And then, there's silence...

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

Well, after literally hundreds of threads about December 21th 2012, I was expecting this forum to be very agitated by now, since the date has passed and nothing abnormal happened.

Instead, Project Avalon is silent...Sometimes silence can be more meaningful than words.

Ascension didn´t happen, a consciousness shift didn´t happen, the end of the world didn´t happen, and if some of you feel something different, you should consider the possibility of the placebo effect.

So, I´m really curious about what are you feeling by now. Do you feel frustrated?

If you do, know that it isn´t entirely your fault. You´re victims of a bunch of dishonest people who explored this date to generate revenue or to earn their fifteen minutes of fame.

However, these folks only made their ways out of anonymity because they had an audience, which includes you.

Anyway, personally, I see this thing as a great opportunity. It´s a good opportunity to review how your belief systems work, to stop being so naive and gullible.

It´s also a great opportunity to finally clean the alternative media and get rid of storytellers, opportunists and con men, who are destroying the alternative community.

It´s a great opportunity to focus on what really matters, which is how are we going to manage fixing our own world, all by ourselves.

Will we, as a collective, learn the lesson this time or will we fall for the next date in order to alienate ourselves from our real responsibilities once again?

So, what do you think? I would really like to read your conclusions about this issue, because these conclusions are extremely important to shape our future.

My best regards,

Raf.

[Arpheus]

Just living one day at a time mate,in high hopes that we will slowly see this world gradually change for the better for all of us,i believe these cosmic energies entering the planet now do not act on us instantaneously perhaps we will see more and more people being receptive to the ideas that we all share on forums like this?If we dont see anything happen gradually over the next lets say decade or so that will radically change the world as we know then perhaps it will be time to assume that there is no hope left and we lost in the end?But who knows i will keep the positive vibes coming and keep my head and chin up becuase i want to see a brighter and better future for my little one and all of us,i am sick of the cabal having the upper hand on everything they do!!

[ghostrider]

the ptb are running out of fear ammo, No Iran war, no rapture, no end of the world, just us and 16 trillion of debt , no budget and the year is almost over . sad. When one is ready to leave this world , nothing really gets to me ...it's all noise... meantime I'm just having fun...

[Tony]

Just think of all that wasted time and money spent on a speculations.
The Brave New World IS here, and we are standing right in it, up to our necks.
Just think of all that ""ascension"" arguing, it was totally pointless.
It is a distraction.

When's the next one due?

[ghostrider]

Just think of all that wasted time and money spent on a speculations.
The Brave New World IS here, and we are standing right in it, up to our necks.
Just think of all that ""ascension"" arguing, it was totally pointless.
It is a distraction.

When's the next one due?

ha ha ha ! well said.

[RMorgan]

Just living one day at a time mate,in high hopes that we will slowly see this world gradually change for the better for all of us,i believe these cosmic energies entering the planet now do not act on us instantaneously perhaps we will see more and more people being receptive to the ideas that we all share on forums like this?If we dont see anything happen gradually over the next lets say decade or so that will radically change the world as we know then perhaps it will be time to assume that there is no hope left and we lost in the end?But who knows i will keep the positive vibes coming and keep my head and chin up becuase i want to see a brighter and better future for my little one and all of us,i am sick of the cabal having the upper hand on everything they do!!

Hi my friend,

I believe this is the exact excuse the opportunists will try to push from now on.

They´ll say that that we´re entering a new age and that it happens gradually...The problem is that this "gradually" certainly has the power to make people complacently wait for such changes for the rest of their lives, while doing nothing to actually change the world.

Besides, there´s literally zero scientific or historical evidence of the increasing of the so called "cosmic energies". This cosmic energy increasing is always based on pseudo-science like the "photon belt", astrology and many others...People use scientific jargon to try to convince other people that their "theories" are valid, while in fact it´s all bullocks.

The Mayan calendar by itself is just a calendar. It´s about time to realize that. All myths created around it are just myths with no scientific or realistic bases whatsoever.

Raf.

[Kindred]

THIS is what I feel Will happen - just not in our 'expected' time frame. When this does happen, then the majority of the population will come to the realization that All is NOT as it appears. It is my Hope that this type of event will awaken those who have remained skeptical. The Electric Universe is taking it's time in revealing it's true essence.

413eOFL2ISU

In Unity, Peace and Love

[The One]

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/385620_137394636415374_986482724_n.jpg

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[RUSirius]

Hope is a contagious, extremely desired emotion, people, myself included I believe want to be hopeful, I think its quite natural. I never "believed" in 12/21, I did however wait and see as every other day in my life. Admittedly, I "waited/watched" a tad bit more than usual, but just a tad bit more with basically zero expectations. I too think this is a great opportunity to "cleanse" the B.S. artist out of the alternative media, I too noticed the silence. Where do "we" go from here? Well for me I stay the course that I've been on, planting, coming up with new ways of being self sufficient, and just thinkin about as much cool stuff as I can.
Jeff

[ghostrider]

THIS is what I feel Will happen - just not in our 'expected' time frame. When this does happen, then the majority of the population will come to the realization that All is NOT as it appears. It is my Hope that this type of event will awaken those who have remained skeptical. The Electric Universe is taking it's time in revealing it's true essence.

413eOFL2ISU

In Unity, Peace and Love

and in those days the sun shall be darkened and the moon turned to blood...( sumerian text translated by the King of England and his scribes I believe his title was James) ...

[RMorgan]

and in those days the sun shall be darkened and the moon turned to blood...( sumerian text translated by the King of England and his scribes I believe his title was James) ...

As usual, people skip all possible rational explanations and go straight to the most fantastic one...

Equipment malfunction...Nah...An asteroid or other object passing in front of the telescope...Nah...The sun went dark...YEAH!!

[SilentFeathers]

As I've said in several other threads, we need to focus more on whats really happening and that is in our face, not fairy tales...

Like our food, water, and air being poisoned (documented and happening now).

Insane behaviors and psychopathic "anti-human/anti-life/anti-Earth" actions (documented and happening now).

The theft of freedoms and even physical/spiritual entrapment and/or enslavement, and more....

Threats to basic living and our survival, etc.

These are just a few things that need corrections asap to secure the survival of our species (all Earth life etc) and our children's future, and so on.

[Dennis Jonathan]

12-21-12 or 21-12-12 was just another day on planet earth.

That does not deny it had any significance.

It is too early to tell what the next 26,000 year cycle will present in terms of visible difference.

To claim that there was no cosmic significance is simply an uninformed position.

Be at peace, trying neither to prove wrong or right the views of others.

Rather look within, and find the truth.

And for all those who expected the world to end:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/24/5y6ypypu.jpg

[Lazlo]

I was pleasantly dissapointed. I fully expected that some cult was going to put on windsuits and drink the kool-aid, or release sarin gas into the subway. And thank heavens, nothing of the sort happened.

[Kindred]

As usual, people skip all possible rational explanations and go straight to the most fantastic one...

Equipment malfunction...Nah...An asteroid or other object passing in front of the telescope...Nah...The sun went dark...YEAH!!

If you accept the presence and validity of large coronal holes, then the possibility of half the sun, or the Entire sun experiencing such an event en-mass, should not be too much of a stretch.

Perhaps the Sun wants a 'day off (or two)'? ;)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/04/big-bird-sun-solar-feature-nasa-sesame-street_n_1567381.html

In Unity, Peace and Love

[meat suit]

I am thinking that it is probably very old mammalian behavioral programming that makes people get sucked into DANGER predictions,
there must be vast areas in our brains for dealing with fight-run-prepare-survive behaviour, now largely surplus to modern living, these old programmes are probably flaring up at odd oppertunities, car traffic being the obvious one, with proper djungle action flaring up frequently....
the minute the virtual danger has passed, everybody goes into denial about it ever happening....

I am certainly sufficiently de-sensitised after all the elenins, 11.11ns, 12.12ths looming financial implosions, etc. that we had...

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I am scratching me head too, but my only prediction this week was earthquakes in Vanuatu and US west coast.

No large doom, just a few small ones it would seem.

But we have no way to know what was done IN SECRET.

for all we know some horrible sacrifice to commemorate the death of innocence happened last week/

isn't that enough to feel bad for...

[shijo]

Just think of all that wasted time and money spent on a speculations.
The Brave New World IS here, and we are standing right in it, up to our necks.
Just think of all that ""ascension"" arguing, it was totally pointless.
It is a distraction.

When's the next one due?. Yeh they were going on and on like there was no tomorrow.......

[spiritguide]

Silence is golden, noise is a vexation to the spirit. Our future will be built upon our heart strings according our heart's desires. Living in the now and manifesting the next moment of goodness to enjoy has always been there and will always be. Love always and discount false prophets.

:peace: Peace be with you!

[spiritguide]

Silence is golden and noise is a vexation to the spirit. Live in the now and manifest the next moment of good for yourself. The future we individually expect will surely materialize according to our will. Love all and shun false prophets.

:peace: Peace be with you in 2013 and throughout the age of Aquarius!

(Sorry for the double post, message still the same.)

[Swan]

Hi Raf,

Actually, I did feel "something" :) And yes it may well be a placebo affect.

I wasn´t really expecting anything in the outer world to change ( although I did get some water containers just in case...which I couldn´t be bothered to fill).

I always thought this would be an inner level shift. And it was for me.

[baddbob]

Im waiting to hear from people like Patrick Geryl and others and see what they have to say now. I know somwhere theres a BIG sale on end of the world gear.
All of Patrick Geryl videos have been "removed by user"
2012 New Predictions
http://www.howtosurvive2012.com/htm_night/impre_02.htm

[Carmody]

Big things, that are going to change the way things are done, and how they happen,and what reality is,..in order for them to not disrupt structure to the point that the structure fails....these things have to be gradual. Slow. easy. And to appear on the horizon as an indefinable blob. That which is on the other side of the coin, tends to appear just as indistinct. the realities are that shifting of an entire group of 7 billion necessarily has to happen slowly and carefully.

Not many will notice OR understand, at first..but the groundworks, the formation of their reality..will slowly change.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17872-The-Question-of-Lithium--Alchemy-dimensions-shapeshifters-aliens-existence-reality..-&p=604738&viewfull=1#post604738

I do not think that it is self serving to say that there is a considerable amount of useful information in that thread.

Driving a car, reading a forum, watching TV, buying food, going to work...nodding a hello to neighbors, all that is life, not evolution. Evolution is a slow moving critter. Otherwise it will tear apart that which is attempting the evolution.

[baddbob]

Oh yes are we still waiting on 3 DAYS OF DARKNESS ?
NASA has predicted 3 days of darkness — a 'total blackout' on earth Dec. 23-25, 2012 — due to an 'alignment of the universe' during which the planet will 'shift dimensions' and we will see a 'brand new world.'

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/errata/ss/Nasa-Predicts-Total-Blackout-Dec-2012.htm

Waiting For the End of The World - Elvis Costello

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[gripreaper]

Look, nothing happened, but I sure was ready!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/22/article-2252051-169D3A4E000005DC-944_634x420.jpg

[Deega]

Hi Raf, great of you to share your thoughts on December 21th 2012, and I will add a few remarks and questions. I have said here (Avalon) that I didn’t believe something would occur on that date! But I felt that there was something interesting with the Mayans, extraterrestrial, like what we have seen on History Channel, we could certainly say that these people were highly intelligent.


‘’since the date has passed and nothing abnormal happened’’, we unfortunately don’t know what could have happened far away in the Cosmos don’t we..?, and if something so happened, only time will tell unfortunately! Our Solar System have crossed the Galactic plane, will it have a particular effect on the Electromagnetic Forces that surround our Solar System, our Science will tell in time.


‘’Anyway, personally, I see this thing as a great opportunity’’, hmm!, we are alive, our soul, spirit is divine, the opportunity have always been there, why should it be an opportunity now, if we didn’t do things to benefit from what we are.., we have been in lost I would think.


‘’It´s also a great opportunity to finally clean the alternative media and get rid of storytellers, opportunists and con men, who are destroying the alternative community’’, Raf, please tell us what, how, when do you expect we should do what you are saying, difficult thing, the PTB are extremely stable in their footing, a very interesting goal but it’s the what, how, when that interest me.

As I have often read your interesting Treads and Posts, you like realistic and scientific evidence to conclude rationale. But the thing that I find difficult is the fact that we don’t know much about the Sciences (Physic, Chemistry, biology, etc) of the Universe, even our world, we don’t know much about the mysteries of our deepest oceans. We don’ t know much about the center of Earth. The Scientific World (what is actually researched) has a long way to go in the nano-world of human body.

There is so many things we don't know, so making rationale (on what we know) may also be misleading because of all the unknown surrounding us, don’t you think..?

All the best to you Raf!

[RMorgan]

Im waiting to hear from people like Patrick Geryl and others and see what they have to say now. I know somwhere theres a BIG sale on end of the world gear.
All of Patrick Geryl videos have been "removed by user"
2012 New Predictions
http://www.howtosurvive2012.com/htm_night/impre_02.htm

Hey mate,

I guarantee that we´ll hear all sorts of pathetic, maybe even hilarious excuses about Dec 21th, starting next week.

For now, all 2012 guru´s websites are suspiciously quiet. I guess they are taking some time to brainstorm about which kind of excuse will be more convincing.

Raf.


Hi Raf, great of you to share your thoughts on December 21th 2012, and I will add a few remarks and questions. I have said here (Avalon) that I didn’t believe something would occur on that date! But I felt that there was something interesting with the Mayans, extraterrestrial, like what we have seen on History Channel, we could certainly say that these people were highly intelligent.


‘’since the date has passed and nothing abnormal happened’’, we unfortunately don’t know what could have happened far away in the Cosmos don’t we..?, and if something so happened, only time will tell unfortunately! Our Solar System have crossed the Galactic plane, will it have a particular effect on the Electromagnetic Forces that surround our Solar System, our Science will tell in time.


‘’Anyway, personally, I see this thing as a great opportunity’’, hmm!, we are alive, our soul, spirit is divine, the opportunity have always been there, why should it be an opportunity now, if we didn’t do things to benefit from what we are.., we have been in lost I would think.


‘’It´s also a great opportunity to finally clean the alternative media and get rid of storytellers, opportunists and con men, who are destroying the alternative community’’, Raf, please tell us what, how, when do you expect we should do what you are saying, difficult thing, the PTB are extremely stable in their footing, a very interesting goal but it’s the what, how, when that interest me.

As I have often read your interesting Treads and Posts, you like realistic and scientific evidence to conclude rationale. But the thing that I find difficult is the fact that we don’t know much about the Sciences (Physic, Chemistry, biology, etc) of the Universe, even our world, we don’t know much about the mysteries of our deepest oceans. We don’ t know much about the center of Earth. The Scientific World (what is actually researched) has a long way to go in the nano-world of human body.

There is so many things we don't know, so making rationale (on what we know) may also be misleading because of all the unknown surrounding us, don’t you think..?

All the best to you Raf!

Hey Deega,

That´s exactly my point!

We don´t know practically anything about what´s happening outside Earth!

Therefore, people who claim to know about "cosmic energies", "galactic alignment" and this sort of things, don´t know anything as well.

Their claims are 100% made of unfounded speculations, but somehow they´ve managed to convince a lot of people that they were right.

Raf.

[Freed Fox]

Bitter?

It's one thing to be happy about the lack of catastrophe, or even seeing phony, self-proclaimed gurus get their comeuppance. Then there's thinly-veiled schadenfreude.
Advocating practical, realistic approaches to our problems is just fine. But practice what you preach while you're at it and don't sh** all over the expectations of others, especially when they were well intentioned.

[RMorgan]

Bitter?

It's one thing to be happy about the lack of catastrophe, or even seeing phony, self-proclaimed gurus get their comeuppance. Then there's thinly-veiled schadenfreude.
Advocating practical, realistic approaches to our problems is just fine. But practice what you preach while you're at it and don't sh** all over the expectations of others, especially when they were well intentioned.

I love you too man!

By the way, there´s that old proverb that says - Hell is full of good intentioned people.

[Freed Fox]

'The road to hell is paved with good intentions', actually
But they also say that hell is a fiery pit, a lake of fire. Clearly so much to gain from these traditional bits of 'wisdom'.

[Carmody]

In order for evolution to come for us all, it is going to come from a corner and way that is unexpected and gradual.

Like comfy chairs, pillows and what not, 'no one expects the Spanish Inquisition'.

I listed the article about '500 mathematically provable and 'usable' states of matter now being 'on the table of science as realities'.

that is BIG. HUGE in fact. But it will take TIME to creep into our existence and awareness. Thankfully so.

That few to none will recognize the significance of it.

At first.

Then........ . .

[Chester]

The fastest (and perhaps only) way to accomplish a true, positive change in this world can likely occur and occur rapidly if

a.) there are enough folks who truly want positive change in this world and

b.) enough of these folks apply Ghandi's suggestion that we all "be the change we want to see."

Quite simple IMO and, in fact, this approach has proven true in my own personal experience of my own world experience during this lifetime.

I wish that more folks would get down to this simple truth (my opinion only) so that the world my children grow up in is indeed a positive, fully enjoyable experience as it can be.

Love to You All, Chester (good thread Raf)

[Freed Fox]

RMorgan, I apologize for my hasty message. I did not mean to attack you in any way. That didn't come from a place of aggression toward you but rather, I think a sympathy for those who are probably feeling let down or disillusioned by the great and dramatic changes they wanted to see happen.

Believe me, I haven't lost a dime to any of these 'would-be messiahs' who are peddling their wares via books, dvds, and what-have-you. And like you I'm glad that they'll lose a lot of their steam as their deceptions are revealed and their predictions prove untrue.

I'm just abit entrenched in negativity at the moment. I'm really lucky, in many ways. One of which is that my own disillusionment to the things I held to be true has already occurred. I'm also aware that we have to be prepared for our expectations to fall flat.

The thing is, I expected the course moving forward with this perspective would become clear. Years later, however, I still feel just as lost as ever.

The Serenity Prayer is one of my favorite actual bits of wisdom;

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.

If I focused only on myself, the decision would be much more simple. There's a way out. But I have met so many who continue to suffer. Working class people for which every day is a struggle. I want to help these people. I've thought about going into politics, into activism, but my heart is not directed to any specific cause. When the problems seem so immense and widespread.

In my country, for instance, the consensus at the top is now, apparently, 'corporations are people'. And yet corporations like Hostess can essentially fold their hand, publicly admitting that they've failed, and yet they simultaneously award their executives million dollar bonuses. A pat on the back for fumbling the ball. Meanwhile all of the employees who worked on the factory lines go home empty handed and have to start from scratch.

That's just a drop in the ocean of racial prejudice, gender inequality, massive deception...

I've learned already that dwelling on this negativity in itself accomplishes nothing. Yet here I am, hijacking your thread, and for what?

