A Commercial Space Race Would Jumpstart the Global Economy (IMO)

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

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TWTCS says:



What Our World Needs, Believe It or Not, Is An Industrial Revolution --
Where the Objective Is the Colonization of Space and the Mechanization of Factories.


12/22/2012 "On the day after doomsday, there is a new light"



Whether you have read Hogan's CRADLE OF SATURN, or even Heinlein's FRIDAY with glee, as hundreds of sub-orbital busses blast off from the earth's surface every day and we earthlings have colonized Orion; or you've thumbed seriously through tomes of Frank Herbert's heroes who traverse dusty worlds while staving off invading hordes of spacecraft-riding rivals -- you've come to the same conclusion: something is wrong here on our planet.


With a growing population, there should be a growing economy. With a growing population, hope should grow too. But hope in what? To be more efficient to the point of denying ourselves the things we need to be comfortable? To be meek to the point of giving up our place on earth for someone else? Now you just think for a moment on the idea that space travel should cure overpopulation and lack of resources in one.

to be continued :tsk: someone needs coffee

Okay, back!


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HOW WOULD THE COMMERCIALIZATION OF SPACE JUMPSTART THE GLOBAL ECONOMY?


FUEL BOOM - "as above, so below". as factories are refitted, and materials moved to new sites, there may well be a huge shipping boom -- and for a little while, fuel prices will rise as new facilities and vehicles are constructed, and workers are moved to new job sites, and people spend their extra money earned on site.

Third world country nationals in particular could benefit from a manned factory or transportation boom. Not everything needs to be automated. Just the high-quality stuff IMO. If people make a decent living knitting socks, let them knit. But if they want to work toward commercialization of space, let them do that instead.

Entire families could be housed with ease if companies provided room and board for the transient workers. In fact, factory towns could become much posher and livelier per square foot than normal towns where people have no focus and are just scraping by to pay bills.


HOUSING BOOM -- as stated above, as factory workers are moved to facilitate mining and spacecraft manufacturing, along with all the other things you'd need to have ready before a large ship could leave orbit, you would need a temporary place to put all these people. Hence the opportunity for green technology and truly sustainable living to get a foot in the door.

Using fuel is not wrong. Using fuel wastefully is very wrong. Housing people is not wrong. Housing people inefficiently can be wrong, in a crowded or deprived world. One of the reasons I hate the rich isn't because they live well: they just don't give a damn when others can't live decently. That's wrong too.

EDUCATION BOOM -- it goes without saying that a mutual effort to settle another planet would very well result in a superior educational system. With space travel as a goal there would be something real to profoundly reach for through education. Sorry if that was worded badly.

I call this the Babel effect, the unified language and scientific bent of the human hive.

Rise of the common tongue -- humans will soon speak a common language. Yet to know if it will be a sign language, musical language, spoken, or a combination of those and symbols.

I think one of the ancient gematria languages makes the most sense, personally. Like Hebrew.


MINING BOOM -- already happening in China and places as far away as Bellevue, WA, where Planetary Resources is aiming to mine asteroids and moons in space. Precious metals have never been more important, or more plentiful, than they are to a culture with access to space. We need them less for circuit boards than for shielding and containment of electric fields thanks to breakthroughs in quantum computing.


CRYSTAL Navigator's COMPUTERS -- a recent update by MIT (read this on PP I think) claims that their labs have found a new state of matter involving the creation of a charged crystal whose electromagnetic properties are in constant flux, enabling for easier quantum entanglement and abstract calculation and list navigation.

SEXUAL and RELIGIOUS IMPERATIVES: relaxed or stressed according to the will of the people or the colony in question.
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[johnf]

Been thinking about this for a few years. I don't see it materializing though.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/12/13/virgin-galactic-future-at-spaceport-uncertain/

Virgin Galactic is the most visible project around this idea, and it looks like it has shown it's true colors.
Hopefully things will turn around ,but that is not happening today.

[ThePythonicCow]

(Sorry if wrong forum, this looked decent -- please move if needed!)
I noticed that you also posted the opening Post #1 of this thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52852-some-cartoons-P&p=604169&viewfull=1#post604169) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52844-Beyond-December-21st-2013-predictions&p=604173&viewfull=1#post604173). I replaced those other posts with links back to this thread. It is usually (not always, but usually) best not to paste the same post in multiple places. Thanks.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Thanks to you too, but any other thoughts, really.

All I got was a chiding and one other guy with no faith.

Doesn't anyone believe humans can get off of planet earth?

