2 firefighters shot dead at fire near Rochester, N.Y.

[Zelig]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/24/firefighters-shot-rochester.html

[dreamer]

Don't they have strict gun laws in ny? Hmmm......

[sigma6]

Well, lets see, a fire starts, firefighters show up and get shot at....
Have to admit, that's a new spin... possible extrapolations anyone?

Is it possible the fires were started for some nefarious purpose?
Assuming (which is all we can do at this point given the brief narrative)
the firefighters are not connected in any direct way (other then responding)
but none-the-less became specific targets, then whoever was doing the sniping,
had an agenda that these fires continue, again, for whatever reason,
be it, insurance, destroying evidence, either information, bodies (God forbid) etc...
ok, so who else wants to have a go at it...

Lets see how the MSM treats it, if it doesn't try to plug up all the holes with their misdirection,
it will be interesting to see if anything of actual value has an opportunity to 'leak out'
otherwise we'll just get the usual load of misinformation, spin, or 'random' event scenario...


(my) update: anyone find anything interesting in this?... got it from the site:
this was picked up from copying and pasting (ie, hidden background text)
"CBC News Posted: Dec 24, 2012 9:35 AM ET Last Updated: Dec 24, 2012 11:07 AM"
(I don't really see anything unusual here...)
this is what I was actually copying (what they wanted us to see...)
"Update: Firefighters shot LIVE 11:59:59"

(I'm not going to say my interpretation just yet... haha)

[Earth Angel]

at the risk of being seen as another conspiracy nut, this shooting seems like another attempt to take guns off all American citizens.... it seems a very random act to open fire on firemen there to help , and the article says no shooter is on the lose but no info on who or why this would happen.....very odd.

I have never been a fan of guns and confess being very disappointed in my heart throb Tom Selleck when I saw he was a member of the NRA.......but that was before realizing that the government wants to make sure the people can be controlled completely and they need to be disarmed to do that. Something is not right with all of these 'random' acts of violence.

[SilentFeathers]

They're embedding fear into the mindset of the masses until they can disarm everyone so that, any scenarios and no matter what one is to do, they are risking getting shot, this is only gonna get worse until 99% of the sheeple "freely" disarm themselves and are in a state of bliss giving all their guns to the authorities.

[sigma6]

We have to stop putting ourselves down and calling ourselves "Conspiracy Nuts" - maybe it's because Television makes up less then 5-10% of my viewing time (and what a painfully retarded experience it feels like) But I have never quite figured out how people can assume there are no Conspiracies...

The only idiots I see right now are people who assume there are no conspiracies... I am not trying to be mean spirited, I am just absolutely dumb founded on the mental state of someone who can't conceive that other people get together and scheme and plan things 'behind closed doors' when we have had societies that blatantly tell you in plain English, for all the world to know, that the sole purpose of their organisation is keeping secrets... (and bogus charity fund raisers to further rape the public)

Then again the majority of members that join these groups are the very people that the (sheeple) "look up to" like the police, the lawyers, high court officials, high government, (including firefighters) I might add. These are the people who publicly brainwash the public with their statements in the controlled media that there are no conspiracies. I just am trying to figure out where does the psychological denial end, and the actual cluelessness begin... if that is even possible that people can be that clueless? (yet still have internet access and be able to read all the information on sites like Avalon...)

I think we are going to see a lot more of these "unusual events" I think people should start adding a new word to their vocabulary.

GANG WARFARE

coming to a neighbourhood near you... we are entering a time of change, it's happening NOW...
I am highly recommending people listen to Clif High's latest interview

Clif High ~ TMRN 2012 12 ~ 21 Time Monk Radio Interviews Present:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PCwzNdbhBKs

Mulder started a thread under General Discussions/Books,Videos,Articles,etc
Unbelievably Good Clif High Interview Timemonkradio.com (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53516-Unbelievably-Good-Clif-High-Interview-Timemonkradio.com&p=604950&viewfull=1#post604950)

It's 2 and half hours, I had to listen to it twice without hesitation, and will be listening to it again, it is that good,
Clif is getting deadly sincere in this discussion, has a ton of datum, will post a review on that thread...

