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Tangri

26th December 2012, 07:47

bennycog

26th December 2012, 10:43

heart still thumping?

Anchor

26th December 2012, 11:16

I think you should make a complaint and you should ask to hear the recording of the 911 call - because if you know who it is, you can go after them for making a false call and wasting police time; and unless they were sneaky the police can get the telecom records of who made the call.

Etherios

26th December 2012, 11:18

You should sue them ... but this might bring more attention to your family ... weird times ahead ... especially for us westerns that think the world has democracy and peace.

Czarek

26th December 2012, 12:56

you need to get to the bottom of this situation. Where did the call come from? If you can, get a lawyer to help you navigate through this.

Tesla_WTC_Solution

26th December 2012, 13:32

keep in mind even script kiddies on KINECTs can call 911 to your home right through their XBOX headsets...

:( horrible world these days

apokalypse

26th December 2012, 13:44

You should sue them ... but this might bring more attention to your family ... weird times ahead ... especially for us westerns that think the world has democracy and peace.

at christmas party one guy said in non-communist country everyone is the same, even the queen doesn't pay tax or anything that really bad then they could put her into jail...at that moment i facepalm.

communist/dictatorship countries considered australia is heaven...

Arrowwind

26th December 2012, 15:06

Flash

26th December 2012, 15:34

Once I called the police to my house due to a rampage of idiots outside my door who were also banging on my door and window, screetching tires outside and people yelling for about 10 minutes. The police never came and I wish they had.

I would not sue them unless they came into your house when you told them not to. They have a responsibility to respond when they receive such calls and many of these calls are serious business with people in real trouble. If you think that they are after you for some reason they would not use a 911 incident to get into your house. They would find another way to get you. 911 calls are on tape and they would not want that... yet perhaps someone did do a prank on you? You should try to find out. ...or perhaps it was an error in the address.

You did not say if they forced entry or not. Everything hinges on that.

XXX, Arrowind is pretty much correct in my idea.

Take notes on the time of the first event and the cops badge number. If this happens again, take note again and tell the cops of the other time. If it happens for a third time without cause, take note again but there is a good chance that the cops will get at the initiator for make false calls and using police time for nothing. They will pay them a visit for sure (even anonymous calls are retraceable).

They are obliged in such calls to check to make sure everyone is alright. So yes, they will get in the house and go around without warrant. They much prefer to do this and then get away then wait for a warrant and then have somebody dead in the meantime. Once with a warrant, they would rampage, so better just let them check. As well, if there is a warrant emitted, you are listed as potential offender with good potential cause, just to have the warrant, which is not the case for a plain visit and check out. No traces except a prank call on you.

My brother and sister in law once received such a visit on a Sunday morning. 911 had received a call from children. So the police asked to visit every single room to make sure the kids were fine. The cops finally told them that when the parents are sleeping and the kids off school and daycare, they receive many such calls from kids playing (hers were 4 and 5). But they have to check because kids in real danger often won't speak much on the phone and won't have a chance to call back 911. Same think with beaten up wifes. In holidays, with booze going around, this happens more than you can think of.

Yes, they will ask you were you are from, and you surely know why. You are very schooled and you have been in Canada for a long time and know the law. However, people from different countries have very different views on beating wife or children and often, when not educated, do not know the law in the country they adopted and keep behaving as if they where at home. Cops know this. I have known a Turkish peasant living in Montreal who told me he was telling all his peasant acquaintances not to beat their wife because here you go in jail for it, even if the wife does not report it (he had been in jail). He did ask me about the law in Canada and I told him never mind the law, if I am ever aware of this, if he ever do it again, I will be the one reporting him. So I would not be offended for the cops doing their job and in fact trying to protect your family XXX.

Do take notes every time though, because if you know who it is, you can send the steam back to them. If you adress them here, it is most probably because they read this forum. Therefore, they will know by now that the soup is getting too hot and may spill.

PRAGMAE

26th December 2012, 17:19

Are you sure that was police ?

Vitalux

26th December 2012, 17:32

TigaHawk

26th December 2012, 21:48

So let see if I understand this correctly
The police receive a 911 complaint relating to domestic violence at your home.
They go there to investigate.
They talk to everyone until they are convinced there is not domestic violence occurring. Then they leave.

What again is the problem? I am confused ? :confused:

I would hope that if a woman was being beat or any other violence was occurring and the police were called.
I certainly would hope that they would respond.

Alot of them are called just because of people yelling tho. I have alot of troubles expressing myself. im ok when im calm or on the typing to explain things, but in person, if im upset i cry, if im angry i also cry, but that's after some yelling because im trying to say what i need to say, but words pelt through my head so fast my mouth only says a few, it makes no sense, i sound like a blabering crying idiot, so i get more angry and upset....

Someone hears the noise! Oh no! It must be a domestic!! Lets call the police! Now the police arrive, demand to come into my home, because im crying they're convinced my partner has done something, lady cop playing good cop, male cop playing bad cop. After they are satisfied nothing is wrong they leave, but not after making it very clear that "we have been marked down as having a domestic call, the next time we get a call like this we are entitled to take you both away in handcuffs".

Just an example of how it can be a problem Vitalux.

Not everyone can express themselves the way they want. Not everyone can make it though rough conversations being calm, or fit the "what you are suposed to be" bill in the aspect of being emotional (especailly in this day and age where if you do not act like an unemotional robot there "is something wrong with you and you should be taking medication")

This is not to say in any way that domestic violence does not happen, im fully aware that it does, im also fully aware the police get called out to alot of real ones but when they get there the victim is so worried abuot their abuser they will lie to them to keep them from trouble (probably why the 2 strike rule was introduced).

Being upset and having a loud argument (which id also like to say, can be a good thing, rather than letting things boil untill it explodes, throwing it all out there can be great, just keep in mind when you do this its going to upset you and the person hearing it, so if you do the basic people math of two people with stuff to say that theres a fairly damn good chance the other isnt going to want to hear..... there is going to be disagreements! which makes things emotional! When things get emotional.... people get upset. when people get upset, they show this in the ways they know how, crying and yelling being a big two!)

^^^^^ trying to point out that i is a normal thing to get upset and yell sometimes, tho the pharma companies would love to convince you otherwise if you pay them for some robot-emotion pills.

