The question of an attack on Iran in 2013

[Tesseract]

My view has been that there would not be an overt attack on Iran before 2013, and possibly not until 2015 – mostly due to the immaturity and slow development of Iran’s nuclear program. Now 2013 is upon us, the Arab world is disintegrating, and the cards seem to be rather conveniently falling into place for Israel – presenting them with a clear window of opportunity.

I hope that this thread can be used for news-sharing and discussion of developments throughout 2013. I will open by laying out the reasons why Israel may feel that the time is almost right for an offensive. This is nothing more than logical speculation – but that’s what you do when you’re kept in the dark..


1) Syria is in a state of disarray, and will very likely soon lose its ability to function as a nation state. Already other countries are beginning to officially recognise the opposition groups as the only representatives of Syria. Once Syria has degenerated completely, Iran will lose it’s only real ally. Should Syria indeed fall, it will rebuild eventually, possibly under an Islamic mantle. For Israel, it would be best to act on Iran during Syria’s interregnum period where it presents the least threat to retaliate in sympathy with Iran or to provide Iran with any form of assistance.

2) Israel had not launched a major military operation since 2008/2009 (cast lead) until the recent Operation Pillar of Cloud in late 2012. This campaign, which heavily involved the navy as well as the air force, served as a training mission for members of the IDF, refreshing the skills of those who took part in the previous campaign, and training those who had no previous experience of a real combat exercise. Iron dome missile defense crews were trained in dealing with large barrages of incoming missiles. Many in Israel saw it as a warm-up for Iran.

At the same time, Hamas exhausted or had destroyed much of its missile stockpile – and again showed that it had no real means to retaliate in a meaningful way. The waters of the new Muslim Brotherhood government of Egypt were also tested. Egypt once again locked the Palestinians in their open air prison (Gaza) so that they could not escape the bombardment or receive aid. Israel now knows it can count on Egypt not to take any particularly belligerent attitude against Israel.

3) With governments in the UK, Canada, Australia and the USA that are intensely and overtly pro-Israel, Israel can be comfortable in knowing that it has the maximum possibility of finding government support in the Western hemisphere. This may or may not be particularly important if any operation against Iran does not flare up, however if things were to get out of hand then government support at the international level may be very useful. Both Korea and Australia will be on the UN security council in 2013 (both of these countries failed to support Palestine at the recent vote for Palestinian statehood).

4) Elections. The US election is over, and in January Netanyahu will likely be re-elected in Israel. With these distractions of democracy aside the anti-Iran agenda can be pursued. With both leaders on the record prior to the election as threatening Iran, both can claim that a public mandate exists for them to take action against Iran. Upon re-election, Netanyahu may take the opportunity to purge any pacifists out of his new cabinet, and/or the top military.

5) The Obama administration was worked with Israel to set up an extensive missile defense system, allowing Israel to be able to largely counter any retaliatory missiles. An additional $467m was authorised just before Christmas 2012. http://gestetnerupdates.com/2012/12/23/478-million-in-funding-for-iron-dome-arrow-and-sling-sent-to-obama-for-signature/ This is in addition to hundreds of millions already handed over by the Obama regime for the Iron Dome program.

6) Support from the Arab gulf. It has emerged via leaked cables that Saudi Arabia actually championed an attack on its Persian rivals. Although the Saudis may profess outrage at the idea of an attack against an Islamic state in public, behind closed doors they are likely to condone such a measure. Other states such as Qatar have exhibited a new-found spirit of intervention (think Libya) and may also relish and support any blow dealt to the Persian state.

7) Netanyahu’s Spring 2013 timeline. Various sources have presented Iran nuclear bomb timelines – all of which have proven to be completely wrong. However, no prime minister of Israel has ever stood before the UN and stated a timeline as explicitly as Netanyahu did this year, with his absurd little cartoon bomb. In that speech he cited spring 2013 as a deadline. Now, the only way for him to not lose all credibility is to bomb Iran near that date and claim that if the bombing hadn’t occurred, Iran would have manufactured the atomic bomb. Since, if Israel doesn’t strike and 2 years later Iran still has no nuclear weapon, Netanyahu and Israel would lose all credibility.

