Randy Maugans & Duncan O'Finioan slam disinfo bullying

[Debra]

Libel, Lies and Gangstalking

Any suggestions for those in alternative media who are targeted by gutter bloggers who peddle disinformation?

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On 12.12.2012 - Off Planet Radio began with this one hour segment to discuss and respond to a slanderous statement delivered by self styled 'former white hat operative' Michael Hemmingson on Revolution Radio.

Outrageous claims are heard in a replay of the broadcast, in which Hemmingson ties in Kerry Cassidy and pits her against Maugans. Duncan O'Finioan lends Maugans support in this show. He also is a target of the same group from which Hemmingson emerges.

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[Debra]

Randy Maugans posted a challenge a few days earlier 08.12.2012 to outline his take on what damage these people have managed to achieve, particularly towards victims of MK Ultra programs, who he emphasises, have suffered enough.

An audio (on YouTube) together with backing notes and evidence of his case is published on the Off Planet Radio website, titled:
The End Game on Dis-Info. Alternative Media is a Front (http://offplanetradio.com/articles/2012/12/8/the-end-game-on-dis-info-alternative-media-is-a-front.html)

Maugans also criticises people like Kerry Cassidy who he believes promotes and encourages this low level of online behaviour.

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[donk]

Not sure if this is one of the ones I heard, but I've caught most of RM's interviews...I'm a big fan. Hes passionate & I often agree with a lot of the problems he has but his anger toward Kerry rubs me the wrong way.

I'm not saying he's wrong, he's made a couple of points that (in the context he presents, which seem to me to be legit, I'm NOT implying he twists things) seem worthy of those feelings if KC won't explain, but it kills me that whatever they got going on they can't figure it out civily....we're on the same team guys!!

I hope the interview is the one I think it is....intetnets wonky so I hope my post comes through and I can catch it later. The one I'm thinking about I would have described same way, though I hewrd his anger toward her more than once.

I really don't think KC is on the dark side. I hope neither she nor RM are not too proud or whatever to suck it upget over whatever hard feelings or what not....they both do such a service for those want to hear alternative points of view about what's going on in this whacky world.

Peace

[Tommy]

I will listen to this. But has it occurred to anyone that he does all this slamming on the air but never actually contact Kerry or anyone in Camelot with his so-called challenges? We don't actually follow his show as his behavior towards us has been feeling close to stalker-ish at times.

Anyways, will listen and hear what it is all about, all new to me.

Thanks

[Debra]

Hi seeingterra, from memory I have heard RM claim he has attempted to bring Kerry to the table but his invitation has been either declined or not responded to. It would indeed be wonderful for greater unity to occur in response to this nitwit, and especially to bring these kinds of people into line. I mean, have you read some of the coarse things this blogger writes? it is even more shameful that Revolution Radio allows such base and slanderous accusations to be aired, devaluing the experience of MK Ultra victims and the tireless work of Maugans who continues to give a voice and support their empowerment. When you listen to the recording, hopefully you will get a more concerned handle on this issue. I think it is time for the alternative media to get together and support one another. I attempted to bring this up early this year but sadly I see that this issue has not been healed.

Donk, I hear you and I think there is more to all of this that is not being said. Why, I ask, would someone of Randy 's intelligence and until this issue, someone who preferred a low profile, be now speaking out? He is a vigilant researcher as well, so I doubt very much that he is just spinning blind and unfounded claims here. I believe that that there is some thing very stinky going on. I think Randy and Duncan are being pretty transparent about themselves and calling what they see.

[schneider]

Randy has been whining about KC for a long time now and personally I think he needs to move on. He is going to lose his audience if he doesn't. I have had enough on air bashing of Kerry and find it extremely distasteful at this point.

[Bo Atkinson]

I try to understand all the inferences, but expect much is beyond me. I appreciate any balancing out of misunderstandings or poor-understandings of questionable stands...I like the fact of differing points of view and different shows existing. This is a proper form of decentralization, which is a prime strategy against fascism... Ultimately i would hope more shows become available-- Assuming that bandwidth, at the least, will reach a stage of 'abundance'.. If the web continues in growth, the grand standing of the brightest shows might recede... If not, then Fascism wins, methinks.