I think the OP has left out some details

And it would be totally our buisness to know if there was raised voices or tears why, right. Like a husband or wife telling their partner they had cheated on them, like a son or daughter telling their parents they are gay, Like someone being so angry and upset at themselves because of something they did or failed to do, like someone not being able to make ends meat with $$ and feeling extreamly inadequate because people rely on them for support.... there are many NORMAL things that can easily lead to the noise required to have someone decide to call the police, generaly its because THE NOISE IS AGITATING THEM rather than having ANY CARE OR CONCERN for the people/place that the noise is coming from.

Vitalux

26th December 2012, 22:40

So let see if I understand this correctly
The police receive a 911 complaint relating to domestic violence at your home.
They go there to investigate.
They talk to everyone until they are convinced there is not domestic violence occurring. Then they leave.

What again is the problem? I am confused ? :confused:

I would hope that if a woman was being beat or any other violence was occurring and the police were called.
I certainly would hope that they would respond.

Alot of them are called just because of people yelling tho. I have alot of troubles expressing myself. im ok when im calm or on the typing to explain things, but in person, if im upset i cry, if im angry i also cry, but that's after some yelling because im trying to say what i need to say, but words pelt through my head so fast my mouth only says a few, it makes no sense, i sound like a blabering crying idiot, so i get more angry and upset....

Someone hears the noise! Oh no! It must be a domestic!! Lets call the police! Now the police arrive, demand to come into my home, because im crying they're convinced my partner has done something, lady cop playing good cop, male cop playing bad cop. After they are satisfied nothing is wrong they leave, but not after making it very clear that "we have been marked down as having a domestic call, the next time we get a call like this we are entitled to take you both away in handcuffs".

Just an example of how it can be a problem Vitalux.

In a perfect world that might work, where people are just in a shouting dispute in the home.
But in the real world, there are times when the police are called because someone has been killed, usually violently.

Here is just a short list of examples;

Domestic Violence - Wife Kills Husband - Family - Nairaland (https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDwQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nairaland.com%2F766356%2Fdomestic-violence-wife-kills-husband&ei=1nnbUPnwNeLw2gXzhYCICA&usg=AFQjCNE5b9gWexw5xlzyqDiIC5Llri4RlA&sig2=hmwwvJXDiaE3DpkkzC5jKQ&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.b2U)

Harare man kills wife after accusing her of infidelity (https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CEIQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnehandaradio.com%2F2012%2F11%2F29%2Fharare-man-kills-wife-after-accusing-her-of-infidelity%2F&ei=1nnbUPnwNeLw2gXzhYCICA&usg=AFQjCNE_5MmPxplDBlnDE7KYbMekfT3q_Q&sig2=C4hg5ED-gtZIqNYR_JMhYg&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.b2U)

Cop fatally shoots man who killed wife in domestic shooting - WIS (https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CEcQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wistv.com%2FGlobal%2Fstory.asp%3FS%3D14958461&ei=1nnbUPnwNeLw2gXzhYCICA&usg=AFQjCNFiIiIBYNVvHwbqTwJ-V9XyJk89QA&sig2=Owa6luyJZktpD3RL5d8_lg&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.b2U)

Brooklyn man kills wife then himself leaving behind 8-year-old son ... (https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CFIQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nydailynews.com%2Fnew-york%2Fbrooklyn%2Fman-kills-wife-cops-article-1.1211349&ei=1nnbUPnwNeLw2gXzhYCICA&usg=AFQjCNErRZZysEPpCyK5ym8GngLWjS_lyQ&sig2=XBEfBzbNWOMG88ZfqLOw1w&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.b2U)

Domestic Violence Suspect Out on Bond Accused of Killing Wife .. (https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAAOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wltx.com%2Fnews%2Farticle%2F205582%2F2%2FDomestic-Violence-Suspect-Out-on-Bond-Accused-of-Killing-Wife&ei=d3vbUP2xEafo2gX24oCYDw&usg=AFQjCNE-K9YvO7qXlUTBP1vW6Al2i9Bacw&sig2=D_5f21jb4VE7TVGRcG6I8A&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.b2U)

Man Kills Wife, Burnt Her Naked To Conceal Evidence ... (https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=12&cad=rja&ved=0CDkQFjABOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews2.onlinenigeria.com%2Fnews%2Fcrime%2F229963-man-kills-wife-burnt-her-naked-to-conceal-evidence.html&ei=d3vbUP2xEafo2gX24oCYDw&usg=AFQjCNEZ4-25MLZOh4ECMAbVL1OSAN3L9w&sig2=2BkX2e9b9x7Ub6OxNZy4jw&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.b2U)

When a call comes into 911 where a victim of violence is crying out for help, I have no problem with the police coming to investigate and do their job as peace officers.

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sigma6

27th December 2012, 00:44

Thoughts On Allowing Police To Enter Into Your Home

The issue of domestic violence is one thing, but having a cop show up at your door demanding to check every room in your house, against your will, without a search warrant is a test of your knowledge to see if you know your rights, whether they got a call or not, whether you actually did do something or not is a TOTALLY separate issue. But sure enough I see people mixing these together just like they have been subconsciously trained to do. The idea you should let them in is horse crap, mind control, and a complete lack of understanding what your rights are, and the result of all the television and media you have subconsciously absorbed. Do you think if they knocked on the door of another cop, a lawyer, or court official, they would just allow them to check every room of their house? Even a warrant for your arrest is ultimately a commercial transaction being put into effect. And it just means they are so sure they are going to make money, know for sure they will be able to drag you in to their bank, that they are willing to violate your rights. But without it, there is absolutely no excuse, it is simple trespassing.

Sorry to say, if your being abused and want the police to help, your personal life would have to be so dysfunctional and screwed up that you have no choice, because once the police step into your personal life, if it is not completely dysfunctional and screwed up already, it is guaranteed that it will be. Unless your one of those people that like "men in uniform". I have heard stories where these cops will give the women their personal phone numbers "in case of an emergency" and it goes on and on.

For example, I wonder, if your experience was anything at all, in any aspect or detail, similar to any of the countless propaganda mind control BS tv shows that are cranked out to fill peoples mind with complete misinformation. Honestly, if you think of all the stuff you have absorbed from the "media" Did any of it "teach" you anything that would help you deal with this "in your face" confrontation? I am sure it is a resounding "Of course not" or "NO!". Which is why is such a traumatizing experience. Because you intuitively are made to FEEL you have NO CONTROL. And I don't blame you, as you are one of countless millions, those shows are just an extension of the control system. Once you realize how intimidating and manipulative they can be it is a huge psychological blow for many people. Once you realize that they are essentially threatening you in the same manner that criminals would, your image of them will never be the same.

