How many of you know people on the 'inside?'

[Strat]

I'll say right away I don't know anybody that does anything on a high level. I know 2 special forces guys (1 retired, 1 active) and a former MI6, who happens to be the most interesting man I've ever met. And possibly the most wealthy.

I don't think the average person has contact with such people, but I imagine Avalon folk do. So do you?

It's nice to know these people because they are a great source of information that the news will never bring up. Or you'll know about something in advance before it shows up on the news. That is of course, if you do the verbal tap dance well.

As a side note, it's because of people like this that I ended up here in Avalon, reading till 3am. The first thing that stigmatized me was when I was a kid, spending the night at my friends house. My friends dad was the Master Chief of the Kennedy aircraft carrier.

So we were just doing kid stuff; chasing lizards, playing video games, etc. After dinner we were hanging out with his dad as he was watching the news (I liked his Navy stories). Then the news mentioned something about unidentified aircraft bombing Iraq in the previous months. His dad laughed and said, "That was the Kennedy."

That little comment made a question mark in my brain that never went away. That question mark was underlined, italicized, emboldened, and font size increased when my other friends MI6 dad made an offhand comment about 9/11 the week after it happened... Youtube wasn't around and there were no conspiracy theories at that time...

And that mind screw exists to this day.

[Grumpy Cat]

My dad was in the Royal Marines, and god knows what he was privy to, being in that position. He never told me much, probably because of the secrets act, but I always got the feeling he knew far far more than he was letting on. Fact is, the MoD is far more advanced than us civvies so god only knows what they're up to given the current rate of technological evolution...

[Carmody]

I'll say right away I don't know anybody that does anything on a high level. I know 2 special forces guys (1 retired, 1 active) and a former MI6, who happens to be the most interesting man I've ever met. And possibly the most wealthy.

I don't think the average person has contact with such people, but I imagine Avalon folk do. So do you?

It's nice to know these people because they are a great source of information that the news will never bring up. Or you'll know about something in advance before it shows up on the news. That is of course, if you do the verbal tap dance well.

As a side note, it's because of people like this that I ended up here in Avalon, reading till 3am. The first thing that stigmatized me was when I was a kid, spending the night at my friends house. My friends dad was the Master Chief of the Kennedy aircraft carrier.

So we were just doing kid stuff; chasing lizards, playing video games, etc. After dinner we were hanging out with his dad as he was watching the news (I liked his Navy stories). Then the news mentioned something about unidentified aircraft bombing Iraq in the previous months. His dad laughed and said, "That was the Kennedy."

That little comment made a question mark in my brain that never went away. That question mark was underlined, italicized, emboldened, and font size increased when my other friends MI6 dad made an offhand comment about 9/11 the week after it happened... Youtube wasn't around and there were no conspiracy theories at that time...

And that mind screw exists to this day.

This is the thing that brings truth to the table.

Many people live in a fearful mind, where they do what is called 'negative proofing'. Where anything that is anomalous is dismissed as not being real. That anomalous things have to beat the door down so hard, that it takes a literal 10, 20, 30 instances of anomalous circumstances, or more, to make a dent in their outlook. and then, even then, they will fight back with projected anger and fear, to hold the anomalies at bay.

This aspect within the conservative mindset, is manipulated by that which runs, for example, religions... and also in case of the USA, the republican political party. (and others, it is just that the republican party is such a shining example, that it is incredibly difficult to not see it)

The quickest way to move forward in this life, scientifically, and mental growth wise, is to turn that equation on it's head.

To explore anomalies, in the context of them being real, to search for other connective tissue and situations. To run toward the edge of the herd, the edge of the darkness, and explore it, to not hide in the safety of the middle of the herd, that middle...which is where the negative proofing mindset sits.

The thing is to understand that nothing happens to the middle of the herd, unless it is brought there, by information from the edge.

By logical extraction, those who explore the edge of human existence, and the problems that are seen in this world, combined with what is seen on the edges of the herd and human existence...we see that these on the edges of the herd , most seriously ARE in the middle of a battle. A battle for control of humanity. Which, once again..cannot be seen from the middle, only the edge.

[RUSirius]

I have family scattered throughout a few different alphabet agencies, and some, or at least one is retired, if they "know" anything, they havent told me. Actually through conversation, it seems as if I "know" more than them, but thats probably not true. You know how those organizations are, most times the left hand does not know what the right hand is up to.

