Ascension, Dolores Cannon and '5D': Splitting into two Earths

[Mandala]

I believe we are responsible for our decisions now. Be in the present. We do co-create our own future, and our karma returns to us. We are responsible for our karma. Recently, I have listened to some Dolores Cannon interviews and I find them interesting.

Around ~ 2012, she mentions the splitting of earth, I'm not totally sure of my personal buy-in, but I'm totally open to listen to her ideas. I have never thought of the theory that earth will split into 2 earths, with people of corresponding vibrations assigned to each earth. One earth with the higher positive vibration, and one with the lower negative vibration.

She has mentioned in other interviews that people may find people missing and comment, "She died without knowing what happened."

Does she conclude that some of us will die in order to be ascended beings, while those left behind,have no idea what happened to others? What do you think after viewing her work? This is only a 10 min. interview sample. Please pursue additional material on you tube.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlqwOEtX3-I&feature=player_embedded

[silverlightning]

I have listened to several interviews of Cannon, and she is very interesting. I have heard very similar stories from other channelers, clairvoyants and "prophets". Cannons words are not really revolutionary but very interesting that she gets it through hypnosis, and that she has been working way before the new wave age in the eighties came over us.

For example Almine has very much the same narrative, but in her version the events already have happened. The world split in two and some where left behind suffering all kinds of hardships and disasters. Yet a few years later events took place that brought the old earth and the new earth together again, and there no longer a world left behind. The people left on the old earth are now walking among us, I'm not shore if its' through incarnation or something else. Seeing the future is an alternative view and the narratives often take a dream like form, where the natural laws in place here on earth doesn't apply to a very large degree.

[Mandala]

Thank you for your input silverlightning. I do not know of Almine. Can I find info on the web?

[Mu2143]

Another wish full thinking , there is no earth split. there is press play and reset coming soon.
There are 2 choices you ether change or your soul will go some where else.

For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
In other words I know it is a unique time and it will not be repeated.

[Camilo]

http://youtu.be/8IKoS6Vzyvg (1hr. 12 min.)


The crew at Time Monk Radio interviewed past life regression hypnotherapist, Dolores Cannon, who spoke about the changing energies, the New Earth and signs of the New Earth, who will get left behind on 3D Earth, physical symptoms of ascension, becoming a Light Body, what happens to people who get left behind, removing karma, duality on the New Earth, gridlines, timelines and points of convergence, Nostradamus, free will, moving into 5D Earth, why we're skipping the 4th dimension, the waves of volunteer souls, earth changes, the overlapping of 3D and 5D, the sun's relationship with the earth and whether or not the afterlife is a form of the 5th dimension.

[Latti]

This interview is about a year old and has previously been posted, but it is still interesting and worth reviewing.

[JohnEAngel]

i find Dolores' work to be very interesting. one of her subjects during a session revealed that they were a Mayan in the past who had ascended to a higher dimension and then had come back as a wanderer. i believe it was also Dolores that said that the disappearance of the bees was due to their having crossed over. interesting but taken with a grain of salt for me anyhow.

[Anchor]

i find Dolores' work to be very interesting. one of her subjects during a session revealed that they were a Mayan in the past who had ascended to a higher dimension and then had come back as a wanderer. i believe it was also Dolores that said that the disappearance of the bees was due to their having crossed over. interesting but taken with a grain of salt for me anyhow.

Well its also observably wrong to say that the Bees have disappeared as there are currently plenty of Bees on my farm right now and I love them all.

No disrespect to Ms DC, but I think something has been a miscommunicated.

[Mike Gorman]

i find Dolores' work to be very interesting. one of her subjects during a session revealed that they were a Mayan in the past who had ascended to a higher dimension and then had come back as a wanderer. i believe it was also Dolores that said that the disappearance of the bees was due to their having crossed over. interesting but taken with a grain of salt for me anyhow.

Well its also observably wrong to say that the Bees have disappeared as there are currently plenty of Bees on my farm right now and I love them all.

No disrespect to Ms DC, but I think something has been a miscommunicated. This aspect of Dolores Canon's message i find difficult to come to terms with-I have had strange symptoms, but i do not think 5D is upon us-flesh and blood continue to exist-it just doesn't sound plausible to me.

[RMorgan]

i find Dolores' work to be very interesting. one of her subjects during a session revealed that they were a Mayan in the past who had ascended to a higher dimension and then had come back as a wanderer. i believe it was also Dolores that said that the disappearance of the bees was due to their having crossed over. interesting but taken with a grain of salt for me anyhow.

Well its also observably wrong to say that the Bees have disappeared as there are currently plenty of Bees on my farm right now and I love them all.

No disrespect to Ms DC, but I think something has been a miscommunicated.

Yeah...The Mayans didn´t ascend as well; Their society collapsed after a severe and long lasting drought.

Anyway, many of them survived but they never managed to rebuild their society to the previous magnitude. There are thousands of Mayan descendants living in Central America; You can ask any of them if their ancestors have "ascended".

[Maia Gabrial]

I'd say Delores is off her rocker. As I've been told, darkness cannot exist in the light and 5D is light. So, look at our world. Still wars, crimes and corruptions going on which are not frequency specific to 5D either. All the criminals are alive and well; and still doing fine screwing up this world. When all that doesn't exist anymore, THEN we'll be in 5D!

[Wind]

I can assure that you will notice difference when you're living in a higher vibration. It's nothing like this place, this Earth is hell compared to that paradise. We're still living in the same old 3D Earth. At least for now. :)

[The Royal Wizard]

I just wonder....how to tell the difference between 3 og 5'th dimension? Maybe the tale of a higher dimension works as a painkiller due to all the horrors in what we call 3D? How do we know that we not already are in 5'th dimension?

best reg.

TRW

[Joe Akulis]

I thought it was the cell phones that messed up the bees? :-)

[greybeard]

I thought it was the cell phones that messed up the bees? :-)

That is certainly the conclusion of scientific experiment.
What Anchor said about their being no scarcity of bees in his neck of the woods is im sure true.
However in UK main stream media had a documentary about the lack of bees and the inherent problem regarding pollination.
Basically we would starve without bee was the message.

Possibly Anchor does not have the density of mobile masts that parts of the UK has near him.

Chris

[gracieuse]

maybe there's a transition time between 3D and 5D... or we are left behind to help clean up the mess here in 3D :lol:

[hangel]

i find Dolores' work to be very interesting. one of her subjects during a session revealed that they were a Mayan in the past who had ascended to a higher dimension and then had come back as a wanderer. i believe it was also Dolores that said that the disappearance of the bees was due to their having crossed over. interesting but taken with a grain of salt for me anyhow.

Well its also observably wrong to say that the Bees have disappeared as there are currently plenty of Bees on my farm right now and I love them all.

No disrespect to Ms DC, but I think something has been a miscommunicated.

Thank you!!!!

So... That's where my bees went. Well, I hope they are happy where they are. I hope to join them soon.

Interesting thought.

[Anchor]

Maybe I ascended and my farm did to, which is why the bees are here :)

Mmmmm maybe I can spin this ....

I am Anchor: We communicate now, do you have any questions mortal?

[JohnEAngel]

i find Dolores' work to be very interesting. one of her subjects during a session revealed that they were a Mayan in the past who had ascended to a higher dimension and then had come back as a wanderer. i believe it was also Dolores that said that the disappearance of the bees was due to their having crossed over. interesting but taken with a grain of salt for me anyhow.

Well its also observably wrong to say that the Bees have disappeared as there are currently plenty of Bees on my farm right now and I love them all.

No disrespect to Ms DC, but I think something has been a miscommunicated.

Yeah...The Mayans didn´t ascend as well; Their society collapsed after a severe and long lasting drought.

Anyway, many of them survived but they never managed to rebuild their society to the previous magnitude. There are thousands of Mayan descendants living in Central America; You can ask any of them if their ancestors have "ascended".

i think that the notion of ascension has somehow grandly achieved the broad view of someone suddenly vibrating into a higher dimension. and of which i think that Dolores is of that same notion. however there are those on this planet, some of whom may be members of this forum, who have chosen a path dedicated to a practice of moral perfection. ascension in this case then would be that attainment to such a degree that they are no longer burdened by karmic debt. who can say with any certainty that any particular individual is incapable of such an accomplishment now or in the past? i apologize if my previous comment was understood that i concurred with her recounting.

[turiya]

Don't know about Dolores... but I find this is one of the best ways to ascension that I have found...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j8mr-gcgoI

turiya

[Youniverse]

It would be wise to reserve judgement, especially regarding phenomenon like ascension(whatever that really means), transitioning to 5D, and so on. Can any of us recall experiencing any of these before? So I wouldn't be so certain about whether this or that is happening right now. Or whether or not so and so ascended. How do we know? Maybe some did?

[Wind]

Can any of us recall experiencing any of these before? So I wouldn't be so certain about whether this or that is happening right now. Or whether or not so and so ascended. How do we know? Maybe some did?

I'm hoping that this is the transition time... Hopefully it won't last for too long. :)

[Hervé]

Oh, well... reposting this in case it opens a few more eyes about Dolores Canon, hypnosis and the bizarre results and interpretations:



On those ancient civilizations, there is a lot of “golden age” mythology that looks to some distant past when our ancestors had something wonderful that we lost. I am highly wary of those myths anymore, and wonder if there is any fact at all behind them. There have been many New Age myths about the Mayans and Anasazi ascending, advanced technological civilizations that are no more, how all that ancient stonework must have had ET technology behind it, and so on. As the toolset of anthropologists has improved and the efforts of reconstruction have become more multidisciplinary, many of those myths have evaporated. Epic droughts brought an end to the Classic Mayans and the Anasazi, and their declines were not pretty. As anthropologists learned to decipher the Mayan glyphs, the story that came clear was that the Mayans were like all the other ancient civilizations, with elites playing their games, with wars and politics centering around who got the benefit of the agricultural surplus, etc. The Classic Mayan phase ended in a bloodbath, as the city-states warred over shrinking resources. The Anasazi deforested their environment, which contributed to their decline. By the time of the collapse, they were importing logs from as far as fifty miles away, and cannibalism marked their end.


The lessons that our ancient ancestors have to teach us may mostly be cautionary.


[...]


Wade





In corroboration of the above paragraph:


BYUEnwxPVGk


udpC4P6-Rjo


the full set, in 5 parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bab6kDtFTJA&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYUEnwxPVGk&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB-N4Cz8N5o&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miDcdemaTac&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udpC4P6-Rjo&feature=relmfu

Now compare the above to this Dolores Canon interpretation of the same event from the data she collected from patients under "deep hypnosis":

http://the2012scenario.com/2011/05/delores-cannon-the-mayan-calendar-2012-and-the-new-earth/

The first few minutes of the above video from Dolores were enough for me to realize that something is amiss with her method and her results.

With no crops growing... the harvest was of the souls... what a way to ascend!

[Carmody]

Marching around in a circle, which is actually a slow upward spiral.

[Omni]

I'd say Delores is off her rocker.lol this made me laugh. I agree. The bees ascended?.......

[Carmody]

I would not simply say that she's off her rocker. That could be seen as presumptive projection.

For example, I can say:

"I Am."

Thus, it can be explained in that infinity of simplicity or..an infinity of complexity can be entertained, to try and 'explain'.

All written works and words of all humanity do not suffice, and those two words to not suffice.

Yet, to some, the simplicity survives and is not just adequate, but perfect..enough.


In that case or myriad unfolding of potentials, those few words to not convey what she is trying to say, it is a set of a few words taken completely out of context.

The bigger danger, it could be said, in any case and any situation... is being enraptured with the reflection -instead of getting on with it.

To flow without judgement as projection of the body/avatar.

Initially, such a proposal seems fraught with danger, as the 'feeling' of the body avatar..is that one will be hacked to pieces by 'other', if one does not bear (hold) a mental projection sword in kind... and parry the thrust that is felt and imagined to be in the reflection of words and world (all perception of the body).

The reality is quite different. It is only the body's construct and designs based in self preservation that die off, and cease holding the being in the avatar from being held captive by the window of the Avatar's dual direction data flow. The opening becomes greater, not less. The illusion of control dissipates, as it was never there. Control through freedom and a larger window of existence, is what emerges. Control of self and thus no need to project and narrow. No need to interfere (project) at or in other.

Point being .. is when one enters the bargain of 'I think', then it is practically a forgone conclusion that one is not.

Potential and possibility ends when projection begins.

[araucaria]

Dolores Cannon, like those she works with, is working on multiple levels. On one level she is helping her clients with their mundane problems, also their paranormal issues, and often the health issues at the interface of the two are being resolved as well; on top of this she is conducting her own broader investigation at a deeper level, whenever the subject is willing. Her method can be compared to channeling, except that in her case the channels number in their hundreds and she derives an overall message from these. In that sense, her analysis has all the power of a meta-analysis. Many unconnected witnesses are telling the same story.

Similarly the Avalon member can work on multiple levels, browsing one window onto a conspiracy thread, while feeding off another with a spiritual discussion etc., and he can do all this while eating a (possibly junk) sandwich for his physical sustenance.

The Maya also functioned on multiple levels. While on one level their civilization as a whole may have suffered from drought and war or whatever, on another they devised and/or used a highly sophisticated astronomical, architectural and mathematical system way ahead of their time. Among other anachronisms, back then and there they should never have been familiar with the zero symbol for example. We think we cannot be talking about the same people, and yet we are. We cannot possibly truly understand them until we resolve this paradox.

What I am saying is that if our ‘If…then’ reasoning – if x is true then y is false – is inadvertently applied to different levels as if they were the same, then that reasoning will be invalid.

I think we probably all do this more often than we think. I am sure being aware of this problem can avoid a lot of soul-searching regarding who is telling the truth and who is spreading disinfo.

Dolores Cannon has two things speaking in her favour: the therapeutic value of her work is surely verifiable and measurable. We usually accept her word for it, but as William James says, verifiability is usually an adequate approximation for truth. Secondly, more subjectively, she is probably the last person one would expect to be working for the CIA. I for one just don’t see it.

This means that if she is simply broadcasting disinfo from the matrix, then the matrix really has all bases covered, and the prospects are bleaker than anyone still fighting can have thought.

[ThePythonicCow]

What I am saying is that if our ‘If…then’ reasoning – if x is true then y is false – is inadvertently applied to different levels as if they were the same, then that reasoning will be invalid.

Brilliant :) !

[music]

I don't know Dolores, I really don't follow channelings or "ascension" matters per se, but what I can tell you is that personally, I have felt the difference between the confined existence of 3D, and the unconstrained existence at higher levels for quite some time now, and that the dichotomy feels like it is tending to critical mass. 3D existence seems to be expressed mostly in the form of surfacing fears, and these fears are cries from parts of myself that I have repressed along the harsh road of physical existence. 4D is a minefield of discarnate energy - we really need to get our houses in order before crossing it.

[Anchor]

This means that if she is simply broadcasting disinfo from the matrix, then the matrix really has all bases covered, and the prospects are bleaker than anyone still fighting can have thought.

My comment before this one was a joke.

I would say that Dolores Cannon work is very worthwhile.

She like any other will make the occasional error, or say something that out of a wider context is open to misinterpretation.

All material that is channeled or gained via a proxy that is hypnotized etc etc is subject to varying degrees of this distortion.

For the most part I have found Dolores Cannons material illuminating and consistent with my own personal framework of understanding.

[turiya]

This means that if she is simply broadcasting disinfo from the matrix, then the matrix really has all bases covered, and the prospects are bleaker than anyone still fighting can have thought.
My comment before this one was a joke.
I would say that Dolores Cannon work is very worthwhile.
She like any other will make the occasional error, or say something that out of a wider context is open to misinterpretation.
All material that is channeled or gained via a proxy that is hypnotized etc etc is subject to varying degrees of this distortion.
For the most part I have found Dolores Cannons material illuminating and consistent with my own personal framework of understanding.

