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Tony
19th December 2012, 08:04
Meditation is familiarisation.

One can spend years watching the breath and doing complicated things to one's body,
but meditation is purely becoming familiar with the awareness of awareness,
therefore just being, just essence.

Merely rest loosely in pure awareness. Do not try to sustain it or modify it,
as then you are doing something, merely be aware of space-like emptiness, pure and simple.

So that we do not get too involved or uptight, it is said, short moments many times.

So how do we do this?
We don't!

Pure awareness is naturally there, we just have to recognise it....and let it be.

Repeating this will gradually change one's view.


In ordinary life we do not learn much, we just go through a repeated pattern.
Meditation changes everything!





All the best,
Tony

Tony
19th December 2012, 08:44
For some reason we cannot accept a simple answer. Why?

This will sound a little harsh, but is not meant to be.

We are attracted to complexity because then, we do not have to do anything about it.
If we make things complicated, we can “look at this!”...”and that?”...
”and how about those over there?” This will never refine our vision,
it will only make us more involved with the psychology of the mind and the world we live in.
We make the complexity seem real, it gives us a 'reason' to be.

Speculating only serves to distract us from our real knowing.
We are distracted day in and day out.

So making things complicated and being busy, could be a form of laziness.

Being original is going back to the origin.






Tony

Tarka the Duck
19th December 2012, 09:27
I agree that we can use complexity as an excuse for not committing to a course of action.


For some reason we cannot accept a simple answer.

The extreme of that is that we only accept an oversimplified answer, such as "You are already enlightened and therefore have to do nothing!"

That's why The Middle Way is - beyond extremes - is, for me, the most beneficial.

Kathie

Tony
19th December 2012, 09:36
Well young duck, that seems to have complicated the issue... nicely, and, I agree with you!

There is doing nothing, and there is doing nothing.
One is, it's all going to happen for 'me', which indicates a huge "I" obstacle involved.
The other is recognition, that there is nothing to do, but be aware of awareness.



Yours,
Young pie,

Omi
19th December 2012, 11:32
Whether the meditation be held in a scale of a big group, small gathering, or within solitude, it can raise the awareness of oneself which is so essential for us especially at this time.

Some information on upcoming global meditation events:
http://global-meditation-2012.com/

http://www.unify.org/

The beauty of meditation is, there are many ways of doing it, and each individual has what works for them best.
One can have benefits on the physiological, psychological, and spiritual aspects.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zXTYJGIHYAA#!

Peaceful meditating to all :)


“Meditation is the dissolution of thoughts in Eternal awareness or Pure consciousness without objectification, knowing without thinking, merging finitude in infinity.”
-Swami Sivananda

"The flowering of love is meditation."
Jiddu Krishnamurti

allthisisthat
19th December 2012, 12:23
I would like to point out here that more than 600 research studies (http://www.tm.org/popups/studies.html)have been published on the Transcendental Meditation program in more than 160 scientific journals in 33 countries.

Not all meditation techniques can provide the same benefits. TM is taught one on one with a qualified TM teacher it can't be taught from a book or CD.

For more information visit - http://www.TM.org


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Peace!

Tony
19th December 2012, 12:52
It sounds strange to say, “Be natural,” because that suggests
that we have moved away from being natural.
At any moment we can return,
it is just a matter recognising and simply resting there.

Though it is natural just to 'be', this moving away also
suggests we are now unnatural. It seems we just have
enough awareness to function, a bit like a run down battery – not very bright!

We have been “Not very bright” for a very long time.
This 'is' the desire realm after all, so it's bound to be exhausting!

This human desire realm is very sticky, we cling to everything,
and do not totally enjoy anything. It is empty of any true satisfaction.
This stickiness is frustration, so we search for more, and so we become addicted
– this is a porn realm... Meditation included!

There is no reason not to enjoy life, we just have to loose the stickiness.
When we eat, we just eat.
When we walk, we just walk.
When we love we just love.

...and let go!

The problem is clinging to everything and everyone.
The trick is, not clinging to everything and everyone.

It is precisely because we have 'been at it' for so long,
that the truth has to be repeated again and again,
until we realise the truth. Just to repeat, the truth is,
'being' aware of awareness, in which pure emptiness is realised.

After that, you can called it whatever you like!

Unfortunately having realised this, is not enough.
We also have to realise there is still some mess
we created in the past, that has to be cleaned up.