[GCS1103]

My cousin works for Northrop Grumman in the unmanned aerospace program. He has been there about 20 years and has a government security clearance. I am always bugging him for information and he gives me little tidbits every now and then. At a party last week, he decided to tell me about the anti-gravity and technology they are working on and he said that people have no idea how advanced the aerospace program is. He tried to explain what they are doing with gravity and aircraft, but I had no clue what he was talking about.

One interesting thing he did say was that "If you use your wildest imagination, it's already been done." He went on to describe an encounter he had with a UFO and the effect on gravity that it had below the ground level. I don't have a science background, so I really didn't understand what he was trying to tell me.

[loc333]

great thread...be careful

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

my cousin was definitely close to having his foot in the door:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53243-Have-you-ever-met-an-MKULTRA-victim-or-similar

[norman]

great thread...be careful

There are 2 distinct kinds of "inside".

I'm aware of both.


On a less risky note, I used to have the phone number ( and conversed with ) a high level lawyer/politician. He never talked with me about anything very 'interesting' but I got a taste of the power feeling there is around those people. It's very weird, he had the ability to make me go along with whatever he said. It's only later when I'm alone again that I realise something so strange was going on.

I'm fully convinced of just how perfectly such power people can tell you a fat lie and still expect you to honor and respect them. How bloody twisted is that?

[D-Day]

My father was a Unit Commander in Australia's elite special forces unit - the Special Operations Group (or SOG for short).

He was an expert in counter terrorism, urban warfare, special tactics, explosives/demolitions, personal security (body-guarding), hand-to-hand combat, and more (much more).

During his career with the SOG (just over a decade) he was involved in countless high level operations. Some of which included, heading the security taskforce for the 1987 CHOGM (Commonwealth Heads Of Government) meeting in Melbourne, the Russel St bombing response/investigation, the Port Arthur Massacre response/investigation, as well as being a personal body guard to the Prime Minister of Australia as well as numerous other high level politicians and international diplomats... just to name a few of the more high profile ones.

In any case, he was directly exposed to members of "the elite" both domestically here in Australia and to a small degree also, some international elites who visited Australia during his time in the force.

Towards the end of his career he had come to learn that politics in Australia (and worldwide) was rotten to the core with deceptoin and corruption. As he slowly became more and more aware of that fact, he decided to make it his personal mission to expose the corrupt individuals within Autralia's police force and political system.

As much as I admire him now for taking that stance and doing what he knew wsa right.... it turned out to be the beginning of the end for him.

He suddenly found that he (and his family) were constantly being threatened, intimidated, and "messed with". Her was told by his (corrupt) bosses that if he didn't stop doing what he was doing he and his family would find themselves having "a nasty little accident", but he ignored their threats and continued to "do his thing" covertly.

It wasn't long after that (and a few key individuals had been exposed) that we started receiving threatening letters with words made out of magazine clippings (like in the movies), thretening phone calls, we had a couple of drive-by shootings on our house, my father once found our car had been (trip) wired up with explosives, among numerous other things designed to scare him/us into submission.

After dealing with this for a couple of years he eventually left the force. The final straw for him was when he found his locker at work booby-trapped with an explosive device....by that stage he was so paranoid and fearful for the safety of himself and his family that he had just about gone mad because of it... mainly due to sleep deprivation, anxiety, and stress.

So yeah, "they" really did a number on him. He was a strong and courages man, but they broke him because he refused ot turn a blind eye to their corruption and threatened to expose it.

After he retired we moved from Victoria to Queensland and bought a small block of land out in the middle of nowhere - we basically went into hididing for about 5 years... thankfully they left us alone.

In 1995 dad found out he had cancer - which I attribute to all the stress from his job - and he eventually died in 2000 after fighting it for almost 5 years.

In the 3 month period before he died, my father told me a great many things about government, politics, politiicians, and so on and so forth. At the time I had no idea about any of the stuff that I know now (unfortunately), so a lot of what he told me didn't really make sense at the time (I was only 20 years old).

I really wish he was still around now for me to talk to about all the things we discuss here on this forum, I'm sure he would have many stories to tell and interesting insights to offfer.

Ah well, such is life I suppose.

