Trolls wanted.

[Tony]

CIA-Sponsored Trolls Monitor Internet & Interact With Users to Discredit Factual Information.:ranger:

In July of this year it became apparent through a flood of mainstream media reports that the National Security Agency (NSA) was “desperate to hire new hacking talent to protect the nation’s critical infrastructure” yet the NSA is notorious for its surveillance programs on American digital activity.

David Petraeus, former director of the CIA, said at a summit for In-Q-Tel, that he was speculating on the “internet of things” and that “‘Transformational’ is an overused word, but I do believe it properly applies to these technologies . . . particularly to their effect on clandestine tradecraft.”

Petraeus is seeking to better the CIA’s ability to create online identities for undercover spies. Currently, each internet user has a digital footprint that can trace the movements online to the person on the other end of the screen. Petraeus wants to utilize technology that will essentially erase a digital footprint; erasing all traces of anyone at the whim of the CIA.


More information...http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6f2_1355313666

[markpierre]

Where do I apply?

[DNA]

This is definitely the case, and if you think these folks don't exist here you have another thing coming.

In my opinion the favored manuever to derail a thread is for the operative to act insulted and or outraged over some trivial detail.
I have no idea why but folks are such a sucker for the outrage card or the offended card, everything seems to fall into line at this point.
It is my opinion that 9eagle9 was trying to slap people out of falling for this.
Just my take :whip:

[Cidersomerset]

They are doing the same in the UK, It was on something I saw last night , I'll be back !!


There was a item either on the One Show or News, I had on in the background
it was about recruiting the best computor gamers/hackers to become cyber
security persons....


This is not the item but what they were talking about this I think ? ( I was multi tasking
..LOL..)....

FhVkPCkkCxE

[Tony]

Do you ever worry you are being used as a troll, and didn't know it?

I mean, just jumping on the 'band wagon' about something, when the facts are not totally clear. Though I can see that the 'intelligence' people want trolls, this isn't a very subtle way of going about it.

I once met an SAS soldier who said, :If you want to blow up something...get the milkman to do it for you!"


Yours suspicious of 'myself',
Tony

[Shade]

Call me naive but I just don't see them really giving a sh*t about what goes on in forums like Avalon. I just really don't see it being worth their time or energy to care or interact with us is anything but a rudimentary way.

I find it kind of amusing that people think that its full of operative waiting to derail threads.. I mean seriously... the revelations being discussed are not so threatening to anyone that any agency would need to. I find it paranoid and strangely egotistical. They honestly have totally better things to do.

Oh I know its everyone's favorite conspiracy and excitement to be a shoutin' shill. But when it comes down to it, that in itself is on reason why they don't take what goes on here seriously - because it just isn't the case.

[Tony]

Call me naive but I just don't see them really giving a sh*t about what goes on in forums like Avalon. I just really don't see it being worth their time or energy to care or interact with us is anything but a rudimentary way.

I find it kind of amusing that people think that its full of operative waiting to derail threads.. I mean seriously... the revelations being discussed are not so threatening to anyone that any agency would need to. I find it paranoid and strangely egotistical. They honestly have totally better things to do.

Oh I know its everyone's favorite conspiracy and excitement to be a shoutin' shill. But when it comes down to it, that in itself is on reason why they don't take what goes on here seriously - because it just isn't the case.


Well, it could be that 'they' just want to see if things are chugging along nicely, with people missing the whole point.
History shows us how a word or phrase can be introduced, to excite the natives, and off they go...all by themselves.


Surveillance seems to be the key now days.

[Tarka the Duck]

They've done it in China for years:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The 50 Cent Party are Internet commentators hired by the government of the People's Republic of China (both local and central) or the Communist Party to post comments favourable towards party policies in an attempt to shape and sway public opinion on various Internet message boards The commentators are said to be paid fifty cents for every post that either steers a discussion away from anti-party or sensitive content on domestic websites, bulletin board systems and chatrooms, or that advances the Communist party line.

The term is derogatorily applied by cynical Chinese netizens to any person who blatantly expresses pro Communist party thoughts online.
However, there's another word "5 US cent" used by some pro-party netizens to denigrate anti-party, pro-democracy comments, with the implication that those commentators are hired by the governments of the United States, Taiwan or other "western countries".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[spiritguide]

Trolls, what me worry? Just use your aetheric mirror and reflect their energies onto another troll and watch them mind rape each other. With compartmentalization they themselves don't even know each other. Fear not, they negate themselves in the end. There is a difference between diatribe and dialog and one is BS. IMHO

[soleil]

i would think avalon would be targeted with these trolls....i say lets MOD this place a little harder and catch trolls if spotted.

