Hormesis - Healing Yourself with Low Dose Radiation [Archive]

Dawn

26th December 2012, 04:04

I’ve noticed this topic mentioned in a couple of posts, however there does not seem to be a thread focusing on this important topic... so I thought I'd start one.

Low dose radiation has been shown to be effective curing many diseases

Including cancer, eliminating pain and inflammation, and in anti aging programs. There is some evidence that some of its amazing healing properties may come from controlling or eliminating fungus in the body. There are formal studies in Russia which support this, however there haven't been any studies recently in other countries. This was not always the case, before the advent of 'modern' medicine low-dose radiation was being used to cure many diseases in the western world.

In my research it has become clear to me that it might just be the most effective and rapid cancer treatment that there is! There are no undesirable side effects, as in conventional and many alternative medicine treatments.

Because the diseases it effects are so widespread, I’ve decided to embark in a simple protocol for myself as a preventative aging measure. One of the wonderful things about hormesis is that it is very inexpensive.
A short list of diseases it has been shown to cure

Cancer
Macular degeneration and cataracts
Arthritus
Inflamation
Diabetes
Thyriod diseases (both too active and underactive)
Asthma
MS
Pain of all kinds in all places in the body
Many spinal injuries
Allergies
Autoimmune diseases of all types

An educational video on Curing Cancer with Hormesis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CPQdTm1tLk&feature=player_embedded#!

I AM EDITING THIS POST ON 10/16/13... I am more than ever convinced that radiation hormesis is a wonderful healing modality. However, I need to CAUTION everyone reading this to STAY AWAY FROM THE PARASITE CLEANSE AND PARASITOLOGIST (Dr d'Angelo) being recommended by NightHawkMinerals!!!!!

BEWARE! If you choose to follow their recommendations and do this treatment it could be FATAL!

Unfortunately, I did follow their advice and, although it has been 4 months since finishing the protocol, I am still extremely ill from it. BEWARE PARASITE CLEANSE PROGRAM RECOMMENDED BY NIGHTHAWKMINERALS!!!

A few web sites full of information and links:
http://www.nighthawkminerals.com/videos.html
http://radiation-hormesis.com/
http://www.radioactivethings.com/

How to make your own Hormesis tools at home:

If you decide you’d like to add some low-level radiation to your life, in order to enhance your health and/or roll back the clock on aging, here are some ideas of where to start and how you can purchase ingredients inexpensively:

How to instructions:
http://radiation-hormesis.com/#Specifications_for_a_typical_1_cm_across

Jelwelry considered safe by the FDA that are slightly radioactive: http://www.radiant-beads.com/

EBay is a good way to search too. Try putting ‘URANIUM GLASS’ in the search box there.

Wearing uranium glass beads and putting uranium glass marbles in a gallon of your drinking water overnight are a very safe and easy way to begin this process. If you have been ill then you might have some cleansing reactions such as diarrhea, caused by fungus die off. If the cleansing reactions of your body become intense then just back off a bit.

Scientific Papers to Read Online ...

Historical Perspective Hormesis: Implications for Low-Dose Cancer Risk Assessment
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2889502/
© 2010 University of Massachusetts

The Truth About the Health Benefits of Low-Dose Radiation
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/nuclear.html
© 2005 21st Century Science Associates. All rights reserved.

modwiz

26th December 2012, 04:20

I’ve noticed this topic mentioned in a couple of posts, however there does not seem to be a thread focusing on this important topic... so I thought I'd start one.

Low dose radiation has been shown to be effective curing many diseases

Including cancer, eliminating pain and inflammation, and in anti aging programs. There is some evidence that some of its amazing healing properties may come from controlling or eliminating fungus in the body. There are formal studies in Russia which support this, however there haven't been any studies recently in other countries. This was not always the case, before the advent of 'modern' medicine low-dose radiation was being used to cure many diseases in the western world.

In my research it has become clear to me that it might just be the most effective and rapid cancer treatment that there is! There are no undesirable side effects, as in conventional and many alternative medicine treatments.

Because the diseases it effects are so widespread, I’ve decided to embark in a simple protocol for myself as a preventative aging measure. One of the wonderful things about hormesis is that it is very inexpensive.
A short list of diseases it has been shown to cure

Cancer
Macular degeneration and cataracts
Arthritus
Inflamation
Diabetes
Thyriod diseases (both too active and underactive)
Asthma
MS
Pain of all kinds in all places in the body
Many spinal injuries
Allergies
Autoimmune diseases of all types

An educational video on Curing Cancer with Hormesis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CPQdTm1tLk&feature=player_embedded#!

A few web sites full of information and links:
http://www.nighthawkminerals.com/videos.html
http://radiation-hormesis.com/
http://www.radioactivethings.com/

How to make your own Hormesis tools at home:

If you decide you’d like to add some low-level radiation to your life, in order to enhance your health and/or roll back the clock on aging, here are some ideas of where to start and how you can purchase ingredients inexpensively:

How to instructions:
http://radiation-hormesis.com/#Specifications_for_a_typical_1_cm_across

Jelwelry considered safe by the FDA that are slightly radioactive: http://www.radiant-beads.com/

EBay is a good way to search too. Try putting ‘URANIUM GLASS’ in the search box there.

Wearing uranium glass beads and putting uranium glass marbles in a gallon of your drinking water overnight are a very safe and easy way to begin this process. If you have been ill then you might have some cleansing reactions such as diarrhea, caused by fungus die off. If the cleansing reactions of your body become intense then just back off a bit.

Scientific Papers to Read Online ...

Historical Perspective Hormesis: Implications for Low-Dose Cancer Risk Assessment
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2889502/
© 2010 University of Massachusetts

The Truth About the Health Benefits of Low-Dose Radiation
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/nuclear.html
© 2005 21st Century Science Associates. All rights reserved.

At Saratoga Springs NY they have a lot of different kinds of springs one can obtain water from. One contains radium. They recommend drinking only one glass a day on the plaque at the spring. This was 20 years ago. I wonder if the situation is the same. I took home a gallon and I enjoyed it until gone. It felt very good to me. I am an Aquarian with Uranus for a ruling planet. A little radioactivity is resonant for me. :thumb:

Thanks for your post, Dawn.

Dawn

26th December 2012, 05:04

Modwiz: At Saratoga Springs NY they have a lot of different kinds of springs one can obtain water from. One contains radium. They recommend drinking only one glass a day on the plaque at the spring. This was 20 years ago. I wonder if the situation is the same. I took home a gallon and I enjoyed it until gone. It felt very good to me. I am an Aquarian with Uranus for a ruling planet. A little radioactivity is resonant for me.

I always love your posts Modwiz. In the 1930's there was a special home water dispensor called a Revigator. It was lined with radioactive Carnotite. The recommendation was to fill with drinking water and let sit overnight, then drink 6 glasses of it daily. These are no longer made, however a modern site offers a very small piece of Carnotite to set in your water jug overnight... and then drink to 6 glasses daily. I am in the process of setting up my own hormesis protocol and have started with 18 uranium glass marbles soaking in a gallon of water. So far today is my first day with this treatment and I've had 4 glasses. I had a surprise sudden colon cleanse with no other signs of healing crisis. This is good news to me as I have a chronic systemic fungal infection which I've done a lot to mitigate. Here's a link to a photo of an old Revigator
http://www.radioactivethings.com/_Media/revigerator_med.jpeg

I am still researching and am watching another very informative video right now about a Colorado clinic which uses Hormesis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwI4DRnNpv0&playnext=1&list=PL968C4ED3C1953BC6&feature=results_video

Tesla_WTC_Solution

26th December 2012, 13:33

Does palladium work this way?

could palladium buildings heal people??

Czarek

26th December 2012, 15:38

you could just go to any Nuclear Medicine department's patient waiting room and sit with all the patients waiting for their scans. :)

MargueriteBee

26th December 2012, 17:46

Then why did the radiation make my sister's tumor grow?

Arrowwind

26th December 2012, 17:53

I certainly would not mess with radiated water. Kudos to those who wish to experiment
but I wont be having dinner at your house anytime soon. ;)
Its all about frequency. Changing the frequency in the water IMHO.
For this I would put my money and bets on Photonic Water, not radiation.

Homeopathy also changes the frequency of water and is a safe solution for health issues.

Dawn

26th December 2012, 18:38

Tesla_WTC_Solution: Does palladium work this way? Could palladium buildings heal people??

I asked Wiki the following for you: Is palladium radioactive?
Best Answer: Nearly all of the palladium found in nature is of six stable isotopes. There are traces of a radioactive isotope, 107Pd, also found, but the quantity is insignificant. Like all elements, palladium has synthetic radioactive isotopes.

Does palladium release radioactive energy? No,palladium doesn't release radio active energy.It can absorb hydrogen .

Czarek: you could just go to any Nuclear Medicine department's patient waiting room and sit with all the patients waiting for their scans.

I’m going to answer this as though you meant it, though you might be joking. Hormesis depends on stones and rocks found in their natural state. When these are refined and made into man made radioactive substances they become toxic. Low dose radiation is health promoting, high dose radiation from synthetic concentrated substances is toxic and can kill. Hormesis depends on continuous exposure to low doses of radiation from natural stones.

Rocks: The online links I provided actually check the levels of radiation given off by the stones they provide to be sure the dose is safe and helpful.

Uranium Glass: In the case of uranium glass, these beads are actually approved to wear as jewelry and have been around since the 1920s

MargueriteBee: Then why did the radiation make my sister's tumor grow?

Did your your sister elect to go the ‘modern medicine route?
It is widely known that these high doses of radiation (used in modern medical establishments) do not work in the long run because they burn and kill tissue. If you spend some time studying Hormesis, you will find very inspiring stories from many cancer patients who totally healed their disease. There is evidence that cancer is actually a fungal infection and that the healing from hormesis may result from its ability to kill fungus within the body without harming the patient. Scientific studies on Hormesis have not gone into enough depth to show the exact route it uses to cure, only that it does work as a cure.

I am so sorry your sister is ill. I have a very close friend who died of breast cancer this year and another one who now has colon cancer. Their illnesses motivated me to do this research. Loosing a loved one to cancer is painful and I’d rather not experience that again.

Arrowind: I certainly would not mess with radiated water. Kudos to those who wish to experiment but I wont be having dinner at your house anytime soon.

One of the saddest things about our present world is the lies and false programming we have all been subjected to. Many at Avalon focus on trying to find out our REAL history, REAL science, the REAL governments and controllers, and how to REALLY heal ourselves. It isn’t easy to drop these old programmed beliefs. I understand totally where you are coming from here.

I would probably never have been open to this idea if someone I love and trust had not read books on the subject and slowly exposed me to these ideas. If you have the courage to risk changing a cherished belief then I highly recommend you read:

Underexposed: What If Radiation Is Actually Good for You? by Ed Hiserodt
here is a link for it at Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Underexposed-What-Radiation-Actually-Good/dp/0930073355/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1356546709&sr=8-1&keywords=underexposed+is+radiation

Czarek

26th December 2012, 20:24

[QUOTE]Czarek: you could just go to any Nuclear Medicine department's patient waiting room and sit with all the patients waiting for their scans.

I’m going to answer this as though you meant it, though you might be joking. Hormesis depends on stones and rocks found in their natural state. When these are refined and made into man made radioactive substances they become toxic. Low dose radiation is health promoting, high dose radiation from synthetic concentrated substances is toxic and can kill. Hormesis depends on continuous exposure to low doses of radiation from natural stones.

Rocks: The online links I provided actually check the levels of radiation given off by the stones they provide to be sure the dose is safe and helpful.

Uranium Glass: In the case of uranium glass, these beads are actually approved to wear as jewelry and have been around since the 1920s

Dawn, I was actually serious. I must appologize for all my posts being short as my family life takes most of my time... Back to the topic. The level of radiation coming off a patient that was injected with Tc-99m Gamma emitter is low. It's relatively weak gamma (140keV). Best part, it's free! So pick up a book and spend an hour few feet away from them :).
What's very interesting to mention here is that nuclear industry is waking up to the fact that these low levels of radioactive exposure rules (ALARA, as low as resonably achievable) need to be revamped as more and more studies are coming from the scientific community confirming the fact that some levels of exposure over natural background levels are beneficial to human health. I've attended a number of lectures this past spring on this topic. Dawn, I was very happy to hear that! It also made me reconsider all these European radioactive pools of waters Spas that I kept hearing over the past years. Gailen Windsor videos are also interesting, although I can't find myself being brave enough to eat Uranium. ;)

Dawn

26th December 2012, 21:08

Actually there is a rich wealth of information on Avalon about the safety of radiation. One of my favorite videos was uncovered on an Avalon thread. If you have ANY concerns about radiation this is a MUST see. It will probably clear the lies and false programming you're afflicted with right up! If you think radiation is bad for you.... WATCH THIS!
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46819-A-video-they-won-t-want-you-to-see--Galen-Winsor-nuclear-scam-

I honestly think that the reason we've been taught that radiation is bad is that our ignorance is profitable for TPTB. In the case of hormesis.... it is very profitable for the cancer industry. After all, if cancer was no big deal, just think of what would happen to ....
~The American Cancer Society
~Oncologists
~Hospitals
~Social Security (as people would live longer)
~Cancer research labs

TargeT

26th December 2012, 22:29

Click away ;)

https://unitednuclear.com/images/mainpics/nerd.gif (https://unitednuclear.com/)

Be sure and read the reviews on this one... haha:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41KH6M0LWJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000796XXM)

Dawn

27th December 2012, 01:41

Thanks TargetT

Click away
https://unitednuclear.com/images/mainpics/nerd.gif

Be sure and read the reviews on this one... haha:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41KH6M0LWJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

The comments on the second link had me rolling in laughter. My stomach is sore now thanks to you so I got my abdominal exercises for the day.

The first link is actually pretty good. I have purchased some products from them.

And tonight I will complete my purchase of some Uranium Glass necklaces to wear so that I can have a constant low dose exposure. If I ever go out with them to a nightclub with blacklights I will be the talk of the town because they phosphoresce nicely. From my research this should get rid of the long term fungus infection I've been dealing with for the past 20+ years and improve my energy level... but it will be a slow process lasting 2-5 months.

TargeT

27th December 2012, 03:49

I was trying some different pendants to wear,, a random string of 5 beads isn't very ego savory... haha

so far I haven't found anything, I'll post a link if I do.

Dawn

27th December 2012, 08:32

I received an email on 4/19/2011 that I'd like to share. Unfortunately the link to the original article no longer works, but you will get the idea. Now... just to be clear here.... Radiation Hormesis uses only VERY low doses of radiation, unlike what is being discussed here. However, I really like the concepts expressed:

Radiation is light and has a high vibratory frequency
I just read this amazing post from a woman who was exposed to large amounts of radiation during her many visits to the soviet union following Chernobyl (she was president of the Center for International Dialogue). She tells of meeting many Russian doctors who were trying to heal children near Chernobyl, most unsuccessfully. However, one group had really healthy kids. Here's her description of how they did it:

They told me that radiation is light and has a high vibratory frequency. Through their spiritual practices of meditation, prayer, Yoga, eating less dense foods, faith and love of God they could raise their own cellular vibration to that of radiation to offset the harmful effects. They were smiling and even joyful.

"You see," one Russian doctor bubbled with excitement, "We are using radiation as our spiritual guide. It forces us to be more fully conscious each moment of every day. If we have a negative thought it reduces the vibratory frequency of our cells and we become more susceptible. If we are angry, critical or fearful, our cells vibrate at a slower pace and we can become ill. If we become lighter, we become light and become one with the light of radiation. You see," they beamed, "radiation is our spiritual practice."

The full post is here, and contains many suggestions for dealing with radition, including food, baths, etc.
http://www.ramavernon.com/Radiation.html (sorry... this link no longer works)

To me this is astonishing and feels quite important.

I vaguely remember Paula Gunn Allen writing about a prophecy (I think) that said that yellow earth (Uranium) would help us evolve. I wonder if this is what the prophecy meant. Does anyone else remember this?

What a wonderful concept.

About 10 years ago I went through a series of acupuncture treatments and became quite close to the LAC (Licensed Acupuncture Clinician) who was providing these. She had me hold various mudras (hand and finger positions) while she checked my chi balance. She had learned to use these to correct her client's current chi imbalances, as well as potential future ones. She confided in me that a number of instructors from her College had worked together to check chi imbalances far into the future, however they became very frightened and stopped their work. The reason for their fear?: all people they checked past 2012 were radioactive. Since these LACs were uneducated about Hormesis they assumed that everyone in the future had radiation poisoning and was dying.

With the news about our Sun and its increasing solar storms ... wouldn't it be interesting if it provides Hormesis for all of us here on Earth? After all, according to studies, we are all underexposed to radiation and more exposure would be very good for our health.

PS: Just for fun, here's a photo of a uranium glass necklace that I will be using to improve my health and strengthen my immune system. This photo shows how it fluoresces under a black light. In normal daylight it is just yellow tinted glass:
http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/pict/360543707408_1.jpg

ThePythonicCow

27th December 2012, 09:24

Dawn

27th December 2012, 18:38

One of the defining events in my life which caused me to believe lies about radiation was a film about Madam Curie's life put out by Hollywood which showed that radiation had poisoned her and shortened her life. Well.... it turns out that this is a total LIE!!!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6FWd8H4eevo/TbxKKQFYuRI/AAAAAAAAvMQ/COz-uFSpGak/s200/Marie-Curie.jpg

Myth: Marie Curie died of radiation poisoning at a young age.

Fact: Dr. Curie was concentrating radioactive ores in a huge caldron that was so potent that she could literally read at night by the radioactive glow. (Think what she was inhaling.) During WW I, she worked on the wounded brought in freshly from the battlefield, holding the film with her bare hands as x-rays were taken. She got lots of radiation—it wasn’t even measured until detection instruments were invented, developed and deployed. Yet, she still out-lived the normal life-span for that period of time.

In her life Madam Curie worked on retrieving uranium from natural ore. To give you an idea of how concentrated Uranium is here is a quote:

In 1921 the U.S. was holding a ceremony to "honor a discovery and the discoverer" and gifting Madame Curie with a gram of radium for her work. Professor R.A. Millikan gave a speech on the "Significance of Radium" and explained that discovering radium was like finding a needle in a haystack. He said to get a gram of radium (worth $100,000) "... it took 500 tons of Colorado carnotite ore (Temple Mountain is part of the Colorado Plateau.), which possesses 2% of uranium, and to treat it with 500 tons of chemicals" (Millikan).

No Wonder Uranium is toxic!!!! In Hormesis natural carnotite is used frequently. Waaaay less hot than Uranium!!!!!!!

TargeT

27th December 2012, 19:38

http://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Quantum-Science-Scalar-Pendant/dp/B003RZGBB2/ref=cm_pdp_rev_itm_title_1
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Pi-N7aHhL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

1.27 micro-curies

apparently the "fake" pendants have higher radioactive components (funny that I am seeking that as most websites declaim the radiation as hype & probably only coming from "fake or knock off pendants")

No clue what the rad level on this is, it looks to be a large uranium enriched marble with UV led's illuminating it.
http://www.bigbluesaw.com/saw/images/stories/andrew-lindsey-pendant.jpg
http://drewsrobots.blogspot.com/2010/05/for-those-who-wanted-one.html

this is a bit more difficult than I thought it would be, though I guess that makes sense with the current zietgiest against radiation.

MargueriteBee

27th December 2012, 20:02

TargeT

27th December 2012, 20:18

Dawn, yes, she was too afraid to do anything but what the doctor told her. She died last September. She only agreed to try cannibus oil after the doctors said she had 3-6 months to live, but I couldn't find any in time. She wouldn't before cause her husband was a sheriff's deputy and it is totally illegal in Texas. She was too afraid to try MMS also. The doctors were like gods to her. And, every chemo treatment was around $6k.

it seems (unfortunately) that once Chemo starts alternate methods have little chance of working, chemo is so rough on your body, the radiation doses are SO HIGH it's criminal in my opinion.

I am sorry for your loss, I wish the outcome could have been different.

Your sister is very representative of the typical American, they think doctors can do no wrong (even though the "accidental" medical death rate is the #1 killer in the US) and only in desperation (aka very late) do they turn to even consider other options; I lost my mother a few years ago in similar circumstances.

Dawn

27th December 2012, 20:23

Hi Targe T, I don't think Scalar waves are in the same category as natural radiation from uranium ores. But, honestly, I'm not sure so I will do some research and get back to you on this. And... my partner liked your Amazon link to Scalar pendants and bought one. Meanwhile Here's a pendant made from uranium ore that you might like. More like this are available at: http://02dde63.netsolstores.com/wellnessinstructorsstaffonly.aspx
http://02dde63.netsolstores.com/images/products/thumb/wirewrapgreenswtone.jpg

TargeT

27th December 2012, 20:26

Hi Targe T, I don't think Scalar waves are in the same category as natural radiation from uranium ores.

the "scalar waves" are just what that pendant is sold under (which I think is sort of a new-agey quasi-science B.S.) however the pendant is made with a small quantity of Thorium 232 and trace amounts of uranium 238 (thus the 1.25 mSv, too low really but better than nothing, especially since these effects are supposedly "cumulative" perhaps a pendant mixed with a few beads??)

I'll be moving to Utah soon, they have some old Uranium producing mines there & I'll take a giger-counter with me to find some ore, the prices on some of these things are a little to "gougey" for my taste.

if I find some good stuff I'll post it here, anyone who wants some I can mail it to them.

(probably won't do it till the warmer spring months though):yo:

Dawn

27th December 2012, 20:31

MarguriteBee: Dawn, yes, she was too afraid to do anything but what the doctor told her. She died last September..... The doctors were like gods to her. And, every chemo treatment was around $6k.

I feel so sad that this story is repeated all over the western world every day. The suffering is so horrendous, and the profit taking from the medical establishment is unconscionable! Many independent studies show that western medical treatment for cancer does not prolong life and does not cure the cancer. This leaves those who trust in this establishment to suffer prolonged agony, actually caused by the supposed 'health' treatments, before they finally die. So extremely sad!

I know that cannibus oil is supposed to be excellent for cancer, however as you mentioned, it is illegal in most places. Hormesis is NOT illegal. Anyone can get treatment this way. There are places cancer patients can go to receive treatment, but most opt to simply treat themselves at home. The procedures are easy and not expensive. However, as with all true healing, patients can expect some detox.

I like the Night Hawk Minerals company because they supposedly assign a 'healer' to everyone who uses their products at no charge. They claim that healing from cancer is very easy for most clients. For a person suffering from cancer this would be very welcome indeed. I haven't used this service, though I did order one of their 'starter kits' at http://www.nighthawkminerals.com/

Earth Angel

27th December 2012, 22:20

my best friend has just been diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer.......I asked her would she like any of the alternative healing info I have sent to her and she replied " I will do their chemo and radiation for sure"......I sent her info on urine therapy anyway and she replied " I would only consider that to save my life"....um , yea , that's why I sent it to you!! another friend also in the same boat has had the surgery, chemo and radiation, and is now suffering immensely with radiation burns on her chest.....I sent the urine therapy info and links and said even if you cant drink it soak a cloth and apply to the burns.....her reply NO WAY !!! its very frustrating but what can I do but accept that this is their journey ..... one friend said if the chemo and radiation didn't work she had a file of alternative things to try, but as mentioned by TargeT , once you've polluted the body with radiation and chemo these things like MMS do not work or not as well. So sad.

Mulder

28th December 2012, 06:06

Dawn

28th December 2012, 09:31

The No Safe Level Myth:

.....No radiation exposure and the immune system won't work...a mortality rate of 100% at zero radiation dose due to massive immune system dysfunction. Thus, the study seemed to demonstrate that we cannot live without low level radiation. If there is no-safe-level to ionizing radiation because huge levels of exposure surely cause cancer, how can it be that low levels of radiation might be completely safe and possibly essential to life?

Hormesis and Radiation

Hormesis is a concept which can be traced back to the ancient Greeks, who believed that too much of anything can be deadly. Conversely, substances that are harmful in large amounts can be beneficial to life in small amounts. To put it another way, the 16th century natural philosopher Paracelsus said, “The dose makes the poison.” Surely, high doses of many substances found on Earth can be life-threatening, but low doses of the same substances often have the opposite effect. Take vitamins, for example. Typical vitamins include small concentrations of substances such as Iron, Magnesium, and Zinc, which are necessary to good health if not essential to life. In large, naturally-occuring concentrations, these minerals are deadly toxins. It seems Hormesis occurs with radiation, as well.

....in the words of Dr. Robert Boyar of Argonne National Laboratory, "There are no data that support a linear inference of harm from nuclear radiation down to zero effect at zero dose. The data indicate that people would live longer and healthier lives if they received a little more radiation, not less."

You can read more of this in-depth analysis here: http://www.hiroshimasyndrome.com/radiation-the-no-safe-level-myth.html

The Truth Is In There

28th December 2012, 09:46

TargeT

28th December 2012, 10:06

...speaking of radiation, isn't it interesting that the healthiest and oldest people live in japan...DESPITE two atomic bombs (and now fukushima), or BECAUSE of them? well, i haven't looked into this low level radiation thing yet and i'm not sure that i believe it's actually healthy but who knows? maybe we're all being healed by fukushima? ;)

no, honestly, by now i'm convinced it doesn't matter anymore because most of us will leave these bodies in the next few years (months, for some) anway.

well if you read Underexposed: what if radiation is good for you ( http://www.amazon.com/Underexposed-What-Radiation-Actually-Good/dp/0930073355) it clearly shows that workers in nuclear factories and other radio-logical exposure facilities have longer average life spans and lower rates of cancer. (due to STRINGENT radiation control regulations they get exposed to VERY low doses, higher than average but still definitely exposed).

