God Particle???

[apokalypse]

just went though news article they mention about God Particle and the discovery...what in the blue hell is God Particle and it's theory? is this something new or already have mention and talked about in alternative Science/Media what they call it Conspiracy.

[thetruepathofwisdom]

I am no expert, but I think it is a captured particle of anti-matter produced by colliding to particles and light speed. I know this from watching the movie Angels and Demons, based on a book by Dan Brown.
I think the reason it is called the god particle is because is what the universe supposedly comes from, as in the big-bang theory.

Hope this helps :)

JP

[apokalypse]

just hate that bloody title "God" ...i wonder which God, God in Christianity-God in Islam or God in Buddhism.

[RMorgan]

Hey mate,

Check it out here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

And here:

http://public.web.cern.ch/public/

Actually, God Particle is just a misleading nickname...There´s nothing to do with God, in the mystical sense.

Raf.

[thetruepathofwisdom]

I think it imply's the god of Christianity, most of all Catholicism. That is my take of it anyway, judging from the book and movie Angels and Demons (very, very symbolic).

[Ernest]

The Higgs boson doesn't have anything more to do with God or religion than any other particle in this world, it's just one of those particles that we weren't sure about if it existed or not, until recently. Someone just decided to refer to this particles as that in some book (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Particle:_If_the_Universe_Is_the_Answer,_What_Is_the_Question%3F) and somehow it stuck.

Edit: I responded too hastily, and that which I said had already been said before. ^_^

[ThePythonicCow]

just went though news article they mention about God Particle and the discovery...what in the blue hell is God Particle and it's theory? is this something new or already have mention and talked about in alternative Science/Media what they call it Conspiracy.

The "God Particle" is a popular name for the Higgs Boson.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson



In mainstream media the Higgs boson is often referred to as the "God particle," after the title of Leon Lederman's book on the topic (1993). The sobriquet is strongly disliked by many physicists, who regard it as both inappropriate and misleading sensationalism.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Particle:_If_the_Universe_Is_the_Answer,_What_Is_the_Question%3F



Lederman said he gave the Higgs boson the nickname "The God Particle" because the particle is "so central to the state of physics today, so crucial to our final understanding of the structure of matter, yet so elusive," but added that a second reason was because "the publisher wouldn't let us call it the Goddamn Particle, though that might be a more appropriate title, given its villainous nature and the expense it is causing."

Back to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson




The Higgs boson or Higgs particle is an elementary particle in the Standard Model of physics. All other particles in the Standard Model have been seen in experiments, but the Higgs boson, first predicted to exist in the 1960s, is difficult to create and detect. It may have finally been discovered in July 2012, but it will take further testing to know for sure. Its discovery, or confirmation of its non-existence, would be monumental because it would finally prove the existence of the Higgs field, the simplest and longest standing explanation of how the electroweak interaction divides into electromagnetism and the weak force (via "symmetry breaking").

[Tarka the Duck]

just hate that bloody title "God" ...i wonder which God, God in Christianity-God in Islam or God in Buddhism.

There isn't one in Buddhism :becky:

[ThePythonicCow]

The "God Particle" is a popular name for the Higgs Boson.
Here's a little Youtube video (one of many available) that explains what the Higgs Boson is:


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[Finefeather]

Well the thing to mull around in your mind about the 'God' particle is that it does not exist until it can be identified and by then it is 'something' and not the 'God' particle.
The only way science is going to find this out is to get a few of them (scientists) to die and then report back on it's state because it certainly does not exist in our 'dimension'.
Then the fun starts because then the cat will be out the bag because science would have proved life after death and this would be a bit troublesome for some...?

[deridan]

{just as from the vid:}
next question,
the God/Higg Field,.....?????
rather than the particle[s], (but i don't know enough yet, nuances to why observations of this Higgs Particle would be so crucial to _what_)

how would the field recognize differences (which differences - for things essentially not there)
how does the field then give different properties to different particles, properties which are noted by us as differences in our physical universe

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

There was another date when scientists thought they had isolated the Higgs Boson, but the results didn't correlate strongly enough with expected ones.
I think the Swiss and the Americans at Berkeley were only a day apart in their detection of the Higgs some years back, but it wasn't ISOLATED until this year IIRC.

The discovery itself could be important OP, because it changed modern notions of physics to study it. This is called a NOVEMBER REVOLUTION, when a discovery in physics leads to a chain of other discoveries. A CERN scientist was actually quoted complaining about the idea in that last sentence, when he (Mr. Dragan) said "it is not a good sign for a theory if it immediately demands the generation of another theory". That is not true! He needs to get fired!

Did you compare the decay pattern of the Higgs to anything else you've seen in popular art or science?

I saw the Golden Flower when they posted the last decay pic. What about you?

