China: so corrupt even the police are protesting

[Cidersomerset]

Things are not as rosy as we are led to believe. For millions of rural Chinese
nothing has changed for decades, but now the police are feeling the effects
of corruption..



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Published on 20 Dec 2012


Jonathan Sparks filmed in Shandong, China where he was whisked away by officers who
wanted to tell him a story about corruption. In an extraordinary tale, the police told
Channel 4 how they'd been cheated out of millions by their chief,.

[toad]

Nice story, feel bad for those in such a situation.

[Airwooz]

I am so surprised to see these police officers stood up, they didn't even ask for face censoring. I guess After 40 years service they got nothing to lose ...

But this is just a typical incident that happens everyday here in China, i can't see the end of the mass corruption, it's not just government members, corruption is part of Chinese culture, just like cancer.

[toad]

Yeah I'm surprised they allowed their faces and names to be published

[kaon]

China has a long way to go. However, I feel that they are slowly changing for the better. This will take some time.
Technologically they are becoming a supreme power in the world. Yes, with that comes more corruption, but what country does not have corruption?

I think much progress has been made, but there needs to be much more. Clearly the people are speaking out where 20 years ago there would be silence. More silence means more fear and less silence is less fear.
China is truly an amazing place to visit and the government does allow a certain amount of freedom especially when it comes to travel and enterprising.

I have a big soft spot for the people of China. They are a kind and loving people, but will continue to rise when it comes to the government.

[Carmody]

The strongest of integrity, that mind and body can also also harbour the strongest of drive, at the cost of/to others. One person's ideals, vs that of the next person. The depth of tradition and the depth of sheer will, is what polarizes the situation so powerfully. It isn't just about the blind following of tradition, it is about the intensity of the people within the given situation, or in this case, culture.

[Lazlo]

Looks like there would be a considerable number of those in uniform who would be on the "right" side of the line in a revolutionary situation.

[Mulder]

It slips my mind who said that China would one-day become a Christian country - maybe it was Edgar Caycee. Even if it does, this won't even dent corruption. I personally, have lived in a corrupt 2nd World Country, I got married but could never get a visa/permission to stay due to corruption. The staff didn't want my money, they just took out their sh!tty lives on me and my wife, making sure I would never stay. Among other things, they knit-picked my forms I filled in, they questioned translations, lost paperwork, sent us on wild-goose chases around the city. So unless you have experienced this you will not understand how corruption works - a big part of it is ENTERTAINMENT for the bureaucrats.

[bram]

China has certainly progressed economically in the last fifteen years or so, but the newfound wealth in my opinion conceals a poverty of spirit in the people which has left them open to the most appalling abuses of power by the Party. The impact of the cultural revolution on a people steeped in Confucian values is often underestimated; I think China staggered out of Mao's years of insanity with its collective spirit totally drained in a way that is inconceivable for westerners.

For years, the Chinese have been largely oblivious to the suffering of others because of a total lack of trust in their fellow men (witness the 2 year old child left to die after being run over last year or so); the people generally are petrified of individualism, because standing out is what gets you picked on and killed. Cruelty exists in chinese society at a level which exceeds that of any other country, except maybe India, and IMO it will take a long time for the Chinese people to regain their trust, and the corrupt officials will go on exploiting the collective weakness of the world's most collectivist populace with impunity for generations to come.

The state is so powerful, and the people so powerless. The state condones corruption in a cynical manner and displays public hypocrisy; but what can the people do? Stand up like Falun Gong and get beaten to death, or have their organs harvested? or just quietly get on with it and make the best of it?

Southeast Asia is now awash with Chinese dirty money- everywhere you go you can see the spoils of corruption being thrown around.

At the same time, the Chinese are the greatest people-given the opportunity of freedom we can see what the overseas chinese communities acheive all over the world; but it is still so much harder in China.

[ThePythonicCow]

The impact of the cultural revolution on a people steeped in Confucian values is often underestimated

I suspect you're spot on in your post, bram. Well said.

Very troubling.