Update from Lindsey Williams: The Next Four Years

[ThePythonicCow]

Lindsey Williams has delivered his next update, with a new set of DVD's and several talk show appearances, including Rense and Alex Jones.

He says he has new information for us. I listened to Lindsey (as best I could -- the audio quality of his phone line to Alex was poor), but then I lucked out and found one site that wrote out roughly what Lindsey was saying, which is a lot quicker way to peruse it.

From Lindsey Williams; 10 Elite Agenda Points To Happen In The Next Four Years (Logistics Monster) (http://logisticsmonster.com/2012/12/06/lindsey-williams-elite-agenda-points-happen-next-four-years/):

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Lindsey Williams interviewing with Alex Jones on 12.4.2012 outlining ten agenda points that the global elite have planned out for the world in the next four years. This is a very powerful interview and tracks with everything that we have been seeing with gold, the forced collapse of the dollar, the Federal Reserve buying mortgage backed securities, the District of Criminals’ usual Fourth Reich maneuvering, personal and commercial debt, student loan debt, and so on and so forth.

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(Lindsey says that the) elite are not ready for financial collapse because (first) they need to…


Force massive debt creation on all Americans
Tax the middle class into oblivion to the point where they lose their homes, businesses, and property
Debt limit will be suspended
Dollar is scheduled to be phased out
The death of legitimate, free, fair, and honest elections
The 38% of the American population receiving some form of government payout will be pushed to 70%
Gold prices will be pushed to $3000 an ounce
The ‘Devil’s Messiah Agenda’ will be put into full force as the last remnants of God is pushed out of our society as churches fall victim to debt and are bought up by the elites.
Millions of muslim immigrants will be brought into America and be given citizenship to institute Sharia law to replace the Constitution.
Americans must become their own doctors as Obamacare is not a health care program and upwards of 40% of healthcare workers are going to resign.

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To a first approximation, what Lindsey is saying sounds reasonable to me. The Bastards in Power sure look like they want to pile on more debt on us in the US, including personal, corporate, federal, state, local, and any other way they can.

In the talk (not on the list above) Lindsey noted that Obamacare tax code changes that start Jan 1, 2013 will exempt employers having to fund Obamacare for workers who work less than 30 hours per week, which will likely force millions of workers to go from a 40 hour week to a 29+ hour week.

At the same time, as part of the much talked about "fiscal cliff", new taxes will come into affect (with the termination of the Bush tax cuts and similar triggers, and with the ending of extended unemployment for millions of workers.)

And likely not long after, it's likely more state and federal taxes will be added, supposedly to handle the increasing debt. As we go further along, various benefits such as Social Security, Medicare, and Food Stamps will likely become worth less (in real dollar value at least) due to inflation, and inadequate "cost of living" adjustments. Austerity comes to America (my words, not Lindsey's.)

The US Dollar will continue to decline in value in foreign trade, raising the prices Americans pay for foreign goods (which is dang near everything these days -- food, gas, clothing, cars, whatever, ...)

Americans will earn less, pay more for essentials, be taxed more, and receive fewer benefits.

The debt burden will become overwhelming at all levels. Lindsey now figures that the elite expect this forced increase in debt will take 2 to 4 years more from now, before it is time for a major economic crisis to force a reset on America.

And one other aspect makes sense: become your own doctor. Many doctors will find it no longer pays to provide service under the new Obamacare regime, but likely more people will be expecting health care because more have some form of payment coverage. The end result will be declining availability of service under more bureaucratic regulation.

And there you have it ... the good news and the bad. The good news - the critical part of the economic crisis has been delayed. The bad news - the agony has been stretched out.

If you want all that in its full glory, I'm sure you can find the 7 hours of DVD video that Lindsey created in the last month on the above, without my having to provide a link.

[parcival]

Well, the stock markets around the globe seem to love whatever the "ankle biters" are doing.

[mosquito]

Thanks Paul, but the problem with this is that it's just soooooooooooooooooo Americentric !! Like the rest of the world doesn't exist. Also full of the usual gibberish from the christian right about "God being phased out" and yet "Millions of muslims" to be transported to America in order to introduce sharia law.