Domestic violence is a huge, huge, HUGE! money maker for the police system, based on the what I have been told, 2/3 of people going through the system are just being raked over for money. Unfortunately any woman can call up and claim domestic violence, even if there is no physical evidence, and if she is 'willing to play along' then the game is on.

Go to your local church (if you have one) go to family members, or friends, BRING IT OUT IN THE OPEN. Cockroaches and cowards will always flee despite what they may say to you behind closed doors. But to call on these parasites means your going to have your family ripped apart, may suffer job loss, huge financial devastation, it's like going up to a complete stranger and asking them to come over to your house and sleep over and then they start telling you how you should live. And if you don't like it, they may stick a taser in your face and put cuffs on you or threaten and intimidate you endlessly, subtle or not so subtle, its all the same.

When will people accept it? The system is COMMERCIAL, it is DESIGNED to suck tens of thousands of dollars through lawyer fees, court costs, increasing employment for police, prison and court staff. The fines the courts issue is peanuts, the real money is the tens of thousands created from court bonds that they are able to create (with their banking licence) because they have forced your consent (whether you're aware or not) to access the credit of your trust.

It absolutely 100% make no mistake, it is in their best interest to keep this game going, from educating women on how to 'take advantage' of the system. To creating "criminal records" that will be used in the future to milk even more money from you, even more easily, to creating a media campaign through endless endles, endless BS cop and lawyer shows that makes society think you need to call the police or a lawyer to solve your personal family problems in the first place!

Their parasitism is the cause of the poverty and lower standard of living that people have to suffer that creates most of the the problems in the first place. How much do you think your city burns through each and every day paying for their existence? x7? x365? And to think they fine and charge and jail people on top of this? creating bonds off inmates they warehouse in jails. This is a freemason scam that sucks up millions and millions and millions of dollars.. And we are the ones feeding them.

It drives me insane to hear stories like that (and it is going to happen more and more) because the attitude of most people is to do nothing, but watch cop TV shows (thinking they are 'educating' themselves) And finally when they really realize what is happening it's too late, even if you can afford a decent lawyer - you have just been sucked into their matrix, prepare to grind out your miserable existence, have your bank account exhausted and become abused worse then anything you can imagine.

Even if you win, and have never had a criminal record in your life, you will have a 'record' that you were "charged", did you know that that will be used against you for the rest of your life? It's like a record they tried to take you in and suck you dry and didn't quite succeed. Believe me, that is all it is to them, and a marker to know they must try harder the next time. Tell me what do you think, when you hear someone was "charged" for such and such a crime? Even though they were found innocent and never convicted of anything? How are people like that always portrayed on those cheesy a** white hat soap opera cop shows? With suspicion and prejudice, that's how. The process of removing charges that were never convictions is lengthy and tedious and costs more money again... the matrix is real.

Don't ever let the police into your home, into your life, into your conversations. Anymore then you would invite members of a mafia, or a professional con artist into your home. Start learning about what your rights are because this crap is going to be happening more and more until people either get their lives destroyed or they get educated.

That said don't attack me for denying real domestic violence or any politically correct misinterpretation. I am talking about people who abuse, simply because they have been given a gun, a badge, immunity from the law, and membership into various secret societies, they can ONLY become abusive, that is a psychologically documented and proven fact. (Milgram experiments I think)

The issue of domestic violence is real, I don't condone it, but I have also explained what I think is it's major cause, (besides lack of education, which gets back to the poverty issue) But it is precisely why they use this very real situation, not to do anything about fixing the problem, but to milk it for every nickle and dime.

I used to sell divorce paperwork for people who wanted to have a non-contested divorce. It was actually one of the best services I could provide, you wouldn't believe the horror stories I got from people who had hired "divorce lawyers" Same thing, total scam to wipe you out of every nickel and dime you got... Some people would be begging me to start their paperwork. I had to refuse until they could tell me they had fired their lawyer. To their horror, once the lawyer got wind they were trying to can them, they couldn't contact the lawyer for weeks!!! Is that insane!! or what? It is just a function of how much they can get the two parties to become adversaries against each other.

There is a reason we should love our enemies as ourselves. It's good business sense and helps you maintain who you do business with. Settle with your adversary on the way to court. (reset your relationship from adversarial to a working negotiation, at the very least) Agreement between the parties is the law in court (gee, why is that... hmmm, couldn't be a business principle could it?)

Another thing when someone charges another with a charge such as domestic assault, a lot of people are under the mistaken idea that they are the one laying the charge. Guess what, for those still thinking in terms of "television" land... The cops completely take control away from you and lay the charges themselves, if you decide that you may have over reacted and want to resolve the issue personally... They already have a back up strategy in place to attack YOU! They are trained to convince you that you don't know what your doing, all the way up to threatening to arrest you for perjury! And people fall for this BULLSH** EVERY time without exception! They play on your hidden sadistic desire to see someone else suffer. They play on your desire to control another (through them).

Before it was a time (and money) waster for them to show up to domestic assaults between two imperfect people in an imperfect relationship (as everyone who has watched the "TV" version knows) but that has all changed. They have restudied this and figured out how to make huge amounts of money from this never ending source, since they are well aware that most crime is decreasing (with the exception of their propaganda, terror attacks, and re-writing new statutory codes)

Anyhow the idea that cops can now show up to peoples doors and demand to check out your house because of an alleged 911 call, with no evidence, no recording, no warrant is why they invented rights to protect people against this in the first place! Statutory rights in their statutory codes is just another play on words, not the same as your real non-statutory inalienable rights.

You must get out of her (Babylon) their system of control. You have to find a place to stand based on the fact that you are spiritual being inhabiting a physical body which in their system according to their interpretations is a form of movable dirt. You have an estate to represent that movable dirt. Much like titles are created for land. Make it one of your life's goals, one way, some how, no matter how long it takes, no matter how many years, to figure out how to gain control of that title. There is a hidden door, a narrow path. Find it, seek it out.