[DNA]

i would think avalon would be targeted with these trolls....i say lets MOD this place a little harder and catch trolls if spotted.

I would love to hear the thoughts any of the moderators have on this.
I'm pretty sure this has been discussed by these folks at one time or another.
Penny for your thoughts? :wave:

[soleil]

me too. i dont mean it from a standpoint of causing trouble. i just mean it from a standpoint of maintaining integrity (like the application process). :angel:

[Chester]

CIA-Sponsored Trolls Monitor Internet & Interact With Users to Discredit Factual Information.:ranger:

In July of this year it became apparent through a flood of mainstream media reports that the National Security Agency (NSA) was “desperate to hire new hacking talent to protect the nation’s critical infrastructure” yet the NSA is notorious for its surveillance programs on American digital activity.

David Petraeus, former director of the CIA, said at a summit for In-Q-Tel, that he was speculating on the “internet of things” and that “‘Transformational’ is an overused word, but I do believe it properly applies to these technologies . . . particularly to their effect on clandestine tradecraft.”

Petraeus is seeking to better the CIA’s ability to create online identities for undercover spies. Currently, each internet user has a digital footprint that can trace the movements online to the person on the other end of the screen. Petraeus wants to utilize technology that will essentially erase a digital footprint; erasing all traces of anyone at the whim of the CIA.


More information...http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6f2_1355313666

I have thought about this - I have the experience of the story I found on Avalon about two months back regarding an "Op" where people were recruited to post on threads... something related to a pro-Israel effort (thus meme management with a specific agenda).

But that is only one possibility.

There could be folks (I could be one of these) who are well controlled, mind controlled agents for sinister third parties. I have concluded there is the possibility i have one or more physical implants as well as one or more mind implants. I sometimes review my posts and consider they don't come from just "me."

I encountered an interesting fellow who has some pretty interesting credentials - Jim Channon - http://neweartharmy.com/Welcome.html who mentioned in an interview I stumbled upon that we all are "channeling" always.

That thought struck me as interesting in part because I had this thought before and can see the possibility of its potential truth.

If this is indeed the case, we are all trolls and are all always trolling.

I sometimes wonder why I post? Perhaps the most honest of answers is that a.) I get some strange satisfaction and relief by getting things "off my chest" and b.) I like the attention and c.) I actually, really do hope that something I might write helps someone in the way they become a person less about war and more about peace.

Strangely though I notice at times I create controversy which... sometimes leads to "war."

[ulli]

Double checking our motives will give us a clearer idea who we might be trolling for....
A belief system can help.
Here is mine: life is eternal, yet here on earth it is short...nothing more than an hour in a gym or sports arena
Seen in the larger context...
As my German grandmother used to say, 'life is like a ladder in a chicken coop...short and loaded with sh!t.'

[gooty64]

Trolls are very good at planting the seed of doubt in sensitive people.
If 99 people flip the light switch on but the 100th flips it off well you know.....it will be dark in that room.

Also trolls like to to take the flip side of the coin.


Call me naive but I just don't see them really giving a sh*t about what goes on in forums like Avalon. I just really don't see it being worth their time or energy to care or interact with us is anything but a rudimentary way.

I find it kind of amusing that people think that its full of operative waiting to derail threads.. I mean seriously... the revelations being discussed are not so threatening to anyone that any agency would need to. I find it paranoid and strangely egotistical. They honestly have totally better things to do.

Oh I know its everyone's favorite conspiracy and excitement to be a shoutin' shill. But when it comes down to it, that in itself is on reason why they don't take what goes on here seriously - because it just isn't the case.

[ulli]

Trolls are very good at planting the seed of doubt in sensitive people.
If 99 people flip the light switch on but the 100th flips it off well you know.....it will be dark in that room.

Also trolls like to to take the flip side of the coin.



This is important to remember...they might present themselves as waker-uppers,
but the future scenarios they bring to the table are so terrifying that some people are traumatized-
becoming dysfunctional, paranoid, and drop out of society altogether (it happened to me)

Only consciousness-raising and creativity-stimulating posts can be considered 100% trustworthy, IMO.

