Joseph Lake discuses alien crash site on the moon

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Host Rick Scouler welcomes guest Joseph Lake for a discussion regarding a supposed alien crash site on the moon. NASA pictures taken of the dark side of the moon by Apollo 15 show a huge alien craft dug into the lunar soil, along with what appears to be the remains of some sort of buildings. It has been said that bodies were found in this wreckage, including one female entity that was brought back to Earth, nicknamed Mona Lisa EBE.


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[Bill Ryan]

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This is a fascinating story. Kerry and I traveled to visit Italian researcher Luca Scantamburlo, and he talked about these classified Apollo missions in some detail. He was threatened soon after our visit, and our car was broken into several days after we met with him. (It was ransacked, as if someone was looking for something, but an Apple laptop computer, in plain view, was not taken; neither was anything else.)

Here's just how large the giant, very old, crashed craft is -- over two miles long:

http://ufoforums.co.uk/pimages/cos20071020171152_Apollo20-Spaceship-Scale.jpg

[ghostrider]

I've heard this craft was the one that towed the moon from the orbit of mars to the orbit of earth...

[onawah]

At 11:11 minutes in, there is a closeup of the starship wreck with hieroglyphs, and Lake makes mention of another video, presumably from which that image was taken, as well as an image of the EBE found on board.
I remember when that video first came out some time back.
It ( the EBE in particular ) really creeped me out, and I'm sure I wasn't the only one.
Lake, the interviewee, said that the video was discredited but that the discrediting was the disinfo, not the video itself.
But the whole thing died down pretty fast.
However, Scouler, the interviewer, said the original vids are still online, so I did a google search for "william rutledge, apollo 20" and there are still quite a few of the original vids on youtube.
I find it hard to credit, as Lake asserted, that the EBE could still be even just barely alive after a billion years, which is the estimated age of the craft, but the photos of the craft at least appear genuine.
update:In the written interview that Scantamburlo did with Rutledge that Bill posted below, Rutledge apparently says the ship was estimated to be 1.5 "milliard" years old. Presumably that means 1.5 million, not billion. (Still hard to believe the EBE could still be alive at that age, though...)



I had decided not to see the movie Prometheous because I knew from the previews that it was going to creep me out,
But I went ahead and watched it anyway because it was a Ridley Scott SciFi film, and I don't really want to miss any of those, any more than a Kubrick film.
I have to say, the creeped out feeling I got from Prometheus is very similar to the one I got from the videos showing the EBE, etc. and it makes me wonder afresh what Ridley Scott knows, and if he saw some of these vids when they first came out.
The fact that the alien astronaut in Prometheus turned out to be humanoid instead of one of the Alien monsters is one factor that makes me wonder if he was influenced by the Apollo 20 vids.

Here are some of the still available youtube links:
(starting with what is reportedly actual Apollo footage of the descent)

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links to 2 more videos on that last page (which is part 1)-- and following--parts 2 & 3
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[KiwiElf]

EDIT: See post above - oops - looks like you and me both posted at same time Onawah ;)

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[onawah]

Here's an interview by Luca Scantamburlo of William Rutledge:
http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo20-InterviewWithWilliamRutledge.htm

Bill, did you get footage of your interview of Scantamburlo?

[Bill Ryan]

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The initial Joseph Lake interview in the Opening Post is painful to listen to (slow, and with very little information compared with what is out there).

Here's the best page to visit for a summary. Excuse Luca Scantamburlo's English, which is not perfect -- and neither is his presentation of William Ruttledge's interview.

http://bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_36b.htm




An Ancient Alien Spacecraft On The Backside Of The Moon
An Alien Spaceship On The Moon (http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo20-InterviewWithWilliamRutledge.htm)

Interview With William Rutledge, Member Of The Apollo 20 Crew (http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo20-InterviewWithWilliamRutledge.htm)
According to William Rutledge in August 1976 there was a classified space mission:

the “Apollo 20”, which explored a huge alien spaceship
by Luca Scantamburlo

May 25, 2007
Italian journalist and freelancer
from AngeliSmarriti (http://www.angelismarriti.it/) Website


Written Interview with William Rutledge, an “Apollo 20” astronaut (1976)
Interview carried out by YouTube Account /General Messages
May 25, 2007

A secret joint space mission on the Moon, result of an American-Soviet collaboration taken place in August 1976? Is it possible? Why not, if you consider that the existence of a Federal Agency like NRO (National Reconnaissance Office), and its missions of overhead reconnaissance, “were declassified in September 1992” (according to its official website). And is it really possible that such a collaboration has been prepared to explore a huge alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon?

William Rutledge (according to his story, a man of 76 years old who lives in Rwanda, former of Bell Laboratories and employed by USAF) is the name of the “deep throat” who, since April 2007, has been disclosing information and spreading a lot of video and photographic material on YouTube, about the presumed Apollo 20 space mission.

His user name on YouTube is “retiredafb”, and the most amazing footage he released so far is the presumed flyover of an ancient alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon by the Apollo 15 crew.



The last official space mission to the Moon with crew was the Apollo 17 (NASA), which took place in December 1972, and the Apollo 20 mission was cancelled by NASA in January 1970.

But the presumed footage of Apollo 20 is not the only material which came out in the last weeks: it was also released by William Rutledge a presumed studio for the flyover of the assumed alien spaceship (see below video from YouTube of the so-called Preflight Study for Apollo 20).