There is after all, always the the problem of Fascists exterminating the smaller voices, the independent thinkers, artists and intellects.... The fixation upon branding, the making of the "the best and the brightest", numero uno.... Mirror, mirror on the wall... Who is the brightest of them all, (kill off any bright appearances which appear).

In any case, here is my thanks for Randy's shows, many of which i have appreciated. One difficulty of a grand-standing-figure is that they easily can become overwhelmed with the complexity of grand world affairs. The job of journalism becomes too complex for audiences which appreciate simplifications. The prima donna cannot always focus on all the amazing situations and the contextual corroboration.

Thanks Zebra.

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[Tommy]

He did contact us once, and then while I was talking to Kerry to figure out and check up on the things he mentioned he suddenly wrote an angry e-mail stating that he were not interested in any dialogue for some ranting reasons I fail to remember right now. Shortly after Duncan posted some slander on his blog about Camelot, adding a few blatant lies into the mix at the same time. One piece of BS was that I asked him to "take care of Richard Hoagland" which is totally absurd, though I was somewhat pissed that Hoagland were describing Obama as the "savior". So I made a comment that someone should address this during the upcoming panel discussion that evening.
Duncan supposedly took it upon himself to "deal with it", which in fact never even got mentioned on the panel when it came down to it..

So I am sorry, but I just see this as more ranting and whining about the same old stuff.. I mean, grown men should have no problem dealing with these idiot bloggers spewing out this crap. You all must know how long Kerry and Bill has been target of this type of slander. Do they spend an immense amount of time complaining about it? No, in fact it is hardly ever mentioned in a serious manner.

As for the Michael Hemmingson character I have no clue what this person is all about, in fact this is the first time I hear anything about him. I am curious about this person now for obvious reasons, so I will indeed look into that situation.

So I think it is time for people to grow up, and grow a pair while they are at it. It might sound harsh, but this is coming from an 25 year old, and I feel embarrassed about this childish behavior.

Talk about walking into the lions mouth..

Anyway, thanks for sharing your perspectives.. I hope you understand my need to do the same as I have been dragged into this soup on multiple occasions now. Surely there must be more important things going on in the world?

Cheers

[Bill Ryan]

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"Former White Hat"s blog is a comedy site (literally -- and sometimes quite a funny one, all the more so when people think he is serious). His parodies and extreme caricatures are not to be believed in any way other than by the pretty stupid and/or gullible. Kerry understood this perfectly from the very start, and has quite a sense of humor herself sometimes. Randy Maugans should really know better.

I'll make no comment about Duncan O'Finioan, who I greatly respect and consider a friend. I've not listened to Randy's video, and have no time to give it any attention.

[Debra]

I cannot invalidate the experience of one person over another. If Randy Maugans is being vocal, he has his reasons - most of which he has spelt out quite clearly IMO.

What I like about him is the fact that he is endeavouring to hold a space for many people who are disempowered and disenfranchised and it is plain for all to see when you look at the evidence of these bloggers, including this person called Michael Hemmingson, that a very low and very ugly energy is occurring and I for one cannot stand by and just dismiss it - because it is not happening to me.

This is a forum to question, to learn, to challenge but I also expect it to be a place that supports the battlers out there as well, even if they be angry and cannot let go of an issue that is bothering them. I believe that we should gather around and offer ways to help each other.

Goodness me, Randy is also a member on this forum, and I believe that Duncan O'finionan is too.

If the tables were turned and this time it was Kerry Cassidy being emasculated and such degrading language was being used against her, I would be standing up for Kerry as well and according her the same support.

Like I did early on this year, if you all remember.

Not dismiss her claims, not invalidate her concerns, and certainly not laugh them off either.

Randy makes it quite clear in his statements what he thinks about competition in the alternative media. It being, a waste of time, and yes, there are far more important things going on.