It seems to me that what Dolores has found from her research also coincides with much of what others have said with regard to the upcoming changes, new energy frequencies that are incoming & most importantly how we choose to, or not choose, to make a shift in the ways that we respond to given situations. (Others would include, for example, Chris Thomas & Bashar)

Bashar - Predictions (2012 and beyond)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd826M9XZOs

turiya

[araucaria]

The time factor is always a major distortion. In The Custodians, she comes back after a couple of hours to the same contact, who meanwhile has done a whole years work. And conversely, a whole ‘UFO’ encounter can be squeezed in to a matter of seconds with practically no missing time at all. And the subsequent hypnosis session, sometimes years later, fits into that same time slot.

This is the source of much confusion over the idea of ‘ascension’ as being an instantaneous shift, compared with the more drawn-out affair that others are seeing. At some level, there is no disagreement. The hard thing to accept, for some, is that such a fast-forward along our current timeline is entirely feasible – which is not to say it is likely to happen.

[Finefeather]

Most confusion, by channeling mediums, is a result of their own not knowing...I wanted to avoid the word ignorant because it seems to have a negative effect on some people.
A little obvious fact that I have learnt...was part of a channeling group for years, in my day...not the channeler...is that the quality of the message is dependent on the 'level' of awareness of the channeler.

Is there such a thing as a 5D earth, as apposed to a 3D earth? is a good question and would obviously be dependent on what a 5D earth could be. I think I recall Raf tell us, some where, that all this talk about 'D's...as in dimensions and densities is all too confusing and is often used to make us believe the writer knows what he/she is talking about...I have to agree with him.

So...here is my understanding of this mystery...based on my OB experience throughout my life. Warning!...never believe a thing you hear, until you can prove it to yourself.

At the exact moment I leave my body, I stand next to my bed, just to orientate my self...I can see everything around me as if I was wide awake...I can walk through walls and fly...I experience no weight and can bring back bits of information, like the registration number of a car in the road outside my house...I think the same as I do in my body...I am not all knowing.
I then will my self to the place I wish to be, or sometimes I am met by friends, in my room and they direct me with thought...this thought communication is different here, because you are not aware you are thinking, like you can be aware of thinking whilst in the body...it's more of a knowing what they want me to do...and here is were the fun starts. From this state, I can move into many different states of awareness and in 45 years of work, I have never ever seen a sign saying..."You are about to enter the 5th dimension - please keep your language clean" :)

What does happen, however, is that you start to loose your sense of body as you become more aware of a larger sense of space. It's a bit like opening a camera lens...the wider it becomes the less you become aware of you as say...'John the Baptist'...and the more you become aware of just being. There is no real association, at a certain point, with your earth self...you forget who you are and seem to have no interest in what is lying on the bed in your room...until your call to return...when you regain this association.
Now the interesting think from an intention point of view...is what is really the answer to the question about 'D's. As we expand in this state, we loose the idea of having any argument or conflict with anything...everything starts to become a pleasure to behold and witness...and you feel light and in love and interested in everything and everyone. I have got caught up for what seemed like ages in total awe of the surrounding and people that you meet. It is like meeting a stranger and spending the rest of your day with them...like your first date with the girl or boy of your dreams :)

So getting back to earth reality...the "D"s are really misleading and have been used by us to compartmentalize our life. It has nothing to do with the place physically...it is to do with how we think, our attitudes and our intentions. Simply put...the higher your unconditional love is evident...the higher "D" you are 'operating' from. If you think true unconditional love is easy to fully realize...you may need to have a good honest look at your life.
This living in some state of "D" applies in the physical life AND in the after death life...there is NO difference. Crudely put...if you are a bad guy when you die you will be living in the area/"D" which your vibrational state permits and if you are a good guy, you will be living in the area/"D" which your vibrational state permits...you can go down easy but it takes effort and love to progress. Just remember one small thing...The Love that people talk about in the realms is not the soppy emotional love we see around us on this planet...it is a love of an intense nature, wanting to serve and give up your entire life, if necessary, for the upliftment of the human race.

Now there is a lot more to this than just this simple story I just told, and do not for one moment think that it applies to all because there are some very advanced souls entering earth space right now and they will be around for thousands of years...they are our brothers...who have gone on before us and are now answering the call...you will know them by their actions...do not become confused.

Take care
Ray

[Mad Hatter]

Hmm...

Dimension: A physical property, such as mass, length, time, or a combination thereof, regarded as a fundamental measure or as one of a set of fundamental measures of a physical quantity:

So for example we have...

1st Dimension = Left / Right
2nd Dimension = Up / Down
3rd Dimension = Backward / Forward
4th Dimension = TIME (from the above)

Why do so many describe time as "a minefield of discarnate energy " :p

[RMorgan]

The Maya also functioned on multiple levels. While on one level their civilization as a whole may have suffered from drought and war or whatever, on another they devised and/or used a highly sophisticated astronomical, architectural and mathematical system way ahead of their time. Among other anachronisms, back then and there they should never have been familiar with the zero symbol for example. We think we cannot be talking about the same people, and yet we are. We cannot possibly truly understand them until we resolve this paradox.

What I am saying is that if our ‘If…then’ reasoning – if x is true then y is false – is inadvertently applied to different levels as if they were the same, then that reasoning will be invalid.



Hey mate,

I´ll tell you what; Remember that the maker of the claim is the one who´s got to prove his point. So, is there any circumstantial, empirical, historical or even anecdotal evidence pointing that the Maya have ascended?

Big claims should be coupled with big proof, and you know that.

There´s historical evidence pointing that the Maya population exceeded the carrying capacity of the environment including exhaustion of agricultural potential and overhunting of megafauna. In this same period, a drought period arrived and was magnified by the way the Maya converted much of their forest land into cropland, which reduced evapotranspiration and thus rainfall, making that drought persist for about 200 years.

If you research a bit about Mayan history, you´ll see that there´s plenty evidence supporting this hypothesis.

Even then, the Maya didn't vanish, as the "Ascensionists" like to say; Their society persisted through their Postclassic and Colonial periods, when they finally were definitively subdued by the Spanish in 1697.

Now, show me one thing supporting the ascension hypothesis. There´s none, besides Dolores Cannon words, of course.

About what you call paradox, it isn´t much of a paradox. There are many historical and scientific evidences pointing that the Maya, the Egyptian and other advanced cultures shared a common ancestor, from who they inherited the biggest part of their scientific knowledge. We don´t know who this common ancestor may be for sure, though; History has limitations.

What truly is a paradox to me is people calling a society known for its brutality, which used to make human cannibalistic sacrifices several times a year and even made "olympic" games where the losers would immediately be "sacrificed" to their "gods", spiritually advanced. The Mayans weren´t spiritually advanced. Period. They were brutal and there´s plenty evidence to prove that.

The new agers like to portrait the Maya as a peaceful society; They couldn´t be more wrong about that.

For anyone interested, I recommend reading a book called The Rise and Fall of the Maya Civilization (http://www.amazon.com/The-Rise-Fall-Maya-Civilization/dp/0806103019), by John Eric Sidney Thompson. This article (http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2007/08/maya-rise-fall/gugliotta-text)is very good as well.

Raf.

[turiya]

Hmm...

Dimension: A physical property, such as mass, length, time, or a combination thereof, regarded as a fundamental measure or as one of a set of fundamental measures of a physical quantity:

So for example we have...

1st Dimension = Left / Right
2nd Dimension = Up / Down
3rd Dimension = Backward / Forward
4th Dimension = TIME (from the above)

Why do so many describe time as "a minefield of discarnate energy" :p

Throwing Nassim Haramein into the mix...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opydEsnyCDE&feature=share&list=UUJa8aq_MhmLJhrH41stacHA
So, from Nassim, we have:
1st Dimension = Left / Right = non existent
2nd Dimension = Up / Down = non existent
3rd Dimension = Backward / Forward = non existent
http://www.andrewklein.net/dma/images/plane_uvs/dimensionality.jpg
So, we are left with 2 non existent dimensions making up a 3D form. The 3D form created out of two other non existent forms can only yield a form being non existent itself. Then this non existent 3D form is placed within a "minefield of discarnate (non material) energy"... 4D.
mmm... I would say that all that one is left with is the only true reality that exists, which is one's own witnessing consciousness... i.e. the observer.

So, to add to the confusion/non confusion spectrograph, I submit a third term, one in which I would consider the most important term of the three.

dimension
density
reality

Not only can we talk about the several dimensions, densities, but also several different realities that one can exist in, and/or shift in & out of. To illustrate this further, I turn to yet another Bashar video. Bashar, in the following video, explains the possibility of shifting into different "parallel" realities. One would, of course, have to be keenly aware of how & when one would have made such a shift. A shift in one's pattern of thought (negative-positive), according to Bashar, is how this is accomplished. The woman asking the question(s), has no understanding of what she had done until it was explained to her.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY8DsEIUqHU
To further illustrate, here's another video whereby the practitioners are helping the patient to make the shift in reality. A "parallel" reality where the cancerous tumor of the bladder does not exist.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TesAxbcJjQc

turiya

[araucaria]

The Maya also functioned on multiple levels. While on one level their civilization as a whole may have suffered from drought and war or whatever, on another they devised and/or used a highly sophisticated astronomical, architectural and mathematical system way ahead of their time. Among other anachronisms, back then and there they should never have been familiar with the zero symbol for example. We think we cannot be talking about the same people, and yet we are. We cannot possibly truly understand them until we resolve this paradox.

What I am saying is that if our ‘If…then’ reasoning – if x is true then y is false – is inadvertently applied to different levels as if they were the same, then that reasoning will be invalid.



Hey mate,

I´ll tell you what; Remember that the maker of the claim is the one who´s got to prove his point. So, is there any circumstantial, empirical, historical or even anecdotal evidence pointing that the Maya have ascended?

Big claims should be coupled with big proof, and you know that.

There´s historical evidence pointing that the Maya population exceeded the carrying capacity of the environment including exhaustion of agricultural potential and overhunting of megafauna. In this same period, a drought period arrived and was magnified by the way the Maya converted much of their forest land into cropland, which reduced evapotranspiration and thus rainfall, making that drought persist for about 200 years.

If you research a bit about Mayan history, you´ll see that there´s plenty evidence supporting this hypothesis.

Even then, the Maya didn't vanish, as the "Ascensionists" like to say; Their society persisted through their Postclassic and Colonial periods, when they finally were definitively subdued by the Spanish in 1697.

Now, show me one thing supporting the ascension hypothesis. There´s none, besides Dolores Cannon words, of course.

About what you call paradox, it isn´t much of a paradox. There are many historical and scientific evidences pointing that the Maya, the Egyptian and other advanced cultures shared a common ancestor, from who they inherited the biggest part of their scientific knowledge. We don´t know who this common ancestor may be for sure, though; History has limitations.

What truly is a paradox to me is people calling a society known for its brutality, which used to make human cannibalistic sacrifices several times a year and even made "olympic" games where the losers would immediately be "sacrificed" to their "gods", spiritually advanced. The Mayans weren´t spiritually advanced. Period. They were brutal and there´s plenty evidence to prove that.

The new agers like to portrait the Maya as a peaceful society; They couldn´t be more wrong about that.

For anyone interested, I recommend reading a book called The Rise and Fall of the Maya Civilization (http://www.amazon.com/The-Rise-Fall-Maya-Civilization/dp/0806103019), by John Eric Sidney Thompson. This article (http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2007/08/maya-rise-fall/gugliotta-text)is very good as well.

Raf.

Hey mate
The first half of your post has nothing to do with me. I have told you elsewhere that I don’t do belief/disbelief, so why would I want to claim the Maya ascended? I have no opinion/interest either way and in fact I made no such claim. However, it certainly doesn’t strike me as nearly as far-fetched as it sounds to you (see below).

I said, regarding D. Cannon, that she did therapeutic work and her patients can surely give references regarding the efficacy of her work. Here you have some ‘objective evidence’ as to the quality of her work. I did not say she was infallible. In fact, if you read her writings, her own positions (those of her contacts) evolve over time, because she is constantly making new contacts who bring different pieces of the jigsaw.

Regarding the Maya, the paradox I refer to is the one that you describe. You cannot reconcile their ‘brutality’ with any advanced spirituality. Well, someone who can is an M. Div. (master of divinity), Douglas Gillette, in The Shaman’s Secret: The Resurrection Teachings of the Ancient Maya. This writer makes no bones (pun not intended) about the brutality of human sacrifice and yet he manages to see it in a positive light. You would need to read the book, but here is one quote for you:



The understanding that gradually dawned on me, the puzzle that was filling in and taking shape before my eyes, was that the Maya shamans had encoded in their art and writings a system for transforming the human soul into a durable being capable of defeating death and embracing immortality – a kind of ‘resurrection technology’. This technology included sacred objects, ritual practices, and achieving altered states of consciousness in which oneness with the Divine Being was possible. I also realized that the very act of my seeking was changing me. I was discovering something within myself – an iridescent core – and a more vivid, passionate, and courageous way of living. I found myself being drawn downwards into a macabre realm of shadows and, at the same time, released into a dimension of astounding peace and light. I was entering the frightening and miraculous world of the ancient Maya and beginning to see and hear at least a part of what they saw and heard in their ecstatic communions with their frightening and soothing gods.

[RMorgan]

Regarding the Maya, the paradox I refer to is the one that you describe. You cannot reconcile their ‘brutality’ with any advanced spirituality. Well, someone who can is an M. Div. (master of divinity), Douglas Gillette, in The Shaman’s Secret: The Resurrection Teachings of the Ancient Maya. This writer makes no bones (pun not intended) about the brutality of human sacrifice and yet he manages to see it in a positive light. You would need to read the book, but here is one quote for you:


The understanding that gradually dawned on me, the puzzle that was filling in and taking shape before my eyes, was that the Maya shamans had encoded in their art and writings a system for transforming the human soul into a durable being capable of defeating death and embracing immortality – a kind of ‘resurrection technology’. This technology included sacred objects, ritual practices, and achieving altered states of consciousness in which oneness with the Divine Being was possible. I also realized that the very act of my seeking was changing me. I was discovering something within myself – an iridescent core – and a more vivid, passionate, and courageous way of living. I found myself being drawn downwards into a macabre realm of shadows and, at the same time, released into a dimension of astounding peace and light. I was entering the frightening and miraculous world of the ancient Maya and beginning to see and hear at least a part of what they saw and heard in their ecstatic communions with their frightening and soothing gods.

Hi again my friend,

Man, this is dangerous territory, I mean, claiming that the Mayans murdered people for their own good, so they could "resurrect" in a better realm. It´s pretty hard to believe that there is a positive side in making human sacrifices.

Honestly, there´s plenty of evidence that the Mayan priests and kings used their superior astronomy knowledge to lure their people, which were deliberately kept in ignorance, into believing that they had connections with the divine. So, the masses definitively believed that the sacrifices were a good and divine thing, but the Mayan elite knew better.

I mean, let´s say, as an example, that they knew a solar eclipse is going to happen "tomorrow", so they tell people that one of their gods is going to eat the sun tomorrow morning. Of course, their prediction is going to be fulfilled, then people will believe they are really connected to god, after all, how come they knew that it was going to happen in advance? Then during the eclipse, they tell people that they need to kill a bunch of them to make god give up on the idea of eating the sun. Then, they "sacrifice" people and the sun goes back to normal. Then, people believe them even more.

As far as the Mayan experts understand this issue, there used to be an elite among the Mayan, which used their superior secret knowledge to keep the masses under control by giving themselves a deity status.