[SilentFeathers]

Nut job conspiracy theorists (us) are becoming more and more recognized as "the sane ones".....and many are noticing this!

MSM isn't working quite the way it used too.....

Those still calling us researchers/investigators "nut job conspiracy theorist' are either just plain ignorant or are in denial and delusional to the collective reality that surrounds them. (and also have no common sense).....

[Snoweagle]

The Lanza shootings were very quickly being chastised as another "false flag". Another Pentagon/Mossad operation or is that Mossad/Pentagon as it is hard to discern the difference.
This is another typical "hitman" assault to fire the gun removal argument. This is government authorised organised crime.
Its about time the tables were turned on those fueling this persistent argument.

America - you are staring down the barrel of a gun.

Take note - The Jewish Defense League are advising all Jews to arm and be ready. You should also.

Form your own Neighbour-Hood militia and start using the Courts of Law and grind the system to its knees.

All worldwide law stems from Roman and Common Law. Common Law was enshrouded by the Magna Carta. The Magna Carta bequeathed rights between the CROWN and the BARONs.
Now the BARONs rule. They take the form of CORPORATIONS. These same Corporations hire these mercenary killers. All part of the service of maintaining servitude of the masses.

[sigma6]

When You Know Who You Are - You Will Invoke The Trust

I am working (with another's input) on articulating a summary/thesis. It will revolve around claiming that they (the court/crown) are holding our NAMES/titles, and that if we can say this and understand what we mean when we say it, we can express a new trust relationship (called an expressed trust) that forces a fiduciary trustee obligaton on their part, automatically invoking equity. This will be important in the coming months and years when they start to come after us (which they are already doing) The following explains a model and still requires understanding of rules of court, court procedures, jurisdiction, etc... but is a fundamental understanding of a new interpretation, that finally explains how we can 'own nothing, and control everything' (at least regards the title we have special interest in... otherwise known as our NAME...)

We have to recognize that they are holding something that BELONGS to US! It's OUR title, (we have controlling interest) But they are holding it (they have liablility) We have to understand that we have this power, (which is why they try to drag us into their house and 'bully' us into "consenting" to a construed trust relationship, where they force trustee obligation on us) update: actually it is evidenced by all the signatures we have put everywhere saying we are the owner, when we aren't, but in the proecess become a "trustee de sont tort"

Now this is the part that is the kicker and where I think everyone has got it wrong. We must state (and understand) that they are holding it for a "public purpose" as opposed to "for our benefit and use". ie. We must step up to the plate and establish this, it doesn't come into being otherwise (it must be invoked). If there is anyone that understands the full implications of what I have just suggested feel free to contact me. But I believe this is the final piece. I do not know anyone who currently is discussing this or is even aware of this part that creates this new interpretation, except one man (and also possibly Christian Walters, but I have yet to catch up with him on this)

I don't expect anyone to 'get this' yet with so little context, (this is just a flyer) but the key lies in transferring beneficial ownership onto the public, simply by stating so or in writing or both, immediately after establishing (expressing) that they are holding YOUR NAME (the original ink signatured Statement of Birth document) which the reproduction copy you have, is proof of receipt of the evidence of this fact (to be used in court "for the purpose of evidence of the facts so certified")



This takes us completely out of the equation, It is now the court (Crown Representative) holding the title with liability, and required by Equity to protect the public (you), and should they compromise (breach trust) Then you must demand they release the title (what is yours) to you immediately. Otherwise they have everything they need to settle it, and since you have explicitly provided specific instruction on the manner in which they are to 'hold' said title. If they come after you for anything they are in immediate breach, for extortion. Since are telling them to hold everything (registered and accessible through that particular NAME) which only YOU can do btw.