Another example of hormesis is Arsenic do you know what other term this is referred to as? it's essential to good health...

Vitamin B17! That's Right, Vitamin B17 in high doses is Arsenic... What happens if you take 9 aspirins at once? (another perfect example of Hormesis )

778 neighbour of some guy

28th December 2012, 12:41

Thanks Dawn, great thread, makes me think of the Galen Windsor story too btw.

Up you go!

Tesla_WTC_Solution

29th December 2012, 00:49

Dawn, thank you for your hard work!

BUT

I believe the isotope that CERN's LHC produces is the radioactive one with the long decay.
Sorry I forgot to mention that I knew about the isotope.

Don't take it 100 percent as fact. But modern "alchemy" via particle collision is the manufacturing of the future and explains alien tech.

:wacko::alien::love:

p.s. i love wiki but because of our world there are some lies on its pages.
also interest groups edit the **** out of it. too

~tesla

Seikou-Kishi

29th December 2012, 04:06

At Saratoga Springs NY they have a lot of different kinds of springs one can obtain water from. One contains radium. They recommend drinking only one glass a day on the plaque at the spring. This was 20 years ago. I wonder if the situation is the same. I took home a gallon and I enjoyed it until gone. It felt very good to me. I am an Aquarian with Uranus for a ruling planet. A little radioactivity is resonant for me. :thumb:

Thanks for your post, Dawn.

Haha, this is brilliant, Mod, in many ways. As a fellow Aquarian, perhaps I ought to try some radium-containing water, though maybe a little less than the Curies :D

Dawn

29th December 2012, 04:11

Tesla_WTC_Solution: Does palladium work this way? Could palladium buildings heal people??

Dawn, thank you for your hard work!... BUT.... I believe the isotope that CERN's LHC produces is the radioactive one with the long decay. Sorry I forgot to mention that I knew about the isotope.

Don't take it 100 percent as fact. But modern "alchemy" via particle collision is the manufacturing of the future and explains alien tech.

Dear Tesla. I am interested in your 2 posts on this thread, which I have quoted above. If you are speaking about the topic of this thread could you please supply a little more information so that I can understand your communication? The short posts you have made are not enough information for me to understand what you saying.

I have looked up CERN'S LHC because of your post ... and I don't understand how this information relates to Radiation Hormesis.

I look forward to hearing more from you

Tesla_WTC_Solution

29th December 2012, 05:13

Sure, one moment!

Here is my understanding of the process of hormesis according to Wikipedia: they say it better than I do.

Radiation hormesis (also called radiation homeostasis) is the hypothesis that low doses of ionizing radiation (within the region and just above natural background levels) are beneficial, stimulating the activation of repair mechanisms that protect against disease, that are not activated in absence of ionizing radiation. The reserve repair mechanisms are hypothesized to be sufficiently effective when stimulated as to not only cancel the detrimental effects of ionizing radiation but also inhibit disease not related to radiation exposure (see hormesis).[1][2][3][4] This counter-intuitive hypothesis has captured the attention of scientists and public alike in recent years.[5]

In popular culture (hormesis):

Particle accelerators in popular culture is about popular science books, fictional literature, feature films, TV series and other venues which include particle accelerators as part of their content. Particle physics, fictional or scientific, is an inherent part of this topic.

Iron Man 2
The Iron Man 2 features a makeshift particle accelerator used by Tony Stark to create a new chemical element, more biologically inert than the palladium used in the arc reactor.

So they are saying it needs to be JUST ABOVE "normal background levels" i.e. the cosmic and terrstrial radiation that we consider average or normal.

We know that a certain isotope of palladium has this property.

This isotope can be produced in a machine LIKE the LHC.

What I am saying is that using modern metallurgy, we should be able to MANUFACTURE BUILDINGS with isotopes that give off this special low level **** and all feel better.

The glass or metal could be extruded from a portable device like a glue gun and in fact I have my own thread on that topic already, in the ocean geothermal energy topic.

Sorry my post was short and I hope my info was okay in this one, it's nice to sit down and think for a moment.
We were in a huge hurry last night.

p.s. watch the Hulk again.

Let me know if this was good please

Hervé

29th December 2012, 05:15

How springs -- hot or cold, spas, hydrothermal pools, etc, disappear off the collective knowledge... following the template of this one:

The answer re: Lithium:

Pluto water (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto_Water)

The active ingredient of Pluto water was listed as sodium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_sulfate) and magnesium sulfate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium_sulfate), which are known as natural laxatives. The water also contains a number of other minerals, most notably lithium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium) salts. Sale of Pluto water was halted in 1971, when lithium became a controlled substance.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto_Water#cite_note-hoosier-0)

Dawn

29th December 2012, 06:13

Tesla_WTC_Solution: What I am saying is that using modern metallurgy, we should be able to MANUFACTURE BUILDINGS with isotopes that give off this special low level **** and all feel better.

The glass or metal could be extruded from a portable device like a glue gun and in fact I have my own thread on that topic already, in the ocean geothermal energy topic.

What a wonderful idea. Talk about thinking out of the box! It is likely this idea is 'way before its time' because most of the population have been 'scared out of their wits' about anything involving radiation. However, for home use for those of us who are informed this would be a wonderful idea.

For me... I have purchased some natural Carnotite, Uranophane, Thorite, and Uranite stones. These are dispersed throughout my home. I have checked the radiation level in my home carefully, and it is still below what is recommended for good health. I am in the process of purchasing a pendant and some pretty uranium glass bead necklaces to boost the amount of low dose radiation my body is exposed to.

NOTE: Tonight I had a very interesting experience. I've had 'swimmers ear' for over 50 years. This is a type of fungus which, according to doctors, is impossible to permanently get rid of. It grows back when my ears get wet (baths and swimming). I routinely use alcohol drops to reduce the fungus growth so that I don't experience itchy-achy ears. Tonight was my first night with 'ear rocks' as suggested on the NightHawkMinerals.com site. Mine were 'home made' and tested at 8,200 Clicks per minute with my Geiger counter. Within 10 minutes of having these in, I began to smell aromas with great acuity. I did not realize how wonderfully aromatically the bananas on the counter nearby are. I decided to leave the 'ear rocks' in for about 40 minutes for my first treatment. It has been a couple of hours since I removed them and my sense of smell is still very keen.

TargeT

29th December 2012, 06:58

Mine were 'home made' and tested at 8,200 Clicks per minute with my Geiger counter. Within 10 minutes of having these in, I began to smell aromas with great acuity. I did not realize how wonderfully aromatically the bananas on the counter nearby are. I decided to leave the 'ear rocks' in for about 40 minutes for my first treatment. It has been a couple of hours since I removed them and my sense of smell is still very keen.

Pretty amazing results dawn, I'll play devils advocate and postulate on plasebo a little, but you can easily test this through a bit of prolonged treatement & some "wet ear" tests ;)

btw, 8,200 "clicks" at what measurement scale? mSv?

Dawn

29th December 2012, 08:02

I found a 1929 brochure on healing water with radon gas content. It is interesting to note how much was known about the healing effects of radiation hormesis... and the Unites States Government was first in line in recommending it!

The United States Government says that the radio-activity of natural water is never strong enough to be injurious.
Explanation of the Physiological Effect of Radio-Active Water
The explanation of the physiological action of radio-active water, on the system is that it is merely supplying to the human body a natural element which is normally there in limited degree, but an element of which every organ, gland, tissue and cell of the body has been deprived due to the comforts and conveniences of the modern system of water supply. The human body has suffered detriment for many years by being deprived of this very necessary element of Nature in that it has been consuming water which has flowed for days through reservoirs, water pipes, and faucets and thereby in most cases has lost every vestige of its original radio-active benefit.

In other words, ordinary faucet water or bottled water is devitalized or denatured through loss of its natural and original radio-activity. The run-down condition of the human as an animal compared to the wild animal which drinks water and eats food in its natural form, is perhaps explained by this theory, as is also the fact that most animals live from 1- to 20 times the years required for reaching full growth or puberty , while the human averages less than 4 times.

natural water, the moment of its discharge from the earth, is radio-active, whereas ordinary drinking water does not possess the property to any appreciable extent. Hence, also the desirability of drinking the water at its source, since by the bottling and keeping of a natural water the radio-activity is to a great extent lost... (Arthur Latham, M.A., M.D., Oxon. F.R.C.P. Lond., St. George’s Hospital, London.)

FAMOUS HEALING SPRINGS HAVE HIGH RADON GAS CONTENT:
For centuries the world has recognized the value of health springs, and medical officers now attribute the value of many of the famous health springs to the natural radio-activity of their waters. The radio-activity is one of Nature’s ways of dissolving and eliminating these health-destroying poisons and building healthy cells and tissues. High levels of radioactivity show in these famous springs:

~Hot Springs, Arkansas,
~Hot Springs, Virginia,
~Saratoga Springs, New York,
~Bath, England,
~Vichy, France
~Baden-Baden , Germany

1. Emanation in doses not too large promotes the growth and multiplication of healthy cells, while morbid cells decay.
When introduced into the body, radio-active water, above everything increases the secretion of urine. To prevent any misunderstanding , I must state that the diuresis is not to do the absorption and excretion of an increased amount of fluid, but to the direct influence of the emanation in the water.

2. There is evidence from many quarters, including numerous well-known physicians, that emanation stimulates the activity of the digestive tract. ... thus bringing about increased peristaltic movement. This stimulating effect of emanation on the intestinal tract shows itself clinically by the lessening of chronic constipation, a point the importance of which should not be underestimated by the physicians.

3. The next noteworthy effect is the excretion of uric acid in the urine. The explanation is that the whole metabolism of the body is rendered more active by emanation, a much larger quantity of uric acid is thrown our into the blood, and on subsequent filtration of this blood in the kidneys a relatively large amount is excreted by them.

4. The blood pressure is lowered. This is the natural outcome of the two physiological facts just recorded- namely, dilation of the blood vessels and diminished viscosity- and this in turn leads to lessening of the pulse rate. To send thin blood through dilated vessels requires much less work on the part of the heart than sending thick blood through contracted vessels.

5. There is an increase of metabolism, especially of hydrocarbons and albumin

6. Digestion, both in the stomach and intestines, is rendered more active

7. The sedative effect of emanations proved an effect sufficient to cure insomnia
.... Doctor Saubermann

Here's the link if you'd like to read more: http://periodictable.com/Files/Revigator.pdf

And finally, here is a little film about the history of this interesting topic. You will find that the understanding of how much radiation was too much was unknown.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96STA5BDA

Dawn

29th December 2012, 08:17

TargeT: pretty amazing results dawn, I'll play devils advocate and postulate on placebo a little, but you can easily test this through a bit of prolonged treatment & some "wet ear" tests... btw, 8,200 "clicks" at what measurement scale? mSv?

Yes, I wasn't really expecting any noticeable results, especially since I've read that it can take months for results to show up. I wasn't even focusing on the treatment, but was working on something intently at my desk. However, the fragrance of the ripe bananas became so overpowering that I couldn't help noticing them. My partner sitting next to me cannot smell them. About my ears... well I haven't noticed any change yet. I'm expecting the fungus to slowly go away over a period of months from what I have read. I'll post here if/when I notice change with my ears.

8,200 "clicks" was measured in CPM (clicks per minute). I just measured it in mR/hr and it is 8.2

One thing I should say on this thread (I've mentioned it elsewhere in a thread about dental issues) is that I have been recovering from a massive bone infection brought on by toxic dentistry. Although the offending metals and root canal have been removed, the damage to my skull and surrounding tissue was extensive. I was told that it would likely take years to heal. So... I assume the ear treatment had a positive effect on this issue.

Sith73

29th December 2012, 13:37

Sith73

29th December 2012, 13:49

Back in May I think I developed an eye allergy which was very annoying through the summer. I have never had an eye-allergy before which to me is very odd. I have dogs and used to have cats and I'm fine here at home. Maybe hayfever, but that hits me here and there in the spring and summer. From what I have read allergies mean you have a weak immune system correct? I'm also looking at getting some local honey here soon to start building my system up before spring and summer hit. I would like to try Hormesis-Healing to see what it does for me.

Dawn

29th December 2012, 19:42

TargeT: I'll be moving to Utah soon, they have some old Uranium producing mines there & I'll take a giger-counter with me to find some ore, the prices on some of these things are a little to "gougey" for my taste.

if I find some good stuff I'll post it here, anyone who wants some I can mail it to them.

Sith73: I will take some of those rocks you find. Let me know when you get settled in Utah.

I would love some of those rocks as well TargeT. Perhaps you've just started a small business!

Sith73: Back in May I think I developed an eye allergy which was very annoying through the summer. I have never had an eye-allergy before which to me is very odd. I have dogs and used to have cats and I'm fine here at home. Maybe hayfever, but that hits me here and there in the spring and summer. From what I have read allergies mean you have a weak immune system correct?

The website at NightHawkMinerals.com specifically mentions that Radiation Hormesis works well for those who suffer with allergies.

Also, I must tell you that cats often carry a specific bacteria which attacks the eyes, Chlamydia. I had it without knowing last year, and it was removed by a machine based on frequencies. I felt such incredible relief. If you Google cats and chlamydia you will get lots of info. Here is one site with info: http://www.petco.com/Content/ArticleList/Article/0/-1/1790/Chlamydia-in-Cats.aspx

Sore eyes can also happen because of the herpes virus which 'sleeps' inside our nerves after we've been exposed to measles. Sort of like shingles on your optic nerve. This is pretty uncomfortable and can also be linked to a weakened immune system.

Luckily, you're in the right place... everything I've read says that Radiation Hormesis strengthens the immune system.

Tesla_WTC_Solution

29th December 2012, 20:29

Wanted to tell you guys,

megalith sites were a place where ancient peoples practiced hormesis.

they often have uranium etc down under the stones.

they are called non sepulchral megaliths when the purpose was other than for burial.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oC7BU7dpIVM/UKLAt2MwmeI/AAAAAAAAAc8/zn8Zs68wflA/s1600/stonehenge++-++radiation.jpg

stonehenge was for healing not just for killing and watching.

Dawn

29th December 2012, 23:22

Sith73

30th December 2012, 01:02

Dawn,

Hello, yep I have only had two cats for the past 12-13 years both inside only. They both passed in the last few years of old age. They had shots etc. I went to the eye doctor in May / June for my eye issues and he said you got eye allergies. He gave me a prescription and sent me on my way. We had a mild winter earlier this year and was rainy and hot this year which means more pollen in the air. Not having eye allergies before got me concerned since it bothered me all summer into the fall. Now I have slight to no issues. I went back to the eye doctor over the summer several times and they couldn't help me. I'm looking for another way to solve my problem instead of relying on modern medicine.

Tesla_WTC_Solution

30th December 2012, 23:27

Tesla_WTG_Solution: megalith sites were a place where ancient peoples practiced hormesis.

they often have uranium etc down under the stones.

they are called non sepulchral megaliths when the purpose was other than for burial.

Tesla... please say more. For example... where did you get the picture of Stonehenge? Is is an artists rendering? Is it a photograph taken in some way that it shows radioactivity? Is the outer ring made of uranium ore stones?

And... by the way... what does the WTC in your Avalon name stand for?
Hi there!

I think the Stonehenge (megalith) picture came from Google images. Not sure which site.
I think the colors are photoshopped but show all the stones.
I am not 100 percent certain which henges have uranium under them, but taking a Geiger counter to them is no waste of time!

The name means "tesla world trade center solution" and is a 9-11 joke about DEW weapons :(

edit: back to the henges, scholars now think the celts or whoever lived there built them on top of radioactive soil because they knew about hormesis and psychic manifestations.

Dawn

31st December 2012, 07:56

I am still enthralled with this topic and searching for more understanding. I spent a wonderful evening watching a very old movie. Made 70 years ago, it has great actors and I loved it. It is the story of Madam Curie and the science around her discovery of the element she named 'Radium' because it radiates energy. Her study led to a love of this element by the public, and many products were created based on it.(even face powder for example) Many people got an overdose of highly concentrated radiation because of these products. Eventually the health concerns we are all aware of with too much radiation exposure began to show up. Today the pendulum of thought has swung so far in the opposite direction that almost no one in the United States gets enough radiation exposure for good health.

I'd like to recommend this movie to anyone who is interested in the history of this subject, but also to anyone who would like to spend a relaxing evening being entertained.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1OeIuPxPcM

Ol' Roy

31st December 2012, 10:59

Dear Dawn,

What a lovely movie! I just love old movies. It seems like that was the age of innocence.

I loved her last speech. "Take the torch of knowledge and build the beautiful palace!"

Thanks for the nice gift!

Roy

Tesla_WTC_Solution

4th January 2013, 18:15

came back to see what happened to this thread!!

Thanks to Dawn for being interested and asking the questions that yield interesting answers! :)

Dawn

12th January 2013, 03:09

My testimonial after 14 days:
So far I've noticed a dramatic decrease of swelling in my hands and feet (this is part of the overall inflammation which plagues most older people). I did have 'puffy feet', but now they are small and the skin is wrinkled as a result of a very noticeable decrease in puffiness. The same with my hands. My spine no longer seems 'stiff' and I have fluid movement in my back now.

I used to teach yoga, but had to quit in my early 50s as I got older and became generally stiff and sore all over. Even though my muscles were supple and I had been an athlete all of my life, I succumbed to a reduction in movement due to inflammation which often happens as bodies age. Since beginning radiation hormesis this inflammation seems to be reversing.

I have only been of a 'full schedule' of radiation hormesis for about 14 days now. My self treatments includes the following:
~ drinking water that seasons with a radioactive carnatine stone for 8+ hours.
~ wearing radioactive necklaces (I have several from carnatine stones, to beautiful uranium glass beads)
~ sleeping on a radioactive 'mudpack' made from ground-up naturally radioactive stones
~ bathing in slightly radioactive water made with the help of an antique Revigator I recently purchased
~ taping natural radioactive stones on sore areas such as my foot arch

I have been having a Herxheimer reaction to all of this. It has taken the form of swollen lymph glands and mild headaches. If it becomes too strong a reaction I can always back off a bit on my treatments, but so far it has been within tolerable ranges so I am soldering on. I understand from the literature that these reactions are very common for 2-4 weeks, depending on the health of the user.

I will be adding 'ear stones' and 'radioactive water droppers' to my ear treatment. I've had a fungus infection for about 50 years in my ears. I was told by a doctor in my youth that I would suffer from this malady my entire life. It is fairly common among water lovers and is known as 'swimmers ear'. The new information I've read about radiation hormesis provides hope that l finally will be set free of ear pain and chronic inflammation in my ears. I have been using home made ear plugs I made from old radioactive switches I embedded in commercial foam ear plugs. I'm going to try to use a more natural form of radiation in made from shaped carnatine stones. I'll update you as this progresses.

Uranium Glass As a Healing Tool:
Sith73 recently sent me to this website. Thanks for sharing this link Sith. It is rich in information about radiation hormesis, including testimonials. They have uranium glass beads, which have been calibrated to provide optimal health benefits available for sale. It is yet one more place we can all go to find practical advice and research links about this important topic: http://www.radiant-beads.com/

After purchasing some lovely uranium glass necklaces on eBay, one of the sellers gave me a link to his direct website. Although these necklaces are not calibrated for radioactivity, this type of glass has been around for over 100 years and is considered safe to wear. His website is: www.czechuraniumglass.com

Natural Thorite as a Healing Tool:
My partner owns an internet healing business which makes devices using light frequencies to heal. Prior to that he was a jeweler. Recently he purchased a fairly large lot of natural thorite crystals. These are a form of Uranium ore. He intends to calibrate these for radioactivity and make into lovely wearable art (necklaces). I’ll keep you posted on his efforts on this new line of healing products.

conk

14th January 2013, 20:32

We should go and look at Edgar Cayce's Radiac device. Wonder if it emits radiation?

TargeT

14th January 2013, 20:43

I'll be moving to Utah soon, they have some old Uranium producing mines there & I'll take a giger-counter with me to find some ore, the prices on some of these things are a little to "gougey" for my taste.

if I find some good stuff I'll post it here, anyone who wants some I can mail it to them.

(probably won't do it till the warmer spring months though):yo:

Sorry guys, I accepted a different position & will no longer be going to Utah.. :-( no uranium hunting for me.

Dawn

15th January 2013, 03:54

Conk:

We should go and look at Edgar Cayce's Radiac device. Wonder if it emits radiation?

I studied this device on line and it is clear that it is not based on radioactivity. It seems to be based on circulation of the body's energy through wires into carbon blocks and back. Very interesting, but not radioactive.

We got the thorite crystals in the mail today along with some jewelry findings. We are beginning to work on creating some attractive radiation hormesis jewelry.

I also took a little UV flashlight with me to a 2nd hand store and found some strongly reactive uranium glass earrings glow brightly and have a nice radiation signature on our Radiation Monitor. I will continue to work at creating some health promoting jewelry that is also attractive and fun to wear.

While I have found some wonderful uranium glass jewelry, I am also currently wearing a very primitive and funky Carnotite stone on a thong. It will be nice when I can replace that stone with something attractive. The Carnotite looks like something Fred Flintstone would have made in the Flintstones cartoon series.

Daozen

15th January 2013, 05:56

Thanks so much, I watched a few testimonial videos,

Im excitedly skimming this thread. I downloaded nearly all the links for later use.

Big Question, sorry if its been answered:

What is the best, most reliable product to buy for under 50 bucks? The uranium beads on united radiation are sold out.... So much info I dont know where to start.

I live near China/Taiwan/HK and might be able to source this stuff cheap if anyone has any ideas for a trustworthy source.

*

Serious question: If glow in the dark plastic stars and toys are mildly radioactive, would they have health benefits? Is it the same type of radiation?

Sith73

16th January 2013, 00:36

Thanks TargetT for the update. No problems!

Sith73

16th January 2013, 01:44

Daozen,

I bought some beads last week from http://www.radiant-beads.com/. Going to put one set of the beads in a 1 gallon jug of water and let sit for about 8 hours to change the frequency of the water. The other set of beads will go on a custom necklace that I make. I was told I have parasites due to my allergy. I should have the beads before the weeks over. I will share my experiences in about a week or so.

CdnSirian

16th January 2013, 02:05

Got my beads today. Tentative to wearing them!

Daozen

16th January 2013, 02:21

Thanks Sith73,

I found Radiant Beads are reasonably priced, so I might get them. You can get them even cheaper on ebay if you search for "Lowest price first" and find a Czech seller. There are other sites charging 100 dollars plus per product. Seems like a rip off to me...

Dawn

16th January 2013, 04:31

Daozen: What is the best, most reliable product to buy for under 50 bucks? The uranium beads on united radiation are sold out.... So much info I dont know where to start.

I live near China/Taiwan/HK and might be able to source this stuff cheap if anyone has any ideas for a trustworthy source.

*

Serious question: If glow in the dark plastic stars and toys are mildly radioactive, would they have health benefits? Is it the same type of radiation?

Getting the most for your money: The current ‘best’ way to include radiation hormesis in your health regime for under $40.00 is to purchase natural thorite stones. I have obtained a number of these and measured them with our radiation meter. All of these have measured between 5,000 and 7,000 CPM. This is in the suggested range for a LEVEL I gray healing stone as sold on NightHawk.com. In your budget you should be able to purchase 2 stones within your budget. This would allow you to wear one stone, and make radium water with the other one. Here's a link to find these stones on EBay: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313&_nkw=thorite&_sacat=0&_from=R40

Wearing a stone: the most common way to wear a stone is as a necklace. Easy to use jewelry findings that attach your natural thorite stone to a chain or thong can be purchased inexpensively. You could also put your stone inside a medicine pouch. Many people actually tape their stone to their body with surgical tape. Placing the stone near a sore or painful area on the body can bring specific healing to that area.

Radium Water: There is a long history of ‘taking the waters’ at various natural radium springs around the planet. This has been shown to create lasting healing effects, especially for any type of inflammation such as arthritis or other autoimmune diseases.
To make radium water simply put your thorite stone in a gallon jug of water for 8 hours or more and drink freely. If you are elderly or ill you may wish to start out with just 2-3 glasses of water daily and build up to larger amounts so that you do not overwhelm the body and end up with an uncomfortable Herxheimer response.

Alternate inexpensive treatments: Uranium glass jewelry, buttons, and marbles are available inexpensively. You can discover your uranium glass treasures by carrying an inexpensive UV flashlight with you to 2nd hand stores and estate sales. I have a number of these pieces. The older uranium glass from around 100-120 years ago has a stronger radioactive component because it was common to add more uranium salts to the glass mixtures at that time. However, even the old uranium glass I have found measures only 80 to 120 CPM on the radiation meter. While there is one online site which recommends these for radiation hormesis, it is uncertain if you would be able to find a piece with a strong enough radiation signature to supply your body with enough radiation for maximum benefit. However you may wish to build up a small collection slowly and use these for fun. Here's a link to the general page on EBay for uranium glass marbles: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=uranium+marbles&_sacat=&_odkw=thorite&_osacat=0&_from=R40

Glow-In-The-Dark Modern Glass and Plastic: These do NOT contain radium and do not measure radioactive on a meter. Fluorescence does not mean Radioactive. There is no radiation benefit from glow-in-the dark stars, paint, or widely available modern inexpensive glow-in-the-dark beads.

Daozen

17th January 2013, 05:55

Thanks so much for typing out a great intro to the subject Dawn. Maybe this could be edited into the OP as a buying guide... it'd sure help a lot of people out...

I wonder what the lady who gave the video testimonial used? She was bedridden and gave a ten minute speech. I'll try and find the vid.

If you check here thorite is even cheaper, but I not sure of the quality as Im new to this:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=thorite&_sop=15

Uranium vs Thorite:

Aha, I see Uranium is a lot less potent than Thorite, that helps me decide...