There's a lot more to this story that I could tell, but it is Christmas Day here in Oz and I really don't want to spend it sitting on a computer.

Anyway, here's a photo of some SOGgy's (;)) in full tactical uniform that I found on Google...

http://www.themercury.com.au/images/uploadedfiles/editorial/pictures/2009/09/27/sog-story.jpg

And here's one of the SOG insignias I found on Google also...

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSkZJHP_DQXMUq2Hi8DpOXK-OHyAop80zFyQY7qFqFCvivJv-aC

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[RUSirius]

great thread...be careful

Maybe some need to be careful, but that is usually for those who have inside information, I have none, and have never claimed to have any. Wish I did.

[Carmody]

If one finds themselves wondering if D-day's post is for real, a few statistics to ponder:


-In the western world, one out of every 6 police officers is a Freemason.

-I'm not sure if there is a single judge in the western world that is NOT a Freemason, and most of those came from the BAR, ie, lawyers.

-When the head of the East German secret police left his command, by that time he had 1 out of every 6 East Germans spying on one another. Note the correlation to the 'secret society' level of police force infiltration.....and get ready for the next data point...:

-That ex-head of the east German secret police, was hired by the FBI to help them organize themselves and their internal USA population/citizen spying network.

[PurpleLama]

A whole lotta not saying anything on this thread. Nope, not touching it with a ten foot pole. Drones over my house, that's plenty for me, 'specially since that last one. "noticeably armed" if you know whatta mean.

[Carmody]

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In my personal experience of simply asking people and handing out some of my own stories, in order to get that return story... that..basically....everybody knows something. Ie, over 50% of the population knows ~SOMETHING~.

They simply live it --- in isolation.

[Strat]

BAR


BAR? That can't be originally Freemason as well? Can it? Nahhhhhhh that's just being paranoid.

Ditto everything you said.

[PurpleLama]

"Everybody knows...

The good guys lost"

See, that's the part I'm not sure about. My experience tells me, there is a whole lot of what is, until it isn't.

[Carmody]

Chickens screaming about the sky having fallen is as good as screaming that it hasn't - but is going to. IMO and IME.

Which is part and parcel of why the temperament and message in my posts vacillates between those sort of poles. :)

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[PurpleLama]

Has fallen, is falling, will fall, won't fall. Same, same, same, same.

[Flash]

Anybody that knows somebody in politics, higher police ranks, military, research, big pharma, university professorship, etc etc knows someone who has the potential of being an insider in something.

I have the taste to say that most workers at the city of Montreal/Laval were insiders and knew the corruption that was going on.

Knowing insiders should therefore be defined, because the answer could be vast at this point.

[Lazlo]

Anybody that knows somebody in politics, higher police ranks, military, research, big pharma, university professorship, etc etc knows someone who has the potential of being an insider in something.

I have the taste to say that most workers at the city of Montreal/Laval were insiders and knew the corruption that was going on.

Knowing insiders should therefore be defined, because the answer could be vast at this point.

I second this. I know lots of people on the inside of, well...this and that. Does any of them 'know' about the ET truth, the goings on in Bilderberger, etc, etc , etc.

Probably not, but everyone of them has a story or two to tell, some more interesting than others. Heck, I could even be accused of being an "insider" in energy, and related policy and finance. I am a "subject matter expert" and end up across the table or on the other end of the phone with some people who are genuinely influential (It feels weird to even type it) What I know is about process, not specific plans, and I don't even think it is nefarious. Maybe I'd feel different if I knew more, but I sincerely doubt it.

It's Christmas Eve and I don't want to write a dissertation here, but I could describe my experiences and how they relate to "The evil plans of the NWO to tax us all into submission and bring about a one world government through a global carbon tax. And I know it's a conspiracy because I read some blog post that was a leaked document from the 1960's about how they were going to pull this off." Nonsense.

What I do know of those influential people that is most interesting is HOW they see the world, and HOW they approach problems. They don't typically think short term. Most work a day stiffs don't look very far into the future, but the influential DO think about things beyond their personal time horizon. I don't believe that they are doing it to plan for world domination, instead: If this is what the future will be like, how can I use that to my advantage now? And I don't think that there is anything wrong with that so long as it is an ethical pursuit.