And moreover on YouTube we have also several shots of the strange object on the backside of the Moon (whose numbers would be AS20-1020, AS20-1022 and AS20-FWD-7250).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y3X5oucqQe4

According to the YouTube file-card on William Rutledge, who uploaded the controversial footages and shots,
“Apollo 20 went to the moon august 16 1976. Destination was Iszak D, southwest of Delporte Crater, farside of the moon (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/moon_farsidemap.htm). The mission was soviet-american. Crew was William Rutledge CDR, former of bell laboratories, Leona Snyder CSP bell laboratories, and Alexei Leonov, soviet cosmonaut former "Apollo Soyouz" (mission one year earlier).”

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Presumed photo taken by Apollo 20 (1976?) Official NASA photo

Click above image to enlarge (detail of AS15-P-9630), Apollo 15 (1971)

There are a few inconsistencies in William Rutledge’s memories that you can find in reading this interview. It could be comprehensible if you think about an old man (76 years old) who is trying to recall historical facts and events of his life. So, I am not astonished if Rutledge, for instance in talking about the former Russian President Boris Yeltsin who used tanks and troops during the assault to the Parliament building, recalled the years 1995 or 1994 when the exact year of the small civil war was 1993 ([…]
“I went to the Ural in 1995 or 1994, can't recall, responding to an invitation, but it was a mess here, I crossed Moscow when tanks were shooting the Russian parliament” by W. Rutledge, from the answer nr.8 of the interview).
I verified it later on an encyclopedia, but I could not answer before to such a question. I remembered only it occurred at the beginning of the ‘90s.

On the other hand William Rutledge showed me a knowledge of Geology, Chemistry and of space exploration history, using specific terms. For example, he mentioned in the interview a not well-know term: the “feldspathoid", a “mineral consisting of an aluminous silicate that has too little silica to form feldspar” (Webster’s Third New International Dictionary”, Könemann, 1993,pag. 835).

So, I have good grounds for believing William Rutledge’s testimony: first of all there really is (was?) a strange and big object on the far side of the Moon, and its shape is very close to that one showed in the video on YouTube: I am talking about the object visible in a couple of NASA pictures taken by the Apollo 15 mission. The cigar-shaped object looks like leant beside a crater, lightly oblique; and the visible zone in the footage is very similar to the visible region in some originals NASA photos taken by Apollo 15: the Moon region coordinates where there is the unusual object are the following: Latitude: 10° S - Longitude: 117.5° E, Southwest of Delporte and North of Izsak.

I have checked on a Lunar chart: it is on the backside of the Moon (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/moon_farsidemap.htm).



UPDATE

ALIEN SPACESHIP'S COORDINATES ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE MOON

I've done a mistake in providing the Moon region coordinates of the cigar-shaped object: according to the dialogues between the Apollo 20 crew from the LM-15 and the Vandenberg AFB, the exact coordinates of the presumed alien spaceship on the backside of the Moon are the following: Nose: 17.3 deg S, 117.62 deg E ; Cockpit: 17.25 deg S, 117.62 deg E; see below the subtitles of the "ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON flyover bef. landing APOLLO 20", video footage posted on YouTube on May 4, 2007, by William Rutledge (user name: retiredafb).







L. Scantamburlo
June 14, 2007


The official NASA photos are available on the website of the Lunar and Planetary Institute (LPI, in Houston), which is a “research institute that provides support services to NASA and the planetary science community”: the pictures are the AS15-P-9630 and the AS15-P-9625, from the the Apollo Image Atlas.

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AS15-P-9625, Apollo Image Atlas
Courtesy NASA/LPI
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AS15-P-9630, Apollo Image Atlas
Courtesy NASA/LPI

Moreover, it is meaningful that the links were provided by William Rutledge (how did he know the details of those panoramic picture?).

A second reason, in my opinion, is that William Rutledge is not gaining money from doing that. A third reason is the detailed story he told me in the following interview, full of technical and other specific aspects coherent among them. There are just some incomplete biographical notes about the famous NASA astronauts. But he answered kindly to every single question I have put to him, without hesitation, and he provided several names of the presumed American and Soviet people involved in that classified space mission. Some of them are still alive. It could be interesting to be able having a comment from them.

The fourth reason is the quality of the footages on YouTube, which seem consistent with a shot equipment available during the ‘70s and the first ‘80s. I asked to an expert in shot, an Italian friend of mine whose name initials are F.D.

His comment about the footage spread by William Rutledge was the following:
“[…] the overexposed light points and the relative trail show all the features of the TV cameras faults based on VIDICON-type tube. The ‘trail’ is composed of a persistence of the video signal inside the tube. […] In spite this one is an obsolete TV shot system, today the Hamamatsu firm (www.hamamatsu.com (http://www.hamamatsu.com/)) makes infrared VIDICON cameras.”
And, as a matter of fact, among the several different varieties of photographic equipment aboard the Apollo 17, there was a Westinghouse color TV camera, which could used in the command module, handheld or bracket-mounted. It is almost obvious thinking to a similar camera equipment for the presumed Apollo 20 (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/expmoon/Apollo17/A17_Photography_cameras.html), taken place in 1976 according to William Rutledge.


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The Space Shuttle Launch Sites and the Vandenberg Air Force Base, in California
Courtesy NASA

In any case, the public will be the first judge of this story, which could become in the near future the definitive proof that we are not alone in the Universe.