Again, I apologize.

[Wind]

This 2012 prediction was just too good to be true and I bought it, like many of us.

The thing is, I just don't want to slide into pessimism again... Why? If you look at the world now, it's really hard not to feel just sorrow and anger. Most of humanity is not ready to wake up and we will repeat all the pain and suffering due to karma as long as we are fully able to love and forgive each other. It may take hundreds of years unless we destroy ourselves before that.

I'm really not sure that what does it take for humanity to make a stand towards unconditional love. I would lie if I said that I wasn't disappointed and sad at the moment. Many of us have perhaps had false assumptions and some were deceived.

I suppose that now is the time for me to reassemble my thoughts and beliefs. It's been a humbling experience.

[enfoldedblue]

I questioned responding to this thread, as of course it is largely pointless, but i decided to share anyway. I am experiencing a profound transformation within. I became aware that it was occuring around 2-3 years ago. At first I thought I was alone in my experience, but came to discover others having similar experiences. This process is not about aliens, gurus, ascended masters, or rapture. Instead it about being drawn within to discover all aspects that I had pushed away out of fear, to heal and clear the associated energy of fear. This process is about healing the internal state of unconscious division and returning to a state of wholeness. The further I progress in my healing journey the more my external reality reflects the changes within. For me the key to this process is gentleness, it is not about forcing, or pushing, it does not happen overnight (thank god), I feel like a blossom that is opening :)...It is a very magical, mysterious and beautiful process.

[Youniverse]

I feel the same peace and harmony I did before Dec.21. I have the same hopes and desires I've felt for years.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

celebrate life!

and try to develop the commercialization of space travel!

[jessamy99]

Our new era begins tomorrow. Our new beginning.
Our hearts will be open.
Our souls will soar.
No body can confine us.
We will be expanded until we have merged with our centre, where we are all one.
There is only the one being, that creative centre.
There is such love for you all.
Enjoy 2013!
With love,
Jessamy xxxxx

[ketturah]

I questioned responding to this thread, as of course it is largely pointless, but i decided to share anyway. I am experiencing a profound transformation within. I became aware that it was occuring around 2-3 years ago. At first I thought I was alone in my experience, but came to discover others having similar experiences. This process is not about aliens, gurus, ascended masters, or rapture. Instead it about being drawn within to discover all aspects that I had pushed away out of fear, to heal and clear the associated energy of fear. This process is about healing the internal state of unconscious division and returning to a state of wholeness. The further I progress in my healing journey the more my external reality reflects the changes within. For me the key to this process is gentleness, it is not about forcing, or pushing, it does not happen overnight (thank god), I feel like a blossom that is opening :)...It is a very magical, mysterious and beautiful process.


I totally agree, & I haven't had time to respond to you about my son yet, in your thread about Intense Energy, but I will later.

[Maunagarjana]

For now, all 2012 guru´s websites are suspiciously quiet. I guess they are taking some time to brainstorm about which kind of excuse will be more convincing.

Yes, I've been monitoring some of them for signs of life.

Like this one that posts Galactic Federation of Light stuff (no posts since Dec. 19th): http://www.galacticchannelings.com/english/index.html

One that I've been fascinated by is Georgi Stankov's site. I can't look away. It's like a car crash. I have to look. He had really put himself out there lately with his claims about ascension. And now, there's this message. http://www.stankovuniversallaw.com/2012/12/announcement-2/ Honestly, I'm kind of worried about him.

Still waiting to hear from David Wilcock, but in his case, while it seemed he was hoping for something to happen (a quantum event?????), he was planning for the future (working on a new book, scheduling speaking gigs.)

[bram]

Just think of all that wasted time and money spent on a speculations.
The Brave New World IS here, and we are standing right in it, up to our necks.
Just think of all that ""ascension"" arguing, it was totally pointless.
It is a distraction.

When's the next one due?

It was a typing error by the mayans, apparently. the world will now end on 21 February, 2021 (21/02/2021). So we can now start counting down again.

[Strat]

(I apologize for not contributing to this thread but) I gotta tell you RMorgan you're like my brother from another mother. Almost every time I read your posts I agree with what you say. This is one of my (somewhat cheesy) "I love Avalon" moments; we're two different people, we're from two vastly different cultures and we've walked two different paths in life. Yet we've arrived at the same place and with the same beliefs.

[DeDukshyn]

My expectations were met 100% -- anyone else?

[Grumpy Cat]

I think there is definitely some kind of evolution going on in my mind, it is a gradual process but the fact that all this has occurred so close to the supposed end of the world is not lost on me. Like V in V for Vendetta, I do not believe in coincidence. I reckon more and more people will awaken now.

For most of my late teens I completely ignored the depths of the resource that I grew up with- the internet. It's only when I started digging deeper in to alternative media and forums such as this that I started to piece things together and bring my life more in "sync". I have encountered countless synchronicities since doing this, as if the world itself is telling me I'm finally on the right path. I've lived in a state of fear of "the system" for most of my life but now I've realised they can do precisely nothing to me as long as I keep my head screwed on, I'll be absolutely fine. I don't even fear the inevitability of death anymore since I know we persist beyond the crude matter we inhabit. That alone is a very comforting thing to know.

Knowledge and the seeking of it is definitely the "key" for my well-being, and now I know so much more than I did merely six months ago, my mind is all the more clear for it. It's as if what my subsconscious mind already knew is coming to the fore-front. Everything from the occult to future technology is all fascinating to me as I know we inhabit a world where there is potentially no limits, if we free our minds.

I often wonder if i'll find my "twin flame", whoever she is, but I know the universe tends to provide when we are really ready for it. Companionship is definitely the missing piece in the puzzle that is my life. Patience is a virtue though I suppose. :D

[modwiz]

Im waiting to hear from people like Patrick Geryl and others and see what they have to say now. I know somwhere theres a BIG sale on end of the world gear.
All of Patrick Geryl videos have been "removed by user"
2012 New Predictions
http://www.howtosurvive2012.com/htm_night/impre_02.htm

He made his money. He can close his shop now, and what a user he was. :p

[markpierre]

Hey folks,


Ascension didn´t happen, a consciousness shift didn´t happen, the end of the world didn´t happen, and if some of you feel something different, you should consider the possibility of the placebo effect.

So, I´m really curious about what are you feeling by now. Do you feel frustrated?

Raf.

So is that an announcement that needs to be made? By what authority? The ascension that you'd been imagining is relative to the parameters of your imaginings.
I'm not surprised there would be disappointment. You won't like my answer but I'm ecstatic. I've got mine. It wasn't contingent on expectations.

The placebo effect may well be a part of the general awakening of consciousness, who knows. Who cares. All 'healing' depends on a change of mind. Whatever facilitates change
is the correct medicine.
It's also a convenient way to qualify denial, implying it has no value. But you can't really deny what you can't really know, so there you go.

Part of the problem in those observations is that you still need something outside of you to verify it. It doesn't work that way. It occurs from the inside out. It's personal,
unique to your person, and your memories. Unique to your personal agenda, which is decided by a you that you do not know. But you also do. You have to meet it to remember it.

And the self that requires validation in everything it views and believes and assesses and does, is the aspect that by it's very nature, doesn't and won't participate. Yet it can.
All the verification you still demand is waiting for your agreement. Nothing can happen in perception until you're ready, and can allow it.
Perception is an effect, not a cause of anything.

All the date of the 21st is relevant to is that that's when everything that could be made available to you personally to facilitate your awakening, was.
From then, it's purely up to you. Your choices, your timetable, your human agenda and how you participate with your illusions, for you to change according to your will.
If it takes you a thousand years to recognize that you're safe, what does it matter? It's not contingent on your acknowledgement.
It's going to be subtle, because the changes in you are already part of you. Not the least bit unfamiliar. I'll bet you can acknowledge a few. Nothing's different in your
perception of yourself over the last few years?

It's there and working, as promised. Lets see what you can do. If you know you can't fail, you might even enjoy it.

[Youniverse]

I think there is definitely some kind of evolution going on in my mind, it is a gradual process but the fact that all this has occurred so close to the supposed end of the world is not lost on me. Like V in V for Vendetta, I do not believe in coincidence. I reckon more and more people will awaken now.

For most of my late teens I completely ignored the depths of the resource that I grew up with- the internet. It's only when I started digging deeper in to alternative media and forums such as this that I started to piece things together and bring my life more in "sync". I have encountered countless synchronicities since doing this, as if the world itself is telling me I'm finally on the right path. I've lived in a state of fear of "the system" for most of my life but now I've realised they can do precisely nothing to me as long as I keep my head screwed on, I'll be absolutely fine. I don't even fear the inevitability of death anymore since I know we persist beyond the crude matter we inhabit. That alone is a very comforting thing to know.

Knowledge and the seeking of it is definitely the "key" for my well-being, and now I know so much more than I did merely six months ago, my mind is all the more clear for it. It's as if what my subsconscious mind already knew is coming to the fore-front. Everything from the occult to future technology is all fascinating to me as I know we inhabit a world where there is potentially no limits, if we free our minds.

I often wonder if i'll find my "twin flame", whoever she is, but I know the universe tends to provide when we are really ready for it. Companionship is definitely the missing piece in the puzzle that is my life. Patience is a virtue though I suppose. :D

That's awesome! You are very well spoken and much wiser than most 22 year olds I have met.

[Mandala]

I'm disappointed there was no disclosure. I expected nothing, but I hoped for disclosure, a few huge ships that MSM couldn't ignore. That didn't happen, I was disappointed. I didn't expect mass ascension but I did hope for mass change through disclosure. I feel foolish for hoping.

Ok I'm a little pissed off. Sorry , apologies.

[Youniverse]

I questioned responding to this thread, as of course it is largely pointless, but i decided to share anyway. I am experiencing a profound transformation within. I became aware that it was occuring around 2-3 years ago. At first I thought I was alone in my experience, but came to discover others having similar experiences. This process is not about aliens, gurus, ascended masters, or rapture. Instead it about being drawn within to discover all aspects that I had pushed away out of fear, to heal and clear the associated energy of fear. This process is about healing the internal state of unconscious division and returning to a state of wholeness. The further I progress in my healing journey the more my external reality reflects the changes within. For me the key to this process is gentleness, it is not about forcing, or pushing, it does not happen overnight (thank god), I feel like a blossom that is opening :)...It is a very magical, mysterious and beautiful process.


Yes, what you're saying here echoes my experience somewhat. It's never been about one day or single event. It is a process that may seem to take a long time, yet considering most people probably take many hundreds or even thousands of lifetimes to reach liberation, what's 5 or 6 years? I too have felt many changes within over the last 5 years or so. Of course my current desire is to keep building on those changes to awaken more and more. I, like so many of you, had heard several different stories about Dec.21/2012, and never knew quite what to make of any of them. Perhaps there has been some great shift that most of us aren't aware of but will see the fruits of it someday. So for many there is disappointment with that date. However, if you've been experiencing the kinds of positive changes that enfoldedblue has shared here over a period of several years, than whatever did or did not happen on Dec.21 is probably of little consequence to you.

[TargeT]

My expectations were met 100% -- anyone else?
my expectations were exceeded & I am very happy with the outcome...

All the 2012 mayan calendar hype was the PERFECT reason to take that friday off & have a 5 day "weekend" (which is really how I think the work week should be, who ever made up this 2 off 5 on week got it backwards!)

[Mulder]

Hope is a contagious, extremely desired emotion, people, myself included I believe want to be hopeful, I think its quite natural. I never "believed" in 12/21, I did however wait and see as every other day in my life. Admittedly, I "waited/watched" a tad bit more than usual, but just a tad bit more with basically zero expectations. I too think this is a great opportunity to "cleanse" the B.S. artist out of the alternative media, I too noticed the silence. Where do "we" go from here? Well for me I stay the course that I've been on, planting, coming up with new ways of being self sufficient, and just thinkin about as much cool stuff as I can.
Jeff

Very well said! I felt totally at peace on 20th Dec and I slept normally that night. Same on 21 Dec as shown in my thread on that day. I think I'm ambivalent about the "end of the world!"

[Hermite]

Well, I witnessed a couple of "miracles" a few days ago. I was :jaw:


This whole 21st thing has been very enlightening for me. For that, I am deeply grateful.

[Cidersomerset]

Well someone made it ....

http://fierceandnerdy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/rapture.jpg

[Falcor]

speaking strictly from my limited viewpoint...all i can say is that 2012 was a great catalyst for me....all the reading, contemplation, meditation.....all led me to the activation of my energy body, where i have personally verified everything that i wanted to up until now.

i can say i have 'awakened' or shifted consciousness or whatever words jive to make others understand that something major has happened within me over the past few years, but really i dont see the point in putting labels on it anymore.


the motivation behind my post is this -
maybe it is the placebo that has helped me 'see' and feel the things that i have.....and maybe its also the placebo that stops you from feeling and 'seeing' those same things. either way, let us always remember there is always two sides to a coin. i think just because our reality hasnt shifted, it is ignorant to assume the same hasnt happened for others.

much love

[9eagle9]

In case you missed yours RMorgan. You can have a copy of mine. You have a lot to feel good about.

Re: Black Friday.

Agenda: Slate Wiping.

Previous Minutes:

Re: No mother ships, no et intervention, singular quantum event, mass healing, no reset buttons, astrological light alignments, pineal gland explosions, no mass ascension (again), no mass mailed cheques from the Fed, no CME’s, no GFL (again) no Pole Shifts, and the popular late comer (no pun intended) no 17 second mind orgasm.

Dear Eagle,
By this time you have noticed that, I, the Universe in one singular all-encompassing sweep exposed nearly all the BS propaganda, mind control, programming, false beliefs, graven images and fake gurus collectively in span of approximately 24 hours. There seemed to be a great deal of confusion whether Wilcocks, Drake, Horaks, and Fulford and those like them were advanced beings.

After the non-events of last Friday I think I’ve made it pretty clear that folk like that are nowhere approaching light speed. Some people have a hard time accepting this so I thought 12-21-12 would serve as a quick reminder to add to its originally intended purpose which has been so corrupted from its original format so that even I have a hard time remembering what it was for.

Oh yes. Yes luv, I did this for you and the few others like you who stick to my guns. You expected nothing and got it all. You just let the Universe do it's work.

Those are not things of my creation so I felt no responsibility in making them happen. The shysters created them and the weak promoted them. I had nothing to do with that. I did try to say to spewing fake love hither and yon would only produce sick results.

I know a lot of people are pissed at me but that is what love is, not continuing to feed the self deceptions. it also means breaking down and exposing what is killing people. You noticed that spewing fake love everywhere did not do a damn thing on 12-21-12. I noticed you noticing.

And Yes Eagle people loathe you for noticing it. People who bear that loathing and really expected something fantastic to happen on 12-21-12 are really really self-deceived and separated from me.

The end of the world was only for those who invested themselves in such shallow happy porn. Porn is of course only to make people feel good. They have no concept of what love is even though they peddle a fake version of it to the point even I want to vomit into my own black hole. See where it got them?

Where did real love get us? Where we are right now? Feeling good,eh?

None of that happened because 12-21-12 was not about that at all. That was not my intention. I always said do not corrupt sacred things.

95 percent of the weak, the unchallenged, the gullible, the love junkies and feel good addicts, the lost guru groupies are feeling pretty exposed, disappointed, and vulnerable today. Because they didn’t believe in me. They didn’t believe me when I said I would bring great change on 12-21-12. They really don’t trust me the good old Universe no matter how much they say they do. They don't even know me at all if they thought they could expect something like that from me.

Actually they weren’t listening to me at all, but the dense side of the cosmos. The nasty little demi-gods that sit on their shoulders and leverage their emptiness. Perversely this Cosmos is called Divine.

They corrupted the intention of 12-21 didn’t they. Along with astrology, numerology, the tarot, and a plethora of other ways of the wise wilder elders. That’s why it all failed them. They corrupted 12-21 and they wonder why nothing happened.

For those who didn’t corrupt they got to see the BS TNT’d and imploded on itself in a ray of illuminating light.

The light really did happen. After all it exposed those corrupt beings for what they were, did it not? COLLECTIVELY one mass awakening and awareness of what these people are up to.

If it seems pretty quiet down there today it’s because with BS blown out of the water there’s really nothing to talk about. With nothing to talk about people will have to do, starting with themselves. Eating a heap of Jim Crow tends to dull the conversation. Hard to have a word when you are biting the bird.

The silence shows just how little Original knowing exists.

Do they really have any right to speak at all when all they tell are lies? Now their lies have been exposed for what they are. What right do they have to say anything at all? Don’t encourage them, they’ll just start up the propaganda machine again.

95 percent of the smug allegedly advanced beings who called you angry, demented, vile, bitter, uncaring and without compassion really got their reality cheque today didn’t they. Strange how you don’t feel angry bitter this day, eh?

You can feel good on 12-21-12 for the same reasons you always have. You didn’t corrupt sacred beliefs, you didn’t peddle BS, you didn’t fail to expose the Bs, the programming, the rampant corruption and its hand maidens and infectious carriers on the head every time ugly head was the you didn’t shrink from telling people how it was, how they were killing themselves and each other. You didn’t shrink from the pain the anger the lunacy the masquerade.

You of course have other faults but at least you didn't corrupt the divine.

You didn’t contribute to the pain, hopelessness and disappointment that many will be experiencing post 12-21. Yeah they were really pissed you didn’t encourage their self deceptions but how good do you think they are feeling today?

And Eagle... Let those advanced folks (the real ones I mean) who didn’t goose step in the black parade know, in case they missed my letter. Let them know that they too got a letter from the Universe in case they didn’t realize how much they meant to me. That it only takes a few to bring down the house of cards simply by sticking to one’s guns. Let them know there are still a few left in the Universe WORTH fighting for. Let them know in case they think nothing really happened at all. Let them know how rare and valuable they are.

Just a few did this. Thank them for me for demonstrating no “Mass” nothing, no “Collective” anything is required.

Tell them I said Well done, Well played and Bravo. Virtue is its own reward.

Advanced beings come in strange forms.

They’ll know who they are.

Thank you for your continued support of me . If anyone disses you tell them they have an opportunity to give their checkbook a rest. They love to hear crap like that.

I Love You,

the Universe.

PS. You think you PISSED them off ? You should have seen the looks on their faces when I didn’t vaporize them into a thousand loving light particles or convert their bodies into fifth dimensional geo forms.

[Hervé]

Thanks for the laugh 9eagle9!

Indeed, something did happened on 21-12-2012... many, many faces kept lengthening as the hopes of ascension or utter blasting destruction were fading away into the night toward 22-12-2012.

Well, merry/happy Yule Tide/Christmas/whatever you celebrate to welcome the birth of longer days!

