FABIAN SOCIALIST Aussie PM gains Minority Govt. by Default!

[jackovesk]

We now have a Prime Minister (Fabian Socialist - Julia Gillard) who TWICE has not been elected by the people but manages to hang on to Govt. by default.

1st - She and the Union backed factional faceless men of the Australian labor Party knived Kevin Rudd in the back to help her take over as PM.

2nd - She lost the popular vote, but 2 Treasonous Independents who turned their backs on their own constituents wishes to side with the Liberal Conservative Coalition, did a $10 Billion backflip deal to help Gillard form a Minority Govt!

She also invited the Communist Green Party to help form the most Leftist Govt. in Australia's History.

Look at some of their Polices, Carbon Tax, ETS, Death Duties, Mining Tax, Tax on Cash Transactions, Open Border Policy, Internet Filter, No Fishing Zones, Body Scanners, Native Title Land Locked Up, White Elephant - Uncosted $43b National Broadband Grid, Wind Power, No more new Power Stations, Dodgy Green Jobs, Chinese allowed to buy our Best Food Producing Land & Water Rights (We are now a Net Importer of Foods) our Farmers are going broke and many have comitted suicide, etc, etc.

This is a Bloody Nightmare!

Everything we have been warned about regarding the policies of the Globalist NWO & their Minions (Socialist/Communist Labor & Greens Coalition) have dug their claws in and INFECTED Australia aswell..!

Australia's New Stalin (Julia Gillard)...'Sieg Heil' mein Fuhrer..!

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2010/09/07/1225915/397850-gillard-wins-banner.jpg

PS - Don't Let the Smile Fool You - This Woman is Ruthless and will do anything to Hold onto Power and further her Socialist Agenda.

God Help Australia...We are now starting to get a taste of what the US & Europe are going through!

[whitefluffy]

jackovesk,
I presume you are an australian, in which case you should know that we never directly elect our prime ministers, only our local representatives; the parties decide on their leaders, not the electorate.
i am sure Julia was duly elected and legitimatley represents her local constituency.. I do not agree with labor policies, but then i dont agree with any political party.
Dont you think its going just a little bit too far to equate Julia Gillard with Stalin. Good grief, talk about hyperbole, as far as I know Julia has yet to be linked with mass murder of any kind nor the establishment of gulags! I'll bet she's never even found herself rolling drunk and unable to explain how she wound up in a girlie bar, unlike her predecessor!
I think your post might be better received over at Savethemales.:eek:

[TigaHawk]

Sorrry whitfluffy, but i totally agree with jackoves, and he's not over reacting in the slightest.

Our voting system is stupid, we're forced to go vote for people but whats the point of voting for someone when they can turn around and put all the votes counted towards them to whoever they like? they dont even need to tell us beforehand who they're going to back, they just decide. An illusion of free choice behind a well constructed system which ensures the final say is not up to the general public.


At least the predecessor showed he was human, had human needs and did human things. The fact of the events leading up to, and how he was "evicted" brings up question as to what the real reason was he was removed.


I think you're post whitefluffy, is aimed more at congratulating australia for having its first female prime minister.


I'm female. I'm not impressed at this treacherous bulldog who did god knows how many "favors" to the government to get that seat.

[Ross]

Hi Jackovesk

I hope you are not trying to say that the LIBERAL COALITION party are a better choice? None are any good, period. All of the political democratic systems through out the world are a manipulated illusion, controlled by the corporate system, manipulated to the peoples, making 'us' believe we have a choice of whom we wish to be governed by... believeing in the voting process...and this process is deeply flawed, highly planned and executed by the corporate players. In others words, it matters not who governs us, we the people.

We have always been, we are currently, and we will continue to be lied to, bent over and shafted at every turn... and, they dont use any lube.

Regards

Ross

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

I have the strangest feeling that Australia is still governed from england. I know a few english/Scottish labour MPs went over to Oz to help with the campaign. It wasn't that long ago Gordon Brown was going there.

Edit:
Nearly forgot. Labour promote "common purpose". research it & keep them away from the children!

[Arpheus]

I have the strangest feeling that Australia is still governed from england. I know a few english/Scottish labour MPs went over to Oz to help with the campaign. It wasn't that long ago Gordon Brown was going there.

Edit:
Nearly forgot. Labour promote "common purpose". research it & keep them away from the children!

So is the is the USA,thats not major news really hehe.