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ZOOM-AS15-P-9625.jpg – NASA, Apollo 15

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Analysis using the Gimp Software- by L. Scantamburlo

[Bill Ryan]

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FOREWORD FOR THE READERS

In the following interview granted by William Rutledge who lives now in Africa, I have corrected (where I could) the orthographical mistakes that there were in the answers (e.g. I put the right capital letters and the right apostrophes), but I did not change the syntactical construction of the sentences made by William Rutledge. Where I was not able to understand his words, I put some dots between square brackets.

W. Rutledge told me he is now an old man with some problems to the his articulations; moreover, William explained to me that he’s always nervous when he writes. That’s why on YouTube you can find some mistakes in his comments (user name: retiredafb) posted with the footages.

Anyway, here you are some words written by him for the foreword to the following interview:
“I don’t use English since 1990 but Kinyarwanda and French, and I write quickly, sometimes letters are missing because I’m busy writing the next one, or it is another on the keyboard which is used, but that’s a detail…”


L.S. First of all I want to thank you for your time and availability. It means a lot for me and, I guess, for all the people around the world, very curious about what it is going on YouTube after the release of your amazing video footages and information on the presumed “Apollo 20” space mission. Now we can begin our interview. Because of my professional activity, I will start from a skeptical point of view. So please, I kindly ask you to understand it. You will have the space to answer and for explaining your reasons.

What is your name? How old are you and are you an American citizen? Sometimes your written English contains some orthographical mistakes… Are you forgetting your language rules (e.g., you wrote “maicroscope” instead of “microscope”)? Somebody on the Web said you do not seem (considering your writings) an American-English native land…

W.R. I'm not offended, I like to answer to skeptics, you cannot imagine what kind of messages I receive. That’s my name, William Rutledge, no Standford Rutledge, it's another one. Born in 1930 in Belgium, American citizen, I know about mistakes, I'm writing too fast with arthrose problems and I'm always nervous when I'm writing, it's like trying to contain a flow of water. I'm not accustomed to speak in English anymore since 1990. I have learned Kinyarwanda and use French, sometimes German because Rwanda is a former Belgium-German colony.


L.S. How long have you been living in Rwanda and why did you move over there?

W.R. It's a woman who brought me to Rwanda, maybe I was searching for somebody like one person who shared my life before. Personally speaking, I have always been sensible to Africa born women. (Buzz Aldrin was also sensible, he was the only astronaut participating in a walk after martin Luther King's death, it’s not a well known story). I established myself with a new identity in Kigali in 1990, streets have no names here. I stayed in Nyiamirambo quarter till 1994, war pushed me to the north west of the country, near the Congo Kinshasa frontier. Rwandan authorities do not know my past, my friends do.


L.S. Can you tell me anything about your life? Where are you from? Where did you study ?

W.R. I've written on this on my others answers, Avro, Chance Vought, just consider that USAF uses every person who can bring skills, white, black, woman, every citizen. It was different with NASA, all astronauts were West Point students, only Alan Bean was an artist, Armstrong was a philosopher and Aldrin a spiritual man.


L.S. How did you become an astronaut with NASA (I suppose) in the ‘70s?

W.R. NASA didn't employ me, USAF did, I had worked on the study of foreign technology, RUSSIAN only, study about the N1 project, AJAX plane project and the Mig Foxbat 25. I had some skills for using computer navigation and was a volunteer for the MOL-Gemini project. USAF recalled that, I have been chosen later for Apollo 20 because I was one of the rare pilot who didn't believe in God (it has changed since 1990) but it was a criterion in 1976. It was not the status of the NASA astronauts. Not believing in God made the difference. That's all.


L.S. Can you prove who you are with some photos or documents of yours, taken during the training by NASA or even before, during your work at the Bell Laboratories? Can you send them to me as attachments, for a publication?

W.R. Yes, I will put them online, but I will focus on Leonov, to end hoax controversy.


L.S. When and above all why did you decide to disclose these information about classified space missions and is there anybody who is protecting you?

W.R. It's the announcement of "the wonder of it all" maybe, and 2012 is coming fast (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_2012.htm). I also think that UFOs will appear more often starting from September 2007. A lot of people died around me in Rwanda, and I have more time to take care of this. About protection, please understand it's hard to speak of my armory.


L.S. After the “Apollo 20” mission, taken place in August 1976 according to the information you have provided, what did you do and when did you leave the U.S.A.?

W.R. After Apollo 20, several things happened, I was not aware of how the material collected would be used. I thought Space Shuttle was a bad idea, I’ve worked on the KH 11 project before retiring.


L.S. In your writings provided on YouTube you mentioned the members of the “Apollo 20” crew: among them there is the former Soviet cosmonaut, Alexei Leonov. I remember he is still alive. Does he know what you are doing on the Web? Did you talk with him before April 2007 and if the answer is no, aren’t you afraid about what he could do or tell?

W.R. Leonov is not aware of all this, I cannot contact him, contacts were completely lost in 1982-1984, I went to the Ural in 1995 or 1994, can't recall, responding to an invitation, but it was a mess here, I crossed Moscow when tanks were shooting the Russian parliament. Cant' imagine his reaction. If he discovers the videos without preparation, he can confirm or leave at once. If he is warned, and prepared, he can deny.