And anyone read about the J Meson and how it was discovered also within 24 hours at two different labs across the world.
Another "field" we need to study imo.

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/1140/mandala.png

There are only 2 God particle pictures in there. Can you point them out from the mandalas?


I had an old article about this, here you go:


Quantum Physics, Particle Detectors, and the Development of a Theory of Everything: a Case Study of 4 Related Events Referred to as the “November Revolution” (being the discovery of the J/ψ Meson at two separate labs within one day, and the alleged detection of the Higgs Boson at two separate labs within two days).
Posted on March 11, 2012


Rob Hastings and Katie Binns

London Independent
July 25, 2011

You wait millions of years for a God particle to come along, and then two clusters turn up at once.

*****Scientists in the US announced they may have detected the elusive and potentially universe-changing Higgs boson particle yesterday, just two days after rivals in Switzerland signalled that they, too, have caught their first sight of it.*****

The physicists working at the Fermilab facility in Illinois may not be as well known as their more illustrious competitors at the Cern Institute near Geneva, which attracted widespread media attention and predictions of an apocalypse when its Large Hadron Collider was turned on in 2008.

However, Fermilab have their own version of the $10 billion collider, known as the Tevatron, in which they are also accelerating beams of protons and antiprotons around tunnels many miles long at extreme speeds. Both teams are doing this to create high-energy collisions between the particles, which they believe should produce the mysterious Higgs boson.




ANOTHER ONE!
LOOK AGAIN (WIKI):

The J/ψ is a subatomic particle, a flavor-neutral meson consisting of a charmquark and a charm antiquark.

Its discovery was made independently by two research groups, one at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, headed by Burton Richter, and one at the Brookhaven National Laboratory, headed by Samuel Ting at MIT.

*****They discovered they had actually found the same particle, and both announced their discoveries on 11 November 1974. The importance of this discovery is highlighted by the fact that the subsequent, rapid changes in high-energy physics at the time have become collectively known as the “November Revolution”.*****

[nurgle]

My avatar picture is suppose to maybe be the Higgs-Boson particle :)

[toad]

It is no GOD particle anyone in the physics field will make a really disgusted face when hearing it described that way. It helps to complete the standard model and explain why particles have mass I.e. energy. See higgs field.

[apokalypse]

they have found God Particle...


The search is all but over for a sub-atomic particle that is a crucial building block of the universe.

Physicists said on Thursday they believe they have discovered the sub-atomic particle predicted nearly half a century ago, which will go a long way toward explaining what gives electrons and all matter in the universe size and shape.

The elusive particle, called a Higgs boson, was predicted in 1964 to help fill in our understanding of the creation of the universe, which many theorise occurred in a massive explosion known as the Big Bang.

The particle was named for Peter Higgs, one of the physicists who proposed its existence, but it later became popularly known as the God particle.

Last July, scientists at CERN, the Geneva-based European Organisation for Nuclear Research, announced finding a particle they described as Higgs-like, but they stopped short of saying conclusively that it was the same particle or some version of it.

Scientists have now finished going through the entire set of data year and announced the results in a statement and at a physics conference in the Italian Alps.


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"To me it is clear that we are dealing with a Higgs boson, though we still have a long way to go to know what kind of Higgs boson it is," said Joe Incandela, a physicist who heads one of the two main teams at CERN that each involve about 3000 scientists.

Its existence helps confirm the theory that objects gain their size and shape when particles interact in an energy field with a key particle, the Higgs boson. The more they attract, the theory goes, the bigger their mass will be.

But, it remains an "open question", CERN said in a statement, whether this is the Higgs boson that was expected in the original formulation, or possibly the lightest of several predicted in some theories that go beyond that model.

But for now, it said, there can be little doubt that a Higgs boson does exist, in some form.

Whether or not it is a Higgs boson is demonstrated by how it interacts with other particles and its quantum properties, CERN said in the statement. The data "strongly indicates that it is a Higgs boson", it said.

The discovery would be a strong contender for the Nobel Prize, though it remains unclear whether that might go to Higgs and the others who first proposed the theory or to the thousands of scientists who found it, or to all of them.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/16371708/physicists-find-god-particle/

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"Scientists working with data from a large particle accelerator in Europe are now almost certain they have pinned down the elusive sub-atomic particle known as the Higgs Boson," NPR's Joe Palca tells our Newscast Desk.

Or, as it's also known, the "God Particle" (more on that moniker below).

Joe reports that:

"The Large Hadron Collider sits in a 17-mile long circular tunnel straddling France and Switzerland. There are two scientific instruments called detectors located at distinct points around the tunnel. These detectors measure the debris when larger atomic particles are smashed together. Now, scientists have analyzed results from both these detectors, and both have seen a particle consistent with what theoretical models have predicted would be the Higgs Boson.