[kathymarie]

My son-in-law's sister's husband works for the NSA....but I'm not supposed to tell you that.

[D-Day]

Just to add to my earlier post, the only reason I felt comfortable talking about the things I did is because my father is no longer around to deal with any potential consequences.

There’s no way I would talk about his work or the stuff he was involved with if he was still alive today.... no way in hell!

I was very careful not to mention the names of any of the individuals involved, the roles they played, their titles, ranks, or positions held.... although I do have some vague and sketchy knowledge of such things.

Having said that, most of the people my father was tracking/targeting are now either deceased, retired, or have moved on to other roles/occupations... the stuff my father was dealing with took place in the 80’s.

When my father passed away and we were going though his things we came across a stash of secret files, documents, reports, notations etc that he had been keeping hidden.

My mother was so horrified when she started reading some of the things that were in those files that she decided it would be safer for all of us if they were destroyed... so she did exactly that.

I was too young at the time to know who most of the individuals my father had files on were, so to me most of it was meaningless... but it was clear that he was involved in some very “heavy stuff” with some very “serous individuals”.

In some ways, I kinda wish now that my mother hadn’t gotten rid of everything as I know now that if I was to read through that stuff today it would make for some pretty interesting and enlightening reading.

Looking back, it was actually a good decision by my mother to get rid of everything we had found, because about two weeks after my father died two men came to our door claiming they were “friends” of my fathers’ from the SOG and he had contacted them prior to his death and asked them to collect some “information” that he had.

My mother knew exactly what they were talking about as soon as they mentioned it and told them straight away that she had found what they were looking for and had already destroyed it. I’m sure they didn’t believe her, but strangely they accepted what she had told them.

At that point they wished her condolences for my fathers’ death, but warned that if the information they had come for ever saw the light of day or surfaced in the media that there could be “serious consequences”. They left it at that, and took off... we never saw or heard from them again.

To this day I still don’t know whether the men who came to our house that day were actually friends of my father or were “stooges” sent by paranoid higher-ups in the police force to fish for any incriminating information that my father might have been hiding.... I tend to think the latter is most likely the case though.

This actually reminds me of a funny story... around the same time we also had to get an army bomb disposal unit out to our house to safely remove the weapons my father had stashed away in our garage... which included large amounts of ammunition, various guns (ranging from pistols through to assault rifles and even high powered sniper rifles), grenades, gelignite etc... god only knows how he got his hands on all that stuff.

Anyway, the army guys that came to our house could hardly believe what they'd found and promptly questioned us about how/why my father would/could have such weaponry stored in our garage. Once we explained to them who he was and that he had been part of the SOG... they smiled, and said nothing further about it. They then got down to business removing everything and putting it all into their truck... it took them almost 3 hours ;)

LOL I have a feeling this probably had a lot to do with why “they” decided to wait until after my father died to try and acquire the information they knew he had been hiding.

[HaveBlue]

That Leonard Cohen song is it Purple Lama? Good song, very true. What D-Day said is very believable as is all posts so far.

Maybe the definition of an 'insider' is someone who has a job where they are told to keep their mouth shut, or else, yet that person knows or becomes aware that the reason for the secrecy is to conceal crime rather than legitimate reasons.

Evil prevails when good people do nothing. I don't think 2012 was a hoax per se.
I think it will prove to be a turning point in history where enough people worldwide said 'enough'!
As humanity becomes aware of the real reasons for wars and all the corruption worldwide, we are all in concert saying 'enough'!
The idea of truth is on everyones mind and nothing is more unstoppable than an idea whose time has come.

Truth being a metaphysical thing, the whole idea of accension does have merit. We will accend upwards to truthfullness rather than decend further into depravity.
Humanity is basically good, so therefore will demand it.

Yes, we will have a one world govt of sorts. Who will guide it is the big question.

If you have or feel the need for bodygaurd(s) you are living in fear. No matter how important you think you are. What a way to live! No thanks!

Gordon Novel is quite right, the trick is to not make them want to kill you in the first place!

[HaveBlue]

Hindsight be such a wonderfull thing, I can't help but wonder if humanity may have been better served if those documents had been given to the likes of wikileaks somehow yet not be traced to you.