L.S. A question about the dialogues subtitles on the “spaceship footage”: did you make them or did somebody else make them? There are some mistakes (e.g., the personal pronoun is “I”, with the capital letter, not “i” as there is written). What about the original dialogues? Were there in the footage? Did you have problems with the codecs during the transfer?

W.R. Yes, plenty of problems, subtitles are made just before transfer, I have to work with the distance, I'll be back in Rwanda in July. I asked to put the flyover very quickly, they made the subtitles in one hour, buried instead of burried, aperture to 1.8 is not at the right place, there are mistakes but is does not shock me. The Apollo 11 mention at the beginning of the film surprised me, it is on the original film, one internaut signaled that to me. The films are not the first generation, some of them were copied in 1982 I'm sure of this, some have a blue background from the end of the 70's.


L.S. There are in the dialogues between the astronauts and the Mission Control, some expressions that I do not understand: for instance, “CSM”, “DSKY” and “Vandenberg Twenty”. I could think that “DSKY” is about the position on the Moon (close to the Izsak crater) and that the “Vandenberg Twenty” is about the Mission Control, located by the Vandeberg Air Force Base, in California. Can you explain them?

W.R. CSM is Command Service Module, DSKY was the computer "display keyboard", we used many acronyms. AGC is Apollo Guidance Computer, same that DSKY, but located in the Apollo spacecraft and coupled with a telescope ( […] on the LM).

In some videos, the first image you see is the DSKY panel with lines prog indicates the program running verb and noun verb indicates what the DSKY has to do and show. Before filming I had to enter verb 15 (display MET, mission elapsed time, or hours minutes seconds since lift-off, then noun 65 for displaying on there rows, hours on the first line minutes on the second, and seconds/tens of seconds on the third line). Then in every movie we put the date on the beginning of the shot, MET, Mission Elapsed Time, hours since lift-off. In the flyover movie, the computer indicates 144 hours if I remember.

Capcom (CC) is the function of the unique officer charged of transmission to astronauts. He gathers all information and transmit them to the astronauts, news from the ground, instructions for the corrections, wake up calls, three persons relay.

The syntax was "Vandenberg" calling Vandenberg next "twenty" a call from twenty. Inverted when starting from Earth: Capcom-Twenty or sometimes EEcom-Twenty Guido - Twenty when we had a special work to do, docking, correction. When undocking was made the communications were different. Vandenberg Constellation (name of the Apollo spacecraft); Vandenberg Phoenix (name of the LM). The Apollo 19 Apollo spacecraft was Endymion and Artemis was the Lunar Module name.


L.S. I would like to know something more about the preparation of the “Apollo 20” mission. From where and when the Saturn rocket was launched and how many people were involved in that classified mission. Can you do some names?

W.R. 300 people were involved on the preparation, but more other witnesses in Vandenberg. It was launched from this AFB. More witnesses, yes, many people saw departures in the sky, cameras were forbidden all around the Vandenberg site, but today a lot of Space spotters film every launch of Delta rockets, from towns. Other people saw this launch but not knowing it was a Saturn 5. One internaut viewing the launch video says this launch is a Saturn 1B. If today, with all available information, somebody makes such a mistake, you can image how it was in 1976. The preparation was long, subject of cancellations, new starts. Russians had the first information since 1966, I don't know what was their source.


L.S. Can you tell me anything about the Russian collaboration to “Apollo 20”?

W.R. James Chipman Fletcher for USA and Valentin Alexeiev for Russia, Werner Von Braun was one of the happy viewer. Capcom were Charles Peter Conrad and James Irwin.


L.S. Tell me something about the “Apollo 18” and the “Apollo 19” missions; specially about the last one and its failure. Was it a classified mission with the same goal of the “Apollo 20”? Tell me about your ex girlfriend, Stephanie Ellis, “first American woman in Space” according to what you wrote to me in a former letter. The official space history does not include her as astronaut…

W.R. Apollo 18 was the Apollo-Soyuz project, the honeymoon before a moon landing mission, it was presented as a simple "shaking hands" mission in 1975. Apollo 19 and 20 were hazardous missions. On long duration flight the helium pressure was too high on the LEM, a security disk had to burst if pressure was going high, but motor was unusable after. So it was changed on Apollo 19 and 20, but not tested in Space before. It was ok, but… in the paper. However, we got no problem with it. It was a long mission, 7 days scheduled on the Moon, every ray of light was used till ascent.

Apollo 19 had a loss of telemetry, a brutal end of mission without data. Now the truth is unknown but it seems that it was a natural phenomenon, a collision with a "quasi-satellite", like Cruithne, or a meteor (the probability is higher I think). The goal was the same, the landing site was the same, the exploration program was different, they had a big job to do with the rover, exploring the roof of the ship by climbing on the "Monaco hill", (I'll have to put a lunar map online). NO American astronaut is listed, I discovered since may that many people find many William Rultledge in NASA. I can be found in the list of the Test pilots of Chance Vought, on the consultant list of the James Forrestal Center, I was involved in fluid mechanics. My boss was Bogdanoff (nothing in common with the Bogdanoff scientists).