Legitimate, free and fair elections died looong ago, if in fact they ever existed.

"Christian" churches (businesses would be a more accurate word) being closed down ?
Americans becoming their own doctors ?

These 2 at least sound like extremely good news for the American people.

[norman]

Actually, Paul, I read this as very good news.

Considering all of the series of "tip-offs" via Lindsey Williams in the last few years, it looks to me like they are losing their grip and having to re plan and re plan and set back their goals.

With luck, and focus, we can stop them completely.

[ThePythonicCow]

Thanks Paul, but the problem with this is that it's just soooooooooooooooooo Americentric !!

Yes, it is. No claim was made otherwise.

[Alan]

Wow, I've never heard LW say this before -- it sounds ridiculous, I can't imagine a scenario where this would happen.

Millions of muslim immigrants will be brought into America and be given citizenship to institute Sharia law to replace the Constitution.

[Lazlo]

I'm thankful Paul found the cliffs notes. The only thing more painful than listening to Lindsey Williams talk in circles for 40 minutes to give 3 minutes of info, is listening to Alex Jones constantly interrupt him.

When this interview first became available I listened to the first 8 minutes before deciding that I could wait for someone to post the highlights.

I shudder to think what 8 hours would be like...:yield:

[gooty64]

What do the dvd's go for?
Is there a greatest hits - boxed set?

[andrewgreen]

Load of rubbish. These types of people are really scraping the barrel now!

[johnf]

Awesome, this guy is the anti fulford! Over this past week has been the highest noise to signal ratio I have seen in a while. That in itself might be a meaningful marker.
So maybe we are in the densest part of the bull**** storm, and are about to hit the eye of the storm.

[Lifebringer]

Boy this guy's a piss and vinegar and gloom and doom wizard. Does he have any good to say?

Sheesh.

[modwiz]

Mooslims and Sharia law. Boo! This is the boogie man of the ignoramus. Ignorance is the big word here. There are people of intelligence who know nothing of Islam or their evolved system of law called Sharia. Like any legal system judges and the cultures they represent are more important than the system. Sharia is supposed to make you think you will lose a hand for stealing. Sharia is far more organic than our blind justice system.

Needless to say, Lindseys' Mooslims and Sharia show him to be a fear monger and a man of marginal sophistication. He is speaking to a section of America that is very insular. More than is healthy for an informed democracy.

[TargeT]

Mooslims and Sharia law. Boo! This is the boogie man of the ignoramus. Ignorance is the big word here. There are people of intelligence who know nothing of Islam or their evolved system of law called Sharia. Like any legal system judges and the cultures they represent are more important than the system. Sharia is supposed to make you think you will lose a hand for stealing. Sharia is far more organic than our blind justice system.

Needless to say, Lindseys' Mooslims and Sharia show him to be a fear monger and a man of marginal sophistication. He is speaking to a section of America that is very insular. More than is healthy for an informed democracy.

in my experience I somewhat disagree, Islam is not just a religion, it has instructions for finance, society and politics; in the wrong hands (I've seen it) Sharia can be just as oppressive as anything else.
I have yet to find a religion that is "wholy" good & Islam is no exception, though it is not as bad as portrayed in the media it is not so good either.
I have read the Quran, I spent 18 months with Islamic people in their country, I saw the good (Kuwait) and the bad (everywhere else) examples of the religion/society rules in practice & have come to the conclusion that it is much like Christianity. (granted this is from MY perspective.. which is highly westernized)

the main thing people seem to misunderstand is that the Quran is not at all like the bible, it is not several books written over a long period of time by may authors, most of these books are just parables that the reader is suppose to "divine" meaning from.

No.

The Koran is one book, written in a period of one man’s life & has specific and direct commands (LOTS) it is a very clear and direct religious text & reaches much further than just religion.

now, to understand Islam you must understand the subgroups.. the Shia are a 10% minority, but they are also the "rulers" of most Islamic countries & they have different viewpoints of Islam.. Sunni are the majority & differ from the Shia in many ways.