8) The media, and the Israeli and US governments, benefit from a public target to demonise in order to win the battle of public perception. In Iran, that hate figure is the current president, Ahmadinejad. Once Ahmadinejad is gone, Israel loses a lot of rhetorical ammunition to the detriment of its hasbara. Ahmadinejad’s term expires in the northern hemisphere summer of 2013, which may raise the chances of a strike before then. Iran may also be less effective as a state around the time of a change in government. One has to wonder if this is the real reason why the spring 2013 date was chosen by Netanyahu.

9) The sanctions card. The longer sanctions run, through 2013 (and perhaps beyond), without an Iranian nuclear compromise, the more credible becomes the argument that they are not an effective measure. Israel (and Obama) just needs to be able to claim that they gave sanctions a chance.

10) A number of other minor developments exist that may be interpreted as Israel advancing preparations for an attack. Israel has secured 10 000 more bombs and 6900 guidance systems (presumably JDAMs) from the US, including hard penetration weapons. Of course they did have their stockpile diminished by Pillar of Cloud, but not by that much. http://rt.com/news/israel-gaza-pentagon-precision-830/

Interestingly, the government of Israel is seeking to recruit a Farsi speaking spokesperson. http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/diplomania/speak-farsi-netanyahu-s-got-a-job-for-you.premium-1.489476 The article makes the obvious point that they will soon need someone to explain to the Iranians why Israel launched a war against their country. Veteran defense minister Ehud Barak has stated he will not be running for another term. Is this because he doesn’t want to be associated with a disastrous attack on Iran?


To finish, the only certainty is uncertainty, and as always there are arguments against, which I have not presented here. I am simply saying that the chances of a strike in 2013 are elevated compared to in recent years.

[Maunagarjana]

Thank you, Tesseract, for this very thorough collection of relevant points. It does look like something will happen in 2013. I just hope that it isn't the absolute disaster I envision it could be. But I don't see how. The folly of such a course of action cannot be overstated.

[johnf]

Iran is really the present day sword of Damocles, as far as world events go. If you care about what happens you don't want to look up, but heck you know it is always there.

[Matisse]

You have brought up many good points Tesseract. In my view of things the best timeline for israel was before the american elections, and i truly truly hope they have missed their window of oportunity, because this
could turn out to be the mother of all wars. Strategically there is no way Russia and China could let this happen without retaliation, so it would be a world conflict.
I don't think Obama is such good friends with Netanyahu, it's true that his administration has worked to put in their missile defensive system, but maybe this was a compromise to avoid the war, also for re-election,
actually i think the best thing of the Obama administration has done is to avoid the war with Iran while their has been much pressure to do otherwise.
As far as the crediblility of this spring 2013 deadline goes, I think it's been almost 20 years ago i first heard of this Iran nuclear threat, but i'm not to sure if credibility is an issue, it sure wasn't for Iraq when 3 quarters of
the world were against it because it had no crediblity.
As to Netanyahu, i agree with you fully, this is what he wants. I think it's his obsession, and maybe in the spring he will... then we will see how the other players react...
You are right in everyting you have stated, i'm just looking for an alterantive path, even most american and israel generals think this war would be a mistake...
may we all live in peace and love someday...

[applecrusher1992]

I situation in Syria I think is better than most think but worse than most hope for. I also believe that if there was a war with Iran the United States would not so easily be able to take over the country. They want to attack Iran not because of their nukes but I believe they want to attack them because they don't control them financially but more importantly because they don't want them to succeed with their free energy programs. IMHO, I think that is what Iran is really working on. Of course I could be wrong. :)

[modwiz]

Call me clueless as to what this thread is about. I'll watch how it develops. Speaking of "the time is right" for a war crime, confuses me. It could be use of the word "right". Perhaps my pedantry obfuscates the obvious. :confused:

[Vitalux]

Well......The USA, and it's allies will sooner or later attack Iran, or any other country they wish to destroy.
Why shouldn't they, after all, the American public supports this kind of degradation of human life.