:sad:

[eni-al]

Eventually taking to space commercially will come about. Though the commercial aspect I don't like so much, but realistically, it would certainly be a big help to many things.
I think we'll have to await for the space planes to reach a stage that we see them in regular use until we start seeing the industry actually fully develop, or become an extension of the current tourism industry.

Virgin Galactic seemed good at first, but the delays and huge costs don't seem too good.
Opinion of virigin anyway is not as good as it once was. I don't really care if they offered to run a train line for reduced cost or what other do good things, the Virgin logo is being slapped on everything and standards are all over the place, and Branson seems to be working his way into politics. Just what we need in the UK, a billionaire politician on top of the millionaire politicians. Thankfully, don't use anything of Virgin, so hypocrite factor is zero :D

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Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo Makes History with 1st Rocket-Powered Flight
By Clara Moskowitz | SPACE.com – 1 hr 55 mins ago

http://news.yahoo.com/virgin-galactics-spaceshiptwo-makes-history-1st-rocket-powered-155954823.html


WhiteKnightTwo carries SpaceShipOne …

A private spaceship designed to carry space tourists made its first rocket-powered test flight today (April 29), reaching supersonic speeds as it paved the way toward commercial flights in the near future.

Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo space plane fired its rocket engines for the first time during flight this morning in a test from California's Mojave Air and Spaceport. The vehicle was carried aloft by the mothership WhiteKnightTwo, and then released in midair at an altitude of about 46,000 feet (14,000 meters). At that point, SpaceShipTwo test fired its rocket engine, designed to propel the craft of the rest of the way up to space.

After a short 16-second burn today, SpaceShipTwo reached a maximum altitude of 56,000 feet (17,000 meters) before flew back to Earth. The trip marked the 26th test flight of the vehicle, and the first "powered flight," which propelled the ship to Mach 1.2, fast enough to beat the speed of sound, which is 761 miles per hour (1224 km/h). [See amazing photos of SpaceShipTwo test flights]

"The rocket motor ignition went as planned, with the expected burn duration, good engine performance and solid vehicle handling qualities throughout," Virgin Galactic president and CEO George Whitesides said in a statement. "The successful outcome of this test marks a pivotal point for our program. We will now embark on a handful of similar powered flight tests, and then make our first test flight to space."

SpaceShipTwo is a suborbital vehicle, designed to carry space tourists on trips to the edge of space and back for $200,000 a ride. Though these flights wouldn't make a full orbit of the planet, they would provide passengers with a brief experience of weightlessness and a view of Earth from the blackness of space.

Virgin Galactic is backed by British billionaire Sir Richard Branson, who was on the ground at Mojave to view the flight today.

"This is a momentous day and the single most important flight test to date for our Virgin Galactic program," Branson wrote in a blog post on Virgin's website. "What a feeling to be on the ground with all the team in Mojave to witness the occasion."

If test flights continue to go well, SpaceShipTwo may carry passengers as soon as this year or 2014, Virgin Galactic officials have said. Already, more than 500 people have signed up for the flights, which will be run out of Spaceport America in New Mexico once testing is complete.

The test flight began this morning at 7 a.m. PDT (10 a.m. EDT, or 1400 GMT). Flying aboard SpaceShipTwo were pilot Mark Stucky and co-pilot Mike Alsbury, both test pilots for the private aerospace firm Scaled Composites, which built SpaceShipTwo for Virgin Galactic. It comes after two recent glide test flights, on April 3 and April 12, that set the stage for today's landmark powered test.

Scaled also built the space plane's predecessor, SpaceShipOne, which won the $10 million Ansari X Prize in 2004 by becoming the first commercial vehicle to fly people to space and back twice in a week.

Follow Clara Moskowitz on Twitter and Google+. Follow us @Spacedotcom, Facebook and Google+. Original article on .

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceShipOne

SpaceShipOne is a suborbital air-launched spaceplane that completed the first manned private spaceflight in 2004. That same year, it won the US$10 million Ansari X Prize and was immediately retired from active service. Its mother ship was named "White Knight". Both craft were developed and flown by Mojave Aerospace Ventures, which was a joint venture between Paul Allen and Scaled Composites, Burt Rutan's aviation company. Allen provided the funding of approximately US$25 million.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaceshiptwo

The Scaled Composites Model 339 SpaceShipTwo (SS2) is a suborbital, air-launched spaceplane designed for space tourism. It is under development as part of the Tier 1b program under contract to The Spaceship Company, a California-based company that is 100% owned by its sister company Virgin Galactic.