Stephanie Ellis was born in Abidjan (Ivory Coast) in 1946, arrived in America at the age of 7 months. She was a LM specialist, she worked with Grumman Bethpage for new implementations on the navigation system of the LM (Note that LM15 was officially destructed by Grumman). She contributed to debug the Luminary program, who was never bug free. Apollo 19 and 20 had serious problems with docking and rendezvous. Her technical knowledge was as deep as Roger Chaffee. She was a wonderful and funny person. I have some pictures of her in the LEM and Ingress 16 mm footage. I'll not show the other members of the crew.

Russian collaborations: I don't know how, but Russian were informed of the presence of a ship on the far side. Luna 15 in July 1969 crashed just at the South of the nose of the ship. It was a probe similar to Ranger or Lunar Orbiter. They provided maps, precise charts of this area. The center of decision was located in the Ural, in the town of Sverdlovsk. The chief of the program was professor Valentin Alekseiev, who became later president of the academy of science in Ural. Leonov was chosen because of his popularity in the communist leading staff, and secondary only because he was on Apollo-Soyuz. In 1994, I met again Valentin Alekseiev in Ural, Yekaterinburg, and he had a model of the spaceship made of malachite with incrustations of gold on his desk.

I could tell you 100 stories about how Russians wanted to impress us. For example, when I came to the Academy of the Ural for the first time, my feet sticked on the ground, they had put varnish on the floor, not dried, for showing us new offices, they did all this "the Russian way", quickly, with quantity, not completely ready.


L.S. Is there anybody in U.S.A., Russia or in Europe that can confirm your story? And are you not afraid that somebody can threaten your friends or relatives?

W.R. In USA, honestly I don't know who is living now. Conrad died a strange way I think, his death was awful. Irwin is dead, von Braun also I think. James Fletcher. Leona Marietta Snyder is alive and communicates and support me in this job. In Russia, Valentin Alekseiev, and Alexei Leonov. Leonov is retired, I'm not sure of this but his health is a problem.

About security, no problem as far I live in Rwanda, I only have problem now in Europe, my family is dead. I went to Rwanda in 1990, and stayed during 3 wars, the April-July 1994 were the worst years of my life, but I have now true friends in the Tootsie community and Government. (I'm not known in Rwanda as William Rutledge and American citizen, I have a whole new life).

I kept my moon flag, beta cloth name, and moon al7b equipment with original dust.


L.S. What did you know about the unofficial Warwick Research Institute Report on the “Public Acclimation Program”, released in 1992 to the MUFON?

W.R. I have no knowledge of this report, 1992 was a very hard year for me, I was disconnected from all this, can you give me a link?

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Frames from the “Apollo 20 flyover” on a presumed alien spaceship, on the backside of the Moon

L.S. Now we can discuss the ancient “alien spaceship” and “the City” on the farside of the Moon. Did you go inside the spaceship? How big was it and what did you find inside?

W.R. We went inside the big spaceship, also into a triangular one. The major parts of the exploration was; it was a mother ship, very old, who crossed the universe at least milliard of years ago (1.5 estimated). There were many signs of biology inside, old remains of a vegetation in a "motor" section, special triangular rocks who emitted "tears" of a yellow liquid which has some special medical properties, and of course signs of extra solar creatures. We found remains of little bodies (10cm) living in a network of glass tubes all along the ship, but the major discovery was two bodies, one intact.


L.S. Did you visit “the City” on the Moon? Where was it? Did you understand if was there a connection with the Space ship? Are “the City” and “the Ship” still there?

W.R. The "City" was named on Earth and scheduled as station one, but it appeared to be a real space garbage, full of scrap, gold parts, only one construction seemed intact (we named it the Cathedral ). We made shots of pieces of metal, of every part wearing calligraphy, exposed to the sun. The "City" seem to be as old as the ship, but it is a very tiny part. On the rover video, the telephotolens make the artifacts greater.


L.S. What about the “Mona Lisa EBE”? [the correct Italian name is “Monna Lisa”] How does she look like and where was she at that time, when you found out her on the Moon. Where do you think she is now?

W.R. Mona Lisa – I don’t remember who named the girl, Leonov or me - was the intact EBE. Humanoid, female, 1.65 meter. Genitalized, haired, six fingers (we guess that mathematics are based on a dozen). Function; pilot, piloting device fixed to fingers and eyes, no clothes, we had to cut two cables connected to the nose. No nostril. Leonov unfixed the eyes device (you'll see that in the video). concretions of blood or bio liquid erupted and froze from the mouth, nose, eyes and some parts of the body. Some parts of the body were in unusual good condition, (hair) and the skin was protected by a thin transparent protection layer. As we told to mission control, condition seemed not dead not alive. We had no medical background or experience, but Leonov and I used a test, we fixed our bio equipment on the EBE, and telemetry received by surgeon (Mission Control meds) was positive. That’s another story. Some parts could be unbelievable now, I prefer tell the whole story when other videos will be online. This experience has been filmed in the LM. We found a second body, destroyed, we brought the head on board. Color of the skin was blue gray, a pastel blue. Skin had some strange details above the eyes and the front, a strap around the head, wearing no inscription. The "cockpit" was full of calligraphy and formed of long semi hexagonal tubes. She is on Earth and she is not dead, but I prefer to post other videos before telling what happened after.


L.S. Were you able to understand the origin of the spacecraft and how old was it?

W.R. The age was estimated to 1.5 milliards of years, it was confirmed during exploration, we found ejections from the original crust, anorthosite, spirals in feldspathoids, coming from the impact which formed Izsak D. The density of meteor impacts on the ship validated the age, also little white impacts on the Monaco hill at the West of the ship...