So, if you ask me to believe that the Mayans killed people because they were good guys and just wanted to send them to heaven, I would say, no way. The whole story of sacrificing people to please the gods was deliberately constructed to keep the power on the hands of a selected minority.

There´s archaeological evidence showing that such knowledge was kept secret and well guarded on restricted access areas, such as secret chambers in temples, and could be accessed only by high priests and members of their elite.

Raf.

[greybeard]

This is partly off topic but leading on from Mayan sacrifices.
Unfortunately nothing much has changed--- only difference is that those that sacrifice are volunteers---ie armed forces.
People are prepared to fight and die for the highest good---defending their country.
Unfortunately thats the same thing that's sold to opposing soldiers.
It could well be that the Mayans, who were sacrificed, took it to be a great honour to die in order to save their civilisation.

What Dolores has going for her, as has been said, is that there is a uniformity of information coming out.
She is just sharing what she believe to be true.
A lot better than saying we have to literally fight for something.

Chris

[araucaria]

It is a complex area Raf. I don’t have much to add at this point, mainly because the Maya and Dolores’ take on that civilization (which I haven’t actually read) was not at all the subject of my posts.

While obviously no one here is condoning violence of any kind, the whole difficulty lies in getting beyond black and white issues of good and evil, and a struggle to the death against forces we call archontic, satanic or whatever. We have to get beyond this primitive stage.

I’ll just quote one more passage from the same book and then I’m done with this.


Of course, there is no place for the Maya atrocities in our society. But for the Maya, human sacrifice did convey powerful truths about owning and integrating the shadow that dwells in the depths of all human souls. Like the ancient shamans, Jung warned that pretending to be all good leads to the crippling of our souls. For Jung this refusal to take responsibility for all of who we are and work with it to achieve a kind of fiercely benevolent wholeness is the greatest moral evil of all, for it leads to the unconscious acting out of our dark impulses. What we do not integrate within ourselves we will inevitably vent on others.

[music]

Hmm...

Dimension: A physical property, such as mass, length, time, or a combination thereof, regarded as a fundamental measure or as one of a set of fundamental measures of a physical quantity:

So for example we have...

1st Dimension = Left / Right
2nd Dimension = Up / Down
3rd Dimension = Backward / Forward
4th Dimension = TIME (from the above)

Why do so many describe time as "a minefield of discarnate energy " :p

Probably from experience?

See the first three chakras as analogous to the first three dimensions, see the main upper bodily chakras as residing in higher dimensions. The throat is the gateway to higher dimensionality. Where the parts of us that exist below meet the parts of us the exist above is the heart. We may say heart matters are analogues to traversing 4D - a meeting point, the crossover point of the infinity symbol, the eye of the needle, the finger of God allegorically touching the finger of man on the roof of a chapel. Lose contact with the heart and we become like shades, energy with no form but illusion, no function but self-pity and loathing disguised by aggression.

Seeing things in black and white may be a symptom of lower dimensionality (duality consciousness), but black and white are analogues of but two parts of the true trinity of female/male/magic. If this is unpalatable we can try pos/neg/neutral, mother/father/child or any other permutation influenced by our temperment and informed by whichever currency of cultural shorthand we tend to deal in.

Most people see things like these in transcendant experiences; for many, attaining this state requires much discipline and privation; for some the journey leaves them less fit for 3D existence upon their return than they were before they left; some go insane. For example, my understanding of the trinity came from a vision I received when I was seven (which I won't bother to relate here), but my visions started because I was severely and repeatedly sexually abused as a five year old. My take on that is: my awareness was forcibly returned to our true state, because the illusion had become problematic and destructive to me.

Nobody is trying to force anybody to believe anything, we are all here merely to share the pieces of the puzzle we have found along the way.

Edit: As an aside, we could also say that "time" is a human construct that acheives nothing except providing a referrant for the imperfection of physical reality (decay/entropy)

[Youniverse]

It's always so easy to judge. Upon further reflection you realize you are missing so many key points of information as to make any kind of informed assertion impossible. I personally couldn't care less whether the Maya ascended or not. I don't even really know what ascension means. I can however, make the choice to set myself or ME aside(while in the body) and just see what happens. To get over yourself and over the world is useful in my experience, but what do I know? I was sitting in church today imagining that with all that appears to be going on, different interactions taking place, there is only ONE in the room. We like to place so much value on what "I" the person is about. It's just content. The room full of people is one awareness looking at itself in different ways. What does this have to do with this discussion? I'm not sure. I just liked what finefeather was saying about consciousness. IMO we need to be a lot less worried about the labels we put on things(like 4th density or this or that dimension) and a whole lot more focussed on who it really is that's putting the labels on things. What I've been working on is being more aware of my tendency to say "Oh this is what that is" and ceasing to explore what I might be missing. As soon as the ego thinks it knows what something is it wraps it up in a little box and moves on to the next puzzle. This is a habit worth losing.

[Hervé]

With this ascension business, I smell manipulation... you know... Drake, Wilcock et al.

Here is an analysis that one might find to be applying to that ascension and multiple "D" business:



The disaster of manufactured consent in the Matrix (http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/the-disaster-of-manufactured-consent-in-the-matrix/)
by Jon Rappoport March 15, 2013
www.nomorefakenews.com (http://www.nomorefakenews.com/)

This article may seem to be about abstract theory, but it isn’t. It’s about how populations are viewed by psychological-operations specialists.

More importantly, it’s about how people are led to accept substitutes for their own highest ideals. The substitutes look like the real thing, but they’re actually very well drawn cartoons.

The most successful long-terms psyops are aimed at getting people to accept “good things, wonderful things.” Except, it turns out that these things magically evaporate and leave populations in the lurch.

Imagine for a moment that every crisis we now find ourselves in, every form of pollution and poisoning and every war and every mass destruction of life…was preceded and precipitated by…a psyop that looked like a golden destiny of fulfillment.

Okay. Let’s begin.

At some point, every intelligent human develops their own reality.

This reality isn’t usually a clear, articulated, and overall position. It tends to be a hodge-podge of linked ideas, preferences, feelings, principles, and morals.

Nevertheless, consciously and unconsciously, the person refers to it often, and uses it as a tool with which to navigate through life.

In the Matrix, there is pressure to have people connect their realities to each other. Why? Because groups can thus be created. Groups are easier to compromise than individuals.

We get the concept of hooked ideas. A hooked idea is one which will entice people to merge their realities into One. The hooked idea can be expressed as a slogan, a so-called meme, a principle. It is introduced by people who work psyops.

A psyop is a campaign to herd people into a place where their individual realities overlap.

For the propagandist, there is the eternal search for the good, better, and best hooking idea, the one that will collect the greatest possible number of people under one roof.

This has nothing to do with true progress or honest intent. It has everything to do with control.

Therefore, the actual content and substance and meaning of the hooking idea is irrelevant. A retired propaganda operative once told me, “If I could broadcast a piece of absolute gibberish from one end of the planet to the other, and have it picked up and consented to, I would do it.”

For a psyop specialist, the jackpot is a large group of hooked ideas that, taken together, change the world, and bring a billion or more people’s realities into one overlapping space.

Here is a current ongoing group of such hooked ideas. Before you read them, remember that the aim of such ideas is collecting people under AN IMITATION OF THE REAL THING.

Whatever meaning these hooked ideas have, they are not searching out people to move them into actual individual choices. No, the objective is to rope them under a fake banner that looks real.

“Help others. Help the needy. Raise up the needy. We’re all in this together. Greatest good. Greatest good for the greatest number. Humanity as one. Peace. Let’s all cooperate. The human family…”

This is only a partial list of the group of hooked ideas.

These ideas are transmitted to the global population through every means possible: ads, public service announcements, political speeches, movies, articles, books, the news, television shows of every type, the education system. It’s a blitz, and it doesn’t stop. All the angles are played.

The psyop calculation runs this way: the majority of people who buy in and connect their realities to other people’s realities and achieve overlap—will go passive and accept “the new humane society.” All these people are complete pawns.

The sector of people who buy in and thus share realities, collectively, and then DO something about it…these people will follow a prescribed path. They’ll join the approved groups and campaign for the chosen causes. They’re dupes.

The very small fraction of people who buy into the group of hooked ideas and think of them as genuine and real, and also DO something genuine and real and good about it, will create a manageable amount of disruption to the scheme and the objective—which by the way is a completely collectivist planet. The operative word here is “manageable.”

This same retired propaganda operative, who goes by the pseudonym of Ellis Medavoy (I interview him 28 times in one section of my collection, THE MATRIX REVEALED (http://marketplace.mybigcommerce.com/the-matrix-revealed-vol-1-cd-by-jon-rappoport-mega-info/)), explained this “psyop calculation”:


“The target of a terrific psyop is yearning and longing. That’s what I looked for when I was working: what people long and yearn for. Something unformed and undefined but very powerful. That’s what I wanted to tap into.

“If I could tap into that, people would buy in and surrender a significant part of whatever their personal world looks like. Because they want to believe they’re coming together with like-minded others. They’ll also believe the path laid out for them is correct and proper and wonderful. This is really a fake religion we’re talking about.

“A fake religion. It’s really for children, and most people turn out to be children. Give them a group of high-minded ideas, and they’ll grab on and think everything they’ve done up to that moment is a prelude to THIS.

“We [operatives] are playing a symphony, you see, and once they listen to the prelude, they’re hooked. They stay. They long for the climax, which doesn’t exist; not the way they imagine it. To them it’s all about ‘arrival in the promised land,’ as if that’s some kind of gift that’s wrapped up under the tree, waiting to be opened.

“We give them a fake god, a dead-end god. If they were once burning with authentic faith, we derail that and take them to another place…”
In truth, there is no such thing as the sum of all personal realities. That concept is a delusion that is foisted on people.

As I stated at the beginning of this article, each person has their own reality. It may be a hodge-podge, it may be borrowed to some degree, but it IS the reality of the individual. Each person has the opportunity, if he takes it, to expand that reality and make it more profound, on his own terms.

But once he becomes mesmerized by the notion of overlapping his reality with others, he’s in a whole different pew.

Here is another very important distinction: you and I and others could, for example, decide to start a business. We could cooperate in this new enterprise. We could decide on common objectives. We could be inspired to a tremendous degree. But we are still—each of us—carrying along our individual realities. That’s what gives us our core individual strength. That’s what allows us to contribute to the group.

And we’re aware of what we’re doing. We’re choosing to do it.

That’s quite different from falling under the sway of a psyop. That’s quite different from buying into hooked ideas on a emotional level. That’s quite different from accepting the generalized idea of an emotional and spiritual merger of our personal realities.

In the latter case, what is happening is the supreme irony: people are buying the idea that their freedom actually equals their merging.

It is exactly this “merging” that obsessed technocrats are proposing. They see it in terms of humans and machines “coming together.” (http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/02/16/can-you-trust-a-new-brain-with-an-iq-of-7000/) This is their envisioned promised land. The ability to instantly access trillions of pieces of information and do lightning-speed calculation and organize that information in countless ways is their version of personal revelation.

It’s their fake religion.

Humans and machines as One is, if you examine it, the sacrifice of personal reality.
Of course, technocrats don’t see it that way. But that’s what they’re doing.
Information is only one component of personal reality—and they’re blowing that up into a god.

There is a sequence at work here. First, with the development of the computer, people could search and find information. Now, they can have computers anticipate what the desired information is and provide it. Finally, people will be given—quite apart from their desires—the information they require, as adjudicated by experts.

This has less and less to do with personal reality.

Manufactured consent in the Matrix is a bit of a misnomer. Manufactured consent IS the Matrix, at the most profound level.

Whatever a person has as his personal reality is something to build on. You might say it’s the engine by which he can set sail and voyage. And during his personally navigated voyage, he enlarges and changes his personal reality. It becomes more powerful. It becomes more a matter of imagination and a life lived through and by imagination.

In this light, cooperation with others takes on a whole new meaning. The longing and obsession to overlap his reality with that of others fades in importance.

His immunity to hooked ideas becomes stronger.

The very notion of what personal reality is changes. It is no longer simply a fixed configuration set in concrete.

The psyop is aimed at disintegrating the personal voyage.

It is aimed at flattening the emotions and shortening the perspective and short-circuiting the fire in the soul.

Hooked ideas and manufacturing consent and overlapping realities and merging are the tools used to deaden life and invent the collective future.

In that future, each person becomes a mirror that reflects every other person. And it turns out that there is no substance at all in the trillions of rebounding reflections.

The endless overlapping deletes all content.

Personal reality and the personal voyage are the WAKING UP that breaks the trance.

A great deal of history of the human race, littered as it is with suffering and pain and war and hunger, was produced by competing psyops.

Each side was utterly convinced that its ideals were superior. What neither side realized was that everybody, on all sides, was accepting a psyop substitute of their own personal reality. That was the big switch.

Each person on each side had bought into a hooking idea that looked so good and so right and so wonderful.

And each person was operating on a false basis. Each person had, without noticing it, misplaced his own personal reality.

You could accurately write, on many gravestones: “I died for a psyop.”

In this day and age, political leaders have entirely given up the notion of personal reality, if they even understand what it means. For them, it’s all about psyop, because they are thinking about mass and number and population. They are looking for central hooking ideas—the very best they can find—and how to express them and transmit them as convincingly as possible.

The major differences between these leaders are to be found in how well they function as mouthpieces for hooking ideas.

Freedom? Democracy? The will of the people? A better future for all? Equality? Justice? These are merely concepts in search of ways to run psyops.

Jon Rappoport

The author of an explosive collection, THE MATRIX REVEALED (http://marketplace.mybigcommerce.com/the-matrix-revealed-vol-1-cd-by-jon-rappoport-mega-info/), Jon was a candidate for a US Congressional seat in the 29th District of California. Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he has worked as an investigative reporter for 30 years, writing articles on politics, medicine, and health for CBS Healthwatch, LA Weekly, Spin Magazine, Stern, and other newspapers and magazines in the US and Europe. Jon has delivered lectures and seminars on global politics, health, logic, and creative power to audiences around the world. You can sign up for his free emails at [COLOR=#000080][U]www.nomorefakenews.com (http://www.nomorefakenews.com/)

[Gardener]

Ray:----> [...Is there such a thing as a 5D earth, as apposed to a 3D earth? is a good question and would obviously be dependent on what a 5D earth could be. I think I recall Raf tell us, some where, that all this talk about 'D's...as in dimensions and densities is all too confusing and is often used to make us believe the writer knows what he/she is talking about...I have to agree with him....]

This is pretty much same page I am on Ray, it used to be realms and what not, and I agree that the D's thing comes from this simple geometric and scientific fact; we humans have a structure of 3 dimensions, length; breadth; depth; to move through any of these takes time, seems clear to me that this 3 dimensional structure of ours has to have time. Beyond that (or before) I would say its a continum of consciousness within which one can exist according to frequency resonance.

Dollores Cannon has conducted what certainly resembles a 'qualitative study' (not a meta study which involves quantitative data from a number of other studies) the emerging theories (often repeated data) may be simply archetypal artefacts of the psyche.

[araucaria]

After sleeping on my last post but one here (#33, interesting number), I want to make the following remarks.

Jung’s theory of integrating the dark side is very probably correct. Understandably however, a century ago, he would be seeing things from within the matrix, the penal colony or the mafia-controlled galactic sector (whatever one wishes to call it) where the darkness-to-light ratio is way above what it should be and highly unrepresentative of the broader picture.

Dolores Cannon in my view is often (the Maya thing being one probable exception) stepping out into the universe beyond, with her notoriously positive reports likely reflecting the overall situation where the viable dose of darkness is very much lower than what we are seeing here – more like seasoning than a major ingredient.