The Military of the USA have invaded and taken over more than 50 other nations since world war two with next to no opposition.
Why would they stop now :confused:

One easy solution is for the public to resign from the corporation of the United States of America.

I see it this way, if I was working for Mc Donald's Restaurant and did not like they way they were doing business I would quit.
I believe it works much the same way for an American citizen. They just are members of a corporation.
Kill the corporation, solve the problem.

[Wind]

Will nature take care of us before we do? That is the question.

[MorningSong]

I ran into this info yesterday:


So, what if the *real* problem the US and others have with Iran's nuclear program is that it will collapse the hydrocarbon fuel industry - and all of the industries that run on this antiquated, environmentally-destructive fuel?

That's sure what it's looking like to me...

Could be, IMO!

LVtxlZQ9BxY

http://www.lawrencevilleplasmaphysics.com/

[Carmody]

Call me clueless as to what this thread is about. I'll watch how it develops. Speaking of "the time is right" for a war crime, confuses me. It could be use of the word "right". Perhaps my pedantry obfuscates the obvious. :confused:

I'm all with that Mod. I just wish people would wake up and put themselves on the line, in the direct sense, instead of all this 'hiding in the woods, maybe they won't notice me' stuff. There is now no woods to hide in, anywhere on this planet.

(Ecuador, for example, is supposed to be a great place to go and hide. Except for the fact that it is now turning into the first country to implement fully operational and widespread/complete biometric scanning.)

The march of time and humanity has made that age old solution of keeping one's head down, a fully obsolete trait and tactic. that time is gone, it's over. it's finished, it is no longer possessing of any hope of a chance. you are up against a wall with some animalistic NWO psychotic form of a thing, which has a gun in your mouth. And it is spitting mad, and ready to pull the trigger. The point is that, the suppression is not 100% complete yet, so it can't quite get it done. But, oh so close.

There are two sides to this. One, that people need to be informed of potentials that may be and are in front of them but they tend to do their damnedest to forget the second, which is two...- that they can stop it by the literal and real act of risking themselves.

Until they commit to number two, this will continue to roll on in the shape of their fears manifesting themselves as a reality.

It really is that simple. As in, get off your duff ...and get it done.

Until then..NOTHING.

This forum is full of the kind of people and frequented by the kinds of people who are on the fence and aware that nothing will change until they do this thing, this risk of the self.

But we, as a group and as individuals, keep hoping, our bodies keep hoping..and that there is some other solution than that of 'direct risk'.

And that our bodies, the ego bodies, keep injecting in the formation of our thoughts, that we must hesitate to move forward on the known aspect of direct risk and direct involvement in the physical motion and physical inclusion being a full 100% requirement.


That all reading this.... know, at their core intellect and mental function that the requirement to get this world fixed is full 100% direct involvement.

You are simply too afraid in your thoughts and body to allow yourself to consciously understand it as final and full reality.

To me, that is the stumbling block that exists. The hesitation and the fear. which is both created, enabled and cultivated by that which seeks to fully suppress.

So after those who read this, leave this page, try really hard to stop your ego-body from erasing these thoughts and understandings from your mind.

But, I know, your body will help direct the process of forgetting these basic facts.

Good luck to you.

So when you finally remember this post from me, whenever that happens, remember what I said. That your body's fears will help erase the message that full commitment in all ways is required. And then, maybe, you will understand.

[modwiz]

I ran into this info yesterday:


So, what if the *real* problem the US and others have with Iran's nuclear program is that it will collapse the hydrocarbon fuel industry - and all of the industries that run on this antiquated, environmentally-destructive fuel?

