What Really Happened at Sandy Hook??

[ThePythonicCow]

Mod note from Bill, 15 March 2019:

When going through this thread, I saw that several important videos have been removed from YouTube for 'bullying and harassment'. (OMG.)

So here they are, in the Avalon Library:


We Need To Talk About Sandy Hook
http://avalonlibrary.net/Sandy_Hook/We_need_to_talk_about_Sandy_Hook.mp4



Sofia Smallstorm - Unraveling Sandy Hook
http://avalonlibrary.net/Sandy_Hook/Sofia_Smallstorm_Unraveling_Sandy_Hook.mp4



Sandy Hook - The Documentary (Part 1)
http://avalonlibrary.net/Sandy_Hook/Sandy_Hook_The_Documentary_(Part_1).mp4 (http://avalonlibrary.net/Sandy_Hook/Sandy_Hook_The_Documentary_%28Part_1%29.mp4)



Sandy Hook - The Documentary (Part 2)
http://avalonlibrary.net/Sandy_Hook/Sandy_Hook_The_Documentary_(Part_2).mp4 (http://avalonlibrary.net/Sandy_Hook/Sandy_Hook_The_Documentary_%28Part_2%29.mp4)

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From Newtown Massacre…the MAJOR DISCREPANCIES LIST (VeteransToday.com) (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/17/questions-about-the-connecticut-school-shooting/), comes this rather unsettling list of discrepancies in the Sandy Hook school shooting case:

As yet, we have not seen any concrete evidence that any child died.
As yet, parents have not been allowed to see their children. (Photoshopped pictures do not count.)
As of now, I have seen only one unambiguous statement from a grieving parent (Robbie
Parker).
According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother’s ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan–who officials say is very cooperative–claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft?
According to the official story, Adam Lanza was wearing a black outfit with a mask and bulletproof vest. Why would he want to hide his identity, and why would he wear a bulletproof vest, if he planned to kill himself?
The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with .223 (rifle) casings. But Adam Lanza was found dead in the school with only handguns–a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. But then he could not possibly have been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did?
According to the official story, the killing was tightly confined to two classrooms. But then why were so many children told to close their eyes while leaving the building?
Joanne Didonato, the principal’s secretary, called in sick on Friday–something she rarely does. So presumably, she must have been awfully ill. Yet she then felt well enough to give an interview. “Of all days,” she said, emphasizing the strange coincidence.
The hospital went into lockdown and cleared four trauma rooms, but received only three patients, two of them dead children(according to the official story) and one mildly wounded adult.
Why were there such persistent reports that Mrs. Lanza was a kindergarten teacher, and that she died at the school, when the new official story is that she was not connected to the school and was killed at home?
What happened to the report that Adam Lanza’s girlfriend and another friend were missing in New Jersey?
What happened to the woodsman in a black jacket and camo pants who was arrested and handcuffed outside the school? He actually shouted to parents, “It wasn’t me.” Who was he and what was he doing there?
What happened to the dark van or SUV that the police surrounded in the parking lot, or the maroon sedan with a blown-out back window they were on the lookout for?
The official story is that Nancy Lanza was a gun collector who obeyed the law. But since 20-year-olds are not permitted to buy guns or ammo or carry guns in Connecticut, why would she give her “autistic” son access to both guns and ammo?
Why were parents told on Friday that “if you haven’t been reunited with your child by now it’s already over”? Does anyone imagine that real parents of real children would simply say, “Okay, the show’s over, let’s go home now”?
Would real parents of real children really be satisfied with (possibly photoshopped) pictures of their children? Wouldn’t they demand to see their children one last time firsthand?17) According to the official story, 28 people died but only 1 was wounded. The dead included 20 small, squirmy children–difficult targets even for professionals. How could Adam Lanza achieve such amazingly deadly accuracy, in such a short length of time?
A child asserts that he/she heard someone say, “Put your hands up,” followed by the reply, “Don’t shoot.” This indicates that the police took a suspect into custody inside the school. But if that was Adam Lanza, how did he kill himself after that point?
Another child asserts that he/she saw a man pinned down to the ground with handcuffs on. Again, this indicates that the police took a into custody. If that was Adam Lanza, how did he then kill himself?
When Ryan Lanza was falsely identified as the shooter, who deleted his Facebook profile and created many others in his name?
Is it reasonable for a geeky 20-year-old to carry two pistols and hundreds of rounds of ammunition while wearing a bulletproof vest and a mask?
Why did the police say on Friday that they were going to leave the bodies rotting in the school until Sunday, then Saturday morning announce that they had spirited the bodies away in the middle of the night? Perhaps to ensure that the transport, if any, would go unrecorded on photos or video?
Why won’t police tell us where they found the Henry repeating rifle, the Enfield rifle, and the shotgun?
Did the school have one or more security cameras? What do they show?
Why did a police officer specifically mention, on radio, that “they’re coming at me through this wood,” followed by a fellow officer saying, “This is it”?
One officer in the school said, “We’ve got one suspect down.” Who was that? Down in this situation generally means in custody(on the ground and cuffed), not dead.
Why didn’t Adam’s uncle see anything out of the ordinary in Adam when the two saw each other in June?
Why is Adam Lanza reported to be a loner when a teenager said (oxymoronically), “[Lanza and his friends] always gathered alone in a corner in school”?
Why did police assign an individual state trooper to every grieving family, whether the family wants such “protection” or not?
Why are Ryan Lanza and his roommates still in custody, and why are the police pretending that it’s for their own benefit?
Is it a coincidence that Nancy Lanza’s brother is Kingston Police Officer James Champion, who lives next door to the former Lanza home?
Since the alleged shooter’s father is VP of GE Capital, and (like “Batman shooter” James Holmes’s father) was scheduled to testify at the Senate Hearings on the LIBOR scandal, is there a LIBOR connection to this event?

[ThePythonicCow]

In a related article, mentioned by the above article, Riddle me this: Adam Lanza, 'computer genius,' left no online footprint (legitgov) (http://www.legitgov.org/Riddle-me-Adam-Lanza-computer-genius-left-no-online-footprint):




According to numerous media reports and witnesses, alleged Newtown, Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza was a 'genius' with computers. And yet, we are told that Lanza apparently left no online footprint. The question must be asked: Was the electronic history of Adam Lanza scrubbed?

Many articles, including witnesses' accounts, have described Adam Lanza's advanced skills with computers, a skill-level common with Asperger's sufferers. Indeed, many computer hackers have Asperger's syndrone -- Adrian Lamo, Ryan Cleary, and Gary McKinnon, for example. And yet, Adam Lanza 'left no online footprint?'

According to a New York Daily News article (15 Dec 2012), "[Adam] Lanza, who friends and officials said suffered from Asperger's syndrome or a personality disorder, had a tortured mind. He was socially awkward and at times unstable, but also extraordinarily bright. 'He was smart,' the insider said. 'He was like one of these real brainiac computer kind of kids.'"

A Honolulu Star Advertiser/New York Times (15 Dec 2012) article, 'Gunman left few hints about his life or motives,' noted the alleged shooter's lack of electronic footprints. "In his brief adulthood [Adam] Lanza had left few footprints, electronic or otherwise. He apparently had no Facebook page, unlike his older brother, Ryan... Lanza did belong to a technology club at school that held 'LAN parties' -- short for local area network -- in which students would gather at a member's home, hook up their computers into a small network and play games, The Associated Press reported."

Even 'original' school shooting suspect Ryan Lanza, Adam's brother, had his computers and phone records searched by law enforcement. "Ryan Lanza had been cooperative and was not under arrest or in custody, but investigators were still searching his computers and phone records." This news was reported in an MSN item (15 Dec 2012), 'Conn. gunman recalled as intelligent but remote.'

The MSN article includes a statement by one of Adam Lanza's classmates, Joshua Milas. "Adam Lanza attended Newtown High School, and news clippings from recent years show him on the honor roll. Joshua Milas, a classmate who was in the technology club with Lanza, said that he was generally a happy person but that he hadn't seen him in a few years. 'We would hang out, and he was a good kid. He was smart,' said Milas, who graduated in 2009. 'He was probably one of the smartest kids I know. He was probably a genius.'" The article also notes Adam's attendance at the LAN parties.

Anyone with enough computer knowledge to attend and participate in LAN parties would likely have an online footprint. Where's Adam Lanza's?

[Hermite]

As much as I agree that there are things about this that don't add up, I find this totally disrespectful of the grieving parents. A simple Google will show hundreds of links for the funerals held yesterday. Here's one, for instance. http://www.vosizneias.com/119625/2012/12/17/newtown-ct-conn-gov-attends-the-first-funerals-for-jewish-victims/

Plus, Investigators are searching smashed computers for clues to a motive behind the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.
http://www.waff.com/story/20361117/funerals-begin-for-newton-school-shooting-victims

Most interesting is that there are 2 people recovering from their wounds, eye-witnesses, and it will be quite revealing to hear what they have to say, if we are ever privy to that information.

[161803398]

looking for truth is never disrespectful

[sdv]

Paul, he smashed his computer into bits, so yes, he did leave an online footprint, but it will take great skill to retrieve anything from the bits and pieces. Would it not be more useful for the journalist to ask investigators if they are calling on the best expertise in the country to retrieve information from the remains of the computer rather than create a conspiracy around misinformation?

Most of the items in the list of 31 can be dealt with in the same way (e.g., yes there are bodies that have been viewed in the morgue and in coffin at funeral - many people do not want to see dead bodies and would rather prefer to remember the person alive so probably not all bodies have been viewed by parents; the offical story is that one rifle was found in the car, one next to Adam's body, a gun in his pocket and another gun beside him; the corridor and classrooms where the killings took place are located by the entrance to the school so if the children were led out through that entrance they would have passed those classrooms, and the bodies of the two adults who were killed first; item number 31 is a myth that has been repeated with no basis in fact ...).

I'm not trying to be a shill, or whatever, but I think it is worth considering these articles with rational reason and questioning the source of these 'facts'.

Perhaps the key as to what Adam did what he did is in his smashed-up computer. Was he talked into and coached into doing what he did by someone he was in contact with electronically? But why make a big noise and question what is being done by whom to recover this information (and maybe get the truth) when you can instantly make up a story about an official claim about no footprint (is there an offical claim that there was no computer found anywhere other)? Or are we now going to say that the computer does not exist? Or that the offical story is that it is smashed up is a lie because they want to hide what is on the computer (I doubt that those traumatised people actually retrieved and analysed information from a computer that quickly).

[ThePythonicCow]

As much as I agree that there are things about this that don't add up, I find this totally disrespectful of the grieving parents. A simple Google will show hundreds of links for the funerals held yesterday. Here's one, for instance. http://www.vosizneias.com/119625/2012/12/17/newtown-ct-conn-gov-attends-the-first-funerals-for-jewish-victims/
If I or someone I love gets taken out in such a massacre, then I trust that the rest of the world won't stop looking closely at what happened out of "respect" for me.

Something stinks, we don't know what, but given the history of such events, and given the chronic dishonesty of both our public officials and our news sources, it seems almost certain to me that what really happened is not what we're being told, and seems rather likely that what really happened is substantially more sinister than what we're being told.

Thanks for that link - it even states that it was an open casket funeral, so the deceased child was visible. Both that funeral and the publication of the above list of discrepancies occurred on Dec 17, 2012. So perhaps the author of the discrepancy list didn't do an adequate job of research, or perhaps the funeral(s) became known after she wrote that item. I don't know.

[modwiz]

There is a heavy stink coming off of the story in the OP and it is not from the OP or the reporter. I've had a few unpleasant possibilities/scenarios flash through my Aspie noggin, but I will lay low. The truth will out. If there has been one aspect of a 12/21/12 phenomenon observed by me, it has been a stripping away of obfuscation. Not as many as could are noticing, but bones are poking through everywhere. Pretty soon bits of marrow will show. Ignored by the majority, but one that may be shrinking. I will keep a bright outlook. It's good for my immune system if nothing else.

[ThePythonicCow]

but I think it is worth considering these articles with rational reason and questioning the source of these 'facts'.
I suspect you're right that the authors of the items I posted in the first two posts might have overplayed their hands.

My shoot from the hip guess would be that the real facts are more complex and sinister, that there is some overlap between the real facts and the doubts raised in those two posts, and that those two posts misfired on some of it.

As to whether Adam really did or did not leave a footprint, we can't tell yet. I doubt that the people who would actually be investigating this would be too traumatized to retrieve and analyze what's available. It's not the children's families who would be doing that. But if the official story is that Adam's computer is too smashed up to recover much from, then I don't trust that official story ... that would be too convenient an outcome for continuing a cover-up, such as often happens in such high profile incidents.

[modwiz]

As much as I agree that there are things about this that don't add up, I find this totally disrespectful of the grieving parents. A simple Google will show hundreds of links for the funerals held yesterday. Here's one, for instance. http://www.vosizneias.com/119625/2012/12/17/newtown-ct-conn-gov-attends-the-first-funerals-for-jewish-victims/

Plus, Investigators are searching smashed computers for clues to a motive behind the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.
http://www.waff.com/story/20361117/funerals-begin-for-newton-school-shooting-victims

Most interesting is that there are 2 people recovering from their wounds, eye-witnesses, and it will be quite revealing to hear what they have to say, if we are ever privy to that information.

Yes, there have been funerals but:

15) Why were parents told on Friday that “if you haven’t been reunited with your child by now it’s already over”? Does anyone imagine that real parents of real children would simply say, “Okay, the show’s over, let’s go home now”?
16) Would real parents of real children really be satisfied with (possibly photoshopped) pictures of their children? Wouldn’t they demand to see their children one last time firsthand?

So, are funerals being held without parents having seen the dead bodies of their children? Hmm.
We may have funerals, but do we have dead children..............yet?
Your sources are mainstream slop outlets. If you are getting your news from these sources you are part of the problem. You become part of the matrix and defend it. This is what the MSM news does. It sends signals and programming to those that are "softened up" by using it. It is hard to be a "casual" viewer of MSM. It is like being a casual taster of sh!t I don't buy it. "Casual" viewers are hooked in. Hooked is the operational word. Any addict is chock full of reasons/justifications why they use.

Each household of a "dead" child has a trooper assigned to it. Information control?

[Fred Steeves]

All very good, and reasonable questions. Odd how supposedly naturally curious reporters never seem to think to ask them. I was talking to my wife about just that yesterday, and about how anyone who questions any government version of a story whatsoever, is brushed aside as being part of the "black helicopter crowd". So I reckon in that type of environment, any reporter asking such a question would be told to go home and peek through their curtains for black helicopters. And oh by the way, don't bother coming back to work.

Ever been watching one of those ridiculous press conferences Paul, White House or otherwise, where the repeaters step all over each other just to ask stupid questions, and fantasize what it would be like if they started actually blurting out real questions like the ones listed above? God that would be great! (LOL)

The lies and misinformation would be exposed for the whole world to see, in under 5 minutes.

[eni-al]

25, One officer in the school said, “We’ve got one suspect down.” Who was that? Down in this situation generally means in custody(on the ground and cuffed), not dead.
Down instead usually means down as in shot, wounded, incapacitated etc. Never implies the persons dead though.

There is also no link with Peter Lanza and LIBOR, apparently a rumour or false information from somewhere.


Some appear to be more observations and just questions than actual discrepancies that would seem to amount to a conspiracy, kind of normal things to be questioned, but other things are strange, seems about half of them are not so much.
Confirmation is still needed on many things, but who to trust with that, there is always going to be questions regardless, once more things come to light, any more discrepancies will show up.
I thought the funerals are being held rather soon, maybe a good thing, its been 3 days, during that time the autopsies would have occurred, plus the funeral arrangement, and its all part of an ongoing investigation.

[avid]

I remember reading loads of investigations into the reality of the Gabriel Giffords shooting. Lots of the 'victims' and 'witnesses' were actors! Giffords made a 'miraculous' recovery! This was another gun-control political news-bender....
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/05/gabrielle_giffords_conspiracy_theory_hoax_website_ed_chiarini.php
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/noframes/read/207850

Something stinks....
this is just one of the videos offering odd evidence from the official line:
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[RMorgan]

Paul, he smashed his computer into bits, so yes, he did leave an online footprint, but it will take great skill to retrieve anything from the bits and pieces.

Well, smashing a computer doesn´t erase personal online information that´s all around search engine caches and social networks.

It´s extremely hard to completely erase something from the internet, if not impossible...Just look at how many "celebrities" try to remove leaked naked pictures from the web, without success.

Anyway, if he was that intelligent, a computer geek, he knew that smashing a computer is probably not really necessary or efficient if all he wanted was to deleted his local personal data.

All he would have to do is to remove and destroy his HD.

Smashing a computer to erase data is a total Hollywood movie stuff, a myth, specially if you realize that the HD is a pretty strong piece of hardware and can be easily recovered by professionals if the magnetic disk itself isn´t damaged.

[SilentFeathers]

What I am noticing:

They are really targeting many with this event;


1. ALL gun owners. (even "law abiding" responsible gun owners)
2. Preppers and Survivalists. (labeling them as paranoid and nut-jobs)
3. ANYONE with a "potential" mental disorder. (which makes society as a whole basically "unfit")
4. ANYONE who speaks "misinformation". (specifically social media and alternative news).
5. etc etc etc., pretty much the general population as a whole.

[Strat]

Paul, he smashed his computer into bits, so yes, he did leave an online footprint, but it will take great skill to retrieve anything from the bits and pieces.

Well, smashing a computer doesn´t erase personal online information that´s all around search engine caches and social networks.

It´s extremely hard to completely erase something from the internet, if not impossible...Just look at how many "celebrities" try to remove leaked naked pictures from the web, without success.

Anyway, if he was that intelligent, a computer geek, he knew that smashing a computer is probably not really necessary or efficient if all he wanted was to deleted his local personal data.

All he would have to do is to remove and destroy his HD.

Smashing a computer to erase data is a total Hollywood movie stuff, a myth, specially if you realize that the HD is a pretty strong piece of hardware and can be easily recovered by professionals if the magnetic disk itself isn´t damaged.


Yeah, if he was a genius he'd know that it's really not that hard to pull the hard drive (1 plug and 2 phillips head screws). You don't need to smash the PC. And then he'd know, as you've stated, that one can't erase search history if it's not on your computer (stored on servers and 'that one government office who's name escapes me').

More likely 'they' call him a genius because when they began filtering search results they didn't realize the sheer volume of traffic involved and are beyond backed up. Also, I don't consider clicking the 'private search' button constitutes one as being genius (there's a joke in there somewhere but I'm running on like 2 hrs of sleep).

[sdv]

Well, smashing a computer doesn´t erase personal online information that´s all around search engine caches and social networks.

It´s extremely hard to completely erase something from the internet, if not impossible...Just look at how many "celebrities" try to remove leaked naked pictures from the web, without success.

Anyway, if he was that intelligent, a computer geek, he knew that smashing a computer is probably not really necessary or efficient if all he wanted was to deleted his local personal data.

All he would have to do is to remove and destroy his HD.

Smashing a computer to erase data is a total Hollywood movie stuff, a myth, specially if you realize that the HD is a pretty strong piece of hardware and can be easily recovered by professionals if the magnetic disk itself isn´t damaged.

Raf, if you don't have the original computer and the person used an alibi, how can you find their footprint? I challenge you to find my search cache without having access to my computer or being able to link to it in any way. If there is a way, then it is going to take a long time and probably is beyond the capabilites of the local police. His ISP? How do they find his ISP if they don't have any records?

Here, you have to provide ID and proof of residence before you can register with an ISP. Is that so in USA? If not, it is going to be rather difficult to find his footprint without the data on his computer.

I seem to remember that the magnetic disk, HD were what was smashed to bits (when I say computer I mean that part and not the outside furniture, and assumed that everyone understood - sorry!)

The myths and rumours that are being presented about this tragedy are all based on extrememly poor reporting and people just making stuff up and then all of this gets repeated as evidence over and over again. The discrepancy about the number of guns did not come from official sources. Ditto the myth about his mother being a teacher at the school.

This is how bad the media is: no one is asking where the smashed up computer is and who is trying to retrieve the data. Wouldn't the CIA have the best technical expertise to do this? Have the CIA been asked to help?

avid, there is no evidence on the video - just speculation with references to online 'stuff'.

Once again, why have no reporters asked questions about that chase through the woods at an official media briefing? (By the way, no one inside the school saw more than one shooter.) Because they are very bad at their jobs (if their jobs are to uncover and communicate the truth) and they have been a big part of the spreading of these myths and speculations.

[modwiz]

Don't schools have security cameras?

I'll partially share a gruesome thought, although it occurs all the time during certain days by the satanist elite. That is human sacrifice. We have a solstice coming up and not just any old solstice by the energy around it alone. Combine a few possibilities with the discrepancies listed in the OP and then try and see where this could go.

Nice and tender and fully traumatized. Mm-mm good.

We are all one and their minds are there to be penetrated. Not very savory stuff. :bad:

Voted lately?

[Gekko]

I might point out that some loners have no desire for a Facebook page, as it is a symbol of the groupthink which has caused them so much pain. Nor do they need much of a presence anywhere else on the web. Someone I know who has issues with paranoia and occasional psychosis made it clear to me that he has no Facebook page and made absolutely sure to not leave any traces on the internet that could be used against him. I myself have a very slim friends list and no profile pictures or personal information.

The paradox is that we desire the thing we fear the most, i.e. human warmth and a feeling of community.

[modwiz]

I might point out that some loners have no desire for a Facebook page, as it is a symbol of the groupthink which has caused them so much pain. Nor do they need much of a presence anywhere else on the web. Someone I know who has issues with paranoia and occasional psychosis made it clear to me that he has no Facebook page and made absolutely sure to not leave any traces on the internet that could be used against him. I myself have a very slim friends list and no profile pictures or personal information.

The paradox is that we desire the thing we fear the most, i.e. human warmth and a feeling of community.

As an aspie with an aspie son, I am aware of the "headroom" of our kind. So, not only is the insipid popular culture shunned by many of us who accept our difference, and I have made sure my son understands the difference, there is also the wisdom of being on fecebook.

Gekko, it is the judgement we shun. It is the unpleasant "extra" that comes with community until community develops emotional maturity and greater self examination. As I explain to my son, they are the majority and that greater weight forms the general culture. The other thing I tell him is, intelligence is the exception and not the rule.

Majority rule. Just look at the fruit it has borne.

[sigma6]

The biggest discrepancy might be the pre-emptive programming that has now been sussed from the latest Batman movie...
ala 911 in the Matrix Movie...


Sandy Hook AND Aurora in BATMAN Movie where he literally points to it on a map...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53286-Sandy-Hook-and-Aurora-in-Batman-Movie-Make-Viral-asap-&p=601083&viewfull=1#post601083

[Maia Gabrial]

Sounds to me like more made up news by those zionist owned medias, Paul. They're really good at inventing the news, aren't they? TPTW want guns taken away from citizens so they have a clear shot at us.....It seems like they're slipping big time, if the discrepancies can be spotted so easily. Arrogance and foolishness - what a combination!
I noticed several of my emails were about gun control sighting THIS shooting. I plan to scald them with scorn for being part of this plan....

Thank you for this article!

[4evrneo]

I know this may sound crazy, but a thought came to my mind last night after meditating.....what if this was all staged? So many things about this just isnt right so this morning I started doing some searching and found a couple things that bother me.

this link is to a DHS excercise manual of sorts and it does talk about using actors in these excercises. I havent read the entire manual but am combing through it now. It does say a couple times "Recruit actors and manage actor logistics (e.g., waiver forms, applying moulage)"

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://hseep.dhs.gov/hseep_Vols/security/HSEEPVolIVSecurity.aspx&sa=U&ei=ZIrQUN6QIMT9iwLrzIC4Dg&ved=0CAcQFjAA&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNFgmij9URsJlCgqJmg6hXUroi7esQ

This is where I found the link to the DHS manual, I dont know about the site http://www.knowthelies.com/node/8486 but I just thought it was another completely different twist on this event.

I am sorry if this site is not a reputable one, I have never been on it but its just one of those things that is nagging at me.
Too many discrepancies as you have brought up Paul.

I also mean no disrespect at all to the people who are suffereing. I myself in fact have cried several times about these children. But last night something just didnt sit right with me.

It also bothers me that it would be so blatently put out there that Sandy Hook is on the Gotham City map that everyone is talking about. Its a good way to stir up the needed reactions IMO.

[sigma6]

Paul, he smashed his computer into bits, so yes, he did leave an online footprint, but it will take great skill to retrieve anything from the bits and pieces.
Well, smashing a computer doesn´t erase personal online information that´s all around search engine caches and social networks.
It´s extremely hard to completely erase something from the internet, if not impossible...Just look at how many "celebrities" try to remove leaked naked pictures from the web, without success.

Anyway, if he was that intelligent, a computer geek, he knew that smashing a computer is probably not really necessary or efficient if all he wanted was to deleted his local personal data.
All he would have to do is to remove and destroy his HD.
Smashing a computer to erase data is a total Hollywood movie stuff, a myth, specially if you realize that the HD is a pretty strong piece of hardware and can be easily recovered by professionals if the magnetic disk itself isn´t damaged.

100% agreement, two things I laugh at watching movies is how they handle computer related activities or deal with psychological interpretations, writers clearly get it 'wrong' more then 90% of the time, or the actors and prop people make it so unrealistic, it's always a total giveaway imo... a geek would have a data erasure program or remove the HD, in fact just battering a computer box would most likely leave the HD intact, and even if it was physically damaged a huge portion would still likely be forensically accessible to data retrieval experts....

[soleil]

From Newtown Massacre…the MAJOR DISCREPANCIES LIST (VeteransToday.com) (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/17/questions-about-the-connecticut-school-shooting/), comes this rather unsettling list of discrepancies in the Sandy Hook school shooting case:

As yet, we have not seen any concrete evidence that any child died.

As yet, parents have not been allowed to see their children. (Photoshopped pictures do not count.)

As of now, I have seen only one unambiguous statement from a grieving parent (Robbie
Parker).

According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother’s ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan–who officials say is very cooperative–claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft?

According to the official story, Adam Lanza was wearing a black outfit with a mask and bulletproof vest. Why would he want to hide his identity, and why would he wear a bulletproof vest, if he planned to kill himself?

The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with .223 (rifle) casings. But Adam Lanza was found dead in the school with only handguns–a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. But then he could not possibly have been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did?

According to the official story, the killing was tightly confined to two classrooms. But then why were so many children told to close their eyes while leaving the building?

Joanne Didonato, the principal’s secretary, called in sick on Friday–something she rarely does. So presumably, she must have been awfully ill. Yet she then felt well enough to give an interview. “Of all days,” she said, emphasizing the strange coincidence.

The hospital went into lockdown and cleared four trauma rooms, but received only three patients, two of them dead children(according to the official story) and one mildly wounded adult.

Why were there such persistent reports that Mrs. Lanza was a kindergarten teacher, and that she died at the school, when the new official story is that she was not connected to the school and was killed at home?

What happened to the report that Adam Lanza’s girlfriend and another friend were missing in New Jersey?

What happened to the woodsman in a black jacket and camo pants who was arrested and handcuffed outside the school? He actually shouted to parents, “It wasn’t me.” Who was he and what was he doing there?

What happened to the dark van or SUV that the police surrounded in the parking lot, or the maroon sedan with a blown-out back window they were on the lookout for?

The official story is that Nancy Lanza was a gun collector who obeyed the law. But since 20-year-olds are not permitted to buy guns or ammo or carry guns in Connecticut, why would she give her “autistic” son access to both guns and ammo?

Why were parents told on Friday that “if you haven’t been reunited with your child by now it’s already over”? Does anyone imagine that real parents of real children would simply say, “Okay, the show’s over, let’s go home now”?

Would real parents of real children really be satisfied with (possibly photoshopped) pictures of their children? Wouldn’t they demand to see their children one last time firsthand?17) According to the official story, 28 people died but only 1 was wounded. The dead included 20 small, squirmy children–difficult targets even for professionals. How could Adam Lanza achieve such amazingly deadly accuracy, in such a short length of time?

A child asserts that he/she heard someone say, “Put your hands up,” followed by the reply, “Don’t shoot.” This indicates that the police took a suspect into custody inside the school. But if that was Adam Lanza, how did he kill himself after that point?

Another child asserts that he/she saw a man pinned down to the ground with handcuffs on. Again, this indicates that the police took a into custody. If that was Adam Lanza, how did he then kill himself?

When Ryan Lanza was falsely identified as the shooter, who deleted his Facebook profile and created many others in his name?

Is it reasonable for a geeky 20-year-old to carry two pistols and hundreds of rounds of ammunition while wearing a bulletproof vest and a mask?

Why did the police say on Friday that they were going to leave the bodies rotting in the school until Sunday, then Saturday morning announce that they had spirited the bodies away in the middle of the night? Perhaps to ensure that the transport, if any, would go unrecorded on photos or video?

Why won’t police tell us where they found the Henry repeating rifle, the Enfield rifle, and the shotgun?

Did the school have one or more security cameras? What do they show?

Why did a police officer specifically mention, on radio, that “they’re coming at me through this wood,” followed by a fellow officer saying, “This is it”?