Tony

Tarka the Duck
19th December 2012, 13:23
I would like to point out here that more than 600 research studies (http://www.tm.org/popups/studies.html)have been published on the Transcendental Meditation program in more than 160 scientific journals in 33 countries.

Not all meditation techniques can provide the same benefits. TM is taught one on one with a qualified TM teacher it can't be taught from a book or CD.

Peace!

Hello allthisisthat, and welcome to Avalon!

I'm glad you find TM to be helpful. May I just raise a coupe of points with you?

I thought TM was based in the repetition of a mantra. Could you explain to me how that is effortless?

There are many forms of meditation that do involve, as the guy in the video says, "control", "concentration" and "manipulation" of the mind, for those who find that that approach is beneficial. These are all tools for us to employ in order to tame the mind.

There are also many forms of meditation that do not use such tools: in Tibetan Buddhism, Dzogpa Chenpo and Maha Ati are two such traditions, and in Zen, there is 'effortless effort'. I'm sure that, within the Hindu tradition, there is also the method of effortless meditation.

Therefore, I find the claim that it is effortlessness that distinguishes TM from other forms of meditation is misleading.

Kathie

RMorgan
19th December 2012, 14:28
Tony,

I´ve never read a better definition of what is meditation!

Familiarization! Of course! That describes it perfectly, in my opinion!

Thanks my friend, really!

Raf.

OOO
19th December 2012, 15:18
familiarisation
Web definitions
familiarization: the experience of becoming familiar with something.

Question:

What are we trying to be familiar with? Ourselves? Emptiness? Awareness?

That dang clinginess keeps poping up everywhere. Its our incessant need to feel safe and secure.

I had this exact conversation with a person last night (love the synchronicity).

I, too, came to the conclusion that we complicate because we are lazy and afraid!!!

Thank you Pie 'n' eal

Tony
19th December 2012, 18:24
familiarisation
Web definitions
familiarization: the experience of becoming familiar with something.

Question:

What are we trying to be familiar with? Ourselves? Emptiness? Awareness?

That dang clinginess keeps poping up everywhere. Its our incessant need to feel safe and secure.

I had this exact conversation with a person last night (love the synchronicity).

I, too, came to the conclusion that we complicate because we are lazy and afraid!!!

Thank you Pie 'n' eal


Evening OOO,
I'm sure you know the answer to those questions, but for the benefits of others, we are becoming familiar
with our own awareness which is empty/pure.

Most of the time we are all too familiar with our thoughts and bodily needs, but we tend to forget
pure awareness -that is what we are!


It is like getting involved with these words are not noticing the clear screen, which
allow everything to take place. Just like our clarity of essence.




It's good to be familiar,
Tony

OOO
19th December 2012, 18:32
familiarisation
Web definitions
familiarization: the experience of becoming familiar with something.

Question:

What are we trying to be familiar with? Ourselves? Emptiness? Awareness?

That dang clinginess keeps poping up everywhere. Its our incessant need to feel safe and secure.

I had this exact conversation with a person last night (love the synchronicity).

I, too, came to the conclusion that we complicate because we are lazy and afraid!!!

Thank you Pie 'n' eal


Evening OOO,
I'm sure you know the answer to those questions, but for the benefits of others, we are becoming familiar
with our own awareness which is empty/pure.

Most of the time we are all too familiar with our thoughts and bodily needs, but we tend to forget
pure awareness -that is what we are!


It is like getting involved with these words are not noticing the clear screen, which
allow everything to take place. Just like our clarity of essence.




It's good to be familiar,
Tony

I like that pure.

Its one of my favourite words.

Glad to be in obvious sync with someone,

In pure gratitude,
Aleksandra

Dorjezigzag
19th December 2012, 19:10
awareness which is empty/pure.

Many things get lost in translation, that is why it always good to try and have an understanding of the source they originally come from such as Sanskrit, that is why I have found some of snowyowls recent posts regarding origin of words interesting.

Word for today sattva.

I would welcome other peoples takes on this but I think it would be more accurate to say empty/purified.

To be more specific Purified of attachments.

But is the result after purification pure?

You can purify water but after this process it is still a blend of two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen, plus other minerals, it is not purely one element. Some people like Evian, others like perrier.

If something is pure you are giving it a form, and there are so many associations with the word pure in our western culture a lot that come from the culture of demonizing the body, that I think to define emptiness as pure could be misleading.