Clearly the integration model is breaking down, not being feasible on this scale. Jung’s example of the holy man creating a dark side on the scale of his holiness is being played out on the level of the whole Catholic Church and in particular at its head – not hypocrisy as it is generally called, but a full-blown Jekyll and Hyde personality. Amazingly (and I think encouragingly), its chief exponent, the outgoing pope, the holy theologian cum chief inquisitor, has survived to tell the tale.

Since the integration model is breaking down, what is being put in its place is a separation operation, namely a decanting or distillation process to purify humanity to a point where integration can function properly. Or perhaps it is more like a flushing mechanism, with all this cleaner energy coming in from outside. In this scenario, there is no need to be destroying any individuals who are too far gone. In this broader environment their presence will be diluted to a point where they are no longer harmful. On the other hand, new age ideas of ascension for the good and the destruction of the evil (this works both ways) remain within the old paradigm whereby religion is a hotbed of evil, prisons are where minor offenders become criminals, and hospitals are a major source of every kind of infectious disease.

You don’t need/want to shoot someone in order to make them behave. You put them in a situation where they are no longer in a position to misbehave. Unfortunately we are generally averse to this solution because it looks too much like a reward. But if we don’t, it is we who are misbehaving. The thing is, we no longer have any choice: the prisoners are burning down the prison and we have run out of punishments.

In actual fact, the integration model is not breaking down at all, it is merely operating on a broader scale. Any galaxy or universe that has been allowing prison planets and such has itself been malfunctioning in this regard, and that is why extraterrestrials are helping solve this problem: it is their problem too. They are not waiting for us to grow up, we are growing up together.

[music]

Jung’s theory of integrating the dark side is very probably correct.

Undoubtedly, from my point of view. There is no growth until we have taken the sh*t out of our garden, processed it, then returned it as fertilizer, not poison. If I would ask people to take one thing from my offerings here, it would be this.

Pre-empting here, it is sh*t because the facets of our dark side have been intentionally contaminated and tied to psychological and moral disfunction to disempower us. Don't be afraid of the dark, just because "they" tell us we should be.

[Mad Hatter]

Throwing Nassim Haramein into the mix...
So, from Nassim, we have:
1st Dimension = Left / Right = non existent
2nd Dimension = Up / Down = non existent
3rd Dimension = Backward / Forward = non existent
turiya

Hmm... Mr Haramein... really....

Perhaps he might like to take up the following challenge.

Aim a 44 magnum hand gun at his head.

Keep in mind this 'non existent' device if loaded with a 'non existent' JHP round fires that 'non existent' projectile at a 'non existent' 1200 ft/sec

Assuming he actually believes what you have quoted then he will have no problem pulling the 'non existent' trigger to prove his theory is correct, no?

Don't know about you but I'd pay good money to watch that as either way the result could only improve the depth of the gene pool.

[turiya]

As as experienced dreamer, I have come to understand that one tends to come to the point of committing suicide only if one's dream has become a seemingly unending nightmare for oneself. I don't see Haramein as having that bad of a time in the dream he has presently created for himself.
However, if one does find enjoyment in seeing the misery of another culminating in such an act of violent self-destructive desperation, then I would doubt that such an individual would have the wherewithal or the capability of making a successful transition, or shift, to a positive parallel reality - call it "new" Earth. One would be no better than those who attempt to find enjoyment in their efforts to poison, starve, rob, steal, bomb & depopulate the planet at present.