"Although the result is gratifying in the sense that the collider was built largely to find the Higgs, finding it exactly as predicted is a little disappointing. Finding something that wasn't predicted would mean there's an entire new field of physics is waiting to be discovered."

OK, we realize this is complicated — and that as scientists do, the geniuses at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, are leaving themselves some wiggle room. This is from their announcement Thursday:

"Having analysed two and a half times more data than was available for the discovery announcement in July, they find that the new particle is looking more and more like a Higgs boson, the particle linked to the mechanism that gives mass to elementary particles. It remains an open question, however, whether this is the Higgs boson of the Standard Model of particle physics, or possibly the lightest of several bosons predicted in some theories that go beyond the Standard Model. Finding the answer to this question will take time."

To help us all better understand this, let's look back to an exchange Eyder had last June with 13.7 blogger Adam Frank:

Q: I've heard many metaphors for what this Higgs boson is. A basic explanation is that it's the thing that gives subatomic particles their mass. The best metaphor I've heard is from Fermilab's Don Lincoln, who says the energy field made by the Higgs is like water. Depending on your mass you'll move through the water with ease — like a barracuda — or slowly, like a big, fat man. How would you explain the Higgs to a friend at a bar?

A: In a bar, I'd probably use one of those analogies. The real important thing for me is that fundamental particles are as far as we can tell zero-dimensional particles. They have no radius. You can't think of fundamental particles as being glass marbles. They literally have no extension in space. They can never bump into anything else.

It's all about interactions. It's about them exchanging other particles as forces. With a particle like the electron — what gives the electron mass is really inertia, that's the property that we associate with massive particles. Mass and inertia go together.

So since an electron or a quark has no extension in space, you sort of wonder where did the mass go? Well it's not that the mass resides with the electron or the proton. It's that the mass comes from its interaction with other things. And in this case, it's the Higgs field that gives this point particle — the electron — the appearance of inertia. That is what allows it to act like it's resisting changes in its motion.

Whereas you have other particles like the photon which has no mass, and because of that it can go at the speed of light, whereas a massive particle will never be able to go at light speed.

Q: So, if the Higgs didn't exist, what would the world look like?

A: It would all be photons. Everything would be moving at the speed of light, right. Which means at light speed, you wouldn't be able to have the kinds of structures we see today. You'd never get atoms and chemistry and rocks. So it's really important. The property of mass is really important for getting clumpy structures, essentially, like us.

Now, about that "God particle" name. As another of 13.7's bloggers, Marcelo Gleiser, has written, it's a misnomer:

"The God Particle is the title of a popular science book by Nobel Prize winner Leon Lederman, who was Fermilab's director for many years and thus my boss when I was a postdoctoral fellow there. According to Leon, he wanted to call the book The Goddamn Particle because nobody could find the thing. However, his editor discouraged him from the title, suggesting that The God Particle would sell many more copies. This is the story that Leon tells us.

"In any case, the name stuck. Of course, the particle has nothing godlike about it. It's a hypothetical particle, part of the so-called Standard Model of particle physics. Its main job is to give masses to all other particles. I guess, in this role, it does have something of a centralizing influence, although nothing quite divine. Its real name, the Higgs boson, honors Scottish physicist Peter Higgs who, in the 1960s, worked on perfecting the details of the mass-giving mechanism."


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/03/14/174287416/god-particle-update-scientists-think-theyve-pinned-down-the-higgs-boson

[conk]

There is likely always a particle smaller and more mysterious than the Higgs piece. And wouldn't the God particle actually be a wave potential and not a particle. That would seem to be closer to the God source than any particle manifestation. We need Carmody in here to provide an explanation no one can understand.....;)

[noprophet]

I think all this particle talk is misleading. We need people to start to think of things as large scale unity fields collapsing in, and upon, one another to create dynamic harmonics. The fact that over-unity energy is believed, by many, to be a pipe-dream is a severe hindrance to intellectually modeling these ideas as people tend not to think of energy as a sustaining form. Hence we get terms like "god-particle" as if it were separate * from all the things it is supposedly underlying.

[Conchis]

So, you know, absolute zero, is where supposedly all motion stops....the Higgs Boson, unlike all of the other particles they've described has zero spin....don't you find that curious? Most of us here have talked about the universe as a collection of frequencies and here is this thing, that might have the frequency of zero.

[donk]

"God particle" is a media creation (meme) to sell the public on the particle collider in Switzerland.

At the time, the Higg's boson was supposedly the smallest unit of matter we'd ever find according to traditional physics.

All the scientific explanations here are pretty good, but the linguistic aspect of this is important too. It is the idea that we KNOW oh so much about the nature of matter, and that if we can just make a big enough ($$$) collider will have this whole existence thing quantified in a nice "physics" package...we'll find god through our science