I guess the term emptiness could be misleading as well because that implies nothingness which it is not.

So I would suggest while it is purified of attachment but that does not mean it is pure because it is empty. ;)

I think this relates to the previous thread about a higher self, I think you could say the same about a pure self.

But I would concede that it does help some people to think of the pure self.

But ultimately it is beyond words anyway, so any attempt to encapsulate it in words will fall short

Tony
19th December 2012, 19:39
awareness which is empty/pure.

Many things get lost in translation, that is why it always good to try and have an understanding of the source they originally come from such as Sanskrit, that is why I have found some of snowyowls recent posts regarding origin of words interesting.

Word for today sattva.

I would welcome other peoples takes on this but I think it would be more accurate to say empty/purified.

To be more specific Purified of attachments.

But is the result after purification pure?

You can purify water but after this process it is still a blend of two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen, plus other minerals, it is not purely one element. Some people like Evian, others like perrier.

If something is pure you are giving it a form, and there are so many associations with the word pure in our western culture a lot that come from the culture of demonizing the body, that I think to define emptiness as pure could be misleading.

I guess the term emptiness could be misleading as well because that implies nothingness which it is not.

So I would suggest while it is purified of attachment but that does not mean it is pure because it is empty. ;)

I think this relates to the previous thread about a higher self, I think you could say the same about a pure self.

But I would concede that it does help some people to think of the pure self.

But ultimately it is beyond words anyway, so any attempt to encapsulate it in words will fall short




I suppose it comes down to a personal understanding. Different translators translate differently, but this is only academic.
I get an abstract feeling of what is experienced, and try to find a word that suits, to communicate it to others.

I did have a 'discuss' with a Tibetan translator about the word compassion. I saw it at that time as empathy. He said, "No no it's compassion!"
My feeling was still empathy first then compassion. Translators can be a little dogmatic.

There comes a time when we have to go with our own intuition...so far so good!

Dorjezigzag
19th December 2012, 19:55
awareness which is empty/pure.

Many things get lost in translation, that is why it always good to try and have an understanding of the source they originally come from such as Sanskrit, that is why I have found some of snowyowls recent posts regarding origin of words interesting.

Word for today sattva.

I would welcome other peoples takes on this but I think it would be more accurate to say empty/purified.

To be more specific Purified of attachments.

But is the result after purification pure?

You can purify water but after this process it is still a blend of two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen, plus other minerals, it is not purely one element. Some people like Evian, others like perrier.

If something is pure you are giving it a form, and there are so many associations with the word pure in our western culture a lot that come from the culture of demonizing the body, that I think to define emptiness as pure could be misleading.

I guess the term emptiness could be misleading as well because that implies nothingness which it is not.

So I would suggest while it is purified of attachment but that does not mean it is pure because it is empty. ;)

I think this relates to the previous thread about a higher self, I think you could say the same about a pure self.

But I would concede that it does help some people to think of the pure self.

But ultimately it is beyond words anyway, so any attempt to encapsulate it in words will fall short




I suppose it comes down to a personal understanding. Different translators translate differently, but this is only academic.
I get an abstract feeling of what is experienced, and try to find a word that suits, to communicate it to others.

I did have a 'discuss' with a Tibetan translator about the word compassion. I saw it at that time as empathy. He said, "No no it's compassion!"
My feeling was still empathy first then compassion. Translators can be a little dogmatic.

There comes a time when we have to go with our own intuition...so far so good!

Not good its great

That is what i am doing now following my own intuition, i have never heard anyone else saying what I am saying ( although I am sure they have) I just wanted to communicate my relationship with language. I think pure is one of those trigger words for me. Which suggests it is worth exploring

I was not critizising you because pure was only one word amongst a sea of words that you wrote and through that I could understand your intent. At least you put pure/ empty state but often there is this constant reference to the aspiration to being pure, achieve purity and you see these so called gurus with there purist of faces looking back at you and I just think to myself are you for real.

I like my teachers with a twinkle in their eye!;)

Tony
19th December 2012, 20:48
awareness which is empty/pure.

Many things get lost in translation, that is why it always good to try and have an understanding of the source they originally come from such as Sanskrit, that is why I have found some of snowyowls recent posts regarding origin of words interesting.

Word for today sattva.