Yes I will probably tape my stone to my body or stick it on a string. Im not much of a jewllery type.

I have tried various healing springs around the planet and they've been interesting but not amazing healthwise

Glow-In-The-Dark Modern Glass and Plastic: These do NOT contain radium and do not measure radioactive on a meter. Fluorescence does not mean Radioactive. There is no radiation benefit from glow-in-the dark stars, paint, or widely available modern inexpensive glow-in-the-dark beads.

Hahhaha. I thought it was a bit of a long shot. I taped a plastic star to my stomach the other day, and just ended up with a massive headache. lol.

I'll post what I end up buying...

Dawn

20th January 2013, 19:34

Daozen: I have tried various healing springs around the planet and they've been interesting but not amazing healthwise

Yes, I think a lot of people have tried healing springs without permanent change. It turns out that water looses its radium within 3-5 hours of loosing its contact with the stones which nourished it. In the 1920s and 1930s companies tried to make a profit by selling water from natural radium rich springs. Because the radium is lost from water so rapidly this was not effective. The US government came out with a warning bulletin to let the public know that they were not getting any benefit from these bottled waters after shipping due to the loss of radium.

Did you know that rain is radioactive? That's right! Rain picks up radon in the atmosphere and delivers it to the thirsty plants and soils all over the earth. If rainwater sits for a few hours it looses all the radon it gathered, just as spring and well water does.

In order to have the benefit of 'taking the waters' you need a continuous source of radium rich water. That is why using a high R rated stone in your water jug works so well. This way you have constant access to fresh radium-rich water, just like natural water in rain and springs.

People who use radiation hormesis for pain and arthritic conditions have noted that the pain of their condition usually returns within 3-10 days after ceasing their treatments. It seems that ongoing radiation and/or radon is needed to continue to receive pain-free benefits.

Sith73

2nd February 2013, 14:23

OK guys well its been several weeks and have been using two sets of beads in a 1 gallon jug of water and have been drinking it everyday: morning and evening. One thing I noticed was the frequency of the water seemed different and its hard to describe. What I do know is it has benefited me tremendously. First it has killed off some internal parasites and I have more energy. Second I haven't gotten sick or had a runny nose with all the hot and cold weather hitting my area. I just feel better every day. Third my eyes feel better as well. All around radiation hormesis works for me. I will keep doing it.

For me my body feels like its craving more radiation. I might invest in a hot stone from Nighthawk minerals at some point.

Dawn

7th February 2013, 03:33

Thanks for the update Sith. I've began wearing a NightHawkMineral grey stone on the thong they provide around my neck. I had a few difficult weeks of a healing crisis, however that has passed. Sinuses became painful, ears ached more than usual, eyes ached and I ended up with the symptoms of a 'head cold' but I stuck with it thinking this was likely a Herximer reaction to the radiation. NightHawk staff had mentioned that this would be likely given my long term issues with toxic dentistry and 'swimmer's ear'.

After a few weeks I decided I might be having an issue with Shingles (a herpes bloom). UV often triggers this and I've had difficulties before with sun gazing over a period of months. Sure enough, with L-lysine and Humic and Fulvic acid treatment the symptoms disappeared. I do not know if the radiation triggered Herpes the same as UV radiation does, but it is a possibility. It is also true that I began the hormesis at the height of winter with lowered sunlight exposure at a time when my immune system is usually somewhat compromised.

Here's the good news. ALL my joints have become extremely limber and I have no stiffness anywhere. I am moving like I did in my early 20s! It is fun to have a fluid body again!!

I really didn't like wearing the rough gray stone pendant, so I have enlarged my jewelry collection to include Uranium glass necklaces in several color ranges. I can now enjoy blues, burgandy's, greens, yellows, whites, and fiery oranges. This makes getting dressed every day FUN!

Uranium glass isn't very radioactive however. My research indicates that 'hotter' jewelry would be better for health maintenance. So, I began cutting and polishing beautiful natural radioactive stones to add to the jewelry.

For foot pain I made a uranium glass bead anklet which includes shiny black thorite beads I made. The thorite beads added 'heat' to the anklet and it is now 200 times stronger than just uranium glass beads. This has done a good job of relieving foot and ankle pain. I also made a lovely uranium glass necklace with a shiny black diamond cut thorite bead for myself and another for a friend who has cancer. This jewelry is beautiful, functional, and in line with the radiation levels used by BlackHawkMineral clients. And... best of all, it isn't much more expensive.

I get compliments on my thorite and uranium glass jewelry every day. It is more fun to wear something attractive rather than a dull gray stone on a thong.

I am still in love with the radon rich water I make daily. It seems 'sweet' in taste to me. I also still sleep daily on a 'mud pack' made from uranium ore stone dust sandwiched in a plastic case.

Daozen

7th February 2013, 03:49

Mint oil, chinese tiger balm type stuff, can help a lot of skin conditions... a quick web search shows it helps Herpes too.

Zeolites are very highly recommended too, might be worth checking out.

Peace

Kimberley

16th February 2013, 00:44

Great Thread!!! I just found this thread today and FYI I interviewed Jay Gutierz of NightHawkMinerals.com today for 2 hours. I will post it when I get it edited...

I only learned about Radiation Hormesis a few weeks ago over at the Galen Winsor thread. Jay was thrilled to view and hear Galen's lecture from 1986 and substantiated Galen's claims that fear of radiation was not warranted...

Will be back in a few days to post more...

Much love to us all!! :grouphug:

ljwheat

20th February 2013, 23:24

This video blew me away, to find out that cancer is nothing more than a fungus.
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Dawn

25th February 2013, 18:48

Wheat: This video blew me away, to find out that cancer is nothing more than a fungus.

Thank you for your post. This is what started me on the hunt for healing... which led me to make this post. I have a dear friend who had stage 4 colon cancer at the time. My jaw was on the floor when I discovered the depth of information on this topic!

An update on my friend. I worked with her and we found a very strong uranium containing stone. It was actually very pretty with a base of quartz rich granite and some orange and yellow autinite all through it. The radiation level of this stone was very strong and equated to a level III stone sold at NightHawkMinerals.com. For a very reasonable cost she bought the stone and I used my lapidary equipment to cut and polish it into 3 pieces:

1. a beautiful hand forged silver wrapped pendant
2. a 'water stone' to charge her water with healing radon
3. a larger 'healing' stone to wear in her pocket over the area where her cancer tumor lurked in her colon.
4. I had some rock 'mud' left over so I also fashioned a little mud pack she can sleep use as well

The total cost of all of this was very reasonable and she had immediate results within just 3 days of treatment. She never had any traditional western allopathic medical treatment for her cancer. She is much better after only 3 weeks of self treatment this way. My role in this was to point her to the information and to make something beautiful and serviceable out of the stone she purchased.

It appears I am going to have my friend around for a long time which makes me very happy.

I think NightHawkMinerals has done amazing work to bring this information to the foreground. I am so grateful to them.

They don't seem to have any interest in creating anything beautiful out of their stones at this time. I am glad to bring beauty into this healing modality. When I have time I'll post some photos of my work. My friends stone is SO beautiful!

ljwheat

25th February 2013, 22:07

[QUOTE ljWheat: This video blew me away, to find out that cancer is nothing more than a fungus.

Thank you for your post. This is what started me on the hunt for healing... which led me to make this post. I have a dear friend who had stage 4 colon cancer at the time. My jaw was on the floor when I discovered the depth of information on this topic!

An update on my friend. I worked with her and we found a very strong uranium containing stone. It was actually very pretty with a base of quartz rich granite and some orange and yellow autinite all through it. The radiation level of this stone was very strong and equated to a level III stone sold at NightHawkMinerals.com. For a very reasonable cost she bought the stone and I used my lapidary equipment to cut and polish it into 3 pieces:

1. a beautiful hand forged silver wrapped pendant
2. a 'water stone' to charge her water with healing radon
3. a larger 'healing' stone to wear in her pocket over the area where her cancer tumor lurked in her colon.
4. I had some rock 'mud' left over so I also fashioned a little mud pack she can sleep use as well

The total cost of all of this was very reasonable and she had immediate results within just 3 days of treatment. She never had any traditional western allopathic medical treatment for her cancer. She is much better after only 3 weeks of self treatment this way. My role in this was to point her to the information and to make something beautiful and serviceable out of the stone she purchased.

It appears I am going to have my friend around for a long time which makes me very happy.

I think NightHawkMinerals has done amazing work to bring this information to the foreground. I am so grateful to them.

They don't seem to have any interest in creating anything beautiful out of their stones at this time. I am glad to bring beauty into this healing modality. When I have time I'll post some photos of my work. My friends stone is SO beautiful![/QUOTE]

You are quite welcome Dawn, Kimberly has interviewed Jay at Night hawk, everyone’s aguishly waiting that post.

These stone you did for your friend were in expensive that’s great, the nice thing is they never wear out with a half life or over 500 years or better I would bet too.

I had a growth in my neck the size of a half dollar that was very annoying, affecting my speech, swallowing. An ultra sound was done a couple years ago, came back benign-- no insurance at the time so did nothing about it, till for weeks ago -- getting my necklace and water stone, I’m happy to say that growth in my neck is now the size of a small pencil eraser and as a side effect I noticed that the dandruff and skin lesions I used to get are completely Gone.

All in less than 4 weeks -- “amazing” and under a hundred bucks to boot. The hospital would have been in the thousands of dollars and I would have still had to deal with my psoriasis---Yippeeee! I can only imagine what else its doing for me, its all good I can tell you.

From skeptic to cured in a very short time.

Much Hormesis to us all -- :grouphug:

Ol' Roy

1st March 2013, 05:57

Hi Dawn,

Just watched Kimberly's interview with Jay Gutierz at NightHawkMinerals.com. I think it could be the most important interview she has ever done! Everbody needs to check this out!

Thanks for introducing me to this awesome therapy! I am going to buy a kit. I have made up my mind to do it.

Can't wait to see pictures of your jewelry. You may have inspired me to start a new hobby in my ol' age.lol Especially, if it could help someone get well!

Kimberley

1st March 2013, 15:56

So, I am pleased to announce that my, February 15th 2013, interview with Jay Gutierrz about Radiation Hormesis is completed!

Here it is on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxCLpA3JDQQ

There is a great thread here on Avalon with more Radiation Hormesis information:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53597-Hormesis-Healing-Yourself-with-Low-Dose-Radiation

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If you would like to download an mp3 file of the interview I loaded it onto sendspace...this link is not permanent (so if someone finds this after it expires feel free to PM me and I will re-load it)

Be sure to ONLY click on the blue box with the words "Click here to start download from sendspace" in it. Do not click any other download buttons or play now buttons. And then save the file to your computer.

Description: Jay Guitierz Use the following link to retrieve your file: http://www.sendspace.com/file/0hrtow

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TargeT

1st March 2013, 18:29

It was actually very pretty with a base of quartz rich granite and some orange and yellow autinite all through it. The radiation level of this stone was very strong and equated to a level III stone sold at NightHawkMinerals.com. For a very reasonable cost she bought the stone and I used my lapidary equipment to cut and polish it into 3 pieces:

1. a beautiful hand forged silver wrapped pendant
2. a 'water stone' to charge her water with healing radon
3. a larger 'healing' stone to wear in her pocket over the area where her cancer tumor lurked in her colon.

My friends stone is SO beautiful!

Sounds like you might have a new hobby/business on your hands ;)

I'd like to see your work but I'm sure I'll be interested in some jewlery from you if you decide to go that route :D

witchy1

2nd March 2013, 23:15

Thank you Dawn. I too have been researching this. I recently read that the most effective stones were found in Colarado New Mexico Utah and Wyoming. The "hottest" ones to be found were in Kerala, India (sorry I cant find the link, but I wrote it down) This site also said that on average the earth gets 2 - mSv/y, but can get to 3 - 8mSv/y and that today we are deficient in radiation by about a third. (not sure how they know that)

I also read in a science journal that 1mGy repairs DNA.

Now I am struggling to understand all the terms used in this science. A millgray is what to a milli severt? A rem is what to a alpha, beta and gamma particle. how does all fit in with a picocurie or curie? ..............arghhh so confusing

I brought the Curie book written by her daughter at a second had shop the other day - will be starting it tonignt.

I agree, Galen Winsor video is very important and thanks also to Kimberley for exploring this.

Dawn, can I ask where you got your gieger counter from? They seem very expensive

Witchy xxxxx

PS just ordered my starter kit..... yikes that hurt the budget - LOL

TargeT

5th March 2013, 01:20

Dawn... I'm serious... I'd love to pay you for some jewelry with silver (true silver) wire wrapping.. something manly... (haha)

let me know if I can commission a piece from you!

Kimberley

7th March 2013, 22:31

I found a great Radiation Hormesis web site with lots of links to others work and such...some of the links do not work however you can search the material that is compiled on this site...

An Introduction to Radiation Health Benefits,
Often Called Radiation Hormesis
Beneficial Health Effects of Radioactivity from Natural Sources

This website has been created by Vinny Pinto, a degreed scientist and a mystic; I have been performing research and development in many of the above-listed fields for years, and, in fact, have worked in some of the realms involving exotic energies since the late 1970s. I authored my first published article about exotic energies (the focus of the article was their uses in healing) in 1981.

http://radiationhormesis.vpinf.com/

Much love!

Dawn

8th March 2013, 19:02

Wow! I go away for a couple of weeks and just look at the rich posts filled with information that have shown up! Thank you everyone.

Dawn, can I ask where you got your gieger counter from? They seem very expensive

Witchy xxxxx

Actually I wouldn't recommend our radiation meter. It works well but is a 'tube type detector' meter, the meters with 'pancake detectors' are more sensitive. We bought ours to become part of the private citizens world wide web site that monitors radiation around the planet after Fukashima: RadiationNetwork.com ... it was one of the handful of meters which interact with their software to make available a map of levels around the planet. We have taken our meter off line because we now have uranium ore in our workspace as part of an enhanced healthy atmosphere, which 'skews' the radiation level reading we have vs the normal background radiation for our area. In fact we have now increased the radiation in our workshop to 10x that of the normal background radiation. It is wonderful.

That was when Fukashima seemed scary. It took some time for the fear to die down about that accident... and I'm glad it happened because it directed me to focus on radiation as a topic, which led to this thread. If you would like to purchase a meter and don't feel the need to purchase a meter compatible with the RadiationNetwork.com then you have a broad range of choices.

Dawn... I'm serious... I'd love to pay you for some jewelry with silver (true silver) wire wrapping.. something manly

OK... when I have a chance I'll put the photo of the manly stone pendant I made on a web page for you to look at. It is amazing how absolutely beautiful some uranium ore stones can be. I wear one that is cut like a diamond and looks like black obsidian, but uranium ore also comes in pearly quartz with veins of orange, yellow, green and with shiny black inclusions. Uranium glass beads come in all sorts of colors and I have found them in blue, green, yellow, red, and amber. So there is a lot to choose from. Not only do I have about 50 uranium bead necklaces that I have created, but we also have purchased some old uranium glass items that originally were not jewelery. We've been cutting them up and turning them into pendants. All of this is in addition to the normal work I do....so things are moving at a somewhat slow pace.

Kimberley- THANK YOU! For your interview (I just downloaded it and will listen to it today) and for the link the the above site. You have an wonderful voice, by the way... filled with strength and music.

Sith73

8th March 2013, 22:55

Dawn,

If you are making or make jewelery with uranium ore send me some picks of what you have for sale.

Thanks!

TargeT

14th March 2013, 01:01

ljwheat

14th March 2013, 13:22

you didn't forget me did you dawn?

I have a PO box now, I'd love to see your pictures and admire your work, I'd love it even more to encourage you by buying your art at a profit to you!

I'd need something fairly robust as I'm on the beach quite often & still in the military during the weekdays

When I got my Necklace from Jay it came with a note about not taking your stone’s threw the airports, so unless you don’t want to tick off the TSA screening before boarding your flight. I would mail them when transferring from base to base while in the military or out.

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ljwheat

14th March 2013, 13:41

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Dawn

18th March 2013, 08:12

TargeT: you didn't forget me did you dawn?

I have a PO box now, I'd love to see your pictures and admire your work, I'd love it even more to encourage you by buying your art at a profit to you!

I'd need something fairly robust as I'm on the beach quite often & still in the military during the weekdays

Hi TargeT, I've been VERY busy over the last couple of months!!!

I decided to create a home cottage industry. I don't know how it will go yet… but…

Here is an example of some of what I have been doing. I'm showing you this just for fun!

I hope you enjoy my sharing with you

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-Sparkling-20-inch-Art-Deco-Green-AB-Vaseline-Uranium-Bi-Cone-Necklace-WOW-/290881760436?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b9e76cb4

and

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-Retro-Czech-Yellow-Vaseline-Uranium-AB-Faceted-Glass-DruzyPendant-Necklace-/290881739109?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b9e71965

and

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-Retro-Czech-Yellow-Amber-Vaseline-Uranium-Glass-Faceted-Gradual-Necklace-WOW-/290881722924?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b9e6da2c

Then, there are the pendants made out of natural radioactive stones. This is an entirely different type of art. It involves stone work and hand forging silver wraps and settings for the stones. I spent today polishing stones. It takes hours of careful work to turn a rough stone into a smooth shiny shape that feels good on the skin and looks beautiful. My next step is to do the last 12,000 grit hand polishing and then to hand forge silver wrap settings to turn them into pendants. The radiation each stone gives off varies dramatically, so I have carefully measured each one in order to be able to tell the new owner about their choice.

All of this is fun, and I have never done any of it before so I've had to 'tool up' and learn new skills. I will have pendant photos within the months (maybe even within the week) and these will be the 'manly' jewelry that you are looking for. I am trying to develop some very affordable but effective things, along with the more beautiful and time consuming pieces. I'll let you know...

I'm moving just as fast as my personal creative process allows

TargeT

18th March 2013, 20:54

If you need anything other than morale support let me know!

I wonder if these sunburns I'm getting function as a kind of hormesis (probably not, as it's too much exposure... haha)

Dawn

4th April 2013, 05:46

As promised here are a few photos of my efforts in the form of polished uranium ore. The learning curve has been very interesting for me on this topic. One of the most amazing things I've learned is that radiation meters (AKA Geiger counters) give very different readings depending on the manufacturer. I use the Mazur Radiation Meter for all my testing because it is the only one I have. It is 'relatively' accurate... that is all its readings are accurate when compared to each other... but they are not the same as readings from other meters.

In the examples of my work on the link below please keep in mind that uranium glass that I have tested runs from 80CPM for 110 year old marbles to 800CPM for my partners amber goblet that was made in France in 1860. CPM stands for Clicks Per Minute. With that in mind I'd like to share with you some of the stones I've been working on. I am planning to sell them for between $50 and $100 + the cost of wrapping them. At the top of the single page I've made is a link to a few of the stone pendants I've made with them.

Love sharing this with all of you... I admit I'm actually feeling a little fear of sharing. Something like exposing my art to public view for criticism and comment (ha ha). This is just a little temp site I created in order to share.

http://photoman.bizland.com/rocks/index.htm

I will have my permanent site up just as soon as I can at :

www.UraniumJewelry.com

Sith73

4th April 2013, 09:32

Dawn,

Hello I would buy one from you. Those are some pretty stones.

conk

4th April 2013, 18:06

Dawn, those stones are crude and ugly. Just box them up and sent them to me for, er, ah, disposal.

They are quite attractive. Your fear of the critics is unfounded. Good work indeed. I have been wearing the necklace pendant for about 3 weeks now, the one from nighthawkminerals.com. So far nothing noted, wondering if I need a stronger stone. "Scotty, we need more power"!

TargeT

4th April 2013, 18:16

your #2 stone wrapped like this:

http://photoman.bizland.com/rocks/stone017.jpg

With a uranium glass bead neck portion methinks ( your the artist though, do what thou wilt)

Let me know when I can buy it! ;)

Dawn

5th April 2013, 04:56

Wow! What a wonderful reception of my 'work'! I am so glad it is well received. I have written a few of you privately about this since Avalon is not a site that is about selling something.

Conk: I have been wearing the necklace pendant for about 3 weeks now, the one from nighthawkminerals.com. So far nothing noted, wondering if I need a stronger stone. "Scotty, we need more power"!

I'd like to put out on the forum what I've discussed 'privately' on my own profile page on Avalon. That is, my reaction to the uranium stones and glass and my healing.

A little less than a year ago I finally found a dentist who I trusted and who was willing to work on me. 45 years earlier I had a root canal for a front tooth that died after an accident I had. Then 16 years ago the same dentist replaced the root canal and added a metal rod which he pounded into my skull. The result of this abuse to my body was quite extreme. It set up an electrical charge in the central channel (governor channel) of my body and this effected all its main organs and glands. By last year I was chronically ill and had developed a severe bone infection and eye infection from this root canal situation. So... now the offending metal rod and dead tooth are gone, but my body is still fighting a low grade infection in my head and face. OK... that is the gory background which caused me to search out radiation hormesis. And now that you have a basic understanding of this I'd like to share what has occurred for me since beginning radiation hormesis.

Within a week of beginning to wear a carnotite stone, sleep on a radioactive mud pack, and drink water charged with a radioactive stone I developed a low grade head ache and itchy ears. If I did not wear the pendant for a day the headache went away but the itchy ears did not. Over time I have developed a very sore scalp and my eyes are sore all of the time. On the other hand, my joints are totally pain free and I am as flexible as when I used to teach yoga.

Now this might sound like some sort of problem, unless you understand how true healing progresses and what a healing crisis is all about. My body had accepted the low grade long term infection, but with the help of the uranium stones my immune system has awoken and is battling the infection. Black Hawk Minerals has many personal healing stories from their clients reporting that fungus infections 'came out through the skin' of the body before leaving. What I am experiencing is right in line with their reports.

Now, my partner has a different story because he has different things going on with his body. He finds no difference from prior to uranium stone exposure except that an uncomfortable area in his upper abdomen is greatly soothed when he wears his pendant every day. He has set his pendant string to allow his personal stone to rest just at his solar plexus and as long as he wears it he has no pain of discomfort in his upper abdomen... but if he forgets to wear it for a few days the pain returns.

Long term true healing is not for the faint of heart. Most of the time the person must go through an uncomfortable period as the body resets itself.

I'm not sure why you have no reaction... but my guess is that you might need a 'hotter' stone. I'm not going to even venture to advise anyone on how hot a stone they need etc. This is a brave new frontier and I'm having a lot of fun exploring it.

I can say that I never spend a day without wearing at least a 200CPM necklace or pendant, and many days I wear a 7,500CPM for all or part of the day. My partner's pendant (shown on the 'Wraps' page of my temp website as a black crystal with a simple forged silver setting) clocks in at 9,500CPM and he loves how he feels with it on.

witchy1

5th April 2013, 10:49

Hi Dawn, I think you are an amazing artiste. Thank you for sharing. Are you putting your pieces on ebay or craigs list?

I too have purchased from nighthawk and the mud pack is an amazing thing. Totally erradicates pain - from anywhere! I wear the pendant and drink the water every day.

Interestingly that this healing, after a while, identifies where things are not right (as in you feel it), and then comes back again slowly to correct it - well at least I think that is what is happening

Im only about 5 weeks in and its an interesting journey.

Karen xxxx

TargeT

5th April 2013, 14:14

I can say that I never spend a day without wearing at least a 200CPM necklace or pendant, and many days I wear a 7,500CPM for all or part of the day. My partner's pendant (shown on the 'Wraps' page of my temp website as a black crystal with a simple forged silver setting) clocks in at 9,500CPM and he loves how he feels with it on.

Just FYI, most "background" radiation is in the range of 15-1,200 CPM (HEAVILY depending on your area & the gigercounter design used) most common is around 25-45 CPM which is like 3 millisievert (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millisievert) (1 mSv = 0.001 Sv)

conk

5th April 2013, 18:16

Often healing is accompanied by worsening symptoms. Sometimes called a Herxhiemer reaction, it's the body ridding itself of toxins, fungi, or the residue from parasites. Sometimes the remedy can stir up sleeping bacteria or viruses from their hiding places in joints or connective tissue. They get pizzed and try to multiple to save themselves. The 'bug' responsible for Lyme is very good at stealth.

Thanks for the notes on your experience with dental issues. Most of us have experienced this, some to a worse degree. Maybe that's my issue. I have about 6 amalgams and two root canals. There is a famous biologic dentist in Atlanta I want to see, but a 4 hour drive each way.......and my extreme fatigue makes such a trip difficult.

Dawn, thank you so much. Three of your threads, and the wonderful contributions of other members, has rekindled my fire for healing. I may never heal, but my children will be gifted with tremendous resources to use in their own lives. Maybe that's my path, to suffer and learn. Then to teach.

Love and hugs, Terry

Dawn

5th April 2013, 18:17

TargeT: Just FYI, most "background" radiation is in the range of 15-1,200 CPM (HEAVILY depending on your area & the gigercounter design used) which is like 3 millisievert (1 mSv = 0.001 Sv)

Thank you for this TargeT, it isn't easy to come to an understanding of this since we've been programmed by our culture since birth. I would love to know what the background radiation on the Colorado Plateau is since they have almost no cancer and I've read they have the highest background radiation in the US and the lowest cancer rates (translated as internal body fungus infections).

On my Mazur Radiation Meter we have 15 to 35 CPM background radiation depending on when the reading is taken. On radiation maps our area (the California Central Coast) is considered to have moderate background radiation, whereas most of the rest of California is considered low and has only about 7CPM background. I don't know what this may have done to the overall health statistics in the various areas but that would be an interesting study. Theoretically this area would have lower cancer rates than the rest of California.

Your mention that normal background radiation can be 1200CPM puts the wearing of the stones into perspective. Under these conditions a 3,600CPM stone would be 3X normal background radiation... which does not seem very hot.