All that is left to say is 'happy chemtrails to you'.
Or, as Dolores Cannon has put it: "They will be left with the world that they have created."

~~~~~~~~~late edit~~~~~~~~~

BTW, here's more from Bashar, as it appears to backup Dolores Cannon's claim of a "new" Earth...
Bashar | 2012 The Splitting Prism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om1Rr3ra3yQ&feature=share&list=PLBDE29A8B66301582

cheers - turiya

[Anchor]

Throwing Nassim Haramein into the mix...
So, from Nassim, we have:
1st Dimension = Left / Right = non existent
2nd Dimension = Up / Down = non existent
3rd Dimension = Backward / Forward = non existent
turiya

Hmm... Mr Haramein... really....

Perhaps he might like to take up the following challenge.

Aim a 44 magnum hand gun at his head.

Keep in mind this 'non existent' device if loaded with a 'non existent' JHP round fires that 'non existent' projectile at a 'non existent' 1200 ft/sec

Assuming he actually believes what you have quoted then he will have no problem pulling the 'non existent' trigger to prove his theory is correct, no?

Don't know about you but I'd pay good money to watch that as either way the result could only improve the depth of the gene pool.


Hmm.. Mad Hatter... really....

You advocate the setting up and killing of physicists simply because you fail to understand the point he is trying to make?

Seems rather harsh to me.

Read what he says again - your selective quoting, does you no favours here. You have completely omitted the 4D part - which is the bit that gives substance to both the bullet, the propellant and the gun.

You ought to have more respect for people trying to explain complex ideas, rather than just take the piss. :)

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his semantic cap:

Touche Turiya and congratulations on such a beautiful put down...to wit :cool:...


However, if one does find enjoyment in seeing the misery of another culminating in such an act of violent self-destructive desperation, then I would doubt that such an individual would have the wherewithal or the capability of making a successful transition, or shift, to a positive parallel reality - call it "new" Earth. One would be no better than those who attempt to find enjoyment in their efforts to poison, starve, rob, steal, bomb & depopulate the planet at present.

What a pity you subsequently spoiled such an excellent display of semantic finesse with... :confused:


All that is left to say is 'happy chemtrails to you'.
Or, as Dolores Cannon has put it: "They will be left with the world that they have created."
cheers - turiya

...how very droll. :(

Such linguistic capability is usually a sign of intelligence but whether or not the possessor of such intelligence is unafraid of robust discussion and willing to be challenged on stated beliefs remains to be seen.

In deference to part of Anchor's subsequent comments...


rather than just take the piss.

upon re-reading my post(s) I can see how the translation of what I said through the filter of an internet forum format may have somewhat mangled the intent / humour with which it was proffered.

Anchor also wanted to point out that...


You ought to have more respect for people trying to explain complex ideas,

Although I would politely argue 'respect' is something which in my book is earned, I agree with the sentiment it is indeed difficult to explain complex ideas!!

As it seems some readers failed to grasp the complexity of what I was attempting to highlight, I will take this opportunity to break down that complexity by way of deconstruction in the hope of a more transparent dialogue outcome.


I don't see Haramein as having that bad of a time in the dream he has presently created for himself.

Well we seem to be on the same page here as Haramein certainly does appear to be a dreamer if one looks at his brand of physics and takes possibility vs probability into account.

Shock horror, yet another cruel sarcastic quip? Maybe. But as we shall see this goes to the heart of the matter regarding attempts at explaining complex ideas. The problem I see arising here is if those involved are simply singing to the choir or are seriously attempting to parley such information to a broader audience.

If it is the former then the entire point of this post is moot. :amen:

If it is the later then we have a problem of engagement and it is from that perspective that I took the stance I did with my original post with it's description of the dimensions understood by 90% of the planet and the obvious subsequent question arising from that understanding...

ie Why does the dimension of time always appear to be either misconstrued or re defined by those who talk about higher realms? :der:

I do sometimes wonder what the devotees of such philosophical matters think when they get a 'glazed eye' look from the target audience and whether or not they have even bothered to consider that their mismatching, deliberate or otherwise, of common definitions may actually be responsible for the self evident cognitive dissonance occurring in the average listener or reader as the case maybe.

Now it is perhaps my own fault that the subtlety of my original message missed it's mark but an analysis of the response(s) does lead to some interesting logical non sequiturs... :smokin:

In order to avoid the issue of...


selective quoting,

Here it is in it's entirety again... (minus my own which was at the start of it and the img/video links for the sake of brevity)


Throwing Nassim Haramein into the mix...
So, from Nassim, we have:
1st Dimension = Left / Right = non existent
2nd Dimension = Up / Down = non existent
3rd Dimension = Backward / Forward = non existent

So, we are left with 2 non existent dimensions making up a 3D form. The 3D form created out of two other non existent forms can only yield a form being non existent itself. Then this non existent 3D form is placed within a "minefield of discarnate (non material) energy"... 4D.
mmm... I would say that all that one is left with is the only true reality that exists, which is one's own witnessing consciousness... i.e. the observer.

So, to add to the confusion/non confusion spectrograph, I submit a third term, one in which I would consider the most important term of the three.

dimension
density
reality

Not only can we talk about the several dimensions, densities, but also several different realities that one can exist in, and/or shift in & out of. To illustrate this further, I turn to yet another Bashar video. Bashar, in the following video, explains the possibility of shifting into different "parallel" realities. One would, of course, have to be keenly aware of how & when one would have made such a shift. A shift in one's pattern of thought (negative-positive), according to Bashar, is how this is accomplished. The woman asking the question(s), has no understanding of what she had done until it was explained to her.

To further illustrate, here's another video whereby the practitioners are helping the patient to make the shift in reality. A "parallel" reality where the cancerous tumor of the bladder does not exist.

turiya

OK... assuming it is now legitimate to quote selectively from the above in order to make my point(s) a little deconstruction is in order...


Throwing Nassim Haramein into the mix...
So, from Nassim, we have:
1st Dimension = Left / Right = non existent
2nd Dimension = Up / Down = non existent
3rd Dimension = Backward / Forward = non existent

This seems like an attempt to establish that there are no dimensions based on the work of Haramein.


Then this non existent 3D form is placed within a "minefield of discarnate (non material) energy"... 4D.

This seems like an attempt to establish non existent forms in 4D.

Thus the definition for 4D in this discussion has been re defined from what is accepted by 90% of the population as being time to being = to a "minefield of discarnate (non material) energy"(sic)


So, to add to the confusion/non confusion spectrograph, I submit a third term, one in which I would consider the most important term of the three.

dimension
density
reality

Having established that the first 3 dimensions don't exist and density being a product of those must also not exist we are presumably only left with reality...:rockon:


Not only can we talk about the several dimensions, densities, but also several different realities that one can exist in, and/or shift in & out of.

I suppose we could talk about non existent dimensions and densities but I fail to see how, after using your logic to establish these as having nothing to do with reality, they play any part in shifting between the parallel realities you speak of.

I would draw your attention to the fact that for 90% of the planet the concept of parallel requires the existence of dimensions merely for it's expression.

You cannot have it both ways, are you trying to say, based on your previous logic, that parallel universes are also non existent or perhaps in this instance you failed to re define parallel for us?


A shift in one's pattern of thought (negative-positive),

Once again I would like to draw your attention to the non sequitur since for 90% of the population 'negative-positive' cannot be defined without referencing dimensions or have you yet again overlooked the need to carry out some form of re-definition?

All that being said it was my response to the above logic in a follow up post that seems to have been misunderstood.


You advocate the setting up and killing of physicists simply because you fail to understand the point he is trying to make?

You are free to construe it as such... from my point of view it was a case of questioning whether or not Haramein has the courage to back up what his stated beliefs are via a relatively simple empirical experiment.


You have completely omitted the 4D part - which is the bit that gives substance to both the bullet, the propellant and the gun

Well I would draw your attention to the following...


Then this non existent 3D form is placed within a "minefield of discarnate (non material) energy"... 4D.

I am truly puzzled how the 'substance' of which you speak can be derived given that...!!

Coming back to my post...


Read what he says again -

For you edification I'll translate the implication(s) imbedded in my argument to save you that effort

1) Hypothesis forwarded there REALLY are no dimensions (1 through 3 at least)
2) Logical deduction of the hypothesis matter does not exist
3) Empirical experiment to prove hypothesis proposed
4) Potential to increase the understanding of science based on the result.

Admittedly the proposed experiment methodology was a little harsh and maybe I could have toned it down to projectiles and testing for holes in blocks of wood but if by implication you are wishing to place restrictions on freedom of expression then that would be a slippery downhill path indeed.

Either way I stand by my original proposal that such an experiment would improve the depth of the gene pool which can only be a good thing. :cool:

Now having said all that if, as alluded to earlier, this is nothing more than a case of singing philosophy to the choir then where it was said...


one's own witnessing consciousness... i.e. the observer.

I might point out that as an eternal being with an infinity within which to pass the endless now I find the seriousness of some very amusing. :wizard:

I leave you good folk with one of my favourite quotes...

"I am responsible for what I say, not what you understand" Jorr Lundstrom

Namaste

[turiya]

Mad Hatter, thank you for your response.
And I am most glad to see that you had come back with your mad hat thinking cap securely fixed once again upon your skull...

But I must say, I am a tad bit disheartened by the shallow response that you have chosen to give as a rebuttal to what I had originally posted.
Just a reminder, the title of this thread is Dolores Cannon 5D Earth is Here!
In my latter response to you, I included, yet another video. So, in total, I had posted three other videos (other than the Haramein video) that, imo, gives support to Dolores Cannon's research, all of which you have chosen to ignore altogether. Two of the videos are Bashar videos, with explanation(s) of the existence of parallel realities. The third video was the disappearing cancer tumor video that, imo, empirically demonstrates a so-called three dimensional body transitioning itself into a parallel reality (with the help of three Asian practitioners), a parallel reality in which the physical body has no sign of there being bladder cancer.
Bashar Video 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY8DsEIUqHU
Disappearing Tumor Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TesAxbcJjQc
Bashar Video 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om1Rr3ra3yQ

Continuing...

Mad Hatter wrote:

I suppose we could talk about non existent dimensions and densities but I fail to see how, after using your logic to establish these as having nothing to do with reality, they play any part in shifting between the parallel realities you speak of.

Realities are many. The dream has a reality to the one that is the dreamer. While dreaming, the dreamer accepts whatever is happening as being real. It is not until the dreamer awakens does he come to understand that it was but only a dream.
Have you never talked, or given description, about one of your dreams to another individual? Had you found yourself failing in the attempt in doing so? When you fall asleep, and begin to dream, are you able to detect when this shift between the two realities has in fact occurred? From the waking state reality to the dream state reality? The body remains where it is, but a shift of realities does in fact take place.

Mad Hatter wrote:

I would draw your attention to the fact that for 90% of the planet the concept of parallel requires the existence of dimensions merely for it's expression.

Do two concepts ever physically meet? Two dreams ever have a physical meeting? When someone throws a word at you, does it really ever physically strike you? Does it make a wound if it is thrown maliciously? Or, does it simply hit & bruise the non physical entity called 'ego'. One can say it hurts, the moderators will even ban the one who threw the word. But where is the physical wound? Where is the mark upon the skin?

When words that are thrown, and you understand that they cannot hurt you, they cannot touch you, unless you allow them to touch you, unless you, yourself, accept the word that was thrown. Only when you have come to understand this, only then, have you successfully made a shift into another reality, a parallel reality, that, perhaps, 90% of people don't yet understand exists.

Language is quite limiting. Communication, in itself, often times results in miscommunication.

Best regards - turiya

[greybeard]

I would appreciate AmzerZo if you would have a look at this video
I dont have the knowledge to evaluate the possibility of any validity or not.
Ray did me the favour of listening but I wont prejudge it by giving his comments.

It relates to the thread in parallel in that Davis speaks of the possible past and future.

Chris.




David Sereda : Theoretical Physics & Spiritual Wisdom

Published on 3 Mar 2013

Author and ufologist David Sereda returned to the show to illuminate the correlations between theoretical physics and spiritual wisdom. He pointed out how the duality of human nature-- such as good and evil, is mirrored in the atomic structure with its positive and negative components. Yet, light, he said, is the only particle in physics that is non-dual or "single" even though it does encounter inertia.

Relating this to the spiritual, Sereda noted that Jesus said: "If thine ye be single, thy whole body shall be filled with light." He also cited the paper of physicist Paul Dirac, The Equation of the Sea of Negative Energy (view Don Hotson's article --PDF file-- on this topic), as first presenting the discovery of "Singularity." In such a place, duality, time and conflict no longer exist, Sereda explained.

While individuals might move towards the Singularity through prayer and meditation, he said eventually there could be a physics model for such a concept, which could allow spaceships to enter into it and travel to locations in our galaxy much faster than the current speed of light.

Biography:

David Sereda's first aspiration in life was to become an astronaut. In 1968, David and a friend witnessed a UFO along with hundreds of other witnesses. After this experience, David grew up as a UFO enthusiast never living in doubt of the phenomena that has swept the world since the Roswell incident in 1947. His interest in space, religion, philosophy, astronomy and science led him on his career in related fields. He has worked deeply in high technology, on environmental and humanitarian issues and as a professional photographer for over 20 years. He has studied world religion, science, physics and paranormal psychology for over 25 years.

Wikipedia
Theoretical physics is a branch of physics which employs mathematical models and abstractions of physics to rationalize, explain and predict natural phenomena. This is in contrast to experimental physics, which uses experimental tools to probe these phenomena.

The advancement of science depends in general on the interplay between experimental studies and theory. In some cases, theoretical physics adheres to standards of mathematical rigor while giving little weight to experiments and observations. For example, while developing special relativity, Albert Einstein was concerned with the Lorentz transformation which left Maxwell's equations invariant, but was apparently uninterested in the Michelson--Morley experiment on Earth's drift through a luminiferous ether. On the other hand, Einstein was awarded the Nobel Prize for explaining the photoelectric effect, previously an experimental result lacking a theoretical formulation.

Category

Education





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQkjryCflQU

[Anchor]

Your effort into your response does you credit.


upon re-reading my post(s) I can see how the translation of what I said through the filter of an internet forum format may have somewhat mangled the intent / humor with which it was proffered.

Thanks. You are right.


Admittedly the proposed experiment methodology was a little harsh and maybe I could have toned it down to projectiles and testing for holes in blocks of wood but if by implication you are wishing to place restrictions on freedom of expression then that would be a slippery downhill path indeed.

I'm not doing that. It is a twisted interpretation of a possibility if you ask me, but you are entitled to cast those aspersions on me if you want.


Either way I stand by my original proposal that such an experiment would improve the depth of the gene pool which can only be a good thing. :cool:

The notion of coaxing someone into removing themselves from the gene pool by shooting themselves is the trait of an elitist :)


I might point out that as an eternal being with an infinity within which to pass the endless now I find the seriousness of some very amusing. :wizard:

In the light of your recent epic response, this does make me grin - I am a big irony fan.


One thing is clear to me, and it is clearly getting in the way on this forum, is that a lot of words, especially:


Density
Dimension
Vibration
Manifestation
Love
Light


are all terms that now mean different things to different people.

It has become a minefield. It is very easy for a scientist (in the narrow and traditional sense of the word) to pick holes in the statements made by people who are using the terms in a


new-age
metaphysical
pseudo-science
stoner-philosphy


sense.

Scoring points is not really the goal. Getting to the core of it, is. Seeking the truth. We set ourselves a big challenge, and then we cant even agree on what freaking words mean. It is challenging, and I suppose seeing people making cheap jokes at the expense of people who try very very hard to get this explained frustrates me - not because I feel sorry for them, but because it seems to be designed to stomp on people trying to explain things - amidst all the challenges - and I am trying, in my own way to do the same thing. My problem seems to be is that I know things (a working knowledge, proven personally, experienced etc) that I have no words for most of the time. This forum helps me hammer out some of that stuff into words so I can share my take on stuff. What I know is not unique, I am not special, but I am on a trip which is helping me dig in to that place and excavate what may or may not be useful stuff.

All this is no excuse but I probably reacted inappropriately to your comments.

A few days ago, and I cant find it at the moment, I tried to explain a perspective where Density and Dimension could at least have some common ground between standard scientific meaning and metaphysical contexts. I know I didn't finish and maybe I cant, I didnt try yet, but now I lost the thread it was in. When I find it, I will continue there.

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons the cap of shame...

Well thank you both Turiya and Anchor plus others for putting up with my interminable idiocy. To be honest mention of Harramein appeared to push a hot button in me and thus to my shame my ego has somewhat unnecessarily de-railed the thread for which I apologise.

I thank all for taking the time out to help me recognise this and will attempt to be constructive instead of de-constructive when I next clamber on to my soapbox...

PS Turiya I will fit the Bashar material into my admittedly myopic world view when time permits... :p

cheers all

:focus:

[onawah]

This has been an interesting discussion, and on a subject I've spent a lot of time reflecting on, and have read with interest many different takes on it.
I don't have a lot to add, except what I feel about it, which in the long run, is what is most important to me, because what we think about this subject is so hard to put into words, and words are what the mind deals in.
But the words that most fit the way I feel come from two channelers, one named Suzy Ward and the other James Tyberonn.
(Not that I agree with everything they've said, but a couple of things make sense to me.)
And the element they both focus on a lot when dealing with the subject of dimensions and ascension, which has kind of been missing from this discussion so far, I think, though I haven't read it thoroughly as yet, is Gaia.
Gaia as a living being, who is in many ways the ground of our own being as humans.
And the theory being that she has recently moved predominantly into 4D from 3D, and has given herself permission, as it were, to move into 5D at her own pace, regardless of what humankind does, and has earned that right.
Which leaves the humans who draw the energy from her that allows them to live, in the position of having to adapt to the heightened energy level she is now vibrating at.
And so the race is on now to see who can adjust, and how quickly we can adjust to this new energy, especially given that we still have a huge collective 3D mess to clean up.
And a lot of revised thinking to do about how we go about living here, if we are indeed going to continue living on this planet.

Some people are already quite comfortable in 4D and higher levels and they will vibrate from those levels, filtering out as much as they can of the old 3d paradigm that will be crumbling more quickly as time goes on.
Some are disoriented but adjusting, some are going to have a really hard time because the level of control and exploitation they have become accustomed to just doesn't make sense and is not compatible to 4D energies, which will become increasingly apparent, and they will have a hard time staying grounded and functional.
And if they can't adjust, they will cycle off this planet when they die and incarnate on worlds that are more conducive to their current karmic needs.

It will take generations for all the people who remain on the planet to become fully adjusted and operational in 4D.