These allegations are actually quite serious and I do not believe that this is a 'childish' response.

This is not my fight personally but it sure as hell stands out as yet another example that there is a lot of work between humans to be done. It takes courage and can only be better for all souls involved to have more compassion for one another instead of invoking judgements.

I hope Kerry does come forward in this matter to work with Randy and Duncan on healing the situation. Ignoring it will achieve nothing. And it certainly does not have to be a public event. This is between them, afterall.

I opened this thread because I see injustice and bullying going on in my beloved alternative media - a field of endeavour and service to humanity that I have benefited from enormously. I am not the kind of person who gets out the popcorn and enjoys the drama when, as you say Tommy, there are more important things to worry about - and much bigger fish to fry. From my perspective, many on this forum are consciously working to bring on a better world and a better them as well.

These are my thoughts and I appreciate the perspectives that some of you have offered already in responding to this OP.

Zeb xx

[Debra]

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"Former White Hat"s blog is a comedy site (literally -- and sometimes quite a funny one, all the more so when people think he is serious). His parodies and extreme caricatures are not to be believed in any way other than by the pretty stupid and/or gullible. Kerry understood this perfectly from the very start, and has quite a sense of humor herself sometimes. Randy Maugans should really know better.

I'll make no comment about Duncan O'Finioan, who I greatly respect and consider a friend. I've not listened to Randy's video, and have no time to give it any attention.

I don't dine out on this material that is for sure, and I do not think it comedy. It is not funny at all. I remember reading some very degrading comments from this blog about Miranda Kelley. I was actually quite disgusted after all the hell she has been through.

And then I hear this Michael Hemmingston blurt out a tirade about the mental deficiency of people like Duncan - claiming that he and others, including Sarah Stanga are delusional. You really should listen to this.

Not funny.

[PurpleLama]

**** I don't think I was adding to the discourse....

[Mike]

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"Former White Hat"s blog is a comedy site (literally -- and sometimes quite a funny one, all the more so when people think he is serious). His parodies and extreme caricatures are not to be believed in any way other than by the pretty stupid and/or gullible. Kerry understood this perfectly from the very start, and has quite a sense of humor herself sometimes. Randy Maugans should really know better.

I'll make no comment about Duncan O'Finioan, who I greatly respect and consider a friend. I've not listened to Randy's video, and have no time to give it any attention.

I don't dine out on this material that is for sure, and I do not think it comedy. It is not funny at all. I remember reading some very degrading comments from this blog about Miranda Kelley. I was actually quite disgusted after all the hell she has been through.

And then I hear this Michael Hemmingston blurt out a tirade about the mental deficiency of people like Duncan - claiming that he and others, including Sarah Stanga are delusional. You really should listen to this.

Not funny.



not "ha ha" funny...but tragically comic, maybe?

i've read those comments as well, Zeb, and feel the same as you about them. i do however, find myself chuckling in the face of this absurdity, and the absurdity that the world has become. perhaps it's a defense mechanism; perhaps i would sob otherwise.

[Curt]

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"Former White Hat"s blog is a comedy site (literally -- and sometimes quite a funny one, all the more so when people think he is serious). His parodies and extreme caricatures are not to be believed in any way other than by the pretty stupid and/or gullible. Kerry understood this perfectly from the very start, and has quite a sense of humor herself sometimes. Randy Maugans should really know better.

I'll make no comment about Duncan O'Finioan, who I greatly respect and consider a friend. I've not listened to Randy's video, and have no time to give it any attention.

I don't dine out on this material that is for sure, and I do not think it comedy. It is not funny at all. I remember reading some very degrading comments from this blog about Miranda Kelley. I was actually quite disgusted after all the hell she has been through.

And then I hear this Michael Hemmingston blurt out a tirade about the mental deficiency of people like Duncan - claiming that he and others, including Sarah Stanga are delusional. You really should listen to this.