My goal is to never have to live at the mercy of thugs and parasites, if it the last thing in this world I do. And then teach others how to do the same. But if you are being abused, you go to your siblings, extended family friends, neighbours, EVERYONE, and you do it loudly and with intent and purpose, long before the abuse starts, you don't wait, and the men will back down, or if they are really that stupid or desperate as to want to beat on a woman, they will be so screwed, they will have to flee with their tails between their legs. It always gets down to an issue of personal belief in what you value most.

Links for my own reference:

previous:
Russia Tells US To Back Off
Matrix In A Nutshell (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53626-Russia-Tells-US-To-Back-Off-With-Actionary-Maneuvers&p=606571&viewfull=1#post606571)

following:
David Wynn Miller
What I think of Miller & My Court Experience (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54318-The-answer-to-everything-David-Wynn-Miller&p=618439&viewfull=1#post618439)

sigma6

27th December 2012, 01:05

What To Do When The FBI Comes To Your Door

v_awICqs-Us

Check out how their first line of questioning focuses on property...
and their concern about protecting 'public property'
Now think about the Statement of Birth.
Remember there is a title they (the Crown) are holding of the record of an event (your birth), that was registered and stored for safe keeping, is considered property... and since they are holding it and they are the government, then that must be 'public property' in some sense...

She was pretty smart to not answer their questions but only ask questions
(which avoids any hidden contracts) and lucky they were relatively young and inexperienced, but rest assured if she might have said something that they could have latched onto, things could have been different.

There is a little political message at the end although I am not against it, I am not focusing on that in this message.

bram

27th December 2012, 01:25

Flash

27th December 2012, 01:26

You seem to be overdoing it sigma 6, I did have the police in my house my mistake and nothing ever happened afterward, same for my brother (his kids had called 911 playing with the phone on Sunday morning). Was not given the phone number of the policeman but their car number, I was something like 22 and they 25. It was more flattering than anything else and nothing ever happened from it (although later in life in hindsight, I do regret nothing happened, he was hot, lol).

once the police step into your personal life, if it is not completely dysfunctional and screwed up already, it is guaranteed that it will be. Unless your one of those people that like "men in uniform". I have heard stories where these cops will give the women their personal phone numbers "in case of an emergency" and it goes on and on.

And here, the line of thinking may be good, but the source is not lack of education (some uneducated people are good with good heart and would not hurt a fly), but drugs, which are imported, I will admit, by CIA and Bush family.

Also, I have seen cops saving little girls being beaten up by drug addict moms, cops getting teenager prostitution rings, and they really cared (although I am aware of those higher up protecting those rings or yet what went on in Britain and most probably in America too).

What I am trying to say, do not put everything in the same basket. By doing so, you are not better than those who invade your home and destroy your family because they have the right and you are down there following their thinking.

XXX is already very upset, by making him more upset he may start making real mistakes.

By the way, XXX, if you are not in jail.... please, give us news.

ThePythonicCow

27th December 2012, 01:49

You seem to be overdoing it sigma 6, I did have the police in my house my mistake and nothing ever happened afterward ...
It varies, in my experience.

And it is appropriate to vary one's response, based on one's assessment of the temperament and intention of the police or officials you're dealing with. Sometimes I work with them as I would an honest neighbor, sometimes I grovel, and sometimes I won't offer more than I deem legally necessary.

Selene

27th December 2012, 02:21

2 minutes ago my door knocked as a trying to break in 4 police officers at my door they claimed there is a 911 call for domestic violence and want to search my home. I asked for court order, officer at charge got upset and told me he will arrest me for not letting them in. I was expecting something will happen to give me fear but not this way, I was assuming it would be a financial pressure. [Selene: Bribe? Not in Toronto]

They did questioning my daughter, my wife and ask my origin and religious. I did opt out their request because it was not related their 911 call as a respond they shook my house and not letting me to call my lawyer.

After their storming they left without a sorry claim.

Tangri, I don’t know if this is any comfort, but what you’ve experienced is standard procedure for a domestic violence 911 call: When a man answers the door saying “Problem? What problem? Everything’s fine, go away…” the police must always assume he is the probable source of the violence and is concealing something. This is typical. They will not/cannot leave until they have spoken privately to the women and children in the household and offered them safety and protection. This is their job.

Battered women rarely identify their husbands as their assailants if the husband is hovering over them saying: “It’s fine; she’s just hysterical. A little misunderstanding....”

Sadly, we now know better.

Four officers? I’ll bet two were women, trained domestic violence therapists. They asked your religion and origin to discern what your possible prior beliefs about (religiously) beating wives and children might be and how best to handle this. They were trying to protect your loved ones under Canadian human rights laws.

If I may say so, as a responsible husband and father you might be glad that your wife and children are so well protected at public expense. Chill. If this was a prank call, well. But, be thankful your family is safely cared for.

Regards,

Selene

bram

27th December 2012, 03:25

And it would be totally our buisness to know if there was raised voices or tears why, right. Like a husband or wife telling their partner they had cheated on them, like a son or daughter telling their parents they are gay, Like someone being so angry and upset at themselves because of something they did or failed to do, like someone not being able to make ends meat with $$ and feeling extreamly inadequate because people rely on them for support.... there are many NORMAL things that can easily lead to the noise required to have someone decide to call the police, generaly its because THE NOISE IS AGITATING THEM rather than having ANY CARE OR CONCERN for the people/place that the noise is coming from.

Hi Tigahawk,

Neighbours constantly shouting and screaming at each other is very disturbing and scary for many people, so its not surprising that they call the cops. Shouting and yelling is a form of violence itself, and neighbours have the right to some peace regardless of other people's dramas. Verbal violence is a very negative thing and can do much more damage than we often think.

Shouting and screaming is also often the lead-in to more physical forms of violence as it promotoes heightened anger. Sometimes its better to accept that communication is not happening, take a deep breath and step back from it- if you can (although this is difficult once you let the anger take control). Remember that speaking quietly is much more likely to get people to listen than shouting- unless they are deaf.

Can I recommend that you read Eckhart Tolle's writings on the pain body to understand how these situations arise- usually by the time the shouting starts, both of you have already lost control and are doing everything you can to make each other more angry and violent.

Love, bram

Selene

27th December 2012, 03:25

If I may say so, friends, a 911 call is difficult to prank or fake.

1) When you call from a land line, most modern urban 911 call centers automatically show the originating address of the call on their heads-up display. When you call 911 using a modern cell phone, it displays the geo-coordinates and nearest intersection/address for the call. This can save precious moments when dispatching emergency police/fire/ambulance to the site. But they know exactly where you are calling from. This is a matter of safety.