I think I'll put up a page on the web showing various uranium glass and stones I've tested on my meter and their CPM values. That might be interesting information. Meanwhile... here is an interesting site where the various radiation levels of uranium glass objects are compared:

http://1st-glass.1st-things.com/vaselineglass.html#vasn1-4

TargeT

5th April 2013, 20:00

The 1,200 was a reading from a mountain range in alaska that had a lot of exposed rock; I imagine there is natural uranium deposits (or some other matieral) in that area; but it had not been mined so I still count it as "background" though it is one of the higher numbers I've seen in a natural setting.

I did mention it to illistruate that these are very low levels and very "in line" with the concept of hormesis.

Also, note: the 3mSv I stated was a (slightly) educated guess, you have to know a LOT about the material (what does it emmit, Alpha, Beta, Gama etc..) that gave you a cpm reading in order to convert it to a mSv number.. so big grain of salt there ;)

Ask and ye shall recive Dawn:

in the seven Colorado plateau states where backgrounds are up to four times U.S. sea-level background
http://www.aboutnuclear.org/view.cgi?fC=Radiation_and_Radioactivity,Effects_of_Radiation,Low_Levels_of_Radiation

Dawn

5th April 2013, 21:51

TargeT: Ask and ye shall receive: http://www.aboutnuclear.org/view.cgi...s_of_Radiation

Thank you so much for this link TargeT. I think a portion of it is REALLY worth putting here so I'm going to use some of it in random quotes:

Studies are confirming the necessity (and benefits) of low-level radiation environments.....

The threshold for harm is at least ten times the normal background radiation levels, and is probably two or three times higher than that. No harm as been found below these levels. In fact, low levels of radiation exposure produce health benefits....

Humans are subject to background radiation all the time and the normal levels are well known. There is evidence that unless radiation exposure reaches about ten (10) times that normal level there is no harm to humans from radiation. Furthermore, there is now evidence that radiation at or near the normal background level is beneficial to, and even necessary for, life. People living at elevated-radiation levels are healthier than those who receive the U.S. sea-level background radiation dose.....

Very useful information. Boy! Have I been brainwashed most of my life by being taught that any level of radiation is dangerous! Hogwash!

Dawn

6th April 2013, 05:49

MY website is up (though still simple) www.UraniumJewelry.com

I've been translating mSv and CPM and so on between sites so that I could have some basic understanding of what various experts, authors, and scientists are saying in relation to each other. Here are some comparisons that have helped me to understand what the *?+?!?~? various sites are saying about safety... and I've tried to translate them all into one unit of measurement of radiation... I'm just using Clicks Per Minute because it is easy for me to understand

Uranium glass
jewelry:
60 - 240 CPM, depending on the beads
goblets:
60 - 800 CPM, depending on the maker

Natural Uranium Beryl
This is a form of gem like an emerald but with some uranium content, it is used in fine jewelry under the name Heliodor
60 CPM

Natural Uranium containing Stones
Black HawkMinerals.com (all their measurements are in mSv, however I've translated them into CPM
Their 'buy it now stone' ~ 200CPM
Their level I stones~ 6,000CPM -15,000 CPM (all of the rocks shown on my web page fall in this category )
Their level II stones~ 16,000-29,000 CPM (my friend's cancer cure stone she bought and I worked falls here)
Their level III stones~ 30,000 + CPM ( I only have a few rocks that hot)

Natural background radiation in my area 37 CPM
10x natural background radiation mentioned as safe in the above mentioned web site
370 CPM

What is confusing to me is that a very small stone worn as a necklace (obviously) only affects a very small area of the body. In fact
from 1 foot away the radiation is cut to about 1/10 of what it is close up. So, I am really confused on how to figure a way
to compare someone living in an area with higher background radiation (which affects every square inch of their body) to
someone who only has a little rock on a string around their neck. Sigh... anyone on Avalon have ideas on how to compare
these types of information to each other?

TargeT

7th April 2013, 00:58

just FYI, that "10x background radiation" statement is just a wild guess by its author, mSv is a rating of many things calculated into one number, so it's a bit confusing when compared to CPM. BUT I could see the safe range easily extending to 200-400 times background radiation (dependent on the type of emission, beta and gama are 20x safer than Alpha)

Your question on area effected vrs total body etc is very important & also why i'm hesitant to convert these stones to mSv (see video below), for accuracy you need to know several things like 1 Sievert = 1G(a "gray" a unit of absorbed dose, which is semi complex itself) +Wr(Alpha, Beta, Gama.. Alpha does 20x more damage than the other two)+H(part of body getting radiated)

Here's a good breakdown on the conversion of CPM to mSv etc...
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so CPM is definitely a measurable reading, but you need to know what material your working with (so you can tell if its putting out mostly alpha, beta or gama rays) the absorbed dose and the area the radiation is effecting ( your extremities can absorb IMMENSE amounts of radiation when compared to your head and body)

Uranium is mostly beta, so nice and safe (at lest, when compared to plutonium etc..).

Kimberley

7th April 2013, 19:59

Dawn & Target,

I do not understand the numbers so I do not know if this is of any help or not, however you may remember that when I interviewed Ben Williams and he gave me a NUCLEAR RADIATION EXPOSURE COMPARISON CHART that was given to him by Galen Winsor...

The chart is posted in this post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46819-A-video-they-won-t-want-you-to-see--Galen-Winsor-nuclear-scam-&p=519465&viewfull=1#post519465

Dawn

15th April 2013, 05:17

Here is a very interesting personal report. Until the past 2 years I have not used my hands to make a living. When I first began to do this, using my hands to build things for 8+ hours daily was challenging. I found that they were very weak, although I had never realized it before, compared to others who had used their hands this way for a lifetime. I needed to be careful not to overuse them or they would become stiff and the joints sore, but more importantly .... there were many things I could not do well (or could not do at all) due to lack of hand strength.

Standing in my little lapidary studio and polishing uranium ore for a hobby hour after hour has been very relaxing. This week it also produced obvious fruit. As I worked on the latest 'warm' stone my hands and arms began to tingle pleasantly. The tingling lasted even after I was done and suddenly I had hand strength. It is very noticeable indeed! The work I turn out is not only better due to my hand strength, but I can also work about 2x longer.

It appears that some deep healing of my hands and wrists has occurred and it has continued to grow noticeably for the past week. My partner has noticed a difference in the work I turn out as well, which is also nice.

CdnSirian

15th April 2013, 14:57

Great to see your website Dawn!

TargeT

29th April 2013, 20:40

So I've been wearing one of Dawns pendants for about a week now, it's tied in a way that its always against my skin & I will have to cut it off to remove it.

I haven't noticed any healing crisis & probably won't as I'm in my low 30's & still fairly healthy.

However, I have had a rash for around 5 months now & while I have been fairly successful at controlling it with coconut oil it would not go away fully & I would have to use the coconut oil on it daily for a week or more to subdue it.

Well it seems to be gone now & I can only attribute it to the pendant I've been wearing now for a week. I imagine that the pendants location (right below the super sternal notch) is slightly irradiating my blood supply & upper internal organs (heart, lungs etc..)

I had thought something like this would happen but not with out localized exposure; apparently it's effects are much wider spread than I thought.

Sith73

29th April 2013, 21:41

I to have one of Dawns pendents and have been experiencing ,lots of energy,no fatigue, no stress, I sleep better at night, haven't gotten sick and at some point don't require as much of sleep. I believe the pendent is a life force all in its own and have bonded with it. In a way it protects me. I never take it off unless to shower. Drinking my charged water while wearing my pendent I feel good. I may even get a stronger pendent at some point. Currently I'm getting the word out about radiation hormesis and trying to awaken them spiritually. I take it one day at a time in helping others.

Thank you Dawn!

Dawn

5th May 2013, 21:07

This is such an interesting topic because we are way ahead of the curve compared to the rest of the population. Of course, there has been programming to scare everyone away from this topic.

However, as in most things we study deeply, we are actually RE-remembering this information.

I too have tons of energy! Yet I am still in some sort of 'healing crisis' involving the area around the poison dentistry I had removed a year ago (sigh). Even so, my energy is amazing and I sort of feel like the 'Energizer Bunny' character.

isoutar

17th May 2013, 18:50

I posted the http://radiation-hormesis.com site with all the research papers sent by the listed researchers.

The thorite crystal ring is used for acupuncture and it seems to stimulate without needles.

On the site you will see that T D Luckey and Jay Gutierrez have actually met.

On another site we are selling uranium glass beads.

Http://radiant-beads.com

Most bead stores can buy them. 4 uSv/hr is the output of 5 U glass beads that are about 1cm across. They are always 2% uranium because that produces the best fluorescence under UV light ... Which is why they were popular for dancing under black light in the 1960s hippies.

Ian Soutar
Vancouver Island

Dawn

18th May 2013, 03:50

Isoutar: I posted the http://radiation-hormesis.com site with all the research papers sent by the listed researchers.

The thorite crystal ring is used for acupuncture and it seems to stimulate without needles.

On the site you will see that T D Luckey and Jay Gutierrez have actually met.

On another site we are selling uranium glass beads.

Http://radiant-beads.com

Most bead stores can buy them. 4 uSv/hr is the output of 5 U glass beads that are about 1cm across. They are always 2% uranium because that produces the best fluorescence under UV light ... Which is why they were popular for dancing under black light in the 1960s hippies.

Ian Soutar
Vancouver Island

Ian, I am so glad you took the time to post here. Are you aware that your site has been posted on this thread and I recommended people look at it? I really enjoyed all the work you did gathering information and support for this important topic. Your posts were one of the reasons I began this process.

Do you have any personal experiences to report? Also, I still do not understand how receiving 4 uSv/hr from a bead over a very tiny area of the body compares to normal talk of a person being exposed to this amount... say in a mine... or a nuclear power plant. Because, in these instances the radiation would be received on every square cm of the body... not on just ONE cm, such as when wearing a bead.

I am happy you shared your knowledge about 2% uranium in beads from the 'hippie' era. This type of bead usually measures 50-80CPM on my radiation meter. They glow beautifully green under black light or in the UV present in sunshine.

However I have found that in antique beads the percentage of uranium can be MUCH higher. Recently I acquired an antique amber necklace. My intention was to dismantle it and use the quaint bead caps in a new design but it seemed curiously heavy so I checked it under black light and with the radiation meter. To my surprise it tested at 500CPM. That is about 100x the radioactivity of uranium beads made in 'modern' times. In fact, this necklace is more potent than many of the uranium ore samples I've acquired!

I really like this site: http://1st-glass.1st-things.com/vaselineglass.html
This site shows the results of comparative radiation testing on various vaseline glass objects, including jewelry. There is definitely a big difference in the amount of radioactivity in the things he shows there.

I found another site recently which explains that uranium glass is an interesting medium. Since glass is used to block harmful alpha radiation emissions, then incorporating uranium in glass during the process of manufacture creates a unique product which is not dangerous to life or health. When I have a chance I will look up this link and post it.

Meanwhile, I'd love to hear more from you. Thank you so much for posting here. And... can you take a moment to answer my question about the effect of radiation on 1 sq cm vs over the entire body?

TargeT

18th May 2013, 19:02

can you take a moment to answer my question about the effect of radiation on 1 sq cm vs over the entire body?

My theory based on an EXTENSIVE lack of knowledge and pure guess work / thought experiment goes something like this:

Radioactive items worn at or near the neck (near very large blood vessels and the heart) slightly radiate your blood, there by passing the radiation (at lower levels I'm sure) throughout the rest of your body; this is why I tried to get a higher strength piece of ore & have not taken it off since I received it (a month or more now?).

but again, that's just what I thought up while in the shower wondering if I was slightly irradiating the water that ran off the stone & down my chest (I'm sure it would be very slight, but this is something that could be tested with a Geiger, exposing small amounts of water for brief moments and seeing if they raise in CPM, or repeatedly exposing them with breaks in between to quasi-simulate blood going through the circulatory system).

If your feeling experimental that is...

Dawn

18th May 2013, 19:19

TargeT: My theory based on an EXTENSIVE lack of knowledge and pure guess work / thought experiment goes something like this:

Radioactive items worn at or near the neck (near very large blood vessels and the heart) slightly radiate your blood, there by passing the radiation (at lower levels I'm sure) throughout the rest of your body; this is why I tried to get a higher strength piece of ore & have not taken it off since I received it (a month or more now?).

I LOVE your wry sense of humor and candor! Bravo! Intellect is only a small part of wisdom, and likely not the wisest part! I have been 'looking' at this situation with curiosity myself. Using conscious awareness to discover what is happening is a game I like to play all day, every day. Anyway... wearing a pendant (or a uranium glass necklace) puts the radiation over the thyroid and parathyroid gland, as well as the spinal column near the brain stem in the rear of the body. Since the brain stem controls subconscious body functions, this would effect all body functions. And the thyroid and parathyroid have a major role in the immune system, as well overall body energy. I really like your thinking on supplying a low level of natural radiation to the blood.

I am still enjoying thorite taped to my reading glasses at my temples. It actually really really feels good. Perhaps it is opening an energy channel through acupuncture points in the area. That is what it feels like. I actually get the most pleasant fine and delicate vibration throughout my entire body when I wear them.

I also notice that when I hold uranium stones, a soft and lovely vibration travels up my arms and unfolds throughout my body. The hands are known as a homunculus for the entire body. They have so many acupuncture points that the entire body can be treated from the hands by a professional. I have a theory that holding the stones may open up all the chi circuits in my body just like an acupuncture session would. This would certainly explain the wonderful feeling of vibration and health that comes with handling the stones. I feel just like I do in an acupuncture session ...when I handle natural uranium stones this way.

Purchasing stones for yourself: By the way, it is summertime right now and uranium ore is really inexpensive on EBay (for example). I had heard that in the winter most uranium mines are inaccessible due to weather and samples become very expensive. I began my journey into radiation hormesis during winter, and the stones were sooo expensive then. I was bidding against 50 people for each stone I acquired and very tiny ones were selling for over $100.

Now I am seeing the flip side, ore is NOT expensive now. There is LOTS of it on EBay. If you check for stones, such as carnotite, you can find many nice ones for under $20. I was able to purchase 140 pounds of ore for a very good price and I'm still going through them to determine their 'heat' and how solid they are. I've let a number of rather crumbly sandstone based ore go on EBay for a very small price because it isn't useful for this work. I look for hard, non crumbly stones that I can make into rounded smooth pieces that are 'body friendly'.

So... if you are on a tight budget, try looking for your stones in the summertime... and EBay is a good way to start.

witchy1

18th May 2013, 23:42

I brought some carnotite off ebay and tried to smooth it out with the Dremel...epic fail, but its a bit smoother on the active side. Interestingly the other side of the rock shows no sign of radiation. I read somewhere that this can happen where one side is active the other is not. I also brought a geiger counter from United Nuclear and the UV torch. I keep my rocks in a special wooden box and I love them. Dawn I agree you do get a nice sensation when handling them.

The water stone in the pack from nighthawk minerals has cured my UTI - so excellent news after several years of misery. I also no longer get the swollen ankle that periodically showed up. I have used the carnotite rock on my partners ankle and took the swelling down in a few minutes (but it came back once we removed it). He uses the mud pack for back ache and he gets out of bed easily with no pain. Absolutely amazing.

Ian I purchased your beads a couple of months ago and love them. I wear them as an anklet and bracelet. Thank you.

Dawn are you using a rock tumbler and a polishing medium for your beautiful creations. I love that blue one on your site......what type of rock is that if you dont mind me asking.

Anyway thats my update. I cant speak highly enough of this therapy. Like TargetT my lack of knowledge is also extensive (LOL) but am trying to learn.

What would be the most hottest rock reading to use..... Is there an upper exposure limit ?

Thanks to all

Dawn

19th May 2013, 02:06

witchy1: The water stone in the pack from nighthawk minerals has cured my UTI - so excellent news after several years of misery. I also no longer get the swollen ankle that periodically showed up. I have used the carnotite rock on my partners ankle and took the swelling down in a few minutes (but it came back once we removed it). He uses the mud pack for back ache and he gets out of bed easily with no pain. Absolutely amazing.

Ian I purchased your beads a couple of months ago and love them. I wear them as an anklet and bracelet. Thank you.

Dawn are you using a rock tumbler and a polishing medium for your beautiful creations. I love that blue one on your site......what type of rock is that if you dont mind me asking.

Anyway thats my update. I cant speak highly enough of this therapy. Like TargetT my lack of knowledge is also extensive (LOL) but am trying to learn.

What would be the most hottest rock reading to use..... Is there an upper exposure limit ?

What a wonderful report, and exactly in line with my own experiences. Thanks for the info on UTIs. I use NightHawk's water stone all the time too. Here's some info for everyone that I have gleaned from speaking to and reading from other sources:

1. Radiation meters show very different readings depending on the type. Mine appears to be a 'tube type' and often stones from others read at about 1/10th of the strength they claim on my meter. I'm telling you this so you can take this into account as you read my info here

2. The NightHawk radioactive stone that they sell in the beginner kits is carnotite, which explains why it looks like a piece of concrete. Also, the carnotite they use for their 'beginner kit' water stone, pendant, and mud pack only reads about 200CPM on my Mazur meter. Yet their guidelines for stones that really heal medical problems begin at much MUCH higher levels. They use a different measurement of mRem/hour but I like to change their results to an easy to explain measurement (clicks per minute):

Level I stone to 6,000-15,000CPM
Level II stone to 16,000-29,000
Level III stone 30,000+ with no upper limit mentioned

This is in agreement with other books and articles about NATURAL uranium containing stones. They don't seem to be dangerous at these levels. There is an upper limit on what is healthy but I will need to re-read the radiation hormesis information to find it.

In order to really work on 'ouchy' places in the body I use a thorite crystal taped on with Nexcare first aid tape. This type of stretchy flesh colored tape stays put, but is also easy to remove. I purchase the thorite on EBay from a guy in Thailand. According to articles I've read, Thailand has natural thorite crystals in its soil and a high background radiation, yet people there are generally healthy. The crystals I use for this are about the size of a piece of gravel and generally show a reading on my Mazur meter of around 5,000CPM. Usually a few days to a week of wearing a thorite crystal permanently resolves the problem area.

I looked for a 'blue stone' on my website (I was curious too). I think you're referring to the clear bright green one with a 'bluish gray' background? (I actually have some blue uranium ore that is in a malachite matrix... but I don't have it on the website yet). Anyway the clear stone is actually uranium glass from a very old vaseline tray that my partner cut up and polished. It is lovely isn't it? We have sooooooooooooo much that is not on the site. It is overwhelming actually. I think I have around 150 or so necklaces and I make more weekly. I think I only show 4 on the site and I don't even have a price shown for any of them. In addition I have old vaseline glass objects waiting to be transformed into wearable art. And then there is the lovely uranium ore which I have in the garden and in my home. How do I work with the stones and the glass? I hand cut and polish every piece! But this week we are trying a tumbler for some of the glass. I'm not willing to tumble the stones... they are still precious to me and I just don't want to loose a large percentage of their size to the tumbling process.

OK.. off to work with my rocks now...:hippie:

Sith73

22nd May 2013, 00:10

Hey guys I wanted to share this with the group. If you are currently doing Hormesis, I have noticed after wearing a necklace for months my chest hair around my necklace has grown alot. My light colored chest hair around the necklace have darkened which is wild. This could be of help to people losing there hair and or color. if you have several radiated mudpacks or you could make your own from a decent stones in strength you could try wearing those at night while you sleep. Just a thought and wanted to share with all.

witchy1

22nd May 2013, 15:10

Sith73 - I really hope you are a bloke - LOL

tnkayaker

22nd May 2013, 15:29

hey dawn i couldnt get the pic of your necklace to show, maybe im doing something wrong, anyways, i am presently getting low dose laser treatments from a machine that is suppose to promote healing, the head of the machine holds aproximately 12 metal rods that at wired up to the machine itself, there r various settings on the machine, and my doctor says he can remove each rod and use it by itself like an acupuncture needle , but he isnt really versed in acupuncture, but he believes in this machine, none the less, he is giving me these treatments free of charge and it seels to be helping, i have 2 ruptured discs in my lower back and degeneration of the lower 4 discs, this causes me a great deal of pain everyday 24/7 i do manage the pain with medication which is that only solution i have found since the accident happened back in 1999, i will give updates if anyone is interested in this machine, basically i have a 20 minute session with this machine's head pointing toward the area that is generating the pain, it emits a red light from these rods that are connected to the machine itself, the treatment doesnt hurt and i usually fall asleep during the treatment,lol, anyways have a good day folks, peace,dennis

Sith73

22nd May 2013, 22:35

Lol yes I'm a guy :lol::lol:

isoutar

30th May 2013, 01:08

Dawn

Thanks for your observations.
I should point out that further information on dose was based on conversations with the Nighthawk Minerals folk.

They are settling on 4 uSv/hour stone pendant after using them for 20 years in their experiments on the reserve. Everyone has benefited it would seem.

There are two schools of thought .....
100 uSv/year from a small localised source. Folk medicine standard.
100 uSv/year full body exposure. Medical researchers standard.

In reading of Dr Sakamoto's work using xrays in hormetic doses to remove cancer ... This is mainstream Japanese research ... They use a larger dose yet!

I tried a low dose first on myself ... 3 beads, or about 2 uSv/hour.

Normally I get 5 colds per year (poor immunity).
The first winter of wearing them I got no colds! First winter like that in my life and I am 64. I gave out several dozen 5 bead sets to friends and relatives. All reported effects ranging from reduction of colds/flu to relief from allergies.

I have tried higher level rocks and crystals .... Yes thorite crystals are great sources! Cleopatra Gems Thailand.
But I did not experience any further improvement.

So thus the 5 beads. I feel totally safe selling this to anyone. I think many of the university based radiation hormesis therapies use radiation that may be excessive. This is typical of a new therapy.

One final comment. The work by Sakamoto pointed out that only the spleen needs to be irradiated.

As a result I wear a 1920s long small u-glass bead necklace that I restrung so it would let me put my head and left arm through. It is cut to dangle just at the bottom of the left ribcage. Over the spleen.

This is my current practice. In addition I wear a 10 uSv/hour stone pendant on the outside of my shirt as a decoration. I am just getting over a bad cold. It does not stop them. But recovery is remarkably quick, often taking less than a day. In this case it will have taken a week. At least I now average less than 1 cold/year.

Any comments about other experiments in our group? This is cool stuff to play with. Any radon water users reporting?-

Ian Soutar
Microsec R&D Inc

witchy1

30th May 2013, 09:28

Yes Ian, I tried a stronger rock in my water a couple of days ago (just a clear glass teapot that holds 1.5L of tap water) with the NHMinerals stone...... I could definately notice a ramp up in healing.... I dont even know if I have anything wrong, but it sure felt good.
The rock comes in at 1 - 5 uSv/hr and it lay there for 8 hours and I had 2 lots (3L) in 24 hours. Its amazing how the strength changes depending on the side of the stone being measured!
I got the rock from united nuclear and although I had soaked it, the water still had a dirt / earth gritty taste....not to worry tho - Im a true convert now.

I like the spleen thing - makes perfect sense.

TargeT

30th May 2013, 13:42

This is my current practice. In addition I wear a 10 uSv/hour stone pendant on the outside of my shirt as a decoration. I am just getting over a bad cold. It does not stop them. But recovery is remarkably quick, often taking less than a day. In this case it will have taken a week. At least I now average less than 1 cold/year.

Any comments about other experiments in our group? This is cool stuff to play with. Any radon water users reporting?-

Ian Soutar
Microsec R&D Inc

How are you getting the 10 uSv/hour measurement?

uSv (Sievert = 1G(a "gray" a unit of absorbed dose, which is semi complex itself) +Wr(Alpha, Beta, Gama.. Alpha does 20x more damage than the other two)+H(part of body getting radiated)
) is a very very complex measurement, the number changes based on where you are being exposed ( I think it's purposefully confusing IMO) how do you know it's 10 uSv ? and where was the exposure location for that measurement?

I think a better way to look at these things is how Dawn does it, in CPM (clicks per min) BUT you also need to know what the radioactive material is, some emit different particles, Alpha Beta and Gama particles all act differently and have different effects. Measuring with sievert is sort of a combination of area of exposure, strength of exposure and material used (Like I said, very complex see This post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53597-Hormesis-Healing-Yourself-with-Low-Dose-Radiation&p=658799&viewfull=1#post658799) for more explanation)

So, there you go.. just my $.02 ;)

This chart gives you an idea of how stupid small 10 uSv/hour is:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Radiation_Dose_Chart_by_Xkcd.png

isoutar

30th May 2013, 16:28

TargeT

30th May 2013, 16:53

It should be noted that all radiation sensors in Canada and outside the USA read in uSv/hour.

CPM on the other hand is not a standard because each sensor's calibration is different.

For example my Geiger sensor reads 10 times the CPM as compared to my solid state sensor. A friends Geiger with a pancake sensor reads 800% higher in CPM but both give the same reading in uSv/hour.

Calibration constants exist for every sensor because their sensitivity varies and CPM is not a measure of radiation.

Does that help? I design radiation sensors for satellite use I in measuring cosmic radiation.

Ian Soutar
Microsec R&D Inc.

I agree, any CPM measurement should include the devise used to measure it ( G-M tube sensor, pancake, etc..) it's such a wide & misunderstood thing; when you understand the numbers and factors that go into getting the “standard readings” they almost seem pointless / incomprehensible.

I still don't understand how a sensor can be taken seriously when it reads in any measurement of sievert, since this measurement is dependant on things like which part of the body is being radiated..

it almost seems like it's purposefully complex and confusing to remain a mystery; I'm surprised I was able to stay focused long enough to learn what I did about it.

isoutar

30th May 2013, 17:37

I agree, uSv/hour has become the world standard for no good reason. However for hormesis experiments the dose can be off by hundreds of percent without being an issue.