How long before Gaia emerges more fully into 5D will probably depend on how things go from there.
But my feeling is that there will be no going back because Gaia is stronger than all of us put together, and has her own path that she is following, which will not be allowed to be compromised by humankind.
And I agree that there are and are going to be more many highly evolved souls incarnating here to make certain of that.

The more we honor her and connect with her, the easier it will be for those of us who intend to remain and go with her on the journey.

[greybeard]

I was listening to Adyashanti who in humorous form said.

"If the pilgrims wandered into the promised land, without a change of consciousness what would they then create?"

The answer is

You can work that out for your self.

That was from a talk of quite a few years ago but its relevant to this thread.

Chris

[wolfgaze]

I haven't read her books but I've listened to a few of her interviews. Some of what she says I find interesting. I do believe that information can be ascertained from individuals under hypnosis. That being said, the problem I have with her information/messages is that she cannot explain the things she says will happen with any details or specificity. She will tell you 'what' will happen, but she cannot tell you exactly 'how', 'why', or 'when'.

I like to remain and open-minded as possible but I have a hard time conceptualizing how she describes that individuals will separate between dimensions and how some individuals will not know what has happened. How can that be? How would such a 'split' occur slowly and gradually as she offers???

I might lend more credence to her message if it was more in-depth and detailed and actually explained the causal mechanism and assumed 'science' of how such an event could and would transpire. As spiritually-minded as I am, I am still a logical thinker and need to know DETAILS about complex ideas and conceptualizations before I can really internalize them and feel there is 'truth' behind them. If there were going to be a dimensional 'split', I need to identify the causal mechanism and the sceience behind the process.

Now if she said a 'galactic superwave' (Dr. Laviolette's theory) was going to pass through the Earth and cause this or she said the light/energy from Supernova 1987A (Bill Donahue's theory) was going to cause this 'event', I might lend more credence to her message(s). I fear 10 years from now we may be having the same discussion.

:noidea:

[turiya]

Dolores Cannon Updated Interview Coast to Coast AM - April 4 2013 - Lost Knowledge & Aliens
Dolores talks about other dimensions, parallel realities, Convoluted Universe Theory Book 4, "The Three Waves of Volunteers & The New Earth", The Prime Directive, "We are existing in many dimensions at the same time."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9Jm9xMePTU


Uploaded on Apr 5, 2013
Date: 04-04-13
Host: George Noory
Guests: Dolores Cannon, Mark Lerner

Past-life regressionist and hypnotherapist Dolores Cannon specializes in the recovery and cataloging of "Lost Knowledge" and metaphysical information which she acquires by taking clients into a deep trance state, without interference from the conscious mind. We exist within multiple dimensions, and move between them without our conscious awareness, she said. Dimensions vibrate at different frequencies, and this is one of the ways that ETs travel-- they raise the frequency of their craft to exit (which to us looks like they are disappearing), or lower their vibration (become denser) to enter, she detailed.

Cannon believes that ETs seeded Earth and created humans, who were given free will to see how they would develop. A kind of 'prime directive' is in effect, so the aliens cannot directly intervene, and that is why they have been known as 'the Watchers' for eons, she remarked. To get around the directive, waves of people known as "volunteers," some who are aliens in human form, have been incarnating to Earth in increasing numbers since 1945 and the explosion of the atomic bomb, and are here to get humankind back on track, she reported. Some of these 'volunteers' are pure souls who are not burdened with karma, yet the first wave (now in their 40s and 50s) have struggled with the violence of the world, and feelings of alienation, she said.

Regarding alien abductions, Cannon explained that the ETs are simply monitoring their own 'volunteers,' and making sure their physical bodies can handle the stresses of Earth-- that's why the implants are there, to track them so they can help at any time. The hybrids they're creating are being taken to other planets that need DNA to adapt to various conditions, she continued. Interestingly, she declared that a hidden civilization exists underground on our planet, with entrances underneath various pyramids. The Hall of Records exists underneath the Sphinx, but it's protected by an energy field so only the right kind of person would be able to access it, she added.
North Korea in Astrology

First hour guest, astrologer Mark Lerner talked about world astrology and in particular the situation with North Korea and Kim Jong Un, whose chart indicates unpredictable value systems based on the position of Venus. This November will start Kim Jong Un's Saturn Return cycle (which happens every 30 years), in which he'll have to take on more responsibilities. This coincides with a Uranus/Pluto squaring which mirrors a time period in the 1930s when several dictators emerged, he noted.

turiya :cool:

[Mandala]

Turiya, Very good interview and nice summary. Thank you Araucaria for beginning the thread, I like Dolores Cannon.

I like that she says, ask questions and find out for yourself.

[Rania]

Thanks Camilo, very intresting

[Youniverse]

I was listening to Adyashanti who in humorous form said.

"If the pilgrims wandered into the promised land, without a change of consciousness what would they then create?"

The answer is

You can work that out for your self.

That was from a talk of quite a few years ago but its relevant to this thread.

Chris

The answer is more hell my friend.

[MariaDine]

Dolores C. on PLANET X :)
Planet Xtra 19th May 2013 - JAMES RINK and DOLORES CANNON


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpNq6VGePVs

JAMES RINK "SUPER SOLDIER"and DOLORES CANNON " HYPNOTHERAPIST"

James Rink

James is a meditation practitioner, researcher, author, and film producer. Through his Super Soldier Talk video series he has helped awaken humanity to the secret activities of the covert government. Uncovering topics such brainwashing, trauma, milabs (which stands for military abductions), and covert harassment; all of which he has had to endure his entire life as a product of Project Surrogate and Ultra MK Milab Super Soldier experimentation. His book Lone Wolf chronicles these projects.

He has also produced Change is on the Horizon which is a three hour video documentary covering a variety of topics delving into banking, finance, constitutional law and NESARA -- which is the National Economic Security and Reformation Act.

He now spends his time perfecting the "Neo Meditation Cube" which is a chi energizer that helps users relax during meditation so that they can integrate themselves. Thanks to the Neo James has been able to work around the programming and trauma he has been forced to endure and in the process help others do the same.

Dolores Cannon

Dolores career as a hypnotherapist spans almost 50 years and has taken her on an incredible journey along countless fascinating destinations. As the range of topics her work covers and sheer volume of original material she has produced places her in a category of her own, this section has been provided to give you insight into each stage of her career and how it has progressed over the years.

Read about her early days in hypnotherapy when she first discovered past life regression, learn how she developed and refined her own unique technique of hypnosis, discover all the captivating areas of research she has explored on her path and learn where her work is currently focused. Please select the section in which you have the most interested.

Planet X is hosted by Neal Atkinson who will be joined every week with various eXperts to talk all things paranormal, alien cover-ups and conspiracies and much much.

[vilcabamba]

I just don't see the 5 D earth. I see chemtrails, poisoning, zomby people, evil galore. I just don't see it.

I want to believe. But i can't help wonder if the new age deception is to make us believe that it's here already. So everyone turns away and fades into la la land. Just like how religious people wait for a savoir and believe they have to do nothing. They just want to dis-empower us to go back into la la land and just not try to wake people up. I'm sorry, but i think the new age movement is just like any religion. It's built on truth, but then the cabal try to push us into la la land. I saw Jesus waking up people and not just fading into la la land. Ghandi and all the great masters where constantly out there and not just pretending they weren't seeing what was going on. I think that I love the new age information but some times it goes off the deep end.

Here's some facts:

According to new agers the cabal was supposed to be all rounded up and put behind bars 2 years ago..did it happen???.... NO!

According to New Agers after 2012 it was supposed to be lollypops and fairies with the new energies and total bliss...did it happen??? NO!

So i'm not taking the new age candy!
yes, I'm fascinated with ETs, can't wait to meet my galactic family. See orbs and balls of light all the time. Can see energies and downloads. I understand the law of attraction energy and how it works. I love all the things about new age. But....when they start to push us into la la land a little too early, my B.S meter start going off. So, yes i love learning all these things but I don't think we are there yet, and i don't think things are happening as fast as new age gurus believe they are happening.

Remember, As above, so below. There are trickster ETs out there who have an agenda. Get the New Agers to sit back and take the candy and think everything is done and they don't have to work anymore. I got news for you all. We, lightworkers have alot of work to do. so dont' take the candy yet. There's a lot of people that need to wake up to help bring the vibration of the planet higher. If we were on the 5th dimension, then i wouldn't see the crap they put in the news, all the shootings, bombings, lies and a-holes that do such evil, i can't believe i decided to encarnate into such a sh**** bag planet with zombies who could give a fat arse about the suffering of others. I JUST DONT SEE IT.

My two cents.

FYI- people who are real face to face ET contactees with the plaeidians, andromedans and arcturians are not spreading the new age candy. In fact, if you look up the "star knowledge conference" ..you will see that the Pleaidians and Arcturians sent the native american indians out to start these confereneces to mingle with the other light workers so that we can wake up the people before the planet gets decimated. Not one believable ET contactee of the angelic races says to go to sleep and we are there yet. In fact, they all say get moving! The most important thing right now is waking up the indigo children. they are the meek that will inherit the earth. Us older lightworkers are their guides to help wake them up and put them on the right track. The new age deception will tell you to go to sleep. I say..B.S. If everyone started posting little bits of knowledge on yahoo and celebrity gossip sites, we could wake up the indigos. You never know, maybe jesus is here for the second coming and it could be someones little comment on a blog that awakens a master. Think about it.

[MariaDine]

And my 2 cents...found some Dolores C. books on line to read :)

HERE... «THE CUSTODIANS»

http://books.google.pt/books?id=TLpow9rsMUEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=DOLORES+CANNON&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ei=8OO9Ub32GqzG7AbUpYDQBA&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA

[seleka]

I just did a search for Delores Cannon to find myself here. I saw a few videos form her on youtube last week. Some were older it seemed. But I have never heard of her. I have been 'on the path' for many years, since 1999. What I am curious to examine (and perhaps there is a better thread for it to go that way) is if this is an example of different dimensional realities? In this thread, I ask- when did you first hear of her and is there a reason I may not have? Like did she just do private parties outside the US?...

[greybeard]

I just did a search for Delores Cannon to find myself here. I saw a few videos form her on youtube last week. Some were older it seemed. But I have never heard of her. I have been 'on the path' for many years, since 1999. What I am curious to examine (and perhaps there is a better thread for it to go that way) is if this is an example of different dimensional realities? In this thread, I ask- when did you first hear of her and is there a reason I may not have? Like did she just do private parties outside the US?...

Welcome karika.
Dolores is well known in most countries from USA to China.
There are other Hypnotherapists on U tube past life stuff. Brian Weiss--"Many lives many masters"
James Gilliland, Drunvalo Melchizedek, and others say similar to Dolores.
Happy finding.
Chris
There is a lot of it out there.

[seleka]

I just did a search for Delores Cannon to find myself here. I saw a few videos form her on youtube last week. Some were older it seemed. But I have never heard of her. I have been 'on the path' for many years, since 1999. What I am curious to examine (and perhaps there is a better thread for it to go that way) is if this is an example of different dimensional realities? In this thread, I ask- when did you first hear of her and is there a reason I may not have? Like did she just do private parties outside the US?...

Welcome karika.
Dolores is well known in most countries from USA to China.
There are other Hypnotherapists on U tube past life stuff. Brian Weiss--"Many lives many masters"
James Gilliland, Drunvalo Melchizedek, and others say similar to Dolores.
Happy finding.
Chris
There is a lot of it out there.

I have heard of every name on that list except hers. I know a lot of the names and have the books... but to turn on youtube one day and suddenly see all these videos from an entity that seems hand picked to offer believability....like a grandmother type, totally non threatening.... and to have never once heard the name? See to me, it seems this may be another one of those instances where my 'reality' crashed into another one.... now whether this is due to 'different levels of awakening' or a time travelling supercomputer that inserts people where needed is the pondering...
so, you seem familiar with her- what year did you first hear of her and how?

[greybeard]

I just did a search for Delores Cannon to find myself here. I saw a few videos form her on youtube last week. Some were older it seemed. But I have never heard of her. I have been 'on the path' for many years, since 1999. What I am curious to examine (and perhaps there is a better thread for it to go that way) is if this is an example of different dimensional realities? In this thread, I ask- when did you first hear of her and is there a reason I may not have? Like did she just do private parties outside the US?...

Welcome karika.
Dolores is well known in most countries from USA to China.
There are other Hypnotherapists on U tube past life stuff. Brian Weiss--"Many lives many masters"
James Gilliland, Drunvalo Melchizedek, and others say similar to Dolores.
Happy finding.
Chris
There is a lot of it out there.

I have heard of every name on that list except hers. I know a lot of the names and have the books... but to turn on youtube one day and suddenly see all these videos from an entity that seems hand picked to offer believability....like a grandmother type, totally non threatening.... and to have never once heard the name? See to me, it seems this may be another one of those instances where my 'reality' crashed into another one.... now whether this is due to 'different levels of awakening' or a time travelling supercomputer that inserts people where needed is the pondering...
so, you seem familiar with her- what year did you first hear of her and how?

Hi Karika
to be honest im not massively interested except that there is a spiritual content to what she says.
She has written many books and has been on the go a long time.
Do a search on Amazon books.
I think she is genuine,

My path is enlightenment as on this thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.&p=7764&viewfull=1#post7764

Best wishes
Chris

[Anchor]

What I am curious to examine (and perhaps there is a better thread for it to go that way) is if this is an example of different dimensional realities? In this thread, I ask- when did you first hear of her and is there a reason I may not have? Like did she just do private parties outside the US?...

The words dimension and density have become quite ambiguous when used to describe metaphysical concepts. For my part I rely heavily on the definitions given by LLResearch which is based on their work on Channeling and with their foundation work in Channeling the Law of One via Ra.

If you like I can provide references to that, but I am not really sure from your question what it is that you are after.

[Delight]

Reminded of her by this thread, I checked into the latest on Dolores Cannon and found this really strange new concept from her....Back Drop People. It seems to be a similar idea as an Organic Portal? There is not one evolutionary pathway.

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The Backdrop People in the latest “Convoluted Universe” book. (“D” stands for Dolores, and those are her questions to the hypnotized subject Suzette, who is “S.” Bolded sentences my own emphasis):

S: It’s like those people back at the cave, they’re just people. They don’t have a path. They’re just people. I had a path. That child had a path.

D: So if you choose an option, you don’t go off that path? Is that what you mean?

S: Yes. there’s just so many in this room where the crystals are that choose a life or have a path. The rest of the people aren’t sent here on a path.

D: What are their lives for then?

S: It’s like a backdrop.

That was a strange statement. I had never hard of that before.

D: What do you mean?

S: In a movie they paint something around the person so there’s a backdrop.

D: So the others don’t really have a purpose?

S: Right. They come to live, breathe, work and die.

D: Is there any hope that they might find a path, or are they a different kind of soul?

S: They didn’t choose. They’re just here to be part of the backdrop. They’re slaves. They’re slaves that go from one star system to the next and they are used as a backdrop.

D: Just to be there for these persons with a purpose.

S: Yes. For you to learn, to stay on your path, you have to have these other people in your way, living beside you, but you’re here for a lesson and they’re here for a backdrop.

D: Yes, but sometimes they create problems, to try to pull you off your path? (Yes) Is that part of their purpose, to distract you? (Yes) But when you’re in your body, you don’t know all these things, do you?

S: Not all beings are the light source. Not all light beings are the light source. They’re just here as energy to help us with our lessons, to create chaos, or to work or just to live. Certain beings go to learn the lessons for the light Source. It’s like you’re just a higher being.

D: Then the other ones, they don’t evolve to become higher beings?

S: No, they’re just energy. Like making a movie where they use extras.

D: But the ones on the path, the higher source, can they recognize each other out of all the mass of other people? (Yes) If we could do that, we wouldn’t let things bother us so much, would we?

S: That’s right.

D: If we knew they were there to add drama, I guess you would say? (Yes)

[…]

D: What is it you want Suzette to do to help?

S: Teach the young. They came here, too, but everything is going to happen quicker. They’re going to help sooner because there’s only….OH! My head hurts. (I gave her suggestions again.)

D: Why do they have to learn quicker?

S: Time is short because of these lower beings. All they want to do is hurt each other. They want to destroy each other. they want to destroy the land, which hurts the animals, the trees and the water. And in short, you have to get to the youth so they can spread the words and help heal the planet.

D: The adults are not going to be able to help?

S: The higher source adults. The others have gone from doing their jobs as backdrops to being angry. They want to be angry at somebody or something and all they want to do is kill…kill or hurt. (She winced in pain again.)

[….]

D: I’ve heard there are some that are not going to be able to be saved.

S: No. The backdrop people, but they’re angry.

D: The vibrations are changing. So the backdrop people will stay with the old Earth? (Yes) And that’s why they’re angry?

S: Yes. It’s like they’re acting and they got a script and they are playing this part, and their part is to destroy this planet.

D: they have anger about this? (Yes) But the planet cannot be destroyed, can it?

S: No. It can’t be. It’s just like when the dinosaurs died and the trees died, but everything came back to life. Not the dinosaurs or the trees, but they don’t know that part of it. But this is a beautiful planet. This is a beautiful home. Not as pretty as the crystal place, but….

D: Then the backdrop people will stay with the Earth going through all the changes, the catastrophe part?

S: Yes, they won’t survive. They’ll be gone. The others will move on. This new place will be so beautiful. The vibration will be so high and this will be a learning place.

D: That’s what I was trying to understand. It will separate into two parts?

S: Yes. It’s like two levels, and the old Earth will be on one level, and the new Earth will be on the higher level. But they won’t see each other, like they’re in two time warps.

[…]

D: So those that are left with the old Earth will live out their lives in a different way? (Yes) You said those people are not evolving at all?

S: Yes. They’re just like the backdrop, you know, like paint a picture and paint somebody on it.

D: So as the Earth goes through all the changes and catastrophes, there will be many people dying.

S: Yes, yes. there will be a lot of that. (Matter-of-factly.)

D: But they choose this before they come in anyway?

S: No, not so much choose. They’re kind of like slaves. They’re taken from one place to another to do whatever they need to do there because they are just energy.

(The following was Dolores’ own commentary after mulling this over and putting it together with other hypnosis sessions that have talked about the “two earths” and the upcoming changes and “sifting” that’s supposedly going to take place):

“It is now my opinion that these are the ones who will be left with the Old Earth, the Backdrop People because they do not have a higher vibrational purpose. They teach us lessons by their mere presence, but they are not intended to evolve further. These are the ones who will be left behind. The ones who realize their higher purpose and raise their vibration and frequency will travel on to the New Earth. There will be those who came in knowing their mission and had high ideals, but they let the negativity of the others pull them down and influence them. Those will also have to stay with the other energy on the Old Earth as they separate. This is why it is important for us to realize that it is only an illusion and find our role in the creation of the New Earth, and our part in helping others find theirs. And not be sucked into the angry energy of the Backdrop People and be stuck on the Old Earth….”