That's sure what it's looking like to me...

Could be, IMO!

LVtxlZQ9BxY

http://www.lawrencevilleplasmaphysics.com/

What this video purports is close to what Gordon Duff has been saying, with the exception is that he did not indicate they are online with it yet. Still, I do believe that this threat to the oil pigs is directly related to all of Iran' troubles. Clearly, stating the real cause of animosity from the Rothschild related countries would not sell to the public. So, we instead get Mooslim bogeymen who want to put the USA and Europe under Sharia law while they plot to build nuclear weapons that would be suicide to actually use. They don't have a Sampson in their mythology.

I would like for the video to be factual and not anecdotal. I have no doubt that Iran is working on this and that it is at the core of its' nuclear work. The only discrepancy for me is whether it is operational yet.

[Carmody]

There is an attempt to lock out free energy, alchemy, higher science (black ops science), and energy sources, to produce the environment of "inescapable scarcity".

China appears to be very quietly opposing all of this, via the slow release of the science required to escape such locks.

They should be (china moving forward) doing such a thing, for China as a grouped population and country... is squarely in the target and sights of this enterprise.

[MorningSong]

Fresh off the loom:


Iran media report new cyberattack by Stuxnet worm
Dec. 25 9:10 AM EST


TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — An Iranian semi-official news agency says there has been another cyberattack by the sophisticated computer worm Stuxnet, this time on the industries in the country's south.

Tuesday's report by ISNA quotes provincial civil defense chief Ali Akbar Akhavan as saying the virus targeted a power plant and some other industries in Hormozgan province in recent months.

Akhavan says Iranian computer experts were able to "successfully stop" the worm.

Iran has repeatedly claimed defusing cyber worms and malware, including Stuxnet and Flame viruses that targeted the vital oil sector, which provides 80 percent of the country's foreign revenue.

Tehran has said both worms are part of a secret U.S.-Israeli program that seeks to destabilize Iran's nuclear program.

The West suspects Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapons program, a charge Tehran denies.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/iran-media-report-new-cyberattack-stuxnet-worm

[Deega]

Thanks Carmody, Oh!, I love to read you!, A few comments and remarks.

‘’I just wish people would wake up and put themselves on the line’’,

individually, we are powerless, together, we are powerful, but this seems to be very a difficult thing to do since we are so much dependant on our survival (work, bring money home, work with the program of the elite) for the protection of our family, how can it be otherwise…?

‘’that they can stop it by the literal and real act of risking themselves’’.,

Yes!, risking themselves, for a family it ain’t so easy, you know that!


‘’This forum is full of the kind of people and frequented by the kinds of people who are on the fence and aware that nothing will change until they do this thing, this risk of the self’’.,

this is a ‘’wish’’ for the brave who don’t have a family to care for, you know that we are caught up in a programmed society!

‘’know, at their core intellect and mental function that the requirement to get this world fixed is full 100% direct involvement’’.,

Yes!, but how would you come about doing this…?

All the best to you!

[modwiz]

I guess having families is part of the evil scheme, because this gives "reason" to take oneself and entire family out harms way. That is, to the middle of the flock.

Just brilliant strategy on the part of the planners. Promote family values because it takes them out of the resistance.

[Deega]

I guess having families is part of the evil scheme, because this gives "reason" to take oneself and entire family out harms way. That is, to the middle of the flock.

Just brilliant strategy on the part of the planners. Promote family values because it takes them out of the resistance.


Thanks Mod, if you find that ‘’families is part of the evil scheme’’, what would be your model of polarities uniting and what would you do with the children coming out of these relations..?

‘’Promote family values because it takes them out of the resistance’’, we have this reality, how may we try to divise a better way, any ideas..?

All the best to you!

[ThePythonicCow]

I just wish people would wake up and put themselves on the line, in the direct sense, instead of all this 'hiding in the woods, maybe they won't notice me' stuff. There is now no woods to hide in, anywhere on this planet.