(20-21) L.S. Can you give me the technical details for every material you disclosed on YouTube? I mean, can you distinguish among the TV transmissions from the Lunar rover and the camera footages, during the flyovers? I would need to know the details of shooting for every video you spread on the Web. What is the meaning of the strange numbers visible on the videos, which sometimes slowly stream over the frames, in the flyover of the Moon?

W.R. I have answered so much time on this, especially to a ESA astronaut. The transfer was in made in Rwanda, […] with codec and sound recuperation is not good, but it becomes better. The subtitles are not genuine, but put on the videos after transfer. I asked to remove the voices sometimes to protect one person from mission control.

We used three video cameras in Apollo, one on the rover, called GTCA, it is not the name of a company (a commenter made a mistake on this) but a Westinghouse color camera. All three color cameras has a color wheel who produced a time frame delay when transmitting to the earth. I think it could be possible for a company to restore a good TV picture. The CSM camera had a black and white monitor, and produced stable pictures, sharp because focusing was visible on the monitor. The LM camera had a glass visor. The CSM camera was used one time on the AGC Visor, using the coordinates I've transmitted during the flyover video.

The Flyover video was made in zero gravity. I was located on the left window, attitude horizontal, legs around the hammock, lens on the polycarbonate glass. The cameras had a Vidicon tube sensible with light, a large quantity of light, or changing the diaphragms put dropouts during transmission. The markings, numbers are used to perform a good landing. During program 64, when […] in almost in vertical attitude, we had to put the "60" number on the landing site and hold it on the target minutes before landing. These marks are on the both […] windows, you can verify it on a NASA site. Please verify on a genuine NASA site, (I got a flame by somebody who verified on the Apollo 13 movie) the markings had a special angle inclination. If you check it, you'll have an idea of my precise position during this sequence.



L.S. How did you get years ago the copies of the footages of the mission?

W.R. About the footages […] one day, someone I know told me he was charged to maintain security around a container. A building had to be destroyed, and archives had to be burn by a plasma torch. The nuclear power plant didn’t deliver energy at the right price, so the container was plenty of interest things during some days. As human is naturally curious, people charged of security went inside… My friend took video films, a couple of 16 mm plates, boxes of B/W paper, two enlargers… He contacted me for selling the unused paper, and that’s how I discovered the other things. I’ve already seen some picture before, 11*16 pictures were violet/blue, old RC photographies, I watched the tapes, it was not a business affair, I put them in security, the only important thing for me were the BW sheets of paper. It was 15 years ago.


L.S. Have you ever met Clark McClelland, former NASA engineer who lost his job years ago because of what he discovered at the KSC (I suppose alien bodies or alien objects from the Space)?

W.R. But you can give me the links. Documents can be at KSC, but no bodies or alien craft I think.


L.S. You mentioned in a former letter Christopher Moellers and McSorley. Who are they?

W.R. Chris Moellers is the website officer on Oceans NASA site (http://oceancolor.gsfc.nasa.gov/); McSorley also. Annette Moore is 508 Coordinator. I only have mail exchange with Johnson Space Center for the moment. There is a moment of panic I think since May 18. Check 508 coordinator NASA on a search engine. Statement 508 is the way of pushing NASA to declassify material. I expected a reaction.

Luca >>> it is a part of my strategy, NASA has the right to block me if I download unauthorized information. If they explain why they block me, they recognize that the videos can be obtained from them. If I sue them for violation of Statement 508, they will be forced to prove I downloaded unauthorized material , and it's not the case, I never go on a NASA site.

Since May 18, I have not a precise answer, I have to wait for a decision from the headquarters.

Even as Italian citizen, you have the right to ask for material from a federal agency like NASA, see 508 Statement: http://www.section508.nasa.gov/ (http://www.section508.nasa.gov/)


(25-26) L.S. Aren’t you afraid of the U.S. Government’s reaction and why did you talk about the date of September 2007, when NASA and USAF (according to you) “will be forced to tell the whole story before September 2007” What does it mean and Who is your “deep throat”? In another recent your communication to me, you talked about the “2012” year. You said: “In 2012, the weakers will die, and governments preserve the only bit of their heritage […] everybody has to be prepared for 2012 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_2012.htm)”. Is there any connection with the “Planet X” return (the ancient Nibiru (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_hercolobus.htm), adored by the Sumerians in Mesopotamia) ? What did you know about it?

25 - W.R. I'm the deep throat. What can NASA USAF do now? Blocking or suing me would be an acknowledgement. They can speak of hoax or fiction. I'm just afraid they could open a site or another account with my name or putting almost perfect false videos with voluntary errors to disinform. Fortunately, bureaucracy and time works for me. It's a race.

That's why the idea of putting the Leonov files is a good idea, no controversy anymore, there are no Leonov footage, no videos of this period of Leonov in a LM or on a USA USAF base. It is unthinkable related to the official version .

26 - W.R. I am a passionate of the Sumerian period, of the Genesis as related by Sumerian. They clearly explain how gods created man. But I have no indications on Sumerian cosmogony, send me some links.