Carrissa Conti commentary (segment taken from her blog http://in2worlds.net/thoughts)
As far as the idea of a splitting earth, and a sifting, with those who evolve and move on and those who are left behind, the jury is still out on that one. It’s something I’ve heard about for years now, and I’ve made mention in my writings about splitting/diverging realms and such, which relates to that. (courtesy of learning about it from various other sources, and feeling like the concept has validity.) But I reprint all this because even if that aspect is not true, I still find the idea of “back drop”/background characters to be fascinating and important for consideration. Specifically what Dolores notes: “And not be sucked into the angry energy of the Backdrop People.”

For myself I know that for my entire life I’ve let myself get sucked down into the negative, angry energy of what could definitely be considered “backdrop people” letting them almost ruin me you could say. That’s why this resonates with me so strongly, and why I want to pass it along to others. I know that ever since my brother relayed what he did about the background drone puppets in 2001 I always kept it in mind as a possibility, but really, there’s just no way to prove such a thing. So I had intellectual knowing of a concept that could be very real, but which I was reluctant to truly implement into my daily life. Later I came across the concept of “organic portals,” which is very similar, though it’s not presented in the same way that the backdrop people are. But the gist is the same: a large percentage of the population who are basically a hive mind group soul, lacking individualization, and lacking their higher chakras and a higher self. They are incapable of spiritually growing and evolving, and don’t reincarnate the way individualized souls do. And they also apparently obtain energy from the spirited humans around them (usually through negative means) since they can’t generate it themselves. Hearing about OPs in 2002 was the first time I’d encountered material that seemed to even be remotely validating what Joe had relayed to me a year before. But I soon learned what a landmine that subject is. To say it’s “controversial” in metaphysical circles is putting it mildly. It provokes some very strong reactions in people that seem to be acting as rabidly barking gatekeeper dogs, is the only way to really put it. I can understand if someone is skeptical of an idea and/or decides, Na, this idea doesn’t work for me, I don’t believe it. But the rabid barkers seem to actually be trying to steer people away from even looking at the material, using any means possible to do so. (the big one being to liken anybody who even considers the idea of OPs as being the equivalent of Nazis who want to exterminate all the Jews. You see that comparison a lot, which is laughable. Talk about extreme leap of bad logic.) “Nothing to see here folks, move it along! Nothing to see! (insert rabid barking, ad hominem attack and other crazy bad logic to deter people away from that line of thinking.)

So I put the idea of such things back out of my head again, because again….there’s no way to prove such a thing anyway. I can’t see people’s energy, though I wish I did, and so I’m unable to know who’s who and what’s what around me via sight (Though I’ve met a few trustworthy people who do have the sight, and who’ve reported such things as non-human entities shadowing humans, and/or disguised as everyday regular people, as well as verifying that they’ve seen people with no auras and such, walking around amongst those who do have them. Which I think could be a whole other separate, though related subject in itself…..) I do a good job intuiting people, but I can’t “see” things directly. Then starting around last year I began revisiting the subject, when I began thinking “What if all those people who’ve pissed you off and dragged you down and hurt you and who you’ve invested bitter energy into for so many years…….weren’t even really real? O.o Seriously, what if they aren’t what you thought they were? What if you’ve been expending negative bitterness and frustrations and hurt feelings to the equivalent of an inanimate object?” So I’d been tossing that idea around, going back towards considering the idea again, and then I come across this in Dolores’ newest book in early 2012 talking about this exact same thing. Other than the OP’s thing, hers is the only other material that I’m aware of that delves into such a concept.

Most of us don’t have the sight and can’t know for certain if somebody is really an “OP” or a “backdrop person” just here to fill in the blanks and get in our way, as Suzette relayed, and create drama and chaos so we can learn by their mere presence. But you can certainly keep it in mind as a very likely possibility when thinking back on anybody who’s created problems for you in life, and/or creating trouble for you in the present. Knowing that the possibility exists means….there goes the negative energy you would have wasted on either nursing a past grudge or getting sucked into a current drama. Because seriously….would you sit there and get pissed at a rock, for instance? It’s a rock. What’s the point, right? Or in the case of a past grievance/hurt, just realize, Okay, I was dealing with someone who was acting like a robot. Got it. No need to harbor all this negative energy for something of that sort.”

We can’t change the “rocks” that got in our way in the past or do anything about the way in which we let them get the upper hand on us before, but we can make sure more “rocks” don’t get the best of us again. “hmmm…I could be dealing with a rock here…..Best to err on the side of assuming they’re a rock and not feed into this nonsense.” :D And most importantly, we don’t want anybody dragging us down into their pit. Can’t imagine anything worse than getting pulled off one’s path and permanently derailed….over a rock.

Just something to keep in mind, especially in these times and with whatever’s coming up around the bend……http://in2worlds.net/thoughts

[Carmen]

Cool, I like Delores Cannon. Enjoyed the presentation.

[Delight]

Cool, I like Delores Cannon. Enjoyed the presentation.

Here is more.....

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[Nanoo Nanoo]

Very cool interview !

i like it

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[loc333]

My fear is i that i can understand Delores and i think im a higher being...but am i just a lower density being and have a long way to go.

[greybeard]

I have to say that not everything that comes through hypnosis is necessarily true.
Being that "God" is in everything without exception, then regardless of any story, everything and everybody has the opportunity to realise their true Self.
Accepting that in the illusion of separation there are lower and higher frequencies, however the only reality is awareness.
All else is projection of mind.
We are at the movies.
As long as you know that we can be in this world but not of it.
It seems real because its meant to.
However we are moving to Christ consciousness --non-duality.

Chris

[Kalamos]

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[Carmody]

What I am saying is that if our ‘If…then’ reasoning – if x is true then y is false – is inadvertently applied to different levels as if they were the same, then that reasoning will be invalid.

Brilliant :) !

This would be a fine example of Godel's incompleteness theorem.

An incorrect viewpoint of an improperly realized question/situation, thus no 'potential answer set' appears that would seem to be moving in a functional direction.

Some folks do not 'get' (grok) what people like Dolores Canon or Micheal Newton, or the Dali lama, or whomever... might be saying..as they do not have the perspective to understand what the words mean. All the anger, frustration, rage, or derision in the world won't get them to the correct mental state that is required. Rather, it will push them further away.

[Snowflower]

I'm a very earth centered human and haven't ever been able to accept or believe much of anything Dolores Canyon says. For example, I've heard this "5D" idea thrown around and it's never really made much sense to me why 3rd density people think they have advanced enough to skip a billion years or so of 4D before jumping right into 5D. The La58w of One makes a lot more sense to me. With 8 density levels that can be "seen," - meaning that souls anywhere in that 8 density spectrum cannot perceive the infinity of densities beyond that 8th level.

There is another interpretation for remembered lives other than reincarnation and that is that we resonate with souls that have already ascended into other vibrations so completely that it feels as if we are remembering our own lives when we merge with their memories. That also makes more sense to me, because actual reincarnation feels like backwards movement rather than forward up a spiral. But then, that is restricting my imagination to a linear time progression, and perhaps it is an upward spiral movement to have a life in 2013 and then jump into a life in 2000 BC the next time around.

[truthseekerdan]

I have to say that not everything that comes through hypnosis is necessarily true...


Absolutely agree, to be enlightened is to realize that nothing is "true", but an imagination (illusion).



I'm a very earth centered human and haven't ever been able to accept or believe much of anything Dolores Canyon says...

...But then, that is restricting my imagination to a linear time progression, and perhaps it is an upward spiral movement to have a life in 2013 and then jump into a life in 2000 BC the next time around.

Regarding the so called "past, present or future" lives one can have, we also don't realize that "they" all happen at the same "time" actually. Time is also an illusion in this reality...

[anonymous]

my privacy standards have changed - 5/10/16 - apologies for the many edits of public comments

[araucaria]

[QUOTE=araucaria;652652]

Hi again my friend,

Man, this is dangerous territory, I mean, claiming that the Mayans murdered people for their own good, so they could "resurrect" in a better realm. It´s pretty hard to believe that there is a positive side in making human sacrifices.

Honestly, there´s plenty of evidence that the Mayan priests and kings used their superior astronomy knowledge to lure their people, which were deliberately kept in ignorance, into believing that they had connections with the divine. So, the masses definitively believed that the sacrifices were a good and divine thing, but the Mayan elite knew better.

I mean, let´s say, as an example, that they knew a solar eclipse is going to happen "tomorrow", so they tell people that one of their gods is going to eat the sun tomorrow morning. Of course, their prediction is going to be fulfilled, then people will believe they are really connected to god, after all, how come they knew that it was going to happen in advance? Then during the eclipse, they tell people that they need to kill a bunch of them to make god give up on the idea of eating the sun. Then, they "sacrifice" people and the sun goes back to normal. Then, people believe them even more.

As far as the Mayan experts understand this issue, there used to be an elite among the Mayan, which used their superior secret knowledge to keep the masses under control by giving themselves a deity status.

So, if you ask me to believe that the Mayans killed people because they were good guys and just wanted to send them to heaven, I would say, no way. The whole story of sacrificing people to please the gods was deliberately constructed to keep the power on the hands of a selected minority.

There´s archaeological evidence showing that such knowledge was kept secret and well guarded on restricted access areas, such as secret chambers in temples, and could be accessed only by high priests and members of their elite.

Raf.

Ok I have something VERY VERY interesting for you to look at… I posted it here. I was used as a human counterpart during a Mayan Ritual from the Dresden Album on a Solar Eclipse that matched MY, My Mother's and My Grandmother's birthday. The Solar Eclipse was overhead my location, New York. This was on my 8th birthday, May 10, 1994.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67205-Mayan-rain-god-ritual-from-Dresden-Codex----down-the-rabbit-hole-we-go-
Hi David and thank you for joining this discussion. Your quoting has got a bit mixed up but no matter. Raf Morgan has now left the forum, and I am one of many who miss him.

Just a tiny question for now, regarding your birthday. I understand the 5-1 connection, but in terms of dates, that would seem to point primarily to May First, which I believe is an important date. How do you tie May 10 into this picture?

Incidentally, I remember watching an eclipse myself on my birthday as a small kid, nowhere near total where I was though.

[anonymous]

my privacy standards have changed - 5/10/16 - apologies for the many edits of public comments

[araucaria]

'0' doesn't add anything in certain numerology calculations...

It had alot to do with the 'Saros' series eclipses... which that one was part of... anywho, just chiming in trying to push my story, as usual... lol, I just can't help myself...
Not sure I understand - a saros is 18 years and a few days. You won't get the repetitions you are seeing in your life.
For me here in France, May 10 was the day François Mitterrand was elected president in 1981, which may or may not be an important date.

Push your story as much as you like. But when you start telling fibs, you will be found out ;)

[tonius]

Regarding alien abductions, Cannon explained that the ETs are simply monitoring their own 'volunteers,' and making sure their physical bodies can handle the stresses of Earth-- that's why the implants are there, to track them so they can help at any time. The hybrids they're creating are being taken to other planets that need DNA to adapt to various conditions, she continued.

This made my day, if laughter really helps extend lifespan i became immortal today.

My opinion in a crude, direct,not complicated way.. : I think she is one of the best ET agenda pusher of all times, i guess the grandmother like figure helps the cause.

She just described the perfect zoo, i might as well put on a T-shirt with written on : ''Volunteerly'' and ''Proudly'' Implanted.

[anonymous]

my privacy standards have changed - 5/10/16 - apologies for the many edits of public comments

[araucaria]

'0' doesn't add anything in certain numerology calculations...

It had alot to do with the 'Saros' series eclipses... which that one was part of... anywho, just chiming in trying to push my story, as usual... lol, I just can't help myself...
Not sure I understand - a saros is 18 years and a few days. You won't get the repetitions you are seeing in your life.


Now I am confused... what do you mean 'you won't get the repetitions you are seeing in your life'?
What I meant was there was only one May 10 in the whole century when there was an eclipse, and there is unlikely to be another any time soon. So there is something I am not understanding in what you said.

[anonymous]

my privacy standards have changed - 5/10/16 - apologies for the many edits of public comments

[vilcabamba]

Dolores that said that the disappearance of the bees was due to their having crossed over.

Wow, so the dissapearance of bees is NOT because of chemtrails and GMO crops? Wow, i must be an idiot. They are gone b/c they crossed into the higher dimensions! Oh my, and autistic children are not autistic b/c of the mercury and prions in the vaccine, it's because they are higher dimensional. I am starting to think the New Age movement is delusional!

[greybeard]

Dolores Cannon is brought to mind by all this
The earth separates etc
Im open to all possibilities but I don't necessarily believe in them -- all hypothetical.
Chris

https://www.youtube.com/c/DoloresCannonPastLifeRegression/videos

[Bill Ryan]

The earth separates etc
Meaningless and irrational. It doesn't stand up to 30 seconds of logic or rational thinking.

Best to discuss this on this existing thread:


Dolores Cannon 5D Earth is Here! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57162-Dolores-Cannon-5D-Earth-is-Here-)

:focus:

[Open Minded Dude]

The earth separates etc
Meaningless and irrational. It doesn't stand up to 30 seconds of logic or rational thinking.

Best to discuss this on this existing thread:


Dolores Cannon 5D Earth is Here! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57162-Dolores-Cannon-5D-Earth-is-Here-)

:focus:

I agree but as an avid reader of her past life and ET life regression books I always understood this topic to be metaphorical referring to the schism in our society right now more intense than ever. She just misinterpreted what her regressed clients told her to be literal instread of symbolic.

[greybeard]

The earth separates etc
Meaningless and irrational. It doesn't stand up to 30 seconds of logic or rational thinking.

Best to discuss this on this existing thread:


Dolores Cannon 5D Earth is Here! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57162-Dolores-Cannon-5D-Earth-is-Here-)

:focus:

Everything is meaningless and totally irrational to me just now Bill.
I dont follow Dolores but a lot of people do.
Her "proof" is logical if you believe that hypnosis can reveal past lives.
The subconscious is aware beyond consciousness ability.
Who am I to say they are wrong?
A separation between the good and evil has happened before if you believe ancient Indian text and thats what Dolores claimed would happen
If similar happened now that would be an amazing 2020 October Surprise.
I will not hold my breath

Chris

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I agree but as an avid reader of her past life and ET life regression books I always understood this topic to be metaphorical referring to the schism in our society right now more intense than ever. She just misinterpreted what her regressed clients told her to be literal instread of symbolic.

That's right. It's not a physical separation of the earth, that's absurd. It's a spiritual/metaphysical separation - of humanity - that will in effect create two realities. Which is exactly what's happening.

[Ami]

In my opinion, one of the brightest, shiniest people on Avalon is Carmody. I ALWAYS read his posts & try to understand what he is trying to get across...sadly much of his contributions are just over my head, lol.

I thought I remembered him years ago saying that Delores Cannon's "Separating Earth" WAS possible.

I have tried a quick search through his old posts to verify my memory of this.

I found this something written on 22nd August 2011 07:38

And again something written on 9th January 2014 03:50

My apologies - I do not remember how to post quotes specifically but feel free to search those dates in the archives.

I do not wish to put words in Carmody's mouth but it seems to me that he did not think this subject was irrational. Hopefully he can weigh in as I don't want to misrepresent his thoughts.

This is said with the highest respect for Bill, I hope this is helpful to someone.

Due to my location I don't post often but know that I love you all <3

[greybeard]

David Sereda also explained in detail how it is possible for the earth to do what Dolores Cannon said
I posted a lot of his videos a way back.
As an aside -- whole civilizations have disappeared without trace, maybe they were washed of the face of the planet, who knows.
However on the face of it in this reality I agree with Bill.
No two separate earths.
Chris

[XelNaga]

Dolores Cannon is brought to mind by all this
The earth separates etc
Im open to all possibilities but I don't necessarily believe in them -- all hypothetical.
Chris

https://www.youtube.com/c/DoloresCannonPastLifeRegression/videos

Hi greybeard,

This reminds me of something I've read in the Ra Material, Law of One. I read it some 10 years ago, but if I remember correctly, Ra said something along those lines. There will be two earths, one where STO people will go to, and this one where STS people will stay. Maybe what he/it meant was two earths in two different dimensions, or something like that.

[Open Minded Dude]

As I said in the other thread: it is metaphorical about the 'schism' in society. I loved her books but this point always made me scratch my head and I still interpret it as a symbolic message and that she misinterpreted it and took it literally.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Is this idea so hard to grasp when Humans can also split into two - a physical body and an etheric body (and there are other 'overlays' beyond that)?

One of the key arguments against the idea of 'ascension' is that humanity en masse cannot just ascend en masse, because we're all at different levels. My counter-argument is, it's not humanity that will ascend, it's the EARTH that will ascend. After all it is an organism, a living being in it's own right. And spiritual evolution is available to all.

The theory holds that we as passengers on the earth have the opportunity to ascend with the earth into its next incarnation (expressed in a higher realm of vibration) if and when that happens, but only if we meet that vibration. Those that do not, remain behind (on the shed skin, the old lower frequency earth). Whether we do or don't comes down to our own spiritual compatibility, karma, and perhaps personal choice.

If this can actually happen with the earth, who knows. But I don't see any reason, as far as natural spiritual laws go (as best I grasp them) why it cannot. Whether this 'shift' of frequency is imminent, or a million years away, is another question.

[Wind]

This reminds me of something I've read in the Ra Material, Law of One. I read it some 10 years ago, but if I remember correctly, Ra said something along those lines. There will be two earths, one where STO people will go to, and this one where STS people will stay. Maybe what he/it meant was two earths in two different dimensions, or something like that.

Our planet is currently a third density planet moving into fourth density. We humans tend to be third density beings and during these times of harvest not many people are evolving into the fourth density due to lack of polarity in service to others and that plane of consciousness is not visible to us, except by choice and by rule fourth dimensity beings do not show themselves to us becase of our free will and they don't want to infringe it, unless they be the negative types. I suspect that even if a human being were to be ready to ascend to higher planes of consciousness they would not do that before dying in this physical form in this dimension. It would be their choice to live on that plane of density in their next incarnation. I don't think there would be any magical shift that would occur in one night here on planet Earth.


Density = density of consciousness - or density of vibration. Frequently used by Ra as an analog to what is currently thought of as “dimensions” in the Universe. The densities are organized into an eight-fold “octave” system, analogous to the musical octave and the visual light spectrum. Therefore the higher the density, the higher the level of consciousness.

The 3rd density being, having the potential for complete self-awareness, thus has the potential for minimum activation of all energy centers. The 4th, 5th, and 6th densities are those refining the higher energy centers. The 7th density is a density of completion and turning towards timelessness or foreverness.

RA: In the 4th and 5th densities the positive polarity functions without any need of the negative polarity and vice versa. It is to be noted that in attempting to sway 3rd density entities in choosing polarity there evolves a good bit of interaction between the two polarities. In 6th density, the density of unity, the 2 paths must take in each other. This is not difficult for the positive polarity which sends light/love to all otherselves. For the service-to self polarized entities it is difficult enough that at some point the negative polarity must be abandoned.