The key to understanding why is Jerry Cuttler diagram on http://radiation-hormesis.com showing hormetic radiation levels. A 10 times increase only has a slight change. In this field extreme accuracy is not needed.

Ian

isoutar

30th May 2013, 21:54

Uranium glass strength

2% is the most common strength for glass beads, and this strength flows the best under UV lights. However prior to 1910 it can be up to 10%.

I have never seen modern beads deviate from the 2% because the glowing under UV light has been the most important feature.

Ian

witchy1

30th May 2013, 23:36

isoutar

31st May 2013, 17:49

I am hoping people will comment on the use of small doses of radiation such as 4 uSv/hour. Lots of positive results seen among users reporting back to the http://Radiant-beads.com site.

It is worthwhile to collect as much knowledge as possible about really low level hormesis benefits. With the paranoia surrounding radiation it is the approach most likely to be accepted at first. That is why our site is staying with uranium glass and low level sources.

For personal experimentation I go much higher in radiation strength.

Ian Soutar
Microsec R&D Inc.

TargeT

31st May 2013, 18:40

I believe that Madame Curie died of leukemia (aplastic pernicious anemia) just as her daughter Eve did. Does anyone know if there are any studies prove this in relation to radioactive materials. All studies seem to concentrate on cancer. Having said that I am aware that her Doctor may have mis diagnosed her.

she died at the age of 67 (in 1934) of aplastic anemia, which occurs most commonly in the teens and twenties, and also among the elderly. It can be caused by exposure to chemicals, drugs, radiation, infection, immune disease, and heredity; in about half the cases, the cause is unknown

I would definately say radiation has a very slight chance of being the cause, but probably was not; much more likely that it was a heredity disease (as you pointed out, her daughter died of it also).

I am hoping people will comment on the use of small doses of radiation such as 4 uSv/hour. Lots of positive results seen among users reporting back to the http://Radiant-beads.com site.

It is worthwhile to collect as much knowledge as possible about really low level hormesis benefits. With the paranoia surrounding radiation it is the approach most likely to be accepted at first. That is why our site is staying with uranium glass and low level sources.

For personal experimentation I go much higher in radiation strength.

Ian Soutar
Microsec R&D Inc.

My pendant from Dawn's web site would be hard to calculate the uSv, but I think it would be much higher than 4 uSv/hour (especially since i wear it at my neck, and the torso's exposure raises the value a lot, since uSv numbers are based on exposure area) but I really don't think any number I gave you would be a fair comparison number. Dawn had a CPM reading of it but I don't know what type of sensor her detector uses.

isoutar

1st June 2013, 17:26

The death of Madame Currie is off topic, she was exposed to extremely high levels of radiation. It may have been the cause of her death or it might not.

However the discussion is about low level radiation, not poisonous levels!

Ian Soutar
Microsec R&D Inc.

witchy1

2nd June 2013, 10:34

TargeT

6th June 2013, 20:22

My point was questioning upper limits. What is the highest amount of "low dose" and what actually are poisonous levels?

Ian, people are still scared of this concept and IMHO providing some parameters (if they exist) might give confidence to others in learing more about it if we can give them that information. Madame Curie is often brought up on forums as the primary reason to support the no dose theory. So was hoping for a bit more clarity for people. Its not just us on this thread - others are looking. I was hoping to build confidence not scare anyone.

It was not my purpose to go off topic and perhaps I should have explained it a bit more - apologies
Karen

Your absolutely right, there is a dangerous level & we should know it!

I'd say this is the most comprehensive list I've seen & I trust its source (however I've never personally gotten near the dangerous levels that he lists, so i don't have first hand experience, but as you'll see, those levels are VERY VERY hard to be exposed to by the average person)
see the chart here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46819-A-video-they-won-t-want-you-to-see--Galen-Winsor-nuclear-scam-&p=519465&viewfull=1#post519465

Kimberley

7th June 2013, 23:44

Here is a chart that Galon Winsor made that Ben Williams sent me. I do not know is this is helpful here or not...I might have posted it in this thread before, however I have not gotten an answer and I do not understand the chart either...

So would love to know if this is of help or not...Thank you!

Click on the chat to make it bigger...

Attached is the radiation exposure chart Galen and I (Ben Williams) put together several years ago. You can see how they use measurements that are insignificant in terms of effect upon people. The measurements they try to scare people with are almost always less than the natural background radiation we live with every day.

TargeT

8th June 2013, 01:56

Kim, that's what I linked to above,

It is "somewhat" helpful, if you read my comments on the seviert measurements complexity you'll see why I say somewhat ;)

This is a topic that has been purposefully kept confusing (IMO)

EXCELENT chart :)

isoutar

8th June 2013, 22:08

A more up to date summary is to be seen on my website http://radiation-hormesis.com
If you go there, there is a link to making your own hormesis tools. The graph shows that the danger levels are several orders of magnitude higher than what we work with for healing. This graph was created by Jerry Cuttler who is a researcher on hormesis. The diagram is modified from one by T D Luckey. The important concept introduced is a new standard of safety As High As Reasonably Safe AHARS to replace the existing paranoid standard ALARA

Alara suggests 7 milliGy/year limit whereas the proposed standard is 1000! Due to hormesis there would be 30% fewer cancers at 1000 vs 7. For the most part a gray is equal to a sievert, especially with ores and glass. The error is not significant since you can increase dose by 3 orders of magnitude and stay within a totally safe range.

In summary low level radiation is totally safe for animals if below 1,000 millisievert / year. None of us will even approach such numbers with natural ore. If there was any danger our cave dwelling ancestors would have died.

If you got the whole 1000 milliGrays or milliSieverts in one hour that might cause disease ... But our hormesis ores and glass are 1000 times too weak for such a danger to exist.

Here is a direct link

http://radiation-hormesis.com/#Specifications_for_a_typical_1_cm_across

Ian Soutar
Microsec R&D Inc.

Kimberley

12th June 2013, 19:56

Target...funny I did not click on the link...

Target and Ian I am still wanting to know (If you know) how does this chart compare to other information about the "harmful" scale of radiation that is main stream?

Thank you!

witchy1

13th June 2013, 10:07

Just found this on rex research (which is under bot attack apparently - so if you follow Robert, it might pay to get your CD with everything on it.... I got mine - its amazing) Anyway, I havent followed up the links yet but here is the report from Russia.....

http://www.russia-ic.com/news/show/10395/
http://keelynet.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/technique-for-faster-wound-healing-developed/September 9, 2010

Technique for Faster Wound Healing Developed

Cooperation of Russian biologists and physicists resulted in a new method for better and faster healing of wounds. Healing wounds is a slow and complicated process.

Traditional drug treatment is often not effective enough, that is why researchers keep improving existing methods and inventing new techniques for helping people. Russian physicists developed hollow-cathode lamps, with emit low-intensity radiation.

Emission spectrum of such lamps consists of thin lines, typical for atomic and ionic spectra of elements, from which a cathode was made.

Researchers found out that radiation from lamps with cathode made of magnesium and copper, stimulated migration of mentioned elements in an organism and cured inflammation.

Tests on laboratory rats showed that irradiation with these lamps helped cuts heal faster.

Lamps also promoted faster skin structure recovery, including sebaceous glands and hair follicles. Scientists think that irradiation with these lamps promoted natural immunity, accelerated recovery of deep skin layers and stimulated wound healing.

Mechanisms of this process are still not clear, however, researchers believe that metals form complexes with enzymes metalloproteinases, known to affect healing of wounds.
http://www.rexresearch.com/magablog6/magablog6.htm

Dawn

15th June 2013, 04:37

TargeT: My pendant from Dawn's web site would be hard to calculate the uSv, but I think it would be much higher than 4 uSv/hour (especially since i wear it at my neck, and the torso's exposure raises the value a lot, since uSv numbers are based on exposure area) but I really don't think any number I gave you would be a fair comparison number. Dawn had a CPM reading of it but I don't know what type of sensor her detector uses.

I'm using a 'tube type' radiation meter. Not nearly as sensitive as a pancake type for picking up CPM. It sounds like, from Ian's comments, I might use the micro sievert scale instead of testing CPM
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Witchy1: Madame Curie is often brought up on forums as the primary reason to support the no dose theory. So was hoping for a bit more clarity for people. Its not just us on this thread - others are looking. I was hoping to build confidence not scare anyone.

It helped me to know that she actually exceeded the normal life span of people in her generation. In other words she lived longer than most people.

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I rather like the piece of information I found here:

The coloring agent used in vaseline glass is not the unstable and radioactive element uranium, but the more stable compound URANIUM DIOXIDE. This uranium compound is only 1% to 2% per volume of the glass. More importantly, it is the medium, glass itself, which contributes to the safety of Vaseline Glass.

Glass, being a solid, is a barrier or shield to radiation. Glass is actually used in radiation rooms for such purposes.

The bottom line is that there is an insignificant amount of radiation emission from Vaseline glass roughly equivalent in distance to source as TV and microwave-oven emissions.

I see no reason why you shouldn't use your cup for beverages.
Source(s):
http://www.classicmemories.com/vaselined…

I've taken to wearing a very old necklace I found. It must have a high uranium content since it is 5x stronger than 'modern' uranium glass beads. My body seems to really like it. It is equivalent to some of my stronger uranium ore stones.

Healing Reports:

Cancer
I'd like to share some 2nd hand reports from wearers of these stones that I know. 2 of the people who bought stones from me had stage 4 colon cancer and did their own homework on this topic before they purchased their uranium pendants. Both people were bed ridden and in a lot of pain. They no longer had enough energy to get out of bed and be in the world of working and people. Both felt a dramatic return of energy within 4 days of wearing the rocks and are now up and functioning with a great deal of energy. However, both still show signs of cancer. I don't know if the stones will eventually heal them... but their pain and lack of energy has been normalized. By the way, these 2 people do not know each other and live 1000 miles apart.

Painful scarring
I also sold a simple uranium glass necklace to a woman who had 2 car accidents resulting in whiplash. She had surgery in an attempt to mitigate chronic pain but was on pain medication around the clock just to function. She is now off medication and says she feels better now than when she took the medication. The only thing new in her life is her necklace. After a month or so she came back and purchased a uranium stone pendant. She wears the 2 interchangeably. These have worked so well for her that she has gone back into the work force and is working full time now that the pain is reduced.

Recovery from Long Term Illness:
As for me, I am still slowly healing from the dangerous and toxic dentistry which I had in my skull for over 15 years. Just to refresh the info so every one reading this will know, I had it removed about a year ago. Several dentists refused to work on me, and the one that did said that he was not sure I would survive. He also said that if I did survive healing would take a number of years. So.... here I am... healing nicely, but still having some symptoms from this history. Besides wearing my powerful antique uranium glass necklace, I also have thorite crystals taped to my reading glasses just over my temples. This has mitigated pain behind my eyes where a bone infection had become rampant due to the dentistry. As long as I wear my glasses for a few hours daily my eyes feel OK. And, within moments of putting the glasses on, a pleasant vibration starts in my temple area. I've done lots of cranial sacral work in the past as a practitioner and I know how important this area is to the health of the entire body. It feels to me as though the thorite crystals are opening up channels which allow a greater amount of prana (chi) to flow through this area of my body.... and more chi= more healing.

isoutar

15th June 2013, 22:17

Great comments, thanks to all.

For my own arthritis therapy I carry 3 hot thorite crystals in my wallet. Out of the wallet they measure 130 USv/hour but through the wallet it is 25-35 USv/hour.

On the ring finger of the opposite hand to the side with the wallet my thorite ring puts out 90 USB/hr. However into the finger the silver shields it to 5 uSv/hr . I wear the jewel on the palm side as I walk which spreads the 90 over a large area at about 10 USv/hr.

In addition I wear a Carnotite pendant at 10 uSv/hr.

However I only sell glass beads since the sensitivity to radiation varies greatly. Even with 4 uSv/hr I am getting feedback that many are not getting cold/flu as often.

Ian Soutar
Microsec R&D Inc.

isoutar

16th June 2013, 02:14

I should add that my wife Barbara and I eat often off of uranium glass dinner plates. I also have two Revigators in which 5 gallons of radon water brews each week for the Saturday night radon water bath. This makes a big difference for arthritis! Curious to know who else is using Revigators?

Ian Soutar

isoutar

16th June 2013, 17:28

Good question, the mainstream believes that 100 milliSievert/year is harmless or at least the effect is not measurable.

Ian

isoutar

21st June 2013, 00:18

Just purchased some radium dialed clocks and watches to wear and leave beside the bed for hormesis.

Typical readings by Geiger counter ...

With cover glass removed (never do this, radium paint powder dangerous)
= >200 uSv/hour

With cover or watch crystal in place
=20 uSv/hour

So as long as the crystal is not broken they are a good 20 uSv/hour source.

I bought a non working radium wristwatch for 1 cent!

Radium is an interesting pure source that can exceed safety limits. In a sealed watch it is safe. They often no longer glow because the radiation has destroyed the zinc-sulphide phosphor over decades.

Ian Soutar
Microsec R&D Inc.

Dawn

24th June 2013, 04:10

I also have two Revigators in which 5 gallons of radon water brews each week for the Saturday night radon water bath. This makes a big difference for arthritis! Curious to know who else is using Revigators?

Ian Soutar

I've purchased 4 Revigators over the past 6months. I paid $400 with shipping for my first one. After that I began watching bargains and only paid $75 with shipping for the last one I purchased. I have them in the bathroom filled with water that percolates all week to make a radium bath. The 20 gallons of water they produce is cold, so my partner has rigged a simple bath solution to warm the water. A pond pump which uses magnets on the exterior of the water line recirculates the water and pond hoses go into and out of the tub which keeps everything recirculating. A home made heater was made connecting an iron T joint to the recirculating water hose. In the iron T a water heater element has been inserted and is connected to a switch. The water is heated as it passes by the heater once the switch is turned on. Our heater is small, so it takes about 30-45 minutes to create hot bath water . For safety there is no metal touching the bath tub or the tub water so that the bather cannot get an electrical shock.

Isoutar: Just purchased some radium dialed clocks and watches to wear and leave beside the bed for hormesis.
My partner purchased some old radium switches that had been used in the military. They no longer glow in the dark, but they're still plenty 'hot'. I had some ear problems associated with my dental issue and these were the 'cure'. I purchased some 'ear stones' from NightHawkMinerals.com at first, but they proved to be very uncomfortable so I made my own. I used the hot tip of a soldering iron to melt a tube into the center of commercial foam earplugs. Into this tube I inserted the radium switch which made very comfy ear plugs. I used them daily for a few months, but now my ear issue seems to have corrected itself so I am not currently using them.

~Strength:
***Outside foam earplug: 90uSv/hr
***Inside foam earplug: 15uSv/hr

~Duration:
***3-6 hours daily treatment
***3 month period

~Sympton
***Itching and Aching of ears from diagnosed bone and face infection related to dental issue

~Results
*** all symptoms are gone now, no other treatment used

Isoutar: I should add that my wife Barbara and I eat often off of uranium glass dinner plates.

We also enjoy this. In addition we use uranium glass water tumblers to hold our drinking water which we use throughout the day. A uranium 'water stone' is used in our water jug after we vortex treat, distill, and magnetize our city drinking water... it sits in the water jug all the time adding natural radium to it.

ljwheat

24th June 2013, 12:43

Good Day Every One, Listening to Dawn’s story of ear ache and radium earplug remedy prompted me to relate what just took place a couple of weeks ago also with a simple remedy low dose radiation.

A week ago I noticed a couple upper wisdom teeth were aching as the day progressed the pain increased even doubling by dinner time. The last time this happened I lost two wisdom teeth on the opposite side of my mouth several years ago long before I knew about Night hawk and hormesis, any way this time I decided to try a new approach this time.

The semi triangle necklace I purchased from Night Hawk, I took it off the lanyard and placed it between cheek and gums over the aching teeth and in a matter of and hour or so, the pain lessened, after six hours the pain was completely gone. Next day repeated the rock in gums treatment and now a couple weeks later, no Signe of pain has returned, but to be on the safe side am using the hot rock gum in cheek once a week for a few hour’s at a time.

So now I’m thinking with this kind of proof first hand what homesis Is capable of using a ace bandage or duck tap he’ he’ every little ache or pain, bump or brews is going to get radiated.

Grinding down the hot rocks for specific uses may be the way to go. And as we learn of more ways to use these little gems, we are building an arsenal of tools to combat any ailment.

Thanks Dawn for sharing you story’s with us, as a growing collective of minds and practical research, this grass roots hormesis movement will certainly benefit all who join in the continued uncovering of a hidden and suppressed knowledge.

Dawn

25th June 2013, 01:10

Ijwheat: this grass roots hormesis movement will certainly benefit all who join in the continued uncovering of a hidden and suppressed knowledge.

You are correct I believe... and since there is no support from the mainstream we benefit from sharing what we learn.

You've prompted me to tell of another way I've used radiation since I began 7-8 months ago. At one point a cyst formed in the plantar fascia of my foot... and this meant that I had to stop my daily walks. It was pretty painful. After a couple of weeks I taped a little thorite over the inside lower corner of my ankle. I reasoned that several acupuncture meridians ran through this area on their way to the underside of my foot. My thinking was that I was taping the little crystal over the meridian that might be involved. Within 2 hours the swelling was reduced by 50% and by the next day it was almost gone. I continued this treatment for 6 weeks or so and found I could walk all over the place with no pain. However if I took the stone off, the pain and swelling came back.

Eventually a radionics healer I use diagnosed this cyst as a tapeworm colony. He treated this cyst with anti-tapeworm frequencies and I've never had any problems with the area since.

The conclusion I've drawn is that the radioactive thorite crystal reduced the inflammation around the cyst so that I could use my foot without pain. However, it did not kill off the tapeworm colony that lived there, though it might have reduced their ability to thrive somewhat.

witchy1

28th June 2013, 17:03

I found a way to create a concentrate mixture from old dials:

Dismantle the front of the clock, pry off the hands, and remove the face. Prepare the work area as noted from proper procedure when working with radioactive materials.
Grasp the face with tongs and hold it vertically over a 3 or 4-inch watch glass. Squirt a few numerals at a time with acetone from a squeezable wash bottle. The radium paint will start to dissolve within 20 seconds and the excess acetone will drip into the watch glass. Assist the dissolving by skillfully dabbing the numerals with an ordinary medium size water-color brush, dipping repeatedly into the acetone reservoir contained in the watch glass.

This procedure is about the opposite of how the numerals were painted on decades ago (Chemistry, April 1969, page 18).

Within a minute the group of numerals will be dissolved. Flush them off completely with more quick rinses from the wash bottle. Use the same procedure for the hands.
By carefully rocking the watch glass, the heavier radium will migrate to the center area. Transfer the acetone residue, by using an eyedropper, into another nearby watch glass where it can evaporate. The cleaned radium will stick to the first watch glass as the solvent completely evaporates. Repeat the procedure for successive dials.

If you wish to build up a supply, wash each settlement of cleaned radium into a lead-wrapped pill bottle. Allow the solvent to evaporate or remove it with an eye dropper, before capping. Label the supply and store behind sufficient shielding and away from inquisitive fingers.

http://www.nuenergy.org/obtaining-radium/

Apparently WW2 US Army compasses are a good source. If they have thick brown, red, pinkisk markings on the dial.

Here is a list of Radio active materials: http://www.nuenergy.org/index-of-radioactive-materials/

I was not aware of these current day things:
Uranium – 234: Used in dental fixtures like crowns and dentures to provide a natural color and brightness
Cobalt – 60 : Used to sterilize surgical instruments…to improve the safety and reliability of industrial fuel oil burners…and to preserve poultry fruits and spices.
Krypton – 85: Used in indicator lights in appliances like clothes washer and dryers, stereos and coffee makers…to gauge the thickness of thin plastics and sheet metal, rubber, textiles and paper…and to measure dust and pollutant levels.
Promethium – 147: Used in electric blanket thermostats…and to gauge the thickness of thin plastics, thin sheet metal, rubber, textiles, and paper.

Much more on the web page

Dawn

29th June 2013, 03:42

witchy1: I found a way to create a concentrate mixture from old dials:

I'm not sure if I'm comfortable with this idea. In speaking to Jay Gutierriz (Night Hawk Minerals founder & medicine man) a while back he told me something interesting. He said that after all these years of working with the 'hot' stones he has come to the conclusion that the stones are connected to a consciousness which will simply not allow anything to happen to those who wear them. He is writing a new book focused on this and feels it is more important than the radiation levels of the stones, as long as they have some measurable level.

I'm pretty sure it would be very easy to overdose using radium, compared to using naturally occurring stones and ores. Radium is very concentrated. I believe Madam Curie used 3.5 tons to get a microscopic bit of radium in a dish. That being said, I did use a radium switch in a foam earplug for my situation with success.

What are you going to use your concentrate for witchy1?

witchy1

29th June 2013, 09:09

Hi Dawn, not sure if I am going to do anything with it to be honest. I just thought it was interesting information to share - especially what they use it for today and it would appear that some are doing experiments on it in schools without the fear factor. They seem to think so long as you dont breathe it in and wash your hands after touching it you should be ok. I also like the thought of open discussion specifically to negate some of the fear around the element (perhaps this is a bit much) I thought it was interesting anyway

Yes - I read M.Curies book and they used pitchblende as the original element and a lot of it to get very small amounts..... I actually ordered some wee pieces from ebay recently - so will be interesting to see the readings on that. If its too hot it can go in my special box.

I dont have any dials or hands so I am not sure how hot the paint is? Having said that just a couple of days ago checked out my Dads old watch (I had toothache) and what do you know - it had a reading! Its still under the glass so leaving it as it is. So much smoother than a rock on your face or in your mouth - LOL. And yes it worked a treat.

How interesting about the higher consciousness......You know I have been wondering recently who it is looking out through my eyes.

Thanks Dawn
Karen

isoutar

20th July 2013, 21:54

Topic ... Counts Per Minute to MilliRem/hour

I looked up the conversion of CPM to scientific units. Every Geiger tube has specifications that show the relationship.

For example, I have a Ludlum Model 3 geiger counter with a mica windowed "pancake" sensor. I looked it up on the Ludlum site and got the specifications for the pancake sensor ...

3300 CPM = 1 milliRem/hour
3300 CPM = 10 microsSievert/hour

Anyone in the group, if you only have CPM on your machine and you want to compare results, just look up the conversion constant of your geiger tube. Every tube has this constant and it can vary by a factor of 10 or more. Without knowing this conversion contant we are not doing scientific repeatable work.

Please look up your geiger tube constant and republish your comments about the CPM of the sample. Without it being known in Sieverts or MilliRem the number is meaningless. However the great thing is that by looking up just one number associated with your sensor all the CPM readings can be in your choice of standardized units of radiation.

Ian Soutar
Microsec R&D Inc.

Sith73

31st July 2013, 23:07

Hello to all. Yesterday I talked with the lovely Dawn about a stone I purchased from her and talked about radiation hormesis. If you haven't been to her website please look at that when you have a minute http://www.uraniumjewelry.com/.

I wanted to share a short story with you guys about what I did earlier this year. I had just purchased some beads from isoutar one week and woke up on a Saturday morning with a sore throat. That morning I decided to take those beads and put about 6 beads on some fishing string and place in my mouth towards my throat. I kept the beads in my mouth most of the day and by the next morning my sore throat was gone. Now I'm sure if you had a stronger bead or rock the results would have been quicker I'm sure.

I currently wear a stone necklace from Dawn and never take it off unless to shower. Sometimes I will place on my head if I have a headache. Headache is gone within an hour. Sometimes I will put the stone on my spine and notice a slight vibration of energy which clams my whole body from a stressful day. I drink radiated water every day and notice from regular water that the vibration is different. This is something that I can just sense.

Everyday and every week I try to share with others about many things including radiation hormesis.

Kimberley

31st July 2013, 23:15

thank you Sith ...IMO this is a very important thread!

I have had good results also. :grouphug:

Dawn

2nd August 2013, 04:49

Witchy1: Russian physicists developed hollow-cathode lamps, with emit low-intensity radiation.

Emission spectrum of such lamps consists of thin lines, typical for atomic and ionic spectra of elements, from which a cathode was made.

Researchers found out that radiation from lamps with cathode made of magnesium and copper, stimulated migration of mentioned elements in an organism and cured inflammation.

Tests on laboratory rats showed that irradiation with these lamps helped cuts heal faster.

Lamps also promoted faster skin structure recovery, including sebaceous glands and hair follicles. Scientists think that irradiation with these lamps promoted natural immunity, accelerated recovery of deep skin layers and stimulated wound healing.

Mechanisms of this process are still not clear, however, researchers believe that metals form complexes with enzymes metalloproteinases, known to affect healing of wounds.
http://www.rexresearch.com/magablog6/magablog6.htm

I have been pondering this ever since you posted it. I'd like to put forth a theory here. At NightHawkMinerals.com they base their healing on carnotite and the blue stone.

Jay says the blue stones are radioactive if an entire truck load is tested, however the blue stones sold to me show ZERO radiation. But... when I analyze this based on the information you shared here Witchy1 here is what I see:

Carnotite: is a potassium uranium vanadate radioactive mineral
The Blue Stone: looks like turquoise and probably is... but anyway it is some form of copper ore

So, when I put this information together with what you have mentioned it appears that NightHawkMinerals is using radioactivity+potassium+copper for healing in the form of naturally occurring stones.

In the Russian experiments they are using radoiactivity+magnesium+copper in a man made device.

In light of this I am planning to try and create some pendants that combine
***radiation+magnesium+copper.
***radiation+potassium+copper

This will be interesting because I am now focusing on the elements combined with uranium in stones. I don't know if this will make a difference in the effectiveness of the stones for healing. And, I will need to do some clever designing.