One officer in the school said, “We’ve got one suspect down.” Who was that? Down in this situation generally means in custody(on the ground and cuffed), not dead.

Why didn’t Adam’s uncle see anything out of the ordinary in Adam when the two saw each other in June?

Why is Adam Lanza reported to be a loner when a teenager said (oxymoronically), “[Lanza and his friends] always gathered alone in a corner in school”?

Why did police assign an individual state trooper to every grieving family, whether the family wants such “protection” or not?

Why are Ryan Lanza and his roommates still in custody, and why are the police pretending that it’s for their own benefit?

Is it a coincidence that Nancy Lanza’s brother is Kingston Police Officer James Champion, who lives next door to the former Lanza home?

Since the alleged shooter’s father is VP of GE Capital, and (like “Batman shooter” James Holmes’s father) was scheduled to testify at the Senate Hearings on the LIBOR scandal, is there a LIBOR connection to this event?


i think that this is amazing, logical, and makes sense.

for the rest of the sheeple...if it walks/talks like a duck....its probably a duck. regardless of the inconsistencies.

this is really gonna drive people nuts, and distract them. whatever happened, whoever died, i send peace and love to. but the energy created about this situation is ridiculous. I dont want to give it any more energy. but i will def spread the word if i can. :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

something you forgot to mention...

how did the first responder police officer get shot?

did Adam Kill himself, of did an officer shoot him?

were any of the children killed by police bullets trying to get the shooter?


how did the media know to call the principal before she was shot?

[modwiz]

I know this may sound crazy, but a thought came to my mind last night after meditating.....what if this was all staged?

The people of the matrix will tell you you are crazy or evil to even think such a thing. They are running their programming. This question is the one that will really bring the wizard of Oz' curtain back. Is that Toto with you?

This brief video is calling BS on this. And, he is a Christian type.
http://beforeitsnews.com/scandals/2012/12/must-see-the-recent-shootings-in-usa-did-they-take-place-or-didnt-they-2430588.html

[modwiz]

i think that this is amazing, logical, and makes sense.

for the rest of the sheeple...if it walks/talks like a duck....its probably a duck. regardless of the inconsistencies.

this is really gonna drive people nuts, and distract them. whatever happened, whoever died, i send peace and love to. but the energy created about this situation is ridiculous. I dont want to give it any more energy. but i will def spread the word if i can. :)

The real eye and mind opener is asking ourselves, did anyone, or the numbers mentioned, die..................yet?
The big ritual is still a couple of days off. The reported story is very sick. The possible real story is at a level that many will just block out.

[Snoweagle]

Super thread Paul, thank you. I concur absolutely. This stinks of cover up! (This cover up stinks!)

Dang! the authorities are over this like a rash, since when do they do that? When the same secular puppet masters are pulling the strings. Just as we have seen before, for decades, the New World agenda brotherhood will stoop to the lowest form of human betrayal to accomplish their agenda. Obamas face said it all for me, he was stitched up on this and he knows it, would even suggest he abhorred the "project". I am of course of the opinion this was stage managed; entirely staged by secular FEMA and Pentagon types. American on American.

Furthermore, challenging institutionalised "murder" is NEVER disrespectful.
For those that believe otherwise you become part of the problem and are therefore under suspicion just as the killer(s). Ignorance is no excuse. In normal people grief fires passion for truth behind a death, no stone will go unturned, especially on this one.

We the global populace suffered our closed enquiries politely in the early period after 9/11, this event has crossed the rubicon as far as "despicable acts", those found involved in this will pay dearly for a considerable length of time.

[norman]

The real eye and mind opener is asking ourselves, did anyone, or the numbers mentioned, die..................yet?
The big ritual is still a couple of days off. The reported story is very sick. The possible real story is at a level that many will just block out.

Are you implying that those kids are on their way to a mass ritual killing somewhere, right now?..... OMG !

[soleil]

....ritual??? :fie::mad2:

[Flash]

The real eye and mind opener is asking ourselves, did anyone, or the numbers mentioned, die..................yet?
The big ritual is still a couple of days off. The reported story is very sick. The possible real story is at a level that many will just block out.

Are you implying that those kids are on their way to a mass ritual killing somewhere, right now?..... OMG !

That is the only time I want to be a catholic. The body has to be seen during the wake and before putting into the ground. They would have had to make very fast copies, well made, if they were in a catholic country. So one is about sure the person is his relative and is truly deceased. No telling what some people do during the wake to make sure it is the right person there.

In mafiosi, all catholics, they are sure the one they killed is really dead. i supposed it is the same for popes etc.

[modwiz]

The real eye and mind opener is asking ourselves, did anyone, or the numbers mentioned, die..................yet?
The big ritual is still a couple of days off. The reported story is very sick. The possible real story is at a level that many will just block out.

Are you implying that those kids are on their way to a mass ritual killing somewhere, right now?..... OMG !

Implying is risky business. I am thinking out loud, based on things that are part of my inner data base. However, you did get my drift.
We have a new Winter storm named Draco in the USA, talking about drifts. They have taken to naming Winter storms. I helps them form better. If they get any real attention it can feed them. The satanists and more of their magic. Only works with a magically, and other ways, ignorant populace.

Fortunately, they do not get to practice their dark arts totally unopposed.

Ain't that right, Rocky?

[TargeT]

I seem to remember that the magnetic disk, HD were what was smashed to bits (when I say computer I mean that part and not the outside furniture, and assumed that everyone understood - sorry!)


I've worked in classified areas and one of my duties was hard drive distruction, I also happen to be trained in forensic data recovery.

Unless you've had the practice I have I CHALLANGE you to "smash to bits" this piece of hardware beyond a recoverable state:
http://hothardware.com/articleimages/Item1615/small_bg_angle1.jpg
These are litteraly almost metal brick
I know how, but I've probably destroyed 150+ hard drives, Fire isn't enough, Water isn't enough... what would YOU do?







The real eye and mind opener is asking ourselves, did anyone, or the numbers mentioned, die..................yet?
The big ritual is still a couple of days off. The reported story is very sick. The possible real story is at a level that many will just block out.

Are you implying that those kids are on their way to a mass ritual killing somewhere, right now?..... OMG !

Implying is risky business. I am thinking out loud, based on things that are part of my inner data base. However, you did get my drift.
We have a new Winter storm named Draco in the USA, talking about drifts. They have taken to naming Winter storms. I helps them form better. If they get any real attention it can feed them. The satanists and more of their magic. Only works with a magically, and other ways, ignorant populace.

Fortunately, they do not get to practice their dark arts totally unopposed.

Ain't that right, Rocky?

This has been my thought, especially with the children involved, now I do not know enough to say this is a certainty...

have parents seen bodies, has ANYONE?

were the funerals open or closed casket, cremations?

are not ALL "wrongful deaths" required to have an autopsy; are they on file now, were they completed this quickly?

[modwiz]

The real eye and mind opener is asking ourselves, did anyone, or the numbers mentioned, die..................yet?
The big ritual is still a couple of days off. The reported story is very sick. The possible real story is at a level that many will just block out.

Are you implying that those kids are on their way to a mass ritual killing somewhere, right now?..... OMG !

That is the only time I want to be a catholic. The body has to be seen during the wake and before putting into the ground. They would have had to make very fast copies, well made, if they were in a catholic country. So one is about sure the person is his relative and is truly deceased. No telling what some people do during the wake to make sure it is the right person there.

In mafiosi, all catholics, they are sure the one they killed is really dead. i supposed it is the same for popes etc.

I touched my father-in-law as he lay in his casket. Not only did he look waxy, he didn't feel very human either. Never poked a dead person before. There is nobody there.

Somebody else mentioned somewhere that for a massacre, there has been no sign of blood. Same with the Aurora shootings. Don't remember any bloodstained sidewalks with the Giffords shooting either. Blood stained stuff used to always accompany gruesome killing. It was stock in trade of the lurid nature of news. If it bleeds it leads, was the saying. Where is the blood lately?

[Tarka the Duck]

have parents seen bodies, has ANYONE?

In the Huffington Post, the funeral directors from two of the homes preparing the bodies for burial (Honan Funeral Home and Neilan Funeral Home in New London, Conn) speak about the experience.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/newtown-funeral-pasqaule-forino-sandy-hook_n_2318913.html


are not ALL "wrongful deaths" required to have an autopsy; are they on file now, were they completed this quickly?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Connecticut Chief state medical examiner H. Wayne Carver II said in a press conference Saturday afternoon in Newtown that in his three decades in practice, the shooting is the ‘worst I know of any of my colleagues having seen.’

Dr Carver’s 10 technicians and four doctors in his office worked tirelessly throughout Friday night and on into Saturday to identify and perform autopsies on the 26 dead. They expect to be done by tomorrow morning, the Hartford Courant reports.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248864/Sandy-Hook-shooting-Autopsy-report-reveals-26-victims-shot-times-EACH.html
December 16th 2012

[RMorgan]

I know how, but I've probably destroyed 150+ hard drives, Fire isn't enough, Water isn't enough... what would YOU do?


Well, I believe there are several ways to destroy an HD to the point of no recovery.

You can open it up and smash the plater and servos to pieces with a sledge hammer, or you could attach it to a very strong magnet, or maybe you could soak it in a bucket full of acid...

I guess the magnetic method is the easiest way to definitively erase its data, however.

The possibilities are endless.

[SilentFeathers]

Another thing I noticed is that they were instantly showing the faces of all these minor children on all the news stations etc.

I wonder how all these parents feel about this? having their little kids faces shown all around the world without their permission?

I'm not one to quickly jump on to the conspiracy band wagon as many of you here have noticed of me, but this time and event, not much at all really makes any sense or adds up.....(unless you totally step outside of the sheeple box). I think this is totally some weird staged like event.

...and Modwiz, your thinking out loud is really not that all of a far fetched possibility at all.....we've seen signs and symptoms of the capabilities of these psychopaths throughout our lives, children, sex and blood rituals seem to be at the top of their menu for their appetites.

[Flash]

There was a report of a child who was alive under his dead friend, to hide, and when the shooting was finished he got up and ran outside, completely soaked with blood. So yes, is seems there was blood, at least in the first reports Modwiz.

[161803398]

We have a new Winter storm named Draco in the USA

They are really making themselves obvious..."Draco". Not that Draco is neccessarily Satanic. It is timely though. I continue to wonder if there are any good people involved in this business of the new age or are they all sucked in by the Satanists.

[TargeT]

I know how, but I've probably destroyed 150+ hard drives, Fire isn't enough, Water isn't enough... what would YOU do?


Well, I believe there are several ways to destroy an HD to the point of no recovery.

You can open it up and smash the plater and servos to pieces with a sledge hammer, or you could attach it to a very strong magnet, or maybe you could soak it in a bucket full of acid...

I guess the magnetic method is the easiest way to definitively erase its data, however.

The possibilities are endless.

degaussing is the best way, but the magnetic strength is so high it's kinda crazy to work with (watches getting yanked to the machine etc..)

a lot of times we used fire axes to break open the cases then smash up / puncture the platters, a few times we used belt sanders on the platters.. "opening them up" takes special tools I never had till I got a forensic kit. it was very labor intensive & took tools that most people don't usualy have (fire axes etc..) smashing with a sledge hammer isn't quite enough, need to have an Axe. I don't know about acid, never tried that.. I guess high enough strength would work ;)

[Poly Hedra]

Whether or not his computers were smashed, an online footprint does not disappear because of a smashed computer. There would be records of the IP address.

[TargeT]

Whether or not his computers were smashed, an online footprint does not disappear because of a smashed computer. There would be records of the IP address.

yes, forum membership, social media (especially at that age) would still be present.. very odd not to see something, ESPECIALLY as a gamer, gamers are generally "online addicts"

[SilentFeathers]

I know how, but I've probably destroyed 150+ hard drives, Fire isn't enough, Water isn't enough... what would YOU do?


Well, I believe there are several ways to destroy an HD to the point of no recovery.

You can open it up and smash the plater and servos to pieces with a sledge hammer, or you could attach it to a very strong magnet, or maybe you could soak it in a bucket full of acid...

I guess the magnetic method is the easiest way to definitively erase its data, however.

The possibilities are endless.

degaussing is the best way, but the magnetic strength is so high it's kinda crazy to work with (watches getting yanked to the machine etc..)

a lot of times we used fire axes to break open the cases then smash up / puncture the platters, a few times we used belt sanders on the platters.. "opening them up" takes special tools I never had till I got a forensic kit. it was very labor intensive & took tools that most people don't usualy have (fire axes etc..) smashing with a sledge hammer isn't quite enough, need to have an Axe. I don't know about acid, never tried that.. I guess high enough strength would work ;)

Sounds like the next time I need to blow off some steam I need to tear apart one of my old computers and try opening one of these! :)

[TargeT]

Sounds like the next time I need to blow off some steam I need to tear apart one of my old computers and try opening one of these! :)

PRO TIP:

some of the strongest magnets I've EVER played with are inside hard drives (2 of them) I break them open just to get the magnets, they are on the edge of the platter so don't hit the axe on the edge, hit the center near the spindle so you don't break them ;)

great for the plug of your oil pan ( to help collect metal shavings) or pinching the CRAP out of your fingers

[avid]

Was there a meeting of strange folk in the Navarre Hotel Colorado...? http://www.stewwebb.com/bush_satanic_rituals_and_human_sacrifices_01172010.htm
Probably not as this was publicised ages ago!!!
Has anyone got any date significance, as well as all the links to the movies (hidden in plain site)? Are these bereaved families being pressurised not to speak with having an assigned security person to each one? It's all totally horrid - but the goal is obvious - take guns away from people, remove their freedom. This has happened loads before, Gabrielle Gifford etc, but with the 'new' administration the banksters/controllers need to be able to implement martial law without too much interference..... We can see this clearly. Why sacrifice children? = EMOTIVE = EMPATHY!!
However... there are soo many unanswered questions. Supposedly the father was NOT involved in the LIBOR scandal? Far too much disinfo.
Thanks to Veterans Today http://www.veteranstoday.com/, and lots of others who are thought-provoking materials: make of this what you will...
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Assuredly - nothing we see in the MSM is correct. The motive is a clear and vicious threat to the freedom of the people, utilising 'useful idiots' as an excuse. Pathetic.

[modwiz]

There was a report of a child who was alive under his dead friend, to hide, and when the shooting was finished he got up and ran outside, completely soaked with blood. So yes, is seems there was blood, at least in the first reports Modwiz.

Pictures, or talk? Who cares what reports say? They are like glasses of water from a cesspool.

Can we have a hand count of how many actually think that reports have any value other than to propagandize, mislead and hope we will give up our guns? Sh!tting on our xmas is also part of it.
People keep on dropping MSM reports in here. They are like droppings from a dogs ass.

[Mozart]

Thank you, Paul, for this excellent thread.


Can you kindly go back to your OP and put an open space between each numbered item on the list? That will greatly help the readability of the list. The original list from Veterans Today has open spaces between each numbered item and it's much easier to read.

[mattymoto]

When I saw this I did a double take WTF!!?



urrRcgB581w

[ThePythonicCow]

Can you kindly go back to your OP and put an open space between each numbered item on the list? That will greatly help the readability of the list. The original list from Veterans Today has open spaces between each numbered item and it's much easier to read.
The forum's BBCode numerical list format doesn't make that easy to do, so far as I know.

[modwiz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=78oxfAqGGJI#!

It ends with telling responders to slow down. "No need for (garbled) response".


At 44 seconds, the police relay a teacher’s report that she saw “two shadows running past the gym”. [Now keep in mind that according to the 'official' story the "lone" shooter has killed himself.] At 55 seconds, the police officer reports a van coming toward him with two occupants, he then says at 1 minute 30 seconds he has them “proned out” (lying on the ground face down). At approximately 2 minutes, they report the New Jersey plates of the van, and the rental car company registration. These two men are in addition to the ONE man dressed in camo pants who the police arrested in the woods near the school. That makes THREE men in addition to the “lone gunman” Adam Lanza. QUESTIONS: WHAT HAPPENED TO THESE MEN? WHO ARE THEY?

[avid]

I am so angry with our MSM - the F'ing BBC, the ITV networks in the UK, but surprisedly when I tuned into RT early this morning they too held the 'party-line' and were promoting the incredibly 'accurate' useful idiot who wore body armour in order to kill himself??? Oops, and he forgot his rifle was left in his vehicle - yet the children were left with rifle ammo shells surrounding them? PUHLEASE....
RT? Hmmm - pretends to be anti, does some honesty (but most folk don't watch it), then Al Jazeera - ahem is pro Saudi Royals.... Even Veterans Today has loyalty to Obama, yet faces-off on PressTV. I'm fed up with all this subterfuge, Hopefully 'The Throat of Fire' will take precedence in some realistic news...
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So sorry for all those poor families tied into this nightmare - the evil beggars' belief! The missing crew and passengers on 9/11 planes, is this all too much to digest? CHILDREN are sacrificed????!!! Yet again.....?

[ThePythonicCow]

some of the strongest magnets I've EVER played with are inside hard drives (2 of them) I break them open just to get the magnets, they are on the edge of the platter so don't hit the axe on the edge, hit the center near the spindle so you don't break them ;)
Are you referring to the magnets described in this article: http://rack1.ul.cs.cmu.edu/rotaryvoicecoil/ ?

[modwiz]

When I saw this I did a double take WTF!!?



urrRcgB581w

I am doing a WTF too. I got nothing from this. Sounded like he said, "My name's Robbie Parker". It then ends. WTF?

[mattymoto]

My WTF happened when I saw his smiling face. I'm no actor, but did he just take a few seconds to get into character?

This man allegedly lost his 6 years old daughter. He is clearly smiling just before he asks "want me to start?" then he pours on the emotion after a few seconds of warm-up...

[Selene]

I’ve no doubt that these innocent children are well and truly dead, having been massacred in the most horrific and bloody manner possible. The intended effect of mass horror via random violence has been achieved.

It’s the rest of the story that indeed stinks.

• While we don’t yet have the full parsing out of the timeline and who was where when etc, etc, the phrase on the police radio “One suspect down” is meaningful.


Down in this situation generally means in custody(on the ground and cuffed), not dead

This interpretation is incorrect: The word “down” in police parlance invariably means “shot” or “wounded”, not “in custody”, although in the heat of the moment someone might have misspoken – unlikely. “Down” means wounded. I’ve worked a lot with police in our community, I know their lingo, and I’ve just confirmed this detail with the staff sergeant at our division. Means they shot somebody.

•
A child asserts that he/she heard someone say, “Put your hands up,” followed by the reply, “Don’t shoot.” This indicates that the police took a suspect into custody inside the school. But if that was Adam Lanza, how did he kill himself after that point?

Q: Did they take Lanza into custody – or shoot him on the spot?

Taken together, this suggests to me that Lanza might not have committed suicide, but was possibly shot outright by one very, very angry police officer. As our Chief is fond of saying when an officer fails to live up to his training: “We still have to recruit from the human race…” so I can’t say I’d blame the guy, especially in a gunbattle/hostage situation involving children but this wouldn’t go down well in their report, would it? “Suicide” it is, then.

But it is possibly a discrepancy from the actual events, isn’t it? If so, somebody’s already lying.

• It’s the usual “a lone nutbar dunnit”, except that his friends all say he was active online in their LAN club. That makes it virtually impossible for him to have “no online trace”. Pah. Surely he sent messages to his friends? There’s a trail backward from their computers. Duh.

• TargeT, I take your comments about the difficulties of an amateur destroying a hard drive to heart (I am by no means a techie). And I also find it impossible to believe that a good forensic investigator (whom the gov’t would surely provide pro bono, no?) could not find at least some goodies in there.

This is highly suspect, for sure. It may be possible for a highly trained and motivated criminal to methodically destroy his hard drive prior – but the whole thrust of the rest of the story suggests furious rage and unaccountable mania on Lanza’s part, grabbing a gun and heading out to kill, not a coldblooded need to remove his own traces.

And wouldn’t erasing your hard drive – per se – indicate that it contained damaging data, that others were involved or that you’d been in communication with someone in specific terms who helped you plan the deed? Or did he expect to stand trial and exonerate himself via his missing hard drive? Low probability.

Saying “nothing there, nope” is fishy indeed.

• There’s no emotional link, no motive – so far – to Lanza targeting the school; he wasn’t “going postal” because he’d been fired from his job there, or anything. There was no custody battle for a child of his at the school, etc etc. The official storyline suggests pure, friggin’ mania/schizophrenia in a manner that no one has so far established medically.

But his behavior does resonate to that of other mass shooters, doesn’t it? Holmes in Aurora, the Beltway snipers, the Sikh temple shooter, Columbine…. Too many. Too many.

And yet again all the establishment psychiatrists can say no more than: “Lone nutbar. Who knew? Who could have predicted…?” You’d think there’d be a whole psychiatric industry in putting this new “syndrome” into the DSM by now, no?

‘Scuse me while I curl up into a tiny ball for awhile. Can’t think about this for very much longer.

Regards,

Selene

[Flash]

My WTF happened when I saw his smiling face. I'm no actor, but did he just take a few seconds to get into character?

I would be very hesitant to say that he is acting Mattymoto. I have seen my own mother, when my dad died, receiving everybody at the wake as if it were a reception for a wedding.

She was smiling and all. But inside, she was crumbling. It was her way not to completely fall down. She was sad to an extreme. She would compose herself not to show emotions, her generation was raised like that, as well as certain cultures, mainly the macho North American cow boy culture, don't you know!

THe rest of his non verbal tell me he is not acting at all.

Obama was not either when crying by the way.

[avid]

One suspect PRONE...? This was on a few out-takes.... Not DOWN...?

[Selene]

Agreed, Flash.

The death of a loved one causes a form of shock among survivors that takes a few days to subside. As Lady Bird Johnson famously remarked: "Death brings its own anesthesia."

[Referee]

Some thoughts here

The American people should wake up to this they are not?

How many False Flags will it take to awaken the people?

They jump on the bandwagon so easily!

It used to be American to store food in your basement. I always looked up to my grandparents for doing so.

Now preppers are considered terrorists. Who can not see through this I REALLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND

Guns are as American as apple pie, Grandma, Chevy Trucks and Baseball. WTF is right?!?

Frustration is an understatement

[Selene]

One suspect PRONE...? This was on a few out-takes.... Not DOWN...?

I haven't heard the actual tape, Avid. But "prone" or "down" sound very much the same - and "prone" is a sniper's term. Don't know if a small town like Sandy Hook has a trained ETF (Emergency Task Force) with trained snipers on duty 24/7 like a big city would. Interesting, though.

[modwiz]

My WTF happened when I saw his smiling face. I'm no actor, but did he just take a few seconds to get into character?

This man allegedly lost his 6 years old daughter. He is clearly smiling just before he asks "want me to start?" then he pours on the emotion after a few seconds of warm-up...


Thanks. That was confusing. I know what you mean now.

[RUSirius]

Well, I think these bastards that coordinated this whole thing, went too far (understatement of the year) and it will bite them in the ass quite soon, and I think they know it.

[avid]

Selene - I tried to destroy a computer - unscrewed tons of bits! Eventually got to the armoured hard drive (and I mean armoured) - so removed it and literally had to take an axe to it to trash it!!! It took ages to destroy. Nontheless - the trail from its existence perpetrated the web for ages... folk have caches, I just laughed! 'Twas an ancient business 'poota'. Once you're 'online' you are cached. The wittering that's lad's id had been annihilated 'by himself' is an utter joke!!! Whatever's next? LOL!!!
idahopicker (you tube trashed now) is still being threatened...? Oops! His video isn't available now!!! There's a surprise.....
Hope not! Si' thi' ;-)

[TargeT]

some of the strongest magnets I've EVER played with are inside hard drives (2 of them) I break them open just to get the magnets, they are on the edge of the platter so don't hit the axe on the edge, hit the center near the spindle so you don't break them ;)
Are you referring to the magnets described in this article: http://rack1.ul.cs.cmu.edu/rotaryvoicecoil/ ?

http://rack1.ul.cs.cmu.edu/rotaryvoicecoil/diskdissassembled1.jpg

you can see them in this picture, there are actually two pieces, you'll have to pry them off the plate they are stuck on (I usualy use a knife or putty knife, just go slow, they are very brittle) it's well worth the effor though, these suckers are S T R O N G!




• TargeT, I take your comments about the difficulties of an amateur destroying a hard drive to heart (I am by no means a techie). And I also find it impossible to believe that a good forensic investigator (whom the gov’t would surely provide pro bono, no?) could not find at least some goodies in there.

This is highly suspect, for sure. It may be possible for a highly trained and motivated criminal to methodically destroy his hard drive prior – but the whole thrust of the rest of the story suggests furious rage and unaccountable mania on Lanza’s part, grabbing a gun and heading out to kill, not a coldblooded need to remove his own traces.

And wouldn’t erasing your hard drive – per se – indicate that it contained damaging data, that others were involved or that you’d been in communication with someone in specific terms who helped you plan the deed? Or did he expect to stand trial and exonerate himself via his missing hard drive? Low probability.

Saying “nothing there, nope” is fishy indeed.

even "deleting" your hard drive is harder than most people think, unless you use software that over-writes the areas that held the data there is almost always significant amounts of data that can be recovered.
if nothing else it points to a pre-meditate act, not an out burst of rage or what ever the offical story is; but if it was pre-meditated then there should be more evidence of initial planning right? I mean he went so far as to "steal" or "copy" his brothers ID (unsure of the reason, perhaps for access?)





• There’s no emotional link, no motive – so far – to Lanza targeting the school; he wasn’t “going postal” because he’d been fired from his job there, or anything. There was no custody battle for a child of his at the school, etc etc. The official storyline suggests pure, friggin’ mania/schizophrenia in a manner that no one has so far established medically.

But his behavior does resonate to that of other mass shooters, doesn’t it? Holmes in Aurora, the Beltway snipers, the Sikh temple shooter, Columbine…. Too many. Too many.

And yet again all the establishment psychiatrists can say no more than: “Lone nutbar. Who knew? Who could have predicted…?” You’d think there’d be a whole psychiatric industry in putting this new “syndrome” into the DSM by now, no?


This is the part that gets me, where is the motive, there's ALWAYS a motive for action, that's just how humans work.






One suspect PRONE...? This was on a few out-takes.... Not DOWN...?

I haven't heard the actual tape, Avid. But "prone" or "down" sound very much the same - and "prone" is a sniper's term. Don't know if a small town like Sandy Hook has a trained ETF (Emergency Task Force) with trained snipers on duty 24/7 like a big city would. Interesting, though.

Prone also refers to when someone is spread eagle face down on the ground, or cuffed in a similar manner...


prone (prn)
adj.
1. Lying with the front or face downward.
2. Having a tendency; inclined: paper that is prone to yellowing; children who are prone to mischief.
adv.
In a prone manner: The patient was lying prone on the bed.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/prone

[Referee]

New information Reports Facebook Breaking news reported the CT shooting prior to the event actualy taking place.

fUcRBuu5aYc

[Fred Steeves]

When I saw this I did a double take WTF!!?



urrRcgB581w

Wow, I don't know what the deal is with Mr. Robbie there, but he could certainly give old Slick Willie a run for his money on getting into character when they note the camera rolling. Remember him leaving the Ron Brown funeral? I know Rush is full of a bunch of horse hockey, but he nailed this one.

Pr8Y9qguTgc

As an after thought, remember earlier when I commented how nice it would be to hear a repeater actually ask a real question? Well if you had a chance to ask one there, wouldn't you be tempted to ask something along the lines of: "Thank you Mr. Parker, and I'm very sorry for your loss. I was just wondering though sir, what was so funny as you were walking up to the microphone?"

[avid]

Found idahopickers you-tube channel quite interesting...
Now it's bed-time, more post-operative night-time-mares - recuperation takes time!!! Just keep taking the D3 5000 iu's per day plus loads of vitamin C 1000 iu's et al....
All this stuff could turn anyone back into a head-case... is that the desired affect? ;-)

[TargeT]

New information Reports Facebook Breaking news reported the CT shooting prior to the event actualy taking place.

fUcRBuu5aYc

Interesting, but I don't take random phone testimony; the circle of trust is broken....

screen shots or something more "solid" needed.

[Referee]

New information Reports Facebook Breaking news reported the CT shooting prior to the event actualy taking place.

fUcRBuu5aYc

Interesting, but I don't take random phone testimony; the circle of trust is broken....

screen shots or something more "solid" needed.

Agreed I would like to see a screen shot as well.

Anyone out there can you find one?

[shadowbox]

This thread is GARBAGE.

Stop this bull****.

I live 300 feet from the school, directly across the street. My neighbor heard multiple gunshots from my driveway.

I can tell you for certainty that this is all real.

Get a life.

[Fred Steeves]

A quick Google search revealed a much longer portion of Robbie Parker's press conference. His sister speaks first, and he comes out around the 3:15 mark. Do yo know all I could think of while watching the whole thing? For one, there is not even so much of a trace of a tear in Robbie's eyes, and maybe just a trace in his sister's. But mainly I was thinking that if my 6 year old baby girl had just been brutally murdered, I would be shell shocked, and inconsolable. I don't know how I would even be able to deal with those closest to me, much less appear in public in this manner, without just turning into one big blubbering mess.