Hiding in the woods is about as effective as "duck and cover" under one's wooden school desk, beneath the fast moving shadow of an incoming nuclear tipped ICBM.

To my way of thinking, the keys are awareness and engaging.

I don't mean awareness in some singular moment (as in "when did you first wake up"), nor as a state that one is in or not (as being "awake and aware".) It's more like being somewhere, you've no idea just where, in a vast cave, with a small flashlight. The batteries on the flashlight have a label: "Warning - batteries will usually expire within about a century or less, perhaps much less, perhaps without warning, perhaps right now."

One's remaining battery life is not entirely random; one has a "remaining battery life meter", in the general state of one's health and the prospects for continuing or improving one's health. But that too is a muddle (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/muddle).

Various scraps of cave maps and snippets of stories of dragons and delights elsewhere in the cave are passed about. They are conflicting and confusing and cannot possibly all be correct. What's there, in its totality, is vastly more than the small flashlight of one's mind can possibly comprehend. The very vastness of the incomprehensibility is incomprehensible, perhaps at least Aleph One http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/9/b/c/9bc9d952e0d3fb65351053e08b3dfe0a.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph_number), if such a metric even applies here (for the Universe is better modeled not as one infinitesimally divisible space, but rather as a partial ordering of many self-organizing quantum layers.)

One's chances depend critically, but not entirely, on awareness. If you know what's about you, where the opportunities and dangers lay, your life here is more likely to be long and abundant, than short and brutish. No guarantees, of course. Since you never know more than some infinitesimally minute portion of all that is, there's always that big "luck" factor there, representing the rest of all that is, ceaselessly changing.

One becomes more aware of that with which one engages, whatever one walks toward and tries to experience, engage with or manipulate.

One engages more with that of which one is aware, taking action where one notices opportunity or danger either to one's flashlight (one's physical being), or to one's awareness (the chance to learn more or avoid confusions).

The vortex of one's awareness and engagement are like the vortices formed by the fields and particles of a plasma. One's awareness focuses much as plasma vortices focus due to the pinch affect (http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Pinch+Effect). All this is happening in parallel of course, at each self-organizing quantum level, at the same time and interacting across levels.

So one must be

ceaselessly moving away from the herd, toward the greatest dangers and greatest opportunities that one is aware of so far, so that one can become more aware of them and learn of others,

while at the same time not losing touch with the herd of which one is an integral part and which is essential to one's larger awareness and well being (as well as being a great source of dangers and confusions),

while at the same time not being engulfed and destroyed by the dangers you're approaching (with awareness or not), nor passing up the opportunities before you in some eternal quest, like Captain Ahab seeking the great whale Moby Dick (http://www.americanliterature.com/author/herman-melville/book/moby-dick-or-the-whale/summary).

[Tesseract]

Thanks for all the great input and discussion above.

Note for Modwiz ;), I did use the ‘timing is right’ phrase just as a figure of speech – definitely do not wish to imply that there is any legitimacy to a bombing mission.

Regarding Obama and Iran, there seem to be conflicting signals. Usually in such a situation it is best to form judgements based on actions, not on words. To analyse further: Barak Obama publicly presented an openness to dealing with Iran, and gave the impression with his words that he favoured a diplomatic approach for dealing with the so called nuclear issue. But what were his actions during the same period? He coordinated with Israel to unleash the stuxnet virus, which physically destroyed industrial and scientific equipment, and probably injured or poisoned personnel. This was an explicit attack against Iran’s power generation capability, its ability to manufacture medical isotopes, and its ability to conduct scientific research – not really much different from a dropping a bomb on the facility. This crime would formally be considered an act of war if perpetrated against the US [ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304563104576355623135782718.html
].