[Arrowwind]

Yep. Quite a few folks are looking kind of foolish these days and I feel sorry for Patrick Geryl. Spreading the terror that he did and being so fully absorbed in his own "science". It is a terrible way to live. I was wondering how Drunvalo has been feeling lately, but he did back out of the doom and gloom thing a little while back.

Preparing for disaster is an ongoing process. I think of it like families did two hundred years ago. Alway prepare for what could come regarding food and shelter the best you can. Economies change, wars come and go, societies rise and fall, weather changes... these have always been the norm not unending bounty that we seem to be experiencing at this time. We all know how fragile the environmental issues are, the farming issues and the weather changes and political unrest around the world. Relying on others for survival can undermine your foundation. Remember, there are many already who are living under the crush of disaster who did not prepare, who have hungry children clinging to them, who have no pure water, who have had their houses uprooted by war, famine and other social issues. Many things cannot be prepared for but many can. This whole 2012 thing proves that we are not so good at reading the cards that are put before us.

[Arrowwind]

and by the way, we are not outside of the window of change related to 2012. If it is true that we are ascending into what is called the bronze age yuga we will see more change as time goes by... actually the amount of change I have experienced in the last 60 years is absolutely mind blowing if it were to come upon us all at once but we have been acclimatized over the last generation to radical change and its almost like we thrive on it and seek it out... it has become normal. To remain the same is out of style.. we as a nation (what ever nation you are in), as a people and as individuals seek growth and change like probably never before. With the explosion of science and open heart and the growing rationality of "religion" that I see we will see much great change coming at an exponential rates in the next 10 years.

[Eagle Eye]

I think that many doesn't know what they really want for themselves. Something you know for sure is that you are living an experience for more or less 100 years and yet many had waited to escape from this experience too early. Why is that?
Are they tired of this challenging experience? Are they lacking responsability and waiting for a savior to find solution for their problems? Do they really desire to gain something big without hard work ?

[ceetee9]

So, I´m really curious about what are you feeling by now. Do you feel frustrated?

Anyway, personally, I see this thing as a great opportunity. It´s a good opportunity to review how your belief systems work, to stop being so naive and gullible.

It´s a great opportunity to focus on what really matters, which is how are we going to manage fixing our own world, all by ourselves.

Will we, as a collective, learn the lesson this time or will we fall for the next date in order to alienate ourselves from our real responsibilities once again?

So, what do you think? I would really like to read your conclusions about this issue, because these conclusions are extremely important to shape our future.

My best regards,

Raf.Hi Raf, Yes, I am extremely frustrated. But not because nothing happened on 12/21. I never expected anything to happen. And I agree with you this, or any time for that matter, is an excellent opportunity for us to examine ourselves, our belief systems, and to focus on what really matters. But I'm not optimistic that that will happen and that's why I'm so frustrated. We, as a species, appear to have an innate need for others to fix things for us. And we PA members are not exempt from this flaw in our make up. When we were children we expected our parents, grand parents, and/or older siblings to fix things for us. And when we were old enough to get married and get a job we expected our spouses, employers, and/or governments to fix things for us. It's always some else's responsibility to take care of us and our families. It never quite seems to be entirely our responsibility. I know I'm generalizing and oversimplifying things here, but seriously, how many of us have ACTUALLY done anything other than pontificate to one another of how awake and aware we are and how asleep and clueless everyone else is? I'd be willing to bet, damn few (myself included).

While recognizing our problems and discussing possible solutions is absolutely a necessary first step, NOTHING is going to change unless WE MAKE IT HAPPEN. PERIOD!

Are we up for the challenge? Or do you feel it's still someone else who needs to take the first real steps to improving our world? I must admit, perhaps my biggest frustration comes from the fact that I'm not even sure I can honestly say I'm up for the challenge--and that saddens me greatly.

[Arrowwind]

Are we up for the challenge? Or do you feel it's still someone else who needs to take the first real steps to improving our world? I must admit, perhaps my biggest frustration comes from the fact that I'm not even sure I can honestly say I'm up for the challenge--and that saddens me greatly.

I think people get frustrated when they think that change could only be up to them.. but really, it is not up to an individual but to a collective humanity, committed to a zillion different projects around the world. Make a difference in your home, your neighborhood, your work, your community. That is really all anyone can be realistically expected to do. Then support real visonaries and meaningful projects, those things that are big movers and shakers in what ever way you can.

[GloriousPoetry]

I knew nothing would happen on December 21, 2012 . One of the hardest things for humans to see is the light inside of themselves first. There's no true meaning in the group until this spiritual awakening happens uniquely inside every soul on the planet.

[applecrusher1992]

Hey folks,

Well, after literally hundreds of threads about December 21th 2012, I was expecting this forum to be very agitated by now, since the date has passed and nothing abnormal happened.

Instead, Project Avalon is silent...Sometimes silence can be more meaningful than words.

Ascension didn´t happen, a consciousness shift didn´t happen, the end of the world didn´t happen, and if some of you feel something different, you should consider the possibility of the placebo effect.

So, I´m really curious about what are you feeling by now. Do you feel frustrated?

If you do, know that it isn´t entirely your fault. You´re victims of a bunch of dishonest people who explored this date to generate revenue or to earn their fifteen minutes of fame.

However, these folks only made their ways out of anonymity because they had an audience, which includes you.

Anyway, personally, I see this thing as a great opportunity. It´s a good opportunity to review how your belief systems work, to stop being so naive and gullible.

It´s also a great opportunity to finally clean the alternative media and get rid of storytellers, opportunists and con men, who are destroying the alternative community.

It´s a great opportunity to focus on what really matters, which is how are we going to manage fixing our own world, all by ourselves.

Will we, as a collective, learn the lesson this time or will we fall for the next date in order to alienate ourselves from our real responsibilities once again?

So, what do you think? I would really like to read your conclusions about this issue, because these conclusions are extremely important to shape our future.

My best regards,

Raf.

Yeah, I have been feeling very frustrated lately. I have been following Drake, and others to see what comes out and my gullibility got the best of me. The blatant lies about the Sandy Hook shooting have also gotten to me too. The worse part is the majority of people actually believing in the lies that to me seem so false that I question whether the human race deserve to be free or if they should be enslaved by their tv. I tried to wake my parents up but I can't convince them fluoride, aspartame, and GMOs are bad. I can't convince them that something like the Sandy Hook shooting is a false flag and it may tie to the Libor Scandal. I may be wrong but pieces click too well to be a coincidence. My brother is also autistic and I know there are so many things such as detoxification that could help him but if I can't convince my parents then its not happening. My father is a open minded person and I think can see through all this but he just has given up on questioning things in this world with his age. And my family is in pretty good financial shape which means that is not a factor to push them to change. I have had terrible mood swings the past days and most have just been negative. I have had the worst Christmas ever. My Christmas wish was and is still for the world to know the truth and to continue on a path toward love, peace, and prosperity. But I don't know how I can personally use my skills and knowledge to move toward this goal. I still have hope but my patience is done and anyone who thinks there is a "plan" should realize you are the plan. No military, no Nesara, no Gemain fund, just us and every other human. Anyone who tells otherwise IMHO should show hard proof or shut-up. And if I am proven wrong and people like Drake , Cobra, and others are proven right then we really have stupid people working on this "plan". There excuses and supposed problems were so predictable. Hope porn can be just as bad as fear porn and for me it feels so much worse. I still think the cabal are going to lose but we have to show that we deserve our freedom. With peace and love

Karl

[Maia Gabrial]

I wondered WHEN someone was going to rub it into people's noses, Raf.... And that's more disappointing that nothing grand happening on December 21st.

I say that the shows NOT over until the fat lady sings. Just because it didn't happen on THAT date doesn't mean it's not happening. We're long overdue for a evolutionary leap.... Everything has a moment when it happens. Just because we failed to pinpoint that moment this time, doesn't mean give up. Even if we have the mathematics figured out to the nth degree, the Universe has its own timetable. That's where we went wrong, trying to pinpoint the impossible. IMO there were too many confounding variables, like galactic beings interfering, too many lies and deceit clouding the issues, too many doubts and skepticism influencing the outcome at least on a collective scale. However, I think on an individual level, the changes are continuing.... When I have something magnificent to share, the forum will be where I'll announce it. I'm still processing....

Yeah, I'm still optimistic about it all. I'm feeling all kinds of things that I've never felt before. I've never been psychic, had clear visions or been able to manifest as quickly as I am now. I seem to know what's going to happen next....Never happened before.....

I'm still hopeful for Earth's humanity as a whole. This optimism is influenced by the visions I've had. Mock me, if you will; but it won't matter. I know what I know....

Positive changes are coming in spite of all the skepticisms and doubts. Maybe when those emotions are eliminated from the equation, then it'll happen on a grander scale....

[9eagle9]

I’m sorry Maia some people are correct. This attitude is what has brought us to where we are right now.
I was dead serious when I praised those people who did not damage others. Did not feed the illusions, did not look the other way when the con artists and shills showed up. They did not feed circumstances that resulted in people being bitter, disappointed, lost and without a foundation. They did not contribute to predicted situations that the co – dependents latched on to .

Those are brave and fine and embattled people who made a contribution towards humanity by not feeding shallow illusions.

What did the con artists do? What did the people who supported their illusions do? Abolutely nothing but fan illusions, create more matrix.

They got just what they deserved. That is called KARMA. They got exactly what they wanted which was NOTHING, because that is what it was all along and you are kicking those people who seen that?

Now that the BS has been exposed for what it is its being called “rub in your face”?

When we have full disclosure and it’s not all that and a bag of cookies will that be called ‘rub in your face’?

If the events of 12-21 had transpired the way the lost sheep expected that really would have been ‘rub in your face.’

There will be no advancement that way. I know people are going to rush to defend this **** but you won’t get your evolution that way. People are going rush to defend the con artists and say ‘Oh their only human’ .

Yeah well isn’t that what we are supposed to be doing is transcending humanity and its foibles?

As long as we keep accepting this the longer the matrix will remain.

Some people have just advanced to where others have been at all along. Evolution is not reserved for just a few. Some people understood they could choose to evolve BEFORE 12-21. That i was never dependent on a date. And those people who knew that were correct. You think evolution just brings more incorrectness?

Face it. If these people could not see this coming they were not transcended, advanced or in ‘the know’.
Now we are excusing them for being liars?

Yes I KNOW that people don't like the idea of being played for a sheep. Now they have a chance to get out of the illusions , know they are sheep, and fix that. But not with this sort of attitude. This is not wisdom its sour grapes.

You don't think any one of us naysayers would just love to have some ray of light come in and fix things. We only KNEW and were CORRECT that things are not that easy.

Now YOU have a choice to quit accepting this BS, quit rationalizing it, excusing it. Are you going to take that chance? Or fall back into the same pattern?

If you truly want evolution you will. Otherwise you are just begging for something you don’t want. What you are saying is I want it, but I don’t want to do the work required for it. I am a co-dependent. A parasite things have to run based on my need, not the way they need to be run.

To fix what is wrong one has to not only find out what is right but ACCEPT what is right.

If you want things to go on the way they are before , other people will keep being wrong, others will keep being correct, the same old song and dance that brought us up to this point right now. People will continue to advance and evolve without you . you can’t stop them. A date won’t stop them, didn't stop them, and they will continue being correct. And it will stop bothering you that they are correct and have chosen balanced paths when you do it yourself.

Now that people are lost bitter and disappointed with no great sheme to base their hopes on they can come back inot the present and explore themselves, find out what is inside them that keeps yearning for these shallow pie in the sky illusions so they can break that cycle of disillusionment they create for themselves. Break the mechanisms that prompt them to keep accepting and excusing this ****.

The mechanisms that attack what is RIGHT. You think we are going to get out of our wrongness by attacking that which is Correct and RIGHT?

Yes we have to confront we are not as ‘advanced’ as we think we are.

First we have to confront our own co-dependnecy. Its not splashy and quantum, it doesn’t make us feel special but it begins that foundation of the evolution that you so crave.

Others want evolution too. I want it but no one is going to be free until every else is and its attitudes like that is holding us back. Some few of us are doing our work and the co-dependents are smacking them in the head while looking for the Drakes and Wilocks of the world to do their work for them.

We have just see for ourselves that no ‘work’ was done. Nothing was accomplished THEIR way.

Can we do that. No? Then we won’t evolve

by our choices that we made we will not.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

Well, I have to stand up to defend myself here! :)

I have no control over anyone´s fingers and eyes, let alone noses. Whenever a person decides to click on my thread and read it, it´s because he/she has decided to do so.

So, I´m not rubbing anything into anyone´s noses. I have no power to do that.

I´m just sharing my opinions and thoughts here and no one is obliged to read them.

I try hard to be very polite while writing anything here, in order to avoid offending anyone...If you feel offended or if you feel some nuisance in your nose, it´s very unlikely to be my fault.

Anyway, thanks for everyone who decided to read and reply to this thread, even those who disagree with it.

I wish you all a very happy 2013.

Cheers,

Raf.

[ThePythonicCow]

When a magician needs to pull off a major work of magic, that can't be entirely hidden from plain view, he may also decide to put substantial effort into one or more distractions. If the distractions, in the end, vanish in a puff of smoke, that's OK. They served their purpose, both (1) giving the viewer some context, some "way to explain", what the onlookers might have noticed of the real trick, without revealing the trick, and (2) distracting the viewer's mind with irrelevant details, so their overloaded circuits notice fewer of the important details.

However my tin foil hat is still picking up strange signals on its two little antennae.

This Dec 21, 2012 event may have been one of the first big "false flag" events directed in particular at us in the "alternative media" world. It wasn't one big event, like 9/11, but rather the magic addicted bastards with too much power on this planet threw a bunch of stuff at us. Many existing "gurus", and quite a few more gurus concocted for the occasion, had various stories to tell, which bear the taint of the magicians' stage craft.

When the habitually lying con artist neighbor or relative starts throwing a blizzard of lies at you, your sixth sense tells you to be alert -- something is brewing -- someone is up to no good.

Every time that the bastards in power throw a major false flag of the more traditional kind at us, such as Pearl Harbor or 9/11, the news wasn't that what we saw was false. Rather the important news was that major changes were afoot, that we ordinary people would certainly not have consented to, had we known.

===

P.S. -- Those same bastards have also done a credible job of discrediting many of the more prominent people who did have, and may still have, genuine insights, knowledge, evidence or experience into our situation. For one example close to home, that may have been what "they" were attempting with Stephen Hodges and Bill Ryan, if Hodges was put up to his antics, not just acting on his own.

[Fred Steeves]

I'm very curious to pin down just exactly what we are decrying as 2012 hysteria, and just maybe there are even differing opinions of what that means. Copied below is a post I made a couple days ago in a different 2012 thread.




Now maybe I'm beginning to understand why all the hard core fuss here about the 2012 doom and gloom, and the silence afterwards. Apparently it's more because of people like the guy(Patrick Geryl) in the above interview and others like him? Because I just hadn't noticed any tremendous buzz about doomsday and ascension actually here with Avalon members. I don't really pay much attention to stuff like that as there is so much bs, and so much to actually learn through talking to people right here, so there you go...Not paying attention? :ohwell:

Cheers,
Fred

P.S.
Am I correct in my assesment? Or does this also include anyone who thinks this is a changing of Ages, and/or that there is a continuing tremendous shift in Awareness occuring? I would really like to get this nailed down once and for all. If we're talking apples to oranges, I can certainly see why the confusion.


So yeah, I'm thinking it would be a real shame for us to start slamming the doors of our minds shut, just because of psy op 2012 mind f**k crap, that of course didn't happen. So someone please just talk to me plainly and simply, like I'm a third grader, and explain exactly the difference between what has now been "debunked", what is "officially" still possible, and what can still be talked about here without snickers in the background.

Thanks,
Fred

[RMorgan]

I'm very curious to pin down just exactly what we are decrying as 2012 hysteria, and just maybe there are even differing opinions of what that means. Copied below is a post I made a couple days ago in a different 2012 thread.




Now maybe I'm beginning to understand why all the hard core fuss here about the 2012 doom and gloom, and the silence afterwards. Apparently it's more because of people like the guy(Patrick Geryl) in the above interview and others like him? Because I just hadn't noticed any tremendous buzz about doomsday and ascension actually here with Avalon members. I don't really pay much attention to stuff like that as there is so much bs, and so much to actually learn through talking to people right here, so there you go...Not paying attention? :ohwell:

Cheers,
Fred

P.S.
Am I correct in my assesment? Or does this also include anyone who thinks this is a changing of Ages, and/or that there is a continuing tremendous shift in Awareness occuring? I would really like to get this nailed down once and for all. If we're talking apples to oranges, I can certainly see why the confusion.


So yeah, I'm thinking it would be a real shame for us to start slamming the doors of our minds shut, just because of psy op 2012 mind f**k crap, that of course didn't happen. So someone please just talk to me plainly and simply, like I'm a third grader, and explain exactly the difference between what has now been "debunked", what is "officially" still possible, and what can still be talked about here without snickers in the background.

Thanks,
Fred

Hey Fred, my brother! :)

Well, I believe what was mostly debunked, once again, is the thought that humans have the ability to predict the future, specially when attaching such predictions to a date.

About the many pseudo-theories behind the 2012 myth, well, I believe they never had a solid foundation in the first place.

As an example, the thought that a quantum consciousness leap or "ascension" would happen because of the end of a 26.000 cycle or because the increase of supposed cosmic energies caused by a galactic alignment never actually had any substance.

Questions like "how the end of a 26.000 cycle could possibly influence our lives?" , "why the end of an ancient calendar would be meaningful?" and "why a galactic alignment would supposedly unleash different energies and how such unknown energies would influence us?" were never answered, because the people who first proposed such ideas actually formed them out out of pure speculation...When people try to answer such questions they just go around in loops, using other unfounded pseudo-theories to pretend their answer makes sense.

Of course, my friend, anything is possible, but man, the people pretending to have knowledge about "mystical" cosmic events in order to make their "theories" look realistic are the ones who got debunked big time on this one.

This whole 2012 thing, in my opinion, became just like a crazy building supported by countless pseudo-theories that are as strong as rotten wooden sticks...A bunch of senseless theories trying to become stronger by grouping themselves with another bunch of senseless theories, forming something like a nonsense cluster.

About this tremendous shift in awareness that you describe, I don´t know how things are where you live, but down here in Brazil, it all looks the same to me; People just doing what they usually do, walking around like zombies, working, consuming, eating fast food, protesting for futile reasons like soccer and complacently ignoring corruption.

Please, don´t get me wrong, my friend, I also can´t wait to see some real change in the world, but as far as I can observe, I´m not seeing any major independent changes in the mindset of the masses.

Will the masses wake up before it´s too late? I don´t know...Maybe yes, maybe no.

However, so far, I haven´t seeing any behavioral trend that tranquilizes me about the future of the human race.