There is a question you didn't ask for and I'm always surprised that nobody does. This could be your question 27 - why is it necessary to hide UFOs, why disinformation, why putting all this under the carpet? It's question of economics. All currencies on Earth are based on the value of gold. Not many citizens know that but gold is an extraterrestrial metal coming from the death of a star. When a star is dying, its mass is growing, atoms are compressed and when the star explodes, it spreads large amounts of gold in young solar systems. That's why gold is not a mineral to treat but a perfect, carbon free metal. This mean that it is the most common substance in the universe, no more value than a piece of plastic.

That's enough to put down all world currencies. Imagine also that an EBE says: "coffee has a good taste, rare in this galaxy", the only perspective of trading coffee through universe would displace the economic power to countries of the South in one day. You see, not a problem of panic, but simply a problem of economy.

William Rutledge

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Mojo & Bill I have seen the pictures and vid before, probably on here.
Not sure what to make of it.If those NASA photos are genuine it deffinately
does not look natural, but an artificial object.

The mummified alien female is not so convincing.I don't know why they would
have examined her on the craft.I would have thought they would have kept
her as found until they returned to earth,especially dismantling the apparatus
on her face in such cramped conditions ?

It did remind me of Andies mummies....

http://popular-archaeology.com/image/116152/ancient-mummy-shows-person-had-lung-infection-at-time-of-death?max_width=250&max_height=1000&q=70


http://www.lifeinthefastlane.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/inca_mummy_ladoncella_1csfw.jpg



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Uploaded on 26 Dec 2011


Luca Scantamburlo, an Italian UFO researcher, has published online an interview he conducted with a whistleblower claiming to be a former astronaut on a secret mission flown by NASA and the Air Force Space Command to the moon in August, 1976. The alleged mission was titled Apollo 20 and was a joint US and Soviet mission that followed by just over a year the joint Apollo-Soyuz 1975 mission. The Apollo 20 mission filmed the dark side of the moon where a very large extraterrestrial vehicle appeared to lie wrecked on the moon's surface. This 'wreckage' was first captured on film by Apollo 15 in 1971 which shows a moon panorama with what appears to be a large elliptical object on the moon's surface in an official NASA photo.

[onawah]

Rutledge said that the EBE was still alive and on Earth at the time of the interview, and that he would reveal more later about that.
Does anyone know if that ever happened?
That's a great interview, Cidersomerset, though it takes some concentration to understand what is being said. Thanks!

[ThePythonicCow]

All currencies on Earth are based on the value of gold. Not many citizens know that but gold is an extraterrestrial metal coming from the death of a star. When a star is dying, its mass is growing, atoms are compressed and when the star explodes, it spreads large amounts of gold in young solar systems. That's why gold is not a mineral to treat but a perfect, carbon free metal. This mean that it is the most common substance in the universe, no more value than a piece of plastic.
This bit got me to thinking about something, but it's rather off the topic of this thread, so I started a new thread: Is gold precious? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53232-Is-gold-precious)

[mosquito]

....Rutledge apparently says the ship was estimated to be 1.5 "milliard" years old. Presumably that means 1.5 million, not billion.....

a milliard is 1,000,000,000, known in America as a billion. A European billion is 1 million million

[onawah]

Here is the Project Camelot interview with Luca Scantamburlo:
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(I hope it's not a problem to post it here, though it's mostly off topic.)
Part 1 is mostly about the Catholic Church's secret space program and the Miracle of Fatima
Part 2 is more about a Jesuit Vatican insider whistleblower and Nibiru.

But it looks like there's more on Scantamburlo's site about the Apollo missions here:
http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/home-ENG.htm

[onawah]

More here from Scantamburlo about the Apollo 20 mission:
http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo19CDR-interview.htm

This is a quote from that site:

. The spacecraft was speculated to be roughly 1.5 million years old, although he was not allowed access to that exact information. The ship was badly decayed from meteor impacts and the ancient crash. The ship was cigar shaped, and massive, the section was roughly 1 mile. Evidence suggested it been explored before us. No alien remains were found. 300kg of artifacts were stripped and brought back. My father described what he called "strange hieroglyphs and markings" covering what was assumed to be the the "cockpit" of the craft.

But this was more like second hand information, so it can't really be considered conclusive as to the age of the craft on the dark side of the Moon.

[lookbeyond]

Thanks Mojo & Bill I have seen the pictures and vid before, probably on here.
Not sure what to make of it.If those NASA photos are genuine it deffinately
does not look natural, but an artificial object.

The mummified alien female is not so convincing.I don't know why they would
have examined her on the craft.I would have thought they would have kept
her as found until they returned to earth,especially dismantling the apparatus
on her face in such cramped conditions ?

It did remind me of Andies mummies....

http://popular-archaeology.com/image/116152/ancient-mummy-shows-person-had-lung-infection-at-time-of-death?max_width=250&max_height=1000&q=70


http://www.lifeinthefastlane.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/inca_mummy_ladoncella_1csfw.jpg



RrE0K23fVmU

Uploaded on 26 Dec 2011


Luca Scantamburlo, an Italian UFO researcher, has published online an interview he conducted with a whistleblower claiming to be a former astronaut on a secret mission flown by NASA and the Air Force Space Command to the moon in August, 1976. The alleged mission was titled Apollo 20 and was a joint US and Soviet mission that followed by just over a year the joint Apollo-Soyuz 1975 mission. The Apollo 20 mission filmed the dark side of the moon where a very large extraterrestrial vehicle appeared to lie wrecked on the moon's surface. This 'wreckage' was first captured on film by Apollo 15 in 1971 which shows a moon panorama with what appears to be a large elliptical object on the moon's surface in an official NASA photo.