Also, while wearing the peace mask in public, Obama was sending military drones into Iranian airspace to gather intelligence, certain to be of use for future bombing missions, either US or Israeli. The administration then lied, claiming that the drone was over Iran just be accident. And of course Obama has turned a blind eye to lethal Mossad operations inside Iran. The Obama administration also de-listed the MEK as a terrorist organisation – making it easier for the MEK to attack Iranian government targets. You also have the unjustified sanctions, which are killing people indirectly, and which are harsher than even those laid down by the Bush regime.

So, given all of these surreptitious actions by Obama – how on earth does he expect the Iranians to consider him to be a faithful negotiating partner? It’s absurd. Obama does not deal with Iran in good faith and therefore he debases the notion of diplomacy, the same diplomacy he claims to be trying to use to stop a war. This facade will likely collapse fairly soon.

I do not feel that Obama wants anyone to bomb Iran blatantly, depending on Iran’s response it could be quite bad for the US, but he definitely has no interest in honest negotiation and a just outcome. Netanyahu was right when he said that ‘the US is easily moved’.


Regarding Russia and China – I really can’t credibly predict what they would do in response. China had its embassy bombed in Serbia and did not do a lot about it. I think if Russian technicians are killed by a bombing mission it will force Russia to be stronger than they have been in the past. It might be interesting to go through some possible scenarios in another post sometime.


The comment by Matisse about credibility not being so important is probably on the money – because citizens do not hold their leaders to account too often.

[Flash]

That all reading this.... know, at their core intellect and mental function that the requirement to get this world fixed is full 100% direct involvement.

You are simply too afraid in your thoughts and body to allow yourself to consciously understand it as final and full reality.

To me, that is the stumbling block that exists. The hesitation and the fear. which is both created, enabled and cultivated by that which seeks to fully suppress.

So after those who read this, leave this page, try really hard to stop your ego-body from erasing these thoughts and understandings from your mind.

But, I know, your body will help direct the process of forgetting these basic facts.

Good luck to you.

So when you finally remember this post from me, whenever that happens, remember what I said. That your body's fears will help erase the message that full commitment in all ways is required. And then, maybe, you will understand.

Just reading it and I have solar plexus reactions. Of course the body if afraid and will try stopping it. To be conscious of it at the moment it happens is a start. Now, the next step is to stop it a millisecond before it happens. This is quite a dive, it is jumping down the bridge thinking the water won't open for your being to slide in. When reality is most probably different.

[Flash]

China plans 50 to 100 years in advance. They won't react to a single bombing in Serbia if it is going to jeopardize the plans.

[Tesseract]

Israel goes to the polls in 2 days - should be interesting..

Netanyahu still stirring the Iran pot, nothing out of the norm, amidst visit by US senators: http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=300178

[Rocky_Shorz]

a 25,000 year old civilization isn't in a hurry to change...


- should be interesting..

Netanyahu still stirring the Iran pot, nothing out of the norm, amidst visit by US senators: http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=300178

speaking of change, half of Israel's Parliament was tossed out today...

[Tesseract]

The latest prediction for the new knesset:


20140

source:

http://www.haaretz.com/

[Tesseract]

This perennial specter has re-emerged on the radar after a brief hiatus.

A US government agency has published an official report warning that Iran may have an ICMB capable of reaching the USA by 2015.

Story here: http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-propaganda-pentagon-accuses-iran-of-developing-icbm-missiles-capable-of-reaching-the-u-s-by-2015%E2%80%B3/5342659

Actual report here: http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/nuclearweapons/NASIC2013_050813.pdf


We also have another dissident telling stories about a new secret nuclear base:

http://www.jpost.com/Iranian-Threat/News/Iran-denies-dissidents-nuclear-site-allegation-319655



And, worst of all, we have Netanyahu making new urgency speeches. He now says Iran is weeks away from his red line, a change from 'months'. He moans that Iran has 190 kg out of Netanyahu's 250 kg enriched uranium limit. Story here:

http://www.jpost.com/Iranian-Threat/News/Netanyahu-trying-to-re-focus-worlds-attention-on-Iran-tells-cabinet-sanctions-need-to-be-stepped-up-319763

We are now in what I have always thought would be the window for an attack (~2013-2015). From a zionist perspective, there can hardly be a better time to launch one.