2) They will ask the caller for their name/address merely to confirm the two are the same. Hah!

3) Dispatchers push a button to alert police/fire/ambulance – and that will automatically link these into the ongoing call, even as they scramble to respond. The dispatcher and others will stay on the line, asking you for further information while the response vehicles are speeding to the site.

4) The dispatchers deal with real emergencies for breakfast. They know what panic/fear sounds like. They know what teenage pranksters do. They’ve been there. They are the best.

Believe me; if you’ve ever had a real emergency you’ll be eternally grateful for the very cool and experienced head of that 911 dispatcher at the other end of the line. They are the best.

Most common false alarm? The 911 button on your speedial gets “pocket dialed”. Ooops. They know that. But they are also trained so that if they get a call and “no sound” is on the other end: Is the caller a heart attack? Stroke? Medical emergency? Fire? Gunshot wound? They will always send a responder to a ‘silent’ call. Always answer and apologize profusely when/if you pocket dial…

Cheers,

Selene

bram

27th December 2012, 04:01

Flash

27th December 2012, 04:20

Battered women rarely identify their husbands as their assailants if the husband is hovering over them saying: “It’s fine; she’s just hysterical. A little misunderstanding....”

Sadly, we now know better.

Four officers? I’ll bet two were women, trained domestic violence therapists. They asked your religion and origin to discern what your possible prior beliefs about (religiously) beating wives and children might be and how best to handle this. They were trying to protect your loved ones under Canadian human rights laws.

Can I just say that you are lucky to have this level of protection. In many places in the world, men can knock their women and children around with complete impunity, and the violence can reach horrific proportions such as the acid attacks common in Pakistan, and the gang rape by police of women or children who complain about domestic violence.

In Saudi Arabia, men are sanctioned under law to slap their wives if they get uppity, or if they spend money without permission etc..... Goes to show that Canada is a civilized country.

For women, Canada is probably the best place in the world, and i have traveled, I do know. Men are not too macho (although still protecting their power through glass ceilings in corporations), laws are protecting us, we can have decent jobs, we do have a say where we live.

And we can report beating and harassment and rape in order to be protected. Unless you are in the very rich milieu with tons of money where you can buy anything, money will have little impact on lawyers, judges, judicial psychiatrist, to help a women and her children (in other words, they are difficult to buy, not for business - there they are easily bought, but for sheer beating and abuse, they are hard to buy).

In other countries, women get easily in real big difficulties whenever they demand anything. Canada is even better than France where women have to be young, sexy and somewhat intelligent to get a decent job and where men are still quite macho.

Canada is a nice country. Where rules and laws are often abused by people coming from elsewhere (they profit from and often screw a socialistic human oriented system using all the ways they have learned in their countries - ways we did not know and for which we have no protection - which is actually braking the system apart). Do not forget that the Sharia law almost got implemented in Ontario and was stopped through international outcry. That would have made all Muslim women in Canada having a different law to be judged upon, and slowly having other customs contrary to ours implemented in our country.

Mulder

27th December 2012, 06:48

I have a policy of NOT answering my door to any stranger who knocks and I usually don't answer my phone. The Police ARE not your friends & I have no more patience for them. Since I'm renting, the landlord can get repair costs from them.

PS. I have had the Police come with a search warrant and they have searched my house, but it was on a patently false complaint - that I was the only person to know some guy's name:

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Dennis Jonathan

27th December 2012, 09:18

ThePythonicCow

27th December 2012, 09:34

Since you are posting this here, does that mean a forum member (or observer) is somehow involved?

If so I would have some private communication with an admin.
It's not clear to which post, or poster, you're responding. It usually works better to "Reply With Quote", so that's clear, and so the poster gets notified that someone is replying to them.

If you're replying to this thread's original post, by Levent tonga, then I and apparently others were under the impression that this Toronto Police raid occurred at Levent tonga's very own residence. If my guesses are right so far in this reply, then it's entirely unclear to me what you would suggest Levent tonga discuss with an admin :).

Billy

27th December 2012, 11:37

Since you are posting this here, does that mean a forum member (or observer) is somehow involved?

If so I would have some private communication with an admin.

Hope you and the family are keeping your chins up about this.

Must have been difficult for them :/

Are you asking this because of this comment

PS to whom concern
I know you , who are the initiators. But I am warning you,your effort will make a rebound effect in some way.
No peace any more

I was also not sure if this was directed to an Avalon member or just a general statement to someone else out there.

peace

Dennis Jonathan

27th December 2012, 16:39

Tangri

27th December 2012, 20:30

Tangri

27th December 2012, 20:39

Since you are posting this here, does that mean a forum member (or observer) is somehow involved?

PS to whom concern
I know you , who are the initiators. But I am warning you,your effort will make a rebound effect in some way.
No peace any more

I was also not sure if this was directed to an Avalon member or just a general statement to someone else out there.

peace

Yes I was responding to the OP's comment to the "initiators" quotes above.

Do not get be offended with PS to whom concern
I know you , who are the initiators. But I am warning you,your effort will make a rebound effect in some way.
As I wrote, it addressed that, what I did suspect at first moment. It is not your concern, do not worry.
Initiators are people or creatures who send these nightmares in my home.
Also you said Since you are posting this here, does that mean a forum member (or observer) is somehow involved? I am a forum member. Is it not enough important to post this event ,for you?

Tangri

27th December 2012, 21:31

Thank you sigma6,

You are the one of the few people caught the point.

I do not have a 24/7 paid lawyer, I had to wait until today to get some responds.

Claiming a report from 911 records is not easy as we witnessed at TV serials.
What they said .It was a concern neighbor call, which he reported, he heard broken windows , glasses and screaming.(his name under protection at the moment)
Now I have to pay to the lawyer for this no help info.
Also I contacted with some of my old associates , they assured me ,this incidence was not related what I said or will say.
I feel like being raped. (by pranks or by system)

Making false common sense is propaganda for old and new world orders.
They show us the death and make us accept the malaria.
Mass are accepting the harassment, bullying in sake of made up common sense.
At home I use my words ,instead of my voice volume.
I use my hugs instead of my threats.

The Generalization is a big mistake which put the victims in silence.