Of note, the audio improves after about 40 seconds.

sino1wwm3cs

[ThePythonicCow]

you can see them in this picture, there are actually two pieces, you'll have to pry them off the plate they are stuck on (I usualy use a knife or putty knife, just go slow, they are very brittle) it's well worth the effor though, these suckers are S T R O N G!
They've gotten smaller. We had the arm on one of these 100 Mbyte monsters come loose, and part of it flew through the cabinet and a couple of walls before coming to a rest.

http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/vs-cdc-844-disk-storage-unit.jpg

[greybeard]

Having had a small residential home for the elderly, I can say, having experienced quite a few residents/friends departing, that the initial reaction can vary greatly.
In unexpected death there is an element of unreality-- the near relative tries to normalise things even by laughing and other inappropriate behaviour.
They dont want to take it in.
A few days latter there is a quite different reaction coming to real terms with the event.

Chris

[778 neighbour of some guy]

This thread is GARBAGE.

Stop this bull****.

I live 300 feet from the school, directly across the street. My neighbor heard multiple gunshots from my driveway.

I can tell you for certainty that this is all real.

Get a life.

Do you perhaps have a camera and are willing to give a live update from the scene to at least shed some on sight light on the situation?

I apologise in advance if i am being rude by asking but you seem to be the only member of this forum who can provide this kind of information at this point in time in real time.

Regards and i hope peace returns to your neighbourhood as soon as possible.

[ThePythonicCow]

I live 300 feet from the school, directly across the street. My neighbor heard multiple gunshots from my driveway.
Most variations we're considering do indeed involve gun fire, quite a bit of gun fire.

Any idea approximately how many shots your neighbor heard?

[RUSirius]

This thread is GARBAGE.

Stop this bull****.

I live 300 feet from the school, directly across the street. My neighbor heard multiple gunshots from my driveway.

I can tell you for certainty that this is all real.

Get a life.

I think this a VERY REAL too, just the reasons behind that may not be, did not mean to upset you.

[TargeT]

I live 300 feet from the school, directly across the street. My neighbor heard multiple gunshots from my driveway.
Most variations we're considering do indeed involve gun fire, quite a bit of gun fire.

Any idea approximately how many shots your neighbor heard?

if the reports of ".223 shells all over" are accurate then it should have sounded like very rapid popcorn popping (depending on trees/mountains/buildings for the sound to bounce off of) if the shots were fired out side, if they were fired inside (and from a hand gun) they wouldn't really be audible from 300ft away through a building (unless windows were shot out & your drive way is facing the "two classrooms" that the shooting was done in.


the number of shots fired (or even approximation) would be very useful

[SilentFeathers]

When I saw this I did a double take WTF!!?



urrRcgB581w

I am doing a WTF too. I got nothing from this. Sounded like he said, "My name's Robbie Parker". It then ends. WTF?

Here's another double take....

_tmy3D6KK1Y

[observer]

From comment #1.

[....snip]
"Since the alleged shooter’s father is VP of GE Capital, and (like “Batman shooter” James Holmes’s father) was scheduled to testify at the Senate Hearings on the LIBOR scandal, is there a LIBOR connection to this event?"



This is the most significant point on the entire list.


From comment #6.
[....snip]
"Something stinks, we don't know what, but given the history of such events, and given the chronic dishonesty of both our public officials and our news sources, it seems almost certain to me that what really happened is not what we're being told, and seems rather likely that what really happened is substantially more sinister than what we're being told."
[....snip]


The point that I quoted from Paul comment #1 is what stinks. The internet is buzzing with this very significant connection. I even heard it on the local talk radio station on my way home from work. This LIBOR scandal involves the top bankers from the soverign state known as The City in downtown London.

The fact that the father's of both of these boys, Holmes and Lanza, were scheduled to testify before a Senate Banking Committee, where their testimony could have a negative effect on some of the most influential international banksters cannot be ignored by the major media. This fact alone is the "smoking gun".

[sdv]

The fact that the father's of both of these boys, Holmes and Lanza, were scheduled to testify before a banking committee of Congress where their testimony could have a negative effect on some of the most influential international banksters cannot be ignored by the major media. This fact alone is the "smoking gun".

This is a flasehood so can we please stop repeating it. Neither men were sheduled to testify before a banking committe. Neither men have anything to do with setting LIBOR rates in the jobs they do.

[observer]

The fact that the father's of both of these boys, Holmes and Lanza, were scheduled to testify before a banking committee of Congress where their testimony could have a negative effect on some of the most influential international banksters cannot be ignored by the major media. This fact alone is the "smoking gun".

This is a flasehood so can we please stop repeating it. Neither men were sheduled to testify before a banking committe. Neither men have anything to do with setting LIBOR rates in the jobs they do.


http://www.examiner.com/article/libor-scandal-reveals-frightening-connection-to-mass-shootings-of-2012 [Edit again: Try this one.]

http://beforeitsnews.com/economics-and-politics/2012/12/2-mass-shootings-connected-to-libor-2447738.html

[778 neighbour of some guy]

http://www.examiner.com/article/libor-scandal-grows-as-the-fathers-of-two-mass-murderers-were-to-testify[Edit: Strange, it just worked a minute ago]

http://beforeitsnews.com/economics-and-politics/2012/12/2-mass-shootings-connected-to-libor-2447738.html

From the before its news link

Not watched it yet, just posting, when BS just dump the video please.

Gui-VRT_YZo

[TargeT]

The fact that the father's of both of these boys, Holmes and Lanza, were scheduled to testify before a banking committee of Congress where their testimony could have a negative effect on some of the most influential international banksters cannot be ignored by the major media. This fact alone is the "smoking gun".

This is a flasehood so can we please stop repeating it. Neither men were sheduled to testify before a banking committe. Neither men have anything to do with setting LIBOR rates in the jobs they do.

I couldn't find anything on either that they were set to testify... Robert Holmes certainly didn't seem to be & the rumor that he was set to testify started from one blog IIRC & he never responded to inquiry.

[modwiz]

When I saw this I did a double take WTF!!?



urrRcgB581w

I am doing a WTF too. I got nothing from this. Sounded like he said, "My name's Robbie Parker". It then ends. WTF?

Here's another double take....

_tmy3D6KK1Y

Wow, SG. I am glad I took the one minute to view this. It helps to explain the grin in the other vid and let us know that our eyes and bullsh!t detectors are not failing us. I hope other will spare a minute to look at this video. I don't see dead people, except in spirit.

[Flash]

i would really like to know about REAAAL discrepancies, not sheer disgraceful stupidities about how one should react while losing their child. Add to the insult the title of the "family known as the bullcrap", i would want to shoot you if i were the dad or mom.

How much lack of empathy will I see in that thread before you make sense and take a hold on yourself guys.

Gosh, I do not want to be near any of you if anything were to happens here to my family, because I DO NOT KNOW HOW I WOULD REACT, BUT I KNOW HOW YOU WOULD.

And forget being lost with no food while the earth is burning. How would you then justify this lack of empathy?

We are here, on Avalon, talking in and out, constantly, about the no empathy 1%, and I see those bitching at the bankers not being much better right now.

Now, if you can stop looking like small petty bitches and look at real discrepancies, the story may get some meat on, because there is real discrepancies that the lack of empathy I see here does not help uncovering.

Gosh, guys, do you need mommie to kick up your adolescent butt.

And if you decide to dislike me forever for this post, which i would not be surprised from teenagers behaviors, be it. YOU JUST MAKE NO SENSE HITTING THE PARENTS OF DEAD CHILDREN.

It is not because they are videos found on the web that the behavior is ok.


EDIT: we have someone on this forum living at 300 feets from the shooting. There is nothing easier for her than check is "bullcrap" family does exist and if so, did they lose their child. Instead of contiuing on created bullcrap on this forum why not ask her. Staff at the corner store would probably tell her.

[sdv]

Observer, it takes very little academic training to recognise an unreliable source. Fabian4liberty is the source for your second reference (the first is a dead link). Fabian4liberty (not using his/her real name, although claims to have run for office in the USA) says: Lanza and Holmes were and still are key witnesses in the LIBOR scandal. They hold critical information that would blow the lid off the biggest banker fraud in the history of the world.

The lid has already been blown on this fraud in the UK. Is there even a hearing scheduled in the USA? NO.

Banks set LIBOR rates. Neither men work for a bank. Even if there was a hearing scheduled in the USA (which there isn't) there is no reason why these two men would be on a list of witnesses.

[TargeT]

YOU JUST MAKE NO SENSE HITTING THE PARENTS OF DEAD CHILDREN.


Alleged parents of dead children... what I've seen so far would not hold up in a court of law, what have you seen that's different?

are you emotionally attached to this idea?






When I saw this I did a double take WTF!!?



urrRcgB581w

I am doing a WTF too. I got nothing from this. Sounded like he said, "My name's Robbie Parker". It then ends. WTF?

Here's another double take....

_tmy3D6KK1Y

Wow, SG. I am glad I took the one minute to view this. It helps to explain the grin in the other vid and let us know that our eyes and bullsh!t detectors are not failing us. I hope other will spare a minute to look at this video. I don't see dead people, except in spirit.

and the kids are wearing wearing red/black/white in both photo's and the video (long known to be the colors of satanism, they are WIDELY prevalant in the musical industry with upwards of 70+% of "new artists" using these colors pirmarily).... interesting.

[modwiz]

This thread is GARBAGE.

Stop this bull****.

I live 300 feet from the school, directly across the street. My neighbor heard multiple gunshots from my driveway.

I can tell you for certainty that this is all real.

Get a life.

Do you perhaps have a camera and are willing to give a live update from the scene to at least shed some on sight light on the situation?

I apologise in advance if i am being rude by asking but you seem to be the only member of this forum who can provide this kind of information at this point in time in real time.

Regards and i hope peace returns to your neighbourhood as soon as possible.

Even here, it is not the poster but "a neighbor" who heard the shots. We are still a few degrees of separation from things. The poster you responded to may live 300 yards away but the evidence is not the posters, but the word of a neighbor. This fact is not incriminating, but it is frustrating. There is still a veil. Watching the video Silent feathers posted is incriminating. Very incriminating. For our president as well.

[modwiz]

I live 300 feet from the school, directly across the street. My neighbor heard multiple gunshots from my driveway.
Most variations we're considering do indeed involve gun fire, quite a bit of gun fire.

Any idea approximately how many shots your neighbor heard?

if the reports of ".223 shells all over" are accurate then it should have sounded like very rapid popcorn popping (depending on trees/mountains/buildings for the sound to bounce off of) if the shots were fired out side, if they were fired inside (and from a hand gun) they wouldn't really be audible from 300ft away through a building (unless windows were shot out & your drive way is facing the "two classrooms" that the shooting was done in.


the number of shots fired (or even approximation) would be very useful

Ever play telephone? Our forum member heard the voice of a neighbor saying they heard shots. If I were there, unless I was consciously counting the shots, as they were fired, I could only give a rough, and maybe very inaccurate estimate. My first brain functions would be caught up in discerning what I was hearing, not counting.

[SilentFeathers]

Wow, SG. I am glad I took the one minute to view this. It helps to explain the grin in the other vid and let us know that our eyes and bullsh!t detectors are not failing us. I hope other will spare a minute to look at this video. I don't see dead people, except in spirit.

add to the MAJOR DISCREPANCIES LIST

There is stuff spewing out from every direction right now...will have to see what the language is in the legislation they write up and pass. (it's probably already written up months ago).

[Kristin]

My WTF happened when I saw his smiling face. I'm no actor, but did he just take a few seconds to get into character?

This man allegedly lost his 6 years old daughter. He is clearly smiling just before he asks "want me to start?" then he pours on the emotion after a few seconds of warm-up...

I see that everyday with the work that I do... that is exactly what I thought was going on, exactly.
From the Heart,
Kristin

[Flash]

Gosh Modwiz, you know as well as i that in such circumstances, in a place where everybody knows about everybody, you just go to the gaz station or the corner store and get the real stories.

Her neighbor heard the gunshots, good enough. Now, did anyone saw that family prior to the shooting and is there any funerals planned and did the kid existed. So easy to ask around in a smooth voice, non journalists know how to do it.

To me, this thread is crap right now, even if it were not the intention of the OP and even if there is real reasons for thinking it was a set up.

target, what you have seen would not hold up in a court of law! Does the dad have to be in the court of law??? For the rest, I do agree, by the way, your posts about the REAL crap on the "no trace" of the alleged killer are excellent. Why not going where the real stuff is.

Alleged killer, alledge lone nut, alleged freak unpredictable situation, alleged about anything, but alleged parents?? You cannot fake 20 parents + 6 families losing someone, in a small community. No more than you can fake that the people that boarded those planes in 911 did disappear - where is another question that should be looked at.

Stop losing time on parents and start looking at the real stuff.

[DeDukshyn]

I seem to remember that the magnetic disk, HD were what was smashed to bits (when I say computer I mean that part and not the outside furniture, and assumed that everyone understood - sorry!)


I've worked in classified areas and one of my duties was hard drive distruction, I also happen to be trained in forensic data recovery.

Unless you've had the practice I have I CHALLANGE you to "smash to bits" this piece of hardware beyond a recoverable state:
http://hothardware.com/articleimages/Item1615/small_bg_angle1.jpg
These are litteraly almost metal brick
I know how, but I've probably destroyed 150+ hard drives, Fire isn't enough, Water isn't enough... what would YOU do?







The real eye and mind opener is asking ourselves, did anyone, or the numbers mentioned, die..................yet?
The big ritual is still a couple of days off. The reported story is very sick. The possible real story is at a level that many will just block out.

Are you implying that those kids are on their way to a mass ritual killing somewhere, right now?..... OMG !

Implying is risky business. I am thinking out loud, based on things that are part of my inner data base. However, you did get my drift.
We have a new Winter storm named Draco in the USA, talking about drifts. They have taken to naming Winter storms. I helps them form better. If they get any real attention it can feed them. The satanists and more of their magic. Only works with a magically, and other ways, ignorant populace.

Fortunately, they do not get to practice their dark arts totally unopposed.

Ain't that right, Rocky?

This has been my thought, especially with the children involved, now I do not know enough to say this is a certainty...

have parents seen bodies, has ANYONE?

were the funerals open or closed casket, cremations?

are not ALL "wrongful deaths" required to have an autopsy; are they on file now, were they completed this quickly?

The German company hired for data recover on 9/11 was actually able to get enough data to reveal insider trading all leading up to the event -- after everything was "dustified" with exotic weapons, no less.

Smashing the computer on the ground will not erase any data as Raf and Target have shared -- especially if it has a flash drive. Even mechanical drives can just have their platters pulled and installed into a new drive -- easy stuff. To think that smashing a computer erases data is for the uneducated and brainwashed.

On Modwiz' comment, unfortunately, my intuition agrees with yours ... there will be an energy war on this 21st -- the Satanists are preparing for their rituals ... this may well be a part of that preparation ... sigh.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

This thread is GARBAGE.

Stop this bull****.

I live 300 feet from the school, directly across the street. My neighbor heard multiple gunshots from my driveway.

I can tell you for certainty that this is all real.

Get a life.

Do you perhaps have a camera and are willing to give a live update from the scene to at least shed some on sight light on the situation?

I apologise in advance if i am being rude by asking but you seem to be the only member of this forum who can provide this kind of information at this point in time in real time.

Regards and i hope peace returns to your neighbourhood as soon as possible.

Even here, it is not the poster but "a neighbor" who heard the shots. We are still a few degrees of separation from things. The poster you responded to may live 300 yards away but the evidence is not the posters, but the word of a neighbor. This fact is not incriminating, but it is frustrating. There is still a veil. Watching the video Silent feathers posted is incriminating. Very incriminating. For our president as well.


Very true Mod, yet someone living across the street from the scene of the ""slime/ crime" pictures or video would be helpfull and non edited i think, its a few days ago allready, but any "ödd"gov activity taking place could get caught on camera, however i fear its to late for that, the best info is probably in the images and soundbites taken shortly after the facts took place. Remember the images of building 7 and the poorly timed reporting of that by the BBC.

[TargeT]

Stop losing time on parents and start looking at the real stuff.

I'm just trying out ideas, like hats, see what feels right and what doesn't; I do not deny myself any certain style of hat.

I do not think I am doing anything I would not want to be done were I a victim of this crime (I'm a father also, I have a beautiful little 5 year old girl waiting at home for me as we speak) now if I was throwing eggs at their house or protesting with signs I could see some affront, exploring ideas is pretty harmless & I do not mean to offend.

however there are things that beg attention and a second look.. Those videos are very valid to me, VERY.


The parents are the key to emotional motivation, there HAS to be a victim for the formula we are (very probably) seeing run here Problem: Reaction (the parents are a part of the guided reaction) : Solution

[modwiz]

Wow, SG. I am glad I took the one minute to view this. It helps to explain the grin in the other vid and let us know that our eyes and bullsh!t detectors are not failing us. I hope other will spare a minute to look at this video. I don't see dead people, except in spirit.

add to the MAJOR DISCREPANCIES LIST

There is stuff spewing out from every direction right now...will have to see what the language is in the legislation they write up and pass. (it's probably already written up months ago).

There is a problem here. After 9/11 the majority of Americans, myself included initially, fell for the official story. As this thread demonstrates, this still happens. People sighed with relief over the passage of the Patriot act and the initial heightened airport security. Sufficient USA travelers still believe the official 9/11 story to still believe it is better to be irradiated than hijacked by Mooslims. The 2nd amendment is something that reminds people that government may not be trustworthy. Very conservative Americans who backed the Patriot act and all kinds of things start breathing different air when it comes to giving up their guns. Most would give up their clothes first.

So, I agree they have a law already written, but they don't want to start a war passing it. I see all kinds of questions from the cesspits wanting input from Americans about what they think about guns. They are tasked with taking the pulse. Guns may actually unite this country. Liberals who always backed gun control will take another look. Conservatives who always backed their guvmint will also take a good hard look. While both sides are looking they might find each other and a common cause. A real one, not the fake political thing in the UK.

[Flash]

My WTF happened when I saw his smiling face. I'm no actor, but did he just take a few seconds to get into character?

This man allegedly lost his 6 years old daughter. He is clearly smiling just before he asks "want me to start?" then he pours on the emotion after a few seconds of warm-up...

I see that everyday with the work that I do... that is exactly what I thought was going on, exactly.
From the Heart,
Kristin

this is the most unclear post I ever read from you Kristen. What do you see everyday, in whick kind of work and what did you think exactly? Which part of those what questions relate to the previous post by Mattymoto.

[modwiz]

This thread is GARBAGE.

Stop this bull****.

I live 300 feet from the school, directly across the street. My neighbor heard multiple gunshots from my driveway.

I can tell you for certainty that this is all real.

Get a life.

Do you perhaps have a camera and are willing to give a live update from the scene to at least shed some on sight light on the situation?

I apologise in advance if i am being rude by asking but you seem to be the only member of this forum who can provide this kind of information at this point in time in real time.

Regards and i hope peace returns to your neighbourhood as soon as possible.

Even here, it is not the poster but "a neighbor" who heard the shots. We are still a few degrees of separation from things. The poster you responded to may live 300 yards away but the evidence is not the posters, but the word of a neighbor. This fact is not incriminating, but it is frustrating. There is still a veil. Watching the video Silent feathers posted is incriminating. Very incriminating. For our president as well.


Very true Mod, yet someone living across the street from the scene of the ""slime/ crime" pictures or video would be helpfull and non edited i think, its a few days ago allready, but any "ödd"gov activity taking place could get caught on camera, however i fear its to late for that, the best info is probably in the images and soundbites taken shortly after the facts took place. Remember the images of building 7 and the poorly timed reporting of that by the BBC.

Any valid information will come from raw reports that happened in real time before official control and twisting of the story can happen.
I think the Colorado shooting was on a Friday too. Depending on how you count your days, it is the 6th day of the week for some. Also, Friday, or Viernes in Spanish is the day of Venus. Also associated with the morning star also known as Lucifer.

Meaningless trivia.

[Kristin]

Gosh Modwiz, you know as well as i that in such circumstances, in a place where everybody knows about everybody, you just go to the gaz station or the corner store and get the real stories.

Her neighbor heard the gunshots, good enough. Now, did anyone saw that family prior to the shooting and is there any funerals planned and did the kid existed. So easy to ask around in a smooth voice, non journalists know how to do it.

To me, this thread is crap right now, even if it were not the intention of the OP and even if there is real reasons for thinking it was a set up.

target, what you have seen would not hold up in a court of law! Does the dad have to be in the court of law??? For the rest, I do agree, by the way, your posts about the REAL crap on the "no trace" of the alleged killer are excellent. Why not going where the real stuff is.

Alleged killer, alledge lone nut, alleged freak unpredictable situation, alleged about anything, but alleged parents?? You cannot fake 20 parents + 6 families losing someone, in a small community. No more than you can fake that the people that boarded those planes in 911 did disappear - where is another question that should be looked at.

Stop losing time on parents and start looking at the real stuff.

I thought about all of that too Flash, and I was reticent to reply to this thread. When you go through the tragedy of loosing a child, you can't pull character. I've never seen anything like this. Something is wrong here, I know it in my bones. But Ok, let's look at it from another perspective... he was able to forget the tragedy and have a good time meeting people before he went back into his moment... he's just a really nice guy. I've been working in the entertainment business for over 25 years. I professionally watch people go into and out of character. I have also been personally involved with tragedy and death. Including Katrina on a very personal level. I've never seen anything like this from anyone in reality. It's weird. But I have seen this thousands of times over when emotions are staged. That is not enough to implicate anyone, no. Nor is it enough to make a judgement. True that. I agree all the way. But, I'm telling you. It is enough for me personally with my experiences to take a step back and say from my point of view that this is odd, more then odd. It's really strange. I do not get it, not at all. "WTF" is a a very normal response to me.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[ThePythonicCow]

I know when I've had close relatives die, I have a propensity for gallows humor, which I make some effort to suppress around other friends and family that I suspect wouldn't appreciate it. I also don't have a particularly quick ability to read other people's emotions, especially if I don't know them well.

So I didn't get much concerned over that Dad's seemingly inappropriate behavior, smiling at the wrong time.

On the other hand, however, I'm sure that there are some on this forum who are quite good at reading other people's emotions, and who would have good reason, if they sensed that Dad's emotions to be false, to trust that sense.

As usual, I am left sifting through the clues, for what makes sense to me.

[Kristin]

My WTF happened when I saw his smiling face. I'm no actor, but did he just take a few seconds to get into character?

This man allegedly lost his 6 years old daughter. He is clearly smiling just before he asks "want me to start?" then he pours on the emotion after a few seconds of warm-up...

I see that everyday with the work that I do... that is exactly what I thought was going on, exactly.
From the Heart,
Kristin

this is the most unclear post I ever read from you Kristen. What do you see everyday, in whick kind of work and what did you think exactly? Which part of those what questions relate to the previous post by Mattymoto.

I was responding to you at the same time you were writing your last post Flash, I thought you (and others) would want to know where I was coming from.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53271-The-Sandy-Hook-Newtown-Massacre--the-MAJOR-DISCREPANCIES-LIST&p=601407&viewfull=1#post601407
From the Heart,
Kristin

[ulli]

Hearing shots does not mean that the official story is true. Just like people at the Pentagon on 9/11 saw a low flying plane hit the building...when it could have been a missile that struck the building, while a small plane flew overhead exactly at that moment.

[SilentFeathers]

I know when I've had close relatives die, I have a propensity for gallows humor, which I make some effort to suppress around other friends and family that I suspect wouldn't appreciate it. I also don't have a particularly quick ability to read other people's emotions, especially if I don't know them well.

So I didn't get much concerned over that Dad's seemingly inappropriate behavior, smiling at the wrong time.

On the other hand, however, I'm sure that there are some on this forum who are quite good at reading other people's emotions, and who would have good reason, if they sensed that Dad's emotions to be false, to trust that sense.

As usual, I am left sifting through the clues, for what makes sense to me.

Yes, we all cope with stress/tragedy in different ways, this father though looked like an actor trying out for a part IMO, it surely looked like he didn't think the camera was rolling and then he obviously looked like he was psyching himself up before he started his "script".

I could be reading him wrong but I doubt it.....

I think most of us surely sense something is horribly wrong about this whole event, seems like Benghazi on steroids to me....

[Referee]

Fox news silent on Gun Control Banned from debate

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[modwiz]

I know when I've had close relatives die, I have a propensity for gallows humor, which I make some effort to suppress around other friends and family that I suspect wouldn't appreciate it. I also don't have a particularly quick ability to read other people's emotions, especially if I don't know them well.

So I didn't get much concerned over that Dad's seemingly inappropriate behavior, smiling at the wrong time.

On the other hand, however, I'm sure that there are some on this forum who are quite good at reading other people's emotions, and who would have good reason, if they sensed that Dad's emotions to be false, to trust that sense.

As usual, I am left sifting through the clues, for what makes sense to me.

Yes, we all cope with stress/tragedy in different ways, this father though looked like an actor trying out for a part IMO, it surely looked like he didn't think the camera was rolling and then he obviously looked like he was psyching himself up before he started his "script".

I could be reading him wrong but I doubt it.....

I think most of us surely sense something is horribly wrong about this whole event, seems like Benghazi on steroids to me....

The video you posted, the bullcrap one with Obama. The body english of the whole family says all you need to know. Same goes for O. There is not one bit of burden/grief in their neuro-muscular systems. They were meeting the Prez and it was party time. Prez was not wearing the weight of a national tragedy in/on his body either. Faces show no sign of strain from putting on a mask. I wonder how long the video stays up?

I do want to acknowledge a horrible tragedy. I am sure some have lost children. The numbers of children who are no longer with their families may be correct. Where they are is another question. If you know about the weasel wording of admiralty law and how it seems to say one thing, you will begin to enter the kind of thought processes used against us.

These families have the support of friends and loved ones and are besides themselves with grief. Those of us with no skin in this particular game need to keep our wits about us. Tearing away the veils of deceit is a group effort. We will keep guard as those who must mourn do so.

[Flash]

Paul: On the other hand, however, I'm sure that there are some on this forum who are quite good at reading other people's emotions, and who would have good reason, if they sensed that Dad's emotions to be false, to trust that sense.


Yes, here, I have almost finished years of training in the non verbal language. I will look at the video again but I have seen nothing up to now that makes me think that he had no pain or that it was fake. And, I have years of observing people in group settings.

[Hervé]

From Carolyn Hamlett via http://www.henrymakow.com/:



I speak from my experience of being born and raised in the globalist organization, taught this plan to take over America and bring America to ruin.

When I was a small child in the 1950's, I knew these types of shootings would be happening just prior to the beginning of the planned chaos.

I also know that the globalist organization has been programming multitudes of individuals at least since the early 1950's, to be triggered to perpetrate the planned chaos in America and in other locations throughout the world.

Many of these programmed people are what I call "sleepers" because they are totally unaware that they have been programmed.

The programming is dormant until the inner clock is triggered which engages the program. I believe that the movie, "Avatar" contains such triggers. I haven't seen the Batman movie, but I suspect it also contains triggers.


GLOBALISTS AIM TO DISARM AMERICANS

The globalist aim to enact strict gun laws and to finally disarm Americans. This has been a target goal for many years. Until the globalist enact strict gun laws, Americans can expect to be seeing more shootings, not just in schools, but in other public places, like malls, parks, libraries, religious meeting places, possibly subways and even airports.

Such "false flag" events were planned many many years ago in order to instill fear in Americans so that they would be more willing to disarm themselves rather than be forced by the globalist to disarm. As a last resort, firearms will be taken by force.

These planned shootings are also a means to motivate Americans to look to their globalist-run government as their source of security and to see other Americans as their enemy, not the globalist-run government who is the real enemy of the people. The globalists want Americans to turn against each other and to be spies and snitches. "Patriotism" is being redefined before our sleeping American eyes.

Keep in mind that if the globalists benefited by having Americans armed, then the globalists would be pulling off numerous "false flag" attacks in America that would be thwarted by well armed citizens and of course would be widely publicized. The fact is that there are many armed citizens whose quick thinking has saved many lives.

However, the fact is that gun ownership by American citizens is dangerous to our globalist-run government.

Think about this, what soldier would not fear entering a country where most of it's citizens are armed? Think about the power of the globalist run mainstream media and how easily Americans could be influenced to support the benefits of having more guns, not fewer.

Taking guns away will not stop the criminals, but it will stop Americans from protecting themselves against the criminals who will always have plenty of weapons.

The truth is that our government IS the terrorist organization that wants to take down America and they need to disarm Americans first.

Their first step in disarming Americans has been successful: we are no longer a thinking, reasoning society with all the facts. The next step is obvious.

A final point I wish for you all to consider:

Research all the laws that have been passed since September 11, 2001 and ask yourself what is keeping our globalist-run government from enforcing all those laws. The answer should also be quite obvious.