[mahalall]

Trolls on viewing Avalon,
Aware of their presence since day one!
Perceived more as shirts-
Observe the source of the sensation of being immediately judged
you'll see the tie less ones,
their harshness is cold,

Grateful to the Mods for supporting the fence.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

Active "troll preventions" is not really the mods duty. It falls on each member to be aware, careful of what they write, check their sources, not fall in the classic traps and so on...

In my opinion the mods can only help with enforcing some of the forum rules, but that does not mean that the other forum members are less responsible...

As I've said quite often, I'd like to see the moderation team in a support role only and less and less as "enforcers or rules".

[Wind]

Trolls can be dangerous because there are many gullible people. Of course many of us are able to smell the scent of a troll or a delusional person almost instantly, but professional trolls are a different case. Always take everything with a pinch of a salt and follow your own intuition... Or heart. Educate yourself on many levels and you will start to see that the world isn't as black and white as we have been told.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Puts on my best Troll Hunter costume, strapping a double edge longsword on my back...

Let's Rumble!!!

the net has always been monitored, now it is suddenly important to know everything going on to keep the AI computer fed, now it is able to learn on its own, doesn't need programming.

the Government wants to find out how to hide from a Monster they created... Dorks...

unplug it before it creates it's own robotic defense...

as for trolls, and thread disruptors...

it is the energy we are going through right now, I've watched people rage over nothing lately...

we are going from being bombarded with negative facing magnets to positive...

what does that mean?

I dunno...

we'll know more in a week...

[Carmody]

i would think avalon would be targeted with these trolls....i say lets MOD this place a little harder and catch trolls if spotted.

I would love to hear the thoughts any of the moderators have on this.
I'm pretty sure this has been discussed by these folks at one time or another.
Penny for your thoughts? :wave:

The revelation of any given card or stage/component of a card, should come at a very dear price. And when one speaks of such games, even that is too much of a reveal. You dig?

[Daughter of Time]

Call me naive but I just don't see them really giving a sh*t about what goes on in forums like Avalon. I just really don't see it being worth their time or energy to care or interact with us is anything but a rudimentary way.

I find it kind of amusing that people think that its full of operative waiting to derail threads.. I mean seriously... the revelations being discussed are not so threatening to anyone that any agency would need to. I find it paranoid and strangely egotistical. They honestly have totally better things to do.

Oh I know its everyone's favorite conspiracy and excitement to be a shoutin' shill. But when it comes down to it, that in itself is on reason why they don't take what goes on here seriously - because it just isn't the case.

With all due respect to you Shade for you seem to be a knowledgeable and aware person. I beg to differ from your opinion.

Not every new member of Avalon is as aware as you are. As a matter of fact, a number of new members have expressed their shock at learning certain information here. And even though the information presented here will not harm any government agency, it does make people aware, which is potentially harmful to certain government agencies.

One more aware person can spread the awareness to hundreds of people, who in turn can spread that awareness to thousands of people. As a result, many more people will become aware of things they didn't know before.

If a sensitive person is stung by a troll, they might decide to retire from learning anything new. One person's truncated knowledge can, in turn, potentially, truncate the knowledge of the thousands of people they might have affected. It's a ripple effect.

By keeping the population asleep, their agenda goes on. The more people become aware, the more their plans can potentially weaken.

And when one takes into consideration the billions of dollars that go into certain of their operations, what is a small salary paid to someone to sit in front of a computer and cause trouble on a few websites? It's petty cash, after all, and it does serve a purpose for them.

There is power in numbers.

[Carmody]

Hello,

Active "troll preventions" is not really the mods duty. It falls on each member to be aware, careful of what they write, check their sources, not fall in the classic traps and so on...

In my opinion the mods can only help with enforcing some of the forum rules, but that does not mean that the other forum members are less responsible...

As I've said quite often, I'd like to see the moderation team in a support role only and less and less as "enforcers or rules".

Which is the way it should be done, IMO. If one wants a new world or a different world, then one needs to put even the slightest aspect of a herd response (that may reside within them) on notice that this given internal herd response is being watched for any aspect of foolishness (by the given self that may exhibit it). Individual responsibility, with the group in mind, with the connectivity to both being stable relatively complete, but flexible. Both, not one. No leaders no followers, just individuals working together in a functional norm.

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Call me naive but I just don't see them really giving a sh*t about what goes on in forums like Avalon. I just really don't see it being worth their time or energy to care or interact with us is anything but a rudimentary way.

I find it kind of amusing that people think that its full of operative waiting to derail threads.. I mean seriously... the revelations being discussed are not so threatening to anyone that any agency would need to. I find it paranoid and strangely egotistical. They honestly have totally better things to do.