Has this thought occurred to anyone else here?

Dawn

2nd August 2013, 05:32

So, here is my experiment in action. I just found and bought 3.5 pounds of Magneprase. It is made of Chrysoprase & Magnesite ( copper quartz, and magnesium quartz). My intention is to make it into pendant sized pieces and drill a hole into the interior. Within this hole I am going to implant thorite... Thorite is strongly radioactive and it will radiate through the magnesium and copper quartz pendant. This should approximate the Russian study, but with natural stones instead of a man made lamp. I can't wait to try it out on my body... perhaps I can also find some guinea pigs to try it out along with me.

isoutar

10th August 2013, 07:41

I will try this too. I carry thorite crystals in my wallet. Puts out 150 uSv/hour directly but only 20 comes through the wallet ... Mostly gamma. I have good luck using the wallet for the pain of arthritis in hips. A wallet is perfect for irradiating the hips.
I bought one bag of tiny rice grain sized tho rite crystals.
Together I put them on a plate and spread them out 1 deep. When I measured them they put out 600 microSievert/hour! Or 0.6 millisieverts.

I found if I handled them for 15 minutes the tips of my fingers would feel dry and sensitive.

I think Thorite crystals need to be encased in a wallet or other stone to mellow their energy.

Ian

isoutar

10th August 2013, 07:52

It is done. I will be wearing my thorite crystal/greenstone slab in a small thin wallet meant for memory sticks. In my pocket, greenstone in to moderate the strong crystals in a tiny rock collectors zip lock bag.
Will report anything interesting.

Ian

Shannow

10th August 2013, 10:04

Wow, this is an extremely interesting thread. I have trouble believing that more radiation than is in the environment anyway is good for you. However, if you want radiation - go flying as there's more radiation at higher altitudes. I haven't noticed pilots or cabin crew living longer than anyone else. Also, you can buy old lantern wicks as they are radioactive - I used one to see if my gieger counter worked. Bananas also have lots of potassium that's kind-of radioactive!

Have done training to be able to work with radioactive sources at work - training is good, as I'm now legally able to take 10 times as much radiation at work as my co-workers.

I tried to engage the teacher in hormesis, but he wasn't interested...then at one point was comparing being around X-Ray and Gammas with banana intake and radioactive potassium.

Problem with comparing potassium with an XR-F machine is that potassium has always been there...you absorb some in your diet, and you excrete some, it doesn't really build up.

Unlike man-made radioactive Cesium, which is something that you will never come across naturally, and therefore is an "additive" in your system should you get it into your system.

TargeT

10th August 2013, 15:22

Wow, this is an extremely interesting thread. I have trouble believing that more radiation than is in the environment anyway is good for you. However, if you want radiation - go flying as there's more radiation at higher altitudes. I haven't noticed pilots or cabin crew living longer than anyone else. Also, you can buy old lantern wicks as they are radioactive - I used one to see if my gieger counter worked. Bananas also have lots of potassium that's kind-of radioactive!

Actually, airplane crew does generally live longer on average than ground bound humans... in fact there was a study done on it

See here:

A difference in life expectancy of more than 5 years longer was
found for our sample of retired airline cockpit crew members. Half of the pilots in this sample retiring at age 60
were expected to live past 83.8 years of age, compared to 77.4 years for the general population of 60 year-old white
males in 1980. T
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA292060

anyway you cut it, radiation is good for you at certain levels, and this makes absolute sense since everything is good for you at the right level... I can't think of a single naturally occurring phenomenon that is not beneficial to humans at a certain level, certainly NOT radiation, as it is probably one of the BETTER things for us at low doses.

isoutar

10th August 2013, 20:59

I will try a green pendant with hole for thorite crystal. I have hundreds of thorite crystals. Willing to purchase such if possible so I can be a Guinea pig? How much? isoutar at gmail.

Ian

witchy1

11th August 2013, 05:26

Hi Shannow when you say "Have done training to be able to work with radioactive sources at work - training is good, as I'm now legally able to take 10 times as much radiation at work as my co-workers."

Would you please let us know the process used that enables you to be exposed to and absorb 10 times more radiation than others. This would be very valuable information. What happens if you go over that amount and how is it measured?

What type of radiation source are you using?
Thanks
Karen

Shannow

11th August 2013, 10:17

Karen,
it's a bit of a joke...people who are trained to use equipment that emit ionising radiation are allowed a higher "dose" in the workplace than those who aren't.

The logic is that the average Joe wanders about all day oblivious to what's going on around him, so when people are conducting testing, a perimeter is set that will expose them to no more than X (for want of a better word)...their dose is unknown, so industry can add no more than X. Walk past a construction site, and there might be ionising radiation sources on site for x-raying welds, checking ground compaction, in industry used as bin level detection.

The worker who is using the equipment is, by definition in side the perimeter, and actually sets the perimeter, and is exposed to a higher level. However the logic is that this level is known, and controlled, so therefore can be a higher level.

So if you are trained, legally you can receive 10 times that of the average person.

I'm only trained for really low level stuff, that you have to seriously mis-use to do any harm. If you use the serious stuff, like gamma sources for industrial X-Raying, they use dosimeters to measure what the user receives.

TargeT

11th August 2013, 16:08

Shannow

11th August 2013, 21:27

http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/resources/radiation/20120469risradiatcontreg.pdf

Proposed NSW regulation, with some numbers included...

TargeT

11th August 2013, 22:09

http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/resources/radiation/20120469risradiatcontreg.pdf

Proposed NSW regulation, with some numbers included...

In Australia the average dose from natural background radiation is also about 2 mSv a year, while the
world average is about 2.5 mSv, though some places may be up to 10 times higher

oh this one is funny....

Australian legislation limits exposure of members of the public to 1 mSv of ionising radiation per year
and radiation workers to an annual dose of 20 mSv. These limits include natural background radiation
in the occupations that are required to be issued with a personal monitoring device, but do not include
planned medical exposures.

there are 5 pages dedicated to fines, with some very exact numbers.

There was not a SINGLE damaging level on those pages, all the numbers I saw were 1000's to 100,000 less than would damage a human; and almost all the numbers were in YEARLY doses,, I can handle 500 mSv PER MIN with no damage, 50 mSv per year is negligible & probably wouldn't even be enough to be medically beneficial.

witchy1

11th August 2013, 23:29

TargeT

12th August 2013, 00:21

[/LIST]Page 56 shows 1mSv per year is the maximum doseage. (excluding dental and medical treatment)
Exemption for luminous dials - this means I will need a license for my little ore collection. The government is out of control another government dollar grab and someone justifying their position.

They say 1mSv a year is the max dose including natural occurring radiation, but BEFORE that they said that 2 mSv is the average exposure to citizens....

so apparently every citizen is in violation, just by being in country?

Dawn

12th August 2013, 08:40

Governments in general seem parasitic on all of us. I'm simply not surprised that legislation based on ignorance is being passed concerning radiation.

I spent this weekend polishing some georgeous cuprosklodite for pendants. It is some of the prettiest uranium rich copper stone I've ever seen... brilliant grass greens with veins of translucent emerald punctuated with reddish earth brown colors.

I didn't break out the bigger saw to cut up the magnaprase and get it ready for thorite crystal inserts. I thought I'd try to set a special web page with a few of these creations just for a handful of Avalon members at my cost so we can do a guinea pig test. The design will be very simple... just magnaprase with imbedded thorite and a hole for a simple pendant ring connection. None of us will likely know for years if there is a benefit... I'm expecting this to be a long term health effect.... But, honestly, none of us know for sure how exactly this will affect us. I'll post the page when I have these done, but it might be a couple of weeks away.

I would love it if someone in the scientific community started a study to check out this idea. One can only hope..... Meanwhile we can use our own personal self help ideas backed up by as much info as we can gather.

Shannow

12th August 2013, 12:58

Is this really what they are going to do (page 2 of the document)

licensing of individuals who use radiation devices and radioactive substances (‘user licences’)

licensing of individuals or corporate bodies who own, sell, possess, give away or otherwise deal with regulated material (‘management licences’)
Page 56 shows 1mSv per year is the maximum doseage. (excluding dental and medical treatment)
Exemption for luminous dials - this means I will need a license for my little ore collection. The government is out of control another government dollar grab and someone justifying their position.

For those who havn't seen it please watch this
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And read also the other thread here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46819-A-video-they-won-t-want-you-to-see--Galen-Winsor-nuclear-scam-

I listened to it today, and will again tomorrow, but he's talking gamma rays with U and Pu, and demonstrating the attenuation of glass, his hand, and his body...

Pretty sure that U and Pu are alpha particle emitters, and can pretty well be stopped with a sheet of paper - therefore overalls would do pretty well as well.

His message re reprocessing of fuel purposely creating waste, the waste energy that could be used for other purposes, and the results of fission are often more fuel are well received, just the alpha/gamma has me thrown.

TargeT

12th August 2013, 15:59

I listened to it today, and will again tomorrow, but he's talking gamma rays with U and Pu, and demonstrating the attenuation of glass, his hand, and his body...

Pretty sure that U and Pu are alpha particle emitters, and can pretty well be stopped with a sheet of paper - therefore overalls would do pretty well as well.

His message re reprocessing of fuel purposely creating waste, the waste energy that could be used for other purposes, and the results of fission are often more fuel are well received, just the alpha/gamma has me thrown.

The isotope plutonium-238 has a half-life of 87.74 years.[80] It emits a large amount of thermal energy with low levels of both gamma rays/particles and spontaneous neutron rays/particles.[81] Being an alpha emitter, it combines high energy radiation with low penetration and thereby requires minimal shielding. A sheet of paper can be used to shield against the alpha particles emitted by plutonium-238.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonium

with both U and Pu it depends on what isotope of Uranium/Plutonium. Generally heavy elements such as uranium will decay by alpha decay. This lowers the mass of the atom and it will continue to decay until it reaches a stable element; if the Uranium nucleus has too many or too few neutrons it may decay by beta decay until it reaches Uranium 235-238. It also emits gamma rays which is gamma radiation.

Shannow

13th August 2013, 21:53

TargeT

14th August 2013, 03:10

Thanks TargeT,
been rattling around in my head about the issue, seen "debates" on other boards about granite bench tops of all things, and outright rejection of fly-ash in home concrete (a subject dear to my heart) on grounds of increased background radiation.

Wasn't so long ago, and it was a big part of our past, that people were living in caves, surrounded by a background that was considerably "hotter" than walking along a sandy path...Similarly stone habitation.

Surely the body evolved to consider that sort of low dose radiation "normal" for bodily function, and our dry-wall clad houses are more of a historical aberration.

Maybe the body didn't evolve, maybe all along it needed this radiation and nature was perfect before we started "messing" with it.

you are right about granite benches and counters, they are radio active ( very low amounts, below hormesis levels IMO however) I'm not sure about fly-ash, could you provide some links? I love to learn :D

Shannow

14th August 2013, 11:31

Coal has a combustible part, and an "ash" residue, which is the mineralisation that doesn't burn. The ash contains many elements, mostly silica and alumina (see my other posts in pyramid and orgonite threads), but also Uranium, Thorium, etc.

We've had occupational testing done on people working on and around it, and they are all within the previously posted guidelines, and your statement about granite and hormesis probably applies there...but doesn't stop a stigma being attached to it.

TargeT

15th August 2013, 16:26

I spent this weekend polishing some georgeous cuprosklodite for pendants. It is some of the prettiest uranium rich copper stone I've ever seen... brilliant grass greens with veins of translucent emerald punctuated with reddish earth brown colors.

My wife and mom need pendants.... let me know when your done... the one I wear from you gets a lot of comments & gives me a lot of time to explain Hormesis to people. :)

witchy1

17th August 2013, 04:58

I remember looking into this. As I understand coal contains trace amounts in natural uranium and thorium that become concentrated once burned. As we know coal powered (fossil fueled) plants are common ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil-fuel_power_station ) and are used to create electricity.

Fly ash is the waste product from burning coal and I have read can contain concentrations of up to 10 times their original levels. It escapes into the environment into the soil and waterways and of course gets into lungs. It is also used in Portland cement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_ash

Mercury emmitted from coal powered plants is of concern http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/nov2008/2008-11-21-092.html They are pretty quiet about this.

Shannow

17th August 2013, 05:36

witchy,
pretty close...the coal burned in NSW is around 20-25% non combustible. The most that things can be concentrated is 4-5 times from the original coal. The ash is mostly silica and alumina, with some calcium, magnesium, iron etc. in it, as well as the trace elements mentioned in the thread.

It's used in cement, as it "extends" the expensive cement, while making it flow better and be more chemical resistance. Getting it into concrete, rather than burying it is the way to go. Roman Concrete was volcanic ash and lime, and is way more durable than what the industry generally sells these days.

Edited to show that using ash isn't new. Semi detached houses in next pic were made over half a century ago of lime and coal ash. Not as fine as fly-ash.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/akashafamily/C9C31AF6-7744-463B-A706-E68D838171CF-8862-00000224FAB4D4E0.jpg

My back steps, made from ash, cement, and blast furnace slag some time a long time ago.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/akashafamily/1F8272FF-D7ED-4B62-A8C6-FCC6936BA9B3-8862-00000234AE20E659.jpg

witchy1

17th August 2013, 06:19

What is the geiger counter reading for your concrete????

witchy1

17th August 2013, 06:57

"I thought I'd try to set a special web page with a few of these creations just for a handful of Avalon members at my cost so we can do a guinea pig test. The design will be very simple... just magnaprase with imbedded thorite and a hole for a simple pendant ring connection"

Hi Dawn, do you have the web page for your new creations yet. I'll happily be a guinea pig (and pay for postage and whatever else) How cleaver are you - What a great idea :hail:
K

Shannow

17th August 2013, 07:02

Probably nothing, but no means at my disposal to test it (as yet)...really just to show that ash can be used anywhere.

isoutar

17th August 2013, 21:07

Radioactive Pad

I can give a most positive report on the radioactive pad offered by NightHawkminerals.com ... My wife and I have had one for 2 years. She was working as a security guard and from walking tended to have pains in her ankle. Everytime she came home and put the pad over her ankles for 20 minutes the pain vanished.

Right now I have a bad back injury and if I sit on the couch with the pad pressed to my back over the painful part almost all the pain disappears in 20 minutes.

I was trying to upload attachments showing uranium pads from 1920 and 2013. They can be seen on http://radiation-hormesis.com

i was finally able to add them. Please see the pictures below.

Ian

TargeT

20th August 2013, 18:46

all of our drinking water here in the Virgin Islands (well most anyway) comes from Cisterns, in the house I'm getting there are two cisterns, probably 30,000 gallons each. I was thinking that these are perfect places to toss in some "hot rocks" but on a container that size I'm not sure of the best way to do it.

anyone know where I could look up something like that?

Dawn

21st August 2013, 05:24

TargeT: all of our drinking water here in the Virgin Islands (well most anyway) comes from Cisterns, in the house I'm getting there are two cisterns, probably 30,000 gallons each. I was thinking that these are perfect places to toss in some "hot rocks" but on a container that size I'm not sure of the best way to do it. ...anyone know where I could look up something like that?

If it were me I'd purchase a revigator with the lining still in tact and a magnetic water pump where the pump does not sit in the water, but sits outside the tank. These little water pumps take very little electricity and can even be powered by a little solar panel. I'm sure there must be some sort of opening to the cistern where you could make 2 exact sized holes. You could circulate the water from the cistern through the revigator and allow it to drain back in the tank from the spigot hole at the bottom of the revigator crock. I know that trace amounts of arsenic and a few other chemicals were supposedly found in drinking water which sat in these crocks but I'll bet it wasn't much. Without a water test I can't be sure though. This would add a low level of radon to the cistern. For the amount of carnotite you get in the lining of a Revigator there isn't a common way to buy it online any cheaper as natural rocks ... unless you visit the mines.

You might also call NightHawk and ask if you can get some un-shaped small boulders sent to you... if you put those in a crock you'd have almost the same thing....

However, if you use a revigator for this you would have another advantage. It would be really easy to set up a vortex inside the crock because the carnotite lining is all around the outside of the crock, leaving smooth sides for the vortex to spin past.

By the way, here's an update on my project to create something which allows radiation to pass through magnaprase, a natural stone holding magnesium and copper in a quartz matrix. I've spent about 3-4 hours on the project so far. The magnaprase is extremely hard, though very pretty! Very time consuming to work with!!!! I've purchased some coarser shaping discs in the hope of speeding up the process. I'd still like to offer the first handful for cost of materials only to those who've asked, and I can't do it for more than a handful of people with the time I have to put into working the hard stone. But its going to take a bit longer than I though it would (an understatement for sure) Just leave a note in my personal email here on Avalon or on UraniumJewelry.com ... I really don't want to turn this thread into a sales advertisement... and it is also against Avalon guidelines. I'll let you know when they are ready... first come first served until they are gone. My intention is not to make a profit ... but to allow us all to try something new in our lives. They will be extremely inexpensive

TargeT

21st August 2013, 15:54

TargeT: all of our drinking water here in the Virgin Islands (well most anyway) comes from Cisterns, in the house I'm getting there are two cisterns, probably 30,000 gallons each. I was thinking that these are perfect places to toss in some "hot rocks" but on a container that size I'm not sure of the best way to do it. ...anyone know where I could look up something like that?

If it were me I'd purchase a revigator with the lining still in tact and a magnetic water pump where the pump does not sit in the water, but sits outside the tank. These little water pumps take very little electricity and can even be powered by a little solar panel. I'm sure there must be some sort of opening to the cistern where you could make 2 exact sized holes. You could circulate the water from the cistern through the revigator and allow it to drain back in the tank from the spigot hole at the bottom of the revigator crock. I know that trace amounts of arsenic and a few other chemicals were supposedly found in drinking water which sat in these crocks but I'll bet it wasn't much. Without a water test I can't be sure though. This would add a low level of radon to the cistern. For the amount of carnotite you get in the lining of a Revigator there isn't a common way to buy it online any cheaper as natural rocks ... unless you visit the mines.

Well, since this is a Hormesis thread......... Arsenic is good for you at certain levels (just like everything else in reality.. even radiation... haha) Toxicity can occur if doses larger than 250 mcg are taken a day the average intake is 12-50 mcg.. I'm sure even upwards of 175 mcg daily is perfectly fine. I bet you'll find that the amount of arsenic found was very very low, lower than 1mcg per gallon I'd wager.

Arsnic is used in homeopathics for a lot of reasons (http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-1226-ARSENIC.aspx?activeIngredientId=1226&activeIngredientName=ARSENIC)

You might also call NightHawk and ask if you can get some un-shaped small boulders sent to you... if you put those in a crock you'd have almost the same thing....

However, if you use a revigator for this you would have another advantage. It would be really easy to set up a vortex inside the crock because the carnotite lining is all around the outside of the crock, leaving smooth sides for the vortex to spin past.

I'll call NightHawk and see what they suggest, I was hopping to just toss some ore in the tanks, or something similar.. cycling 60,000 gallons through a small revigator wouldn't work too well I think

Dawn

23rd August 2013, 01:46

Shannow

24th August 2013, 05:25

Slightly off topic, but here's an experiment that I'm sure you all will want to try...making a cloud chamber.

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For those without stones, you can buy "thoriated tungsten" welding tips at a welding supply (maybe hardware shop), which are 2% thorium.

ljwheat

24th August 2013, 13:31

Jay at Knighthalk i remember him talking in one of his interviews that he helped farmers with cattle and there drinking water in troffs a bunch of big hot rock and cattle were theriving from that point on. amazing stuff and this world is hidden from the rest of the world, what a shame.

isoutar

24th August 2013, 16:54

Dawn
Do you want to collaborate on our educational sites?

Ian

Dawn

3rd September 2013, 16:55

I love reading the testimonials on the www.nighthawkminerals.com site. Here's an interesting one they posted in July: http://nighthawkminerals.com/testimonials.html#teeth?utm_source=Copy+of+Early+July+2013&utm_campaign=new+year&utm_medium=email:

[This is] what the rocks have done for me:

1. From just WEARING a rock, it raised a horrible stench that hung in my room for two weeks. After when I saw my daughter and told her about that experience she told me I'd always carried a bad odor that now that I mentioned it, she hadn't noticed this time when she was around me.

2. When I was at Terra Bella I and others who purchased machines from me did Healthscans on around 60 people. Of all the people, I had the best score of 94.9. Two people scored 92. I think the rocks have something to do with this as I am not generally known to have the greatest health in the world.
My husband loves this!

4. I really don't know WHAT to attribute this to, but I am more flexible than I can remember ever being in my adult life. Rocks?

5. My teeth have been incredibly compromised. Big chunks of "tooth" have literally fallen out three times in the last couple of years. I had too many cavities to even count. About three years ago I had $3K of dental work done for free and needed that much again. I could never finance all of this! I believe the rocks are a part of the reason why my mineralization has improved and many of these spots are slowly healing.

6. A gum abcess was behind one of these tooth chunks falling out. I didn't know it was there until after the tooth shattered. One night I put two of the larger flat rocks on either side of my face in an attempt to create an electrical circuit around my mouth. I knew I should really TIE them onto my face but was too lazy. I thought I would just keep them on until I went to sleep. I woke up in the night while turning. I was shocked to realize that the side of my face that had the abscess was holding onto the rock even though gravity should have pulled it off! I had sweat on the rock and I'm sure that helped but it seemed like a slight electrical current was also maintaining the connection to my skin. The next day that abcess started draining. It drained for about five days then rested two. Week two it did the same thing. Week three, repeat of the same pattern. Each time there was less intensity in volume of discharge and pain. After the third time, it was done. At first chewing on that bad tooth was very miserable as I had like a shelf across part of the top with the heart of the tooth gone. Since then, each week I am more and more comfortable because the tooth is re-gaining its structure back! I still get food stuck in there but I can tell from week to week that the hole is getting smaller.

I think that is all quite incredible for one person to experience over wearing a silly rock and having rocks in their drinking water!

Blessings.

C.

Our Percheron Cross Top of page

August 2012
Jamie,

Sith73

4th September 2013, 01:09

Yep got the same news letter today. Good stuff. Thanks Dawn

isoutar

7th September 2013, 16:56

Notes on strength of hormesis tools and corresponding effects.

Here is what a group of us in Victoria have discovered ...

Pendant or necklace 2-4 uSv/hr boosts immunity to colds.

Mudpack for under sheet in bed 15 uSv/hr gives pain relief in 10-15 minutes.

The water stone from nighthawk minerals does not add measurable radon to the water like the Revigator does. Seems to help with arthritis. The stone itself measures 4 to 10 uSv/hr

Fiesta ware saucer 117 uSv/hr gives pain relief in 5 minutes if held on sore shoulder.

Fiestaware is a powerful cheap source varying from 50 to 100. Authentic fiestaware is 100. I bought 3 for 1 dollar a saucer. To collectors a lone saucer is worthless but great for hormetic healing.

I would appreciate hearing other experiences?

Atlas

8th September 2013, 07:34

Consensus reports by the United States National Research Council and the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements and the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) argue that there is no evidence for hormesis in humans and in the case of the National Research Council, that hormesis is outright rejected as a possibility. Therefore, the Linear no-threshold model (LNT) continues to be the model generally used by regulatory agencies for human radiation exposure. (wikipedia.org/Radiation_hormesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis))

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Above doses of 50–100 mSv (protracted exposure) or 10–50 mSv (acute exposure), direct epidemiological evidence from human populations demonstrates that exposure to ionizing radiation increases the risk of some cancers. [...] it is unlikely that we will be able to directly and precisely quantify cancer risks in human populations at doses much below 10 mSv. Our inability to quantify such risks does not, however, imply that the corresponding societal risks are necessarily negligible; a very small risk, if applied to a large number of individuals, can result in a significant public health problem. (Cancer risks attributable to low doses of ionizing radiation (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC283495/))

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In the section of this report on observed dose-response relationships at low doses, bystander effects and hyper radiation sensitivity for low-dose deleterious effects in mammalian cells have been observed for doses in the 10–100 mGy range. [...] End points for these deleterious effects include mutations, chromosomal aberrations, oncogenic transformation, genomic instability, and cell lethality. These deleterious effects have been observed for cells irradiated in vivo as well as in vitro.

[...] the committee has found no consistent evidence in the epidemiologic literature that low doses of ionizing radiation lower the risk of disease or death. [...] The committee concludes that the assumption that any stimulatory hormetic effects from low doses of ionizing radiation will have a significant health benefit to humans that exceeds potential detrimental effects from the radiation exposure is unwarranted at this time. (Health Risks from Exposure to Low Levels of Ionizing Radiation: BEIR VII Phase 2 (http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=11340))

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- IAEA Admits: There Is No Such Thing As ‘Safe’ Levels Of Radiation (http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2011/07/28/2011/06/02/iaea-admits-there-is-no-such-thing-as-safe-levels-of-radiation/)

- Dr. Steven Wing And Chief Nuclear Engineer Arnie Gundersen DiscussGlobal Radiation Exposure and Consequences: There Is No Safe Dose of Radiation (http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2011/07/28/2011/04/22/dr-steven-wing-and-chief-nuclear-engineer-arnie-gundersen-discuss-global-radiation-exposure-and-consequences-there-is-no-safe-dose-of-radiation/)

- UC Santa Cruz Nuclear Expert Daniel Hirsch: ‘Every Amount of Radiation Exposure Increases Your Risk of Cancer.’ ‘There Is No Safe Level of Radiation (http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2011/07/28/2011/04/21/uc-santa-cruz-nuclear-expert-daniel-hirsch-every-amount-of-radiation-exposure-increases-your-risk-of-cancer-there-is-no-safe-level-of-radiation/).’