I would welcome other peoples takes on this but I think it would be more accurate to say empty/purified.

To be more specific Purified of attachments.

But is the result after purification pure?

You can purify water but after this process it is still a blend of two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen, plus other minerals, it is not purely one element. Some people like Evian, others like perrier.

If something is pure you are giving it a form, and there are so many associations with the word pure in our western culture a lot that come from the culture of demonizing the body, that I think to define emptiness as pure could be misleading.

I guess the term emptiness could be misleading as well because that implies nothingness which it is not.

So I would suggest while it is purified of attachment but that does not mean it is pure because it is empty. ;)

I think this relates to the previous thread about a higher self, I think you could say the same about a pure self.

But I would concede that it does help some people to think of the pure self.

But ultimately it is beyond words anyway, so any attempt to encapsulate it in words will fall short




I suppose it comes down to a personal understanding. Different translators translate differently, but this is only academic.
I get an abstract feeling of what is experienced, and try to find a word that suits, to communicate it to others.

I did have a 'discuss' with a Tibetan translator about the word compassion. I saw it at that time as empathy. He said, "No no it's compassion!"
My feeling was still empathy first then compassion. Translators can be a little dogmatic.

There comes a time when we have to go with our own intuition...so far so good!

Not good its great

That is what i am doing now following my own intuition, i have never heard anyone else saying what I am saying ( although I am sure they have) I just wanted to communicate my relationship with language. I think pure is one of those trigger words for me. Which suggests it is worth exploring

I was not critizising you because pure was only one word amongst a sea of words that you wrote and through that I could understand your intent. At least you put pure/ empty state but often there is this constant reference to the aspiration to being pure, achieve purity and you see these so called gurus with there purist of faces looking back at you and I just think to myself are you for real.

I like my teachers with a twinkle in their eye!;)





Ok, ok.....what about ......?...!....?

OOO
19th December 2012, 21:08
awareness which is empty/pure.

Many things get lost in translation, that is why it always good to try and have an understanding of the source they originally come from such as Sanskrit, that is why I have found some of snowyowls recent posts regarding origin of words interesting.

Word for today sattva.

I would welcome other peoples takes on this but I think it would be more accurate to say empty/purified.

To be more specific Purified of attachments.

But is the result after purification pure?

You can purify water but after this process it is still a blend of two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen, plus other minerals, it is not purely one element. Some people like Evian, others like perrier.

If something is pure you are giving it a form, and there are so many associations with the word pure in our western culture a lot that come from the culture of demonizing the body, that I think to define emptiness as pure could be misleading.

I guess the term emptiness could be misleading as well because that implies nothingness which it is not.

So I would suggest while it is purified of attachment but that does not mean it is pure because it is empty. ;)

I think this relates to the previous thread about a higher self, I think you could say the same about a pure self.

But I would concede that it does help some people to think of the pure self.

But ultimately it is beyond words anyway, so any attempt to encapsulate it in words will fall short




I suppose it comes down to a personal understanding. Different translators translate differently, but this is only academic.
I get an abstract feeling of what is experienced, and try to find a word that suits, to communicate it to others.

I did have a 'discuss' with a Tibetan translator about the word compassion. I saw it at that time as empathy. He said, "No no it's compassion!"
My feeling was still empathy first then compassion. Translators can be a little dogmatic.

There comes a time when we have to go with our own intuition...so far so good!

Not good its great

That is what i am doing now following my own intuition, i have never heard anyone else saying what I am saying ( although I am sure they have) I just wanted to communicate my relationship with language. I think pure is one of those trigger words for me. Which suggests it is worth exploring

I was not critizising you because pure was only one word amongst a sea of words that you wrote and through that I could understand your intent. At least you put pure/ empty state but often there is this constant reference to the aspiration to being pure, achieve purity and you see these so called gurus with there purist of faces looking back at you and I just think to myself are you for real.

I like my teachers with a twinkle in their eye!;)

No need to achieve pure, because you are pure.

Take a peak in the mirror and you will see and you might also catch that twinkle.

Dorjezigzag
19th December 2012, 21:39
Eye twinkler examples

Eckhart Tolle there is something really down to earth and natural about him , which I think it is what you getting at with your thread but He does not strike me as pure, he is funny and reminds me of Yoda
Osho who is really mischevious and says many things that go against the usual guru grain
Dalai Lama likes a laugh and a joke very down to earth on a level, I know many criticize him but i feel there is something very authentic about him

I don't want to give examples of those that annoy me a bit with their so called purity because I might offend those that like them but some times I think they are spending so much time coming across as pure that they are no longer natural.