Anyway, analyzing the gigantic amount of epic failed predictions accumulated since the begining of recorded history, I suspect that whenever something BIG happens, it wont be predicted at all.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Fred Steeves]

Thanks Raf. Yeah, it's a wide open field huh? I reckon falsities get so deeply ingrained with truths that eventually asses meld with elbows. (LOL) To try and cut through all the bs hooplah, I'll tell you where I'm coming from:

I think we are most certainly in a window of opportunity for anything to happen. A window however makes not a single day. The idea that one certain day changes everything is ridiculous, but then again, why do we celebrate holydays and birthdays?

I think the 2012 thing has been bastardized just like every other thing under the sun. Just look at long ago hijacked symbols, and how astrology is mostly thought of the same way as the comics section in the newspaper. TPTB live and die by the cycles and orbits of planets, suns, galaxies, etc., but we are taught it's foolishness.

I don't see a mass awakening either, and I'm becoming more and more certain it's an individual thing, not a mass populous thing. However, I DO see more of society in general sniffing in the air that something is terribly wrong.

So anyway man, I know something's going on, balls to bone as the Oracle said to Neo, and it's a shame that the 2012 scam has successfully discredited any out of the box insights. I'll keep posting whatever comes to mind though, and if that lumps me in with the crowd of ascension into the clouds or Earth flipping upside down, then so be it. :)

Cheers Mate, http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif
Fred

[geoffbyrd]

I for one am not in the least disappointed. The gloom and doom crowd was the nocebo, if I may say so myself. It does seem to me that there is a definite shift in the archetypal evolution of human consciousness, not overnight with the pacific ocean wiping out the Himalayas but rather more like the Renaissance bringing us ever so gradually out of the dark ages. Just a couple of rather trite but not insignificant examples: When I was a teen everyone smoked and I learned how myself hacking and practicing looking cool in the mirror while today smoking is practically anathema. Same with drinking and driving, I remember when the police might pull somebody over and good naturedly suggest they take it easy and try to stay in the road, today the social stigma is loud and clear, punitive even! It took decades for the "masses" to get conscious about this kind of thing, and it does seem like more and more issues affecting humanity are being flushed out for reevaluation. The future is looking better to me even as we are facing our own individual and collective "judgment day" as humanity has dragged primitive consciousness of fear, greed, corruption, divisiveness and war into yet another millennium. At the same time there has never before been such a shift in human consciousness toward the light of Divine Intelligence, Peace and Love.

[we-R-one]

Hey folks,

Ascension didn´t happen, a consciousness shift didn´t happen, the end of the world didn´t happen, and if some of you feel something different, you should consider the possibility of the placebo effect.

So, I´m really curious about what are you feeling by now. Do you feel frustrated?

If you do, know that it isn´t entirely your fault. You´re victims of a bunch of dishonest people who explored this date to generate revenue or to earn their fifteen minutes of fame.

Anyway, personally, I see this thing as a great opportunity. It´s a good opportunity to review how your belief systems work, to stop being so naive and gullible.

It´s also a great opportunity to finally clean the alternative media and get rid of storytellers, opportunists and con men, who are destroying the alternative community.

It´s a great opportunity to focus on what really matters, which is how are we going to manage fixing our own world, all by ourselves.

Will we, as a collective, learn the lesson this time or will we fall for the next date in order to alienate ourselves from our real responsibilities once again?

So, what do you think? I would really like to read your conclusions about this issue, because these conclusions are extremely important to shape our future.

My best regards,

Raf.

Hey Raf,

Personally for me, ascension is happening and a shift in consciousness has/is taking place. I believe the definition of ascension needs to be clarified. When I refer to ascension this is the definition I use:

ASCENSION- On an individual level, ascension is the process of changing one’s consciousness from one reality, based on one set of beliefs, to another. On a group or planetary level, ascension is the collective expansion of a state of consciousness (set of beliefs) to the point where that consciousness creates a new reality—a new state of being or dimension (*The Hundredth Monkey Syndrome).

For example, 3D is about the belief that, this is the only life that we have and if you can’t touch it, taste it, see it, feel it or hear it, it doesn’t exist. 5D, is about Christ or Unity consciousness where we realize that we are all connected—we understand and live in oneness.
Source: Jelaila Starr

Clearly science backs what I'm eluding to if you look at the study of Epigenetics or the work of www.heartmath.org. Ascension is taking place, but unfortunately many are using the wrong definition. If you look at what's happening to our society today, are we not seeing a break down of our reality? Are we not seeing more people becoming heart-centered? Is it not apparent that more people are coming to the conclusion that we are all connected as one?(which again is proven through the study of energy fields that surround all of us). I find what I'm describing very apparent in fellow Avalonians posts and also amongst the general population. This is not a placebo effect.

To observe the shift in consciousness, I have to look no further than my own experiences which have been remarkable over the past several years. Even decades before the main portion of my awakening, I was experiencing a raise in consciousness through my own kundalini experience. So if nothing's happening, how does one explain what I have experienced? I am no one special. I have never studied meditation nor do I have any formal training under my belt as one would expect in order to achieve the very state of consciousness needed to create such a profound moment. You see no guru taught me, I did not read some book and then decide to have these experiences. Where did I find the answers? I looked within, and was able to learn based on my own organic abilities. So I don't fit the mold that many insist on using to explain away what I have been through as insignificant occurrences. There is no frustration....in fact, if today I breathed my last breathe, I'd be more than grateful that I came to Earth and did what I was suppose to do, I have no regrets.

In my eyes, I'm experiencing the very thing you say isn't happening. So if you doubt anything I'm sharing, please see "the solutions" thread under Spirituality, as your answers lie there. It's time to re-define the meaning of ascension and the "new" science is there for confirmation, so I have to ask, why aren't more taking a look? Why do we keep doing the same thing over and over again? Why do we insist on utilizing the same 3D thinking that's enslaving us?

Per your comments,....
"It´s a great opportunity to focus on what really matters, which is how are we going to manage fixing our own world, all by ourselves."

what really matters? what are our real responsibilities? - I'm asking what you suggest since you have brought the question to the forefront.

[Dawn]

I decided to make those 2 days sacred in order to celebrate the cosmic alignment that was (and is still) occurring. I spent 2 days in meditation cycles and this felt wonderful. There is always a deep peace and a sense of expansion that comes with meditation. Arising before the sun on both days and starting a repeating cycle of meditations was a wonderful experience.

I had a wonderful 12-21-12 and 12-22-12. There has been a lot of information out there from very wise people for many years that did not support any type of 'big bang' or 'spectacular' event on those days. These people had studied the Mayan calendar and other ancient texts as well as doing their inner work. These people were the ones I resonated with, rather than those spreading hype and thrills. Some of my friends, who are near and dear to my heart, bought into the 'new age' expectations totally. I realized that they are very unhappy with life-as-it-is-now. Planning for a new age gave them something to look forward to with hope. They have my deepest compassion.

I expect many changes to occur in our reality over the next decades. Much of it will be fueled by the energies available from the alignment we are now experiencing. The old teachings around the planet never did point to a sudden Armageddon, but to the dawning of a new age. And just as in a day here, the dawn begins slowly.

Of course some of the Christian texts did point to Armageddon, however these were not ancient texts but added to within the past 2,000 years by despots and TPTB as a control measure. There was a lot of effort by many to actually force something like Armageddon to happen... thank goodness they weren't successful.

I have noticed a GREAT deal of change within human consciousness in my 60+ years here. The Avalon Forum is often living proof of this. There are so many more people I can relate to today than there were 20 years ago. The awakening has already begun and is doing just fine! (IMHO)

[JohnEAngel]

i was not expecting ascension nor was i expecting the end of the world but i was hopeful of some event that would raise humanity out of this Hotel California. is such a hope a far-fetched dream? i too have experienced personal ascension for the last 3 years and it grows every day and it is reality to my being. and i began this before the hype of December 21st starting growing into a commanding influence and before i even considered it. there is a change afoot. that is for certain. unlike any other time. this forum is a demonstration of that. and so i am drawn to this diversity of thought that provokes the interaction and exchange of debated reasoning. as most know or believe that we are all as one, we are still set apart by our personal experience wrapped up in the cocoon of our ego and we will certainly have different positioning. the key though is to respect each of our other-selves and to not depreciate their personal understanding, opinions and expectations. peace and love to you my brothers and sisters.

[gooty64]

Well, I have to stand up to defend myself here!

I'm sure you'll recover:bored:

[modwiz]

The 21st created a lot of cleansing and shed enormous light in dark places. Much was revealed. Illusions were shattered that were preventing real movement. A blanket was suddenly removed. A question will be how many look to just pull the blanket over themselves again, roll over and go back to sleep.

:note: "Roll me another one, just like the other one." :note:

[giovonni]

And then ... after finally reaching and experiencing with other friends the most hyped date in modern history of 12/21/12 ...

i simply sighed and acknowledge to myself... ascension is what it is...

'the act of rising to an important position or a higher level of being' ...

which evoked a peaceful realization and feeling upon me of their silence.

:tape2:

[9eagle9]

Why are we so attached to the We Are One , Collective, Mass Ascension and Awakenings and the assorted fluff and powder that go with them.

Before a solution is provided one would think a very deep exploration of this paradigm that so many are attached to not only in Christian philosophies but the New age ones as well.

I tis actually a symptom of much deeper wound.

Elevating a collective wound as enlightenment is hardly what I call a solution.

An individual who is so strongly sure of themselves that they can live in harmoniously with others in a collective sense.

Wounded people all flung together in a tangle gasping they are one? That's an achievement?

Which sounds more appealing?

When approached on an individual level we can have achievements. This collective mind trap we have offers pie in the sky goals with no measureable collective progress.

Without a thorough understanding of the problem a blanket solution is no solution at all because we are individuals forged that way not only by this life time’s experiences but the experiences of other lives. By the experiences of other people, even that we have had imposed on us morphologically speaking we come to understand other lives are someone elses lives. If one studies the tarot that is a realization (not a solution) that one comes to.

Energy surges were not a solution nor heralded a solution but people milled all over the place gasping something must be about to happen. It did. Energy surged.

People gasped that the planets were all in alignment. and so they did. Now they are no longer in alignment so obviously that was no solution.


Solutions are not on collective levels only on individual levels for that reason. YOu can have a meaningless goal that stays in the heart or you can have progression that is expressed in one's physical life.

We have all just witnessed the failure of scores of blanket solutions based on collectivism, oneness, mass awakening. The event itself is one of mass awareness, if one doesn’t immediately retreat into denial, or petulance because their expectations were dashed. Blame the collective for that the individual didn't make any such promise. The individual has been taken out of the equation. Unfortunately mass , we are one, anything is going to fail because the collective is composed of…individuals.

There are far few people who have worked on core values stemming from this life time that allow entry into this deeper inner explorations where we arrive closer at a ‘solution’—let alone the deeper ‘out of ourselves’ experience.

This is where the mass ascension and mass awakening fables come from in the first place with the misplaced intention that we are somehow One in a 3d realm where the function of being individual in a cooperative way is the only basis of not only survival but evolution.

It is a basically a symptom of a deeper wound. Self loathing.

Below that is an even deeper shared wound. i’m thinking shared wounds are really no solution at all. Imposing shared wounds as 'solution' is not really a solution at all.

These MASS , Collective we are one paradigms however completely dismiss the processes of the individual all 7 billion of them and skips to a sort of superficial bandaid for everyone.

Please look at this word IN-Divide (ual) and let open a whole path of exploration AND experience for you for you.

It is obvious to our poor bare eyes that we are not ‘one’. Not yet. Our work hasn’t hardly even begun to be initiated on an individual level to come anywhere close to ‘one.’ ‘mass’ collective.

These notions are found in deeper exploration and are found collectively in deeply wounded place that humans actually do collectively share. The paradigm of living in a shared state of woundedness is decidedly unappealing. The one thing we do all share is a basic similar template but those are all different too. We’d not know that though unless we got back to an exploration of our origins.

A mass collectively expression of a wound is no solution at all.

I have questions for people who promote that sort of thing.

Are you willing and have the resources to delve in the formative constructs of every individual on earth, and piece together what went wrong with them on a personal level not only in this life but others?

Do you have the ability to know their basic template even if it differs from yours?

Do you have the time energy and resources to do that? Does anyone?

Looked at from that scope can we still say we are one. A mass, a collective when the individual experiences are so varied there’s seldom a common thread to even imply oneness.

Still think of it as a solution ? Seem easier if the solution were on an individual level?

With individual explorations nothing external is needed. With collective ones which don't examine the problem, external contrivances that don't exist are required. Rays of light, photon belts, galatic alignments and of course everyone else to make up the 'we are one' paradigm.

This is refusal to see people on an individual level pushing our ‘we are one ‘ or mass and collective agenda when it should be fairly obvious we all come from different cultures, religions, family structures, genetics, races, generations, morphological structure and influences, and differing but basic templates.

How our environments, inwards and outwards have influenced us—all alternative life paradigms—all of this constantly redirects us closer to a solution because we more clearly see the problem. This creates an individual experience for everyone not just in this life but other lives. How our influences of other existences we may be experiencing right now are influencing this one. No two experience life (lives) the same way . Mass collective or we are one collectivism is no solution at all but an illness. One does not see it as a problem until one clearly understands the problem though.

It is a vaguely defined goal point but do we ever stop and ask ourselves WHY we want such a goal? There’s a whole lot of answers towards a solution when we pause and ask ourselves that.

That sort of solution stops before its even begun with the first individual this is not a blanket cure it stops with the with the first individual that the solution does not address—on an individual levels. One puts a ill defined and illusionary collective over the living breathing individual. That is no solution. That is not even approaching a collective solution if one person is left out of the equation.

Face it we can be free unto ourselves if we approached this the correct way but not EVERY one will be free, even the most enlightened people I know are not free, until everyone is. Because no matter how far you skid up the ladder someone else, another individual is always waiting to impose their taxes, their moral decay, their illusions onto you.

Individuals yes and the whole path ways should be addressed as such but we are not islands unto ourselves. Unfortunately this blanket we are one collective solution forces others into islands unto themselves to preserve what little freedoms they have earned for themselves.

Yes we have a basic template, some are different, some have variances to them, but their pretty basic. The same way a vehicle will have a chassis and a body and an engine. One will see that where our commonality ends at that basic template, because generational influences on all facets of ourselves have been influenced, fashioned and forged differently—individually. A model T is much different now than a Ford F 150. Their both still Fords though. What drives the vehicle is individual to the make and model. One has four cylinders the other six. This is where we are one, or the ‘mass or collective’ conditioning starts and stops---far short of a solution.

If we were still at our basic template no solution would be needed at all.

Nothing will be achieved on a collective or mass basis until all individuals have addressed their far reaching inner formations. Good bad or indifferent. They will still remain individuals that have come to a commonly shared awareness.

. Heart centered teachings do very little good for those who cannot access it and the reason they cannot access heart centered expressions is because the problem has not been explored to its depths, let alone solved because the problem is not understood in our haste to rush to a solution. Heart centered does not examine the mental body, the problem solving aspect that is a very important aspect of ourselves.

Without comprehensive examination of the problem which spans thousands of years, it is childish to think some collective solution waits. Nor is it the ‘solution’ that is in error, its people’s failure to explore the problem before providing a solution that will fail just like a plethora of them just recently failed on dark black Friday.

There is a REASON that the shamans, medicine people, and druids studied for DECADES in order to use basic tools of self exploration and self-excavation of genetics, dna, morphic resonance, and our origins. These people will ask you first question where do you come from? And if you do not know how to answer that question in any way shape or form, physically, psychologically, environmentally and how any one of those three shaped you good, bad or indifferent one is then compelled to take that journey inward. One is most certainly not qualified to provide a solution if that exploration has not been made and its fairly easy once one is on their own journey to see who has and who just talks about superficial solutions that exist only as thoughts to keep the mind tied up and away from the inner informational foundations.

If one cannot see this life is a series of reincarnation events I’d have to say that the solution on an external level is pretty far off. But very basically you are not the same person you were when you were a child. You don’t have the same life.

Love does not cure everything it is driving force of the creation matrix not the matrix itself.

Vivek has yet another fine thread on creation matrix concerning our origins . Reflecting on that and what it means to YOU the individual is, the ONE Of many is where one can start etching the bare sketchings of a solution. Understanding the creation matrix helps us to understand the dark side of the matrix that we all seem to want to escape from.

I notice that these sorts of threads are not often inhabited which leads me to suppose the people haven’t even gone through this varied processes that have been built on the collective template. Yet for some reason feel qualified to impose a solution. You can't have the solution until the problem has been explored indepth on the individual level.

Without a comprehensive examination of the template, and what was built from it here is no sure identification of the problem. Let alone a solution.

A solution that inevitably has to be worked out in another life time, one is putting a ball and chain on themselves now to impeded another experience.

Without at least an abstract understanding of our origins, and how we have been shaped, and formed to our current state of existence, there is no solution in the present.

I see people not understanding and misusing tools that help us with this inner exploration. Tarot, numerology, astrology, and kabbalah to name a few. . These are not meant to be used as singular disciplines but used together lend a comprehensive guideline to our origins, our genetic structures, our psyche structures, and what paths they have taken us down previously. Superimpositional tools. If one picks up a numerology chart without superimposing it over the companion disciples one is further corrupting themselves not arriving closer to a solution. The use of companion discliplines gives a MULTI DIMENSIONAL LOOK at the problem.

Bottom line there has been great psychic trauma imposed on humanity. Accumulative trauma that tends to attract more conditions of trauma experiences. Removing our traumas one by one and exploring how they got there, how they were imposed on us and then releasing them not just in this life time but in others. Ancestrally we are connected to our own past. . If you have haven’t removed Aunt Betty’s trauma imposed on her when she was in a concentration camp you are no more closer to a solution than Aunt Betty was.

Removing all that gets us down to where we collectively suffered this trauma, and then beyond is where we find that solution. Then we can say that we took our individual journeys there and arrived at somewhat of the same place back down at the basic template. You won’t know it till you go there on your individual journey.

One knows the basic template again. One then can decide what experiences can be leveraged away, and ones that can be kept or a fuller existence.

The likelihood that 7.2 billion people will do this is marginally slim. That is no reason for the individual to refuse that journey even if they can't drag along a collective set of companions.

If had taken that journey with others I would be formed merely by their opinions which are marginally less than what I really am.

Instead I see gurus saying to get rid of your memories they aren’t yours. Because they aren't yours doesn't mean you need to shed it particularly if it provides to you some sort of knowledge that you will progress by.

Ignore it all and think about being a quantum being instead of using the tools that allow you to experience your quantumness. Express it on a living level.