- Dr. Helen Caldicott: How Nuclear Apologists Mislead The World Over Radiation (http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2011/07/28/2011/04/13/dr-helen-caldicott-how-nuclear-apologists-mislead-the-world-over-radiation/)

- Dr. Brian Moench: There Is No ‘Safe’ Exposure To Radiation (http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2011/07/28/2011/04/11/dr-brian-moench-there-is-no-safe-exposure-to-radiation/)

- Dr. Peter Karamoskos: Don’t Be Fooled By A Never-Ending Cabal Of Paid Industry Scientific ”Consultants’ – Radiation Is Bad And Causes Cancer (http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2011/07/28/2011/04/10/dr-peter-karamoskos-dont-be-fooled-by-a-never-ending-cabal-of-paid-industry-scientific-consultants-radiation-is-bad-and-causes-cancer/)

Atlas

8th September 2013, 07:52

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Karl Grossman : "A lot of nuclear scientists … actually have the nerve to claim that radiation is good for you, and they have this theory called 'radiation hormesis' and they claim that radioactivity exercises the immune system and it's a healthy thing for people. Essentially what they are doing is promoting their technology with this incredible lie,"
www.karlgrossman.com (http://www.karlgrossman.com/)
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TargeT

8th September 2013, 11:55

Read earlier in the thread buares; there are details there that show that hormesis seems to be undeniable & some of us (myself included) have been exposing ourselves for quite some time now with only positive effects

Sith73

8th September 2013, 12:41

I also have a radiated rock purchased from Dawn that gives off around 11,000 cpm that I wear everyday. I never take it off. I haven't gotten sick or felt bad. Only good things are happening for me.

Atlas

9th September 2013, 01:31

Homeopathic uranium
http://www.periodictable.com/Samples/092.32/s7s.JPG

Homeopathic plutonium
http://www.periodictable.com/Samples/094.5/s7s.JPG

Nuts at every level. That it is legal to sell homeopathic crap of any kind is a testimony to pathological ignorance, but this one really takes the cake. Given that plutonium is among the most lethal of all substances, you pretty much have to trust in the utterly fraudulent nature of homeopathy to even consider taking these pills.

isoutar

9th September 2013, 01:54

On the contrary to that last post!
Go to radiation-hormesis.com
Look up research near end for paper called Radiation Hormesis With internal and External Exposures. In it TD Luckey found that the US army took a dozen folk doomed to die of cancer in 6 months. All received injections of materials like plutonium, radium, uranium etc.

The plutonium guy received just the right low dose to cure his cancer she he lived the longest. Many others who lived a decade or more!

Plutonium is not particularly poisonous. That was cold war propaganda started by Ralph Nader I hear.

Ian Soutar

Atlas

9th September 2013, 04:25

A medical expert on the impacts of radiation, Dr. Steven Wing of the University of North Carolina School of Public Health, where he is a professor of epidemiology, comments that "Luckey and the others advocating hormesis are without foundation."

He declares that the push for "radiation hormesis" is "related to the conflicts of interest" involving these individuals connected to "universities, government agencies, industry and government laboratories that profit from nuclear weapons and the nuclear power industry."

isoutar

9th September 2013, 07:11

Hi to the forum

The suggestion that T D Luckey has hidden motives is ridiculous. His discoveries were based on a century of low dose experiments that he republished in one giant volume. Much to his surprise did he discover that hormesis is seen in low dose chemical toxicology and radiation toxicology too.

T D Luckey is often quoted by Dr Sakamoto a medical doctor in Japan who for 20 years cured cancer with a high success rate and no side effects using Luckey's work to design the low dose x-ray based therapy which triggered the body's immune system to remove the cancer.
Sakamoto's work interestingly evolved into Spleen irradiation. This worked the best. I know a professor here in Victoria who wears uranium glass low dose beads suspended by clothing over his spleen. T D Luckey was Knighted by ritual in Japan for his life saving work.

T D (Don) Luckey is a friend but is very old these days and cannot write after his stroke at about the age of 94 just a few months ago.

I admire his true spirit of science ... To go beyond what Everyone Knows ... And disprove it! A brave soul. There is a picture of him with Jay Guttierez (Colorado medicine man) from 1 years ago on my hormesis site ... Which, I have to admit started out as a tribute to Don Luckey ...

http://Radiation-hormesis.com <= See TD Luckey with research summary

T D Luckey Details
He was knighted by several countries for his work. His large work on radiation hormesis spanned the era from 1880 to 1989 ... A century of research including over 1500 experiments carried out worldwide. Almost all showed hormetic benefits to plants trees, animals of all kinds and humans.
Low dose radiation is used worldwide in the form of healing hot springs. In most countries of the world except Canada and the US radon spa treatment is the most popular treatment for arthritis. Low dose hormesis healing has been used for about 8000 years worldwide.

The professor you are quoting has little understanding of the subject plus he suffers from Cold War Propaganda like most of us. Because of this programming it is unthinkable to speak of health benefits!

My own self-exposures to low dose radiation
Having felt the benefits I can only remain amused at people's 1959 based beliefs. Radiation has brought almost complete relief from my own arthritis through radon baths and wearing radioactive stones.

There are others in the forum here who have similarly benefited.

I will keep quiet but invite others to share experiences and theories. ...

Radioactively yours
Ian

Atlas

9th September 2013, 07:28

Thanks isoutar, here is the work Luckey mentions regarding the plutonium injections (Los Alamos):
http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/lanl/pubs/00326640.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/divers/Puinjections.gif

If some lived for decades as you said, others died within days.

onawah

9th September 2013, 07:36

Wow, I can't believe this:"utterly fraudulent nature of homeopathy"!!
It may be that this information about hormesis is going to be controversial and understandably so, given the amount of bad press it's been given, but homeopathy?
Millions of people have benefited from homeopathy, myself included.
Buares, you are not going to get about as much support in that view as you are giving to those testifying to their benefits from hormesis.
I think you've joined the wrong forum.

Homeopathic uranium
http://www.periodictable.com/Samples/092.32/s7s.JPG

Homeopathic plutonium
http://www.periodictable.com/Samples/094.5/s7s.JPG

Nuts at every level. That it is legal to sell homeopathic crap of any kind is a testimony to pathological ignorance, but this one really takes the cake. Given that plutonium is among the most lethal of all substances, you pretty much have to trust in the utterly fraudulent nature of homeopathy to even consider taking these pills.

Atlas

9th September 2013, 08:02

ThePythonicCow

9th September 2013, 08:23

Homeopathy: The Ultimate Fake (http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html)by Stephen Barrett, M.D.

Stephen Joel Barrett(born 1933) is a retired American psychiatrist, author, co-founder of the National Council Against Health Fraud (NCAHF), and the webmaster of Quackwatch (Quackwatch received a 2003 award as a useful source for online consumer information).

I think you should read more onawah.

My impression has long been that Barrett's Quackwatch is not a reliable source of medical information ... :).

(Unless by "reliable" you mean reliably attacks anything in alternative medicine that actually works sometimes.)

onawah

9th September 2013, 08:29

I read plenty, thank you very much, Buares.
I think perhaps you need to find another pastime than trying to debunk info on Avalon.
As I said before, you seem to have joined the wrong forum.

Atlas

9th September 2013, 09:23

Was it about Homeopathy or about me onawah ? My grandmother uses Homeopathy every day and never complained about it. However, according to wikipedia.org/Homeopathy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy)

"Scientific research has found homeopathic remedies ineffective and their postulated mechanisms of action implausible.

Homeopathic remedies have been the subject of numerous clinical trials. Taken together, these trials show at best no effect beyond placebo, at worst that homeopathy could be actively harmful.

Although some trials produce positive results, systematic reviews reveal that this is because of chance, flawed research methods, and reporting bias.

The proposed mechanisms for homeopathy are precluded by the laws of physics from having any effect. The low concentration of homeopathic remedies, which often lack even a single molecule of the diluted substance, has been the basis of questions about the effects of the remedies since the 19th century.

Outside alternative medicine, the scientific community regards homeopathy as quackery or a sham, and homeopathic practice has been criticized as unethical. The American Medical Association has consistently targeted Homeopathy as quackery. Patients who choose to use homeopathy rather than evidence-based medicine risk missing timely diagnosis and effective treatment of serious conditions such as cancer."

Once again onawah, I really think you should read more.

onawah

9th September 2013, 09:32

And I think you should read more than the likes of Wikipedia and Quackwatch!! :lol:

Atlas

9th September 2013, 09:43

Dear onawah, my opinion on Homeopathy is as clear as :
http://www.danbuzzard.net/storage/just-water-530x450.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1331907118866
and:
http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/AP-HomeopathicRemedies.gif

Shannow

9th September 2013, 10:16

What's your view on traditional western medicine...certainly not an evidence based system, and has a death toll typically many times the road toll in the areas in which it is "practiced" ? (with no intention of getting it right either)

Google for yourself what happens when doctors go on strike, versus their fundamental Hippocratic oath...

Atlas

9th September 2013, 10:48

Shannow

9th September 2013, 11:11

My view is that modern medicine is the best medicine humanity has ever had and I support the doctors when they go on strike.

I also believe that traditional and alternative medicine (with caution) could help everyone.

In other terms, Homeopathy and Hormesis would be a good thing only if their benefits were clearly established prior to their commercialization.

No, I meant that you should Google "what happens when doctors go on strike ?"

If only western medicine was required to stand up the the mirror that it wants everything else to stand up to, they would first "do no harm", as per their oath...then they would try to heal people.

Trauma and ER, you don't want to be anywhere but modern western medicine...the rest of it is all about money, and selling stuff to scared people...while killing more of them than most road tolls.

Atlas

9th September 2013, 11:58

lol, we should all support the doctors when they go on strike then ! ;)

The issue you raise here surely is interesting, unfortunately, I don't know enough about medicine to give you a good answer but yes definitely, when medicine is corrupted by money is when we're going down instead of going up.

Shannow

9th September 2013, 12:28

But you DO know enough about alternative medicine to declare it quackery, false, and "just water"

Atlas

9th September 2013, 12:47

Don't mix everything, there are many different alternative medicines:

Remember, in my first answer to you I wrote: "I also believe that traditional and alternative medicine (with caution) could help everyone."

I maintain homeopathy is just water, it becomes quackery as soon as you believe the benefits are other than strictly psychological.

Traditional medicine like, for example, acupuncture is very efficient.

I maintain that radiation hormesis is nothing but a placebo until someone proves me wrong.

Shannow

9th September 2013, 12:55

You stated that modern medicine is the best that we have ever had...yet then claim that you don't know enough about it.

I am exploring that part of your answer...particularly if it is to be proven before people can make money out of it.

Atlas

9th September 2013, 13:07

In the mainstream medical literature are quite a number of epidemiological studies showing that even minimal doses of ionizing radiation induce extra cases of cancer.

Keith F. Baverstock et al, "Risk of Radiation at Low Dose Rates," Lancet 1: 30-433. Feb. 21, 1981.

Keith F. Baverstock + J. Vennart, "A Note on Radium Body Content and Breast Cancers in U.K. Radium Luminisers," Health Physics 44, Suppl.No.1: 75-577. 1983.

Keith F. Baverstock + D.G. Papworth, "The U.K. Radium Luminizer Survey," British J. of Radiology, Supplemental BIR Report 21: 1-76. (BIR = Brit. Inst. of Radiology.) 1987.

John D. Boice, Jr. + R.R. Monson, "Breast Cancer in Women after Repeated Fluoroscopic Examinations of the Chest," J. of the Natl. Cancer Inst. 59: 23-832. 1977.

John D. Boice, Jr. et al, "Estimation of Breast Doses and Breast Cancer Risk Associated with Repeated Fluoroscopic Chest Examinations..." Radiation Research 73: 73-390. 1978.

Elizabeth B. Harvey et al, "Prenatal X-Ray Exposure and Childhood Cancer in Twins," New England J. of Medicine 312, No.9: 541-545. Feb. 28, 1985.

Daniel A. Hoffman et al, "Breast Cancer in Women with Scoliosis Exposed to Multiple Diagnostic X-Rays," J. of the Natl. Cancer Inst. 81, No.17: 1307-1312. Sept. 6, 1989. Publication of an expanded follow-up study is expected soon.

Geoffrey R. Howe, "Epidemiology of Radiogenic Breast Cancer," pp.119-129 in (book) Radiation Carcinogenesis: Epidemiology and Biological Significance, edited by John D. Boice, Jr., and Joseph F. Fraumeni. Raven Press, New York City. 1984.

Brian MacMahon, "Prenatal X-Ray Exposure and Childhood Cancer," J. of the Natl. Cancer Inst. 28: 1173-1191. 1962.

Anthony B. Miller et al, "Mortality from Breast Cancer after Irradiation during Fluoroscopic Examinations..." New England J. of Medicine 321, No.19: 1285-1289. 1989.

Baruch Modan et al, "Thyroid Cancer Following Scalp Irradiation," Radiology 123: 741-744. 1977.

Baruch Modan et al, "Increased Risk of Breast Cancer after Low-Dose Irradiation," Lancet 1: 629-631. March 25, 1989.

J.A Myrden + J.E. Hiltz, "Breast Cancer Following Multiple Fluoroscopies during Artificial Pneumothorax Treatment of Pulmonary Tuberculosis," Canadian Medical Assn. Journal 100: 1032-1034. 1969.

Alice M. Stewart et al, "Preliminary Communication: Malignant Disease in Childhood and Diagnostic Irradiation In-Utero," Lancet 2: 447. 1956.

Alice M. Stewart et al, "A Survey of Childhood Malignancies," British Medical Journal 2: 1495-1508. 1958.

Alice M. Stewart + George W. Kneale, "Radiation Dose Effects in Relation to Obstetric X-Rays and Childhood Cancers," Lancet 1: 1185-1188. 1970.

witchy1

9th September 2013, 13:29

Off Topic, buares can you please take ALL of your arguments / opinions off this - the Hormesis thread and start a new topic given your obvious desire to teach avalonians the error of their ways

Thanks
Karen

Atlas

9th September 2013, 13:46

I'm trying to answer the questions asked by other posters here witchy1.

I'm only concerned with radiation hormesis here, which is the topic of the thread, and my posts are on topic.

TargeT

9th September 2013, 18:13

I maintain that radiation hormesis is nothing but a placebo until someone proves me wrong.

Here: http://www.jpands.org/vol9no1/chen.pdf

now that you are proven wrong, what will you do?

Off Topic, buares can you please take ALL of your arguments / opinions off this - the Hormesis thread and start a new topic given your obvious desire to teach avalonians the error of their ways

Thanks
Karen

his posts are on topic, he feels that there is nothing to Hormesis, though he hasn't given anything but other peoples opinions or reports on reports they have read (not very good evidence IMO) to show the source of his doubt.

since hormesis has valid backing this is a good opportunity to show the data; the case study I posted above covers a 20 year exposure to 10,000 people and their subsequent, substantial health benefits

he has ignored this the last three times I posted it, perhaps this is the time he will read it (I’m assuming “he” here I do not know the individuals gender)

isoutar

9th September 2013, 18:21

Luckey's data proves his point ... please replicate the calculations. The lifespans of the peope in the Plutonium and other injection tests in the 40s and 50s increased lifespan from 6 months to 12 years on the average. The record lifespan was 44 years.

Excellent data summary ... yes, and many many of them if you add up the days lived for years more. Although it is listed in days, many represent years of extra life. You left off the most important part of the data that T D Luckey collected ... the analysis.

Roughly I added up the number of years they lived. Many lived over a decade after their treatment. In the analysis 18 people lived approximately 228 years in total and there were 18 people. Dividing this gives an average lifespan of 12 years, with only 4 living less than a year. Perhaps someone with a bit more patience can get the exact average age of survival. I am sure of my figures to within a year.

Sometimes people assume that data means something without analysing the data. In their head it just appears to prove what they want it to whereas what it really proves is the opposite. In this case we have the right data to prove hormesis has some interesting possibilities for disease reduction.

Such was the genius of T D Luckey that he just kept collecting data and analysing the statistics for over a century of research!

Thanks for collecting the data
It is very important to analyse the data as well to see that something very exciting is happening! Radiation hormesis cured and extended the lives of more than 78% of the people in the study who received on the average a life extention of 11 years.

Ian Soutar

Atlas

9th September 2013, 20:17

Here: http://www.jpands.org/vol9no1/chen.pdf

now that you are proven wrong, what will you do?

Not so fast my friend, I'm not proven wrong yet. About the study you show here, Wikipedia wrote:

"A medical study published in 2004 claimed the cancer mortality rates in the exposed population were more than 20 times lower than expected. However, this initial study failed to control for age, comparing a much younger exposed population (mean age 17.2 years at initial exposure) with the much older general population of Taiwan (mean age approx. 34 years in 2004), a serious flaw. Older people have much higher cancer rates even in the absence of excess radiation exposure."

Yes I know, Wikipedia is also part of the conspiracy, but I'm sure you can find a better explanation.

since hormesis has valid backing A flawed case is not a valid backing.

this is a good opportunity to show the dataAbsolutely and yes I'm a he by the way.

Atlas

9th September 2013, 21:05

Luckey's data proves his point
Your website is very well done Ian. I'd like to make things clear about the radiation "dose" or "level". Here is what Don Samurai Luckey wrote in 2011:

"Radiation triage is relatively simple for people with chronic exposures from external sources.

People exposed to less than 10 Gy/y (about 1 mGy/h) from external radiation can immediately help those less fortunate.

People exposed to 2-10 mGy/h for prolonged periods should be placed under observation. Reddening of the skin (as in sunburn) is symptomatic of minor excess radiation.

People exposed to 11-100 mGy/h for an extended time will have radiation sickness and should be placed under medical care.

People who receive more than 1 Gy/h will have serious radiation sickness.

People exposed to more than 10 Gy/h should be placed in a hospice with care and a blessing.

The combined data from Hiroshima and Nagasaki indicate that people exposed to less than 1,000 mSv acute radiation should be recruited to help those who are disabled and sick.

People exposed to 1,000-2,000 mSv acute radiation may require treatment for radiation sickness.

People exposed to 2,000-6,000 mSv need immediate hospitalization.

People with more than 6,000 mSv should be placed in a hospice with care and a blessing."

Do you agree with that?

isoutar

9th September 2013, 21:19

Hormesis is About Rediscovering Traditional Tools

I would like to see the topic return to hormesis. Many of us are happily irradiating ourselves and have left the zone of worry years ago, just as all of Europe and all of Asia has in their mainstream radioactive healing hot spring treatments that have been successful for arthritis for thousands of years.

Germany, Austria, Greece, Poland, Czech Republic, Russia, China, Thailand, India, The Ukraines and Japan all use radioactive natural hot springs for arthritis treatment as has always been true. Cold war.

So we are being real traditionalists in the forum here!

Radioactively yours
Ian

Atlas

9th September 2013, 21:19

http://www.gavinshoebridge.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Health-Risks-of-Radiation-1.1.jpg

Where does the text come from on that chart? who made up those statements? Was it anyone that had ever actually seen radiation exposure?

Well, let's say Don Luckey just proved you wrong.

isoutar

9th September 2013, 21:23

Again it is off topic. We are only discussing low dose radiation, not rescuing people who have poisoned themselves with to much. I am agreeing with the suggestions of Don Luckey but that too is off topic.

Atlas

9th September 2013, 21:27

Let's get back on topic then.

What are the low dose radiation levels you or Luckey recommend?

isoutar

9th September 2013, 21:43

If you study the graph for beneficial levels on http://radiation-hormesis.com, Don Luckey computed the levels and Jerry Cuttler of Mississauga Ontario came up with AHARS standard or As High As Reasonably Safe.

To answer your question just read Jerry Cuttler's discussion on evacuation.

By agreement Jerry and Don publish that ideally 100uSv / hour is the ideal level. Some other researchers suggest 35. But in hormesis the biopositive difference is only a few percent.

Your chart supposedly from Luckey does not agree with his book from 1982 or with his current research in the last decade. It does not even show a hormetic effect. Must be his work from before he knew better!

Ian

Atlas

9th September 2013, 22:31

The simplified chart isn't from Luckey, that was an answer to TargeT who thought 10 Sv wouldn't kill him.

Cuttler said: "Raise radiation level for evacuation from 20 to 1000 mSv/year". This concurs with the off-topic chart I posted above.

Dawn

10th September 2013, 00:05

I am going to post my personal thank you to Buares for livening the discussion here on this thread. Without a protagonist, lively discussion doesn't last very long. It seems to me Buares, that you are coming from an angry victim point of view ... it seems important to remain angry that people have been and are being exposed to Fukishima radiation, for example. You don't seem too interested in studying the material provided in this thread in order to learn about the research behind it in order to learn something new. Still, you have been very helpful in stimulating discussion here, and I am grateful for your efforts in this regard.

For me, coming to an understanding that low levels of radiation are, in fact, health promoting has been a big relief. Before I did my own research I was terrified of even the smallest dose of radiation. I am from the generation where we used to have Nuclear Bomb drills. We were taught in school to get under our desks when the drill started and shown a movie of the mushroom cloud and the winds accompanying it. It was pretty clear to me that my desk would not protect me from what was shown in that movie! I was 5 years old when I experienced my first such drill... a very tender and innocent age to be looking at mass destruction. From that programming I developed a terror of all things radioactive. Only recently have I been able to open my mind enough to explore the topic of radiation hormesis.

Today I have added to my overall personal radiation hormesis treatment. From Ian's understanding of Japanese research, I became aware that getting the radiation into the body, and in particular into the spleen, is what is important. I wear uranium jewelry necklaces and pendants daily. I also have little uranium ore samples all around my workshop. The background radiation in my workshop is about 2.5-3.5 uSv/hr depending on where I am working in the moment.

However, I realized I was missing out on focusing radiation in the area of my spleen. It dawned on me (:biggrin:-- pun intended) that I could tape a couple of really "hot" natural rocks to my desk where the left side of my torso usually is. I've measured the area since I doctored it, and checked the dose my spleen will be getting....

...........Right up against my workbench (belly to the desk) I will be getting 35 uSv/hr
...........From 4 inches away I will be getting 14 uSv/hr
...........From 12 inches away I will be getting 5.5 uSv/hr

This dose should help my body's immune system, according to Japanese researchers.

Meanwhile, I have been doing some really dirty garden work (manuring, chipping, and spreading rock flour) for the past 3 days. I haven't been wearing my delightful uranium jewelry in the face of all this dirt and dust... sure enough... I awoke this morning with sore arthritic joints. Just like clockwork, this mistake has shown me yet again that 3 days without uranium jewelry is just too long for comfort.

isoutar

10th September 2013, 00:33

Thanks ... I thought incorrectly it was from Luckey.

The chart of dose levels above certainly disagree with Luckey and Cuttler. Don came up with the graph but Jerry added the AHARS evacuation guide.

Ian

Atlas

10th September 2013, 00:47

Thank you very much for your insight Dawn.

2 days ago, I knew nothing about radiation hormesis. I was trying to not let people think Fukushima is the end of the world on the Fukushima thread when TargeT posted that 10 Sv(/h) was absolutely safe and I felt like I had to prevent the bloke from jumping from the roof.

Now I got into this thread, all I can say is that isoutar and TargeT are playing with bionegative hormesis from a Luckey point of view. That's fine, they know what they're doing so I don't care anymore.

However, I would greatly appreciate if some of you glowing kamikazes could show me a chart resembling the not so off-topic chart I posted above, that would help because the Luckey/Cuttler's chart just isn't enough.

And if there are any benefits from radiation hormesis (even if I still don't have enough evidence to believe that), what about radioactive homeopathy?

isoutar

10th September 2013, 00:52

The outline looks reasonable.

Ian

Luckey's data

proves his point
Your website is very well done Ian. I'd like to make things clear about the radiation "dose" or "level". Here is what Don Samurai Luckey wrote in 2011:

"Radiation triage is relatively simple for people with chronic exposures from external sources.

People exposed to less than 10 Gy/y (about 1 mGy/h) from external radiation can immediately help those less fortunate.

People exposed to 2-10 mGy/h for prolonged periods should be placed under observation. Reddening of the skin (as in sunburn) is symptomatic of minor excess radiation.

People exposed to 11-100 mGy/h for an extended time will have radiation sickness and should be placed under medical care.

People who receive more than 1 Gy/h will have serious radiation sickness.

People exposed to more than 10 Gy/h should be placed in a hospice with care and a blessing.

The combined data from Hiroshima and Nagasaki indicate that people exposed to less than 1,000 mSv acute radiation should be recruited to help those who are disabled and sick.

People exposed to 1,000-2,000 mSv acute radiation may require treatment for radiation sickness.

People exposed to 2,000-6,000 mSv need immediate hospitalization.

People with more than 6,000 mSv should be placed in a hospice with care and a blessing."

Do you agree with that?

isoutar

10th September 2013, 01:21

Below is an interesting abstract about radiation and type 2 diabetes reversal.

Not sure why there is a comment on bionegative ranges of hormesis. Everyone here stays in the biopositive hormesis range. I have never heard of any dangerous practice's here.

Some of the positive effects observed by us ...
Colds and flu almost never happen.
Pain relief from arthritis observed by many.
Type 2 diabetes disappeared for me. Doctor gave 3 extra tests ... Could not believe it.

Here is the paper on type 2 diabetes mitigation ...

Long-Term Low Dose Rate Irradiation Causes Recovery from Type II Diabetes and Suppression of Aging in Type II Diabetes-Prone Mice

Takaharu Nomura, Nao Makino, Takeshi Oda, Ikuno Suzuki and Kazuo Sakai
Low Dose Radiation Research Center, CRIEPI, Japan

The effects of low dose rate gamma irradiation on Model C57BL/KsJ-db/db mice with Type II diabetes mellitus were investigated. These mice develop Type II diabetes by 10 weeks of age, due to obesity, and are characterized by hyperinsulinemia.