[Ross]

I have the strangest feeling that Australia is still governed from england. I know a few english/Scottish labour MPs went over to Oz to help with the campaign. It wasn't that long ago Gordon Brown was going there.

Edit:
Nearly forgot. Labour promote "common purpose". research it & keep them away from the children!

Australia being one of the 'Commonwealth' Countries, which ultimately answer's to the Crown, e'g: When Julia Gillard and MP's ousted the then Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, She and her caucus decided to hold these current Elections. In order to do this she first had to ask Australia's Governor General, Ms Quentin Bryce AC, permission to take the country to the polls, Part of her role as Governor General is the representative to the Queen and Crown. So yes Australia is very much under the Domain of the Crown. That is one example, there are many more.

Regards

Ross

[Ross]

Governor-General's Role

The Governor-General’s role is both complex and demanding. The following summary outlines some of the key features.

The office of Governor-General was established by the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia in 1901.

The Governor-General is appointed by The Queen on the advice of the Prime Minister. After receiving the commission, the Governor-General takes an Oath of Allegiance and an Oath of Office to The Queen and issues a Proclamation assuming office.

The Governor-General’s appointment is at The Queen’s pleasure, that is, without a term being specified. In practice, however, there is an expectation that appointments will be for around five years, subject on occasion, to some extension.

The Governor-General’s salary is set by an Act of Parliament at the beginning of each term of office, and cannot be changed during the appointment.

The Governor-General’s powers and role derive from the Constitution. Letters Patent from The Queen, dated 21 August 2008, also set out certain provisions relating to the Governor-General.

In several sections of the Constitution the Governor-General’s powers and role are expressed.

A Governor-General appointed by the Queen shall be Her Majesty’s representative in the Commonwealth, and shall have and may exercise in the Commonwealth during the Queen’s pleasure, but subject to this Constitution, such powers and functions of the Queen as Her Majesty may be pleased to assign to him.

1. The power to appoint a Prime Minister if an election has resulted in a ‘hung parliament’;

2. The power to dismiss a Prime Minister where he or she has lost the confidence of the Parliament;

3. The power to dismiss a Prime Minister or Minister when he or she is acting unlawfully; and

4. The power to refuse to dissolve the House of Representatives despite a request from the Prime Minister.

In addition, the Governor-General has a supervisory role to see that the processes of the Federal Executive Council are conducted lawfully and regularly.

Also worthy to note:

Under Section 68 of the Constitution, the Governor-General is also the Commander-in-Chief of the Australian Defence Force, although in practice he or she acts only on the advice of Ministers of the Government. The Minister for Defence is responsible for Australia’s defence policy.

Regards

Ross

[JoshERTW]

We have the same problems in Canada

a) Flawed voting system - first past the post - if you vote for a party in your riding and the other guy wins, none of the votes for the losers count for anything, thus a prime minister can be elected with a minority of the votes. There was a ballot a few years ago on an election to implement proportional representation (i.e. 1 vote = 1 vote, party with most votes wins, not this crazy system where half the votes count for nothing). There was a huge disinformation campaign by the gov't in power at the time to let people know how bad prop. rep. was and how it would ruin society. It made me extremely mad and I did my best to spread the word. Had it passed, we would probably have a few Green party representatives right now instead of the environment raping Conservatives and the inneffectual Liberals and NDP.

b) Governal General has the final veto. Our prime minister (CONservative) has two years in row now, suspended parliament in advance of a key vote where he might lose a vote of confidence due to his uber-right wing policies and have to call an election, or to quash bills that he didn't want to see go through. This is unprecedented, as I believe in over 200 years parliament had only been Prorogued (suspended for several months, killing all bills in the process) once before this. Now he's done it two years in a row. I doubt he'll do it again, as it would be political suicide given their neck and neck position in the polls right now, but I wouldn't be surprised. Back to the point, the Gov. gen. has to give permission for the PM to do this, and twice now she has granted it, even though the reasoning was shaky at best, and at worst was an attack on the democratic process to further the PM's personal agendas i.e. killing various bills he disagreed with which he thought would probably pass, and avoiding controversy over leaked Afghan War documents - luckily Wikileaks has been bringing this back to the forefront.

I lived in Australia while KRUDD was in office, and got the distinct impression that he was violently hated by most people - at least most of the people who you might find on a forum like this. I take it his sucessor was no better? Sort of like a Bush -> Obama sort of transition (in a public perception kind of sense - I personally like Obama and think he's trying his best but has very little power - I think alot of the anti Obama conspiracy theories are misinformation, as the only other option is another Bushesque neo-con).