Removing life times of trauma helps us to get closer to collectively share trauma and beyond that to see basic template. If people had used their tools and honored the sacredness of them astrology wouldn’t have misled them because the sister disciplines would have directed one much deeper than what the stars told on the surface. I wouldn’t the least pay attention to an astrologist who was not a numerologist who was not a witness to the tree of life who was not an adept at tarot. They are only giving one facet of a much larger picture.

These are the tools that meant for employment on the collective level.

Nailing down that universal trauma in that wounded place where shared that trauma is the basis of ‘we are one, and collective and mass philosophies. That people keep insisting we recreate these scenariors --- we are one scenarios, mass collections, mass solutions—herd animal mentalities—is what keeps us from advancing.

We see this re-enacted out daily with people trying to stay in that trauma ‘as one’ ‘mass’ collective’ umbrella solutions instead of taking the individual journey inwards alone. Our mass ascensions and mass awakenings and 'we are one' yearnings are reflections of that shared mass trauma. A wound. Solutions sprung from that are simply imposing more psychic trauma on each other.

It says I don't want to be lonely anymore.

That is a solution?

People who tell me they don’t have to mediate or use tools or employ steady mental displines but thus think they are defined to offer a solution? Should I let them give me a kidney transplant to. Where did they learn the mechanics of the matrix if not through disciplining themselves through the mechanics of the creation matrix?

Only because after all these long lonely centuries we have resided in this collective ‘we are one’ wound so it is merely familiar to us. Do we not even question WHY mass , collective, we are one paradigms are so important to us? Is milling about in a mass wound even though we are not alone and its familiar our most exceptional outcome we can expect for ourselves?

That redefines our limitations and shows us again how easily we are led by limited expressions.

In the collective I see a lot of people who don’t even have the recall of generational memories, morphic resonances, that could provide some answers to them. People who don’t have the basic skills to meter them. People who lack active listening skills, active observational skills. People who practice astrology without sister companions that would form healthy foundations from their explorations. . That doesn’t show the path it merely expresses how the path was formed. That is further corruption and confusion not enlightenment.

I do see some few people with a complex or even abstract deep understanding of facets of the problem. The Horus Ra thread, there is a facet of the problem, Viveks most exceptional exploration of Origins. That thread is particularly not well inhabited, his threads seldom are but for the few people who are exploring the problem to the extent they are well rounded enough to start casting SOLUTIONS (plural) but it does lend great bearing on how events would occur that are defined in the Horus Ra thread.

If you do not know where you came from and how you were formed over the incomprehensible span of time it took to bring you to this point in time how can we say we understand the problem enough to provide a solution. If we are not using the rather simple tools of exploration and excavation there is no blanket solution. No mass solution, no mass awakenings, no mass , collective arrivals if the departure has not yet occurred.

You cannot fix nor provide a solution if one is not fuly comprehending the problem starting on the individual level. This means you have to fully comprehend the problems stretching back through time of each individual .

Far easier me thinks to allow the individual to process what they find in their own journeys and not impeded them with bandaid solutions that would tempt and distract them away from that all important search for the basic template.

A surge of energy qualifies a person not.

[Mozart]

Far easier me thinks to allow the individual to process what they find in their own journeys and not impeded them with bandaid solutions that would tempt and distract them away from that all important search for the basic template.



Wow, 9eagle9, what a post. I really admire your deep mind.


I'd love to carry on this discussion in this thread, but I'm just too busy with too many things that I need to do, so I hope to carry on this discussion someday soon when I have more time.

[Youniverse]

Whew! I'm gonna read the rest of that from 9eagle9 when I get the chnace, ha ha. I like what I did read though! The idea you expressed about love being the driving force, not the matrix itself, sounds consistent with my experience and also with what teachers like Eckhart Tolle has said. Tolle descibes love as the 'river', that flows to the source or All That Is.

[goinghome2012]

I was somewhat disappointed , I really wanted a profound incident to happen to everyone on planet Mother earth, not just me

dec 21, 2012 for me was very beautiful, enlightened experience and full of love, i was hoping something would happen that would have affected all on planet mother Earth

what i do know something has changed i feel lighter, higher vibration, more connected to love and God and peace

I feel empowered, but now what next

i feel we are in the 4th dimension and theres a war between fear and love right now, we are at the tipping point. they really want this new world order implemented; they will fail of course


will we co-create heaven on Earth or will we let the dark forces destroy the world with fear and ignorance

have we finished the long count 26,000 year cycle of the Fall and now the 10,000 year cycle of the Golden Age begins or does that happen in march 21, 2013

i just thought something more profound were to happen to bring in the next cycle, like a pole shift or a solar burst of some sort

i thought for sure some event would happen

George Kavissillas , Dan Winter, James Horak, Drunvalo, Pane Anevov and countless others were saying the same thing, omega point was approaching

then i was thinking what Phil Sneider said in one of his videos before he got killed, he stated that TPTB had plans to kill off the population and decrease it to 500 million by 2017, i was wondering about this and then i met another man from Squamish, BC, he was a Native Chief Indian and he said there was going to be a world earthquake by 2017

so who knows now, there was so much disinfo out there it is very confusing, perhaps the Mayans are a few years out or the real doom is in 2013

TPTB are very tricky and wanted to make everyone think the end was 2012 but why? fear vs love again

they were very strategic just before dec 21, 2012 with the MKULTRA killing of those children bringing fear, depression and anger before this dec 21, 2012 date

blessings and spread the love and peace

[Wind]

Now that I have had some time to think I'm actually starting to sense that we are indeed in the midst of something, but I won't anymore trust dates or jump to hasty conclusions. Dec 21 was just a date, nothing more. I still know that humanity has a bright future ahead. What we think we will create.

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

[Mulder]

(I apologize for not contributing to this thread but) I gotta tell you RMorgan you're like my brother from another mother. Almost every time I read your posts I agree with what you say. This is one of my (somewhat cheesy) "I love Avalon" moments; we're two different people, we're from two vastly different cultures and we've walked two different paths in life. Yet we've arrived at the same place and with the same beliefs.

What a great thing to say especially around Christmas time. I wish more people would say kind things instead of fighting/trolling...

[we-R-one]

Why are we so attached to the We Are One , Collective, Mass Ascension and Awakenings and the assorted fluff and powder that go with them.

Before a solution is provided one would think a very deep exploration of this paradigm that so many are attached to not only in Christian philosophies but the New age ones as well.

I tis actually a symptom of much deeper wound.

Elevating a collective wound as enlightenment is hardly what I call a solution.

An individual who is so strongly sure of themselves that they can live in harmoniously with others in a collective sense.

Wounded people all flung together in a tangle gasping they are one? That's an achievement?

Which sounds more appealing?

When approached on an individual level we can have achievements. This collective mind trap we have offers pie in the sky goals with no measureable collective progress.

Without a thorough understanding of the problem a blanket solution is no solution at all because we are individuals forged that way not only by this life time’s experiences but the experiences of other lives. By the experiences of other people, even that we have had imposed on us morphologically speaking we come to understand other lives are someone elses lives. If one studies the tarot that is a realization (not a solution) that one comes to.

Energy surges were not a solution nor heralded a solution but people milled all over the place gasping something must be about to happen. It did. Energy surged.

People gasped that the planets were all in alignment. and so they did. Now they are no longer in alignment so obviously that was no solution.


Solutions are not on collective levels only on individual levels for that reason. YOu can have a meaningless goal that stays in the heart or you can have progression that is expressed in one's physical life.

We have all just witnessed the failure of scores of blanket solutions based on collectivism, oneness, mass awakening. The event itself is one of mass awareness, if one doesn’t immediately retreat into denial, or petulance because their expectations were dashed. Blame the collective for that the individual didn't make any such promise. The individual has been taken out of the equation. Unfortunately mass , we are one, anything is going to fail because the collective is composed of…individuals.

There are far few people who have worked on core values stemming from this life time that allow entry into this deeper inner explorations where we arrive closer at a ‘solution’—let alone the deeper ‘out of ourselves’ experience.

This is where the mass ascension and mass awakening fables come from in the first place with the misplaced intention that we are somehow One in a 3d realm where the function of being individual in a cooperative way is the only basis of not only survival but evolution.

It is a basically a symptom of a deeper wound. Self loathing.

Below that is an even deeper shared wound. i’m thinking shared wounds are really no solution at all. Imposing shared wounds as 'solution' is not really a solution at all.

These MASS , Collective we are one paradigms however completely dismiss the processes of the individual all 7 billion of them and skips to a sort of superficial bandaid for everyone.

Please look at this word IN-Divide (ual) and let open a whole path of exploration AND experience for you for you.

It is obvious to our poor bare eyes that we are not ‘one’. Not yet. Our work hasn’t hardly even begun to be initiated on an individual level to come anywhere close to ‘one.’ ‘mass’ collective.

These notions are found in deeper exploration and are found collectively in deeply wounded place that humans actually do collectively share. The paradigm of living in a shared state of woundedness is decidedly unappealing. The one thing we do all share is a basic similar template but those are all different too. We’d not know that though unless we got back to an exploration of our origins.

A mass collectively expression of a wound is no solution at all.

I have questions for people who promote that sort of thing.

Are you willing and have the resources to delve in the formative constructs of every individual on earth, and piece together what went wrong with them on a personal level not only in this life but others?

Do you have the ability to know their basic template even if it differs from yours?

Do you have the time energy and resources to do that? Does anyone?

Looked at from that scope can we still say we are one. A mass, a collective when the individual experiences are so varied there’s seldom a common thread to even imply oneness.

Still think of it as a solution ? Seem easier if the solution were on an individual level?

With individual explorations nothing external is needed. With collective ones which don't examine the problem, external contrivances that don't exist are required. Rays of light, photon belts, galatic alignments and of course everyone else to make up the 'we are one' paradigm.

This is refusal to see people on an individual level pushing our ‘we are one ‘ or mass and collective agenda when it should be fairly obvious we all come from different cultures, religions, family structures, genetics, races, generations, morphological structure and influences, and differing but basic templates.

How our environments, inwards and outwards have influenced us—all alternative life paradigms—all of this constantly redirects us closer to a solution because we more clearly see the problem. This creates an individual experience for everyone not just in this life but other lives. How our influences of other existences we may be experiencing right now are influencing this one. No two experience life (lives) the same way . Mass collective or we are one collectivism is no solution at all but an illness. One does not see it as a problem until one clearly understands the problem though.

It is a vaguely defined goal point but do we ever stop and ask ourselves WHY we want such a goal? There’s a whole lot of answers towards a solution when we pause and ask ourselves that.

That sort of solution stops before its even begun with the first individual this is not a blanket cure it stops with the with the first individual that the solution does not address—on an individual levels. One puts a ill defined and illusionary collective over the living breathing individual. That is no solution. That is not even approaching a collective solution if one person is left out of the equation.

Face it we can be free unto ourselves if we approached this the correct way but not EVERY one will be free, even the most enlightened people I know are not free, until everyone is. Because no matter how far you skid up the ladder someone else, another individual is always waiting to impose their taxes, their moral decay, their illusions onto you.

Individuals yes and the whole path ways should be addressed as such but we are not islands unto ourselves. Unfortunately this blanket we are one collective solution forces others into islands unto themselves to preserve what little freedoms they have earned for themselves.

Yes we have a basic template, some are different, some have variances to them, but their pretty basic. The same way a vehicle will have a chassis and a body and an engine. One will see that where our commonality ends at that basic template, because generational influences on all facets of ourselves have been influenced, fashioned and forged differently—individually. A model T is much different now than a Ford F 150. Their both still Fords though. What drives the vehicle is individual to the make and model. One has four cylinders the other six. This is where we are one, or the ‘mass or collective’ conditioning starts and stops---far short of a solution.

If we were still at our basic template no solution would be needed at all.

Nothing will be achieved on a collective or mass basis until all individuals have addressed their far reaching inner formations. Good bad or indifferent. They will still remain individuals that have come to a commonly shared awareness.

. Heart centered teachings do very little good for those who cannot access it and the reason they cannot access heart centered expressions is because the problem has not been explored to its depths, let alone solved because the problem is not understood in our haste to rush to a solution. Heart centered does not examine the mental body, the problem solving aspect that is a very important aspect of ourselves.

Without comprehensive examination of the problem which spans thousands of years, it is childish to think some collective solution waits. Nor is it the ‘solution’ that is in error, its people’s failure to explore the problem before providing a solution that will fail just like a plethora of them just recently failed on dark black Friday.

There is a REASON that the shamans, medicine people, and druids studied for DECADES in order to use basic tools of self exploration and self-excavation of genetics, dna, morphic resonance, and our origins. These people will ask you first question where do you come from? And if you do not know how to answer that question in any way shape or form, physically, psychologically, environmentally and how any one of those three shaped you good, bad or indifferent one is then compelled to take that journey inward. One is most certainly not qualified to provide a solution if that exploration has not been made and its fairly easy once one is on their own journey to see who has and who just talks about superficial solutions that exist only as thoughts to keep the mind tied up and away from the inner informational foundations.

If one cannot see this life is a series of reincarnation events I’d have to say that the solution on an external level is pretty far off. But very basically you are not the same person you were when you were a child. You don’t have the same life.

Love does not cure everything it is driving force of the creation matrix not the matrix itself.

Vivek has yet another fine thread on creation matrix concerning our origins . Reflecting on that and what it means to YOU the individual is, the ONE Of many is where one can start etching the bare sketchings of a solution. Understanding the creation matrix helps us to understand the dark side of the matrix that we all seem to want to escape from.

I notice that these sorts of threads are not often inhabited which leads me to suppose the people haven’t even gone through this varied processes that have been built on the collective template. Yet for some reason feel qualified to impose a solution. You can't have the solution until the problem has been explored indepth on the individual level.

Without a comprehensive examination of the template, and what was built from it here is no sure identification of the problem. Let alone a solution.

A solution that inevitably has to be worked out in another life time, one is putting a ball and chain on themselves now to impeded another experience.

Without at least an abstract understanding of our origins, and how we have been shaped, and formed to our current state of existence, there is no solution in the present.

I see people not understanding and misusing tools that help us with this inner exploration. Tarot, numerology, astrology, and kabbalah to name a few. . These are not meant to be used as singular disciplines but used together lend a comprehensive guideline to our origins, our genetic structures, our psyche structures, and what paths they have taken us down previously. Superimpositional tools. If one picks up a numerology chart without superimposing it over the companion disciples one is further corrupting themselves not arriving closer to a solution. The use of companion discliplines gives a MULTI DIMENSIONAL LOOK at the problem.

Bottom line there has been great psychic trauma imposed on humanity. Accumulative trauma that tends to attract more conditions of trauma experiences. Removing our traumas one by one and exploring how they got there, how they were imposed on us and then releasing them not just in this life time but in others. Ancestrally we are connected to our own past. . If you have haven’t removed Aunt Betty’s trauma imposed on her when she was in a concentration camp you are no more closer to a solution than Aunt Betty was.

Removing all that gets us down to where we collectively suffered this trauma, and then beyond is where we find that solution. Then we can say that we took our individual journeys there and arrived at somewhat of the same place back down at the basic template. You won’t know it till you go there on your individual journey.

One knows the basic template again. One then can decide what experiences can be leveraged away, and ones that can be kept or a fuller existence.

The likelihood that 7.2 billion people will do this is marginally slim. That is no reason for the individual to refuse that journey even if they can't drag along a collective set of companions.

If had taken that journey with others I would be formed merely by their opinions which are marginally less than what I really am.

Instead I see gurus saying to get rid of your memories they aren’t yours. Because they aren't yours doesn't mean you need to shed it particularly if it provides to you some sort of knowledge that you will progress by.

Ignore it all and think about being a quantum being instead of using the tools that allow you to experience your quantumness. Express it on a living level.

Removing life times of trauma helps us to get closer to collectively share trauma and beyond that to see basic template. If people had used their tools and honored the sacredness of them astrology wouldn’t have misled them because the sister disciplines would have directed one much deeper than what the stars told on the surface. I wouldn’t the least pay attention to an astrologist who was not a numerologist who was not a witness to the tree of life who was not an adept at tarot. They are only giving one facet of a much larger picture.

These are the tools that meant for employment on the collective level.

Nailing down that universal trauma in that wounded place where shared that trauma is the basis of ‘we are one, and collective and mass philosophies. That people keep insisting we recreate these scenariors --- we are one scenarios, mass collections, mass solutions—herd animal mentalities—is what keeps us from advancing.

We see this re-enacted out daily with people trying to stay in that trauma ‘as one’ ‘mass’ collective’ umbrella solutions instead of taking the individual journey inwards alone. Our mass ascensions and mass awakenings and 'we are one' yearnings are reflections of that shared mass trauma. A wound. Solutions sprung from that are simply imposing more psychic trauma on each other.

It says I don't want to be lonely anymore.

That is a solution?

People who tell me they don’t have to mediate or use tools or employ steady mental displines but thus think they are defined to offer a solution? Should I let them give me a kidney transplant to. Where did they learn the mechanics of the matrix if not through disciplining themselves through the mechanics of the creation matrix?

Only because after all these long lonely centuries we have resided in this collective ‘we are one’ wound so it is merely familiar to us. Do we not even question WHY mass , collective, we are one paradigms are so important to us? Is milling about in a mass wound even though we are not alone and its familiar our most exceptional outcome we can expect for ourselves?

That redefines our limitations and shows us again how easily we are led by limited expressions.

In the collective I see a lot of people who don’t even have the recall of generational memories, morphic resonances, that could provide some answers to them. People who don’t have the basic skills to meter them. People who lack active listening skills, active observational skills. People who practice astrology without sister companions that would form healthy foundations from their explorations. . That doesn’t show the path it merely expresses how the path was formed. That is further corruption and confusion not enlightenment.

I do see some few people with a complex or even abstract deep understanding of facets of the problem. The Horus Ra thread, there is a facet of the problem, Viveks most exceptional exploration of Origins. That thread is particularly not well inhabited, his threads seldom are but for the few people who are exploring the problem to the extent they are well rounded enough to start casting SOLUTIONS (plural) but it does lend great bearing on how events would occur that are defined in the Horus Ra thread.

If you do not know where you came from and how you were formed over the incomprehensible span of time it took to bring you to this point in time how can we say we understand the problem enough to provide a solution. If we are not using the rather simple tools of exploration and excavation there is no blanket solution. No mass solution, no mass awakenings, no mass , collective arrivals if the departure has not yet occurred.

You cannot fix nor provide a solution if one is not fuly comprehending the problem starting on the individual level. This means you have to fully comprehend the problems stretching back through time of each individual .

Far easier me thinks to allow the individual to process what they find in their own journeys and not impeded them with bandaid solutions that would tempt and distract them away from that all important search for the basic template.

A surge of energy qualifies a person not.