Yes and i wouldnt have thought they would touch Mona Lisa with bare hands either (ie no examination gloves)

[Star Tsar]

Awesome thread!

[deridan]

retiredafb....., does the youtube account still exist in full,.. couldn't find a website linked to him. googling this reveals peps speaking about an original 13videos which went down to 10.

there is a world of questions around the 'city', the entry in the ship (little creatures living in the tubing), a question of atmosphere in the ship,(are there pics about the plant life,,,, how would that area of the ship be designated 'the motor area') ...how was entry gained. how was the female astronaut transported to the lunar module... the other dismembered EBE (humanoid?),
a world of questions, which if not answered in all the videos, would have to be answered from the indetail reconstruction from those there

also with this craft that many times the size of the Queen Mary II, ..what are the size of the compartments, indeed probably impossible to explore in such a limited time,
unless one takes a theme from the movie Prometheus, detectors, but in 70's technology? (..other ridicules themes from the movie, is that the Alien movie aliens are biological weapons creations probably from the humanoid aliens, but why worry if one has mega weapons capable of blowing up a planet, and why worry to destroy all the seedings of your younger kin)

[Kristin]

At 11:11 minutes in, there is a closeup of the starship wreck with hieroglyphs, and Lake makes mention of another video, presumably from which that image was taken, as well as an image of the EBE found on board.
I remember when that video first came out some time back.
It ( the EBE in particular ) really creeped me out, and I'm sure I wasn't the only one.
Lake, the interviewee, said that the video was discredited but that the discrediting was the disinfo, not the video itself.
But the whole thing died down pretty fast.
However, Scouler, the interviewer, said the original vids are still online, so I did a google search for "william rutledge, apollo 20" and there are still quite a few of the original vids on youtube.
I find it hard to credit, as Lake asserted, that the EBE could still be even just barely alive after a billion years, which is the estimated age of the craft, but the photos of the craft at least appear genuine.
update:In the written interview that Scantamburlo did with Rutledge that Bill posted below, Rutledge apparently says the ship was estimated to be 1.5 "milliard" years old. Presumably that means 1.5 million, not billion. (Still hard to believe the EBE could still be alive at that age, though...)



I had decided not to see the movie Prometheous because I knew from the previews that it was going to creep me out,
But I went ahead and watched it anyway because it was a Ridley Scott SciFi film, and I don't really want to miss any of those, any more than a Kubrick film.
I have to say, the creeped out feeling I got from Prometheus is very similar to the one I got from the videos showing the EBE, etc. and it makes me wonder afresh what Ridley Scott knows, and if he saw some of these vids when they first came out.
The fact that the alien astronaut in Prometheus turned out to be humanoid instead of one of the Alien monsters is one factor that makes me wonder if he was influenced by the Apollo 20 vids.

Here are some of the still available youtube links:
(starting with what is reportedly actual Apollo footage of the descent)

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Wow, none of these videos look real to me. It looks a lot like chicken bones and clay on the EBE, I can even see sculpting marks... everywhere including the skin. I'm finding the close ups to look as though it's a hand held close up of a volcanic rock... not a surface of a moon... From the videos, this looks very NOT real to me personally. The written interview is interesting, but I'm a bit confused by the rest. Thank you for posting them. Very strange.
From the Heart,
Kristin

[onawah]

When these videos first came out, I thought the ship looked real, and there have been enough people who have testified that those photos of the ship really were (and perhaps still are, though I'd say that's doubtful) on the NASA site, though perhaps not the closeups.
If you listen to the interviews, someone (I forget who) said the vids of the city were fake, but there actually were ruins of a sort there, though it was more of a dump, apparently, than an actual settlement.
As for the EBE, I thought it was fake at first, but I'm not so sure now.
It's hard to imagine what a body on life support would look like after that long, and Rutledge said that it was covered with some kind of transparent film, which could have altered the appearance also.
I think the info sources look pretty good.
Rutledge didn't go to great lengths to hide his whereabouts in Africa, so of course the question remains, was he tracked down by TPTB after all this first came out, or is he he still alive and willing to give more detailed info?
With a huge story like this, there should be other insiders who could provide corroboration if it's true and they can be located.
It would seem Rutledge may still be the key to further revelations, though...

[ghostrider]

The EBE confirms my belief, dark skin, dark hair, and most likely dark eyes, the three original human races indigenous to earth. three quarters of earth shares this trait, eskimos, indians, asians, mexicans, italians, musilims, spanish, africans, hebrews, philipino's, the star familiy arrives and blonde hair , blue eyes are mixed in . My guess is this EBE is one of the original races of LYRA, that came to earth a long , long , time ago . the star family from the Lyra constellation looks mighty close to egyptians. Following the ptb and their version of history the only thing that should be on earth is dark skin, dark hair, dark eyes. unless we have been tampered with. I love the writing of ancient Lyra, I wish someone could translate what was written on the post it notes all over the ship. We would learn so much about what happend, what was the purpose ? someone with that technology to build that big of a ship only to connect to it and lay down and basically go between alive and not alive, and just wait ... freaky.

[kanishk]

Additional video of Mona Lisa uploaded on December 2011
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