Oh I know its everyone's favorite conspiracy and excitement to be a shoutin' shill. But when it comes down to it, that in itself is on reason why they don't take what goes on here seriously - because it just isn't the case.

With all due respect to you Shade for you seem to be a knowledgeable and aware person. I beg to differ from your opinion.

Not every new member of Avalon is as aware as you aware. As a matter of fact, a number of new members have expressed their shock at learning certain information here. And even though the information presented here will not harm any government agency, it does make people aware, which is potentially harmful to certain government agencies.

One more aware person can spread the awareness to hundreds of people, who in turn can spread that awareness to thousands of people. As a result, many more people will become aware of things they didn't know before.

If a sensitive person is stung by a troll, they might decide to retire from learning anything new. One person's truncated knowledge can, in turn, potentially, truncate the knowledge of the thousands of people they might have affected. It's a ripple effect.

By keeping the population asleep, their agenda goes on. The more people become aware, the more their plans can potentially weaken.

And when one takes into consideration the billions of dollars that go into certain of their operations, what is a small salary paid to someone to sit in front of a computer and cause trouble on a few websites? It's petty cash, after all, and it does serve a purpose for them.

Yes, buckets hold water.

Very tiny holes can end them.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Call me naive but I just don't see them really giving a sh*t about what goes on in forums like Avalon. I just really don't see it being worth their time or energy to care or interact with us is anything but a rudimentary way.

I find it kind of amusing that people think that its full of operative waiting to derail threads.. I mean seriously... the revelations being discussed are not so threatening to anyone that any agency would need to. I find it paranoid and strangely egotistical. They honestly have totally better things to do.

Oh I know its everyone's favorite conspiracy and excitement to be a shoutin' shill. But when it comes down to it, that in itself is on reason why they don't take what goes on here seriously - because it just isn't the case.

the CIA can't even get the GOP to shut up about Benghazi, and their secret base, that is no longer very secret...

I'm sure since they don't have the ability to even quiet down ex CIA money launderers from exposing them, how would they have the ability to send an army of trolls out to the net for disrupting forums...

I would say other forums are a much bigger danger of sending trolls than any government agency...

think of the important threads...

Free Energy...
Nukes are Safe...
Mind Control killing children...
9/11
GE Engineer explaining how to re-use Nuclear rods to create almost free energy - Saline reactors

the most important topics we are deep in discussions on, no one disrupts...

wouldn't that be what the trolls concentrate on, debunking discussions of Merit?

Trolls wouldn't be sent out to disrupt JFK discussions, that's 50 years old...

UFO debunking, might be one area, but then again talking someone into believing a little light on a Google video is real, doesn't convince anyone, so trolls aren't needed...

[ThePythonicCow]

Aha - I've got it! The next Romanian holding a Galactic Lottery ticket, pretending to be a bovine pineal gland -- he's Out'A Here -- Troll Alert !

... especially if he wears a hat :).

The most effective "trolls" don't usually know they are trolling, just as the most effective carriers of infectious disease haven't noticed they are all that sick yet.

The most effective defenses are similar as well. We help ourselves and each other grow stronger and healthier. We select who lives amongst us, sending those with the poorest mental and spiritual hygiene habits, on their way, but also knowing that certain childhood diseases and playing in the dirt are useful for building our immunity systems, and also choosing to do our little bit to help heal this planet and the life and humanity on it, rather than avoiding all that in a Denatured Underground Medical Base (DUMB?).

The designated community doctors and nurses may spend more time with and gain more technical expertise in some of the useful methods, and may have some tools that others don't have, but the responsibility for our health lies with all of us, not just them, and the care and tending of others is done by whomever happens to notice a way they can help out and chooses to do so.

We also send the drug salesmen and other spokesmen for "conventional" treatments on their way, for though we may still be exploring several alternative therapies, we agree that the bulk of the conventional treatments espoused by the bastards in power are in essence bastardized power trips.

The analogy extends ... the challenges come in many forms, in the air, water and food, in the unseen electromagnetic and esoteric fields around us, in the seemingly helpful tonics and treatments administered to us by well meaning friends, relatives and professionals.

We keep weeding our community garden (and sometimes having to learn afresh just what's weed and what's fruit.) We continue to share the fruits of our labors, and tending to the well being of ourselves and those about us.

The idea that if we could just identify a few of the Kings agents amongst us and give them the toss, then we'd be much better off, or at least have side stepped the biggest risk facing us ... that's a false hope.