SpaceShipTwo is carried to its launch altitude by a jet-powered mothership, the Scaled Composites White Knight Two, before being released to fly on into the upper atmosphere, powered by a rocket motor. It then glides back to Earth and performs a conventional runway landing.[1] The spaceship was officially unveiled to the public on 7 December 2009 at the Mojave Air and Space Port in California.[2] On 29 April 2013, after three years of unpowered testing, the spacecraft successfully performed its first powered test flight.[3]

The Virgin Galactic spaceline plans to operate a fleet of five SpaceShipTwo spaceplanes in a private passenger-carrying service, starting in 2014,[4][5][6][7] and are already taking bookings, with a suborbital flight carrying a ticket price of US$200,000.[8] The spaceplane could also be used to carry scientific payloads for NASA and other organisations.[9]

[sheme]

We have nuked daughter Moon- we are confined to the Mother until we mature/ remove /convert the PTB. We are prisoners in life.

[ThePythonicCow]

WhiteKnightTwo carries SpaceShipOne …

A private spaceship designed to carry space tourists made its first rocket-powered test flight today (April 29), reaching supersonic speeds as it paved the way toward commercial flights in the near future.
Here's a video from an earlier flight, about a month ago, when they took off and flew to 45,000 feet, but did not fire the rocket engine:
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Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo completes maiden flight (http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/23/virgin-galactics-spaceshiptwo-completes-maiden-flight/)

[ThePythonicCow]

Cidersomerset posted another news article on this latest test flight of Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo over at NASA tests alternative to shuttles //NASA launches first Antares Rocket (Post #3) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58540-NASA-tests-alternative-to-shuttles-NASA-launches-first-Antares-Rocket&p=668238&viewfull=1#post668238)

[Another1]

The excitement over this idea seemed to reach a crest round about 2003-4. We were going to the moon to mine Helium 3. There were public requests for people to brainstorm ideas and plenty of commercial space start-ups seeking venture capital, then it all went poof?

Burt Rutan speaks well on how NASA failed us here:
In this passionate talk, legendary spacecraft designer Burt Rutan lambasts the US government-funded space program for stagnating and asks entrepreneurs to pick up where NASA has left off.

http://www.ted.com/talks/burt_rutan_sees_the_future_of_space.html

[Cidersomerset]

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Published on 30 Apr 2013


Virgin Galactic spaceship made its first engine-powered flight on Monday in a test
that moves the company toward its goal of flying into space later this year. While
SpaceShipTwo did not break out of the atmosphere during the test flight, it marked
a significant milestone for Virgin Galactic, which intends to take passengers on
suborbital joyrides. During the early morning flight, SpaceShipTwo, strapped to
the belly a twin-fuselage jet, took off from an airport runway in the Mojave Desert
north of Los Angeles.

[BrianEn]

Thanks for the vids Paul and Cid. Only a dream when I was a kid, but inching forward. I'm wondering how much longer until they do an orbit of the earth. Then a run around the moon. Maybe not in my time but sure does kick the imagination in gear.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

thanks to everyone! (esp Paul!)
for contributing to this while I am away!! :spy: :flame:

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

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NASA plans to haul asteroid into Moon orbit for closer inspection

there's gold in them thar asteroids!

http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-may-slam-captured-asteroid-moon-eventually-190708657.html

NASA May Slam Captured Asteroid Into Moon (Eventually)
SPACE.com by Mike Wall, Senior Writer 4 hours ago
NASA May Slam Captured Asteroid Into Moon (Eventually).
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This concept image shows an astronaut preparing to take samples from the captured asteroid after it has …

Decades from now, people on Earth may be gearing up for an unprecedented celestial spectacle — the intentional smashing of an asteroid into the moon.

NASA is currently planning out an ambitious mission to snag a near-Earth asteroid and park it in a stable orbit around the moon, where it could be visited repeatedly by astronauts for scientific and exploration purposes. But the asteroid-capture mission may not end when astronauts leave the space rock for the last time. Seeing it through could require disposing of the asteroid in a safe — and possibly very dramatic — manner, experts say.

"You can be comfortable that [the asteroid] will stay in this orbit for 100 years or so," Paul Chodas, a scientist with the Near-Earth Object Program Office at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., said earlier this month during a panel discussion at the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics' Space 2013 conference in San Diego. [NASA's Asteroid-Capture Mission in Pictures]

"But if that's not enough, I think that, once you're finished with it and you have no further need of it, send it in to impact the moon," Chodas added. "That makes sense to me."