I think Sharia law is more pure than christen doctrine, less contradiction for sure, and sharia law is suppose to only apply to believers, but I don't think it should abrogate the laws of the country that Muslims live in (which is often called for).. too confusing for non-Muslims.

so I guess I'm partially agreeing & at the same time "couching" by taking more of a middle ground,, it's not all good, it's not all bad, its very human.

[modwiz]

Mooslims and Sharia law. Boo! This is the boogie man of the ignoramus. Ignorance is the big word here. There are people of intelligence who know nothing of Islam or their evolved system of law called Sharia. Like any legal system judges and the cultures they represent are more important than the system. Sharia is supposed to make you think you will lose a hand for stealing. Sharia is far more organic than our blind justice system.

Needless to say, Lindseys' Mooslims and Sharia show him to be a fear monger and a man of marginal sophistication. He is speaking to a section of America that is very insular. More than is healthy for an informed democracy.

in my experience I somewhat disagree, Islam is not just a religion, it has instructions for finance, society and politics; in the wrong hands (I've seen it) Sharia can be just as oppressive as anything else.
I have yet to find a religion that is "wholy" good & Islam is no exception, though it is not as bad as portrayed in the media it is not so good either.
I have read the Quran, I spent 18 months with Islamic people in their country, I saw the good (Kuwait) and the bad (everywhere else) examples of the religion/society rules in practice & have come to the conclusion that it is much like Christianity. (granted this is from MY perspective.. which is highly westernized)

the main thing people seem to misunderstand is that the Quran is not at all like the bible, it is not several books written over a long period of time by may authors, most of these books are just parables that the reader is suppose to "divine" meaning from.

No.

The Koran is one book, written in a period of one man’s life & has specific and direct commands (LOTS) it is a very clear and direct religious text & reaches much further than just religion.

now, to understand Islam you must understand the subgroups.. the Shia are a 10% minority, but they are also the "rulers" of most Islamic countries & they have different viewpoints of Islam.. Sunni are the majority & differ from the Shia in many ways.

I think Sharia law is more pure than christen doctrine, less contradiction for sure, and sharia law is suppose to only apply to believers, but I don't think it should abrogate the laws of the country that Muslims live in (which is often called for).. too confusing for non-Muslims.

so I guess I'm partially agreeing & at the same time "couching" by taking more of a middle ground,, it's not all good, it's not all bad, its very human.

I was simply attempting to de-bogiefy Sharia and give it its' respectful due. I was in no way promoting it. I think the majority of Muslims who move to a non-Sharia country are fine with the system they come under. Without the media and prostiticians distorting both the concept and intention, this perception would not exist, IMO. Sure, show a firebrand Islamic cleric and his congregation calling for Sharia on TV and you will have a circus made for Judaeo-Christians.

I do not believe there is a credible threat. Intellectually I do not see it and when I consider the cesspool this idea seeped from it makes me all the more sure it is all :bs:

[GCS1103]

Thank you Paul for your interesting thread. I agree with his conclusions on many issues. For certain, there are many medical doctors that have decided to leave the practice due to ever increasing malpractice rates and lowered fees paid by insurance carriers. While I'm not particularly a fan of medical doctors, I dislike the insurance companies much more. They have decreased payments to physicians but none of us have benefited by getting lowered insurance premiums. They have skyrocketed in the past few years and will continue to increase.

As to the middle class being taxed into oblivion; who can deny that this is not happening now? The foreclosure rate on homes is so high that the real numbers, if disclosed, would be staggering. The inventory on bank owned properties (REO's) is at an all time high. The banks have not been permitted to put these homes on the market yet, because the impact to housing values would be devastating. Things are not looking too promising for us, right now.

[Vitalux]

Well one thing I like about Listening to Alex Jones ..I feel like I am sitting in church being told that the whole planet is going to hell in a hand basket....:rain:

I watch and wonder.....what the F*** ....:ohwell:


I choose not to listen to that ........and turn my attention to beautiful :hippie: things.......because if I dwell on those things Alex talks about ....I would then start to wish I was dead...........which is expensive


I don't mean to sound irresponsible to civic duty or awareness.....I just sometimes need to love what is ....for a spell...:hippie:


((hugs))

much love

[ThePythonicCow]

He [Lindsey Williams] is speaking to a section of America that is very insular. More than is healthy for an informed democracy.
That is indeed his audience :).