I’m going to respond to this post, as it’s apparent you’re referring to myself and comments about “The Solution” thread I made reference to in post # 72. First I’d like to offer you my deepest apologies for offending you with the posting of “The Solution”, which can be found here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52810-The-Solution-Is-In-Full-Swing-Are-You-On-Board

You know, I have come to the conclusion that it would have made no difference what I said or how I posted, where I obtained the information, which sources I came up with, etc., etc… it would never satisfy all and it most definitely would never satisfy you. Some people don’t want solutions, but would rather complain about the inefficiencies of others.

As I’ve stated before I’m more interested in those who back their statements with science than just a personal opinion. We all have opinions, but that’s all they are….opinions. “The Solution” thread is not my idea, I am merely a messenger; all I did was piece the work of others in a format that was easy to understand and follow. Additionally I asked a few to post their personal experiences as I found them to be relevant to the topic. I don’t think they would have agreed if they didn’t approve of the material. Based on your comments, you give the impression that you do not understand the science behind belief systems or Epigenetics and how they affect our environment. I would be most interested if you could identify any scientific data that supports your opinion in the above post? If you feel the information on that thread is inaccurate than by all means let’s fix it, but only if you can supply something of substance that supports your claim.

Please explain your comment below as the studies behind “collective” thinking do not agree with your assessment. In fact there appears to be more proof to the contrary. So do you have access to information that says otherwise and supports your “opinion”?


“This collective mind trap we have offers pie in the sky goals with no measurable progress”

Why would discount the work of others that’s supported with scientific data? It says to me, that you are either not familiar with the studies and/or, not familiar with the concept behind Holographic Universe, which I’m find hard to believe. Did you even completely read the first post and watch the videos on that thread?

Most disappointing and hurtful was your last remark,


“A surge of energy qualifies a person not”

You’re obviously making reference to my kundalini experience and I find your comment uncalled for and offensive. Qualifies a person for what? Who is asking to be qualified for anything? It was given as an example of a heart-centered process. It has nothing to do about being qualified for anything. The point being….the experience demonstrates that humanity is taking a more heart-centered approach when handling difficult situations, something that use to be a common occurrence amongst the human race according to the old Gnostic teachings. There’s so much wrong with your post and quite honestly I don’t feel like wasting my energy picking it apart as it will accomplish nothing.

Whether you like it or not, you're a part of the same energy field as the rest of us, which is why, people make reference to the we-R-one concept you seem to loathe. “The Solution” is taking place and it’s very apparent for those of us who are paying attention to fellow Avalonian’s posts, as well as reference to the studies listed on that thread- all which are demonstrating that this process is taking place. These are organic experiences - what more could you ask for? They’re not coming from books, they’re not happening because those of us are trained masters, and they’re most definitely not happening because some guru told us it was "so". This is a slow progression that’s taking shape before our very eyes, this is the beginning stages of a changing reality, not an overnight flip.

Below are some quotes from Gregg Braden that reaffirm my points in more ways than one:

"...Through our hearts we literally have the power to influence the very fields of this planet that sustain life in the world, sustain the health and the healing and the well being of our bodies and it's all about the magnetic fields of the earth."


"Human emotions specifically the magnetic fields produced by the human heart during certain kinds of emotion that now are documented as extending far beyond our bodies into the physical world and now to such a degree that our satellites hundreds of miles above the surface are able to pick these up.

This has led to a number of studies now, showing that when a certain number of people come together and they choose in the moment of time to create a precise emotion in their hearts, that that emotion literally can intentionally influence the very fields that sustain the life on planet earth. These fields, are now implicated in everything from the immune response of humans throughout the planet, climate, weather patterns, cycles of war in peace, our ability to solve problems, our cognitive abilities, all of these as different as they sound from one another are all linked to our relationship to the magnetic fields of the earth. So what makes this so beautiful is every human on the planet is linked to the field, but not every human on the planet has to be consciously aware of their relationship to benefit from what a relatively few number of people come to understand.

And the bottom line is this, when we choose to feel feelings that create what is called coherence in our bodies, coherence is the language, the quality of language between our heart and our brain, certain kinds of heart based experiences such as appreciation, gratitude, forgiveness, care, compassion. Those are the ancient understandings that have always been taught in the truest traditions of our past and now our own science is finding that those same traditions are now documenting this very real effect in our hearts. When we can feel those feelings in our bodies they're mirrored in the field and everyone benefits from the experience of relatively few."

"The human heart is now documented as the strongest generator of both the electrical and magnetic fields in the body."

"And it appears now, that the human heart is designed to do both, to change both the electrical field and the magnetic field of our bodies and our world and they do so in response to the emotions that we create between our heart and our brain."

"When we create the feelings of what we choose to experience in our lives, everything from conscious choices of the perfect relationship, or abundance in our lives, or the healing in our bodies or the healing in the bodies of our loved ones, that those feelings are creating the patterns of magnetic and electrical field in our hearts, that are literally rearranging the stuff of this quantum soup, this quantum essence, allowing the pattern of what we have claimed in our hearts to become manifest in the world around us. So it's less about attracting from a scientific perspective and more about consciously creating the template within us knowing that the stuff of the universe will congeal around that template in the world around us to simply mirror, reflect what we've claimed."

[TargeT]

If you do not know where you came from and how you were formed over the incomprehensible span of time it took to bring you to this point in time how can we say we understand the problem.

Well you pegged me, I couldn't think of a better way to summarize this individual than just that. The frustrating thing for me is I can see how I quite often latch onto offered "ideas" (solutions?) probably from an obvious desire to understand, quantify and work to fix any given subject (masculine trait I think).

You tend to wax verbose when chiding the (arrogantly?) blind masses, and I am glad for the inspiration it gives you. I think if we can just keep tossing gross corruptions, false idols, guru's & channeled "love and light" in front of you I may piece together enough from your responses to perhaps understand a bit more of what is needed (apparently) for the real work that needs done.


self (and past life) understanding & trauma resolution (a topic you have touched on many times before) seem to be the actionable items from your post as well as warnings of focusing too deeply on any one thing to the neglect of others (I think this can be taken further than just tools such as numerology/astrology tarot etc.. but those tools are often used to shape life choices so I can see how they would corrupt "more" when used incorrectly).

and of course, the main point that jumping to a solution when you haven't even seen the problem is not helpful.

is that a fairly (more concise) understanding of what you were getting at?

if so, what is a good place to start, simple meditation & mind discipline exercises? I know I have a lot to over come, a friend of mine recently told me that he helps people in his dream (something about going to the golden light and not the white light) and he knows his past lives (he was a civil war consumer?? what ever that is) and I just roll my eyes; though only because it is such a foreign concept to me that I cannot relate with what he is trying to tell me.

[RUSirius]

If you do not know where you came from and how you were formed over the incomprehensible span of time it took to bring you to this point in time how can we say we understand the problem.

Well you pegged me, the main point that jumping to a solution when you haven't even seen the problem is not helpful.



I too am "pegged" I dont claim to remember anything at all, its quite frustrating most times, I remember Amandapoet saying a few days back, its like something being on the tip of your tongue but you just cant taste it. It fully escapes my reality. Sometimes between my "real" life and my "dream" life, I say to my self, this is so silly, what is the point? A bunch of nonsense can sum up quite a bit.

[9eagle9]

Its super that people's magnetic fields stretch into infinity and love is the strongest power of all.

And yes that is true.

What has it fixed? If those already pre existing conditions are the solution why is the world still in the moral decay that its in still now? These are not new conditions. They seem new because this life experience is new to us. Becoming aware of those conditions don't fix anything. Experiencing those conditions really doesn't solve anything.


Those conditions have been thus since time out of mind so apparently its not a solution. There is the human condition and there is the human experience two different articles. That is human condition.

It' cut and paste meme that has been observed in many new age and spiritual since the 60's. It's a collage of collective images that has been recycled down through the ages and then added on to when it has repeatedly failed as a solution. It is actually part of the problem until people begin to transcend the collective.

And sees that it does not address the individual where the individual needs to be addressed at.

Again my question has not been answered.

What of the individuals who cannot experience the heart center? You can't make them feel their way there. If that solution does not address that then it is no solution at all. It stops and starts with the first individual it failed because the entire problem has been overlooked. It then serves to divide. How do YOU get them to the point that they can accept something of that nature?

Along with the fluff and powder that failed with collective impositions is positive thinking, (we don't think with our emotional bodies) and heart centered teachings. The heart provides an energy to drive the solution, it is not the solution itself. The heart is not a thinker it's a feeler. To be more correct, heart centered thinking and teaching means that the emotional body is thinking. Emotional bodies do not think nor are qualified to provide solutions. They are qualified to drive a solution once a solution has been found.

It's not personal. If you have made this personal then your solution failed you. You are not your solution though.

It may be personal to you.

It may even be your problem
.
Your solution may become so personal to you that it becomes the problem.

It may be YOUR solution as an individual.

I'd say if you are making assumptions and taking it personally you may not be qualified to offer a solution to everyone. If you have not applied this solution to yourself and I suspect that you have not if I you are making assumptions then your solution has failed you.

If you can't examine that without taking it personally you can't accept the individual and without the individual your solution will fail. It then becomes a philosophy of division.

Neither am I rejecting your solution. The work yet has not been done to allow the conditions for it to BE a solution, and the work that need to be done was not included in your solution.

Because the problem is inside us.

But then again so is the solution.

[WhiteFeather]

If you do not know where you came from and how you were formed over the incomprehensible span of time it took to bring you to this point in time how can we say we understand the problem.

Well you pegged me, the main point that jumping to a solution when you haven't even seen the problem is not helpful.



I too am "pegged" I dont claim to remember anything at all, its quite frustrating most times, I remember Amandapoet saying a few days back, its like something being on the tip of your tongue but you just cant taste it. It fully escapes my reality. Sometimes between my "real" life and my "dream" life, I say to my self, this is so silly, what is the point? A bunch of nonsense can sum up quite a bit.

There are some areas on this planet where you can spend some time in nature with the company of elders who perhaps could assist you. Some known as Shamans. Just a thought.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hey folks,

Well, after literally hundreds of threads about December 21th 2012, I was expecting this forum to be very agitated by now, since the date has passed and nothing abnormal happened.

Instead, Project Avalon is silent...Sometimes silence can be more meaningful than words.

Ascension didn´t happen, a consciousness shift didn´t happen, the end of the world didn´t happen, and if some of you feel something different, you should consider the possibility of the placebo effect.

So, I´m really curious about what are you feeling by now. Do you feel frustrated?

If you do, know that it isn´t entirely your fault. You´re victims of a bunch of dishonest people who explored this date to generate revenue or to earn their fifteen minutes of fame.

However, these folks only made their ways out of anonymity because they had an audience, which includes you.

Anyway, personally, I see this thing as a great opportunity. It´s a good opportunity to review how your belief systems work, to stop being so naive and gullible.

It´s also a great opportunity to finally clean the alternative media and get rid of storytellers, opportunists and con men, who are destroying the alternative community.

It´s a great opportunity to focus on what really matters, which is how are we going to manage fixing our own world, all by ourselves.

Will we, as a collective, learn the lesson this time or will we fall for the next date in order to alienate ourselves from our real responsibilities once again?

So, what do you think? I would really like to read your conclusions about this issue, because these conclusions are extremely important to shape our future.

My best regards,

Raf.


What does and dosent happen is subjective to an individual. When the circus comes to town ot everybody attends for many reasons.

So too is this, a calling to change. In order to feel it one must search inside.

It was never going to be a biblical rapture. The energies are subtle but they are there when you attune your self.

This circus, there are no free rides :-) just ones you deserve through dilligant effort towards wisdom and love.

Naniu

[Freed Fox]

From my limited, yet ever-evolving perspective, I believe the real work that must be done is within oneself. This is not to discount the social, political, and economic problems of the world. These are more like by-products of this learning environment. Affecting positive change in the external realm is an admirable cause, but it can also become a distraction, a trap, a source of dis-empowerment and/or fear. Ultimately, we are born and eventually we die. Creating a utopian Earth will not change this fact.

It is very difficult if not impossible to reduce to one simple idea or goal. Exhibiting love is not the end-all solution but if one can remain centered in such a place, they are bound to produce more positivity in the world around them. We may each be here for different reasons, but in this space between birth and death, we all share in common the capacity to grow and develop spiritually.

[we-R-one]

Its super that people's magnetic fields stretch into infinity and love is the strongest power of all.

And yes that is true.

What has it fixed? If those already pre existing conditions are the solution why is the world still in the moral decay that its in still now? These are not new conditions. They seem new because this life experience is new to us. Becoming aware of those conditions don't fix anything. Experiencing those conditions really doesn't solve anything.


Those conditions have been thus since time out of mind so apparently its not a solution. There is the human condition and there is the human experience two different articles. That is human condition.

It' cut and paste meme that has been observed in many new age and spiritual since the 60's. It's a collage of collective images that has been recycled down through the ages and then added on to when it has repeatedly failed as a solution. It is actually part of the problem until people begin to transcend the collective.

And sees that it does not address the individual where the individual needs to be addressed at.

Again my question has not been answered.

What of the individuals who cannot experience the heart center? You can't make them feel their way there. If that solution does not address that then it is no solution at all. It stops and starts with the first individual it failed because the entire problem has been overlooked. It then serves to divide. How do YOU get them to the point that they can accept something of that nature?

Along with the fluff and powder that failed with collective impositions is positive thinking, (we don't think with our emotional bodies) and heart centered teachings. The heart provides an energy to drive the solution, it is not the solution itself. The heart is not a thinker it's a feeler. To be more correct, heart centered thinking and teaching means that the emotional body is thinking. Emotional bodies do not think nor are qualified to provide solutions. They are qualified to drive a solution once a solution has been found.

It's not personal. If you have made this personal then your solution failed you. You are not your solution though.

It may be personal to you.

It may even be your problem
.
Your solution may become so personal to you that it becomes the problem.

It may be YOUR solution as an individual.

I'd say if you are making assumptions and taking it personally you may not be qualified to offer a solution to everyone. If you have not applied this solution to yourself and I suspect that you have not if I you are making assumptions then your solution has failed you.

If you can't examine that without taking it personally you can't accept the individual and without the individual your solution will fail. It then becomes a philosophy of division.

Neither am I rejecting your solution. The work yet has not been done to allow the conditions for it to BE a solution, and the work that need to be done was not included in your solution.

Because the problem is inside us.

But then again so is the solution.

I’m sorry, where’s the scientific data that backs what you’re proposing? Did I miss it? Since there doesn’t appear to be any, your statements are nothing more than an opinion, the very “fluff” you seem to despise. Your remarks say to me that you did not read the material nor do you have a solid understanding of the content in which you’re referencing. And it’s apparent that those who are thanking your post don’t understand either. Interesting that the resident scientist thanks your post and yet the material within “The Solution”, consists of an organization he touted as fact and had brought to my attention in an earlier thread, which I graciously added to the mix out of respect for him. Seems inconsistent to me, just sayin…Even more amusing as I type this, another member has started a thread in which he’s affirming concepts brought forth within “The Solution” thread and so far, two of the people that thanked your post, are on that thread thanking his post. LMAO….again, noticeable inconsistencies, which says clearly, people are not understanding the content of the material….or could it be we have the usual on-going cases of threads being steered?

You don’t fool me 9eagle9. I see what you do…you take a person’s words and concepts and twist them out of context to suit the reality you want to create in order to discredit the idea, in a manner that most will not catch because they’re not the original author of the material you are criticizing. And though what you project from thought process to paper may appear to be in the proper content, reader beware, as you could be fooled by a ball of “fluff” that only serves the purpose of it's inventor, which is why I will not answer your questions or play into your hand of bait and switch.

It’s apparent to me that you get off on this type of behavior, as you seem to repeat your methods, like a broken record on whomever you choose. I wonder who the next poor soul might be that has to endure your “fluff”.

When you can provide credible studies that counter what I’ve posted on “The Solutions” thread that enforce what you believe to be true, please bring them to my attention; otherwise your input will be regarded as nothing more than opinion, not scientific fact.

[judymoon]

I spent years doing healing work to overcome the trauma of some very damaging childhood experiences. Some work I did with therepists, some with healing groups, some in dreams, and a lot in my own day-to-day concious work.
This healing work was slow and gradual and over the years I became empowered and started to feel whole.
During this time I treated myself to my first ever body massage by a woman healer. During that massage I experienced 'dropping down' into my heart chakra and into a place of peace and stillness beyond my understanding. I believe that place is where my real Self resides. I believe that place exists in all of us. And that nothing can harm it or erase it. That is what we take from body to body and incarnation to incarnation. and that is what exists when we are out of body, and in our true state.
I don't know why I am in a body. I've had many past life memories, so I am not really attached to this body. It will grow old and die like all the rest of them. But the history of this world is a litany of all the awful things one body can do to another. Step out of the body and all trauma falls away.
So, now I believe that all the healing work I did was necessary to relieve the worst effects of trauma on my psyche so I could actually continue with my spiritual work/ growth. That healing work and spiritual work are the same.
My goal is to reexperience that place of peace and stillness in meditation and in waking consiousness.
Its very hard to meditate and /or experience the divine self when you are in fear, self-hatred, or other-hatred. Any tool you use to heal from those negative thought places is a gift to yourself. You really can walk away from the cacaphony and chaos that is the ego based world and find that place of peace and stillness inside.
And connect to that same place inside all others at that moment. In that place we are all one.

[sleepy]

Hey folks,

Well, after literally hundreds of threads about December 21th 2012, I was expecting this forum to be very agitated by now, since the date has passed and nothing abnormal happened.



Well, it seems pretty agitated to me.:popcorn:

[9eagle9]

I didn't provide scientific data this isn't a 'language of science ' problem. Individuals are not sciences. Half of science doesn't even acknowledge half of what makes up a human.

Observing and listening serves better in exploring humanity than science.

It is a problem of humanity. Time, ,energy, genetics, conditioning, cultural, familial influences, environment,and sublte bodies as they interact with a holographic template can't be boiled down to a 'science'. That is division of something that is meant for integration.

Science is only a language to describe pre-existing, alleged natural processes. It is not overly dependable.

I'm pretty sure we don't need to wait for science to tell us there is a problem.

I'm sorry your solution is failing you. But that is through the choices you made.

If you are angry, dissapointed and hurt as you've noted before you might want to see that as a clue that your solution is failing you. The admission that you were hurt by this means either your solution isn't a solution or you haven't practiced your own solution. If you are hurt by a mental process your emotional body is running the show and they are not designed to think or reason.

It EXPRESSES direct evidence that your solution is no solution at all. YOu provided the evidence.

We can't think with our emotional bodies. There's one failure. Science will actually back me up on that.

I do regreat your solution isn't really as much as a solutoin as you'd like to think. You aren't alone in that lot's of people have been recently disappointed by their solutions.