Metaphorical Example: You be the Uncle...
Let's say my mother is standing present (equity) And my father just gave me a brand new wallet with an almost unlimited credit card in it for my birthday! (gave me a NAME, representing my birthright, inheritance, and a place I could put all my labour into as well) But I wasn't immediately available (busy being born) so you (my Uncle) offered to hold onto it and said "Here let me hold on to that for your son, I will make make sure that I look after it for him. Finally, I show up and say hey since there is going to be a big birthday party tonight (for example) "go out and buy all the food, party hats, wine, etc. you need" "Don't blow the whole wad, just what is required!" (public policy) to satisfy the kitchen (Court/bank) for this family banquet tonight (public) (ie. use it for the benefit of the "public") so that the 'kitchen' (accounting/banking, what the court IS) can do their job (serve the public, settle the accounts). You can use it to buy some gas, and if you need your shoes shined, or a new toupee, be my guest (cause we all share in our family, and I like giving)

Now you (the Uncle) are 'holding' my wallet (trust title). I (true party in interest) have stated exactly what the wallet's purpose is for (public purpose, banquet guests = beneficiaries/beneficial owners) The relationship and purpose are now clear (trust is expressed) You (Crown attorney) have the trust obligation (wallet) and have been given clear instruction of what your obligation is (public purpose) This instruction (expressing the trust) also acts to rebutt several presumptions, ie. constructive trust, etc)

In this metaphor, the uncle is trustee with obligation. The banquet guests are the public, and on their behalf you (my uncle) are acting according to my instruction (expression of trust) to serve the guests, by this instruction I have designated the guests as the beneficiaries (or beneficial owners) ie. I expressed the purpose for the wallet you are holding, what it be used for. There is no room for (mis) construing anything now. You have no need to come to me for anything now.

To be clear, in court I would say and/or present in writing, in advance I might want to contact the 'Registrar General' and simply express two major points;
1. you are holding my name.
2. it is for public purpose.

Now lets say, being the cad that you are, you get it in your head that you want to keep my wallet for your own use (lets say your a perv and want to buy some child prostitutes for you and your buddies) So you call me up, or better send your buddies (local hoods) to come pick me and bring me to your house. And you demand that I pay you for parking on your driveway (or some BS excuse) because this will help maintain 'order' in the world, and you're just helping maintain order. otherwise social chaos will prevail the world will degenerate into anarchy if I don't give you the money, and also your friends will have to beat me up and lock me in your basement until I do, and that I shouldn't worry because it is really all for my benefit. (sound familiar?)

I (true title holder, after the fact) want to righteously smack you on the side of the head, but instead keep my cool. and say "hey wait a minute, what the he** are doing? Where is my wallet?" (title) and you, with a smug look say "what wallet"? huh? Then I pull out the receipt (S.O.B.) (I secretly kept for such an occasion and present it to you and say "See this, I present to you this evidence, I have the superior interest in it, and you are supposed to be buying the grocerys, and party favours, wine, etc for the guest tonite. (I have expressed the trust and purpose - (ie. That is my name and you are holding it for public purpose)

Also it is true the copy of the S.O.B. you have doesn't have inherent value in and of itself, it is a copy or the original title, but it is evidence, or receipt of your right to make claim to that title (superior claim) Superior claim to who? Who is holding your title? Ahhh, yes they (Crown) are remember? Have you ever made any claims recently?

This all comes into play when you state something like:
"I demand to know what you are doing with it?" And when I say all that, instantly mother (equity) appears! tada! standing akimbo, in a supermom outfit and without saying a word lets you know exactly what your supposed to do (fiduciary obligation) or else!
another note: it's kind of like a hidden subliminal message, it' there but it's not really there until you see it, but when you do, then that becomes a different interpretation. Until then it is 'something else' (another trust interpretation we don't want)

Because you as my uncle (the courts/crown/government,etc) are a greasy sponge and used to living off the avails and loose change (you always been helping yourself to) from my wallet. You are loathe to give it back to me, so you get off your arse, tell your two buddies they have to help you do some shopping, and even ask me if there is anything else I need, and even have my clothes dry cleaned and call for a taxi (cover any damages)

Although this all happens as a function of trust in equity, it is 'reflected' in their CC (Statutory criminal code) ie. I would never reference it directly myself but certainly allude to it...(for their benefit, since it is they who are absolutely bound by it, the common language they operate in)

CC 337 Public Servant Refusing To Deliver Property -
Everyone who being, or having been employed in the service of her Majesty in right of Canada or in right of a Province, or in the service of a municipality, and entrusted by virtue of that employment with the receipt, custody, management or control of anything, refuses or fails to deliver it to a person who is authorized to demand it and does demand it is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years

CC 336 Criminal Breach Of Trust -
Every one who, being a trustee of anything for the use or benefit, whether in whole or in part, of another person, or for a public or charitable purpose, converts, with intent to defraud and in contravention of his trust, that thing or any part of it to a use that is not authorized by the trust is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years.