My take on Lindsey has always been that he's far more of a Southern Baptist minister (or some such denomination) than he is an economist, historian or petroleum engineer. For some reason unknown to me, he has taken on the role of delivering messages from some petro insiders to the audience to which he speaks, the subset of the "good 'ol boys and their women of the Southern US" that have started to notice things aren't quite right.

The message he's been asked to deliver seems to have enough of a realistic understanding to provide useful guidance to his listeners on how to get through the present changes without undo stress (and without causing the bastards in power too much grief.)

He's not what I'd consider a big picture guy, rather just performing a role as spokesman for big oil, to a certain audience that he's good at speaking to.

[ED209]

These Lindsay Williams talking points sound like they were ripped from the liars at Fox News or something equally disreputable. Williams is just pissed off because he doesn't like Obama Care or whatever. Please don't take these talking points seriously.

[ThePythonicCow]

These Lindsay Williams talking points sound like they were ripped from the liars at Fox News or something equally disreputable. Williams is just pissed off because he doesn't like Obama Care or whatever. Please don't take these talking points seriously.

Lindsey has been at this present effort of speaking for his "elite friends" since at least 2006, well before Obama or Obamacare.

One could raise some serious objections to what he says, as I've done, even as I've found an aspect of what he says to be quite useful over the years.

Simply posting smears however doesn't help the conversation on this forum much.

[ED209]

I'm sorry for smearing. I just assumed my reasoning was obvious, but I was wrong. I actually thought the LW talking points sounded "smeary" to me, Admin. This is why I reacted so negatively: The Muslim comment is downright racist and offensive. It assumes that Muslims want to destroy our country's most sacred and important document and that the separation of church and state will end. The Sharia Law comment kind of contradicts the part about destroying religion. Another red flag is that saying that Americans will become their own doctors because mearly half of the medical labor force will resign is ridiculous as is saying that a program that extends health coverage to millions is not a health care program. The bit about destroying churches sounds like fear mongering. Religion has always flourished with or without building structures. The LW points sound like right wing hater stuff disguised as knowing concern. I didn't mean to smear your post. I just got caught up in dislike for what LW is selling people -- fear for a profit.

[Referee]

Well I hate to be the only one to think he may be getting good Info. If you check the Freeman TV from Dec. 1 there are many things lining up to what Lindsey says. Give it a check here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53032-Freeman-TV-Dec-1--Tons-of-INFO--)

[ThePythonicCow]

I didn't mean to smear your post. I just got caught up in dislike for what LW is selling people -- fear for a profit.
I didn't figure you were smearing my post at all ... no problem there.

And, yes, when Lindsey gets going on anything involving religion, including his present anti-Sharia comments, then I tune him out. I don't have personal knowledge of Sharia law either way, but I'm for sure not going to start with Lindsey to gain such knowledge.

As GCS1103 commented above, I figure the health care issues that Lindsey raised are more serious. GCS1103 likely knows more doctors than I do (I know none, so that would be easy.) I do figure the advice to make an effort to become one's own doctor is excellent advice, and has been so for some time now.

Yes, religion in some form can flourish without church buildings, but the advice to get out of debt, including mortgage debt on real property, even for churches, strikes me as sound advice.

But, those are issues one could take reasonable positions on either way. I was just suggesting raising the quality of your criticism a bit, as you did in your reply to me. Thanks!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I figure the health care issues that Lindsey raised are more serious.

True


the advice to make an effort to become one's own doctor is excellent advice

True again

His tip on L-Arginine and Laminine appear to be good for instance, the bald stockbroker who basically told us to invest in water because its the best investment possible i also consider to be a healthy tip from any angle you look at it, health and financewise, ta add to the sharia point, its a law, dont want it, dont need it, i dont commit crimes and i do not harm, and am still guessing what the hell cosmic justice might be( seems too be non existant, when genocide on a grand scale seems to be supported by it, take a look around)