Not funny.



not "ha ha" funny...but tragically comic, maybe?

i've read those comments as well, Zeb, and feel the same as you about them. i do however, find myself chuckling in the face of this absurdity, and the absurdity that the world has become. perhaps it's a defense mechanism; perhaps i would sob otherwise.


My remarks were out of context in this thread. I've moved my comments to a new thread. Apologies.

[Kristin]

Unfortunately people are hurt by all of this. It's one thing to be accused of being a clone and having an entire planet of clones of yourself... yes, ha ha. But it would be another if you were personally implicated in the tragic deaths of people... I would have a different reaction to such a thing particularly if I was involved with trying to help people who have been in MK ultra and MILabs programming. (Oh wait a second, I am!) Enough is enough.

What purpose does this serve? It hits too close to home for some who have given their lives to help. There is apparently more information on this that we are not aware of which remains to be seen. Regardless, a retraction and an apology would be the mature thing to do for the folks that are putting this stuff out there. If people are being hurt over this; I am sure that would not be the intention of a site that is promoting humour and dis info for a laugh. So why continue on with it? It's really not very funny when people are hurt, objecting, and trying to create a space of clarity for what they are doing.

Sometimes ignoring something is the best route to go, but imagine if you tried that and this person was emailing you directly and trying to stir up the hornets nest time and time again. Why? What's the point? Is that funny? Isn't the supposed joke over by now? This begs one to ask what is really going on here. I hope that this will end with an apology. If you make a joke in poor taste and the joke isn't taken well, then you say your sorry and move on. You do not however repeatedly email negativity to the people you have hurt and make it worse, and worse, until it becomes tragic.

I feel bad for Duncan, Miranda, and Randy on this one. They are just trying to do their job and help people. They never signed up for this. Now they've got folks saying things in public against them and pushing it more and more... that can't even remotely feel good. They have far better things to do. That's just my two cents.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Debra]

Unfortunately people are hurt by all of this. It's one thing to be accused of being a clone and having an entire planet of clones of yourself... yes, ha ha. But it would be another if you were personally implicated in the tragic deaths of people... I would have a different reaction to such a thing particularly if I was involved with trying to help people who have been in MK ultra and MILabs programming. (Oh wait a second, I am!) Enough is enough.

What purpose does this serve? It hits too close to home for some who have given their lives to help. There is apparently more information on this that we are not aware of which remains to be seen. Regardless, a retraction and an apology would be the mature thing to do for the folks that are putting this stuff out there. If people are being hurt over this; I am sure that would not be the intention of a site that is promoting humour and dis info for a laugh. So why continue on with it? It's really not very funny when people are hurt, objecting, and trying to create a space of clarity for what they are doing.

Sometimes ignoring something is the best route to go, but imagine if you tried that and this person was emailing you directly and trying to stir up the hornets nest time and time again. Why? What's the point? Is that funny? Isn't the supposed joke over by now? This begs one to ask what is really going on here. I hope that this will end with an apology. If you make a joke in poor taste and the joke isn't taken well, then you say your sorry and move on. You do not however repeatedly email negativity to the people you have hurt and make it worse, and worse, until it becomes tragic.

I feel bad for Duncan, Miranda, and Randy on this one. They are just trying to do their job and help people. They never signed up for this. Now they've got folks saying things in public against them and pushing it more and more... that can't even remotely feel good. They have far better things to do. That's just my two cents.

From the Heart,
Kristin

A heart felt response Kristin.

Thank you for this post. I hope that Randy, Duncan, Miranda and others who are directly affected by this smear campaign get to see that there are others who are supporting them, at least in spirit. Importantly, that some people - like yourself - have actually bothered to take a closer look at this material.

In my view, this is nasty stuff, produced by people with ill intent. Period. And if I was in Randy or Duncan's shoes, I would be angry too and certainly not back down and let them get away with it.

I agree with you, I think there is more information on this that we are not aware of, which remains to be seen.

My questioning would be: why is this happening? What is the purpose?

And who is behind it?