(Which isn't to say I wouldn't take some delight in tossing a King's agent, if I found one.)

[ThePythonicCow]

The idea that if we could just identify a few of the Kings agents amongst us and give them the toss, then we'd be much better off, or at least have side stepped the biggest risk facing us ... that's a false hope.
Fortunately a Mr. Smith from the Dept of Homeland Security (DHS) "just happened" to be reading this thread, and has come to our aid. Thanks to some new technology, a Network Google Scanner is being developed that can watch our hidden motives, and detect terrorists trolls before they strike.

This is wonderful news. He is offering to make a prototype of this new instrument available as a special to the Avalon forum, so that we can identify and toss any trolls. He promised me that DHS would not be keeping any record of the scanning results. Soon now I will be able to reliable identify trolls using this new DHS technology and give them the toss.

Miracles will never cease.

[Gardener]

Yes the old ego antipathy hook or 'take offence' card, its important to realise that a forum of this size and quality is most definitly monitored for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is a net or a catchment where they can identify the main players in any area, what they know, and the way they are heading. Then a strategy of derailment, or debunkment whatever fits. Often there is a tag team not as easy to spot. There is an article somewhere about all the methods used to bury a thread or discredit a poster.


This is definitely the case, and if you think these folks don't exist here you have another thing coming.

In my opinion the favored manuever to derail a thread is for the operative to act insulted and or outraged over some trivial detail.
I have no idea why but folks are such a sucker for the outrage card or the offended card, everything seems to fall into line at this point.
It is my opinion that 9eagle9 was trying to slap people out of falling for this.
Just my take :whip:

[Fred Steeves]

Well just don't forget, this is still a free will universe. Always has been, always will be. Once this is realized, it becomes self evident what Jorr had discovered when he began using "All Is Well" to sign off on his posts. Trolls, mind control, propaganda, drugs, etc., can also be employed as per free will, to make it "seem" as though our choices are extremely limited. Well they are anything BUT limited, and trolls can employ their feeble distractions all they please, but those who are informed, and living in their Heart Space, will continue on with their business at hand regardless.

Trolls are typical predators, they can only prey on the weak.

[donk]

(Which isn't to say I wouldn't take some delight in tossing a King's agent, if I found one.)

That sounds to me exactly what a troll would say!!

I want to be the first to point my finger at the witch Trojan Cow :cow:

[foreverfan]

Where do I apply?

My first thoughts too. I guess great minds think alike. LOL

[Gardener]

This one is from http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/11/the-gentlemans-guide-to-forum-disruption/ its not the one I was thinking of but similar....


COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum.

There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a ‘uncontrolled forum.’

Technique #1 – ‘FORUM SLIDING’

If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum – it can be quickly removed from public view by ‘forum sliding.’ In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to ‘age.’ Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a ‘forum slide.’ The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a ‘forum slide’ and ‘flush’ the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then ‘replying’ to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting ‘slides’ down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

Technique #2 – ‘CONSENSUS CRACKING’

A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is ‘consensus cracking.’ To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made – but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger ‘evidence’ or disinformation in your favour is slowly ‘seeded in.’ Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then ‘abort’ the consensus cracking by initiating a ‘forum slide.’

Technique #3 – ‘TOPIC DILUTION’

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a ‘RESOURCE BURN.’ By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a ‘gossip mode.’ In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to ‘drive in the wedge.’ By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

[panopticon]

Call me naive but I just don't see them really giving a sh*t about what goes on in forums like Avalon. I just really don't see it being worth their time or energy to care or interact with us is anything but a rudimentary way.

I find it kind of amusing that people think that its full of operative waiting to derail threads.. I mean seriously... the revelations being discussed are not so threatening to anyone that any agency would need to. I find it paranoid and strangely egotistical. They honestly have totally better things to do.

Oh I know its everyone's favorite conspiracy and excitement to be a shoutin' shill. But when it comes down to it, that in itself is on reason why they don't take what goes on here seriously - because it just isn't the case.

G'day Shade,

There is a long history of infiltration by agents of the State in groups that are classified by the State (and in the present period it could equally be corporate operatives) as being worthy of "watching".

In Australia this got to such a ridiculous level in late 1980/early 1990's Victoria and then re-emerged in the late 90's that the Police were watching church groups (nasty sorts them Grandmothers in Knitting Circles) and that radical left wing group the Council of Single Mothers (http://www.csmc.org.au/). To say that infiltration does not occur shows a lack of understanding of state coercive practices and surveillance as a form of intimidation. Also in the present period there is not just the State to be concerned about but also the various corporations, lobby groups/think tanks (to name just a few) that feel the need to control the way in which various discursive processes are constructed.