Sorry for going a bit off topic.

J

[Luke]

We have party lists system here in Poland (so called proportional system, seats are divided proportionally between all parties that go beyond 5% of votes), and tell you that: you cannot imagine the mess. There is no connection between on who you vote and who gets in, in reality you vote for party, not for man. In Sejm (parliament's lower chamber) party's make it so that every MP votes partyline or he will not be on party list next time. Additionally, parties that are in parliment receive cash from budget for their affairs, so they basically fund their campaigns from budget, so we have same faces in different colours for last 20 years. Only way to get into politics is exercise pull on "leaders" or brownnosing from early years through party's hierarchy.
No "fringe" ever gets elected, so we have a "holy war" now between catholic-national-socialists and centre-socialist about some secondary issues, while they follow a program of getting enough votes to past the gate next time, and keeping "interests groups" happy (bureaucrats, teachers, police and military and family-friends complex). In effect about 50% of voters do not even bother to vote. And fat cats are getting fatter. Only sometimes they have handed different scripts, as in vaccine issue, but that is rare.
Every proportional systems degrades to that. You should be happy that you at least have "your" representative, not some guy you never seen, and never will be .... that is if you still believe that all this voting racket is anything other than circus for gullible, creating legal excuse for real power plays.

[Lita]

I agree with Jackovesk, Juilie was a major part of the Socialist Forum and that was incorporated into the Fabian Society..
We didn't vote for what the Greens stand for and the independents are self serving, you only had to listen to Tony Windsor when he said he sided with Juila because if it went back to the people the Coalition would have been voted in and he didn't want that... now did he...he is an ex national.. part of the coalition..
People voted for who they wanted and supposedly from the policies of each party.. we did not vote for the Greens policies of no off shore detention.. which it took 1 day to implement..
Yes I know how our system works, and yes I know they are seen to be as bad as one another... but... if we are to live here at least the coalition would not get us further in debt.. at least they wouldn't gloss over a policy that killed 4 young people.. (Pink Bats) or line the pockets of people with there BTR or whatever it is.. and the broadband.. 43 billion and it doesn't even take it into the houses..and will be obsolete by the time its finished..
Even if we don't make it to 3 yrs of Julie and idiot Wayne Swan.. how will I ever live with her and that dam voice of hers..I will be droned out of existence..Oh and don't forget the CARBON TAX...yikes..
Do I sounds as if I am as mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore..lol.. I am at present looking for another country to live but haven't found 1 yet..they all seem as bad as 1 another..maybe she will just get too overbearing with the independents and they will let us vote again..
Yes I am another Aussie.

[jackovesk]

QUOTE Lita: "I agree with Jackovesk, Juilie was a major part of the Socialist Forum and that was incorporated into the Fabian Society.."

Thank God someone else in Australia has done there homework Lita...

Here is the PROOF to back it up!

Gillard Denied she is still involved in 'Socialism'!

Julia Gillard still tried to play down her past membership of the Socialist Forum at Adelaide University when questioned by Alan Jones (Australia's No.1 Talkback Radio Host). Trying to play it down with her fake laugh and shallow humour.

Here's the Podcast: Fast Forward to 27.10 mins to hear the Socialist Question.

http://podcasts.2gb.com/alanjones/alanjonesgillard270710.mp3

Some 20 odd years ago Julia you say you severed ties with the Socialist Party Julia???

Then PLEASE EXPLAIN to the Australian public WHY, when you were the Deputy Labor Leader you were the Keynote Speaker at the INAUGURAL FABIAN/SOCIALIST SOCIETY ANNUAL DINNER in Melbourne on the 31 August 2007?

Some Quotes of her Speech:

"It’s a great honour to be asked to deliver the address at this inaugural Australian Fabian Society annual dinner."

"Today the Fabian Society boasts contributions from some of the Labor movement’s leading figures – people of the stature of John Faulkner – and we’re going to need it to be a forum for new ideas regardless of the outcome of this year’s election."

"Over the past few years there’s been a rebirth of interest in ideas – reflected in the spurt in membership of the Fabian Society in Labor ranks."

Here is the Copy of her Speech:

http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/media/pressrel/T65O6/upload_binary/t65o65.pdf;fileType%3Dapplication%2Fpdf

What's the Link between the Fabian Society and Socialism/Communism you ask? See below...