A bold plan

NASA announced the asteroid-retrieval effort in April. The plan calls for a robotic spacecraft to rendezvous with a roughly 25-foot-wide (7.6 meters), 500-ton space rock and drag it to a stable lunar orbit.

Alternatively, the probe could break a chunk off a larger asteroid; NASA is investigating both options. Either way, astronauts would then fly out to this transplanted rock using NASA's Orion capsule and Space Launch System mega-rocket (SLS), which are slated to fly crews together for the first time in 2021.

The mission represents one way to achieve a major goal laid out by President Barack Obama, who in 2010 directed the space agency to get astronauts to a near-Earth asteroid by 2025, then on to the vicinity of Mars by the mid-2030s.

Grabbing a space rock would also help develop asteroid-mining technology, reveal insights about the solar system's early days and give humanity critical experience working in deep space, NASA officials say.

"It provides a tremendous target to develop our capabilities and operation techniques for our crews in the future as we go beyond low-Earth orbit," NASA human exploration chief Bill Gerstenmaier said during the panel discussion at Space 2013.

Earlier this year, NASA asked the public and researchers in industry and academia to help them figure out how to pull off the asteroid-capture mission. The agency received more than 400 proposals in response, and it will discuss the top 100 or so during a workshop held Monday through Wednesday (Sept. 30 to Oct. 2) at the Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston.

You can watch a live stream of the workshop here on SPACE.com, courtesy of NASA TV.

Multiple visits

The first manned visit to the captured asteroid could come in 2023 or so, Gerstenmaier said. The timeline will depend heavily on the ability of researchers to find and characterize prospective target asteroids. (Not just any rock will do — the chosen object must be the right size and have the proper orbit and spin rate.)

The asteroid's manmade lunar orbit should be stable for about a century, researchers say, so crews could continue flying out to the asteroid far into the future. Such visits may include both government-funded research and exploration flights as well as efforts undertaken by asteroid-mining firms or other commercial entities, NASA officials say.

"We think we have a lot of options," Steve Stich, deputy director of engineering at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston, said during the Space 2013 panel. "We haven't really talked in detail about all those kinds of things that we can go do, but certainly we have enabled, by the way we have designed this mission, multiple visits to the asteroid."

Once those visits are done, NASA may decide to bring the asteroid down, slamming it intentionally into the lunar surface. The agency has never done this with a space rock before, but it does have considerable experience de-orbiting moon probes that have reached the end of their operational lives.

For example, the twin Grail spacecraft became part of the lunar landscape last December after wrapping up their mission to map the gravitational field of Earth's nearest neighbor.

Follow Mike Wall on Twitter @michaeldwall and Google+. Follow us @Spacedotcom, Facebook or Google+. Originally published on SPACE.com.

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This is why you smart people need to back up your blogs.

Don't make my mistake, say that there is gold in asteroids and the seafloor,
only to have your info stolen and destroyed, and NASA/other assholes profit

LOL

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[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

http://news.yahoo.com/government-shutdown-ground-nasa-almost-entirely-obama-says-230149073.html


Government Shutdown Would Ground NASA 'Almost Entirely,' Obama Says
SPACE.com by Tariq Malik, Managing Editor 1 hour ago
Government Shutdown Would Ground NASA 'Almost Entirely,' Obama Says.
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U.S. President Barack Obama gives a statement to reporters on Sept. 29, 2013 to discuss the looming government …

NASA would be among those federal government agencies to experience a near total closure if the threatened government shutdown becomes reality on Oct. 1, U.S. President Barack Obama said Monday (Sept. 30). But a government shutdown should not endanger American astronauts currently in space.

"NASA will shut down almost entirely, but Mission Control will remain open to support the astronauts serving on the space station," Obama said during a statement delivered from the White House.

There are currently two NASA astronauts living on the International Space Station. Veteran astronaut Karen Nyberg has been living on the station since May and is midway through a months-long spaceflight. First-time space traveler Mike Hopkins, meanwhile, launched into space on Sept. 25 to begin his six-month stay.

Nyberg and Hopkins are two of six crewmembers on the space station's current Expedition 37 crew. Italian astronaut Luca Parmitano and Russian cosmonauts Fyodor Yurchikhin, Oleg Kotov and Sergey Ryazanskiy. [Amazing Space Photos by Astronaut Karen Nyberg]

A government shutdown would begin on Tuesday (Oct. 1) if Congress fails to fund the federal government beyond the end of the current fiscal year, which ends today.