I know in Saudi Arabia men hit their wives then lets put all Arabs in dangerous offender status.

I heard that British Royals like flash meat, lets put all British in Cannibal tribe's list.

I heard that French eat snails and frog legs. let put all francophone frog eater's list

I heard that Jews are in banking business, then all Jews are rich and wealthy.

This is dead end common senses.
I am very sad and tired now.
Sincerely,

sigma6

27th December 2012, 21:50

Do Everything You Can To Learn About Your Rights

And here, the line of thinking may be good, but the source is not lack of education (some uneducated people are good with good heart and would not hurt a fly), but drugs, which are imported, I will admit, by CIA and Bush family.

Funny (scary) how you are so readily flew past this as almost 'normal' - to me that is the kind of 'brainwashing' I am talking about. Crime syndicates running the government is not normal, and an education might make people aware of this. That you acknowledge its existence is a start, but it is clear there is a underlying 'acceptance' of this. Like there is "nothing we can do about it" or "they are raising funds to help save America" or "it just is..." who knows, but it is NOT normal, or acceptable in any way shape or form under any circumstances. It only exists because people are truly ignorant of it existence and the ones who are aware think nothing can be done about it (which is a form of acceptance)

Then lauding how the police are good guys for 'protecting' a girl from crime they have created in the first place... is ludicrous. The "comfy prison planet" scenario. People are becoming conditioned into buying this kind of thinking without seeing the blind spots in their own reasoning.

A friend asked his lawyer friend, to explain what his rights were. So he asked "So what are my rights?" The lawyer replied "I don't know, what rights do you have?"

There are two jurisdictions (statutory and non-statutory) The only person who can exercise your rights is you, and people who have no clue what their rights are, or don't know what they are, or don't want to make the effort to even consider what they are don't have any or won't be able to invoke them when they need to.

When everything is going great that's wonderful, but what stops abusers from abusing the system? Just them being 'good guys'? Where is the system of control for them? Winston told me once "the government is my servant" I thought he was just being cocky. Now I realize he was talking about something that is lost on everyone, just as it was lost on me once. He was talking about a different trust relationship existing.

In the statutory system you are a corporate employee in a corporate system, ie a corporate slave. You are then offered "benefits and privileges" This is clearly for the purpose of control. As they can now be taken away from you at any time. And will never be a substitute for the God given rights you already had in the first place! But decided to forget what they were and take the pablum instead. In a trust based system, such as a republic, the government is your servant and fiduciary trustee. Everything the government does we the people can do. In a statutory system you are a "person" (surety for a title that they are controlling) In a non -statutory system you are a people, with rights that can't be taken away, and they are the servant (that is why they are getting paid with taxes) People have got it completely backwards. Not having knowledge or any desire to exercise your rights is like being in a boat without a sail, you can count on good weather and sunshine when it's out, but if you don't acquire and learn how to use a sail before the weather gets rough, its too late...

I guess I shouldn't despair I have seen people walk into hotels and restaurants and get manhandled by the staff, and if they can't figure out who is the client/customer and who is the service provider in that environment, how on earth are they ever going to figure out what their rights are in the public system. And I have seen that a lot of people actually like being told what to do by their service providers, where to sit, whether they can move a table or a chair, etc. All the while it is you paying their tip and paycheck and providing the means for the existence of the entire restaurant in the first place. It's all subtle because the service provider is very skilled. But it is laughable. And you better believe it that the owner, if he is worth his salt, understands this principle... like his life depends on it. If push came to shove there are two choices: give me my money back and I go to the next restaurant or serve me. I see the same thing in how people get so frustrated with customer service call centers. So yes, there is a real skill required and an understanding, but I couldn't imagine functioning, without that understanding and knowledge and the control that it brings into your life.

I am the manager of my own life. We should all be taking responsibility for our own safety and although we should have every expectation that the police are going to bend over backwards to serve us like we are the true source of their paychecks and standard of living, I believe it is our individual responsibility to make sure they do so because of our knowledge of what our rights are, and educating them if and when necessary. And they do recognize and respect you when it is apparent you are aware. (preferring easier targets) Everyone here who is playing the "politically correct" angle that you're supposed to allow the police in your house are kidding themselves imo, and proof of the extent of "television" thinking. It tells me they are substituting doing a little homework in exchange for having other people run their lives, the nanny state.

A newfie has a hole in his roof, when I ask him why doesn't he fix it, he says "no need to, it's not causing any problem, and when it's raining I say again "well why don't you fix it now?" and he say's "I can't, it's too slippery on the roof"

I would have thought that people would have rejoiced at the idea their is hope and that there is a solution, and there is a way to exercise our power and take back our rights. I didn't think everyone would try to convince themselves that it's perfectly fine to allow the police in your home, and that it is OK because there are few good ones that will help you out once in a while from crimes that they are the underlying source of, that is brilliant. People eating up the fear-security soup... mmmm... yummy... Even on the tv shows they show you how they play good guy/bad guy... come on people.

In my whole life I have never had any problem that I couldn't deal with, without the police. When ever I have gone to them to report anything, I don't recall them ever doing anything about it, EVER. If I could count the biggest problems I have ever had, would be the police or the government. Especially when you start to ask questions (apparently it's against their policy) I know they are lying, manipulating and using us to their advantage and I finally have proof that this is true, and I can see why they do it, and how they get away with it.

And now my conscience tells me that I must take responsibility and do something about it. Even if it is only starting by identifying the problem, asking more questions, studying, researching, seeking others on the same path. I am so glad I don't watch tv. You have no idea.

I hope this resonates with Levent Tonga, if he is thinking long term he will be taking this to heart. This gets down to short term vs long term thinking... and I will say this, if it can happen once, I can assure you it will happen again. I am not waiting till they are at my door. And if and when they arrive I want to be ready.

I was once told the reason for the criminal code isn't for us, but was to protect us from government employees... I am not a government employee. regardless the use of SSN card, or driver's license.

I am sovereign sentient living soul, and live in this body, and the holder of evidence of proof that the Crown is holding this NAME for public purpose. And you are a servant of that same government sworn to protect the public, and I accept your oath of office, Do YOU understand?

(translated to mean that YOU are under jurisdiction to your statutory system, and as the holder with superior claim to the title, that the Crown is holding, and you are sworn to protect, you have to look after MY interests) Which also makes me the creditor source in their statutory system. Have I perfected it? Not yet, but it is becoming clearer and clearer... It is just a matter of time now... and I never care how long it will take...