This is not paranoia, it is simply a fact.

To quote the Activist Handbook (http://www.activistrights.org.au/handbook/ch01s08.php) (which is funded in part by the Victorian Law Foundation (http://www.victorialawfoundation.org.au)):

Assume that there is surveillance of some type going on if you are an activist. Police have always gathered information by secret means and with advanced technology it is far easier.
Some surveillance of protests is obvious. Members of the police camera unit will stand aside from the action and continually video everything that happens.
Activists should also be aware that police special branches (or the Protective Security Intelligence Group in Victoria) and ASIO (Australian Security Intelligence Organisation) collect information including videos of individuals and groups, mostly from the left, trade unions, human rights campaigners and ethnic communities. Australia and Victoria have a long history of political surveillance and infiltration by police.

This is not only done at demonstrations: it includes monitoring of websites, email lists, social media, meetings, phone taps and physical surveillance outside homes or offices.


Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

For further information on this:
http://www.activistrights.org.au/handbook/ch01s08s02.php
http://www.ombudsman.vic.gov.au/resources/documents/Allegations_raised_concerning_the_activities_of_the_Operations_Intelligence_Unit_-_interim_rep.pdf
http://www.ombudsman.vic.gov.au/resources/documents/Allegations_raised_concerning_the_activities_of_the_Operations_Intelligence_Unit_-_final_report.pdf
http://www.activistrights.org.au/handbook/ch01s08.php
http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/police-spy-on-web-phone-usage-with-no-warrants-20120217-1tegl.html
http://www.theage.com.au/national/police-spying-on-activists-revealed-20081015-51k0.html
http://www.theage.com.au/national/infiltrating-community-groups-has-a-long-history-20081015-51k2.html
http://www.csmc.org.au/
http://www.victorialawfoundation.org.au

[DouglasDanger]

Puts on my best Troll Hunter costume, strapping a double edge longsword on my back...

Let's Rumble!!!

the net has always been monitored, now it is suddenly important to know everything going on to keep the AI computer fed, now it is able to learn on its own, doesn't need programming.

the Government wants to find out how to hide from a Monster they created... Dorks...

unplug it before it creates it's own robotic defense...

as for trolls, and thread disruptors...

it is the energy we are going through right now, I've watched people rage over nothing lately...

we are going from being bombarded with negative facing magnets to positive...

what does that mean?

I dunno...

we'll know more in a week...


Trolls regenerate quickly, you'll need fire on that sword to proper kill one... ;)



Trolls come in all shapes and sizes, not only are they disinfo agents , some people I would consider trolls just because they lurk waiting to be mean and bully'ish. The Jack ass trolls (JAT's) come to claim mental superiority, have little patience , and little regard for others views or feelings, nore are they helpfull enough to at least steer the people they are raging against in the right direction, its funny they also claim to be enlightened humans..
They need to learn, " If you do not have anything nice/productive to say, do not say anything at all."
But I understand the Keyboard warrior ego that so rampantly runs through the internet culture, people are not face to face anymore, the intimadation factor has been removed, people get twice as brave when there is not a risk of being harmed...

[modwiz]

If this is indeed the case, we are all trolls and are all always trolling.



:note: "Don we now our gay apparel fa la la, la la la, la, la, la,
Troll the ancient yuletide carol, fa la la la la, la la, la, la.":note:
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[Dorjezigzag]

There are many agendas on this forum possibly some of them are paid but we are all coming from somewhere, we have our past.

Pie will admit that there is somewhat of a Tibetan Buddhist slant to his postings but none of us would think he is one of the Dalai Lama's secret service, 00 OM,

There are those who would define themselves as Christians, Spiritual scientists, New Agers, Hindus, Sorcerers, Magicians and there posts will reflect that belief, which you could perhaps call a agenda, and in my opinion it is all good as I want to hear all perspectives.

In my real life I have come across quite a few agents in my time from different agencies, one time I had several protecting me because a guy came up to me telling me he was going to kill me, he then went on to kill 3 people that night and he was still on the loose for several days. They were cool guys ( to me anyway) doing a dangerous job. I would think that the kind of field agents I have come across are of a different breed to the new cyber crop.