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/city_of_london__the_fabian.htm#D

Looks to me like Julia Gillard is LYING to the entire Country AGAIN!

Like I said before Julia Gillard is a Ruthless LIER who will do anything to remain in Power!

Please feel free to use these links to educate those Aussies who still don't believe Julia Gillard has a Socialist Agenda.

[zenith]

5.6% informal vote.

If more don't vote than do,

does that mean we're all free? :lol:

[Lita]

Yes Ruthless and a lair is our Julia, I heard her on Alan Jones on 2GB..she didn't just belong to the Socialist Forum she held a position not sure off the top of my head if it was Chair or Secretary. I have been know to talk about this on overnight 2GB..

Thanks for those links, I just went and re read the Fabian Society's constitution..nothing special except this.
STATEMENT OF PURPOSE
Preamble: The Australian Fabians endorse the two pillars of its heritage
and high ideals. It affirms the socialist principles and values of
the British Fabians. It enacts the egalitarian spirit
and democratic values of the Australian Trade Union movement
which generated the formation of an Australian Labor Party.

d) Influencing the ideas and policies of political parties, especially the Australian
Labor Party.

Do you have anything at all about Bob Brown, I haven't been able to find out if he belongs to any other group other than the Greens..you know the 1's Green on the outside and red inside..

The thing is now with our constitution they have crossed all of the T's and dotted the I's.. unless she does something to those supporting her we just have to wear it. Most people know this is the case now but I have heard so many angry people, so time will have to tell I guess.

Zenith, yes there were a lot f informal votes, also heard people calling radio stations saying that the person handing the paperwork at the booths didn't stamp a lot of the paperwork so they became informal..each ballet has to have a stamp and a lot didn't.
Lita

[TigaHawk]

I lived in Australia while KRUDD was in office, and got the distinct impression that he was violently hated by most people - at least most of the people who you might find on a forum like this. I take it his sucessor was no better? Sort of like a Bush -> Obama sort of transition (in a public perception kind of sense - I personally like Obama and think he's trying his best but has very little power - I think alot of the anti Obama conspiracy theories are misinformation, as the only other option is another Bushesque neo-con).


K rudd;s hate was mostly generated by the media. I dont believe what the media says entirely, i think there was a big campaign against Rudd from day 1, its angle was allways on his "violence" and attitude.

Big question for most here is why was he so angry?

Then why did they boot him out?

There has to be more too it than what they say :P

[lunaflare]

Dear Tigahawk

I actually think Rudd (in his early rose coloured glass years) was seen most favourably - by the public, Labour Party and Media.
We tend to have short memories when it comes to Politics.
Specifically, I am thinking of the carefully staged "Apology Speech" (to indigenous Australians) and the high funded and high policed Papal visit.

My feeling with this whole election fuss is that Julia is wanting to be seen as a voice for many parties (and therefore highly "Democratic", so we the peeps can go back to sleep).
See what unfolds....

[Humble Janitor]

Ugh, I can't stand threads like this. They always presume that because someone has a certain political leaning, that they can easily be compared to Hitler. Why the invocation of Godwin's Law?

I'd expect crap like this from Faux Noise or another MSM outlet.

[jackovesk]

Ugh, I can't stand threads like this. They always presume that because someone has a certain political leaning, that they can easily be compared to Hitler. Why the invocation of Godwin's Law?

I'd expect crap like this from Faux Noise or another MSM outlet.

Get a Grip mate.

You obviously didn't bother to research all the links confirming her mandate and her political leanings.

Why speak out of turn when you obviously know nothing about her agenda.

As for your comment re: Goodwins Law, it was merely a play on words! No need to be so sensitive!

My post was to inform those that may be interested in Australian Politics and how we are now experiencing the Globalist Agenda in Plain Sight that is happening all over the world.

I have been studying Geopolitics for over 10 years and I am angry that our Country is now being Decieved by these unelected Socialist/Communists.

Next time do some research and at least read and listen to all the links before making such Lame comments!

[Humble Janitor]

Not everyone lives down under, "mate".

I called you out because it's a sensationalist title. I'm willing to bet that Ms.Gillard isn't a real socialist anyway. Perhaps I've just gotten sick of hearing the word "socialist" thrown out as a term of slander that I was willing to let the title get to me.

My apologies.

[Luke]

Socialist: a person believing that it is OK to loot people in order to redistribute the loot among others "in need". Use force when necessary.