How do you want to live your life?

Links for my own reference:

previous:
Russia Tells US To Back Off
Matrix In A Nutshell (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53626-Russia-Tells-US-To-Back-Off-With-Actionary-Maneuvers&p=606571&viewfull=1#post606571)

following:
David Wynn Miller
What I think of Miller & My Court Experience (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54318-The-answer-to-everything-David-Wynn-Miller&p=618439&viewfull=1#post618439)

sigma6

27th December 2012, 22:11

after reading alot of the posts above, it is sad to see a lot of people trying to take the focus away with side issues, what I call the "politically correct" crap, it sounds legitimate on the surface, but it's more about distracting the main issue imo... and it does make me wonder sometimes (ok, very often)

Nanoo Nanoo

27th December 2012, 22:44

They are colating information on which groups go to which lists.

It is a hugemovement to identify possible internal groups forming that would oppose govt austerity.

Whats important more than ever is to have a handycam ready and film the event. It completely changes their behaviour when you do.

Most the time they are doing their job. Sometimes they can get a little over zelous in their duties. Giving authority to people can be a mistake when they are not properly mentally acessed.

Im so sorry you had to go through that. Its important to have a good barrier between you and your activities. Wether they be on here or out there. They are watching and colating everything to asess who is a threat to their agenda in particular groups capable of violence.

If you get on forums and state violent or retributive comments you should expect a knock onthe door. It is best to communicate here in a peaceful manner so not to draw attention to your self. I know we can get angry, you have a right to be angry, just be mindful of your audience :-)

I say this to all our alternative community now more than ever we have to watch our pees and ques, just to maintain our own safety.

One thing i was told by a friend who works deep within these agentcies. He said, do not draw attention to your self and you will be left alone.

Bit hard with so much going on but theremare other ways :-)

Levent, dont give in to the fear or hate this can generate. I know its a violation, im so sorry this happened to you. Be calm and think of how to document and make an official complaint. Do not take the law ( not that it really exists anymore ) into your own hands. Because for what e er reason you have come up on their radar.

Naniu :-)

sigma6

27th December 2012, 23:49

Study The Anomalies

One thing I was told by a friend who works deep within these agencies. He said, do not draw attention to your self and you will be left alone.

People are still not getting it...

Tasting more of that 'yummy soupy' stuff again... I am not into protesting, etc, especially now that media refuses to televise it or report on it. But if you are completely ignorant I would 'stay low' for sure. Don't jump into something you don't understand, don't flag yourself until you can stand on your own two feet. (They WILL make an example of you to scare the other sheeple, cause they know some are starting to figure it out)

But once you know your rights that's a whole different ball game. What I am talking about is probably not known outside courts, legal circles, maybe certain freemason levels, and only a few of the too many freedom movements (most are horribly lost, but not all!) So don't be surprised if 99% of people don't 'git it' But we have to start somewhere, and this is just as good as any place. (I have resigned myself to the fact)

David Clarence said to study the anomalies (in court and legal procedures) ie weird things that happen, that don't initially "make sense" - when something unusual happens, either through your efforts or by you stumbling onto something, and it is strange and bizarre, or when they are trying to pretend it didn't happen, or they are trying to cover something up, it is something that must be to your advantage, but they will do anything to keep it from you. And they try to get away from it as fast as possible. It is something that they don't want you to know. I have a handful of stories, one I experienced first hand myself. So I don't blame others for not 'getting it' I had an experience that took me over a year to figure out what happened!

I call them "supernatural events" that happen in the court room, (lol) it is almost like seeing a UFO. Because it is so hard to believe unless you understand what is going on or you have seen it for yourself... and of course it is even harder for others to believe.

1. What makes the police release someone after receiving certified notarized copies in triplicate (no longer think certifying is necessary) of Birth Certificate documents in the case of a man jailed for selling raw milk? That and criminal code definitions of the word "person" and a copy of a letter from the Deputy Registrar General stating that the Registrar General does not register people, but events (didn't say persons, since they do register persons, but NOT people)

2. What causes a judge to be red faced and threatening someone with contempt in one minute and when the guy responds "I don't take orders from servants" The judge goes pale, then as the bailiff is coming to grab the guy, he jumps out of his seat and goes to the side, still shell shocked waving his arms to the bailiff saying "Let him do whatever he wants!" ??

3. I have entered some docs including copies of my B.C. Drivers, and Original SIN application all, accepted for value.
I walked into court and said in a criminal jurisdiction, "Do you understand that I am the trustee, and grantor in fact with special interest in the NAME?" The Judge got up like he was getting away from a vampire and bee-lined to his exit door. No explanation, no signal, almost like it was automatic and he didn't have control of himself. Why? Then he came back again in 5 seconds. Why?

4. Another man after 17 appearances, loses it and says "what the f*** are you f***ers doing with my f***in NAME!!" the long and short of it, his case gets dismissed.

5. Another man deliver his BC to the landlord tenant office before his hearing and signs in as the alleged tenant, during judgement a lawyer walks into the court and tells the arbitrator they have no jurisdiction over this man. To this day he is not the one paying the rental fee anymore. (I have met him at meetings) Why?

6. My friend makes an appt with a JP, the JP immediately started a recording device.
(but will tell you that you can't record...huh?) Then requested that "X"
present a driver's license. "X" presents his driver's license...
JP: "is this your driver's license"
X: "No it is the Province Of Ontario's Driver's License"
JP: "State for the record your address of residency"
X: "Only legal entities can have a residency..."
JP: "Well aren't you "John Doe"?"
X: "No I am not a legal entity"
JP: "So why are you in possession of these documents?"
X: "Because I am the legal holder of them, and they were issued to me by the Province of Ontario... and they were issued because of the BC, ("X" pulls out his BC...)
"This is a certificate of the registration of that Name by the Province of Ontario,
and here is the registration number, the registration date, and the date of issuance, when it was issued to me... I am nothing more then the holder of these documents..."
JP: "Are you not consenting then to your parents forming that contract?"
X: "No I didn't consent to my parents forming that contract"
JP: "Well then who are you?"
X: "I am a child and heir of God"
JP: (speechless...)
JP: "What can I do for you"
(note: then stated he couldn't do anything because he didn't have any jurisdiction! - it's like they know when it suits them)