Full, original article: http://beyondthephysical.blogspot.ca/2012/12/the-shootings-globalists-and-gun.html

[observer]

Observer, it takes very little academic training to recognise an unreliable source. Fabian4liberty is the source for your second reference (the first is a dead link). Fabian4liberty (not using his/her real name, although claims to have run for office in the USA) says: Lanza and Holmes were and still are key witnesses in the LIBOR scandal. They hold critical information that would blow the lid off the biggest banker fraud in the history of the world.

The lid has already been blown on this fraud in the UK. Is there even a hearing scheduled in the USA? NO.

Banks set LIBOR rates. Neither men work for a bank. Even if there was a hearing scheduled in the USA (which there isn't) there is no reason why these two men would be on a list of witnesses.

I take offense to your 'cheap-shot' regarding "academic training", sdv.

If you had taken the time to read my comment #79 prior to firing-off your condescending remark #86 which includes the "academic training" rhetoric, you would have seen I clearly spoke the words:

From comment #79.
"I even heard it on the local talk radio station on my way home from work."

The fact is, I was listening to a Delaware Radio Station. I live on the Jersey Cape so this talk radio station comes in clear. The caller was speaking of an article that was in a Delaware Newspaper. Not being from Delaware, nor knowing the names of any of their newspapers, I wasn't able to provide a link directly to that paper.

However, I was able to quickly find several other links, the first of which apparently didn't work when I first posted it. Upon correcting that first link, I saw you had made your insulting remark, without any further study of what I was reporting.

I reiterate, the internet is buzzing with this information, and there is no reason to believe what you are reporting as a contradiction is, in fact, the false reporting. The WGMD all talk radio station report I heard on my way home from work was the basis for why I made the original comment.

Like many of the other members, I'm simply trying to get to the bottom of this horrific event without the 'mud-slinging' rhetoric.

[Flash]

Gosh Modwiz, you know as well as i that in such circumstances, in a place where everybody knows about everybody, you just go to the gaz station or the corner store and get the real stories.

Her neighbor heard the gunshots, good enough. Now, did anyone saw that family prior to the shooting and is there any funerals planned and did the kid existed. So easy to ask around in a smooth voice, non journalists know how to do it.

To me, this thread is crap right now, even if it were not the intention of the OP and even if there is real reasons for thinking it was a set up.

target, what you have seen would not hold up in a court of law! Does the dad have to be in the court of law??? For the rest, I do agree, by the way, your posts about the REAL crap on the "no trace" of the alleged killer are excellent. Why not going where the real stuff is.

Alleged killer, alledge lone nut, alleged freak unpredictable situation, alleged about anything, but alleged parents?? You cannot fake 20 parents + 6 families losing someone, in a small community. No more than you can fake that the people that boarded those planes in 911 did disappear - where is another question that should be looked at.

Stop losing time on parents and start looking at the real stuff.

I thought about all of that too Flash, and I was reticent to reply to this thread. When you go through the tragedy of loosing a child, you can't pull character. I've never seen anything like this. Something is wrong here, I know it in my bones. But Ok, let's look at it from another perspective... he was able to forget the tragedy and have a good time meeting people before he went back into his moment... he's just a really nice guy. I've been working in the entertainment business for over 25 years. I professionally watch people go into and out of character. I have also been personally involved with tragedy and death. Including Katrina on a very personal level. I've never seen anything like this from anyone in reality. It's weird. But I have seen this thousands of times over when emotions are staged. That is not enough to implicate anyone, no. Nor is it enough to make a judgement. True that. I agree all the way. But, I'm telling you. It is enough for me personally with my experiences to take a step back and say from my point of view that this is odd, more then odd. It's really strange. I do not get it, not at all. "WTF" is a a very normal response to me.

From the Heart,
Kristin

Ok i truly respect this point of view. It is not based on first apperances, although I do not agree with it in its entirety.

[SilentFeathers]

I know when I've had close relatives die, I have a propensity for gallows humor, which I make some effort to suppress around other friends and family that I suspect wouldn't appreciate it. I also don't have a particularly quick ability to read other people's emotions, especially if I don't know them well.

So I didn't get much concerned over that Dad's seemingly inappropriate behavior, smiling at the wrong time.

On the other hand, however, I'm sure that there are some on this forum who are quite good at reading other people's emotions, and who would have good reason, if they sensed that Dad's emotions to be false, to trust that sense.

As usual, I am left sifting through the clues, for what makes sense to me.

Yes, we all cope with stress/tragedy in different ways, this father though looked like an actor trying out for a part IMO, it surely looked like he didn't think the camera was rolling and then he obviously looked like he was psyching himself up before he started his "script".

I could be reading him wrong but I doubt it.....

I think most of us surely sense something is horribly wrong about this whole event, seems like Benghazi on steroids to me....

The video you posted, the bullcrap one with Obama. The body english of the whole family says all you need to know. Same goes for O. There is not one bit of burden/grief in their neuro-muscular systems. They were meeting the Prez and it was party time. Prez was not wearing the weight of a national tragedy in/on his body either. Faces show no sign of strain from putting on a mask. I wonder how long the video stays up?

I do want to acknowledge a horrible tragedy. I am sure some have lost children. The numbers of children who are no longer with their families may be correct. Where they are is another question. If you know about the weasel wording of admiralty law and how it seems to say one thing, you will begin to enter the kind of thought processes used against us.

These families have the support of friends and loved ones and are besides themselves with grief. Those of us with no skin in this particular game need to keep our wits about us. Tearing away the veils of deceit is a group effort. We will keep guard as those who must mourn do so.

There's a few other videos I watched that have the same contradicting behavior in them. Some have already been taken down from youtube.

There's quite a few of us here who have "detective" like minds and see things from many angles, if there's a turd in the pile of milk duds, someone here will surely find it.......some of us already spotted a few turds, seems to be many more of them to be spotted.

Thinking about all those children being snuffed out or "taken" though really breaks my heart and pisses me off.......

Too many holes in this whole story and it's getting more weird every day, they may have to distract people with another event before they really get caught with their hands in this cookie jar......

[jagman]

I don't know if this has been posted yet? So sorry in advance. Shepard Smith just reported that Adam Lanza mother was going to have Adam put into a mental facility.

[ThePythonicCow]

Observer, it takes very little academic training to recognise an unreliable source.


I take offense to your 'cheap-shot' regarding "academic training", sdv.

May I suggest we notice how Flash and Kristin just made sense of a similar difference in what they thought they were hearing or seeing.

[Flash]

Ok guys, I will send the father's video of the dad, both, the speech and the meeting with Obama, to my teacher. They will probably look at it from a professional point of view, may be with interest, and I will ask her to get back to me.

These guys (her and the associates) receive videos from all over the world, mainly from interpol and RCMP, and others..., to be visualised to determine where and why the guy lies, or who knows who for example, who is the real boss in mafia groups, or where they put the god dam bodies the cops are looking for. They are world experts.

As soon as I get news, I will let you know what she answered. If I am wrong, I will admit to it.

Edit: it is Christmas, it may take a few days if she is in Montreal.

[Flash]

For all non Americans, who do not understand the relationship American have with their guns, this is amongst the best writing I have seen explaining it in a cool head, near to the true feeling, of what America means when they want to be armed. Seen with their eyes, it makes sense. Seen from ours, it does not (know that Americans, the rest of the world has difficulties to make sense out of this guns attitude).


From Carolyn Hamlett via http://www.henrymakow.com/:



I speak from my experience of being born and raised in the globalist organization, taught this plan to take over America and bring America to ruin.

When I was a small child in the 1950's, I knew these types of shootings would be happening just prior to the beginning of the planned chaos.

I also know that the globalist organization has been programming multitudes of individuals at least since the early 1950's, to be triggered to perpetrate the planned chaos in America and in other locations throughout the world.

Many of these programmed people are what I call "sleepers" because they are totally unaware that they have been programmed.

The programming is dormant until the inner clock is triggered which engages the program. I believe that the movie, "Avatar" contains such triggers. I haven't seen the Batman movie, but I suspect it also contains triggers.


GLOBALISTS AIM TO DISARM AMERICANS

The globalist aim to enact strict gun laws and to finally disarm Americans. This has been a target goal for many years. Until the globalist enact strict gun laws, Americans can expect to be seeing more shootings, not just in schools, but in other public places, like malls, parks, libraries, religious meeting places, possibly subways and even airports.

Such "false flag" events were planned many many years ago in order to instill fear in Americans so that they would be more willing to disarm themselves rather than be forced by the globalist to disarm. As a last resort, firearms will be taken by force.

These planned shootings are also a means to motivate Americans to look to their globalist-run government as their source of security and to see other Americans as their enemy, not the globalist-run government who is the real enemy of the people. The globalists want Americans to turn against each other and to be spies and snitches. "Patriotism" is being redefined before our sleeping American eyes.

Keep in mind that if the globalists benefited by having Americans armed, then the globalists would be pulling off numerous "false flag" attacks in America that would be thwarted by well armed citizens and of course would be widely publicized. The fact is that there are many armed citizens whose quick thinking has saved many lives.

However, the fact is that gun ownership by American citizens is dangerous to our globalist-run government.

Think about this, what soldier would not fear entering a country where most of it's citizens are armed? Think about the power of the globalist run mainstream media and how easily Americans could be influenced to support the benefits of having more guns, not fewer.

Taking guns away will not stop the criminals, but it will stop Americans from protecting themselves against the criminals who will always have plenty of weapons.

The truth is that our government IS the terrorist organization that wants to take down America and they need to disarm Americans first.

Their first step in disarming Americans has been successful: we are no longer a thinking, reasoning society with all the facts. The next step is obvious.

A final point I wish for you all to consider:

Research all the laws that have been passed since September 11, 2001 and ask yourself what is keeping our globalist-run government from enforcing all those laws. The answer should also be quite obvious.


Full, original article: http://beyondthephysical.blogspot.ca/2012/12/the-shootings-globalists-and-gun.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

Observer, it takes very little academic training to recognise an unreliable source.


I take offense to your 'cheap-shot' regarding "academic training", sdv.

May I suggest we notice how Flash and Kristin just made sense of a similar difference in what they thought they were hearing or seeing.

just a hint, any time we are in heavy discussion of mind control, they look for little irks they can turn into pet peaves...

we're dancing a tightrope again, so keep an eye on emotions...

we're all friends...

[SilentFeathers]

I don't know if this has been posted yet? So sorry in advance. Shepard Smith just reported that Adam Lanza mother was going to have Adam put into a mental facility.

The DRUDGE Report has this across the top of their website right now....

PSYCHO: 'FEAR OF BEING COMMITTED' CAUSED HIM TO SNAP

[modwiz]

There's a few other videos I watched that have the same contradicting behavior in them. Some have already been taken down from youtube.

There's quite a few of us here who have "detective" like minds and see things from many angles, if there's a turd in the pile of milk duds, someone here will surely find it.......some of us already spotted a few turds, seems to be many more of them to be spotted.

Thinking about all those children being snuffed out or "taken" though really breaks my heart and pisses me off.......

Too many holes in this whole story and it's getting more weird every day, they may have to distract people with another event before they really get caught with their hands in this cookie jar......

They can't be done. This was to get some energy going. First, there was sandy and now there is the sandy hook. Gotcha! Even in this thread the bait has been taken and some have been emotionally hooked in. The shamans and magicians and sharpies see this crap. We have many sensitive and beautiful souls here, very empathetic. This stuff stuns them and knocks them for a loop. I can understand their disorientation.

[modwiz]

I don't know if this has been posted yet? So sorry in advance. Shepard Smith just reported that Adam Lanza mother was going to have Adam put into a mental facility.

This story is like a kitty litter box. It keeps on filling up with crap. It's all the MSM has to offer. It is what they deliver, 24/7/365.

[SilentFeathers]

I don't know if this has been posted yet? So sorry in advance. Shepard Smith just reported that Adam Lanza mother was going to have Adam put into a mental facility.

This story is like a kitty litter box. It keeps on filling up with crap. It's all the MSM has to offer. It is what they deliver, 24/7/365.

With all the contradictions and false reports etc, they have to come up with something that somewhat makes sense....and there they go using that darn word "snapped" again!

[modwiz]

Ok guys, I will send the father's video of the dad, both, the speech and the meeting with Obama, to my teacher. They will probably look at it from a professional point of view, may be with interest, and I will ask her to get back to me.

These guys (her and the associates) receive videos from all over the world, mainly from interpol and RCMP, and others..., to be visualised to determine where and why the guy lies, or who knows who for example, who is the real boss in mafia groups, or where they put the god dam bodies the cops are looking for. They are world experts.

As soon as I get news, I will let you know what she answered. If I am wrong, I will admit to it.

Edit: it is Christmas, it may take a few days if she is in Montreal.

Flash there is nothing to admit. You are entitled to speak what you feel. I support it. We all do. You're one of us. Do what you want or need to do for your well being. Mea culpa would never be required for being true to yourself. I am doing the same.

[modwiz]

I don't know if this has been posted yet? So sorry in advance. Shepard Smith just reported that Adam Lanza mother was going to have Adam put into a mental facility.

This story is like a kitty litter box. It keeps on filling up with crap. It's all the MSM has to offer. It is what they deliver, 24/7/365.

With all the contradictions and false reports etc, they have to come up with something that somewhat makes sense....and there they go using that darn word "snapped" again!

Snapped is a hook word. Right now, a sandy hook word. They have to double their efforts. The ones who have wits know what is happening on the web and forums like this. They are losing the narrative as fast as they can make it up. They are outnumbered and have a higher percentage of morons in their smaller numbers as well.

I'd buy stock in Depends adult diapers if I believed in their casino wall st. game. This story is unraveling at the speed of the internet.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

According to links posted on this thread, the children's bodies have been viewed in open casket funerals. Also, the bodies were prepped for burial by numerous people in the funeral homes, so I feel certain that yes, children were massacred.

To decide that this was a "staged" event based on subjective analysis of one persons response on camera is not convincing. Also, in an event such as this there will always be numerous conflicting reports due to the state of fear and confusion inherent in the situation. Ask any police officer who has had to question "eyewitness" accounts of a busy situation - there is rarely consensus.

Anyone who thinks that a lone, disturbed young man (having spend a great many hours practicing with absurdly realistic video/computer games shooting "live" targets) is not capable of this crime, has NOT worked around young people lately. Many of them are profoundly alienated, programmed, and substantially dehumanized. I think that the event happened exactly as reported - it is the manipulation of the shooter before the event and the subsequent coverage of the event in the national media that is the real "story". Turning everything into a "conspiracy" becomes tiresome and counterproductive - especially when based on a "feeling". I don't see the hard evidence of fraud here that was apparent in, say 9-11.

[SilentFeathers]

I don't know if this has been posted yet? So sorry in advance. Shepard Smith just reported that Adam Lanza mother was going to have Adam put into a mental facility.

This story is like a kitty litter box. It keeps on filling up with crap. It's all the MSM has to offer. It is what they deliver, 24/7/365.

With all the contradictions and false reports etc, they have to come up with something that somewhat makes sense....and there they go using that darn word "snapped" again!

Snapped is a hook word. Right now, a sandy hook word. They have to double their efforts. The ones who have wits know what is happening on the web and forums like this. They are losing the narrative as fast as they can make it up. They are outnumbered and have a higher percentage of morons in their smaller numbers as well.

I'd buy stock in Depends adult diapers if I believed in their casino wall st. game. This story is unraveling at the speed of the internet.

Like I said a bit earlier, kind of like Benghazi on steroids.....I think we may see a major smoking gun in this "program" soon.

[jagman]

Perhaps we should all take a closer look at Newtown? Im not talking about the victims families. I live in a little town just like Newtown. Your basic Norman Rockwell painting.It looks good on the outside.I mean Absolutely No Disrespect to the victims or families.

[Referee]

According to links posted on this thread, the children's bodies have been viewed in open casket funerals. Also, the bodies were prepped for burial by numerous people in the funeral homes, so I feel certain that yes, children were massacred.

To decide that this was a "staged" event based on subjective analysis of one persons response on camera is not convincing. Also, in an event such as this there will always be numerous conflicting reports due to the state of fear and confusion inherent in the situation. Ask any police officer who has had to question "eyewitness" accounts of a busy situation - there is rarely consensus.

Anyone who thinks that a lone, disturbed young man (having spend a great many hours practicing with absurdly realistic video/computer games shooting "live" targets) is not capable of this crime, has NOT worked around young people lately. Many of them are profoundly alienated, programmed, and substantially dehumanized. I think that the event happened exactly as reported - it is the manipulation of the shooter before the event and the subsequent coverage of the event in the national media that is the real "story". Turning everything into a "conspiracy" becomes tiresome and counterproductive - especially when based on a "feeling". I don't see the hard evidence of fraud here that was apparent in, say 9-11.

This can not explain How the Word Sandy Hook and Aurora appear in the Batman Movie the Dark Knight Rises.
Montagraph put it like this take every name of city/town in America and devide it by 1 twice. I would have better odds of being hit by lightning and wining the Lotto all in one day.

[Kristin]

Ok guys, I will send the father's video of the dad, both, the speech and the meeting with Obama, to my teacher. They will probably look at it from a professional point of view, may be with interest, and I will ask her to get back to me.

These guys (her and the associates) receive videos from all over the world, mainly from interpol and RCMP, and others..., to be visualised to determine where and why the guy lies, or who knows who for example, who is the real boss in mafia groups, or where they put the god dam bodies the cops are looking for. They are world experts.

As soon as I get news, I will let you know what she answered. If I am wrong, I will admit to it.

Edit: it is Christmas, it may take a few days if she is in Montreal.

Flash there is nothing to admit. You are entitled to speak what you feel. I support it. We all do. You're one of us. Do what you want or need to do for your well being. Mea culpa would never be required for being true to yourself. I am doing the same.

Flash,
I feel the same way. Though it would be interesting to have another take a look and give their opinion! Just so you know, I completely respect your opinion on this as well as feel that you are a level headed and perfect person to have the role on this thread for asking the hard questions in a clear and reasonable way. Nothing you have said is not focused. We are all searching here for the truth. I'm glad you have an interest in this and are giving your highly regarded thoughts.
From the Heart,
Kristin

[modwiz]

Perhaps we should all take a closer look at Newtown? Im not talking about the victims families. I live in a little town just like Newtown. Your basic Norman Rockwell painting.It looks good on the outside.I mean Absolutely No Disrespect to the victims or families.

None of us here do. This is aimed at the Matrix of control and its many appendages. Like Neo and Morpheus, those of us who have unhooked have a job to do. This is not a joke. This battle is deadly.

[Referee]

Excerpt from C2C Pre warning text to government employee. Circumstantial evidence but this is the second pre warning found so far. Both are included.

DDPGI7fAQd0

[jagman]

I just found this article in the Newtown Bee archive.
Tales From Fairfield Hills: The First Superintendent
8/23/2012
By Nancy K. Crevier

This is the fifth in a series of Tales of Fairfield Hills, stories shared by local residents who worked and lived there when the property was a functioning psychiatric institution. Now owned by the Town of Newtown and being re-created, the property's past has been the subject of stories, some of which may be tainted with truth, some which may be purely fabrication. These tales, though, come from the hearts of those who knew it best.



Partially identified by Doug and Bill Moore and Margaret Moore Eldredge, are physicians of Fairfield State Hospital in the early 1930s, from left: Dr Leon Clow, staff physician; unidentified; unidentified; Dr Walker, first acting superintendent and later assistant superintendent under Dr Clifford Moore; Dr Sidney Friedman, staff physician; Dr Jane Altman, staff physician; unidentified; possibly Dr Clifford Moore (“My brothers could not agree on this image,” said Ms Eldredge); unidentified; and unidentified. —From archives of Newtown Historical SocietyJoyful memories of his home in Newtown in the mid-1930s include the coming and going of trucks hauling crushed stone from the property to building sites, and a backyard swing set and sand box for entertaining his young playmates. A winter ice skating rink created each winter over the summer's Victory Garden plot provided cold weather fun. "Our home maybe seemed to be somewhat isolated, but in reality it was not that far from Newtown center…" recalls Douglas Moore in his memoir published in Newtown Remembered: More Stories of the 20th Century, edited by Andrea Zimmermann, Mary Maki, and Daniel Cruson. His home, though, was in the center of Fairfield State Hospital, where his father, Dr Clifford Moore, was the first full-time superintendent.

Unlike other administrators, who lived in Queen Street staff housing, Dr Moore elected to live in one of the ten family houses on the campus dedicated to doctors, in order to be immediately available, should the need arise.

In a recent letter to The Newtown Bee, Margaret Moore Eldredge, the youngest child of Dr and Alfreda Moore, reflected on her father's time at Fairfield State Hospital (later known as Fairfield Hills Hospital).

Dr Moore was on staff at the hospital from 1935 to 1946, taking a leave of absence to serve in World War II, in the mid-1940s. "Dr Moore was a dedicated professional, husband, and father," wrote Ms Eldredge, working during the years when the practice of psychiatry and treatment of mental illness was in evolution. "Institutionalization was an acceptable option, indeed one of the few available options. While treatment in those early days may seem rudimentary in today's standard," Ms Eldredge noted, "Fairfield Hills was a fine example of progressive treatment at the time."

Ms Eldredge remembers her father as a man who showed as much compassion and concern for the patients as he did for his own family. "Where was my father on Christmas morning, Thanksgiving, Easter, my birthday, and other occasions of family significance? The answer is simple: he was at Fairfield Hills making sure that the patients and staff were engaged in holiday activities…" As a young child, she did resent this intrusion on family life, but eventually came to appreciate her father's intense dedication.

"Dr Moore's service as Superintendent of Fairfield State Hospital was significant to his career path and it brought a sense of pride to our family," she wrote.

Twelve years her senior, her brother Doug Moore shared in his memoir and letters to Newtown Remembered editor Mary Maki more precise memories of family life at Fairfield Hills, his home from age 4 to age 15. "Employee children from the State Hospital were transported one way [to Hawley School] in the morning on the open-sided wire caged mail truck that picked up and delivered mail to the Newtown post office (Box W) located in Edmond Town Hall… It was only about a mile or so out of the way. We kids had to walk the few miles home along dirt road Queen Street and didn't mind it a bit."

Mr Moore recalled that music lessons provided in a small, wooden building behind the school were not so successful for him, but that his high school success as a football player was nurtured while in the ninth grade at Hawley School, playing on a six-position team.

In a letter to Ms Maki dated July 2005, Mr Moore refers to a Newtown Bee photograph of the old administration building (Newtown Hall). "The last two windows on the first floor, left end, was my dad's Superintendent Office suite, with the board room across the corridor. Also, the front steps of the center entrance was where I waited for the hospital mail truck to take me and the other employees' kids to school on its regular morning run… Inside the lobby [of Newtown Hall] was the P.O.X. (point of exit) operator/receptionist and to the right was the State Hospital Post Office," Mr Moore remembered.

Mr Moore lamented the hospital's name change in later days in a March 2004 letter to Ms Maki: "Sometime after dad left state service in 1945 as superintendent of the institution, under another administration, the name Fairfield Hills was adopted. To me, Fairfield State Hospital is the only name I ever knew for the mental health facility. Is there," he questioned, "some local disrespectful lore associated with the original name of the hospital?"

By 1936, Dr Moore was in charge of a hospital that had quickly required expansion to care for the 819 patients housed there. The hospital continued to grow, adding a social work department, said Ms Eldredge, and an occupational therapy center. Plymouth Hall was constructed for recreational opportunities and a fully operational farm supported the hospital.

"Dr Moore provided leadership… by guiding the building program and expanding therapeutic options… He implemented sound hiring practices and pay raises," Ms Eldredge said in her letter.

Gleaned from Dr Moore's reports to the Board of Trustees of Fairfield State Hospital, newspaper articles, letters, and other sources, Ms Eldredge learned that Dr Moore was concerned with the problems of psychiatric service for the community from a State Hospital point of view, and in 1938 presented to the Connecticut Society of Psychiatry a paper promoting principles that he described in five points:

"1. Improvement in the standards of hospital care. 2. Better preparation and training of workers… 3. A continuing program of community education… 4. The institution of investigations and researches into the nature and causes of mental disorders… 5. Application of the knowledge of preventive and active treatment techniques…."

The Moores left Fairfield State Hospital in 1946, when Dr Moore resigned to accept a position at Stamford Hall in Stamford, in the private sector.

"Privatization, or deinstitutionalization, of mental health treatment and services during the 1960s and 1970s reduced the need for large state-supported mental hospitals," Ms Eldredge wrote, and like other state hospitals in the country, Newtown's hospital "succumbed to budget constraints associated with the high cost of operating underused facilities."

Closed in 1995 and subsequently purchased by the Town of Newtown, the future of the property remains in flux. Ms Eldredge rues the paranormal stories that have since haunted the abandoned buildings and its maze of tunnels underground. "The lore and occult images that surround what are now obsolete institutions like Fairfield Hills may be entertaining for some," she added, "but the true story of lives touched by these buildings, the staff, the patients, and the beautiful grounds trump any sensational profile of mental illness, psychiatric practices and the historic structures that housed and treated its residents with respect and dignity."
http://newtownbee.com/default.aspx
The lore and Occult images that surround Newtown?

[CdnSirian]

Wow. Wonder if Steven King is reading this and drafting his next novel...

[norman]

If this was supposed to clobber an accidental energetic lift at the winter solstice, so far, it's working.

[CdnSirian]

This may be a little overboard in dot connecting, but has some interesting points.
http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2012/12/dots.html

[sigma6]

Looks like we have another live topic thread. I am in the "fake acting" camp (for better or worse) Everything seems like a rush job, people are so keyed in now, they picked up the pre-emptive programming from the Batman movie way sooner then I think was supposed to be expected (more people waking up!) So I am taking everything I see from that view. We have been told!

I saw the rest of that guy's video (below) and it did sound very scripted, and combined with the shot where he is grinning from ear to ear just off the edge of the screen (run it in pause, and push it forward frame by frame) tells me that he is practiced in front of a camera. It was like he was so cocky that he "knew" where the camera was and didn't get into character until the very last second, but missed. While the other guy is cuing him saying "OK we have the father coming on, he is very sad and is going to give a sad story now... hello Mr. Sad man tell us your story..." Getting back to the "ear to ear grin" - It was like he was responding to a "jibe" from a fellow actor as if to say "yeah, yeah, I'm going to put on my "broken heart" face.... whatever" much like two actors might do exchanging jibes between cuts... and the speech sounded like something someone else wrote for him. Either way I think the overall consensus is that a lot of people are getting the "I'm just not feeling it vibe" off a lot of this material we are seeing... ie it is "in-congruent" It doesn't feel right.

This reminded me of another video (911 I think) where they are interviewing a mind controlled politician who breaks into a grin during what should be a fairly serious interview (I wish I could source it right now) This guy's face is going through contortions, where he is slipping into an almost sociopathic grin at moments, like he can't get quite into the serious persona, can't get himself under control.... If he is not an actor, the other possible alternative is that he may be under any number of potential influences, from autosuggestion, electronic, or chemical... It feels very in-congruent to me...

RL4pREERbcA

[Flash]

OK, I did look at the videos again

Parker is talking from a prepared script, we can see it in the 8 minutes video. When getting outside to give his speech, after the auntie, he is very serious. He has one of those wide smile for less than a second just before starting (strange imo), however, I had known olympic speed skaters and they told me that when they have those huge smiles it is because they force and are in pain, they are not smiling, but I wil have this checked, because it is strange. However, it seems like a fake smile, because he is polite and not a real smile, we see that with the bottom eyelid that does not get higher as it would with real smiles and the wrinkles at the corner of the eyes. Afterwards, he speaks while reading his sheet at times. Yes, he has a script and it is normal when giving a speech. His eyebrows move when he talks of the talks he had with his daughter, which is fine, showing the communication he had. When there is emotion, his upper left eyelid for a few milliseconds, stays like glued there, it stays slightly down, the left side of the body correspond to emotions, the right to rational, and he shows definit sadness there. This happens a few times. He mentions his daughter at the present tense a few times, and at past tense a few times. For him, she is not gone yet, he has not assimilated the loss yet.

His voice all along, after he starts, shakes when there is emotions, at the right times, as it would naturally, and small tremolos can be heard as well when there is emotions or change of memories, which is all coherent with what is said and which very few actors can act efficiently. I most often catch lies when listening to the voices.

At the end of the speech, he says he will be glad to answers questions but when a reporter ask the first question, he pushes his tongue toward the bottom lip from the inside of the mouth, in the direction of the reported, which tells me he is not happy at all to answers the question (this is an internal f ck you), then he stick his tongue out a few times, this is called viper tongues, as well as wetting his lips. I have to check that one, what it means within the context.

the sad eye: http://blog.synergologie.org/2011/05/la-tristesse-danne-sinclair.html

Following my teachers, James Holmes is far from crazy, he is very conscious of what he did and aware of what can go wrong for him

http://blog.synergologie.org/2012/07/james-holmes-folie-ou-desequilibre.html

And for the fun of it, yes Kate loves Williams and it is a good relationship, while it was not the case for Diana and Charles, all in a kiss

http://blog.synergologie.org/2011/05/le-terrain-de-jeu-des-baisers.html

By the way, yes Sigma 6, he practiced looking in the camera and at people, and had a script, this does not mean he lies, the proof is in the micro movements

But he is definitely used to talk in public, no single doubt.