A group of 12 female 10-week old mice were irradiated at 0.65 mGy/hr in the low dose rate irradiation facility in the Low Dose Radiation Research Center. The urine glucose levels of all of the mice were strongly positive at the beginning of the irradiation. In the irradiated group, a decrease in the glucose was observed in three mice – one in the 35th week, another in the 52nd week and the third in the 80th week. No recovery from diabetes was observed in the 12 mice of the non-irradiated control group.

There was no systematic change of body weight or consumption of food and drinking water between the irradiated group and the non-irradiated or between the recovered mice and the non-recovered mice.

Survival was better in the irradiated group. The surviving fraction at the age of 90 weeks was 75% in the irradiated group, but only 40% in the non-irradiated group. A marked difference was also observed in the appearance of the coat hair, skin and tail. The irradiated group was in much better condition.

Mortality was delayed and the healthy appearance was prolonged in the irradiated mice by about 20 to 30 weeks compared with the control mice.

These results suggest that the low-dose irradiation modified the condition of the diabetic mice, leading not only to recovery from diabetes, but also to suppression of the aging process.

isoutar

10th September 2013, 01:27

I agree 10 Sv/hour is deadly!

Ian

Atlas

10th September 2013, 01:44

Not sure why there is a comment on bionegative ranges of hormesis. Everyone here stays in the biopositive hormesis range. I have never heard of any dangerous practice's here.
No worries mate, I was referring to Luckey's optimum level but I don't suffer from arthritis yet.

Colds and flu almost never happen.
Don't ask me how I managed to do this because I don't know myself, but the fact is I catch 1 (small) cold and 1 (big) flu once a year maximum and I've never used any hormesis therapy.

Below is an interesting abstract about radiation and type 2 diabetes reversal.
Thank you very much for this info, I'll check this out.

:focus:

Dawn

10th September 2013, 02:47

TargeT

10th September 2013, 03:17

Buares: Don't ask me how I managed to do this because I don't know myself, but the fact is I catch 1 (small) cold and 1 (big) flu once a year maximum and I've never used any hormesis therapy.

You may think this is an indication of good health, however I will tell you that I have not had a cold or flu for many years now. I do NOT average even ONE Of these yearly. I don't think one cold and one flu yearly is something indicating good health or a good immune system.

I"ve noticed this as well, I normally get hit with one major flu a year, hardcore fever, in bed suffering type... I haven't had one this year yet and it's normally a spring time thing, perhaps this fall will prove me wrong, but for some reason I doubt it... The placement of my stone right at the base of my neck above my lungs may be a major contributing factor (as most flu are respiratory in nature)

Yes I know, Wikipedia is also part of the conspiracy, but I'm sure you can find a better explanation.

no, you simply adjust it based on the older general population and get a 13.5 times lower than expected rate...... which is still, extremely significant.

you seem to like throwing the baby out with the bath water, just because a number or word were not correctly placed the data is not invalidated.

I suppose you haven't worked with statistics or databases very often though, one learns to adjust thresholds often, which really only tweaks the findings in a minor way usually.

Thank you very much for your insight Dawn.

2 days ago, I knew nothing about radiation hormesis. I was trying to not let people think Fukushima is the end of the world on the Fukushima thread when TargeT posted that 10 Sv(/h) was absolutely safe

did I say 10Sv/h was absolutely safe? if so I was wrong, that is a high dose at that rate.... Did I say it wouldn't kill you? or did I say it wasn't going to "end the world" ?

most the fukushima data does not reference a per-second or per-hour rate.

if it was 10sv/second I would say you'd be dead quickly.

the only thing I was trying to say is that low doses of radiation is not bad for you (100msv is getting close to high)

isoutar

10th September 2013, 05:19

As far as immune improvement you can only compare your own body immune performance to itself, not another person. To put my observations into perspective I used to get 4 to 5 colds every year for 40 years. The year I started wearing uranium glass beads I did not get a cold all year. In the last 6 months i made a practice of sharing food or marijuana with people suffering from colds. No colds no flu.

I do get colds but very rarely. 1/year one year.

So perhaps for someone who only gets one cold ... They might become immune!

Ian

Atlas

10th September 2013, 05:30

Atlas

10th September 2013, 05:57

no, you simply adjust it based on the older general population and get a 13.5 times lower than expected rate...... which is still, extremely significant.
Yes, maybe I shouldn't rely on wikipedia too much. But still, there's a controversy between scientists on this case, and as you can guess, I'm not a nuclear physicist to know who is right or wrong.

did I say 10Sv/h was absolutely safe?

No, what you said :

Notice the EXTREME difference in these charts?

10 Sv will not kill you, not even close! (as the chart you posted states).As my chart was in Sv/h, I understood that you were saying that 10 Sv/h were safe whilst I saw it as a lethal dose.

most the fukushima data does not reference a per-second or per-hour rate.
TEPCO data is in μSv/ｈ. There does not seem to be any 'per-second' rate anywhere...

Atlas

10th September 2013, 06:18

The chart of dose levels above certainly disagree with Luckey and Cuttler. Don came up with the graph but Jerry added the AHARS evacuation guide.
Ian
Thank you for your guidance Dawn, TargeT, Ian and all.

My issue now is to get a correct chart so I can compare the levels with the Fukushima data as it's quite an important topic. Some avalonians think that the contaminated water and clouds are killing the salmons in Alaska and will cause major disaster in the US. No kidding, have a look at Bill's thread here: projectavalon.net/We-think-something-happened-in-the-ocean (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62520-We-think-something-happened-in-the-ocean.)

I hope you can help.

Bubu

10th September 2013, 10:52

good discussion. As for me I would rather believe personal testimonies than research results. And there is another very important factor; mainstream says radiation is bad for us. My only problem now is where to get the pendants. Hard to find in a third world where most people are snoring.

Thank you all.

TargeT

10th September 2013, 12:55

No, what you said :

Notice the EXTREME difference in these charts?

10 Sv will not kill you, not even close! (as the chart you posted states).As my chart was in Sv/h, I understood that you were saying that 10 Sv/h were safe whilst I saw it as a lethal dose.

most the fukushima data does not reference a per-second or per-hour rate.
TEPCO data is in μSv/ｈ. There does not seem to be any 'per-second' rate anywhere...

was the context measurements in μSv?

10 Sv is getting really high, like cancer treatment levels (which seem to have a low survival rate) 10 μSv/ｈI wouldn't even blink at or worry about what so ever. I don't bother with the Sv levels (we have a lot of data on how bad those are) I focus on mSv and μSv... those are the levels I have read a little about and would be comfortable to be around yet we have been told to avoid at all costs for no apparent reason.

The chart of dose levels above certainly disagree with Luckey and Cuttler. Don came up with the graph but Jerry added the AHARS evacuation guide.
Ian
Thank you for your guidance Dawn, TargeT, Ian and all.

My issue now is to get a correct chart so I can compare the levels with the Fukushima data as it's quite an important topic. Some avalonians think that the contaminated water and clouds are killing the salmons in Alaska and will cause major disaster in the US. No kidding, have a look at Bill's thread here: projectavalon.net/We-think-something-happened-in-the-ocean (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62520-We-think-something-happened-in-the-ocean.)

I hope you can help.

This is also what I hope to change thought on, the Salmon in Alaska are effected by a few things: Rampant commercial fishing & a cyclic low point in spawning, heavy tourist fishing and an unseasonably cold last few years (the atlantic/pasific northern pass didn't even melt this year... that's huge cooling!) I just moved from Alaska, spent the last 13 years there,, last winter was one (and the one before!) of the colder winters, we had so much ice that they were closing down places due to ice lock and everyone still has "global warming" in the back of their mind so they won't even look at stuff like that.

good discussion. As for me I would rather believe personal testimonies than research results. And there is another very important factor; mainstream says radiation is bad for us. My only problem now is where to get the pendants. Hard to find in a third world where most people are snoring.

Thank you all.

I got my pendant (as did a few others on this forum) from http://uraniumjewelry.com/, there are a few other places out there you can look for as well of course; I would look in the 5,000cpm+ range or triple digit uSv measurements (if possible)

Atlas

10th September 2013, 13:34

was the context measurements in μSv?

I have no idea, here is the data:
http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/f1-rt/html-e/f1-mp-201309-sel-e.html

onawah

10th September 2013, 16:50

Thanks Buares, for opening your mind to possibilities you had not considered before.
That's one important thing that happens on Avalon, and is what it is all about!
Please consider also that homeopathy and hormesis, like many alternative methodologies, are so effective and yet so inexpensive, that they both threaten the monopoly of mainstream medicine, and also do not have the funds that Big Pharma has to pay for the studies that would allow their benefits to be "clearly established prior to their commercialization."
But there is usually proof that they work, if you look for it.
Fortunately, enough people are paying attention to the side effects, the exorbitant prices and other red flags associated with pharmaceuticals, and going to alternative practitioners and remedies instead.
The people I know who are obviously intelligent and most healthy are the ones who avoid mainstream medicine.
Traditional Chinese Medicine is still ahead of modern Western medicine in many ways, even in surgery, and it is ancient.
Modern medicine is great in some ways, but in the ways that it's bad, it's really, really terrible.
The worst thing is the ruthless tactics they use in competing with alternative medicine, which Big Pharma would prefer just to eliminate altogether.
When making profits rather than benefiting mankind is their primary motivation, then something is seriously wrong.
Just look at the vaccine industry.

My view is that modern medicine is the best medicine humanity has ever had and I support the doctors when they go on strike.

I also believe that traditional and alternative medicine (with caution) could help everyone.

In other terms, Homeopathy and Hormesis would be a good thing only if their benefits were clearly established prior to their commercialization.

isoutar

12th September 2013, 23:53

Not sure how the 10 Sv/hour got into the picture. No one here ever gets close to that exposure which would be deadly. We work mainly in microSievert/hour or uSv/hour, which is a unit a million times weaker.

Ian Soutar

isoutar

13th September 2013, 06:24

The following documentation should be in a reference library.

Safe Hormesis Zone doses

Jerry Cuttler created the graph that I posted showing optimal exposure to natural ionizing radiation. I found an article from Iran which mentioned an article by Cuttler and Pollycove about a safe high dose. People in Ramsar receive 700 milliSievert in a year! There are No I'll effects!

100 millisievert/year is considered by many hormesis researchers to be ideal for mammals. So 700 is much higher. You can look at the graph to see at a glance what is safe.

As long as we stay under 700 mSv/year total body exposure we are within the natural variation on earth.
* Now this is NOT a dose to aim for! But it is not dangerous.
Beyond this dose there may be a very small but measurable disease increase.

Now Cuttler is a mainstream medical hormesis promoter of low dose radiation for the reduction of infectious disease and to help the body to use its own immune system to eliminate cancers. Pollycove I believe is a medical researcher who works this approach for cancer treatment by immunity improvements using low doses of x-ray radiation hormesis. They turn the machine down in power by a factor a million or more and the patient sits and reads or watches video while being irradiated for several hours. There can be a quiet time too when some could meditate for two hours. There are no side effects at all, no redness of skin ... The therapy was invented by Dr. Sakamoto who cured cancer in Japanese research hospitals for 20 years.

In 2009,Cuttler and Pollycove reported that based upon human data, a single wholebody dose of 150mSv is safe.They also reported that the high background of 700 mSv/year in the city of Ramsar, Iran was also a safe dose limit for continuous chronic exposure(17).

So check out the attachment if it works ... May need android assistance for chrome!

Summary
We should agree on a reasonable safe limit.
100 milliSievert/yr is optimal
700 millisievert/year is Less than optimal but still safe.
This is a safe upper limit for occupational exposure such as uranium mining.

Let's discuss safety and we will gain confidences.

What amazes me is the clarity and simplicity. So I average, due to self therapy with radon baths as mentioned and also with uranium ore pieces, pendants and thorite crystal in my wallet. They all average to a total body exposure of about 200 millisievert/year. Not ideal perhaps but good for pain with no risk in any case.
So there is a possible example.
Looking for feedback ... Does this look like a good safety guide?

On this android version of chrome I do not see how to attach a PDF reference document from Iran. Can someone assist?
Meanwhile I am off to the nearest Linux laptop. It will allow me to send the attachments, a PDF and a .PNG graphic if the ideal dose curve.

Since we are delving back into radiation hormesis of the 1920s let's reestablish a boundary limit. In about 1928 through pressure by various authorities the radiation based healing industries were forced to drastically increase the radioactivity. Otherwise, said the officials "the public was wasting its money!"

In 1930 the product Radithor met the new very high radiation standards and several terrible poisonings brought an end to the radiation hormesis home medicine industry.

As a student of our craft's history this is an easy thing to avoid. These days if we are careful and always measure in a scientific unit and calibrate our sources dangerous errors can be avoided.

Thanks
Ian

Dawn

14th September 2013, 07:24

Thank you Ian.. this is a wonderful overview. So lets look at some concrete examples:

Wearing a uranium necklace during 12 hours of a day, every day, all year to eliminate pain from arthritis:

2uSv/hr x 12 hours x 365 days= 8,760 uSv/hr= 8.76 millisieverts per year in the area where the beads are on the body
100 - 700 is safe even when the ENTIRE body is exposed.
In wearing a uranium glass necklace we have only exposed a small area of the body to this amount. Seems pretty safe, and even the FDA agrees that it is safe

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Wearing a 'hot stone'... say 150 uSv/hr... it is actually pretty hard to get a stone this hot, but lets say you have one you want to wear

150 uSv/hr x 12 hours x 365 days= 657,000 uSv/hr or 657 millisieverts per year in the area where the stone is kept
100- 700 micro Sieverts per year is a safe exposure for the entire body

In this case the safety of such a stone is somewhat questionable if it is worn in the same place 12 hours every day. After all, we receive some background radiation to begin with, and the amount received by the body, where the stone is, could end up being over the maximum safe level. Here the safety looks uncertain. In this case the stone should be worn less than 12 hours or should be shifted from one location on the body to another.... or you might be better off not wearing something so 'hot' very often.

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Most natural uranium ores that I have been able to find and test fall in the middle of these two. The 'hot' stone above is actually a pretty rare find and very expensive when it comes up for sale. This information you have shared is very helpful Ian.

isoutar

14th September 2013, 16:36

I agree such a hot stone is too much in one part of the body 24/7. I do use such a stone (160 uSv/hr) for treating local pain for an hour by holding it against the sore muscle. I have enlarged prostate issues and i am trying it out for that too by sitting on the flat rock for a half hour/day. I carry that same rock in a pager case on my belt. The leather pager case cuts the Geiger reading by a factor of 10 so I get a gentle radiation of 15 uSv/hr just below my spleen.

An advantage exists for the filtered or attenuated powerful rock. The remaining radiation is 100% gamma rays which are very penetrating.

So there is a difference between a 15 uSv/hour pendant and a 160 uSv/hour rock with a leather box around it which puts out 15 uSv/hr . The stone in a box is a gamma emitter.

Another great gamma source is a radium dialed watch. I sometimes wear one on the wrist side facing the body. In this case the spleen will get irradiated many times in a day as the wrist passes close to the lower left rib area of the spleen. Since Marie Currie was my hero as a kid I like radium. The watch is quite similar to my stone-in-a- box. If you take the cover glass off a radium watch it puts out 200 uSv/hour but with the glass filter on it puts out 20 uSv/hr of mainly gamma.

A new concept to play with. Similarly Dawn's new pendants with powerful thorite crystals inside may put out only 3 uSv/hour like beads but coming from the pendant it is pure gamma. More penetrating and useful for hormesis stimulation.

Ian Soutar
Microsec R&D Inc.

Dawn

14th September 2013, 20:40

Ian, I purchased fiery red/orange 1930 Fiesta Ware saucers after reading your use of them for pain. They just arrived and clock in at 16 uSv/hr. I was careful to get the older saucers after reading online that these were made with natural uranium salts, while the later styles use depleted uranium and are 60% less powerful. Perhaps this idea may seem silly, but I hold the belief that the natural stones on our planet contain frequencies which are beneficial to us in ways that man made refined things may not be. Anyway, I am excited to have them and to try them out for pain relief.

Meanwhile, I've been leaving my shoes and socks on after my morning hike for a couple of weeks. This is unusual for me as I normally just go barefoot everywhere. Last night I noticed some severe pain on my R big toe and on close examination it looks like the socks and shoes may have encouraged fungus there. This really hurts and I was having trouble falling asleep last night due to the 'ouchies'. I got out of bed and taped a thorite crystal on the area and had immediate pain relief within a minute. I slept all night with the soothing stone taped onto my toe and awoke with no pain there at all. It is nice when a home remedy works so well!

isoutar

14th September 2013, 21:30

Hmmm strange reading for the saucer. I have 3 of them and they measure 110 59 and 52 uSv/hr. Never heard of one that weak.

Ian

Bob

14th September 2013, 21:40

To not repeat myself, this thread I ask Kimberly a few questions.. tnx.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56429-Low-dose-radiation-can-heal-you-and-save-the-honey-bees-and-much-much-more-Radiation-Hormesis&p=729759&viewfull=1#post729759

Dawn

14th September 2013, 21:47

Atlas

15th September 2013, 04:54

Bobd: To not repeat myself, this thread I ask Kimberly a few questions.. tnx.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post729759Bobd, did you read through this entire thread? There was some discussion on this matter and some information given. Would you like me to review all the posts here and try to make a list of where you can find your answers.

I read this thread, so let me sum up the data for you here:

Dawn who used to wear 15-90 uSv/hr earplugs 3-6 hours daily, begins to smell aromas with great acuity by wearing 8,200 cpm (8.2 mR/hr) 'ear rocks' for 10 minutes and her partner feels good with a 9,500 cpm pendant which is a Level I stone (Level II stones range 16,000 to 29,000 cpm and level III stones are 30,000+ cpm).

Sith73 wears a 11,000 cpm rock and never takes it off.

TargeT says that Arsenic is good for you at a daily dose of 175 mcg and that he can handle 500 mSv per minute with no damage.

Witchy1 notices a ramp up in healing with a 1-5 uSv/hr rock layed in 1.5L of tap water for 8 hours.

Ian, who definitely knows what he is talking about as he designs radiation sensors for satellite use, says that Fiesta ware saucer 117 uSv/hr gives pain relief in 5 minutes if held on sore shoulder and that a 160 uSv/hr stone can treat local pain by holding it against the sore muscle for an hour. He adds that 600 uSv/hr thorite crystals handled for 15 minutes, the tips of his fingers would feel dry and sensitive. Ian also says that 1 Sv/year is totally safe for animals and that there would be 30% fewer cancers with 1 Gy/year.

isoutar

15th September 2013, 05:32

Recommend you recalibrate it. Every two years ideally. They break down slowly and need recalibration. There is a gas in the tube that breaks down in time.

isoutar

15th September 2013, 17:25

If you send me an email with your address Dawn I will send you a calibrated thorite crystal
Attached to a business card marked with the correct uSv/hour reading in contact, at 10 cm and 20 cm. It was calibrated using a Geiger calibrated a year ago at the university of Alberta. With this you can find a constant to multiply your readings by. The Thorite will stay calibrated perfectly for millions of years.

isoutar

16th September 2013, 16:59

Wow ... Newest Research Summary from 2013 includes best collection of historical and modern Radiation Hormesis research. It even includes hormesis effects from cell phones!

http://www.academia.edu/3451173/The_Challenging_Issue_of_Low_Dose_Radiation_Hormesis_and_Adaptive_Response_Findings_From_Earth_to_Sp ace

isoutar

16th September 2013, 21:28

It is on its way. No charge, it is a reward for doing research ... I figured it was most important to get your measurements standardized for what you are doing.

Ian

If you send me an email with your address Dawn I will send you a calibrated thorite crystal
Attached to a business card marked with the correct uSv/hour reading in contact, at 10 cm and 20 cm. It was calibrated using a Geiger calibrated a year ago at the university of Alberta. With this you can find a constant to multiply your readings by. The Thorite will stay calibrated perfectly for millions of years.

TargeT

19th September 2013, 13:33

T.D. Luckey speaks about Hormesis

"Ionizing radiation is essential" optimal exposure is around 50x(and higher) than ambiant doses

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Lecture presented by T.D. Luckey, Ph.D. at the 18th Annual Meeting of the Doctors for Disaster Preparedness held in San Francisco, California; June 2000.

Taken from one of the Fukushima fear threads
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62507-Japan-nuclear-agency-upgrades-Fukushima-alert-level&p=732269&viewfull=1#post732269)

Shannow

19th September 2013, 22:17

Taken from one of the Fukushima fear threads
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62507-Japan-nuclear-agency-upgrades-Fukushima-alert-level&p=732269&viewfull=1#post732269)

Thought that you'd find it interesting...;)

Dawn

20th September 2013, 05:39

TargeT :
Taken from one of the Fukushima fear threads... Thought that you'd find it interesting... http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53597-Hormesis-Healing-Yourself-with-Low-Dose-Radiation&p=732338&viewfull=1#post732338

TargeT, thank you for this link! I just watched Dr. Luckey speak about radiation hormesis using the link you provided. I am deeply grateful to you. His data and charts have been posted here before, mostly by Ian. However, listening to him speak, and put up the same charts we have been looking at, is very enlightening. I recommend his talk to everyone who is interested in this topic:

isoutar

23rd September 2013, 17:17

T Don Luckey is the grand old man of Hormesis. He is about 94 in a nursing home. Up to last year he was travelling and lecturing but a stroke took him out. He wrote his most significant paper on Fukushima last year. I cannot write to him anymore except through his daughter. Here is his own biography that he wrote just before his stroke early this year.

Biography of T. Don Luckey:

T. D. Luckey, Ph.D., Emeritus Professor of the University of
Missouri and Honorary Professor of the Free University of Herborn, Germany,
was born in Casper, Wyoming, USA, in May 1919. He has a B.S. in Chemistry
from Colorado State University and both M.S. and Ph.D. degrees in
Biochemistry/ Nutrition from the University of Wisconsin.
In 1984, he was
knighted, Ritter von Greifenstein, for two decades of world leadership in
intestinal microecology. In 2003, he was awarded the status of Samurai for
giving Japan the concept of radiation hormesis.

Dr. Luckey's research activated four areas of science: 1) 1946,
Antibiotics for animal feeds (J. Biol. Chem. 165:437-441); 2) 1963, Germfree
Life and Gnotobiology, Academic Press; 3) 1980, Hormesis with Ionizing
Radiation, CRC Press; and 4) 2012, Standard for Chronic Exposure to Ionizing
Radiation, American Nuclear Society Symposium, Chicago.

Dr. Luckey currently resides in an assisted living facility due to
his age and health. He is not available to the public.

Sith73

26th September 2013, 20:28

Hey guys I have a friend who has Crohn's disease. I feel compelled to help her, but not sure how she will take what is radiation hormesis all about. People hear radiation and they think your nuts.

I gave Jay with KnightHawk a call today to get his thoughts on the direction to take. Jay is saying Crohns is caused by parasites in the body and gave me some steps, but its going to be expensive. I was thinking a strong water stone for starters, but wanted your feedback on the direction to take to help my friend. I appreciate your thoughts.

isoutar

27th September 2013, 03:10

I would avoid anti-parasitic approaches. In addition modern biology has shown that, many human parasites actually have a symbiotic relationship. For example irritable bowel syndrome is thought to be caused by a lack of a worm. When re-infected with the worm they recovered.

So here is one example of a potentially fatal disease caused by de-worming people.

Fighting parasites in light of modern biology seems archaic.

Someone in the forum was damaged by anti-parasîte treatment I believe.

Ian

Dawn

27th September 2013, 18:00

Sith: I gave Jay with KnightHawk a call today to get his thoughts on the direction to take. Jay is saying Crohns is caused by parasites in the body and gave me some steps, but its going to be expensive.

Isoutar: I would avoid anti-parasitic approaches. In addition modern biology has shown that, many human parasites actually have a symbiotic relationship. For example irritable bowel syndrome is thought to be caused by a lack of a worm. When re-infected with the worm they recovered.

So here is one example of a potentially fatal disease caused by de-worming people.

Fighting parasites in light of modern biology seems archaic.

Someone in the forum was damaged by anti-parasîte treatment I believe.

Ian

I have been avoiding talking about this here on Avalon because I don't like to smear someone's good name. However Sith, you should be aware that I got in serious trouble with my health by following advice from NightHawk on a parasite cleanse they recommended. They advised me to go to their parasitologist and I followed a regime which involved sending fecal and urine samples to the parasitologist. After analysis he recommended I take tinctures of essential oils linked to the full moon cycle. Despite all the work I have done to repair my leaky gut over the past 2 years I fell for 'just one more cleanse'. And... it nearly killed me this time. On the final month I took the recommended dose of essential oils and within 15 minutes my legs swelled to the size of tree trunks and turned purple. I have been trying to heal from this fiasco for nearly 3 months now and I am still ill from it.

I went so far as to contact both the owners of NightHawk and the parasitologist to let them know that their treatments are very dangerous. The parasitologist went to my thread about gut health and emailed me to say he had NO IDEA ABOUT ANY OF THIS! He had NEVER heard about the GAPS program or that 90%+ of our immune system is actually made up of the flora and fauna in our gut who protect us in so many ways. Here is a professional parasitologist who routinely poisons the gut flora and fauna in his patients guts... and he had no idea about any of this? It is shocking really.

If you have not read through my thread on gut health, you are missing some important info for your health as well as info that can help your friend. Here is the post on that thread where I speak about the poisoning I went through due to the recommendations coming from NightHawk and their parasitologist: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43548-The-gut-of-most-disease...-NOT-what-you-think-&p=733395&viewfull=1#post733395