Self exacvation to find the problem comes first. That helps a person find themself. Your solution provides no province for finding ones's self.

There's one zillion and one practices that are not of a scientific nature that can ferret out the problems. Once you do that it the solution is....no longer that import because the problem has been rooted out.

If you want science then chances are you are going to go into Psychological exploration. Emotional and mental bodies, pain body, ego but you can't use that science if one is in a emotional state of upheaval over what they find in the psyche. That causes reaction and denail which aren't solutions either.

I regret that your solution isn't one that is for you at all. Maybe you can find a better solution inside.

Of course I didn't fool you. Your emo body sold you out.

Those are based on the choices you made. Getting to know ourselves a little better helps us to make better choices.





Its super that people's magnetic fields stretch into infinity and love is the strongest power of all.

And yes that is true.

What has it fixed? If those already pre existing conditions are the solution why is the world still in the moral decay that its in still now? These are not new conditions. They seem new because this life experience is new to us. Becoming aware of those conditions don't fix anything. Experiencing those conditions really doesn't solve anything.


Those conditions have been thus since time out of mind so apparently its not a solution. There is the human condition and there is the human experience two different articles. That is human condition.

It' cut and paste meme that has been observed in many new age and spiritual since the 60's. It's a collage of collective images that has been recycled down through the ages and then added on to when it has repeatedly failed as a solution. It is actually part of the problem until people begin to transcend the collective.

And sees that it does not address the individual where the individual needs to be addressed at.

Again my question has not been answered.

What of the individuals who cannot experience the heart center? You can't make them feel their way there. If that solution does not address that then it is no solution at all. It stops and starts with the first individual it failed because the entire problem has been overlooked. It then serves to divide. How do YOU get them to the point that they can accept something of that nature?

Along with the fluff and powder that failed with collective impositions is positive thinking, (we don't think with our emotional bodies) and heart centered teachings. The heart provides an energy to drive the solution, it is not the solution itself. The heart is not a thinker it's a feeler. To be more correct, heart centered thinking and teaching means that the emotional body is thinking. Emotional bodies do not think nor are qualified to provide solutions. They are qualified to drive a solution once a solution has been found.

It's not personal. If you have made this personal then your solution failed you. You are not your solution though.

It may be personal to you.

It may even be your problem
.
Your solution may become so personal to you that it becomes the problem.

It may be YOUR solution as an individual.

I'd say if you are making assumptions and taking it personally you may not be qualified to offer a solution to everyone. If you have not applied this solution to yourself and I suspect that you have not if I you are making assumptions then your solution has failed you.

If you can't examine that without taking it personally you can't accept the individual and without the individual your solution will fail. It then becomes a philosophy of division.

Neither am I rejecting your solution. The work yet has not been done to allow the conditions for it to BE a solution, and the work that need to be done was not included in your solution.

Because the problem is inside us.

But then again so is the solution.

I’m sorry, where’s the scientific data that backs what you’re proposing? Did I miss it? Since there doesn’t appear to be any, your statements are nothing more than an opinion, the very “fluff” you seem to despise. Your remarks say to me that you did not read the material nor do you have a solid understanding of the content in which you’re referencing. And it’s apparent that those who are thanking your post don’t understand either. Interesting that the resident scientist thanks your post and yet the material within “The Solution”, consists of an organization he touted as fact and had brought to my attention in an earlier thread, which I graciously added to the mix out of respect for him. Seems inconsistent to me, just sayin…Even more amusing as I type this, another member has started a thread in which he’s affirming concepts brought forth within “The Solution” thread and so far, two of the people that thanked your post, are on that thread thanking his post. LMAO….again, noticeable inconsistencies, which says clearly, people are not understanding the content of the material….or could it be we have the usual on-going cases of threads being steered?

You don’t fool me 9eagle9. I see what you do…you take a person’s words and concepts and twist them out of context to suit the reality you want to create in order to discredit the idea, in a manner that most will not catch because they’re not the original author of the material you are criticizing. And though what you project from thought process to paper may appear to be in the proper content, reader beware, as you could be fooled by a ball of “fluff” that only serves the purpose of it's inventor, which is why I will not answer your questions or play into your hand of bait and switch.

It’s apparent to me that you get off on this type of behavior, as you seem to repeat your methods, like a broken record on whomever you choose. I wonder who the next poor soul might be that has to endure your “fluff”.

When you can provide credible studies that counter what I’ve posted on “The Solutions” thread that enforce what you believe to be true, please bring them to my attention; otherwise your input will be regarded as nothing more than opinion, not scientific fact.

[music]

I fail to see the utility of expending vast amounts of energy and time in a tit for tat heart vs ego dance. Some are heart centered, some are head centred, and nobody who is still carnate knows it all. Let's try to be transparent with ourselves, and discover exactly what drives us to snipe at each other like we do. There are repeated patterns of this behaviour evident everywhere, not just here, and rest assured that even if we aren't transparent to ourselves, we ceretainly can be to others. This forum, in fact life itself, is not a competition, and we don't need to fight each other to hold some exalted spot in some imagined hierarchy.

And so, we see the value of silence.

[Deega]

Hi,

I don't want to change the subject but I had the pleasure to see today this video of an emerging LIGHT in Brazil. Some have said here that the end of the calendar was probably the beginning of another thing, interesting!

Since Raf is from Brazil, I wonder if he had heard of it, is it a hoax or a real event?


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[Carmen]

Well, after a change of consciousness there is great silence. There is not a lot to say in "Beingness". Change has been going on for quite some time, but if you haven't noticed, you haven't noticed. Change only comes to those who choose it. Free will is always honoured.

[RampartRanger]

I'm pissed nothing happened. I just wanted anything, any sort of "sign" to prove to me and everyone else that the simplified status quo narratives are BS, that there is something more going on than we're being told, and that I'M NOT CRAZY!

But none of that happened. The zombies are still running around like ants in a elephant zoo, they're still gobbling up all the BS ("have you seen that new Zero Dark Thirty movie, OMG they're soooo brave!"), and everyone still thinks I'm crazy that **** on a cave floor. Many of my friends think I'm even crazier now that nothing happened on 12-21-12 as I said something "could" happen (I was never adamant, just open to the idea unlike most everyone else)...they "proved me wrong" somehow since nothing happened.

I must say I feel incredibly foolish for ever believing in anyone who said 12-21-12 would be a huge day for everyone on Earth. Maybe something did happen and we're just not aware of it yet. I'd love that. But needless to say so, so many told people like me, people like us, that 12-21-12 would be a day to remember. For me and everyone else, it seemed like any other damn day of my life...without a single truly extraordinary event that validates any of my "alternative" beliefs.

[Bill Ryan]

I must say I feel incredibly foolish for ever believing in anyone who said 12-21-12 would be a huge day for everyone on Earth.

You're in good company. This from Pane Andov:

23 Dec 2012 passed – Nothing happened? (http://paneandov.com/23-dec-2012-passed-nothing-happened)

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[ Mod-edit: when you go to the above Pane Andov link, you will have to scroll the middle panel in the screen down to see Pane's actual post. - Paul ]

[9eagle9]

If you do not know where you came from and how you were formed over the incomprehensible span of time it took to bring you to this point in time how can we say we understand the problem.

Well you pegged me, I couldn't think of a better way to summarize this individual than just that. The frustrating thing for me is I can see how I quite often latch onto offered "ideas" (solutions?) probably from an obvious desire to understand, quantify and work to fix any given subject (masculine trait I think).



Yes men's emotional bodies are different than womens (gasp!). Women tend to be ruled by the emotional body Men conditioned to lead with the mental body. Both are guilty of allowing the emo body rule them. A dominant mental body creates stress in the opposite way but it still creates stress.

Because the solutions offered are not solutions, some of them are tools for addressing the problem. If the problem is abated by the tool ..it works. Maybe not for everyone. You eat the problem away to ..zero point, and you no longer need a solution because a problem nolonger exists.


Some tools work better for others.

It is a Long process but that is why elders, and shamans and medicine people had to study for decades before they were ever offered even an opportunity to work with others in problem resolution and solutions.

self (and past life) understanding & trauma resolution (a topic you have touched on many times before) seem to be the actionable items from your post as well as warnings of focusing too deeply on any one thing to the neglect of others (I think this can be taken further than just tools such as numerology/astrology tarot etc.. but those tools are often used to shape life choices so I can see how they would corrupt "more" when used incorrectly).


Yes. We get obsessed with one solution and close our minds off to anything else. They and others have to be used in way they superimpose and permeate each other. They are one discpline that was fragmented into different parts so they couldn't be used for enlightenment. That is abuse or corruption of sacred things. One tends to become corrupt (deficient) when one does that.

And then the things you like TargeT . What do words really mean. Negative means...deficient, taken away from, subtracted from, missing even. The word didn't change people corrupted it to suit the new age. People tend to think negative is some sort of evil. It's just lack, maybe lack of an experience that would make us more balanced.

When I talk about sister companion discliplines it helps to clearly define what the problem is, where it came from, if we are repeating the problem actively or passively, and what paths is the problem taking us down. Are we lacking in an experience we didn't know we needed. If we don't know we can't very well be prompted to look for it. Have we had too much of one exeperience. WE don't precisely have to recall the experience ( I was a barmaid in Kenya) we have to only understand how it affects us now.

The discipline part only means you have to sit and do it.

Astrology shows when you entered into this game. What was occuring then in the world. What are alchemically composed and influenced by. Is it balanced, is something negative (missing) too much of something. That gives an idea of what archetypical influences have formed you. Here we have potentials, weakes and strengths. Where the hell did they come from if you are only 1.5 hours old at the time of your natal chart? You came into this existence with them.

These are not solutions they are tools for finding problems. And potentials.

Numerology also relates to birth. Your birthdate, birthname, birthtime, etc etc. This starts to wittle down specifics. Karmas, baggages, defined potentials, and how much has your name changed over the years?

Take those astrological references, and numerological markers and apply them to tarot. Tarot is numeric and each card has a astrological representation. A more detailed scenario of arechetypical or sub archs operating. You read tarot reversed, positive (upright) and negative (the negative influences of the card (deficient). Positive in numerology and tarot doesn't always mean good or okay. It also means too much of like negative means 'too little of or missing'

Know take these numbers and cards and their markers and look them up on Kabbalah tree of life. What paths have you taken (left hand, right hand, balanced).

You get a fairly solid foundation of where to start at. Then you reflect on how some of this stuff is expressing in your life maybe unbeknownst to you.

Not a solution tools for exploring the problem.

Get a shovel. I exprssed that in a very short way its a bit more indepth but its prep for chasing down problems. And potentials. You get better at it the more you do it. It's a mental process, a self reflective process.

Discipline itself has been given a dirty word meaning like its abuse or mean or negative. I'm not very far different from anyone else. If you don't sit and address the piles of bills and paperwork on the desk no progress is made. The trash piles up til I take it out. There's nothing going in the physical world that is not a direct reflection of the non physical realms.


Cognitive chasing. Where are you from? Where are your family origins at? What were there cultures like. Does any of that relate to you, intrique you, stir anything at all . Religions customs, rites, cultural customs, where did you family live at a 100 years ago? How do any of those things influence me now.

and of course, the main point that jumping to a solution when you haven't even seen the problem is not helpful.


No.

is that a fairly (more concise) understanding of what you were getting at?


Yes.

if so, what is a good place to start, simple meditation & mind discipline exercises?

Displining the mind, challenging it. Why is my mind thinking that? Why am I feeling this when I think that?
Is something actually occuring here , a real problem or is it a thought in my head? How much are my thoughts effecting my emotional body?

Same with the emo body. Why am I feeling this. Why does that person get on my nerves? Did they do something to me or is it the way I think about them. Did I allow them to do something to me. Is it me I'm really pissed at?

That sort of inner dialog should take place before you touch companion tools because they will most certainly say something you don't want to hear.

Meditation is presented as clearing the mind, but it also serves to focus on a problem using the above suggestions. Meditation on it' own doesn't do anything but discipline the mind and the emo body.


I know I have a lot to over come, a friend of mine recently told me that he helps people in his dream (something about going to the golden light and not the white light) and he knows his past lives (he was a civil war consumer?? what ever that is) and I just roll my eyes; though only because it is such a foreign concept to me that I cannot relate with what he is trying to tell me.


It may not be as foreign as you think. EVERYONE has a lot to overcome. We have a lot of other life information expressing through us and we are not conscious of it. We are not cognitive of the experience. It typically has something to say in reference to ourselves in the present. Those are what companion disciplines can bring to light. What the core value is to be learned in the life not neccessarily the details.

Self excavation, companion tools to explore what it brings up or to start finding out what the issue is if they are hard to find. Start with this life, self reflection (meditation) . You don't have to be in a zombie delta wave zone to meditate. Accept you have a problem, accept how you feel over the problem,understand how the problem got there. Go to next problem.

This world is part of the holographic univeres. The rules don't just change here because we are here. Things work the same way all over depending on what sort of density one is dealing with.

It takes me one second to break a bowl. It takes me much longer to fix the bowl. I'ts easier to fix if I examine the bowl and see what its composed of. In my experience none of my bowls broken have every been fixed by mass ascension, the opinions of other, Videos, cutting and pasting other peoples teaching about bowls, people sending me love or light, ufo's, extraterrestirals, spiritual gurus, a date, a cosmic ray of light. This is how the physical world reflects back to us the way things really are in unseen realms. Mostly inside of us.

My other life issues were very difficult to nail down because the advice of others would distort it. I only knew that I 'abused' my power. The distortion came from people gasping, Oh my god you abused people. You blew up Atlantis! You were mean!

No. I abused power. Not people. Two different things. More correctly I didn't allow my internal power to sufficently express itself beause of other peoples issues. That is a pattern that kept returning in this life. When I got out of the distortion of other people's opinions who weren't there in the first place to know, it simply meant I was abusing power on a personal level by not allowing it to express in a way that would serve me and others.

Have you ever looked at a part of an engine to fix it and you really just don't know what its about? Meditating and examining it helps doesn't it. The radiator sits there, a hose goes into the engine block, a hose comes in from the reservior, there's six bolts holding it there.

Then you think, I think I can remove that?! That's not a problem. Its just two hoses, and bolts.

Mediation would do that for you. A zombie trance probably wouldn't (smile)

[WhiteFeather]

Now after all the dates came to a closing. We can now work on a consciousness effortlessly and bring in a blissful timeline together for this great planet. Our consciousness is that powerful. I agree it is.

Peace.Love.Unity

We are all from the same tribe.

Vince
XXXOOO

[Sirius White]

I don't understand why you all assume something had to happen one ONE SINGLE DAY.

This is the crux of the human dillema. We are constantly waiting for an event, and expect it to happen overnight!

The shift began 20 years ago and has begun to accelerate, and will continue to do so! 21st was a marker, a kind of changing of the tilt of how things went. On that day I meditated, and I saw the grid of "lightworkers" or people who focused their intent into perceiving a different timeline then the one the PTP have been trying to jam into our head about cataclysmic destruction. I felt it. The timelines converging, and us going on a unique path. Where we continue onwards. The change happens on the INSIDE before it manifests on the outside. ALWAYS.

What did you expect? Aliens to come to your house? They will not until mankind is ready. Most are still under the mindframe of shooting on sight and/or ****ting their pants, and categorizing them as demons.

Did you expect a meteor to hit, or the sun to wipe us all out? Or niburu to come?

What if I already told you all of the above already happened, and that we have been and continue to be protected? Humans (people) are involved with the above. Just because Nuclear war didn't start (even though PTP wants it), how do you know there aren't many good people all over the world making sure it doesn't happen!?

You see, you don't see what happens behind the scenes, or the kind of work it takes to make sure that we as a SPECIES SURVIVE irregardless of the corrupt institutions.

We haven't even begun to face the challenges that lay before us.

[Mark]

Pretty hardcore statement by Pane, there at the end of his article, about why the expected changes to Sol-system did not occur and what it may mean, thanks for sharing it here, Bill. As usual he is thorough. He includes much of the science and astronomy we've discussed on other threads. If his final observations regarding the passage of the solar system into and through this energetic 'ribbon' do indeed defy the laws of physics and we have been placed within a protecive bubble of sorts, the implications are simultaneously staggering and disappointing.

But, if we are being 'protected' by a star-faring, multi-dimensional civilization of such vast technological sophistication and apparent wisdom, there is reason for optimism. That is an example of a love that surpasses all cerebral understanding. There is no indication of the 'thickness' of the 'ribbon' or how long it will take Sol-system to traverse it. So, potentially, the bubble of protection could be lifted at any time if the planet is deemed at some point to be ready.

In the meantime, all of the prescriptions offered in this thread seem to boil down to the same solutions we already know, as offered in other threads about group solutions, and other threads about individual work. Both are necessary. It is not either or.

[Fred Steeves]

Whether trying to teach, or solve a problem, I'm first reminded of the old: "First, do no harm".

[TargeT]

Displining the mind, challenging it. Why is my mind thinking that? Why am I feeling this when I think that?
Is something actually occuring here , a real problem or is it a thought in my head? How much are my thoughts effecting my emotional body?

Same with the emo body. Why am I feeling this. Why does that person get on my nerves? Did they do something to me or is it the way I think about them. Did I allow them to do something to me. Is it me I'm really pissed at?

That sort of inner dialog should take place before you touch companion tools because they will most certainly say something you don't want to hear.

so, to clarify (for me), the other tools: astronomy, numerology, tarot etc.. should only be used initially for self discovery and understanding. Self reflection on NON CONCIOUS events such as emotional reactions or random thoughts that are not purposefully initiated by (for lack of a better label) "Me"; it almost sounds like there cannot be much external help on items like this as only "you" can find the root of your thoughts through self reflection, though perhaps some guiding and logical conclusion or as you described many threads ago Psycic help ( from someone who understands how the psyce works, as that is all a psycic seems to be).

A quick example of the above paragraph. I know it's completely pointless to the conversation, but I still have an urge to say that I have already begun doing this and have done it for a little while now; I see that as an ego/pride reflex and it's annoying that I feel i should mention it, this makes me thinks I have a slight self confidendence issue (which in some ways I over compensate for socially) which rings true as I have known this, but not fully faced it yet, for a while.

I'll assume that is exactly what I should be doing, or at least very close.



Meditation is presented as clearing the mind, but it also serves to focus on a problem using the above suggestions. Meditation on it' own doesn't do anything but discipline the mind and the emo body.



I know I have a lot to over come, a friend of mine recently told me that he helps people in his dream (something about going to the golden light and not the white light) and he knows his past lives (he was a civil war consumer?? what ever that is) and I just roll my eyes; though only because it is such a foreign concept to me that I cannot relate with what he is trying to tell me.