[Flash]

Ok here it come, Robbie Parker is a doctor's assistant, physician's assistant in the neonatal unit. So he exist, has a regular job, a regular pay check and has lost his daughter.

Now, lets focus on the real conspiracies and the real problems with the case.



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http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/18/278706/israeli-squads-tied-to-newtown-carnage/

"Days later, the Sandy Hook Massacre, the iconic slaughter of twenty small children, is now looking like a terrorist attack, not a “murder suicide.” Was “lone gunman” Adam Lanza a “patsy,” the same word Lee Harvey Oswald used to describe himself before being “silenced” in November 1963?


Today, Michael Harris, former Republican candidate for governor of Arizona and GOP campaign finance chairman, in an internationally televised news broadcast, cited “Israeli revenge” in, what he called, “the terrorist attack in Connecticut.”

Harris cited Israeli “rage” against the US and against President Barack Obama. By “Israel,” we mean “Netanyahu.”

The mission was to teach America a lesson, knowing that “America would take the punishment, keep “quiet,” and let a ‘fall guy’ take the blame.”

A “fall guy” is another word for “patsy.”

Harris, citing the flood of inconsistencies in the “cover story,” pointed out the following, “The facts are now becoming obvious. This is another case where Israel has chosen violence and terrorism where their bullying in Washington has failed. Israel believes the US “threw them under the bus,” particularly after the recent Gaza war, allowing Israel to be humiliated in the United Nations. Their response was to stage a terror attack, targeting America in the most hideous and brutal way possible, in fact, an Israeli “signature attack,” one that butchers children, one reminiscent of the attacks that killed so many children in Gaza?”

Washington is terrified of Israel, their powerful lobby and its relationship with organized crime. Now, a key former Senator, Chuck Hagel, who has helped expose this fact, is likely to be nominated as the secretary of defense, despite vocal protests from Israel.

.....

Citing a 2006 interview with Hegel, the news continued, “The political reality is…that the Jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here. I have always argued against some of the dumb things they do because I don’t think it’s in the interest of Israel. I just don’t think it’s smart for Israel.”

Hagel also said he didn’t think he had ever signed one of the letters the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) regularly circulates to demonstrate support for Israel or tough stands against parties such as Iran.

“I didn’t sign the letter because it was a stupid letter…I’m not an Israeli senator, I’m a United States senator.”

During his interview today, Mike Harris explained his rationale for looking to Israel as responsible for Sandy Hook, saying “This is exactly what Israel did in Norway; the political party that voted sanctions against Israel was retaliated against by a “lone gunman” who killed 77 children. This is what Israel always does, they go after the children. It is what they do in Gaza every day. It is what was done in Norway. It is what happened at Sandy Hook. Nobody buys the “lone gunman” story anymore, not with the Gabby Giffords’ shooting, not with the Aurora “Batman” shooting, certainly not with Breveik, and certainly not in Connecticut.”

After Harris’ broadcast, key members of the military and law enforcement community contacted Veterans Today in full support of Harris’ analysis.

One three star general is quoted as saying, “Harris hit the nail right on the head and it is about time someone spoke up.” "

[Shamz]

Is there not even one Good Avalonian who lives in Connecticut - or near by and who can visit the town and see the funerals etc by himself/herself ?
This will atleast set the record straight here - instead relying or gossiping about stories on blogposts or other YT videos.

I am pretty sure someone here can gladly sponsor that visit ( not me :) )

Much love

[ThePythonicCow]

We're not the only one's doubting this story. See Connecticut shooting 26 dead, 18 children... (Post #324) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53156-Connecticut-shooting-26-dead-18-children...&p=601592&viewfull=1#post601592).

The current GOP campaign finance chairman Michael Harris agrees, calling out Israel, and a current three star general chimes in saying: “Harris hit the nail right on the head and it is about time someone spoke up.”

[ThePythonicCow]

Today, Michael Harris, former Republican candidate for governor of Arizona and GOP campaign finance chairman, in an internationally televised news broadcast, cited “Israeli revenge” in, what he called, “the terrorist attack in Connecticut.”


We're not the only one's doubting this story. See Connecticut shooting 26 dead, 18 children... (Post #324) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53156-Connecticut-shooting-26-dead-18-children...&p=601592&viewfull=1#post601592).

The current GOP campaign finance chairman Michael Harris agrees, calling out Israel, and a current three star general chimes in saying: “Harris hit the nail right on the head and it is about time someone spoke up.”

Aha - that's the one. I posted on this thread linking to you comments about this Harris report on the other thread, before realizing just now you posted it here too.

Cool!

[Flash]

yes, and now lets find the proofs: impossible not to leave a trace on the internet or on computers, medication that provokes agression, let go on to find the discrepancies and make sense of it. Have it link to other stories to see the pattern.

[TargeT]

9 members & 82 guests on this thread... Hmm

[ThePythonicCow]

Here is an interesting take on Clare Kuehn's list of 32 discrepancies with which I opened this thread, from one of my favorite sites, The Daily Bell.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




No More Questions to Ask About Sandy Hook Shooting?
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 – by Staff Report

Was the Sandy Hook Massacre a False Flag Operation? Early Eyewitness Reports From Newton, CT Suggest So ... We will continue to follow this story closely because there are just too many unanswered questions, and the "official" version of what happened on Friday at Sandy Hook Elementary continues to shift and change. – SGTReport

Dominant Social Theme: There are no more questions to ask. Everything is settled.

Free-Market Analysis: There are questions to ask, just as there were at Columbine where hundreds of witnesses saw more than two young shooters and tried, to no avail, to testify about what they witnessed.

The Columbine investigation was closed without addressing this point and many others, including the medical condition of the two young men who live on only in bloody Internet pictures. Viewers have pointed out inconsistencies in the death photos that tend to undermine the idea of a mutual suicide – the official story.

Questions emerged after the recent Aurora cinema shooting in Colorado by suspect James Holmes, as well. Eyewitnesses even questioned whether it was Holmes who actually did the shooting.

And even more questions are being raised following the Sandy Hook Connecticut shooting, as we can see from the above excerpt. Similar questions have been raised on numerous alternative websites including the alternative conservative site Free Republic (in a thread recently pulled).

There have been too many of these shootings with too many official inconsistencies. A better way of getting information to the public has to be worked out.

Otherwise, mistrust will continue to grow within the alternative media community. The more the officials seem to be equivocating, the more this perspective will take hold.

For instance, a list from one "Clare Kuehn" is circulating around the Internet.

What is interesting is that we cannot find the initial list from Kuehn and the list itself may certainly be disinformation of a sort. The very first point, regarding skepticism as to whether children are dead would seem to invalidate the larger list. Numerous questions are offered without evidence and this in itself is a disinformation technique.

Yet the list's large-scale circulation on the 'Net, along with other such lists, provides us with evidence regarding the growing cynicism attached to these events.

This is the important point. When the body politic begins to show evident and obvious mistrust, the powers-that-be have got to realize they need to do a better job regarding communication of the facts surrounding these horrible shootings.

[ Here The Daily Bell presents what looks to be about the same list as in Post #1 of this thread. -- Paul. ]

This is a disturbing list, even if each point raised has a reasonable rebuttal. The authorities, after so many shootings with so many unanswered questions, are simply not doing an adequate job, in our view, to reassure citizens of their safety and law enforcement's general competence.

Over time, questions from multiple events become corrosive and tend to undermine civil trust. This would seem to be happening. Those in charge ought to be concerned.

Conclusion: A new methodology of public communication would seem to be called for.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I would disagree with The Daily Bell's conclusion however. I don't think this is a "communication methadology" problem. I think it is a deeper problem with the substance of what is actually going on.

[SilentFeathers]

We're not the only one's doubting this story. See Connecticut shooting 26 dead, 18 children... (Post #324) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53156-Connecticut-shooting-26-dead-18-children...&p=601592&viewfull=1#post601592).

The current GOP campaign finance chairman Michael Harris agrees, calling out Israel, and a current three star general chimes in saying: “Harris hit the nail right on the head and it is about time someone spoke up.”

Harris might get "bonked" on the head for going public like this....Alex Jones speaking like this is one thing, but Harris speaking like this is on a whole 'nother level and playing field.....watch and see!

[Carmody]

this link is to a DHS excercise manual of sorts and it does talk about using actors in these excercises. I havent read the entire manual but am combing through it now. It does say a couple times "Recruit actors and manage actor logistics (e.g., waiver forms, applying moulage)"


If anyone ever asks someone to be an 'actor' in their swat team paramilitary exercise, please be smart enough to turn it down.

And RUN. Very far away.

And as for the rest, CONSENSUS reality FORMATION.

It is NOT a joke.

It is NOT a conspiracy.

The ego-body is like that, it makes sure that one insists that all potentials lie outside of the self. That way, it remains in charge of the self. After all it is the input/output data formation and polarization filter ,and it THINKS that it is in charge and it is based upon the emotional body as much as anything else.

It IS the inner angry and emotional child. It IS the inner frightened and lost child.

it DOES therefore... direct the formation of reality, weaving in and out of probability and timelines.

It does indeed champion and drive this aspect of reality, as people refuse to realize it exists. They fail to realize that the conscious mind is confined to a box. a filtered box. And the animal, reptilian, and angry/frightened/scared/lost inner child, those components of the self are an underlying filter that ALL data, both ways, passes through and is altered by. The ego/body.

So yes, it is 105% possible that the collective ego body created and/or 'pre-ordained', or 'temporally dragged us to that event and shape of event'. 105% possible. 110% possible.

But, this will be ignored as the controller of the consciousness data input and output does not want to be displaced, so this can't be true and it HAS to be some other factor. Like evil otherness, right???

This is how 'that which is evil' drives people to do what they want them to do, in the 'astral realms'. They make them FEAR. and when they fear, people retract into reactionary animal response.

If you grab a kitten by the scruff of the neck, it goes limp. Then you can move it to where you want it to be.

Simple enough.

The same applies to you. On all levels. Every stinking tiny and big level you can possibly imagine or ponder, mentally, physically, and emotionally.

Understand this to the point that you live it, in each moment, 24/7. Until you shine that much light on your own ego-body, you will never resolve or understand the sheer depth of it's existence and control over your every thought formation, and mental projections in mind and what you call existence and life.

so, your question should not all be about 'did the 'Illuminati' create or be involved in this 'satanic scenario, in order to **** us over', but...'did we, as a collective, drive to this place, and create it, whole cloth?'. And, does our lack of knowledge of this, as a reality, constitute the one thing that they do not want us to know?

What did the ex head of the US Army Intelligence and Security Command, Major General Bert Stubblebine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine) say? (He was also a chemist, by trade, as in 'alchemy', of a quantum nature, was his specialty) - and I paraphrase): 'If people only knew the power that they individually have at their command.....'

Yes, things really are as serious as I'm trying to indicate, here. The undercurrent of what I'm trying to say REALLY IS what reality itself most seriously is.

Stop lying to yourself, in fear and pain, and confusion. You are both the answer and the question. You. it is not external. It never was external and never will be. You.

But, you see, the vast majority of the people who read this, will find that they somehow 'forget' what I just wrote here. They will forget it and move on, in minutes, in most cases.

The real question should be, "Now..how did that happen?' How can you possibly manage to forget the way out? How?

Think.......

[SilentFeathers]

Pertaining to recent posts in this thread concerning "child sacrifice and rituals involving children" being possible in the sickest sense.....well here's some photos of rituals on the lighter side that are in your face and for all the world to see. (From the 2012 Olympic Ceremonies).

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/2012+Olympic+Games+Opening+Ceremony+2KzLzwORtpXl.jpg

Is this how "they" see children?

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/2012+Olympic+Games+Opening+Ceremony+o1gDLnfEmUvl.jpg

Why portray children in hospital beds?

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/2012+Olympic+Games+Opening+Ceremony+9IE-bxFL1QMl.jpg

Is this morbid portrayal of a child sane?

http://static.manoramaonline.com/ranked/online/MM/The_Week/Multimedia/Slideshow/Photo_Essays/3520922471_Olympic_Opening_Ceremony%20(8).jpg

What exactly is this suppose to mean?????

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2012/8/17/1345208680861/Nurses-at-Olympic-opening-008.jpg

Doesn't this remind you of the crucifixion?

This is what these sicko's show us with the doors open, imagine what they are doing behind closed doors?????

ADDED: DO NOT under-estimate what these sicko's are capable of!

Evil has many layers of darkness and these critters dabble in the lowest and darkest layers of evil that there is.....

"They" rely on the masses to be somewhat aware, but also rely on the masses to be in a collective state of "denial" to the depths of their actions and behaviors.

[sigma6]

They also go for the "lone gunmen" theory for legal reasons, when saying Oswald was the lone gunman, I heard that it prevented higher level Federal Government forces from taking control of the investigations at the time. So it does make it possible to go to some small town in some state, hook up with the local scum bags (look under local government services) or maybe your local freemason lodge, start laying the cash on the table, work the bribes, set up the deal and carry out the hit.

And keep higher levels of government forces out....
As usual, criminal syndicates must just love milking this system.

[EsmaEverheart]

Has anyone seen the film, The Cabin In The Woods? For some reason that film comes to mind.

[Flash]

this link is to a DHS excercise manual of sorts and it does talk about using actors in these excercises. I havent read the entire manual but am combing through it now. It does say a couple times "Recruit actors and manage actor logistics (e.g., waiver forms, applying moulage)"


If anyone ever asks someone to be an 'actor' in their swat team paramilitary exercise, please be smart enough to turn it down.

And RUN. Very far away.

And as for the rest, CONSENSUS reality FORMATION.

It is NOT a joke.

It is NOT a conspiracy.

The ego-body is like that, it makes sure that one insists that all potentials lie outside of the self. That way, it remains in charge of the self. After all it is the input/output data formation and polarization filter ,and it THINKS that it is in charge and it is based upon the emotional body as much as anything else.

It IS the inner angry and emotional child. It IS the inner frightened and lost child.

it DOES therefore... direct the formation of reality, weaving in and out of probability and timelines.

It does indeed champion and drive this aspect of reality, as people refuse to realize it exists. They fail to realize that the conscious mind is confined to a box. a filtered box. And the animal, reptilian, and angry/frightened/scared/lost inner child, those components of the self are an underlying filter that ALL data, both ways, passes through and is altered by. The ego/body.

So yes, it is 105% possible that the collective ego body created and/or 'pre-ordained', or 'temporally dragged us to that event and shape of event'. 105% possible. 110% possible.

But, this will be ignored as the controller of the consciousness data input and output does not want to be displaced, so this can't be true and it HAS to be some other factor. Like evil otherness, right???

This is how 'that which is evil' drives people to do what they want them to do, in the 'astral realms'. They make them FEAR. and when they fear, people retract into reactionary animal response.

If you grab a kitten by the scruff of the neck, it goes limp. Then you can move it to where you want it to be.

Simple enough.

The same applies to you. On all levels. Every stinking tiny and big level you can possibly imagine or ponder, mentally, physically, and emotionally.

Understand this to the point that you live it, in each moment, 24/7. Until you shine that much light on your own ego-body, you will never resolve or understand the sheer depth of it's existence and control over your every thought formation, and mental projections in mind and what you call existence and life.

so, your question should not all be about 'did the 'Illuminati' create or be involved in this 'satanic scenario, in order to **** us over', but...'did we, as a collective, drive to this place, and create it, whole cloth?'. And, does our lack of knowledge of this, as a reality, constitute the one thing that they do not want us to know?

What did the ex head of the US Army Intelligence and Security Command, Major General Bert Stubblebine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine) say? (He was also a chemist, by trade, as in 'alchemy', of a quantum nature, was his specialty) - and I paraphrase): 'If people only knew the power that they individually have at their command.....'

Yes, things really are as serious as I'm trying to indicate, here. The undercurrent of what I'm trying to say REALLY IS what reality itself most seriously is.

Stop lying to yourself, in fear and pain, and confusion. You are both the answer and the question. You. it is not external. It never was external and never will be. You.

But, you see, the vast majority of the people who read this, will find that they somehow 'forget' what I just wrote here. They will forget it and move on, in minutes, in most cases.

The real question should be, "Now..how did that happen?' How can you possibly manage to forget the way out? How?

Think.......

This post above is very important

For us at Avalon

We may decide to go and pursue the mass thinking that follows in the traps already set aeons ago

Or we may chose not to

If we chose the latter, then we may very well decide to:

see reality as it is now
denounce what has to be denounce in order to change the reality
see the other reality as it is now, meaning the collective definition of it and our input into it (the most difficult part imo)
accept it and denounce it
change by chosing another individual definition of reality, on individual basis (talking to myself here as well)
help each other to do it
change by choosing another collective definition of reality

It could start at Avalon

[Flash]

Pertaining to recent posts in this thread concerning "child sacrifice and rituals involving children" being possible in the sickest sense.....well here's some photos of rituals on the lighter side that are in your face and for all the world to see. (From the 2012 Olympic Ceremonies).

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/2012+Olympic+Games+Opening+Ceremony+2KzLzwORtpXl.jpg

Is this how "they" see children?

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/2012+Olympic+Games+Opening+Ceremony+o1gDLnfEmUvl.jpg

Why portray children in hospital beds?

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/2012+Olympic+Games+Opening+Ceremony+9IE-bxFL1QMl.jpg

Is this morbid portrayal of a child sane?

http://static.manoramaonline.com/ranked/online/MM/The_Week/Multimedia/Slideshow/Photo_Essays/3520922471_Olympic_Opening_Ceremony%20(8).jpg

What exactly is this suppose to mean?????

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2012/8/17/1345208680861/Nurses-at-Olympic-opening-008.jpg

Doesn't this remind you of the crucifixion?

This is what these sicko's show us with the doors open, imagine what they are doing behind closed doors?????

ADDED: DO NOT under-estimate what these sicko's are capable of!

Evil has many layers of darkness and these critters dabble in the lowest and darkest layers of evil that there is.....

"They" rely on the masses to be somewhat aware, but also rely on the masses to be in a collective state of "denial" to the depths of their actions and behaviors.

How come this was accepted by the mass of British viewers?
Is pedophilia so engrained in the mind of British that they won't even have goose bump at seeing this?
After all the scandals going on, how come nobody has brought this show up yet, publically, I bet the designers are in the pedophile groups.
Are the British sooo sick that they won't ask questions? And demand responses. And refuse such presentations.
This is a question the British people should ask themselves.

IT is definitely litterally a sick show, in all its aspects, at first glance one can see it, why was it accepted - any benefit to hospitals for children (I doubt it).

[eaglespirit]

imho..it really is beyond the time for Us to ask for 'as direct' Higher Help as We can possibly get for all of this..
yes...we do the work to turn it all around the best each of us may but because of the immense rigging and manipulation for years and years and years we really, really really need the help now...it is time.
We CAN do this together..ask with ALL Your Heart!!
We WILL get the help..again in my very humble and strong opinion!

[Referee]

Facebook is now taking down accounts questioning official story. No big surprise

Interesting look at possible 2nd shooter

6W6b-voc-Ds

[Flash]

imho..it really is beyond the time for Us to ask for 'as direct' Higher Help as We can possibly get for all of this..
yes...we do the work to turn it all around the best each of us may but because of the immense rigging and manipulation for years and years and years we really, really really need the help now...it is time.
We CAN do this together..ask with ALL Your Heart!!
We WILL get the help..again in my very humble and strong opinion!

We have the help, we ARE the help, there is NO BUT.

[Kristin]

OK, I did look at the videos again

Parker is talking from a prepared script, we can see it in the 8 minutes video. When getting outside to give his speech, after the auntie, he is very serious. He has one of those wide smile for less than a second just before starting (strange imo), however, I had known olympic speed skaters and they told me that when they have those huge smiles it is because they force and are in pain, they are not smiling, but I wil have this checked, because it is strange. However, it seems like a fake smile, because he is polite and not a real smile, we see that with the bottom eyelid that does not get higher as it would with real smiles and the wrinkles at the corner of the eyes. Afterwards, he speaks while reading his sheet at times. Yes, he has a script and it is normal when giving a speech. His eyebrows move when he talks of the talks he had with his daughter, which is fine, showing the communication he had. When there is emotion, his upper left eyelid for a few milliseconds, stays like glued there, it stays slightly down, the left side of the body correspond to emotions, the right to rational, and he shows definit sadness there. This happens a few times. He mentions his daughter at the present tense a few times, and at past tense a few times. For him, she is not gone yet, he has not assimilated the loss yet.

His voice all along, after he starts, shakes when there is emotions, at the right times, as it would naturally, and small tremolos can be heard as well when there is emotions or change of memories, which is all coherent with what is said and which very few actors can act efficiently. I most often catch lies when listening to the voices.

At the end of the speech, he says he will be glad to answers questions but when a reporter ask the first question, he pushes his tongue toward the bottom lip from the inside of the mouth, in the direction of the reported, which tells me he is not happy at all to answers the question (this is an internal f ck you), then he stick his tongue out a few times, this is called viper tongues, as well as wetting his lips. I have to check that one, what it means within the context.

the sad eye: http://blog.synergologie.org/2011/05/la-tristesse-danne-sinclair.html

Following my teachers, James Holmes is far from crazy, he is very conscious of what he did and aware of what can go wrong for him

http://blog.synergologie.org/2012/07/james-holmes-folie-ou-desequilibre.html

And for the fun of it, yes Kate loves Williams and it is a good relationship, while it was not the case for Diana and Charles, all in a kiss

http://blog.synergologie.org/2011/05/le-terrain-de-jeu-des-baisers.html

By the way, yes Sigma 6, he practiced looking in the camera and at people, and had a script, this does not mean he lies, the proof is in the micro movements

But he is definitely used to talk in public, no single doubt.

Thank you for this Flash, and great research! However, I can not assume that the responses are for the same reasons that you are suggesting. There could very well be many other underlying reasons for those same responses. But it is very important to note that the responses are there. Thank you!
From the Heart,
Kristin

[sigma6]

Facebook is now taking down accounts questioning official story. No big surprise
Interesting look at possible 2nd shooter
6W6b-voc-Ds

the school is in lockdown? (like it's a prison)
good point by this newsguy, pointing out that they put him in the front seat
that's a total DEAD GIVEAWAY (the cops are so arrogant, they didn't even pretend to put him in the backseat,
cause they know how uncomfortable and humiliating it is (hypocritical scumbags imho)

Wow, this is huge - (f**k)face (book) telling people what to think????????
That is BIG BROTHER RIGHT IN YOUR FACE!! (book)

Not allowed to ask questions?
Not allowed to analyze?
Not allowed to question the freemason police parasites?
Not allowed to conjecture?

F*** YOU Facebook!
(scuuze my french)

...and now back to our sponsors... ( lol )

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

Interesting Vid.

Thanks for the upload :)

[TargeT]

this link is to a DHS excercise manual of sorts and it does talk about using actors in these excercises. I havent read the entire manual but am combing through it now. It does say a couple times "Recruit actors and manage actor logistics (e.g., waiver forms, applying moulage)"


If anyone ever asks someone to be an 'actor' in their swat team paramilitary exercise, please be smart enough to turn it down.

And RUN. Very far away.

And as for the rest, CONSENSUS reality FORMATION.

It is NOT a joke.

It is NOT a conspiracy.

The ego-body is like that, it makes sure that one insists that all potentials lie outside of the self. That way, it remains in charge of the self. After all it is the input/output data formation and polarization filter ,and it THINKS that it is in charge and it is based upon the emotional body as much as anything else.

It IS the inner angry and emotional child. It IS the inner frightened and lost child.

it DOES therefore... direct the formation of reality, weaving in and out of probability and timelines.

It does indeed champion and drive this aspect of reality, as people refuse to realize it exists. They fail to realize that the conscious mind is confined to a box. a filtered box. And the animal, reptilian, and angry/frightened/scared/lost inner child, those components of the self are an underlying filter that ALL data, both ways, passes through and is altered by. The ego/body.

So yes, it is 105% possible that the collective ego body created and/or 'pre-ordained', or 'temporally dragged us to that event and shape of event'. 105% possible. 110% possible.

But, this will be ignored as the controller of the consciousness data input and output does not want to be displaced, so this can't be true and it HAS to be some other factor. Like evil otherness, right???

This is how 'that which is evil' drives people to do what they want them to do, in the 'astral realms'. They make them FEAR. and when they fear, people retract into reactionary animal response.
If you grab a kitten by the scruff of the neck, it goes limp. Then you can move it to where you want it to be.

Simple enough.

The same applies to you. On all levels. Every stinking tiny and big level you can possibly imagine or ponder, mentally, physically, and emotionally.

Understand this to the point that you live it, in each moment, 24/7. Until you shine that much light on your own ego-body, you will never resolve or understand the sheer depth of it's existence and control over your every thought formation, and mental projections in mind and what you call existence and life.

so, your question should not all be about 'did the 'Illuminati' create or be involved in this 'satanic scenario, in order to **** us over', but...'did we, as a collective, drive to this place, and create it, whole cloth?'. And, does our lack of knowledge of this, as a reality, constitute the one thing that they do not want us to know?

What did the ex head of the US Army Intelligence and Security Command, Major General Bert Stubblebine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine) say? (He was also a chemist, by trade, as in 'alchemy', of a quantum nature, was his specialty) - and I paraphrase): 'If people only knew the power that they individually have at their command.....'

Yes, things really are as serious as I'm trying to indicate, here. The undercurrent of what I'm trying to say REALLY IS what reality itself most seriously is.

Stop lying to yourself, in fear and pain, and confusion. You are both the answer and the question. You. it is not external. It never was external and never will be. You.

But, you see, the vast majority of the people who read this, will find that they somehow 'forget' what I just wrote here. They will forget it and move on, in minutes, in most cases.

The real question should be, "Now..how did that happen?' How can you possibly manage to forget the way out? How?

Think.......

This post above is very important

For us at Avalon

We may decide to go and pursue the mass thinking that follows in the traps already set aeons ago

Or we may chose not to

If we chose the latter, then we may very well decide to:

see reality as it is now
denounce what has to be denounce in order to change the reality
see the other reality as it is now, meaning the collective definition of it and our input into it (the most difficult part imo)
accept it and denounce it
change by chosing another individual definition of reality, on individual basis (talking to myself here as well)
help each other to do it
change by choosing another collective definition of reality

It could start at Avalon



You both put together a very nice collection of words.

Flash offers a bit more "actionable" suggestions, but even those (at least minorly) vague.

I'm going to give you a perspective of "the average reader" (which I consider myself to be), and suggest you offer more detailed, actionable items for your "solution" other than statements like (and these are what I saw to be possible suggestions to "fix" the situation):


If you grab a kitten by the scruff of the neck, it goes limp. Then you can move it to where you want it to be.

Simple enough.

The same applies to you. On all levels. Every stinking tiny and big level you can possibly imagine or ponder, mentally, physically, and emotionally.

Understand this to the point that you live it, in each moment, 24/7. Until you shine that much light on your own ego-body, you will never resolve or understand the sheer depth of it's existence and control over your every thought formation, and mental projections in mind and what you call existence and life.

Here we have a hint that manipulation of "reactionary" programs is happening consistently "24/7" and simply being aware of this is the answer. I feel this is not specific enough, there are not examples to work with and this statement is sufficiently vague that nothing will come of posting something like this (unless I am missing something here? hopefully that is the case...)


This statement almost contradicts the above statement, but not quite:

Stop lying to yourself, in fear and pain, and confusion. You are both the answer and the question. You. it is not external. It never was external and never will be. You.

Ok, to me this is indicating that we have some sort of responsibility, or ability that we need to be aware of. I do not see anything that I can do with this statement other than feel sorry about my apparent lack of knowledge and possible cooperation (?) in the events that are happening daily; even though previously it seems it was hinted that some external force WAS acting to provoke a reactionary program (one that if I was just "aware of" it would no longer work, or perhaps be less effective).


If we chose the latter, then we may very well decide to:

see reality as it is now
ok, so how exactly? is this trying to build on the "filtering" concept that was mentioned by Cam. ? are you suggesting we realize our perspective is not necessarily correct, nor even the same as those around us?



denounce what has to be denounce in order to change the reality
well what has to be denounced?



see the other reality as it is now, meaning the collective definition of it and our input into it (the most difficult part imo)
accept it and denounce it
well at least you said it's difficult, I'm finding that to be true, "denounce the collective definition" this seems pretty vague, can you offer a few examples, like "government is there to help people" or something similar; are you getting at the fact that we need to be reminded of the vast quantity of deceptions that occur every day or something else?



change by chosing another individual definition of reality, on individual basis (talking to myself here as well)
help each other to do it
change by choosing another collective definition of reality

what do you mean by choosing, I don't choose to have to work because of forced scarcity in a universe of abundance, but it seems my "choosing" doesn't alter that fact much. I don't fully understand this "choice" you are speaking of, I decided long ago that "all is not as it seems" but I "seem" to have to continue to function within the parameters of the "game".