I can certainly understand your mums actions at the time though. They would have been wanting anything from his past work related rather than something specific. You don't just keep highly incriminating papers at home and have 'them' know about it and only go to recover them upon your fathers death. They would likely just be 'making sure' any skeletons stayed in the closets.

Was there any sign of a break in after your mum told them she'd destroyed them? They would not necessarily have forced entry, they have master keys.


The corruption of all Police forces in Aussie is well known (Underbelly)
We in NZ are not as public about being a lapdog of the U.S govt, yet behind the scences who knows.

The Christchurch quake was mighty suspicious, a U.S General takes off from CHCH an hour and a half before the quake. Hillary Clinton was supposed to be here at the time but pulled out at the last minute. We rarely get visits from such officails at all so the timing is 'interesting'.

Now our PM, John Key, ex Federal Reserve Board member had to admit a few weeks ago that indeed a U.S spy had been to see him but he would not say why or who it was.

My guess is that when the planned nuclear 'exchange' occurs as Bill Ryan has reported on more than once, NZ and Aussie will become quite prime real estate, as will other southern hemisphere countries.

[modwiz]

If one finds themselves wondering if D-day's post is for real, a few statistics to ponder:


-In the western world, one out of every 6 police officers is a Freemason.

-I'm not sure if there is a single judge in the western world that is NOT a Freemason, and most of those came from the BAR, ie, lawyers.

-When the head of the East German secret police left his command, by that time he had 1 out of every 6 East Germans spying on one another. Note the correlation to the 'secret society' level of police force infiltration.....and get ready for the next data point...:

-That ex-head of the east German secret police, was hired by the FBI to help them organize themselves and their internal USA population/citizen spying network.

FWIW. When I had to deal with a DWI, I enlisted a fellow Freemason from my Lodge as my attorney. He tried to get me a better deal but it was no go. Two Freemasons and we got treated like commoners. My lawyer did give me a very good deal on what he charged me. So, having a 'brother' be my lawyer saved me about 33%.

Everything Carmody says is true, and there is unholy collusion, for sure. Us Blue Lodge Masons are the ones who drive people to treatment centers and donate to all kinds of local awards and scholarships. It is like a country. You have the people and you have the controllers.

I say this to help others not get confused. Carmody knows all of this. I saved him some typing. :P

[witchy1]

I work for one of those top 50 companies (very much a minion) - Head office is Gemany. We do get random bits of research and news information from Europe on the intranet which at times seems to have little bearing on our day to day business but is clearly of interest to the Global business.

About 6 months ago they presented the Zurich research showing that a most of the worlds business can be directly related to just 50 companies. (One of which is ours - actually its in the top 30). Noting that if one company is in distress, this would propogate given these structures are unstable. That same article is here http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html

A couple of weeks ago there was an intranet article - They stated that the world population is decreasing in ALL countries - with the exception of 2 (from memory Bangladesh and Pakistan). I cant find reference to it on Goog, so will see if its still at work and reference it here for all to see.

[Mulder]

great thread...be careful Indeed, nobody who was really connected would be able to answer this! I'm not connected at all - for the record.

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxx

[Mark]

I can say yes to the OP. I can also say that it is multi-generational. I will finally say that living a spirit-centered life removes one from the "game" to a large extent.

[RampartRanger]

I have a cousin who literally flies Predator drones for a living for the USAF. He is stationed at some base near Las Vegas. Needless to say we don't talk much because of the demands of his job (doesn't have time to visit family much) and how much I dislike what he does...

According to my uncle, his son (the cousin) fired the Hellfire missles that drove Gaddafi from his compound into the hands of the Lybian rebels who then killed him, "since we didn't want to kill him ourselves [PR nightmare] but we wanted him dead nonetheless". He also told me the satellite connection from where they control the drones in NV has about a two second delay for when the drone actually receives the command in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

A few years ago before he was a drone pilot, the cousin also showed me pictures from his tour of duty in Alaska. Flying his F-15, his squadron intercepted some Russian aircraft coming in proximity to our Alaskan border. The planes they sent were 1950s bombers...according to him they were "testing our response". They basically turned around when they were met by the F-15 squadron.

Tthat same uncle works for Lockheed Martin. He claims he basically manages all the people who work on anything electronic for Lockheed at his facility. I kind of find that hard to believe since pretty much everything Lockheed makes is centered around electronics I'd imagine...