I can understand if you join an order then you have to wear the monk robes but some times I question the authenticity of someone who is from a western background who then acquires the costume of an eastern guru when they don't have to, they are usually the ones pulling these awkward looking pure expressions. Although saying that I have had some great teachers in past who wore the costume , but they did not take themselves seriously.

I guess there is a danger now that I go the other way in my non attachment to purity I miss something that would be of benefit just because of my potential prejudice against purity but I just want to express what I am getting at

Even the word pure is not pure it has so many interpretations, just what pure is pure. I have highlighted the ones that are the most problematic, but all of the meanings present a potential problem
pure (pyr)
adj. pur·er, pur·est
1. Having a homogeneous or uniform composition; not mixed: pure oxygen.
2. Free from adulterants or impurities: pure chocolate.
3. Free of dirt, defilement, or pollution: "A memory without blot or contamination must be . . . an inexhaustible source of pure refreshment" (Charlotte Brontë).
4. Free of foreign elements.
5. Containing nothing inappropriate or extraneous: a pure literary style.
6. Complete; utter: pure folly.
7. Having no faults; sinless: "I felt pure and sweet as a new baby" (Sylvia Plath).
8. Chaste; virgin.
9. Of unmixed blood or ancestry.
10. Genetics Produced by self-fertilization or continual inbreeding; homozygous: a pure line.
11. Music Free from discordant qualities: pure tones.
12. Linguistics Articulated with a single unchanging speech sound; monophthongal: a pure vowel.
13. Theoretical: pure science.
14. Philosophy Free of empirical elements: pure reason.

allthisisthat
19th December 2012, 23:56
Thanks for the warm welcome Kathie!

It isn't the repetition of the mantra that is the focus, the mantra is used as a "vehicle" to take the awareness of the mind within. As we take the awareness of the mind within we reach subtler and sublter levels of thought until we reach Transcendental Consciousness /Being /Unified / Pure awareness. (there are lots of names for this field). That's the key.

To tell someone that they need to clear there mind of all thoughts is kind of like telling someone they need to be happy. The actual experince of that Transcendental Conscioussnes and the wish to experience it are quite different. " The proof of the pudding is in the eating".

Studies do reveal that Transcendental Medititation is THE most benifical form of meditation.

http://old.mum.edu/tm_research/popups/chart09.html

I don't think the idea is to mislead you Kathie.

Transcendental Meditation is avalible to everyone in the world. There is a centre in every captial city in the world. There are also group studies supporting the positive effects on collective consciousness and the lowering of crime rates. It really is part of a bigger picture even though it works brilliantly on the individual level too.

This knowledge was revived by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. He brought this knowledge out from the Veda. He didnt make anything up. The Veda is actually 100% intact. (Not the Hindu interpretation.)

I hope this clears a few things up Kathie.

Peace.



1. Simple: The Transcendental Meditation technique is a simple, effortless mental process practiced for 15–20 minutes twice a day, sitting quietly and comfortably in a chair with the eyes closed.

2. Easily learned: The Transcendental Meditation technique can be easily learned by anyone and is enjoyable to practice.

3. Immediate benefits: The benefits of the Transcendental Meditation technique are immediate and increase over time. The technique’s positive effects—for mind, body and relationships—have been verified by hundreds of research studies conducted at top medical schools and published in over 350 peer-reviewed scientific journals.

4. No belief required: The Transcendental Meditation technique does not involve belief. In fact, you can be thoroughly skeptical and the technique will still be fully effective.

5. Develops the total brain: Brain research shows that the Transcendental Meditation technique develops the total brain, increasing creativity and intelligence and improving decision-making and problem-solving abilities.

6. Not a lifestyle: The Transcendental Meditation technique is not a religion or philosophy and involves no change in lifestyle.

7. Reduces stress and high blood pressure: Medical school research funded by the National Institutes of Health shows that the Transcendental Meditation technique is the most effective mind-body practice for reducing stress and stress-related disorders, including hypertension, high cholesterol, stroke and atherosclerosis.

8. Unique: The Transcendental Meditation technique is unlike any other form of meditation or self-development—in practice and results. The technique is distinguished by its naturalness, effortlessness and profound effectiveness.