- Syria is struggling to hold itself together
- Hezbollah is partly deployed in Syria
- Iraq is a complete mess of sectarian violence
-The gulf is in support of an attack on Iran
- Lebanon is as weak as ever
- Egypt is plagued by a constitutional crisis
- Palestinians are divided over Syria
- There is a high tolerance for war among the population of Israel's allies
- Given French, Italian, American and British action in Syria, Iraq, Libya and elsewhere - none of these major countries is in any position to criticise anything that Israel might do.



Meanwhile Israel is building up its arsenal with american bombs. Some say this is all bluff from Netanyahu, but I don't believe that. I just hope that saner people in his government mount an opposition to his plans. Personally, I feel that Israel (from a military perspective, and if they are to strike at all) is best suited to strike sooner than later, and I worry that this could well happen this year.

[Tesseract]

Meanwhile the EU has declared the military wing of Hezbollah to be a terrorist organisation. As much to do with Syria as Iran, but I thought I'd post it here.

[turiya]

Syria is in a state of disarray

A few things about Syria...

July 23rd, 2013

- More B.S. Reasons for War in Syria (http://investmentwatchblog.com/more-b-s-reasons-for-war-in-syria/)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daoCoYSxCJI

Does this look like Syria is in a state of disarray?

- Iran, Iraq, Syria to form troika to export gas to Europe (http://www.blacklistednews.com/Iran%2C_Iraq%2C_Syria_to_form_troika_to_export_gas _to_Europe/27518/0/38/38/Y/M.html)


http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/Iran_Iraq_Syria_to_form_Troika_to_export_gas_to_Eu rope_625_x_430.png (http://www.shana.ir/fa/newsagency/174040)

- ‘Act of war’: U.S. general gives options for Syria military intervention (http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/14251)

The top U.S. general has set out five options for military intervention in Syria in a non-classified letter made public Monday.
But no where does this letter (with its options) address the issue that a war against Syria will mean war with Russia. And, it does it really need to be pointed out to anyone that the US government doesn't have the money, the manufacturing, or the troop strength to insure a positive outcome in a conventional war against Russia!

- US And Russia Simultaneously Announce Intent To Arm Opposing Sides In Syria (http://www.businessinsider.com/us-russia-intend-to-arm-sides-in-syria-2013-7#ixzz2ZvBmQedm)


http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/51ee999ceab8ea3b62000024-480-/barack-obama-vladimir-putin-5.jpg

- US military effort in Syria could backfire: Pentagon (http://mytechnologyworld9.blogspot.in/2013/07/us-military-effort-in-syria-could.html)

General Dempsey provided the unclassified, three-page letter at the request of Levin:
- Assad presents a formidable challenge
- ...long-range strikes on the Syrian government's military targets would require "hundreds of aircraft, ships, submarines and other enablers," and cost "in the billions."
- Training, advising and assisting opposition troops, he wrote, could require anywhere from several hundred to several thousand troops, and cost about USD 500 million a year. An offensive of limited long-range strikes against Syrian military targets would require hundreds of aircraft and warships and could cost billions of dollars over time.
- Imposing a no-fly zone would require shooting down government warplanes and destroying airfields and hangars. It would also require hundreds of aircraft. The cost could reach USD 1 billion a month.
- Thousands of Special Operations forces and other ground forces would be needed to assault and secure critical sites," he wrote, with costs well over USD 1 billion a month.
- "A decision to use force "is no less than an act of war," he wrote, warning that "we could inadvertently empower extremists or unleash the very chemical weapons we seek to control."
Source (http://mytechnologyworld9.blogspot.in/2013/07/us-military-effort-in-syria-could.html)- NATO: Assad Prevailing in Syria (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35608.htm)

The officials said Assad’s military, backed by Iran and Russia, would capture major rebel strongholds with the exception of northern Syria by the end of 2013.
- Syria government is stronger now, British PM admits (http://presstv.com/detail/2013/07/21/314871/uk-pm-assad-govt-is-stronger-now/)
Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has strengthened his position in recent months, British Prime Minister David Cameron admits.