A - B - C
(A) - my dad intended to give me (C) a NAME, but (B) the Crown (Registrar General) interceded and created a record, or title in trust, registered it for my protection and is considered as holding it. This creates a trust relationship by definition.

The question is how do you interpret it?
Who's NAME is it?
Who has title?
Who has liability?
Who is the trustee?
What purpose is it being held for?
Who is the beneficial owner as a result?
Do you know what they are doing with your NAME?
Have you stepped forward and expressed your intent regarding this matter?
Would you honestly give someone consent to bill you, abuse you, jail you?
While they live like a bunch of pedophilic pigs at a trough on your tab?

It's time to wake up...



update: links for my own reference:

previous:
Media Black out: Oregon Mall Shooter Was Stopped By An Armed Citizen
Registration Of The NAME, A Record Can Be Used As A Title In Trust (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53277-Media-blackout-Oregon-mall-shooter-was-stopped-by-an-armed-citizen&p=604542&viewfull=1#post604542)


following:
Russia Tells US To Back Off
Matrix In A Nutshell (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53626-Russia-Tells-US-To-Back-Off-With-Actionary-Maneuvers&p=606571&viewfull=1#post606571)

[Monitor]

Cliff High Half Past Human
this was posted a few days ago
http://www.halfpasthuman.com/firefighter.html

[sigma6]

"Update: Firefighters shot LIVE 11:59:59" to me this means we are at the final last stage of the final hour, they set this time specifically, for whatever reason... (it wasn't the computer, as you can see above) should we expect something imminent?

[Conchis]

Turns out the rifle that the guy used to kill the fireman was also a Bushmaster. The push over gun control is going to do nothing but gain steam from this shooting as well.

[bennycog]

Cliff High Half Past Human
this was posted a few days ago
http://http://www.halfpasthuman.com/firefighter.html

The link did not work for me so text from the firefighter page is now copied here.. if it is not within copyright mods please delete.. 2012 copyright is pasted below but i dont know what that means.. also there is no date on this post at half past human..

try the top link on this page..
http://www.halfpasthuman.com/



fire fighter temporal marker.....

with respect....

A major temporal marker on the way to rapid silver price escalation may be in the process of manifesting. As noted in the wujo discussions, the 'fire fighter' temporal marker was the next anticipated major milestone. It may be that the 'calpers retirement fund', which has the fire fighter component at its core, is manifesting the discussed temporal marker currently as it has filed a 'criminal' complaint alledging 'fraud' against San Bernadino in a 'sham' bankruptcy case.

The quoted terms were within the top level of support for the [fire fighters fight] temporal marker discussed a few weeks back. If this is the leading edge of this meme, then we can expect a bit of repetition of the idea of 'fire fighters' arising within media for a few weeks.

There are also some minor temporal markers in this same vein that are fulfilling now, so our confidence level in the CalPers association to the 'fire fighter' component of the language is increasing.

Just a quick note to acknowledge this (may be manifesting) significant temporal marker.

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Copyright 2012, all rights reserved.

[Earth Angel]

I read this man had killed his mother about 30 years ago, served time for his crime and has not been in any trouble since then.....suddenly he decides Im going to kill myself BUT before I do, I'd like to set fire to my house and kill some innocent people.......i feel strongly he was hand picked for this job due to his history and perhaps hasn't got many contacts in his life so easy to manipulate the story about him......used as another patsy for the war on guns......why do they all have protective gear (against children??? and unsuspecting movie goers) and all kill themselves before anyone can ask questions....just don't sit right with me.

[ThePythonicCow]

Cliff High Half Past Human
this was posted a few days ago
http://http://www.halfpasthuman.com/firefighter.html

The link did not work for me so text from the firefighter page is now copied here.. if it is not within copyright mods please delete.. 2012 copyright is pasted below but i dont know what that means.. also there is no date on this post at half past human..
That's good - thanks for providing the fixed link and text.

I just edited the original link, so it would work too (took off the extra http://)