Cheers, Zebra

[Debra]

On his website, Off Planet Radio, Randy Maugans provides further reading for those interested in this case. He states that he and others have brought together information to support their claims, and deal with the problem as they see it:


I am posting all of this now because I was called to task over my rant on the 11-21-2012 show about the blogger, Former Whiter Hat Operative, and specifically, Kerry Cassidy's complicity in what can only be called a sleazy circle of deceit. The "game" ends here. The audio (and the YouTube) stand as the evidence against ALL the complicit parties, direct and indirect. If you see a problem and you don't take care of it---YOU are the problem.

Included in the evidence offered, is a report brought together by Khris Neal, whose experience as a MK Ultra victim and now advocat to bring an end to these programs is contained in his blog (http://clandestineragerevealed.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/michael-hemmingson-is-former-white-hat-louis-kahn-nin-period/) Clandestine Rage Revealed - it's time to talk

Randy tables Kris Neal's substantial post - dated November 20th, 2012 - titled: Michael Hemmingson is Former White Hatt & Louis Kahn Nin - Period! (http://clandestineragerevealed.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/michael-hemmingson-is-former-white-hat-louis-kahn-nin-period/)

To help readers gain some more background to Hemmingson, the following offers a perspective with appended examples of the content this person spins and creates, including a novella titled MILAB WHORE! It also paints a context in which he operates and moves within, including ties to a satanic organisation and examines ''the kind of relationship he has with Kerry Cassidy.'' The post in full can be viewed here (http://clandestineragerevealed.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/michael-hemmingson-is-former-white-hat-louis-kahn-nin-period/)

Here is the opening extract:


Michael Hemmingson is Former White Hat & Louis Kahn Nin – Period!

Khris Speaks
Volume LXVIII

11/18/2012

This blog post will be lengthy and may tax your patience. I will tie Former White Hat, Louis Khan Nin and Michael Hemmingson into one abso-fracking-lutely combustible fire-storm before the time you finish this blog post. I’ll examine the relationship Former White Hat has with Kerry Cassidy of Project Camelot. Then, I’ll examine a potential connection Michael Hemmingson has with the Super-Soldier Summit. I’ll ask the reader to examine why information from my personal emails and phone calls find their way onto the Former White Hat’s blog. Next, I’ll examine how Michael Hemmingson, from Revolution Radio, interviews whistle blowers and dis-closers and then defames and attempts to discredit them on his blog as Former White Hat. I’ll prove to the readers using Michael Hemmingson’s own words, how he likes to set up WordPress blogs to ‘slam’ people. Finally, I’ll examine the potential relationship Mr. Michael Hemmingson has with military-intelligence agencies and finally, The Temple Set, a satanic organization. We’ll take a look at the Idyllwild and Thomas Pynchon connections too.

Based on my investigation into Former White Hat aka Michael Hemmingson, the questions which need answered are:

1. Why would Michael Hemmingson interview conspiracy dis-closers and whistle blowers on Revolutio Radio and then write humiliating and libelous posts about them on his Former White Hat blog? Is this not a CIA trojan-horse tactic; pretend to respect the whistle blower, then trash them behind their backs to discredit them.

2. Why would Revolutio Radio allow Michael Hemmingson to interview whistle blowers on their network and them humiliate and libel the same people on his Former White Hat blog? Does Revolution Radio know Michael Hemmingson is trashing their own interview-ees and dis-closers? Will Michael Hemmingson still be hosting Revolution Radio when the network learns of his deception?

3. Why does Kerry Cassidy constantly give shout-outs to Former White Hat aka Michael Hemmingson? Kerry knows Former White Hat is Michael Hemmingson, so why would Kerry allow Michael to sub for her on Revolution Radio radio if he’s going to trash her and Camelot’s whistle blowers? What connection does Project Camelot have to Michael Hemmingson? Why does Kerry Cassidy interview former insiders and whistle blowers on Project Camelot and then laugh about the libelous filth and trash Michael writes about the people she interviews? Why would Kerry allow this?