Are yo suggesting something more a long the lines of the "free man" movement, should I shred my license, disassociate with banks, grow my own food & refuse to participate in the system (all things that I can see as "good" though in practical reality the few that try to do this usually end up even further entrenched in the "system"... usually a "system" that involves bars & cages).




I try not to criticize without offering succinct solutions, if what you have to say is so important please spent a bit more time on what the reader "should do" with the information you present, these messages seem almost more like a shotgun full of blame with a hint at how to fix an issue, this website is entertaining and fun to participate in but ultimately I am here to learn, please help me do so.

[Flash]

Target, I take this "criticism" of yours as an indication that I have to express myself better in the future. You are right in something, my own idea was not completely clear when I started. But to tell the truth, sometimes it is and yet I do not find the right words or ways to say it.

Second, writing sometimes allows my thinking to go further. Sometimes this happens while I am writing, in which case I come back and add or delete, sometimes later in the day or the week. Sometimes I also see incomplete writings in others but it helps me to think further, so why not.

Third, I may allow myself not to be the brightest at all times or the best writer. Sometimes because I am tired, other times because I am in a rush, other times because I am a clearly a bad writer in English and sometimes because my brain is plain stupider. If I should stop posting for this, I may ask the same from all other members and I have the weird feeling we would end up with less than half what is being posted at the present.

Others times, I like to be plain stupid, the real blonde syndrome, call it what you want, it is relaxing to be it. Or I will like a good tease or laugh, which is not always appropriate in terms of place/form where i tease or joke.

Finally, my own target here on Avalon is not only to learn, but also to have fun, rest from other chores or activities, exchange views and ideas and feelings, and then learn again, and finally may be find some solutions. And maybe nothing, so what.. Our objectives may just be different.

NOW, since you asked, I will make an effort to be more descriptive. Reading your questions, I see that you, and most probably others, did not catch my drift. The blame is on the one communicating, therefore me.

Let me do it in another post, because i have to sit, think, try to put feeling and visions (in terms of values and what I could foresee), often translate, all in written form and it takes time.



I try not to criticize without offering succinct solutions, if what you have to say is so important please spent a bit more time on what the reader "should do" with the information you present, these messages seem almost more like a shotgun full of blame with a hint at how to fix an issue, this website is entertaining and fun to participate in but ultimately I am here to learn, please help me do so.

[Hervé]

About those discrepancies... another way to look at 'em:

From http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/12/18/how-the-newtown-massacre-became-a-mind-control-television-event/:



How the Newtown Massacre Became a Mind-Control Television Event


by Jon Rappoport
www.nomorefakenews.com (http://www.nomorefakenews.com)


Mind control. Mass hypnosis. Operant conditioning. Brain entrainment. That’s what we’re talking about here. We’re so conditioned to how television covers life that we rarely step back and take notice. In the case of massive disasters and crimes, network news rules the roost. First, the premiere anchors, who are managing editors of their own broadcasts, give themselves the go signal. They will leave their comfortable chairs and travel to the scene of crime. “It’s that big.” The anchors lend gravitas. Their mere presence lets the audience know this story trumps all other news of the moment. That’s the first hypnotic cue and suggestion. Of course, the anchors were not in Newtown, Connecticut, as reporters. They weren’t there to dig up facts. Their physical presence at the Sandy Hook School and in the town was utterly irrelevant. They could have been doing their newscasts from their studios in New York. Or from a broom closet.


But much better to be standing somewhere in Newtown. It imparts the sense of crisis to the viewing millions. At the same time, the anchors are also there to give assurance. The subliminal message they transmit is: whatever has happened here is controllable. The audience knows the anchors will provide the meaning and the official voice of the tragedy. The anchors are, in a way, priests, intoning their benediction to the suffering and their elegies to the dead. This is what the audience expects, and this is what they get.


This expectation, in fact, is so deep that anything else would be considered an insult, a moral crime. For example, suppose a network suddenly shifted gears and began interviewing police and residents and asking tough questions about contradictions in the official scenario. Suppose that became the primary focus. Suppose the tone became argumentative, in the interest of, God forbid, the truth.


In other words, in a jarring shift of perspective, the anchors began asking questions to seek answers. What a concept. No, a priest doesn’t browbeat a parishioner. He takes confession and then offers a route to redemption. But if, by some miracle, these anchors launched a quest for truth, the whole scene would devolve into uncertainty and even chaos. “First, there was a man in the woods. You people chased him. You pinned him down and brought him back into town. Who is he? What’s his name? Where is he? Is he under questioning? What are you asking him? What gave you a clue that he might be a second shooter? Come on. Talk to us. People want to know. We aren’t going anywhere. We want some answers.” This is called reporting, a foreign enterprise to these blown-dried kings and queens of media news “Sir, I know ABC definitively reported there was a second shooter. They said you gave them that information. Where did you get it?…No, I’m sorry, that’s not an answer, that’s a non-sequitur.” Those of us reporting online declare there is something amiss when the second-shooter story is dropped like a hot potato…and we are called conspiracy theorists.Get it? Trying to ask relevant questions becomes conspiracy only because the major media didn’t do their job in the first place. “Sir, was it one gun found in trunk of the car or three? Show me the car. Yes. Let’s see it. I want to get the license plate. Excuse me? The car is what, some kind of state secret? I don’t think so. There are twenty dead children in that school over there, and we want to get to the bottom of this. Take me to the car.” It’s called an investigation. Reporters do that.


“Sir, your newspaper ran a story about a man’s body being found in Adam’s brother’s apartment. Then that became Adam’s mother found dead in her own house here in Newtown. What exactly happened there? A mistake? Wouldn’t you say that was a pretty big mistake? How did it happen? What’s that? Typical confusion in the early reporting of a crime? I don’t think so. Thinking a woman was a man and thinking he or she was found in New Jersey instead of Connecticut, that’s not typical at all. Did police find a man’s body. Speak up.”


Your typical American television viewer would cringe at such demanding questions. You know why? Because he has been entrained and conditioned by news anchors to refrain from digging below the surface. In other words, that viewer is hypnotized. “Dr. Smith and Officer Jones, we understand that this boy, who was autistic, extremely shy, who had some sort of personality disorder, went into that school and methodically carried out the slaughter of twenty-seven people. In order for him to do that, he had to reload clips at least twice after the first clip ran out. Does that make sense? We’re not just talking about a violent outburst here, we’re talking about a methodical massacre. How do you explain that?” If these anchors kept on asking questions like this, do you know what would happen? The viewing audience would begin to stir, would begin to break through their hypnotic programming and wake up. “You know, he’s right. That doesn’t make sense. Maybe there really was a second shooter.”


Or “that Lanza kid…maybe he didn’t kill anybody at all.” “What? You mean he was…set up?” “Maybe he was a patsy.” Yes. Instead of this kind of talk being consigned to “conspiracy nuts,” it actually becomes part of the evening news experience. Because reporters suddenly ask tough questions. But no. We have to go with grief and shock. We have to lead with it and stay with it. But that is an artificial construct. Yes, of course people in Newtown feel great shock and pain and loss and grief and horror, but the news producers are consciously moving minutes and hours of it through the tube and filtering out everything else. They do this every time one of these events occurs, and so the audience expects it and soaks it in and, in that state of entrainment and hypnosis, the audience doesn’t want anything else…because anything else would BREAK THE FLOW and the spell, and the grief would no longer have the same impact. Newtown is presented as a television event. From the outset, the mood is funereal. It has that tinge and coloration. The audience absorbs it and wants no intrusion on it. This is Matrix programming.


The anchor is not only the priest, but also the teacher. He/she shows the audience how to experience the event and what to feel and what to think and how to act. One of the great skills of an anchor is the ability to present the news seamlessly. This is what those big paychecks are for: the blends and segueways and the underlying tone of sincerity that bleeds into every detail of what is being reported.


That is also hypnotic. It sets up a frequency that moves into the brains of the audience. In those brains, it’s an Acceptance-frequency. It’s the mark of a great news anchor, to be able to transmit that and achieve it. Scott Pelley (CBS) has only some of that. Diane Sawyer (ABC) is decidedly inconsistent in her ability to deploy it. Brian Williams (NBC) is the contemporary master. That’s why he’s been called the Walter Cronkite of the 21st century. “Sir, we have a report that police pinned a second man on the ground just outside the school. What is his name? What did you do with him? Where is he now.” No, no, no, no, no. That would crack the Acceptance-frequency like an egg and send the evening news to hell in a handbasket. “Sir, I’m glad we finally located you. We understand you were getting ready to go to Bermuda. Now, you were Adam Lanza’s doctor. What drugs did you prescribe him? Not just recently, but going all the way back to the beginning. You see, we’ve compiled a list of possible drugs for Asperger’s and autism and depression, and of course we see that they do, in fact, induce violent behavior. Suicide, homicide. Speak up, Doctor.” The egg not only cracks in that case, the news anchor is suspended the next day, and the network releases a statement that his “breakdown” on camera was brought on by stress. Pharmaceutical companies put him on their “to-do” list. Yet, the questions about the drugs are exactly what a real reporter would ask. Not a “conspiracy theorist.” A reporter, on the scene in Newtown. Anyone who thinks that is absurd and out of bounds is hypnotized, programmed. That’s all there is to it.Traditional media are dying in this country. Their money is drying up. They could revitalize themselves in a New York minute if they really started COVERING stories and waking up their audience, but that’s not on their agenda. They would rather die. They are the hired hands of the elites that own this country. They are the whores sent out every day by their pimps, and they know what their job is and what it isn’t.


The direction of elite television news is squeezed down the path of consciously constructing artificial events, for mass consumption experienced in a state of emotional, mental, physical, and spiritual mind-control. Those reporters who venture outside that framework are labeled fringe figures on the margins “Lieutenant, excuse me. Hello. Brian Williams, NBC News. I was wondering: if there had been armed employees inside the school, what are the chances the killer could have been stopped before he shot all those children? You know, people who have been trained to shoot and have concealed carry permits. Strong people who could confront a murderer.” Oh, people say, that is not a reasonable question. That’s a nutcase question. That question shouldn’t be asked. Why not? You want the real answer? Because it destroys the hypnotic frequency that is being delivered by the television networks. That’s the real answer. The viewer: “Don’t bother me, I’m hypnotized. Don’t interrupt the frequency my brain is absorbing while I’m watching the news.”


And of course, under those conditions, the very last person who should interrupt the hypnotic flow is the anchor himself. He’s the one who’s inducing the hypnosis in the first place.That tells you the anchor is quite definitely NOT there to dig up new facts or perspectives himself. Entrainment means: the brain is being bathed in rhythms and frequencies that literally train it to accept the information that is being transmitted at the same time. In the same way, a song can succeed because the melody (carrier frequency) makes the trite lyrics seem important. Entrainment also makes the recipient feel he is part of something larger. This is a key component. The recipient senses he is a member of a collective that is sharing a moment, an experience. “I feel this way, and everybody else does too.”


This is what substitutes, in our society, for individual experience and self-sufficiency. But this collective is not real community. It only appears and feels that way. It is mass hypnosis. You can find that in Gregorian chants and in sermons. You can find it in political speeches. The brain is bathed in certain harmonies and responds by Accepting. The Globalists’ language is replete with entrainment. “We are all in this together.” “We are healing the planet.” “All of us must strive to make a better world for our children.” It sounds right, it seems right, but it is delivered to create a collective instead of a real community. Take a few minutes and read Monsanto’s literature. Read it out loud. Listen to yourself. Try to impart convincing rhythms to the phrases. All of a sudden, you’re in the flow. You’re practicing entrainment. This is what network television news does. And we aren’t even talking about the hypnotic effects of the physical signals that deliver the picture to the audience.


In a previous article, I pointed out that, if we are to believe the network coverage of the Newtown massacre, there wasn’t one angry outraged man or woman in the town. Because we didn’t see them onscreen. The networks made sure of that. This was a conscious choice on their part. “My son died in that school and I want to know why. I want to know exactly how the killer got in there. Who let him in? How did he get in? I WANT TO KNOW.” Sorry, that isn’t part of the coverage. It would interrupt the entrainment. “Sorry, sir, you’ll have to back away. We’re doing mass hypnosis and mind control here. You’re breaking the rhythm.”


Instead, that angry man will be funneled to a grief counselor, who will try to soothe his outrage. “Sir, we all have to find a way to begin the healing.” Events like Newtown are extraordinary teaching moments for television. Network newscasts display a constellation of emotions that are deemed “acceptable and appropriate” for the audience to experience. And the audience is thereby trained to mirror those emotions, to feel them, to express them, to soak in them.


It’s a closed system.


This is how, incidentally, gun control works so well. It’s part of the overall message. The audience, existing inside that closed system, in that state of mass hypnosis, can be pointed to exactly the wrong remedy for the tragedy. All the network anchor has to do is frown and shake his head a little, when the subject of guns arises. That’s all it takes, and the brains of the audience suck it in: “Yes, of course. Take away the guns. If no one had guns, no one could shoot guns. No one would die. No crimes would be committed. How obvious.” The capstone that makes this puerile grand solution seem reasonable is: the police are always the good guys; we can trust them; they can have all the guns and then everything will be all right. That message is also imparted by the big-time network new anchors. These kings and queens don’t ask police the tough questions. They refrain from doing that.In fact, the anchors ARE surrogate police chiefs. They express what the police chiefs would, if they had the anchors’ skills. The anchors do stand-ups in Newtown and give us the absolute best of what the police would if they could. And in the process, they transmit: Entrainment. Mass hypnosis. Mind control. Operant conditioning. It’s perfect, if you want to be an android.


Jon Rappoport

[T Smith]

As much as I agree that there are things about this that don't add up, I find this totally disrespectful of the grieving parents. A simple Google will show hundreds of links for the funerals held yesterday. Here's one, for instance. http://www.vosizneias.com/119625/2012/12/17/newtown-ct-conn-gov-attends-the-first-funerals-for-jewish-victims/

Plus, Investigators are searching smashed computers for clues to a motive behind the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.
http://www.waff.com/story/20361117/funerals-begin-for-newton-school-shooting-victims

Most interesting is that there are 2 people recovering from their wounds, eye-witnesses, and it will be quite revealing to hear what they have to say, if we are ever privy to that information.

While I understand your point, this list and these questions pale in comparison to the media circus and political exploitation of this tragedy, to mention utter disrespect for the grieving families.

In my view, the best way to honor the victims is to seek the truth to what happened.

[sigma6]

What did the ex head of the US Army Intelligence and Security Command, Major General Bert Stubblebine say? (He was also a chemist, by trade, as in 'alchemy', of a quantum nature, was his specialty) - and I paraphrase): 'If people only knew the power that they individually have at their command.....'
Yes, things really are as serious as I'm trying to indicate, here. The undercurrent of what I'm trying to say REALLY IS what reality itself most seriously is.
Stop lying to yourself, in fear and pain, and confusion. You are both the answer and the question. You. it is not external. It never was external and never will be. You.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying Carmody, I know someone studying the I AM discourses and meeting up with a student of the Ascended Masters, he said they told hime there was a meeting in 1887 with the world elite at the time how they were supposed to set up 'commerce' (or some system for managing all the wealth) and he said they also mentioned to him that everything today is set up to "tempt souls"... have to admit, I didn't find that too hard to believe...

I just made a recent post on the potential of mind, funny you mentioned it... Mind Science Kept Hidden (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53319-Mind-Science-Kept-Hidden-Documentary&p=601858&viewfull=1#post601858)

[ThePythonicCow]

The same applies to you. On all levels. Every stinking tiny and big level you can possibly imagine or ponder, mentally, physically, and emotionally.

Understand this to the point that you live it, in each moment, 24/7. Until you shine that much light on your own ego-body, you will never resolve or understand the sheer depth of it's existence and control over your every thought formation, and mental projections in mind and what you call existence and life.

so, your question should not all be about 'did the 'Illuminati' create or be involved in this 'satanic scenario, in order to **** us over', but...'did we, as a collective, drive to this place, and create it, whole cloth?'. And, does our lack of knowledge of this, as a reality, constitute the one thing that they do not want us to know?

What did the ex head of the US Army Intelligence and Security Command, Major General Bert Stubblebine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine) say? (He was also a chemist, by trade, as in 'alchemy', of a quantum nature, was his specialty) - and I paraphrase): 'If people only knew the power that they individually have at their command.....'

Yes, things really are as serious as I'm trying to indicate, here. The undercurrent of what I'm trying to say REALLY IS what reality itself most seriously is.

Stop lying to yourself, in fear and pain, and confusion. You are both the answer and the question. You. it is not external. It never was external and never will be. You.

But, you see, the vast majority of the people who read this, will find that they somehow 'forget' what I just wrote here. They will forget it and move on, in minutes, in most cases.

The real question should be, "Now..how did that happen?' How can you possibly manage to forget the way out? How?

Think.......

Your comments (well, my reading of them) feel slightly backwards to me.

My sense is that strength comes not from reminding ourselves we really have such strength, but rather that strength naturally comes when and where we have a particular sort of awareness, an unentangled intimacy with some slice of what is.

The mother of modest build who lifts a fallen car off her toddler needs no reminder of her strength, nor is she surprised by it, even if she had never known of it before. She's too busy lifting a car and rescuing her toddler. She is aware of a way to save her toddler, and thus it shall be.

The ego-body has a purpose - self-preservation - keeping our ass alive and "in the game." But it tries to tie us down "for our own safety", like the ropes the Lilliputians used to hold down Gulliver. Our ego-body knows no more subtle way to ensure its goals are met. Look closely, find each such rope, sever it, and stand up, free to move about and to be aware of more, while still finding ways to meet one's basic needs.

Just as we let the institutions of civilization blind and enslave us in an effort to secure our public safety and well being, similarly we let our ego-body blind and enslave us in an effort to secure our personal safety and well being.

Keep noticing, including noticing that which hinders the noticing. The rest follows.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

If there is any positive to come from such a tragedy, it is the discussion that it has provoked within communities such as this.

There are those out there who will just swallow what is being fed to them, but there are those out there such as these communities, who are out asking the questions. I am really enjoying the focus of these discussions, and I am seeing points of view being expanded.

[seko]

I might be a little off the topic but there is a movie (cheap and stupid) called: " Sandy Hook lingerie party massacre " 2000. Here is the review http://aslashabove.com/2012/07/20/sandy-hook-lingerie-party-massacre-2000-review/

What i found interesting is in the poster of the movie, the word ... Hurricane and of course the words " Sandy Hook massacre "

Now the review starts with these words.
Review by Luisito Joaquín González

So here we have Sandy Hook Lingerie Party Massacre. Let’s say that again, SANDY HOOK LINGERIE PARTY MASSACRE! What do you think of when you see that combination of words? What’s in a title anyway? Does it have a cryptic meaning? Who is Sandy Hook? What on earth am I writing about? Let’s move on…

The rest of the review is not worth it.

So this guy sounds like if he wants the reader to notice about the name of the title of this film.

The review of this film came out this year. A bit late???

The director is Timothy Green Beckley, he is a paranormal investigator and Ufologist who has been on Coast to Coast http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/beckley-timothy-green/7093

[Referee]

I might be a little off the topic but there is a movie (cheap and stupid) called: " Sandy Hook lingerie party massacre " 2000. Here is the review http://aslashabove.com/2012/07/20/sandy-hook-lingerie-party-massacre-2000-review/

What i found interesting is in the poster of the movie, the word ... Hurricane and of course the words " Sandy Hook massacre "

Now the review starts with this words.
Review by Luisito Joaquín González

So here we have Sandy Hook Lingerie Party Massacre. Let’s say that again, SANDY HOOK LINGERIE PARTY MASSACRE! What do you think of when you see that combination of words? What’s in a title anyway? Does it have a cryptic meaning? Who is Sandy Hook? What on earth am I writing about? Let’s move on…

The rest of the review is not worth it.

So this guy sounds like if he wants the reader to notice about the name of the title of this film.

The review of this film came out this year. A bit late???

The director is Timothy Green Beckley, he is a paranormal investigator and Ufologist who has been on Coast to Coast http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/beckley-timothy-green/7093

Shocking Info Thanks for Posting!!!

[Carmody]

Your comments (well, my reading of them) feel slightly backwards to me.

My sense is that strength comes not from reminding ourselves we really have such strength, but rather that strength naturally comes when and where we have a particular sort of awareness, an unentangled intimacy with some slice of what is.

The mother of modest build who lifts a fallen car off her toddler needs no reminder of her strength, nor is she surprised by it, even if she had never known of it before. She's too busy lifting a car and rescuing her toddler. She is aware of a way to save her toddler, and thus it shall be.

The ego-body has a purpose - self-preservation - keeping our ass alive and "in the game." But it tries to tie us down "for our own safety", like the ropes the Lilliputians used to hold down Gulliver. Our ego-body knows no more subtle way to ensure its goals are met. Look closely, find each such rope, sever it, and stand up, free to move about and to be aware of more, while still finding ways to meet one's basic needs.

Just as we let the institutions of civilization blind and enslave us in an effort to secure our public safety and well being, similarly we let our ego-body blind and enslave us in an effort to secure our personal safety and well being.

Keep noticing, including noticing that which hinders the noticing. The rest follows.

I keep saying it in different ways. due to human emotions, it tends to follow a few or minimally varied flavours. If I hand out the same message, every time, then it only gets through to a few.

The other major component being that the problem is internal. To the self. individual. Seven billion different visualizations and realities of windmills to tilt at. Commonalities abound..but....

[ThePythonicCow]

I keep saying it in different ways. due to human emotions, it tends to follow a few or minimally varied flavours.
Keep up the good work :).

[spiritguide]

Update from Veterans today...12/19/12 List of descrepencies regarding lone gunman theory.

From an anonymous email spreading around the country:

■As days have passed, key issues involving the Sandy Hook terror attack have been cited as “debunking” the “lone gunman” cover story.
■From a viral email that is growing every hour with more reasons to doubt the official story:
■According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother’s ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan – whom officials say is very cooperative – claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft?
■According to the official story, Adam Lanza was wearing a black outfit with a mask and bulletproof vest. Why would he want to hide his identity, and why would he wear a bulletproof vest if he planned to kill himself?
■The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with 223 (rifle) casings. However, Adam Lanza was found dead at the school with only handguns – a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. Then he could not have possibly been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did then?
■According to the official story, the killings was tightly confined to two classrooms. Then why were so many children told to close their eyes while leaving the building?
■Joanne Didonato, the principal’s secretary, called in sick on Friday – something she rarely does. So presumably, she must have been awfully ill. Yet she then felt well enough to give an interview. “Of all days,” she said, emphasizing the strange coincidence.
■Why were there such persistent reports that Mrs. Lanza was a kindergarten teacher, and that she died at the school when the new official story is that she was not connected to the school and was killed at home?
■What happened to the report that Adam Lanza’s girlfriend and another friend were missing in New Jersey?
■What happened to the woodsman in a black jacket and camo pants who was arrested and handcuffed outside the school? He actually shouted to parents, “It wasn’t me.” Who was he and what was he doing there?
■What happened to the dark van or SUV that the police surrounded in the parking lot or the maroon sedan with a blown-out back window they were on the lookout for?
■The official story is that Nancy Lanza was a gun collector, who obeyed the law. But since 20-year-olds are not permitted to buy guns or ammo or carry guns in Connecticut, why would she give her “autistic” son access to both guns and ammo?
■A child asserts that he/she heard someone say, “Put your hands up,” followed by the reply, “Don’t shoot.” This indicates that the police took a suspect into custody inside the school. But if that was Adam Lanza, how did he kill himself after that point?
■Another child asserts that he/she saw a man pinned down to the ground with handcuffs on. Again, this indicates that the police took a suspect into custody. If that was Adam Lanza, how did he then kill himself?
■Is it reasonable for a geeky 20-year-old to carry two pistols and hundreds of rounds of ammunition while wearing a bulletproof vest and a mask?
■Did the school have one or more security cameras? What do they show?
■Why did a police officer specifically mention on radio that “they’re coming at me through this wood” followed by a fellow officer saying, “This is it”?
■One officer at the school said, “We’ve got one suspect down.” Who was that? Down in this situation generally means in custody (on the ground and cuffed) not dead.
■Why is Adam Lanza reported to be a loner when a teenager said (oxymoronically), “[Lanza and his friends] always gathered alone in a corner in school”?
■Why are Ryan Lanza and his roommates still in custody, and why are the police pretending that it is for their own benefit?
■Is it a coincidence that Nancy Lanza’s brother is Kingston Police Officer James Champion, who lives next door to the former Lanza home?
■Today, Fox News tells us that Adam Lanza had no history of mental illness, was not on any medication and had never been diagnosed

Seems that the above items need ferreting before conclusions are arrived at.

Link to article..... http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/19/super-viral-israeli-death-squads-involved-in-sandy-hook-bloodbath-intelligence-analyst/

[Vitalux]

Update from Veterans today...12/16/12 List of descrepencies regarding lone gunman theory.

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*WOW*

I love the power of Avalon" Crew to find truth and awareness :yu:

It gives me great hope for power to the people.

Could you imagine the distance we can keep up this growth in awareness.


A very proud Member here. :tea:

Thank you all

[ThePythonicCow]

Update from Veterans today...12/16/12 List of descrepencies regarding lone gunman theory.


*WOW*

I love the power of Avalon" Crew to find truth and awareness :yu:

I just moved the above two posts from another thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53156-Connecticut-shooting-26-dead-18-children...&p=602340&viewfull=1#post602340), where they were initially posted, to this thread, which is already discussing another variation of this list of discrepancies.

[s3nru]

The libor scandal connection is a red herring (same as in the aurora shooting, neither father was scheduled to testify). Lanza was vp at ge though, and he was a busy bee while working there.

[TargeT]

the offical story certainly seems to deflect interest from the fater.


Peter Lanza, Adam Lanza's Father, Was Cut Off From Son Before Sandy Hook Shooting: Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/peter-lanza-adam-lanza_n_2324979.html

[CdnSirian]

Snippets today from http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2012/12/No28.html:
" Counting Victims as Victims, Not Killers' Body Counts

First off, what is wrong with the general ability of people to count? Twenty-six wreaths, twenty-six candles, even twenty-six flares.

But, at Newtown, on that horrific day of violence, 28 people died. Twenty children at the school, six teachers and staff at the school, the shooter's mother at her home, and the shooter by his own hand at the school. Twenty-eight. 28. There is no reason to de-humanize Nancy Lanza and Adam Lanza by not counting them."

"Bretton Woods

Breaking news today was that Adam Lanza was alone in the days leading up to the Newstown shooting, when his mother had traveled to Bretton Woods Resort, New Hampshire, to take a mini-vacation. Adam Lanza was was unsupervised for two and a half days with his mom’s guns before Friday’s massacre, according to a new report from HLN."

"How about the video games played by Adam Lanza? Over-the-top comments have been posted on the web about Lanza playing various video games nonstop. But the recent concentrated discussion of his alleged obsession with one specific game, according to my consultant CCCC, fails to take into account that "Starcraft is a strategy game and only one of the races even uses guns (the other two are insectoid and psionic). That's the media though."

"On a smaller scale, I too have been quietly cautioning that the copycat shooters appear to be moving from school, workplace, and postal shootings to church, mall, and theater violence, then returning to school venues, often, as their captive "fishbowl" theaters of murder. These, of course, are frequently followed by the actual purpose of the shooting - the suicide or suicide-by-cop of the shooter.

I have been aware that sporting events - baseball games, football contests, and other large audience confined stadium events - may be the next "target."

It was especially disturbing to see that in The Dark Knight Rises, it was at a football game where Bane declared the beginning of the chaos that would destroy Gotham City. And then it began there."

More at the link above.

[SilentFeathers]

Hmmmmm????

S59IXI9g6VE

[SilentFeathers]

MORE MAJOR DISCREPANCIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The coroner himself says every, EVERY death was caused by the "long rifle", so it is safe to say according to the "coroners" TESTIMONY thus far that not one death was caused by a hand gun folk's!

BTW, the coroner sure does act weird and seems to be a nut case himself! IMO

JV3KYBS64R8

Oh yeah, BTW also, wasn't the "long rifle" found in the shooters car?????????????

[Flash]

How do you expect a coroner to be normal with the kind of job they are doing. By definition, you have to be not quite all there emotionally at least. One of my acquaintance has done that job for a while, he stopped, he could not handle what it was doing to him on the emotional/empahty levels. Even if he tried to remained detached and distant for each case, trying to see it as laboratory work.

[Jean-Luc]

JV3KYBS64R8


I have never, never seen such a weird interview.

I am afraid the attitude of this coroner lends credit to this weird hypothesis...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53354-The-Dead-Sandy-Hook-Kids-MAY-STILL-BE-ALIVE-NOW

which, like any hypothesis, needs to be tested.

[peace]

this is gross.
turn off the tv and the computer.
take a walk.

[TargeT]

"Bretton Woods
Breaking news today was that Adam Lanza was alone in the days leading up to the Newstown shooting, when his mother had traveled to Bretton Woods Resort, New Hampshire, to take a mini-vacation. Adam Lanza was was unsupervised for two and a half days with his mom’s guns before Friday’s massacre, according to a new report from HLN.".

for some reason my brain latched on to this.... it could just be simple pattern reccognition...