They can be more related to a propaganda agent, basically the function of a propaganda officer is that they are a herder. They probably will be likable and charismatic because people will only follow someone they like. They will be very much a expert salesman. It is quite likely the most unlikely person is a paid agent, popular with everyone. You don't choose a politician who no one likes if you need to push an agenda

Saying that I can imagine the possibility of creating a character that everyone hates who talks the truth and then everyone is herded away from the truth. He just needs to say I think this and then everyone will automatically think the opposite

But you know what, who knows, we can all have our suspicions, but in the end it is not fair to point the finger unless you have good reason.

I myself welcome all agents I want to hear what they have to say, I don't care how likable or unlikable they are I will asses the information on its substance not the style it is presented.

In my opinion that is what we all need to do, think more as individuals not just run with the herd, we are all responsible for own mind.

[Heartsong]

FYI
Troll (pron. "trawl") before the internet age was defined:

troll v. , trolled , trolling , trolls . v.tr. To fish for by trailing a baited line from behind a slowly moving boat.

[Shade]

G'Day Panopticon, I'm quite aware that surveillance exists, what I was saying is that I don't think it's very active on Avalon. It's active where there is active activism, threatening activism .... here? Not so much.
I experienced it firsthand at a Pine Gap protest, where ASIO agents posing as reporters were taking our pictures during a meditation and all around camp ... and each morning the special forces would sweep the camp site in a line - at sunrise... doing a head count.. making sure they made enough noise to bring us out to get a better count. There was a lot of violence at that protest.

Surveillance exists where political activism is both strong and rife. The level of political risk and activism being inspired and activated here is not even mid range - this place would be low on their radars... that's just how I see it. The people who watch here would quite comfortably report back to base - that there's not much going on here... and that's what I mean. We are not high on their agenda and rarely are. Of course they would keep an eye - they keep an eye on everything, but would they interact on here beyond very simple and prefunctory means? I think no.

[Carmody]

Henrik Vanger:" Uh...Richard was a Nazi of the first order, joining the Nationalist Socialist Freedom League when he was seventeen.

Isn't it interesting how fascists steal the world freedom."

-Stieg Larsson, 'The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo' ("Män som hatar kvinnor")

[Shade]

Trolls are very good at planting the seed of doubt in sensitive people.
If 99 people flip the light switch on but the 100th flips it off well you know.....it will be dark in that room.

Also trolls like to to take the flip side of the coin.


Call me naive but I just don't see them really giving a sh*t about what goes on in forums like Avalon. I just really don't see it being worth their time or energy to care or interact with us is anything but a rudimentary way.

I find it kind of amusing that people think that its full of operative waiting to derail threads.. I mean seriously... the revelations being discussed are not so threatening to anyone that any agency would need to. I find it paranoid and strangely egotistical. They honestly have totally better things to do.

Oh I know its everyone's favorite conspiracy and excitement to be a shoutin' shill. But when it comes down to it, that in itself is on reason why they don't take what goes on here seriously - because it just isn't the case.

You are very much aware here right that I have taken the road and opinion less traveled - the flip side - and my post is what? An example of a troll taking the flip side at work?
People don't all have the same opinion, and that's not what a forum is about: everyone having the same opinion - to then just get paranoid and think that omg someone is having a different opinion and on a thread about trolling at that, then conclude and openly insinuate that therefore they must be a troll... is just well not cool.

Argument are arguments and people have their own minds. A person is responsible for their own mind and decisions. With the presented arguments a person is responsible for making their OWN decisions on what they believe, and having many positions to choose from is not dangerous.

"trolls are very good at planting the seed of doubt in sensitive people"
than pray tell what exactly did you just do in regards to me with your post? (eyebrows raised)
Sometimes I see that people go to say something and it just presents a mirror or statement of their own actions. I am aware that my post here may be taken similarly. However I speak from as much clarity and honesty of soul and mind as I am able, because as I see it, that it educational.

[DeDukshyn]

lol .... ;) ;) ;)

This is all very interesting ... ;) <chuckle chuckle>

[panopticon]

G'Day Panopticon, I'm quite aware that surveillance exists, what I was saying is that I don't think it's very active on Avalon. It's active where there is active activism, threatening activism .... here? Not so much.
I experienced it firsthand at a Pine Gap protest, where ASIO agents posing as reporters were taking our pictures during a meditation and all around camp ... and each morning the special forces would sweep the camp site in a line - at sunrise... doing a head count.. making sure they made enough noise to bring us out to get a better count. There was a lot of violence at that protest.