4. On several occassions, information from my personal phone calls and emails have been portrayed on the Former White Hat blog. What connection does Michael Hemmingson have to the CIA and or military-intelligence agencies to disclose information from my private phone calls? Michael Hemmingson, how does information from private conversations at a friend’s house, a house I know to be “bugged”, a friend who’s family worked for intelligence agencies at Groom Lake, end up on your blog? We pulled the batteries from our cell phones and still multiple conversations between us have been portrayed in pictures and words on your Former White Hat blog? How does information from an email about Chuck Norris, an email I wish I never received, an email I never shared with anybody, find its way onto your Former White Hat blog?

5. What connection does Michael Hemmingson have to Lorien Fenton, the producer of the Super-Soldier Summit? Michael Hemmingson and Lorien Fenton were both supposed to be at The Alchemy Event 2012. Like Michael Hemmingson and Kerry Cassidy, Lorien Fenton has a show on Revolution Radio too. Lorien and Michael were just on a show together in November. Michael has interviewed some of the Super Soldiers from the Super-Soldier Summit as well as others who didn’t attend the summit. Does Lorien Fenton know Michael Hemmingson has tried to discredit the people she invited to the Super-Soldier Summit with his Former White Hat blog? Does she care? Is Lorien an unsuspecting bystander in this twisted game of Michael’s mind?

Note: I’m not attempting an indictment on Kerry Cassidy, Lorien Fenton, or Revolution Radio. I’m trying to get some answers. It is the mission of this objective investigator to get answers to the aforementioned questions.

Michael Hemmingson and Lorien Fenton were at The Alchemy Event 2012 in IRVINE California. I got a message on my blog from the Idyllwildgroup today. I will show later in this post how Michael Hemmingson is behind the Idylwildgroup on WordPress. The Idyllwild comment came from an I.P. address which traced back to Irvine California. How perfect, Michael was in Irvine, California for the Alchemy event, not in San Diego where he lives and his I.P. address usually traces back to.

http://clandestineragerevealed.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/milab-whore-louis-khan-nin1.png
''Milab Whore, written by none other than Louis Kahn Nin aka Michael Hemmingson. Why would Michael write smut about the same people he goes to conventions to meet and interview on the radio? It's called a pysop, mind control and deception.'' http://clandestineragerevealed.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/michael-hemmingson-is-former-white-hat-louis-kahn-nin-period/

[enfoldedblue]

I would be curious to hear Bill Ryan's thoughts on this as, if I remember correctly, in the past he seemed to take a similar position to Kerry, claiming it was just a bit of fun...satire, and that people were taking it much too seriously.

Personally I initially took TFWH as mildly amusing sillyness, however ultimately I see it as couter-productive to the whole truth movement, as it uses people who have experienced EXTREME suffering and put themselves out on a limb for truth, for fodder for very nasty, low level entertainment.

[Bill Ryan]

I would be curious to hear Bill Ryan's thoughts on this as, if I remember correctly, in the past he seemed to take a similar position to Kerry, claiming it was just a bit of fun...satire, and that people were taking it much too seriously.

Personally I initially took TFWH as mildly amusing sillyness, however ultimately I see it as couter-productive to the whole truth movement, as it uses people who have experienced EXTREME suffering and put themselves out on a limb for truth, for fodder for very nasty, low level entertainment.

Thanks, and yes -- that's almost exactly my view. But I do think that ignoring FWH is the thing to do. Giving him publicity by making him notorious and controversial will only encourage him more. If no-one ever visited his site or posted forum comments about him, he'd soon think of a better way to amuse himself.

What I've observed is that he really enjoys it when commenters plainly take his satire seriously. He then ramps things up to the level of sheer farce (obvious to 99% of readers, but clearly not all!) as if to test the gullible even more.

In my view, other than ignoring him completely, Kerry's response is probably the most appropriate. In other words, don't bite on the bait: or he'll hook you and then play you like a fish, enjoying it all the more when you struggle and try to fight back.