A Retrospective on the Bretton Woods System: Lessons for International Monetary Reform (National Bureau of Economic Research Project Report)


Book Title :A Retrospective on the Bretton Woods System: Lessons for International Monetary Reform (National Bureau of Economic Research Project Report)

At the close of the Second World War, when industrialized nations faced serious trade and financial imbalances, delegates from fortyfour countries met in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, in order to reconstruct the international monetary system. In this volume, three generations of scholars and policy makers, some of whom participated in the 1944 conference, consider how the Bretton Woods System contributed to unprecedented economic stability and rapid growth for 25 years and discuss the problems that plagued the system and led to its eventual collapse in 1971. The contributors explore adjustment, liquidity, and transmission under the System the way it affected developing countries and the role of the International Monetary Fund in maintaining a stable rate. The authors examine the reasons for the System's success and eventual collapse, compare it to subsequent monetary regimes, such as the European Monetary System, and address the possibility of a new fixed exchange rate for today's world.

GVytOtfPZe8

I also thought I had heard "bretton woods" in a movie recently, but I cannot find it via google.. very possibly nothing here..

[CdnSirian]

"Bretton Woods
Breaking news today was that Adam Lanza was alone in the days leading up to the Newstown shooting, when his mother had traveled to Bretton Woods Resort, New Hampshire, to take a mini-vacation. Adam Lanza was was unsupervised for two and a half days with his mom’s guns before Friday’s massacre, according to a new report from HLN.".

for some reason my brain latched on to this.... it could just be simple pattern reccognition...



A Retrospective on the Bretton Woods System: Lessons for International Monetary Reform (National Bureau of Economic Research Project Report)


Book Title :A Retrospective on the Bretton Woods System: Lessons for International Monetary Reform (National Bureau of Economic Research Project Report)

At the close of the Second World War, when industrialized nations faced serious trade and financial imbalances, delegates from fortyfour countries met in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, in order to reconstruct the international monetary system. In this volume, three generations of scholars and policy makers, some of whom participated in the 1944 conference, consider how the Bretton Woods System contributed to unprecedented economic stability and rapid growth for 25 years and discuss the problems that plagued the system and led to its eventual collapse in 1971. The contributors explore adjustment, liquidity, and transmission under the System the way it affected developing countries and the role of the International Monetary Fund in maintaining a stable rate. The authors examine the reasons for the System's success and eventual collapse, compare it to subsequent monetary regimes, such as the European Monetary System, and address the possibility of a new fixed exchange rate for today's world.

GVytOtfPZe8

I also thought I had heard "bretton woods" in a movie recently, but I cannot find it via google.. very possibly nothing here..

Loren Coleman author of Copy Cat Effect wrote "The Mount Washington Hotel and Resort is one in the last surviving New Hampshire grand hotels.

The Mount Washington Hotel in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, was recently mentioned on Olive Stone's The Untold History of the United States. Preparing to rebuild the international economic system as World War II was still raging, 730 delegates from all 44 Allied nations gathered at the Mount Washington Hotel in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, United States, for the United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference. The delegates deliberated during 1–22 July 1944, and signed the Agreement on its final day. This historic Bretton Woods conference in 1944 that laid the groundwork for the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.

The hotel was featured in an episode of the television series Ghost Hunters, when it was searched by the TAPS paranormal investigation team on February 6, 2008. I was a guest of Jason Hawkes and Grant Wilson at two TAPS conferences held at this elegant hotel, and I spoke in the same grand ballroom where the 1944 Bretton Woods conference occurred. (In 2011, George Soros convened Bretton Woods II.)"

So there has been a Bretton Woods II, recently.

[Mozart]

MK-ULTRA apparently is deeply involved in this Sandy Hook mess, no surprise there...

http://rense.com/general95/mkultra.html

[ThePythonicCow]

MK-ULTRA apparently is deeply involved in this Sandy Hook mess, no surprise there...

http://rense.com/general95/mkultra.html
Thanks for that link - interesting.

This article starts off seeming to be more general, but gets into specific details later on.

One way to read it is to search for the word "Connecticut" to identify the details more specifically related to the current Sandy Hook Newtown Massacre. Newtown is in the state of Connecticut, USA.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

Here is something else for you all to mull over that I just found via a friends Fb page who has been looking into this stuff... let me knwo what you all thing. I will attach a pic and also a you tube video relating to some of the actors in question.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/60053_437202716335036_306101377_n.jpg

http://youtu.be/AfScPPysADQ

I don't knwo how long either of these will be available for, and if they have been debunked I apologise. I just though I would open it up to more investigation.

Thank You
PVM

[Camilo]

CARLOS SANTANA ON CONNECTICUT SHOOTING:

We are a violent country; that is our history & our present. It is internalized in all of us. We kill for money, for power, for influence & for attention. I say "we" because I am a taxpayer & my money supports wars abroad as well as mass incarceration at home. Time to stop acting surprised when Americans kill children on our own lands; we do it abroad in the name of "anti terrorism" "foreign aid"
& "democracy" everyday. On every continent. Indigenous children are most often the ones under attack, simply because their existence challenges America's reign of superiority. Until our culture learns to value human life over currency & power, this will be our reality.

True, a country built on dehumanization is likely to perpetuate cycles of violence. There is hope though, because culture is not set in stone! We are subject to it, but we also shape it. Banning weapons is not culture shaping, it is just law. Shaping culture starts with how we educate our youth on how to place value on community & our place in Mother Nature. & we must speak truthfully about our history. Do not lose hope, fam. Let's get educated on this issue of violence...

Even at home, we criminalize our youth before they even know how to read, destining them for a future in prison or 6 feet under. Do you value all life the same? Do you think things have no value except as commodity? Do you think children whose parents don't like America's policies of violence deserve to die? Let's change what we teach our future generations so that they don't have to wake up everyday in the middle of multiple wars. All it takes is a willingness to change how we treat each other & how we perceive ourselves. Life is too beautiful to keep robbing children of their futures. Peace.

[modwiz]

"Bretton Woods
Breaking news today was that Adam Lanza was alone in the days leading up to the Newstown shooting, when his mother had traveled to Bretton Woods Resort, New Hampshire, to take a mini-vacation. Adam Lanza was was unsupervised for two and a half days with his mom’s guns before Friday’s massacre, according to a new report from HLN.".

for some reason my brain latched on to this.... it could just be simple pattern reccognition...



A Retrospective on the Bretton Woods System: Lessons for International Monetary Reform (National Bureau of Economic Research Project Report)


Book Title :A Retrospective on the Bretton Woods System: Lessons for International Monetary Reform (National Bureau of Economic Research Project Report)

At the close of the Second World War, when industrialized nations faced serious trade and financial imbalances, delegates from fortyfour countries met in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, in order to reconstruct the international monetary system. In this volume, three generations of scholars and policy makers, some of whom participated in the 1944 conference, consider how the Bretton Woods System contributed to unprecedented economic stability and rapid growth for 25 years and discuss the problems that plagued the system and led to its eventual collapse in 1971. The contributors explore adjustment, liquidity, and transmission under the System the way it affected developing countries and the role of the International Monetary Fund in maintaining a stable rate. The authors examine the reasons for the System's success and eventual collapse, compare it to subsequent monetary regimes, such as the European Monetary System, and address the possibility of a new fixed exchange rate for today's world.


I also thought I had heard "bretton woods" in a movie recently, but I cannot find it via google.. very possibly nothing here..

Thanks, TargetT. Those two words rang a loud bell in my head. There is something huge building and unraveling at the same time. Dots to be connected are being put out. Psychopaths love to drop morsels in front of people. Their contempt for average intelligence make them do it out of spiteful delight. Sure, the average person is a butter knife, but there are also some razor sharp minds involved here. What utility seeing these things will have, remains to be seen.

[Flash]

Here is something else for you all to mull over that I just found via a friends Fb page who has been looking into this stuff... let me knwo what you all thing. I will attach a pic and also a you tube video relating to some of the actors in question.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/60053_437202716335036_306101377_n.jpg

http://youtu.be/AfScPPysADQ

I don't knwo how long either of these will be available for, and if they have been debunked I apologise. I just though I would open it up to more investigation.

Thank You
PVM

Holy sh i t, I may have been wrong after all, this really looks suspicious, those pictures

[TargeT]

My analysis of the coroner video is that it sounds like "professional" gunmen were used

see post here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53354-The-Dead-Sandy-Hook-Kids-MAY-STILL-BE-ALIVE-NOW&p=602909&viewfull=1#post602909 (put it in the wrong thread accidently)

[Referee]

More Batman connections people wer mailed things from the Dark Night movie that said attack Snay Hook. Aj breaks it down. If this is true someone needs to come forward with this!!!!

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[ThePythonicCow]

Holy sh i t, I may have been wrong after all, this really looks suspicious, those pictures
Careful - from the Youtube channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfScPPysADQ&feature=youtu.be) I see that DallasGoldBug posted this.

DallasGoldBug has a long and dubious history documented here on this forum, for putting up such matches of people, frequently of dubious value, sometimes of clearly bogus value.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

the reason why I left it iopen to debate and for people to watch the video and make their own minds up Paul.

i thought it was of interest and might add something. Whether it is to be debunked or not is up to everyone else.

PVM.

[ThePythonicCow]

the reason why I left it iopen to debate and for people to watch the video and make their own minds up Paul.
And that's why I added my note about DallasGoldBug ... it could be useful in helping others make their own minds up :).

[Hervé]

A few other discrepancies to add to the list:

From http://www.sott.net/article/254925-Sandy-Hook-massacre-Evidence-of-official-foreknowledge:

Sandy Hook massacre: Evidence of official foreknowledge? (http://www.sott.net/article/254925-Sandy-Hook-massacre-Evidence-of-official-foreknowledge#)


Niall Bradley
Sott.net
Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:35 CST


http://www.sott.net/image/image/s6/124336/large/connecticut_school_shooting_jp.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/image/s6/124336/full/connecticut_school_shooting_jp.jpg)
© CBS

The moment it emerged that he was alive and was taken into police custody in Hoboken, New Jersey, many if not all of the statements previously made to the press by anonymous 'law enforcement officials' regarding Ryan Lanza and his connections could no longer have been known beforehand.

In the following passage of my previous article (http://www.sott.net/article/254873-Sandy-Hook-massacre-Official-story-spins-out-of-control) on the Sandy Hook elementary school massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, I made the following reference to Ryan Lanza being the named second suspect caught armed in the adjacent woods:

Perhaps most astonishingly, this suspect arrested in the woods was named in an Associated Press report as 24-year-old Ryan Lanza. The original report has long since vanished of course, but you can see it referenced here (http://blog.al.com/wire/2012/12/connecticut_elementary_school.html). This was despite the fact that Ryan had already been named as the deceased suspect inside the school, lying next to two handguns.
I have since found the original Associated Press report, which in fact states that it was "Ryan's younger brother", Adam Lanza, who was arrested in the woods. So let's take a closer look at this revealing report.

2:25 p.m. CST -- A FoxNews report (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/16/at-least-26-dead-in-shooting-at-connecticut-school/) said:

witnesses said a handcuffed man, dressed in camouflage was led out of a nearby woods by officers who reported to the shooting. The individual is Lanza's younger brother, according to the Associated Press.
That Fox News report has since been 'updated', but here is the full original text and screenshot of the Associated Press report which places both brothers at the scene, one dead (Ryan), and the other arrested (Adam):

AP source: Suspect is 24; younger brother held (http://news.yahoo.com/ap-source-suspect-24-younger-brother-held-201020173--politics.html)

Pete Yost, Associated Press
Friday, December 14, 2012

http://www.sott.net/image/image/s6/124306/large/AP_confirming_Ryan_second_susp.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/image/s6/124306/full/AP_confirming_Ryan_second_susp.jpg)
© SOTT.net

Washington (AP) - A law enforcement official says the suspect in the Connecticut school shootings is 24-year-old Ryan Lanza and that his younger brother is being held for questioning as a possible second shooter. The law enforcement official says the boys' mother, Nancy Lanza, works at the school as a teacher.

The official also said Ryan Lanza's girlfriend and another friend are missing in New Jersey.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, the official said the suspect is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the source was not authorized to speak on the record about the developing criminal investigation.
Who exactly is this 'law enforcement official' that has access to the premier news agency in the country, and on behalf of which state agency does he/she work for?

How did they even know at this point that Ryan had a younger 20-year-old brother when there are no public records of Adam Lanza since 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibRw4R8j35o) and the two brothers had not seen each other since 2010, as claimed by Ryan? How could they have known on Friday morning that Ryan had a girlfriend and that she and another friend were missing in New Jersey? How did they even know that Ryan had any connection to New Jersey at all? The Lanzas' mother was dead at this point and their father only found out later through a reporter asking him about Adam, who had by then become the 'lone gunman' in the official narrative.

Surely the first point on the timeline at which anyone can even begin to discover these things about Ryan is the moment he piped up on Facebook and said "Hi, I'm alive, I didn't do it, and I live and work down here in New Jersey!" How could 'law enforcement officials' have pieced together details of his life but not known that he was actually still alive in the very location where they stated that his girlfriend had gone missing?

The only way they could have found out all this about Ryan Lanza was if they had 100% positively identified him as the 'dead gunman inside the building', then worked backwards from there by investigating who his next of kin were, then questioning family members, then discovering where he lived and worked, that he had a girlfriend and that she and a friend were missing, etc.

Such things take time to investigate, especially as they would involve cross-checking with police and other officials in New Jersey. And even before that, somebody there would first have had to receive local reports of two missing people before any connection could be made to the shooting in Connecticut.

Even if we granted these 'law enforcement officials' superfast detective powers, they would not have been able to travel back in time to rewrite the script regarding how they knew what they knew about the Lanza brothers, particularly Ryan. Because from the moment the official line was forced to deviate towards saying that Ryan Lanza was no longer the 'dead shooter inside the building', it became impossible for these 'law enforcement officials' who "weren't authorised to speak" (but heck, were telling lots of people lots of things that morning anyway, and whose credentials enabled them to speak through the Associated Press and other media outlets) to have retrospectively discovered all these connections of Ryan.

The only logical conclusion I can draw at this stage is that somebody or some group with high-level media access had FOREKNOWLEDGE of the crime, foreknowledge that is revealed by their 'anonymously' leaking to the press things which they could not otherwise have known, foreknowledge that exposes their hand in originally planning to use both Lanza brothers as patsies.
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The above lead to that other story about Adam having stolen his brother's ID... but since the two hadn't seen each other since 2010, then... how come?

[shadowstalker]

I can't seem to find the Sandy Hook thread so I am putting this here,
Mods if this is already up plz delete. thank you.

Changing Reality with The Hi-Jacker
freerevolutionradio
Published on Dec 20, 2012
Broadcast Date 12/19/2012

NO SHOW DATA PROVIDED BY HOST

Very interesting stuff
I have only listened to 20 minutes thus far, I don't know how much of it is about Sandy Hook


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4gLfy53q_E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4gLfy53q_E

[ThePythonicCow]

I can't seem to find the Sandy Hook thread so I am putting this here,
Mods if this is already up plz delete. thank you.

Changing Reality with The Hi-Jacker -- freerevolutionradio

Very interesting stuff
So far as I can tell, this particular Youtube video hasn't been posted before.

I moved it into one of the existing Sandy Hook threads for you.

However I haven't listened to much of it. It's 1 hour 41 minutes long.

What little bit I did listen to seemed like some of the other discussion on this forum, weighing the various rumors and reported "facts", trying to make sense of it.

If he actually has new information, that would be worth spelling out in a post (readable words) here, so that readers could determine if they wanted to spend the time to listen.

[shadowstalker]

I can't seem to find the Sandy Hook thread so I am putting this here,
Mods if this is already up plz delete. thank you.

Changing Reality with The Hi-Jacker -- freerevolutionradio

Very interesting stuff
So far as I can tell, this particular Youtube video hasn't been posted before.

I moved it into one of the existing Sandy Hook threads for you.

However I haven't listened to much of it. It's 1 hour 41 minutes long.

What little bit I did listen to seemed like some of the other discussion on this forum, weighing the various rumors and reported "facts", trying to make sense of it.

If he actually has new information, that would be worth spelling out in a post (readable words) here, so that readers could determine if they wanted to spend the time to listen.

Dude I dont do dictation lol..
I also don't read that much online stuff as My eyes have gotten worse, that's why i don't go on that much anymore, To much reading and no glasses...lol for real.

[ThePythonicCow]

Dude I dont do dictation lol..
I also don't read that much online stuff as My eyes have gotten worse, that's why i don't go on that much anymore, To much reading and no glasses...lol for real.

Ah - it's my ears that are getting worse, not my eyes :).

I wasn't suggesting dictation, but rather just saying in your own words, after you finish listening, a bit more about what's here.

If there is some important insight or information in a 1 hr 40 minute video, most of us will miss it unless someone (usually the poster) listens first and tells us in their own words an enticing summary of what's important here.

[Hervé]

Here is the two hour recording of the dispatchers commnications with the SWAT and other agencies. It gives the time stamps all along:


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Here is the 2-minute abridged audio version where the encrypted messages have been removed:


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Full article: http://www.sott.net/article/254929-Damage-control-911-Sandy-Hook-emergency-services-live-feed-showed-early-confusion

[Hervé]

From the same article as above http://www.sott.net/article/254929-Damage-control-911-Sandy-Hook-emergency-services-live-feed-showed-early-confusion:


Bursts of gunfire were heard coming from Sandy Hook Elementary School over an 11-minute period, starting around 9:35 a.m. Friday, according to a review of the call. The details of what happened inside the building during that window are still being sorted out by investigators.


Comment: "Bursts of gunfire" would have come from a semi or fully automatic rifle... the official story is that Adam Lanza was found dead with two handguns.


Some parts of the transmission were encrypted and thus inaudible.

Investigators said Lanza first killed his mother at their home on Yogananda Street, then drove to the school, armed with a rifle, two handguns and a shotgun. Initial reports indicated that the shooter "could have multiple weapons, including long rifle and shotguns," the recording shows.



Comment: Actually, it is clearly broadcast in the emergency services' audio feed that "multiple weapons, including long rifles and shotgun" were found inside the building. So it's not "could have" found, it's were found.

It's also interesting that "investigators" are now saying that Adam Lanza drove to the school with "a rifle, two handguns and a shotgun." The rifle was "found in the trunk of a car" that morning, followed by the discovery of the shotgun in what must be a different car, later that evening. Look at this video where the discovery of the rifle is broadcast on US news channels:



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Note that it's dark by now and that .233 Bushmaster rifle is supposed to have been long since found. It doesn't seem likely that they overlooked the shotgun during their first sweep of the car then only found it hours later while a helicopter happened to be overhead with permission to film...

[spiritguide]

Two days ago I was looking through some old photos and seperated this one out to scan. Coincidence maybe but it is a picture of the grand resort at Mt. Washington in NH. This picture is taken from the highway ajacent to it. Tought I would share it for those who would like to conceptualize it in relationship to the Brenton woods comments.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/album.php?albumid=668&attachmentid=19704

Hope this is clear enough.

[Flash]

A repeat of another thread, but it goes with this one as well on the HOW they do it.

Now, instead of actors, what if we had parents, that smile because they are mind controlled to do so, thinking they have their own thinking??? And of course, the killer having the message to kill directly in his head

what about having seen an experiment going on that started by targeting a potential person' mother to go scared, then a potential individual to kill, then having a satanic ritual with children blood, then having a group brain control experiment by implanting reduce reactions and control thoughts within the parents brain, including the coroner by the way and may be even the cops.

Well, I am full fledge into conspiracy here


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=18PtOXrzDVE

[sigma6]

What did the ex head of the US Army Intelligence and Security Command, Major General Bert Stubblebine say? (He was also a chemist, by trade, as in 'alchemy', of a quantum nature, was his specialty) - and I paraphrase): 'If people only knew the power that they individually have at their command.....'
Yes, things really are as serious as I'm trying to indicate, here. The undercurrent of what I'm trying to say REALLY IS what reality itself most seriously is.
Stop lying to yourself, in fear and pain, and confusion. You are both the answer and the question. You. it is not external. It never was external and never will be. You.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying Carmody, I know someone studying the I AM discourses and meeting up with a student of the Ascended Masters, he said they told him there was a meeting in 1887 with the world elite at the time and discussed (told?) them how they were supposed to set up 'commerce' (or some system for managing all the wealth) and he said they also mentioned to him that everything today is set up to "tempt souls"... have to admit, I didn't find that too hard to believe...

I just made a recent post on the potential of mind, funny you mentioned it... Mind Science Kept Hidden (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/editpost.php?do=updatepost&p=601858)

This needs more fleshing out, my grammar corrected (my I'm feeling rather expressive today! haha, I'm sure it's just a placebo!)

The "You" is your experience which is a feeling of "I AM" that eludes conventional 'materialist' (Newtonian) scientific measurements in many cases. As Dr Wolf stated in "What the BLEEP" (there is a pro-active step and you) They have looked everywhere in the human body and couldn't find it. So being the brilliant materialists they were concluded it did not exist (bloody brilliant, but of course who or what just carried out the experiment???? (BIG DUHHHH HERE!))

Even common sense would tell anyone living, that the experience of "I AM" is quite real... Could it be that there is a quantum universe that makes up all physical matter? the very atoms that are the building blocks of all the physical elements? (material reality)

And thus our thinking is backwards, if this world (the material one) is the manifestation (or creation, like a virtual world exists in a computer 'environment') Show me the foundation, the building blocks, or the 'environment that would 'contain' this world... would that not be the quantum world? (a clearly existing, but non physical reality)

Is it possible there is a relationship between consciousness and this 'immaterial' world? Isn't that what quantum physics has been telling us for a hundred years? - YES! (and eastern philosophy for thousands, where do you think they borrowed it from?) Has the answer been staring us all in the (mirror) the whole time?

The "YOU" is your conscious experience... Why take this for granted? When you know this experience (at least in the physical body, is our means of interacting with this physical world, like me typing on this keyboard) and it can all be taken away in heartbeat.

"The miracle of life is not [really] a question to be answered, but a reality to be experienced" - Frank Herbert, 1965
and maybe now we are just starting to know why. [getting our question answered after all...]

I am more convinced each day there is a spiritual component that makes up our "experience" (I AM) interacting within this physical reality, that is itself a manifestation, ie. a product of quantum reality. And this just hit me, my professors used to say... (but they had it a**backwards)... that consciousness is epiphenomenonal to brain activity (ie some kind of 'by product') Those ignorant sops had it 180 degrees backwards!!) ...so I will correct it now...

Quantum physics (and by extension eastern philosophy) and my own experience, is all now clearly telling me that that it is physical reality that is "epi-phenomenal" to quantum reality, and my consciousness is a part of that world and a form of incontrovertible proof of its existence... hahaha!! "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth..."

I feel I should further add... this "you" or conscious experience therefore is something we all are sharing in the 'real time' of Newtonian physics, so in one sense it isn't 'us' individually, except through the physical individual experience, but evidence of this common source from which it is derived. Perhaps "the source" that is commonly referred to both in quantum physics, eastern philosophy and in metaphysics... we do have the power to tap into it... that is our inheritance, our potential...

[Akasha]

Here's the youtube vid from CNN's Youtube channel which shows at 1.38 Nick Phelps and presumably his spouse sharing words about the principal, Dawn Hoppsprung with narrative by Wolf Blitzer:

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and here's DallasGoldbug's video from May 14th 2012:

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Mrs.Phelps does seem to bear a striking resemblance to "Jennifer Sexton".

I wouldn't be altogether too hasty in throwing out the Chiarini baby with the bathwater, although, granted the bathwater doesn't get much dirtier (Topless Inelia, Disney/Hitler etc....)

[161803398]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&SdCTqY8TYIo

[Flash]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&SdCTqY8TYIo

Wow, multiple numbers (161803398-this is worst than writing up all my passwords lol), this is EXTREMELY INTERESTING, MORE THAN A LIBOR CONNECTION IMO. Why more, because it is still more convoluted than one would have thought.

What about if in fact both dads are the straight guys that allowed the fraud to be discovered and prosecuted, what about if much more is coming in GE Capital?

[giovonni]

Note ~ i have purposely stayed away from this due to the negative energies that have emulated from its continuing unfoldment...

This evening though i was listening to Jeff Rense interview Yoichi Shimatsu who usually covers and reports weekly updates on the Japan's Fukishima nuclear disaster... i was taken back, but not surprised by his conversation with Jeff Rense in regards to the almost bizarre tellings that are now coming forth from this tragic story that happened most recently in the state of Connecticut...

Note ~ Mr Shimatsu is a well respected free lance reporter and editor (who also reports on a variety of other news items) for the Asian news market.

Listen for yourself to the first segment of this interview conversation here - http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_Shimatsu_122012.mp3

[Hervé]

[...]

... i was taken back, but not surprised by his conversation with Jeff Rense in regards to the almost bizarre tellings that are now coming forth from this tragic story that happened most recently in the state of Connecticut...

Note ~ Mr Shimatsu is a well respected free lance reporter and editor (who also reports on a variety of other news items) for the Asian news market.

Listen for yourself to the first segment of this interview conversation here - http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_Shimatsu_122012.mp3

The article that Jeff mentions at the beginning of the interview can be found here: http://rense.com/general95/mkultra.html

[Jean-Luc]

Something more to grind here, from http://www.henrymakow.com/whos-really-to-blame-for-school-shooting.html

Seems far fetched at first sight, but I found the attitude of the (laughfing) father troubling, very much as he was acting.
A typical American way of behaving in public? I don't know. No way I could imagine myself showing up such a fake / nervous / polite / hypocritical / facade (pick the one you like) smile on my face in such a situation.

I am not happy at all, in this X-mas eve, finding myself having to speculate on such a sad hypothesis.

Is this "Deceased" Emilie Parker With Obama?

December 21, 2012

http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/628x471.jpg
This girl is wearing the same outfit Emilie wore in a family picture seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk1FFKP-nqU
Here it is:

http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/fampicture.png
Illuminati hiding in plain sight? Is this the same girl wearing the same dress? Or is it her sister (between parents) already wearing the dress of the deceased? Obama and the children seem pretty cheerful considering Emilie was supposedly brutally murdered days before,


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http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/ep.jpeg. .http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/ep1.jpeg
Emilie Parker



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http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/parker.jpeg
Grieving father Robbie Parker

Maybe the reason the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCqOMdcutWQ moments before this image was taken is because his daughter did not die.

[Hervé]

See also this thread where I posted that same article: The "Dead" Sandy Hook Kids MAY STILL BE ALIVE NOW (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53354-The-Dead-Sandy-Hook-Kids-MAY-STILL-BE-ALIVE-NOW)

For some reasons, the pictures copied from Henry Makow's site do not always show up on IE9 or Firefox but can be viewed either on Makow's site or in my post # 49 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53354-The-Dead-Sandy-Hook-Kids-MAY-STILL-BE-ALIVE-NOW&p=603807&viewfull=1#post603807) in the above thread.

[sigma6]

See also this thread where I posted that same article: The "Dead" Sandy Hook Kids MAY STILL BE ALIVE NOW (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53354-The-Dead-Sandy-Hook-Kids-MAY-STILL-BE-ALIVE-NOW)

that would be horrifying if true...

[161803398]

If people would ever seriously address the problem of pedophiles and the slave trade; I think that at least some of our most serious problems would be ameliorated. But most people don't want to address that issue or even think about it. At least that is the impression I get.

[kevlar]

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love kevlar

[modwiz]

See also this thread where I posted that same article: The "Dead" Sandy Hook Kids MAY STILL BE ALIVE NOW (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53354-The-Dead-Sandy-Hook-Kids-MAY-STILL-BE-ALIVE-NOW)

For some reasons, the pictures copied from Henry Makow's site do not always show up on IE9 or Firefox but can be viewed either on Makow's site or in my post # 49 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53354-The-Dead-Sandy-Hook-Kids-MAY-STILL-BE-ALIVE-NOW&p=603807&viewfull=1#post603807) in the above thread.

The Solstice is past. If they were alive, I doubt they are now. The ritual time has passed.

[Mozart]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/20/sandy-hook-massacre-official-story-spins-out-of-control/


I'm reading this article right now, given that the Veterans Today is a good site with good researchers...

[gooty64]

I read that article from Veterans Today.....very interesting.

I am going to agree with this finding from it:
the work of some highly trained professional hit team

PS I'm hearing all day on the radio, "International outpouring of sympathy for the 26 candles/victims of Sandy Hook" isn't that exactly what they were shooting for?

[Referee]

Idahopicker is going to announce something big should be today I am hearing it will blow the doors off the PTWTB.

As soon as I see it I will post here is a teaser.

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[observer]

This video was just posted by Houman in his "Horus-Ra Thread":

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=604433&viewfull=1#post604433


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHlQlWhHg2c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHlQlWhHg2c

I have been a subscriber to Dr. Laibow's Natural Solutions Foundation, http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/ for several years.