- NATO: Assad, Russia and Iran are prevailing in Syria (http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/07/19/nato-assad-russia-and-iran-are-prevailing-in-syria/)
NATO has determined that President Bashar Assad ended any short- or mid-term threat from the Sunni revolt in Syria.

Officials said NATO, in consultation with Western intelligence agencies, assessed that the Sunni rebel campaign against Assad failed over the last three months.

http://www.worldtribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/shamseddin20130124122740423.jpg


As far as Israel is concerned, and to the delight of the Zionist banking cabal, the biggest loser in all this (war w/ Syria) would be America.

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Regarding Egypt, Syria, Israel & the Muslim Brotherhood:

The following is a cross-post from another thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61011-Jeff-Rense-interview-downloads&p=706200&viewfull=1#post706200):

Rense 7/22/2013 (http://rense.com/)

Hour1: Dr Hesham Tillawi PhD - Mideast Crisis Analysis (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/2d21sgz3br/rense.20130722.1of3.mp3)

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Notes & quotes:
This whole Arab Spring thing goes back to not just Egypt, but the entire region of the Middle East. This whole thing has been concocted by the Zionist powers to destroy these Middle East Nations, especially those that are looked at by Israel as an enemy.

When Morsi had first come to power, the U.S. insisted that this be done. Mubarek needed to be gone, because all the Arab regimes that had been there for 30-40 years, they had expired, they no longer serve the needs of Israel. They were more an obstacle for Israel's agenda for the world. So, for each nation, they had to 'design' a specific plan for each country, based on that country's politics & population.

For example, different strategies were needed for Egypt (10 million population) vs Libya (4 million with practically no military). In fact, it was the U.S. & George Soros that financed the take down of Mubarek.

With Gadaffi, they had to go in and take him out within 6 months, but with Egypt, they could not use such force. They had to actually design something else for Mubarak. Most of the youth movement that it was the U.S. & George Soros that financed ways to get the youth out into the streets. That is not just an opinion, that is a proven fact. They were training people, not just in Washington DC, but also throughout Europe. There were places in Spain, France & Italy that were taking the Egyptian youth & training them.

The question that everybody asks is: "Okay, why then Morsi?
How could it be that the Muslim Brotherhood, with 80 years of hate & animosity toward the West, how could they accept being in bed with the U.S. (& Israel) - whenever we say the "U.S.", we mean Israel who is really calling the shots in that region. So, in order to implement regime change in Egypt, they had to go through Morsi. The US could not afford to have Morsi in there for very long, otherwise, he would have much better control over the military & the economics of Egypt.

So, from the very beginning, it was a strange relationship between the Muslim Brotherhood & the U.S. - But the U.S. had something else in mind... change the regime while Mubarak is in Egypt, then not let the next political leader finish his term. So, as soon as Morsi was elected, the US went to work to bring him down. It took one year but they took him out.


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The waters of the new Muslim Brotherhood government of Egypt were also tested. Egypt once again locked the Palestinians in their open air prison (Gaza) so that they could not escape the bombardment or receive aid. Israel now knows it can count on Egypt not to take any particularly belligerent attitude against Israel.
And this surfacing within the last couple days:

A Cross-post from here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61357-Michael-Rivero-What-Really-Happened-JustinTV&p=705636&viewfull=1#post705636)...

-Muslim Brotherhood Working for Israel (http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/muslim-brotherhood-working-israel)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMqDwrmdLvs

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