Having said all that, the bottom line is that he does not help the truth movement one iota -- and is pretty much a valueless parasite.

[enfoldedblue]

Thanks Bill,

I appreciate hearing your thoughts on this...and it is nice to know that you don't actually support the way he plays :) .


oh and ooops...I just saw that you had commented above...I hadn't seen that when I posted.

[Tommy]

I think Bill pretty much says it, and I agree with that statement above.

Randy and Co took the bait, sadly that is exactly what him/they wanted.

No offence, but I won't spend any more time on this.

Cheers

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Know thy self

Problem solved

Hugs

N

[HaveBlue]

Valueless parasite!!! You tell em' Bill. Why write an essay when two words will suffice? Articulate elegance. I couldn't have said it better.

[donk]

What I've observed is that he really enjoys it when commenters plainly take his satire seriously. He then ramps things up to the level of sheer farce (obvious to 99% of readers, but clearly not all!) as if to test the gullible even more.


What does that say about RM (and your friend Duncan) then? Does this imply that he is gullible? And further: that those of us who enjoy his show and entertain the ideas and information he presents are as well?

Maybe I am totally missing something (it would not be the first time), but I take your replies as kind of dismissive, in a way that may be counter-productive (vs. clearing up some confusion left by what you are not saying). Also counter-productive to your stated intent of taking away attention for the FWH clown.

RM more than once challenged (borderline attacked) KC (with the support of Duncan) with a lot of vitriol. Like someone mentioned, that in itself is getting to the point of alienating his audience...if it continues (and I am not sure that this thread, which I would certainly be reading if I was him as a forum member, as someone mentioned). I believe seeign terra as much as I do him, so I'm inclined to think that mediation is necessary to "heal the relationship" as zebra pleads (and has been on my mind as well upon hearing the interview), so it kind of seems to me (by omission...aka MY IMPLICATION, so really not fair--but just sharing my truth) you sort of dismiss his value as a contributor to alterative media.

I am not trying to put words in anyone mouths or read minds, I am giving you my interpertation of how I am experiencing all this: RM is in a RAGE at KC, and states his reasons. seeingterra (representing KC) claims RM's attempts of clearing it up were not sincere or rational. So there is the issue of the "camps" disagreeing that this was legitamately maturly addressed. Actually, the real issue is: THAT THERE IS EVEN "CAMPS"!!

The FWH douche at this point IS irrelevant. So what happens now? If I were to be presumptuous, Randy doesn't to take the "ignore that what is considered irrelevant nonsense" position BR and KC (by proxy) that you are taking. I will stop listening if he continues to take so much time and energy to publicly air his anger at Kerry regardless, but it just sucks, cuz he does great stuff, not to mention Miranda is awesome, as is Bill's FRIEND Duncan. It would be nice if BR could just stay above the fray. Would be even nicer if RM & KC could have straightened it amongst themselves awhile. Would be great if SOMEONE could get over themselves, be the better person and just say, I was wrong about what I said when I said ____, I'm sorry, let's move on.

But unless things have changed in the last couple weeks (and i truly apologize if they have...I tried to get up to speed best I can), RM wasn't close to that point last I heard. In fact, he dug himself deeper and seems (seemed) hell-bent in his righteousness, in accusations pretty much to me sounded like "Kerry is on the dark side".

My quesition: Is my interpretation of the situation correct? If so, that would imply Randy is to just be ignored, right, as you are setting the example? theOr at least taken as FWH or Charles type, an attention whore who whether intentionally or not divides the alternative media community?

KC (through admin) took the first step toward resolution, attempted to deal with Randy. I think the next step should be taken: declare something like: We tried to address the Randy Maugins situation though he was unreasonable. Here is the our truth to each of the statements he made. We apologize for any confusion caused on our end, and feel this wat about RM.

It may take slightly more time than the reading and replying you have already done on this thread, but it would certainly put it to bed, and redirect the energy some of us in the community who have chosen to taken interest in this.

All of this with respect and love to all!!