Think ms. Gillard fits the bill perfectly.

Of course it should be obvious that one allow to get in his life when supporting such policies. Most of earth's govts are the same, or worse.

[Humble Janitor]

Socialist: a person believing that it is OK to loot people in order to redistribute the loot among others "in need". Use force when necessary.

Think ms. Gillard fits the bill perfectly.

Of course it should be obvious that one allow to get in his life when supporting such policies. Most of earth's govts are the same, or worse.

That's NOT what socialism is. I won't argue any further with people who have NO CLUE what it is and yet, throw it out like any other ignorant peon.

[Luke]

That's NOT what socialism is. I won't argue any further with people who have NO CLUE what it is and yet, throw it out like any other ignorant peon.

Oh really? Isn't it a system that seeks redistribution of goods held "wealthy" to those "in need"/"poor" by means of centralized system of extorsion? "From everyone according to his ability to everyone according to his need" ?

If not then tell me what You think socialism is, please.

[jackovesk]

That's NOT what socialism is. I won't argue any further with people who have NO CLUE what it is and yet, throw it out like any other ignorant peon.

OK Humble Janitor we Get It!

You Loove Socialism! You must Loove the idea that Middle Class is wiped out and the Gap between Rich & Poor widens to such an extent that most people end up paying more taxes, lose their rights and freedoms and become more dependent on Big Govt just to survive!

Here is one Description Humble Janitor! Not a Watered Down version that you are obviously to GutLess to Share With Us!

"The only difference between Socialism and Communism is that Communists take your house by directly sending in the "secret police" to knock your front door down Socialists do it much more subtly and cleverly by "gradually" taking your individual rights away, by "gradually" increasing property taxes and rates, and finally, when you can't pay them, they send in their regional "council tax inspectors" to take your house away but the end result is the same!"

[Fredkc]

He heh....

The recipe for All socialist programs begins the same way.
1. Steal someone else's rabbit.

And, as any "ignorant peon" whose read more than one book can tell you...
Any socialist government, by definition, ushers in a permanent, government enforced, three-tiered society.

So, barring any notions of freedom, equality, and charity, it's the perfect society. ;)

Fred

PS: For those wondering what I mean, I refer you to the writings of William Graham Summer, here (http://fredsitelive.com/reference/TheClasses.htm#8), and here (http://fredsitelive.com/reference/TheClasses.htm#9).

[Fredkc]

Ok, lemme spell it out. Take less time.

How a 'perfect' socialist government will define a 3-tiered society.

Tier 1: In this class you will have two kinds of people.
Type 1: The super-rich. For such people the price of daily needs can never rise above what they term petty cash. Even taxes really can't do it (short of 100% taxation, and then you've removed them from the class. not the same).

Summer explains it this way:
Now, if there are groups of people who have a claim to other people's labor and self-denial, and if there are other people whose labor and self-denial are liable to be claimed by the first groups, then there certainly are "classes," and classes of the oldest and most vicious type. For a man who can command another man's labor and self-denial for the support of his own existence is a privileged person of the highest species conceivable on earth. Princes and paupers meet on this plane.

Type 2: The abject poor. You can't tax nothing. You can't take nothing from nothing. They will always fall within the "deserving class", so like the super rich, what things cost is of little, if any relevance.

Tier 2: The truly privileged class. Here you find the "believers". They will normally make sure they always 'have'; but even that doesn't matter. They also tend to be the kind that quickly understand that money is merely one small brick in something far larger, and more attractive.. power. This then becomes the class which gets to decide which class everyone else belongs in. (and if you think the rich guard their money jealously, just try and get this class to relinquish power. ;) )

Tier 3: "The Forgotten Man" Even the most devout "tier 2 minion" will eventually realize that you can't have everyone "on the dole", who would pay for it? It obviously can't be the rich, as there would soon be none.

So Tier 3 qualifies for nothing. Instead he is told to just shut up, and work, and pay. "Others are in need!". He is told that he has no right to the fruits of his own labor and self-denial; that others, who won't do the same, get first claim.

Neither is he asked if he can afford this. Or if his own plans for his fruits might be more important. Should he disagree with either the reasons for, or level of such "contribution" members of Tier 2 will show up with guns and relieve him of his "excess".

In short, socialism creates the very permanent multi-class society it claims to discourage. And does so at the point of a gun.

All this philosophy is making me tired. Time for a nap.
Fred