Surveillance exists where political activism is both strong and rife. The level of political risk and activism being inspired and activated here is not even mid range - this place would be low on their radars... that's just how I see it. The people who watch here would quite comfortably report back to base - that there's not much going on here... and that's what I mean. We are not high on their agenda and rarely are. Of course they would keep an eye - they keep an eye on everything, but would they interact on here beyond very simple and prefunctory means? I think no.

G'day Shade,

I don't disagree with your perspective and have no problem with what you've said.
20 Years ago I would have said exactly the same thing.
Then the FOI on surveillance information in Victoria, with associated investigations and reports, came out and changed all my thinking.

Of course the coercive arm of the State is going to focus on extremist groups (white-power etc), that is a given, but they also pay attention to activist groups who are spreading alternative discourses that start to gain traction in the minds of the general populace. Following the revelations that Victorian undercover Police officers were spying on/had infiltrated such insidious groups as 'The Melbourne Peace Fleet, The Melbourne Rainforest Action Group, Friends Of the Earth, the East Gippsland Coalition, Duck Rescue and Animal Liberation, Greenpeace, the Wilderness Society... Council of Single Mothers, The Australian Conservation Society, Friends of the ABC, Victorian Council for Civil Liberties, Koorie Information Centre, community legal centres, feminist groups, migrant groups, HIV/AIDS and gay activist groups, tenants groups, community radio stations 3CR, 3RRR and 3JJJ, disabled groups and elderly groups' (Source (http://www.activistrights.org.au/handbook/ch01s08s02.php)) I can no longer be sure of anything. That's one of the reasons it is done. It's the essence of panopticism (http://guweb2.gonzaga.edu/faculty/mcreynolds/phil463/informationalism/panopticism.html)... Get individuals to behave by making them think they are being watched, so they watch themselves and be good little citizens.

Take for example the 1989 case (http://www.theage.com.au/national/infiltrating-community-groups-has-a-long-history-20081015-51k2.html) where Victorian State police went undercover at a Fitzroy Gardens Teddy Bear Picnic organised by the Victorian Childcare Action Group...
Yeah, that was a high priority target for infiltration and surveillance!

As an activist I do not fear those who would control me. I fear the uninformed who follow blindly, as lambs to the slaughter, deriding those who say things are not as they seem, all the while quoting verbatim the "self evident truths" they have been taught, without understanding the fate that awaits them nor the foresight to see what will happen to the generations that follow.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[Fred Steeves]

“Ideas are far more powerful than guns. We don't allow our enemies to have guns, why should we allow them to have ideas?”


Joseph Stalin

[PurpleLama]

Pie will admit that there is somewhat of a Tibetan Buddhist slant to his postings but none of us would think he is one of the Dalai Lama's secret service, 00 OM,



That's because he's really good.

[Tony]

Pie will admit that there is somewhat of a Tibetan Buddhist slant to his postings but none of us would think he is one of the Dalai Lama's secret service, 00 OM,



That's because he's really good.





I'm actually one of the Buddha's secret agents....come to think of it, we all are!

[Fred Steeves]

I'm actually one of the Buddha's secret agents....come to think of it, we all are!

Sing it with me. "Tony's a man who leads a life of danger..."


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[Tony]

I'm actually one of the Buddha's secret agents....come to think of it, we all are!

Sing it with me. "Tony's a man who leads a life of danger..."


nGZ0ntpSx2Y




Okay, you got me......I'm a cleaning agent!

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[Chester]

To Shade - I like that you post what might be considered by the majority to be a contrarian POV. (wow, contrarian is not a word in this system's spell check???) Anyways, I like your point where you used Pine Gap as an example.

I would think that "they" might have their eye on the Horus-Ra thread (and related threads) but what do I know.

Anyways, I think the reason "they" monitor situations that have greater potential to be explosive is for the opportunity to make it explode. They seem to love the divide and conquer and the distraction benefits and the general negative energy blasts we "plebes" are so ready to give them... all they need to do is stir the pot or just light the match...

So why monitor relatively benign and relatively civil sites like this when you can monitor where the more easily explosive folks post?

Having said that, I think Avalon is quite provocative actually - we just seem to make our points generally with more civility, yes?

[gooty64]

The other side of the coin.

[markpierre]

They forgot to mention 3 of the criteria for recruitment:

Must have at least two years of experience living under a bridge.
Must be able to out-think a 6 year old.
Must be willing to eat him.
I think that second one stops most of them.