9. Systematic instruction: The Transcendental Meditation technique is taught by certified teachers through a systematic course of personalized instruction and includes extensive follow-up and support, ensuring that everyone who learns gains maximum benefit.

10. Nonprofit organization: The Transcendental Meditation technique is taught through a nonprofit, tax-exempt educational organization. The organization’s goal is to develop the full potential of the individual, minimize the negative impact of stress, and bring unrestricted and fulfilling progress to all areas of society.

SnowyOwl
20th December 2012, 01:37
Well pie'n'eal your threads are indeed attractive to perch on. And BTW as you already know your an excellent Evocator.

The Hamster running within the wheel cage altough running zillions of steps is indeed like those car drivers on ice whose impatience makes their wheel spin and spin in situ, no traction.

Saying Meditation is as Familiarisation is indeed right. Look at the chicken that just laid down an egg. If she care she will gently sit on it slowly moving until she feels at the right place, in the right position (Asan)... then Patience rise, without being disturb perseverance is obvious and despite doing what must be done she'll come back over and over, Séneque express it wisely in his Constance Book, still up to date despite being over two millenium old.

As an intense stubborn seeker of Truth of Coherence of making sense of all this apparent lack of cohesion with these senses that we have inherit, I have been bless and encounter quite a few Sages.

Superficiality aka instability, for me, is like being moved by the Winds. Seeking, fo me, the Seeker on a journey is like a navigator move by the waves. Marathon Person of Deep understanding is, for me, moves but the current beneath the surface of appearances.

Being Oneself is like being Sedentary under the currents beneath the appearances, beneath the waves and the Winds.

Objectively when oneself allow itself do deep breathing down to the belly we can see the vagus nerve being activated, the amount of oxigene increase, clarity of Mind more acute, cortisol hormone down, agitation going slow mo, blood pressure down, heart beat and breathing in tandem, endomorphine secretions increase, perception of harmony more evident so on and so forth.

Deep breathing done over and over becomes a reflex after a while and irradiate all around. Dogs stop barking, rush fades, intensity becomes tempered, even when the Harsh Wind Horse comes by it is still a peacefull ride.

I have learned, experienced and convinces throught not knowledge but by witnessing that there is a time (Vela) of Bliss (Amrit) that is known as Amrit Vela in In and trough (India) and as so many other names in so many cultures. Each and one of us have personnaly and intimately perceived that particular time.

Observe and realise that three hours before sunrise, nature is indeed in the most relax state. Being still as a Witness of ubiquitous Equipoise before Sunrise is like being and drinking at the Fountain of Harmonious Origin prior to the rising of the dexterity of Life, the unfolding of activity.

Once, I spent my first night in the desert in the death valley and I was afraid of venimous snake, in the morning I went back to the village and told the shaman of my fears and he laugh loudly. Ah Snowy as you should know coldness shrink every space, liquid and gas except the contradiction spirit of Water who is not subject to this universal law and dilate when facing cold. Snakes crisp in the cold of the night because that is the Time Out Period, the daily Winter.

Ever since, each time I have been in the desert, I slep and meditate well at night and dear sisters and brothers strangely many times I arrived at a scene of pain, fear, despair and as intense it was as Deep was my Breathing triggered and those screams, pains, fears and aversions suddenly got peacefully balmed by the peaceFull irradiation.

As my twin brother Ephemeritus used to say ''State of Being'' is so, so contagious.


SNowy

Tarka the Duck
20th December 2012, 09:45
To tell someone that they need to clear there mind of all thoughts is kind of like telling someone they need to be happy.

Which particular method of meditation are you referring to here when you talk about a requirement to "clear the mind of all thoughts"? Yes, some traditions do have practices of blocking thoughts, in order to have one's mind and body "as still and immoveable as a mountain". That has a purpose in cultivating clarity.

But that type of meditation is not what the OP is about. it's about the recognition of the awareness of those thoughts.


Studies do reveal that Transcendental Medititation is THE most benifical form of meditation.


I'm obviously not aware of how wide your experience of meditation is, but to claim that one form or another is "THE most beneficial form" seems utterly pointless :rolleyes:
It's rather like stating that a cheese sandwich is better than a ham sandwich...

Each has its purpose: meditation is a tool, and all methods are available for the individual to use as required.

Kathie