[Froddo]

I agree but as an avid reader of her past life and ET life regression books I always understood this topic to be metaphorical referring to the schism in our society right now more intense than ever. She just misinterpreted what her regressed clients told her to be literal instread of symbolic.

That's right. It's not a physical separation of the earth, that's absurd. It's a spiritual/metaphysical separation - of humanity - that will in effect create two realities. Which is exactly what's happening.

For me the planet in on the verge of separation in two different timelines. At a phisical level we are all living in timeline 33, but some people is moving their no-phical bodies to time-line 42 (that is the process that some people call Ascension). The Spanish author David Topi have been explaining and following this very complex process for years. (most explanations only in Spanis, I´m sorry...)

https://davidtopi.net/todo-lo-que-hay-que-tener-en-cuenta-sobre-el-cambio-de-lnea-temporal/

Thanks.

[araucaria]

I am reviving this thread in response to a post by Bill Ryan stating that the subject is nonsense that can be dismissed in thirty seconds – a post that has been moved from the October surprise thread in the time I have been gathering my thoughts. Rather confusing if I may say so….



The earth separates etc
Meaningless and irrational. It doesn't stand up to 30 seconds of logic or rational thinking.

Best to discuss this on this existing thread:

Dolores Cannon 5D Earth is Here!


Interesting as that half-minute expose might be, I am going to elaborate on the idea that, far from being nonsense, Dolores Cannon’s two-world theory makes a great deal of sense, being corroborated furthermore by mainstream science as expounded by no less than Michio Kaku in Parallel Worlds, the Science of Alternative universes and Our Future in the Cosmos (1999) and Hyperspace, A Scientific Odyssey through the 10th Dimension (2005). It also involves the notion of timelines, together with variants, used by the likes of Dan Burisch and Bill himself on this forum; most notably timeline 1 variant 83, as I recall.

To repeat something I said earlier on this Dolores Cannon thread, Dolores’ work was very efficacious hypnotism, and her grand theory was like icing on the cake – on a different cake, for her clients seem extremely satisfied with their un-iced cure. While that doesn’t make this other work automatically as effective, people who specialize in nice apples tend also to sell wholesome oranges. The best way to find out is to try them. There is more than one way to reach a given conclusion, which is how as a non-mathematician I was able to formulate what amounts to a mathematical theorem.



What I am saying is that if our ‘If…then’ reasoning – if x is true then y is false – is inadvertently applied to different levels as if they were the same, then that reasoning will be invalid.

Brilliant :) !

This would be a fine example of Godel's incompleteness theorem.

An incorrect viewpoint of an improperly realized question/situation, thus no 'potential answer set' appears that would seem to be moving in a functional direction.

Some folks do not 'get' (grok) what people like Dolores Canon or Micheal Newton, or the Dali lama, or whomever... might be saying..as they do not have the perspective to understand what the words mean. All the anger, frustration, rage, or derision in the world won't get them to the correct mental state that is required. Rather, it will push them further away.


Kaku’s vision is dynamic: not just planet and galaxies and universes out there, but at some stage these things die and so people need technology to move around, from a dying planet/solar system, galaxy, universe to a living one. His entire scenario is all about survival. However, while Kaku presents these deaths as being of old age, as we know from our own solar system, premature deaths from sickness or accident and even possibly crime all occur as well. I suggest this has something to do with choice, and non-choice. There may of course be other scenarios, but one will do for now.

As a Libran, I hate having to choose whether to eat an apple or an orange, even disregarding the idea of creating a universe with every choice I make. But I will usually choose one or the other, the alternative being to go hungry. Now imagine an ultra-Libran unable ever to choose between bacon ‘n’ eggs and cornflakes, roast beef and spaghetti Bolognese, ice-cream and tiramisu. They would soon die of anorexia. Hence unimportant choices can quickly snowball into a life-threatening situation where a big choice – maybe by somebody else – becomes unavoidable.

The same thing apparently happens on a bigger scale. Imagine someone witnessing a case of wrong-doing: they can blow the whistle or they can connive; they choose to do neither by disapproving in silence. Scale this up to a whole world over thousands of years: you will end up with an elite of wrongdoers going unchecked – no conspiracies involved, just one huge life-or-death choice that has become unavoidable. This is the sort of crossroads that defines what I understand by the timeline concept: myriad universes that can be catalogued together as going in a given direction, until they reach this or that cut-off point. While our myriad little apple/orange universes may be visualized as loose hay in a field, a timeline variant is like one bale of hay, and a timeline like one complete, composite haystack. When the weather gets bad, some bales in a rotting haystack may need moving to a healthy one, or an entire haystack may need rehousing under a barn.

When these large, potentially earth-shattering choices have to be made, they are the sum of all the tiny choices that were not made in a timely fashion, and which are resolved with a single yes/no answer to one overarching question, which is actually the same question that has been eluded time and again throughout the history of the given world. The outcome will depend on how far the patient has been allowed to deteriorate in persisting with a non-choice that amounts to a death wish, and on how far the patient is prepared to reject that death wish by choosing to live. However, unlike ordinary human activity where a conflict is resolved by the victor enslaving and effectively stifling the vanquished, the many worlds theory allows for a whole separate universe to be created to fit the “winners” and the “losers”. One unimaginably large living cell splitting into two.

Maybe the best human-scale analogy is battered wife syndrome, where the only viable solution, separation, is made so difficult if not impossible, by the perpetrator’s hold over the victim and/or the latter’s inability to make a clean break.

Whether one risks death alone, or as part of an epidemic, or as part of a pandemic, from the individual standpoint it is all the same personal tragedy. Similarly, whether we are talking about an event facing us individually, or our one planet, or our entire dying solar system, or something much bigger than that, for the most part we wouldn’t even have an inkling as to what level it reached. There is no way of knowing solely from our immature perspective the scale of what is going on. Dolores Cannon’s research seems like an experiential or empirical view of what might happen to Planet Earth when a delayed choice is finally made at planetary level. Michio Kaku goes much further in imagining, or theorizing, an entire universe tunnelling into another universe (Hyperspace, p.306), an event so rare – and yet bound to happen – that it has to be in an incredibly distant future – in 10^100 years! However, this incredibly distant future presupposes death from old age at every turn. But the parameter of widespread premature death suggests that it could equally well happen tomorrow if not sooner. From the perspective of eternity, it is happening “all the time”. Some of the dead universes he mentions could be very dead, the way Mars is a dead planet, or maybe the way the asteroid belt is a dead planet. Cities like Paris are built on catacombs and multiple graveyards: according to Kaku, quoting Sidney Coleman, the universe has the same foundations:

If Coleman’s purely mathematical arguments are correct, they would give hard experimental evidence that wormholes are an essential feature of all physical processes, and not just some pipe dream. It would mean that wormholes connecting our universe with an infinite number of dead universes are essential to prevent our universe from wrapping itself up into a tight, tiny ball, or from exploding outward at fantastic rates. It would mean that wormholes are the essential feature making our universe relatively stable. (Hyperspace, p.268-9), Hence while Kaku’s work describes cosmology on the largest scales, the Cannon view is only that same cosmological view on the smallest scale of our own backyard. The problem with Dolores Cannon would then be that she is not seeing the big picture! What we are witnessing could be one or the other, or anything in between. Kaku’s model begins with the primitive technology of planet-hopping using nuts-and-bolts spacecraft, working all the way up to tinkering with timelines and beyond. Bill Ryan himself talks about a timeline (variant) requiring a Hillary Clinton presidency from 2016-24, leading to political manoeuvring to get this timeline back on track, but to date being thwarted at every turn. What is happening here is a big choice being chopped back down into many manageable smaller enlightened choices of effective opposition. The other problem with Dolores Cannon is then that she is presenting a high-speed view of something that is going to take some time, and which therefore may not be recognizable as such. In the event of a split, both sides are going to see depopulation: a pandemic might be a handy tool to lend an air of normalcy to the whole process...

This overall picture suggests that Bill’s statement, “Meaningless and irrational. It doesn't stand up to 30 seconds of logic or rational thinking” also applies to this timeline material which he himself is presenting as valid and likely. It would also have to apply, of course, to the above 30 minutes (actually rather more) of what I like to think is rational thinking, and definitely not flat earthism…


Edit to add: for the sake of a bit of clarity, the thread referred to in my opening sentence is not this one, but another that appears to have died during ressuscitation.

[greybeard]

I think it is dangerous to paint oneself into a corner by stating that something is nonsense.
In science and astronomy things are ever changing.
Once upon a time to state that the earth revolved around the Sun would have had scorned heaped upon it.

This is why im fond of saying "May be so" I have on numerous occasions said something that later proved to be incorrect.
My intent honest and I dont mind admitting to error -- thats how I learn and grow.

The Earth splitting into two a metaphorical or a real possibility --I dont know.
Dolores had many clients saying more or less the same thing.

Theory one thing, fact another but for sure the population is being purposely being split at the moment.

Divide and conquer, never more true
Chris

[Mike Gorman]

This idea of 5D is deceptive, I think what Dolores e.t.c are getting at is a paradigm shift, a move away from materialism and strict rationality. Much in the way that Rupert Sheldrake is advocating
for a 'conscious universe'. Consider this little piece from Arthur Young, where he says 'we don't want more dimensions' - there is little evidence for a '5th dimension', but there is evidence of a shift in thinking.
YrthS-ZU8uo

[araucaria]

I think the post below and following post are relevant to this discussion:


The first 11-12 minutes of this video, posted by kfm27917 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?45202-kfm27917) here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109031-Humanity-s-Phase-Shift-Daniel-Schmachtenberger), could be ALL about Brexit. It's very, very good indeed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQRzxEobWco
This excellent interview comes as a necessary response to my last post, thank you Bill. Man is facing extinction, yes, but while there’s life there’s hope.

My problem lies with the analogies used. It is not an evolution, he says, more of a kind of metamorphosis. The individual caterpillar is dying, and about to become a butterfly, but how did the caterpillar turn from being a species that ate and then died into one that gave back? Extinction is dying taken to the level of a whole species, and what we need to do is INVENT the next step. But where do we begin? And so on. Or he talks about a phase shift. Water has three, or apparently four, phases (see “The Fourth Phase of Water, beyond solid, liquid, and vapor” by Gerald H. Pollack). These are states of the same substance, H²O, with different properties. Is that where we are heading? Has water always had this 4th phase? Does it have it yet; or are we waiting for its “embodiments”, as they say in the language of patents? And might it have a 5th phase?...

My own thoughts take me away from analogy to hard science – the problem being… I am not a scientist. With that proviso, let’s see how far we can go with this while staying on topic on a Brexit thread! Actually I have two science-based lines of thought I shall split into two posts.

In Dolores Cannon’s four “Convoluted Universe” books, instead of reverting to past lives, her clients regress to various states of being that seem to be out of synch with Einstein’s famous equation establishing a relationship between mass and energy. There might be an overall theory whereby E = mx, where x is variable, and so E = mc² would be just one formulation of that. To take an extreme case, someone recalls having been pure energy, and the equation breaks down altogether (E=m x 0, therefore E=0). Other ethereal beings would appear to express this equation with fairly low values of x. E = mc², where one unit of mass is equivalent to 90 billion units of energy, would be at the other extreme. In this familiar situation, with so much energy crammed in, not only do we have barely stable (radioactive) material making it easy to make bombs, but ALL matter is potentially explosive. Being ourselves also made of this matter, we are all literally human bombs, as waves of terrorism, large and small, are proving every day.

The most massive concrete example of where this leads lies in the research of the astronomer, Thomas van Flandern. After working on satellite debris, he took the orbits of all comets, asteroids etc. in the solar system, taking them backwards in time, only to discover that some ten million years ago, they were all in the same place, between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter, exactly where Bode’s law predicts a planet should be that we don’t have today. Did such a planet exist, only to explode? There is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence: flood myths, showers of live fish (see Charles Fort), the demise of Mars, which was presumably too close, and also to this day the life-threatening menace of near-earth asteroids. Since there is no natural explanation for this, we fall back on malevolent artificial use, involving knowledge of scalar physics and weaponry...

Hence my conclusion is that our human experience on planet Earth (the rest of the universe seen from here being some kind of optical illusion) is at the very limit of what is possible at the material end of the scale. Everything is volatile in the extreme, and it has nothing to do with humans per se, except inasmuch as we have signed up to test these extreme conditions. This is one reason why we are, none of us, doing too well, and need to refrain from criticizing anyone. We seem to be in one of the very densest of all possible universes. Although ourselves made of and using the lighter elements (carbon, oxygen…), we are mesmerized by the heavier atoms and molecules such as gold and diamond, uranium and plutonium. No wonder we have such a sense of doom and gloom: in one direction there is nowhere to go, just the void.

At this point, I will offer a lightish-hearted analogy of my own: the universe as one of many possible cocktails. Imagine energy is Evian water (E’) and matter is malt whisky (m’). A man may take half as much water as whisky: E’ = m’/2. He might give his old mother something weaker: E’ = m’ x 10; weaker still for the kids: E’ = m’ x 30. And if, heaven forbid, he puts a couple of drops in the baby’s bottle, you might get E’ = m’ x 90 thousand. So, reverting to Einstein’s equation, the universal cocktail contains only a homeopathic dose of the hard stuff, one part in ninety billion (c²): much less than the pollutants in the baby’s bottle. However, in my cocktail universe, man the materialist animal (m’’) sees only matter (m’’ = m’), so his experience as an alcoholic is like trying to drink himself under the table with 15 pints of this homeopathic preparation. This is not binge drinking, or a cocktail party, more like a meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous.

Scientists maintain that they can only detect 4% of the stuff of the universe: this is hopelessly optimistic: like the couple of beers in your fridge when a hard drinker calls by, it is not going to last! So, counter-intuitively, in the face of imminent catastrophe, all of a sudden the problem facing humanity becomes minute: all that is required is that we skip the occasional drink, or add some water, have a coffee instead. If we could get that equation down just a little bit, the world would be our oyster. On the other hand, we don’t want to bring it down too far, because the value of the experiment we are in – the tastiness of the cocktail, if you will – lies precisely in the amount of energy that can be squeezed into matter. The opposite positive analogy would therefore be lacework; it takes many hours to embroider just a square inch of mostly holes, but the end result makes it extremely worthwhile, provided of course one is able to appreciate the work that was put in – to many it will just look vanishingly small and insignificant.

What does all this mean in concrete terms? That we become – ever so slightly – angelic beings. If that is still too hard to understand or aim for, it just means being just a tiny bit nicer and more tolerant towards our fellow human beings – empathy. And feeling a tiny bit lighter, less depressed, less bogged down. If you have ever emerged from depression and wondered how things could have been so bad, you will know that it takes next to nothing. What changed? A little burst of energy and effort after the apathy and inactivity. Hard work is easy and rewarding with a little practice. The shift that is about to happen (if it happens) is that easy (and that difficult), yet so unbelievable…

…And yet so finely poised. The alternative of course is to stick with our current understanding of Einstein’s equation, solely as it relates to matter. What you have to remember here is that it applies not just to the destructive force of the bomb. What happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was much worse than that. The chain reaction did not stop with the bomb: it spread to the whole city centre; every building and human being was caught up in the process. People’s shadows were caught on camera when they were already gone; worse than vaporized, they themselves were turned into lots more destructive energy, as were the buildings. Each of us has this hugely powerful human vehicle we simply must learn to drive. Like trying to reverse engineer a UFO, we need to start by realizing it is powered by the mind.

They say this is a planet of choice. Amid UK talk of a second (third?) referendum, the only valid referendum is the last (first?): are we collectively serious about this human experiment, or are we just playing around? At the moment, the outcome may be too close to call. One more extension would be helpful, but we need to get this done!

[greybeard]

Edgar Cayce would be worth a look.
He was never wrong that I know of.
He maintained that the past future are written on the walls of the Great Pyramid.
In brief there was the fall -- then spiritual awakening --
One video below but there are more detailed ones.
Chris


John Van Auken on the Great Pyramid Timeline Prophecy and the Year 2038


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uswdDpzjooI

This has more detail


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48T4Z80qUfY

[Peter UK]

The proposition and the argument of the earth splitting has unfortunately got hooked on semantics as has been pointed out by various posts. I would say using the term splitting of the earth has probably been misleading although used in good faith.

It would be more accurate from a quantum perspective to talk about the creation of an additional earth, the two earths vibrating through a different resonance with each created according to the vibrational rates of the respected inhabitants. Essentially, what we have then is a version of the multiverse theory where the conditions have been created out of the intent, thoughts and desires of the individuals that form that particular collective consciousness of each earth. As has been referenced by others it's a question of frequency interpreted through dimensions and densities.

These ideas were well formulated previous to Dolores Cannon and I see her work as giving her own testimony to them.

Thinking about multiple earths in terms of a cosmic and quantum creation, this could very well be one of the most useful ways of considering karma from a collective and individual viewpoint.

[greybeard]

Whatever comes about or how it comes about, it would seem that it has, perhaps, come to the point where good and evil can no longer exist together.

The Hindu believe that God incarnates, as an Avatar, from time to time to remove evil, as in the Bhagavad Gita. (Krishna)
Divine intervention would be a good thing to my mind.

I had not realized the depth of evil, as in child trafficking and the amount of it.
I was kind of aware but perhaps did not want to know.
Not my personal experience.

onawah has been posting about it for a while and unfortunately I did not then enter into it.

Our current situation of being controlled etc.has brought evil of all kinds to light, to my awareness, particularly because I had a physic attack, with was extreem and frankly could have killed me if my heart was not strong.

If I needed convincing that evil was afoot then for sure this clinched it.
This probably happened because I have been posting and sharing a lot of videos contrary to the media fear propaganda.

People need to be aware that their children may well not become parents if they opt for any vaccine.
Depopulation part of the agenda.

So I would welcome any fair "Split" in the population.
The late Dr David Hawkins, when asked about any separation said, more or less, that those below a certain spiritual vibration would not be comfortable in a "Heaven on Earth"

A long post for me.
Chris

[Peter UK]

The problem with using a phrase like the earth splitting in two is that it implies and postulates from the start that there is only one physical earth, from a quantum perspective that isn't logical...

(think Spock) :)

or tenable.

The many worlds theory would account for the probability of more than one earth already being in existence and even that idea is inadequately expressed because there simply never was one solid, physical earth like object that everyone else is experiencing. The fact that we're all communicating here on this forum just suggests that there is enough of a common denominator at the moment for us to agree we have a shared reality. None of that is a guarantee that we will be sharing the same collective reality (Earth) tomorrow or at any other time.

It's not entirely removed from the notion of timelines which adds its own nuance.

There's great comfort in that idea if it's given due credence.