It may not be as foreign as you think. EVERYONE has a lot to overcome. We have a lot of other life information expressing through us and we are not conscious of it. We are not cognitive of the experience. It typically has something to say in reference to ourselves in the present. Those are what companion disciplines can bring to light. What the core value is to be learned in the life not neccessarily the details.

Self excavation, companion tools to explore what it brings up or to start finding out what the issue is if they are hard to find. Start with this life, self reflection (meditation) . You don't have to be in a zombie delta wave zone to meditate. Accept you have a problem, accept how you feel over the problem,understand how the problem got there. Go to next problem.

This world is part of the holographic univeres. The rules don't just change here because we are here. Things work the same way all over depending on what sort of density one is dealing with.

It takes me one second to break a bowl. It takes me much longer to fix the bowl. I'ts easier to fix if I examine the bowl and see what its composed of. In my experience none of my bowls broken have every been fixed by mass ascension, the opinions of other, Videos, cutting and pasting other peoples teaching about bowls, people sending me love or light, ufo's, extraterrestirals, spiritual gurus, a date, a cosmic ray of light. This is how the physical world reflects back to us the way things really are in unseen realms. Mostly inside of us.


I really like this paragraph, I find this is the best way to find what is "true" & I refer to it in terms of "fractal" reality, which I guess is the same as holographic; this just seems to make so much sense to me.



Have you ever looked at a part of an engine to fix it and you really just don't know what its about? Meditating and examining it helps doesn't it. The radiator sits there, a hose goes into the engine block, a hose comes in from the reservior, there's six bolts holding it there.

Then you think, I think I can remove that?! That's not a problem. Its just two hoses, and bolts.

Mediation would do that for you. A zombie trance probably wouldn't (smile)

I guess (at least for me) Meditation has also been corrupted, what you are describing I see as concentrating on something. Meditation always gives me a mental picture of some person sitting in a cross legged position in light flowing cloths and corny background music, maybe some crystals scattered about, & it just seems pointless to me.

Thank you for your response, I will have to put some time into studying numerology, astrology & Tarot for tools of self understanding & continue to analyze my "reactions" as best I can.

[9eagle9]

Yes those are tools of self reflection and self discovery. Our problems are very much of our self. If we deny that we go to victim mode. They aren't very good at making predictive events but one can predict patterns of behavior based on what they are witnessing in someone's psyche.

Psychic means what the word implies. "Of the psyche."

How it got turned into fortune teller, future predictor is ....well your guess is as good as mine. The word Psyche has been around a long time (re: the rape of psyche) but back in the day no one ever used that word to describe a person who predicted the future. They'd said soothsayer, seer, oracle.

Beats me. But it got me me'd out and there we are.



I guess (at least for me) Meditation has also been corrupted, what you are describing I see as concentrating on something. Meditation always gives me a mental picture of some person sitting in a cross legged position in light flowing cloths and corny background music, maybe some crystals scattered about, & it just seems pointless to me.


That is a corruptive view of meditation. Because it is corrupt it doesn't work for a lot of people . Mediation in my genesis isn't like eastern meditation where one crosses their legs and stares at the tip of their toes. What most accomadates me is the way my forebears mediated. Outside among trees.

In actuality to get the 'promised' effect of Meditation which is supposed to be some cosmic effect where you are joined with all particles of the universe ect, and having some sort of mind orgasm.... a yogi would confide that you have to meditate for about 8+ hours a day for more than two decades to achieve that effect.

I suspect you like most other people didn't have the time. I know few people who want to wait that long for an orgasm.

People who live in monasteries from age two, don't work, don't eat, don't have family, bills, or life in the commonly shared reality might have time for that. That becomes their purpose in life and I'm sure they get quite a lot of it.

But no one really listens to them. Because what they are gettting is someone incomprehensible and even cryptic sounding. Unless of course you spend that much time meditating yourself.

I would say in its most functional form a clearing of the mind is examination of the psyche. We have a lot of stuff in there. Clearing it out would be helpful because pretty much it will close shut and not allow new information in if a periodic sweep weren't done.

The corruptive version of it is making your mind a blank. Mind zombie. This is why people find it so hard to meditate, the mind is to be mastered not cowed into silence. Whatever comes up in the mind should be examined, its there for a reason.

[gripreaper]

I must say I feel incredibly foolish for ever believing in anyone who said 12-21-12 would be a huge day for everyone on Earth.

You're in good company. This from Pane Andov:

23 Dec 2012 passed – Nothing happened? (http://paneandov.com/23-dec-2012-passed-nothing-happened)


The most advanced civilization known to me interfered and prevented the disaster. By manipulating the fundamental dynamics of our star and using their own highly advanced technology they created a protective field around our solar system. The impact was so strong that it crashed the magnetic field of our star but they repaired our solar system in two years. That is the only logical conclusion that I can see on the chess board.

Alrighty then! Thanks Pane Andov for clearing that up! ;)

[CD7]

And then, there's silence....WHEN!? LOL! 108 posts in, id say we the peeps cant keep our clakity clak claks shut!!! hahahahahahaa

[Sidney]

This is off topic a bit, but I am curious to find out if (and what,and where) more crop circles will be discovered.

[gripreaper]

So, those who are coming forward to speak after the 12/21/12 and what they have to say: emphasis mine

From Pane Androv:

The most advanced civilization known to me interfered and prevented the disaster. By manipulating the fundamental dynamics of our star and using their own highly advanced technology they created a protective field around our solar system. The impact was so strong that it crashed the magnetic field of our star but they repaired our solar system in two years. That is the only logical conclusion that I can see on the chess board.

http://paneandov.com/23-dec-2012-passed-nothing-happened/

From COBRA:

Our core group in Egypt was extremely successful, managing to anchor Light in the face of all physical and non-physical opposition from the Cabal

1. All negative future timelines have been absolutely and completely erased. There is now exactly zero possibility for any of the global destructive plans of the Cabal to come to fruition. There will be no World War 3, no New World Order, no mass depopulation, no FEMA camps.

2. The positive forces have managed to restrict Cabal's access to biochemical weapons to the extent that they no longer pose a threat to the mass of humanity.

3. A virus has been planted into the Black Box: this will result in data translation errors from the etheric Archon's spy network into the mainframe physical computers of the Cabal and that will in turn create many cracks in the Matrix.

4.Three of the key physical Archons have been removed.

5. Energy of divine Peace, Love and Eternal Now has emerged from the Portal, touching hearts of many. We are finally beginning to exit the black hole, seeing a tiny spark of true Light of the Event Horizon. This arrival at the inner boundary of the Event Horizon is the actual beginning of the planetary Ascension process. Now that many illusory thoughtforms and expectations of many Lightworkers around December 21st have collapsed I will finally be given clearance from the Pleiadians to release the true Ascension plan to humanity.

http://2012portal.blogspot.com/

Message from SaLuSa:

“We know that the Lightworkers put a lot of time and effort into achieving success, and the apparent failure is no criticism of them. Indeed, there is absolutely no fault in their dedication to their task. It is simply that the circumstances did not meet the criterion for full manifestation of the initial changes that you expected.”

http://the2012scenario.com/2012/12/welcome-back-salusa/#more-158621

Galactic Federation through Blossom Goodchild:

Dearest friends. We would care to add … THE LIGHT … THE LIGHT that you have become is now working towards a certain peak point. You have allowed yourselves to create this ‘level’ for yourselves. You have remained steadfast and your strength has seen you though once again. Does this not say to you … does this not PROVE to you … that you have ‘ASCENDED’?

http://the2012scenario.com/2012/12/blossom-goodchild-december-28-2012/#more-158715

Archangel Michael through Ron Head:

This party is underway, beloveds. Enjoy to the fullest the parts which you have been destined by your own efforts to play. We dance beside you and will provide all the support possible. Simply ask.

http://the2012scenario.com/2012/12/archangel-michael-through-ron-head-this-party-is-underway-beloveds/#more-158716

Archangel Gabriel through Shelley Young:

Greetings, Dear Ones. How pleased and honored we are to be in your presence today. You have made it. You are here. What a remarkable thing humanity has accomplished! We are so filled with joy, filled with excitement, filled with overwhelming love for each and every one of you because you have created moving into the new age. We are so excited and so, so proud.

http://the2012scenario.com/2012/12/archangel-gabriel-via-shelley-young-hallelujah/#more-158797

Suzanne Lie channels Gaia and the Arcturians:

Once that which we wish to release is revealed, we must go deep within our SELF to find the cause and core of our attachment to that which we no longer want to experience. I, your Earth Mother Gaia, am just arising from my three days and nights in the underworld. It is not an accident that the Soul message of the birth of Christ Consciousness on December 25 was created, as it was the fourth day after December 21.

http://the2012scenario.com/2012/12/suzanne-lie-the-fourth-day-gaia-and-the-arcturians/#more-158324

These are just a few examples of how the 12/21/12 has been spun by those who were calling for massive earth changes and ascension.

So, in conclusion, we can see that: We were not fully ready to ascend as we did not meet the criterion for full manifestation, but we have ascended, have arrived, and we have made it, and are to be congratulated for all our hard work. The most advanced ET race took care of the problem, and Gaia was able to go into the underworld for her 3 days of darkness and come out on top. The negative timelines have been completely erased and there is zero chance of any of the cabals plans to come to fruition!

So, all of you naysayers who listen to the likes of Duncan and his doom and gloom scenarios, why not listen to those who have the inside scoop and speak of ascension and the positive ET interventions? :rolleyes: ;) :p :confused:

Which scenario is real?

[gooty64]

I might need a tourniquet. Please hurry...and bring two!

[MaroonLagoon]

I was thinking about how long-term of a commitment/dedication it took to an idea on the parts of selfish people to create such a giant mess so it might take that much commitment and long-term dedication to clean it up. Maybe we can look at the outcomes we're expecting to see in our lifetimes and, even if we don't and everything seemingly stays the same the whole time, are we willing to stay dedicated to the idea and keep working at it. Maybe part of the reason it's easy to get people's attentions focused on dates for something big to happen is partly because we so badly want to see big changes happen in our lifetimes but then it ends up being disappointing and deflating if a big change we wanted to see or thought would happen doesn't happen. Which can be dis-empowering? I'm not saying that's how it is it's just something I've been wondering about. I hope I'm being presumptuous or stating the obvious or anything.

[dim]

gripreaper:
Am i the only one seeing them laughing their **** out to our naiveness ?

[9eagle9]

Yes, breaking something takes an instant. Fixing it as we know takes longer. When we live in throw-away societies that replace rather than fix, we stop learning that and we stop being careful with our things.

They have us focus on dates because the ptb needs to raise power on those dates. There's very few of them to do so, and lots of us. So get us obsessed with a date and we do their work for them. We unwittingly become their agents.

It is very hard to get the typical decent person to obsess about a date if the real reason behind it is revealed. Further enslavement. So they stick another reason out there in the NEW AGE meme--something happy, great, miraculous, unprecedented will happen that day. People yearn for magick in their life since we've destroyed our magick makers. So they enter into these fairy tale agreements. They don't care why or what your expectations are as long as you are giving energy to that date.

That is how we thus stay enslaved.


I was thinking about how long-term of a commitment/dedication it took to an idea on the parts of selfish people to create such a giant mess so it might take that much commitment and long-term dedication to clean it up. Maybe we can look at the outcomes we're expecting to see in our lifetimes and, even if we don't and everything seemingly stays the same the whole time, are we willing to stay dedicated to the idea and keep working at it. Maybe part of the reason it's easy to get people's attentions focused on dates for something big to happen is partly because we so badly want to see big changes happen in our lifetimes but then it ends up being disappointing and deflating if a big change we wanted to see or thought would happen doesn't happen. Which can be dis-empowering? I'm not saying that's how it is it's just something I've been wondering about. I hope I'm being presumptuous or stating the obvious or anything.

[MaroonLagoon]

I'm definitely not laughing at anyone dim, sorry if it came across that way. What i wrote was part of my own learning.

[M6*]

Hi RUSirius!

Somewhere I read that hoPE was at the bottom of Pandora's Box.....I sure HOPE so!

Keep on planting those seeds. It's my bet that the Crop will be Bountiful in your neck of the Woods!
Thanks for the cheer! M6*

[M6*]

Hey WF!

Right!!:-)....says the Cherokee in me. But don't forget to remember the phrase, "A good time was had by all!"
Otherwise:-( Things could get pretty GLUM and spoil the FUN....and that is somewhere I hope I have been, but do not want to go there again!:-)

Blessings to you for the new year....even if it's a party for one! That would be ok too:-) Keep up the good work! M6*

[sdv]

For me, there was a golden thread of truth in the 2012 phenomena: Earth is a volatile planet and human beings are a volatile species, but life can flourish on Earth, as it has in the past and will in the future, despite huge natural disasters and dreadful acts of humanity. Do we want to live here with wisdom and love or do we want to run around like headless chickens, bumping into each other?

A thought: Most people live in urban areas where the sky is filled with pollution that block out the stars. How can we have an awareness of being part of a vast universe if we can't even see the stars?

[golden lady]

The trouble is , it's a bit like " the boy who cried wolf " it may prove more difficult to discern the real danger. Maybe that was the plan all along!

[RMorgan]

So, in conclusion, we can see that: We were not fully ready to ascend as we did not meet the criterion for full manifestation, but we have ascended, have arrived, and we have made it, and are to be congratulated for all our hard work. The most advanced ET race took care of the problem, and Gaia was able to go into the underworld for her 3 days of darkness and come out on top. The negative timelines have been completely erased and there is zero chance of any of the cabals plans to come to fruition!



Hey Gripreaper,

Thanks for summarizing some of these hilarious (maybe tragic?) excuses for us.

Really, these folks must be laughing out loud of people´s naivety...They can´t be serious.



Which scenario is real?

NONE.

Cheers,

Raf.

[niki]

December 21 2012 have passed and Nothing of a prophesied BIG events happened,
instead, we've seen numerous excuses, changed dates, changed metaphors, etc etc

so unless I can see some more real, concrete, & critical logical proof,
don't expect me to easily fall into the whole "2013" again.
I won't be that naive anymore.

-regards from Truth-seeker from Indonesia-

[CD7]

December 21 2012 have passed and Nothing of a prophesied BIG events happened,
instead, we've seen numerous excuses, changed dates, changed metaphors, etc etc

so unless I can see some more real, concrete, & critical logical proof,
don't expect me to easily fall into the whole "2013" again.
I won't be that naive anymore.

-regards from Truth-seeker from Indonesia-



OK Great! now time to ignore the dates/numbers and focus deep within ur heart :)

I think i can speak for most "real" people who carouse these type sites for several years...these spectacles are a given---

All one can do is prepare the BEST way they can and then what? Live MOMENT TO MOMENT

[niki]

OK Great! now time to ignore the dates/numbers and focus deep within ur heart :)

I think i can speak for most "real" people who carouse these type sites for several years...these spectacles are a given---

All one can do is prepare the BEST way they can and then what? Live MOMENT TO MOMENT

hmm....but what about all those Galactic Federation of Light, E.T Disclosure, Pleiadians, The Archons, Higher Dimensions/Densities, Nibiru, Astral Realm, Ascension to Higher "5D" Dimension ?
would they all be easily (& ignorantly) simply dismissed "just like that" ?.. even after so many hurtful disappointments on the December 21st 2012?..
I don't think so.

these "new age" people, advocates, & especially the so-called "gurus, Ascended Masters, channelers" need to take some responsibility,
in creating such great hype and high expectations nearing December 21 2012, only then to crush it down & broke so many hearts & honest, good minds, because of (again) another dirty, & failed prophecies, channelings, theories and stories like what's told in this forum.

they can't just simply & easily escape irresponsibly without being punished,
or worse, so these hoaxers, charlatans, & fake irresponsible storytellers or even fake "channelers, gurus, Ascended Masters" can create another lies & baseless fantasy hoaxes to trick many gullible, even some or many GOOD, honest, sincere people yet gullible minds out there!

[CD7]

they can't just simply & easily escape irresponsibly without being punished,
or worse, so these hoaxers, charlatans, & fake irresponsible storytellers or even fake "channelers, gurus, Ascended Masters" can create another lies & baseless fantasy hoaxes to trick many gullible, even some or many GOOD, honest, sincere people yet gullible minds out there!

LOL!! OK...........welcome to our world :) Stand in line...becuz its a Big one on globe earth

well stop getting ur panties in a bunch (southern slang for RELAX) Yes most of us agree with u here....we want change....different status quo...transformation...gaia to its best potential...

Punishment/anger isnt going to change anything...CHANGE is going to CHANGE things

[Nanoo Nanoo]

What pandov writes her is absolutely true.

" As I clearly noted many times, I lost the contacts for the last two years with the beings from the stars…there were 5 attempts for contact from their side, but every time the transmission was interrupted by other outer force.Shadow Government has acquired a high tech by ETs that signed the treaty with, but I felt that SG is not the only one that is blocking the download of data on the NEXUS/Superwave subject.I’m fully aware of Shadow Government satellites that are able to trace and detect certain brain frequencies in individuals that are capable to receive intelligent messages from beings out of the planet and to block it.Shadow Government has the technology by now to see on their screens everyone on the planet that has some form of implant put in the biological body by the other beings.Some people do not have implants, like I but they are still capable of receiving because of some difference in some part of the genetics.Every time the contact is happening the brain operates on a frequency that is measurable by the sensitive high-tech scanners installed on some ultra-secret satellites.Things in Space are often turbulent and ever changing…the last updates that I received was exactly like I passed to the people…The published information was not a lie, deception, wasn’t published to cause fear or to mislead. In fact it was published as a warning of possible future event. Things obviously changed in the last two years since my contacts were cut off by other unknown force."

Their tech ology regarding this since i first reported it in 2010 when i first experienced it, has become more efficient in honing in on our in dividual frequencies.

So you wonder if people like him and myself who are adept at interdimentional contact have been blocked, what chance have you got of feeling the intended wave? Itis happening, it is coming through but its not as strong as it should be. My last 3 attempts at contact were interrupted with their antics. I know the difference.

Its ok because i managed to get my messages out long ago. in the mean time we work on bypassing their frequencies and punching through in a new way :-)

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

The other thing i have noticed is awhile ago i was given a time and place to be for a meditative contact. In this meditation i was sun gzing and during this particular meditation i saw a vision of what appeared to be a constilation.

I wondered for a while what this was until recently i was star gazing and saw this exact star configuration. I had not seen it before.

So indeed there are things happening beyond our understanding. And i see the frustration of all the people who expected a rapture and then felt nothing. I am sad this has happened this way. The negative wave was quite draining a few days after when people had their realisations.

My visions about that day were of many tribesmen leaving and many people sad and disapointed. Those who now think its all bunk and hogwash, well this reaction is what the ptb wanted. Bringing up a hope then quashing it to diminish your psitive emination. Dont play their game. brothers and sisters :-) hugs
Naniu