The thing I find most unnerving about this latest revelation, that Dr. Laibow has treated Adam Lanza in the past, is not the part about how Dr. Laibow tried to get Adam Lanza off psychotropic drugs, nor the part that he was court ordered back onto these prescription drugs. The part I find most disturbing is the connection Dr. Laibow shares with her companion of many years, Retired Major General Albert N. (Bert) Stubblebine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine). General Stubblebine is the individual, around whom, the movie "Men Who Stare At Goats" was written. General Stubblebine was the individual in charge of the Army's 'Remote Viewing' operation.

I don't find this connection simply coincidental to the "rest of the story".

Dr. Laibow has been tirelessly campaigning against the pharmaceutical industry for many years. Is it simply a coincidence that one of her former patients is now involved in this horrific crime against humanity? I'm not suggesting that General Stubblebine may somehow be involved in the crime, I'm simply wondering why there is this millitary black-ops connection at all to this story.

[Flash]

i would have to relisten to the video Observer, but I do not think the alleged school killer had been her patient. She rather say she had hundreds of patients like him. She uses the "I am Adam's doctor" as the other writing that was saying "I am Adam's mother". She never says that he had direclty been her patient. But I must admit it was confusing somwhat.

However, that she was the companion of Albert N. Stubblebine, this is signigicative.

[observer]

i would have to relisten to the video Observer, but I do not think the alleged school killer had been her patient. She rather say she had hundreds of patients like him. She uses the "I am Adam's doctor" as the other writing that was saying "I am Adam's mother". She never says that he had direclty been her patient. But I must admit it was confusing somwhat.

However, that she was the companion of Albert N. Stubblebine, this is signigicative.

That's what I thought when I first started listening to the video, Flash, but that metaphor doesn't hold-up when you get to the part where Dr. Laibow says she, "has held Adam Lanzo's mother in my arms". Especially after revealing that the clinic where she (Dr. Laibow) used to work was only a few miles away from the town in Connecticut where this all happened.

No..... I think Dr. Laibow is not speaking 'metaphorically'. I believe she is telling us that she was Adam Lanzo's doctor.

Move the timer over to 7:30 and listen to what Dr. Laibow says from that point.

[observer]

....And, if this is truely a fact, that Dr. Rima Liabow was Adam Lanza's doctor, could the fact that she and Retired Major General Stubblebine have been tirelessly campaigning against the pharmaceutical industry for years, contribute to the evidential trail in this case? Could this be an elite retribution to the Natural Solutions Foundation's attempt to shut-down 'big pharma'.

False Flag operations very often address multiple agenda. In this case I see an attempt by the global elite to confiscate guns. This case has no connection what-so-ever to semi-automatic assult rifles. Could there also be a message being sent to Dr. Laibow at the same time?

These are questions that need to be investigated by the authorities.

I am not attempting to undermine any on-going investigation by any authority having jurisdiction in this case. I am simply pointing-out observations that I have made relating to this mater. I am calling for transparency by those authorities in this case, because the ramifications of the final conclusions of this investigation will have a dynamic impact on the freedoms of every American Citizen.

Update
Please take note:
Dr. Laibow's website, http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/, is currently 'down'.

[sigma6]

Here is something else for you all to mull over that I just found via a friends Fb page who has been looking into this stuff... let me knwo what you all thing. I will attach a pic and also a you tube video relating to some of the actors in question.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/60053_437202716335036_306101377_n.jpg

http://youtu.be/AfScPPysADQ

I don't knwo how long either of these will be available for, and if they have been debunked I apologise. I just though I would open it up to more investigation.

Thank You
PVM

Holy sh i t, I may have been wrong after all, this really looks suspicious, those pictures

This looks real! I know this guy is notorious for weird comparisons, it does look legit? and he is not just comparing one face to another, but one entire family to another! one was hard to see (grandmother) but everything else looked pretty much spot on...

It's weird to see so many comparisons (especially cause you know it's this guy) but is anyone confirming this? like he says it does look "way too expensive"

And that Nick Phelps guy does ever seem to look and act incredibly phony (to me)
and the wife does have pretty sharp features, it's a clear picture


Christina Taylor Green and the whole crew Exposed! PT1-2

AfScPPysADQ



Christina Taylor Green and the whole crew Exposed! PT2-2

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[sigma6]

Something more to grind here, from http://www.henrymakow.com/whos-really-to-blame-for-school-shooting.html

Seems far fetched at first sight, but I found the attitude of the (laughfing) father troubling, very much as he was acting.
A typical American way of behaving in public? I don't know. No way I could imagine myself showing up such a fake / nervous / polite / hypocritical / facade (pick the one you like) smile on my face in such a situation.

I am not happy at all, in this X-mas eve, finding myself having to speculate on such a sad hypothesis.

Is this "Deceased" Emilie Parker With Obama?

December 21, 2012

http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/628x471.jpg
This girl is wearing the same outfit Emilie wore in a family picture seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk1FFKP-nqU
Here it is:

http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/fampicture.png
Illuminati hiding in plain sight? Is this the same girl wearing the same dress? Or is it her sister (between parents) already wearing the dress of the deceased? Obama and the children seem pretty cheerful considering Emilie was supposedly brutally murdered days before,


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http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/ep.jpeg. .http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/ep1.jpeg
Emilie Parker



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http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/parker.jpeg
Grieving father Robbie Parker

Maybe the reason the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCqOMdcutWQ moments before this image was taken is because his daughter did not die.

Hmmm... looks like someone took your pictures down, I would suggest to people to start posting a separate text header above/below pictures especially for Youtube, so that we can go back to Youtube and search for another duplicate version if necessary...

update: if you see photos, and have a third party storage/hosting site, see if you can copy and store files at a different location, then link to them, and add the original link for reference, but this is kind of damning in itself isnt' it...

[ThePythonicCow]

i would have to relisten to the video Observer, but I do not think the alleged school killer had been her patient. She rather say she had hundreds of patients like him. She uses the "I am Adam's doctor" as the other writing that was saying "I am Adam's mother". She never says that he had direclty been her patient. But I must admit it was confusing somwhat.

However, that she was the companion of Albert N. Stubblebine, this is significant.



That's what I thought when I first started listening to the video, Flash, but that metaphor doesn't hold-up when you get to the part where Dr. Laibow says she, "has held Adam Lanzo's mother in my arms". Especially after revealing that the clinic where she (Dr. Laibow) used to work was only a few miles away from the town in Connecticut where this all happened.

No..... I think Dr. Laibow is not speaking 'metaphorically'. I believe she is telling us that she was Adam Lanzo's doctor.

Move the timer over to 7:30 and listen to what Dr. Laibow says from that point.

I'm figuring that Flash is right on this one. Here, from the original text (not a transcript, but rather the prepared text that Dr. Laibow apparently posted and used as the basis for her Youtube video), are the words from just before 7:30 that you refer to, taken from my post on the Horus-Ra thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=604490&viewfull=1#post604490):



I learned how to use nutrition, diet and detoxification, for which I studied Environmental Medicine. That works.

What does not work is drugging the brain with toxins which create the very symptoms for which the drugs are given in the first place.

I have met and held “Adam Lanza’s” mother in my arms as she wept in fear and exhausted despair. And I have held her in my arms as she wept for the joy of having her child clear eyed and of sound mind not in moments of quick hope, but continually and consistently.

I have held “Adam Lanza’s” mother’s hand in court as we pressured his school to give him the education he needed, not the one that they made money on from destructive State subsidies for the correct diagnosis and another drugged kid.

I have sat with “Adam’s” brothers and sisters helping them to undo the trauma that Adam-on-drugs has brought to their lives.

“Adam Lanza” and I have spent hours together as he climbed out of the pit of his own psychosis, without drugs, confinement or violence, but not necessarily smoothly, either.

And I have attended the funeral of more than 1 “Adam Lanza” whose family pressured his mom, or whose divorced parent pressured the custodial parent through the Court, to put “Adam” on drugs – and then did not even have the good grace or decency to accept responsibility for his death.

This is a generic "Adam Lanza" to whom she refers (the quote marks are hers, but don't show on Youtube), to whom she has related in a variety of ways, not possible with just one actual patient. She could not have actually attended the funeral of more than one actual Adam Lanza as we know of him, for there was only one such.

[ThePythonicCow]

The part I find most disturbing is the connection Dr. Laibow shares with her companion of many years, Retired Major General Albert N. (Bert) Stubblebine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine). General Stubblebine is the individual, around whom, the movie "Men Who Stare At Goats" was written. General Stubblebine was the individual in charge of the Army's 'Remote Viewing' operation.

I don't find this connection simply coincidental to the "rest of the story".

Dr. Laibow has been tirelessly campaigning against the pharmaceutical industry for many years. Is it simply a coincidence that one of her former patients is now involved in this horrific crime against humanity? I'm not suggesting that General Stubblebine may somehow be involved in the crime, I'm simply wondering why there is this millitary black-ops connection at all to this story.
Thank-you!

I knew I had seen Dr. Rima E. Laibow before ... it was in association with General Stubblebine ... thanks for connecting that.

Very interesting.

[ThePythonicCow]

I'm figuring that Flash is right on this one. Here, from the original text (not a transcript, but rather the prepared text that Dr. Laibow apparently posted and used as the basis for her Youtube video), are the words from just before 7:30 that you refer to, taken from my post on the Horus-Ra thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=604490&viewfull=1#post604490)
I also noted in that post on the Horus-Ra thread that Dr. Laibow's office is in Panama (far from Connecticut).

(Dang -- I just now realized that the Youtube video I linked last night, of Dr Laibow speaking from her office in Panama, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9cR_j0PP1U, is no longer available - Youtube account closed.)

Here is a post from Dec 13, 2008 stating that Stubblebine and Laibow live in Panama, so she's been there for a while now. From http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3387:




#1)
General Stubblebine and his wife Dr. Rima E. Laibow... what's the deal?

Postby MikeWB » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:59 pm
So what's the deal with these two? Why is AJ pushing them so hard?

1) Gen Stubblebine believes in a lot of crazy ****:
a) Remote viewing (LOL)
b) Psychics & Uri Geller's Spoon bending (LMAO)
c) Infamous for trying to walk through a wall!
d) Created and commanded a psychic warrior force (LMAO... I'm not making this **** up!)
2) General was commanding general of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984 (if that doesn't raise flags, not sure what would)
3) Married to Dr. Rima E. Laibow. She's a graduate of Yeshiva University's Einstein School of medicine. She's clearly Jewish considering her name + alma mater.
4) They live in Panama and don't want to set foot in USA.
5) They're promoting Natural Healing and Natural Foods and are begging for money on AJ show.

So wtf is going on?! Another AJ deception???

[ThePythonicCow]

I knew I had seen Dr. Rima E. Laibow before ... it was in association with General Stubblebine ... thanks for connecting that.

Here's a thread on some forum, December 2008, in which A. True Ott is attacking Laibow and Stubblebine: http://educate-yourself.org/lte/actionabledisinformation23dec08.shtml. Given what I think of A. True Ott, this is a plus for Laibow and Stubblebine.

[observer]

To Paul,

In response to all your most recent comments #'s 221, thru 224 .

After listening to Dr. Labow's video several times, it is not clear if she is making an admission to being Adam Lanza's former doctor, or not. I've been aware that both she and Bert Stubblebine are, and have been, resident in Panama for quite a period of time.

The point I need to clarify is:


If Dr. Labow was Adam Lanza's former doctor,
And if, these Mass Killings are connected to a False Flag Agenda to disarm American Citizens,
Than discrediting both Bert Stubblebine, and Dr. Labow by turning a former patient of Dr. Labows into a Manchurian Candidate (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=manchurian%20candidate), and using this individual in yet another heinous crime against humanity would make perfect sense from the point-of-view of any alleged Global Elite Agenda.


In light of the fact the Natural Solutions Website is down, I would suspect something of just this scenario is possible.

[Akasha]

Just checked www.healthfreedomusa.org and it is currently up and running.

Sorry for the lo-res. The screen shot I tried to upload is 500 kb but it keeps getting compressed into a thumbnail......................Paul, perhaps you can help.

[observer]

Just checked www.healthfreedomusa.org and it is currently up and running.

Try going to the website and clicking-on any linked page on that homepage you found, Akasha.

The only link that seems to work is the one to the web store. All the other links bring you to a '404 Not Found' solution.

Something really strange is going-on at the Natural Solutions website.

[Akasha]

Point taken. Everything's down except the online store.

[CdnSirian]

Point taken. Everything's down except the online store.

I can see most of the pages. The publications are available, but one page titled "Articles" does not show.

The youtube video is still there as well.

[observer]

It's not clear on what website you are reporting, CdnSirian.

www.healthfreedomusa.org is still not responding for the members I have checked with.

[sigma6]

just checked

http://picasaweb.google.com/101008399599727071392

nothing, gone, all gone...

I think that guy was definitely on to something... if his video disappears then we have lost the clearest, in your face, impossible to deny information, the family members all look similar posed similar, this can't be faked...

They are all isreali agents, actors... wow of wow...

[observer]

just checked

http://picasaweb.google.com/101008399599727071392

nothing, gone, all gone...

I think that guy was definitely on to something... if his video disappears then we have lost the clearest, in your face, impossible to deny information, the family members all look similar posed similar, this can't be faked...

They are all isreali agents, actors... wow of wow...

This is also the point of my comments, sigma6.

Websites are being shut-down that have connections to this event. A friend of mine tried to post the Dr. Rima Libow video on facebook and it was rejected.

You tell me what is going-on....

[sigma6]

I came across this, it's pictures of the couple, extended family... no identifying names
I think it is someone elses collection of the family members...

https://picasaweb.google.com/108353779637663365536

Called G's Gallery... must be him... smart kid he must have copied and pasted them back up...

https://picasaweb.google.com/108353779637663365536/ALBUM002#5684134852620886194

Samantha Sexton
https://picasaweb.google.com/108353779637663365536/ALBUM002#5684135246629828258

[Akasha]

I came across this, it's pictures of the couple, extended family... no identifying names
I think it is someone elses collection of the family members...

https://picasaweb.google.com/108353779637663365536

Called G's Gallery... must be him... smart kid he must have copied and pasted them back up...

https://picasaweb.google.com/108353779637663365536/ALBUM002#5684134852620886194

Samantha Sexton
https://picasaweb.google.com/108353779637663365536/ALBUM002#5684135246629828258

This is the one that did it for me:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-EnS_cITf7eA/TuIaiFnioLI/AAAAAAAAAm0/UCjeyoBX7BE/s912/Greenberg%2520Family%25200000604.jpg

The trillion dollar question for me is can we conclude from the above that the whole shooting incident was bull$+!^ or just that CNN uses low grade actors when everyone is too upset to talk to them?

[modwiz]

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/23/279638/america-police-state-in-motion/


The most likely scenario, given what we have learned through knowledgeable sources, is that Adam Lanza and his mother were, in fact, murdered the day before. Adam’s body picked up by local police, attired in a SWAT outfit, including body armor, and stored in the school to be “discovered” as the “lone gunman.”

The next morning, seen by Russian satellite, a three-man team entered the school, one was arrested in the school--cuffed and put on the lawn -- two went out the back door, one of whom was arrested during a filmed chase. The third appears to have escaped.

Those arrested are currently not in police custody; their names were never released. That is a telling sign that we are being sold a story based on fiction, not on fact. What else are the local police concealing?

Dr. Fetzer’s assessment agrees with others. Twenty small children were mercilessly butchered by a terror “wet-work team” in Connecticut.

Anyone who is still peddling the “party line” on this obvious act of terrorism, this obvious conspiracy, is either woefully ignorant or fully complicit.

Dr Jim Fetzer is still officially a member of Avalon, although with only 5 posts here he is still a provisional member.

People with far more resources than any of us here are telling a story that certain members refuse to hear. Take this same information to the general population and the "problem" is multiplied. The real problem is that the actual story is horrific in the extreme and in its' implications. This causes shutdowns and emotional blockages. The same mechanisms that block severe trauma are operative here.

I wonder what is in store for xmas or new years? Perhaps the fact that this story is having a little bit of an uphill battle will buy us some breathing room.

[sigma6]

I think some of these people are plants

[CdnSirian]

It's not clear on what website you are reporting, CdnSirian.

www.healthfreedomusa.org is still not responding for the members I have checked with.

But this link goes to another site, not healthfreedomusa.org. Why? Don't know!

[Hervé]

[...]


(Dang -- I just now realized that the Youtube video I linked last night, of Dr Laibow speaking from her office in Panama, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9cR_j0PP1U, is no longer available - Youtube account closed.)



I think the main reason for taking down that video is due to the "multiple yield" accompanying a false flag event.

One of these yield, beside the obvious gun control, is this one as reported by VeteransToday (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/23/mossad-death-squads-slaughtered-american-children-at-sandy-hook/):



Other sources have contested that this should be regarded as having a “mental health” aspect (http://ideas.time.com/2012/12/21/sandy-hook-shooting-the-speculation-must-stop/?iid=op-main-lead) at all:

We’ve been told (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/adam-lanza-20-deeply-disturbed-kid-article-1.1220752), by a former classmate, that he was “weird.” We’ve been told (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/exclusive-mind-newtown-killer-article-1.1223612), by a family friend, that he played a lot of violent video games. And we’ve also been told (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/nyregion/adam-lanza-an-enigma-who-is-now-identified-as-a-mass-killer.html?_r=0) by such sources that he had a “developmental disorder,” that some say was Asperger’s Syndrome.

From this, a narrative has emerged of a troubled young man, induced into violence by his preferred choice of media, and failed by an inadequate mental health system.

This narrative has caught on so successfully that, as of Wednesday, a Gallup poll found (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/273815-poll-americans-see-police-mental-health-care-more-effective-than-assault-weapons-ban) far more Americans believing that events like the Newtown tragedy could be avoided through increased federal spending on mental health screening and services than by banning the sale of assault weapons.


People disagreeing with the 9-11 official party line get sent directly to the mental ward for "assessment." I read of such happening in the States and in Australia...

Very reminiscent of the "Siberia Bill" but, now, thanks to these fabricated crazy "lone gunmen", people have been squared in the frame of mind to accepting it...

[ThePythonicCow]

I think the main reason for taking down that video is due to the "multiple yield" accompanying a false flag event.
This narrative has caught on so successfully that, as of Wednesday, a Gallup poll found (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/273815-poll-americans-see-police-mental-health-care-more-effective-than-assault-weapons-ban) far more Americans believing that events like the Newtown tragedy could be avoided through increased federal spending on mental health screening and services than by banning the sale of assault weapons.Very reminiscent of the "Siberia Bill" but, now, thanks to these fabricated crazy "lone gunmen", people have been squared in the frame of mind to accepting it...
Damn .

[ThePythonicCow]

Just checked www.healthfreedomusa.org and it is currently up and running.

Sorry for the lo-res. The screen shot I tried to upload is 500 kb but it keeps getting compressed into a thumbnail......................Paul, perhaps you can help.

There is nothing I can do from this end. Sorry.

The image uploading software for our server squeezed the image down to about 25 Kbytes, rendering it mostly unreadable. The only full sized, readable image is somewhere on your local PC.

Typically one has to upload such images to other sites, and then link that image into your post here. I here tell that dropbox.com is the current most recommended site for uploading images. The free account should have more than enough space for your screen shot. Then copy the link that dropbox provides into a post here.

[ThePythonicCow]

I can see most of the pages. The publications are available, but one page titled "Articles" does not show.


But this link goes to another site, not healthfreedomusa.org. Why? Don't know!
What site was it where you can see most of the pages?

[ThePythonicCow]

After listening to Dr. Labow's video several times, it is not clear if she is making an admission to being Adam Lanza's former doctor, or not.
The audio is less clear to me on this as well, partly due to the quotation marks around Adam's name that show in print not appearing in the audio.

In light of the fact the Natural Solutions Website is down, I would suspect something of just this scenario is possible.
Yes, such scenarios are definitely possible, in the general case. From what I've posted above, I'm guessing it's not the particular scenario you outline, but some other, probably more devious, convoluted and evil :).

But I don't know.

[ThePythonicCow]

Just checked www.healthfreedomusa.org and it is currently up and running.

Try going to the website and clicking-on any linked page on that homepage you found, Akasha.

The only link that seems to work is the one to the web store. All the other links bring you to a '404 Not Found' solution.

That's not what I'm seeing.

What I'm seeing when I attempt to go to www.healthfreedomusa.org, after a lengthy delay, is server not responding.

For me, for each of the nameservers I use (OpenDNS, Google, Level 3, Charter, DNSadvantage and Comcast) that URL goes to IP address 182.18.222.50, and there appears to be no powered up server responding to pings or to any of the first 1000 ports at that IP address. No web page, no links to click on to get 404's.

If anyone else on this discussion can check the IP address they have for this URL and sees it going to a different IP address, that would be quite interesting.

[Hervé]

Dr. Rima Truth Reports: EMERGENCY Access!


URGENT NEWS BULLETIN!! December 22, 2012: The Health Freedom USA Web Sites have been Hacked! All of our URLs were cancelled and we have no access to years of data! All HFUSA pages are off line. EMERGENCY ALTERNATIVE LINKS ARE BELOW THESE BULLETINS.

Access to Dr. Rima Truth Report LIVE: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/healthfreedomportal
Access to our “Educate Decision Makers” system: tell your Representatives what you think! LINKS HERE (http://savemylifedrrima.com/dr-rima-truth-reports-emergency-access/#PushBack).

http://savemylifedrrima.com/wp-content/uploads/Hacked.LOGO_-300x240.jpg

DECEMBER 23, 2012 UPDATE: Holiday Hack Attack Continues!
Our YouTube Channel has been “cancelled.” www.YouTube.com/NaturalSolutions (http://www.YouTube.com/NaturalSolutions)

We have just posted this notice on our Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/groups/naturalsolutionsfoundation/

THE HOLIDAY HACK ATTACK AGAINST NATURAL SOLUTIONS FOUNDATION CONTINUES. Please “like” and “share” this urgent announcement. For as long as we can, we will post updates at: http://savemylifedrrima.com/dr-rima-truth-reports-emergency-access/
OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL – www.youtube.com/naturalsolutions (http://www.youtube.com/naturalsolutions) HAS BEEN “CANCELLED” WITHIN THE PAST COUPLE HOURS.
PLEASE HELP US FIGHT BACK! http://savemylifedrrima.com/action/donate/ (http://savemylifedrrima.com/action/donate/)
IF YOU HAVE INDEPENDENTLY POSTED ANY OF OUR VIDEOS ON OTHER LOCATIONS, WE NEED YOU TO CONTACT US VIA FACEBOOK WITH THE LINK SO WE CAN REBUILD OUR VIDEO LIBRARY!
However, this new beta site, Save My Life Dr. Rima is still functioning and this page is a temporary access page for the Dr. Rima Truth Reports, our weekly Internet Radio Program, Sunday 10 AM through noon, EST.

Below is a LINK (http://savemylifedrrima.com/dr-rima-truth-reports-emergency-access/#DrRimaVideo) to the video that got the government so upset that “someone” took down our Health Freedom USA sites! Please help make that video go “viral” by sharing the link.

Here is the link to our UStream.TV web site where the program is broadcast.

http://www.ustream.tv/user/healthfreedomportal

Here is the link to our online Chat, which we monitor during the program:

http://www.healthfreedomportal.chatango.com/


A Message from Dr. Rima

Hacked, Attacked, Off Line But Still Kicking
Video Goes Viral, “Someone” Attacks US


http://savemylifedrrima.com/wp-content/uploads/DrRima.steth_.jpg

As I write this, www.HealthFreedomUSA.org (http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/) and all related sites are not operating. However, our new site, which is largely, but not completely, functional and apparently unknown to the hackers (your tax dollars at work!) is still available.

********************************************************

You can reach us at www.SaveMyLifeDrRima.com (http://www.SaveMyLifeDrRima.com).

********************************************************

You want to listen to the Dr Rima Truth Reports Sunday, December 23, 2012, of course. But to do that you will have to use this link — http://www.ustream.tv/user/healthfreedomportal

We must be doing something very, very right! All of our sites were cancelled at GoDaddy by SOMEONE WITH ACCESS. Your tax dollars at work.

Could it be connected to the fact that my video and article, I am Adam Lanza’s Doctor, are going viral?

We were able to get www.SaveMyLifeDrRima.com (http://www.savemylifedrrima.com/), our new, and partly functional, site working. You can go here, http://savemylifedrrima.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-doctor/, to read the article and watch the video. This hard hitting article strikes at the massive abuse called “Psychiatric Medication”, one of the 5 Big Lies you can learn about on our new site, SaveMyLifeDrRima.com.

Apparently this article and video are hitting the nail on the head strongly enough for someone to want us off line!

Our Dr. Rima Truth Reports show will be on air Sunday, December 23, 2012, with a VERY important guest* at 10 AM to 12 noon Eastern at the above link.

And take a moment to support the truth that SOMEONE does not want out there! Visit http://savemylifedrrima.com/action/donate/ to make a donation to keep the Natural Solutions Foundation on line and irritating the best people on the planet to irritate, simply by telling the truth.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

* Special Guest: Chris Camera, Former Law Enforcement Officer, USAF, Chris Camera’s ancestors have been in America since the 1600′s and helped found Stamford, Ct. Social Entrepreneur in Organic Farming, Health Supplements and Foods. Overcoming MCS with the help of natural health and 10 years of self-study, when the medical doctors either did not know, or in the VA’s case tried to deny MCS to save money and avoid culpability.International networker with people well-known in the field, along with large-scale national direct selling programs. Patriot and defender of liberty, free markets, and the U.S. Constitution. [Archived at our UStream.tv site: http://www.ustream.tv/user/healthfreedomportal.]


PS: IE9 couldn't connect to the site posted by Paul above, but FireFox did :)

PPS: the video is not available "... because the uploader has closed their YouTube account."

[Huma]

I am actually from Connecticut, and have lived here all my life. While I am as open to speculation about the details of what happened here, as I would any other event of note, I also am keenly aware not to project and look for shadowy figures and grand conspiracies with every wrong doing and tragedy. I can assure you there are a multitude of grieving parents who's real children really died, as is apparent with the endless *local* and not national press coverage. Plus being the tiny state that it is, it isn't hard to go there and see for yourself...

likely because some jerk off needed to take his issues out on a bunch of first graders. There are time when tragedies and crimes are simply that. I will be the first to admit that we are rarely if ever told the full story on just about anything through the media or our educational system, but from what I can tell, this one seems fairly straight forward.....so far anyway. Things could always change...

[ThePythonicCow]

PS: IE9 couldn't connect to the site posted by Paul above, but FireFox did :)
Thanks for the detailed update, Amzer Zo.

I'm guessing by "the site posted by Paul" you mean http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/, and I am further guessing that if it loaded in Firefox for you, that's because you had managed to load the site earlier using Firefox, and it was still in your browser cache.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


PPS: the video is not available "... because the uploader has closed their YouTube account."

er - eh - which video is not available :)

[TargeT]

PS: IE9 couldn't connect to the site posted by Paul above, but FireFox did :)
Thanks for the detailed update, Amzer Zo.

I'm guessing by "the site posted by Paul" you mean http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/, and I am further guessing that if it loaded in Firefox for you, that's because you had managed to load the site earlier using Firefox, and it was still in your browser cache.

I concur, cached site..

I tried my 4 different browsers (just for edification, different browsers really don't handle port 80 traffic appreciably differently) down on all accounts, dnslookup works still so the site is freshly dead.

very interesting twist here.

[ThePythonicCow]

To Paul,

In response to all your most recent comments #'s 221, thru 224 .

After listening to Dr. Labow's video several times, it is not clear if she is making an admission to being Adam Lanza's former doctor, or not.
From Rima E. Laibow's own site, in her own words, at the bottom of the page http://savemylifedrrima.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-doctor/:



Note: This video and essay were written in direct response to the brave woman who authored “I am Adam Lanza’s Mother” about her experience with a similar child. Just as she is not literally Adam Lanza’s mother, so I am not claiming to be the physician who treated Adam Lanza. Readers are invited to understand that as a Child, Adolescent and Adult Psychiatrist I have treated many patients like Adam Lanza but never met him before his tragic death.

[Hervé]

[...]
Thanks for the detailed update, Amzer Zo.

I'm guessing by "the site posted by Paul" you mean http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/, and I am further guessing that if it loaded in Firefox for you, that's because you had managed to load the site earlier using Firefox, and it was still in your browser cache.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


PPS: the video is not available "... because the uploader has closed their YouTube account."

er - eh - which video is not available :)

Welcome :)

Actually, I do not remember accessing http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/ (which is indeed the link I was referring to) with either IE9 nor FireFox prior to my above post, hence it wasn't cached in my computer.

The video in question is the one that was on their YouTube channel. I haven't tried their http://savemylifedrrima.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-doctor/ where the video is available... for how long? Who knows... so: download it ASAP!

[ThePythonicCow]

I tried my 4 different browsers (just for edification, different browsers really don't handle port 80 traffic appreciably differently) down on all accounts, dnslookup works still so the site is freshly dead.
But ... what did dnslookup tell you :)?

Did you get the same IP address of 182.18.222.50 that all the name servers I use returned?

(An IP address that dazzlepod.com/ip says is in San Juan, Batangas, Philippines -- weird.)