Now I am not saying these guys, including myself were 100% accurate, but they hit some buttons and made that big "Operating System" call forth some "functions" So yes, it is very much like there is a matrix (or operating system) And one can sometimes get results, but this is hard evidence, that something is going on out there... I think you are getting the picture... and you don't really know what is go on there do you? (nor I completely... yet)

If you are a seeker of truth, there should be something stirring in your soul right now hankering to know the truth of each and every one of these "occurrences"

So I don't buy your buddies advice other then that is how they dog train us...
there is some knowledge out there, and it's worth pursuing, and something tells me y'all don't want to be waiting for the next few years....
I just added the link in the my post above...
I am going to link all the related posts on anything related to this topic from now on to make sure it is as easy to find for myself and others as possible...

ps. I do like the video camera idea, that evidence can be used as a witness in court, sure..

links for my own reference:

previous:
Russia Tells US To Back Off
Matrix In A Nutshell (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53626-Russia-Tells-US-To-Back-Off-With-Actionary-Maneuvers&p=606571&viewfull=1#post606571)

following:
David Wynn Miller
What I think of Miller & My Court Experience (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54318-The-answer-to-everything-David-Wynn-Miller&p=618439&viewfull=1#post618439)

Carmody

28th December 2012, 18:07

Tangri

28th December 2012, 19:28

When you have a camera in hand or in house, yes, use that. In the case of using a camera, try and have one that is Bluetooth or wireless connected in some fashion. so that the video is being sent wirelessly to some remote place, during filming or just slightly after. In this way, nothing can be done to destroy the video evidence, as it is not local to the camera or local to any computer in the house, or in the case of being out in the world, not local to your cell phone. Just a thought...

:o
Dear Carmody,

It is like watching same picture but seeing different things.
Try to feel empathy for me. Some one knocking your door like trying to break up.
You can only ask their identity and their purpose(in some case it is not working)
Because of my professional background , I always expect someone calling me for help, my automatic respond is not to refuse the call.
Remembering the camera , cell phone, remote access video safety were only fantasy at that moment. (It was 3.00 am)

Any way, today I received a phone call from little higher rank of the officers and heard that case closed and an apology for any inconveniences.
I forgive the 4 male gorillas for jumping around and messing my house.
I hope also I will forget someday but not yet, it was a very traumatic experience for everyone around me.

Only one disappointment left with me, some of comments almost blamed me and tried to reasoning my rape case. even one of them tried to blame me cause of disrupting their perfect socialist system. IT WAS VERY BITTER shame and sadness what kind of trauma that person experienced with my kind in her past which push her to attack the victims instead of perpetrators.
Everybody needs Peace

sigma6

28th December 2012, 20:29

I agree the video, camera thing is a general topic only. But there is a lesson to be learned here. Don't wait till they are knocking at your door like what happened to Tonga. If you haven't prepared in advance you won't know what to do. This is all part of how they manipulate people.

I will tell you the next time the police are knocking at your door. Don't answer it, they can't enter, I have seen them knocking on someone's door, and flashing lights, that lit up the whole neighbourhood like a street rock concert, or carnival night, and banging on this guy's door. It reminded me of how the US military was blasting rock music at Noreaga, when he was holed up in that Church in Panama. It shows how sophisticated they are, and what lengths they will go to sucker people into not exercising their rights.

Just think, if they could just make up some 'politically correct' health and safety BS excuse, why didn't they bash this guys door down??? Why the circus, why the psyops? - because they are skirting the laws. They are getting YOU to open the door. Unlike in TV land (where you are being programmed by watching police breaking down everyone doors) in the REAL world - They can't without committing a criminal act that they wouldn't be able to deny. (ie. the damaged door, witnessess)

It's all mind control psyche techniques. To get the programmed 'television watchers' to run to the door to invite them in. They can only knock louder and feed you a bunch of BS from the other side of the door. Evidence of break and enter, and trespassing, is a serious charge if you stick to it, and very hard for them to defend against.

And unfortunately, since they are trained how to lie, cheat, manipulate, and abuse the law when they know they can get away with it. I will have nothing to do with them, and I would never open my door to them. I would call and arrange an interview with witnesses present if they want to talk with me.

As soon as you open the door, they can and will use it to construe an agreement to enter, unless you are really well versed, but I am still blown away by all the bizarre, "let the police into your home" responses" that was a real eye opener. Not what I was expecting from this forum at all. I suggest people take their TVs and throw them out the nearest window of your home. There is some misinformation leeching into your diet somewhere.

This is embarrassing as even mainstream knows this... I don't even get where people are coming up with this "invite them in" stuff. Tonga is speaking from experience, I think other people are just projecting stuff they have seen on TV.
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Flash

28th December 2012, 21:57

Dear Carmody,

It is like watching same picture but seeing different things.
Try to feel empathy for me. Some one knocking your door like trying to break up.
You can only ask their identity and their purpose(in some case it is not working)
Because of my professional background , I always expect someone calling me for help, my automatic respond is not to refuse the call.
Remembering the camera , cell phone, remote access video safety were only fantasy at that moment. (It was 3.00 am)

Any way, today I received a phone call from little higher rank of the officers and heard that case closed and an apology for any inconveniences.
I forgive the 4 male gorillas for jumping around and messing my house.
I hope also I will forget someday but not yet, it was a very traumatic experience for everyone around me.

Only one disappointment left with me, some of comments almost blamed me and tried to reasoning my rape case. even one of them tried to blame me cause of disrupting their perfect socialist system. IT WAS VERY BITTER shame and sadness what kind of trauma that person experienced with my kind in her past which push her to attack the victims instead of perpetrators.
Everybody needs Peace

Since I am directly targeted, I will answer.

First:
You have all my empathy for what you felt. You have all my empathy, you and your family, for the nightmare. Definitely not fun. However, they even called you to apologise, which is more than regular people would get. It does not take away your rape of your living space, but it definitely put away the tendency they may have had to try again.

Second: My socialist country is just that. Quite quiet on average, but I agree, it may change. You have lived elsewhere, most probably when it was a dictatorship, do not tell me that this did not happen frequently then. It was as traumatizing then for your countrymen, may be more because they would be brought God knows where for indefinite periods of time, family not knowing what to do. Although I know it is infinitely much better now.

Third: Comparing the invasion of your apartment, with a rape of your living space, with the invasion of ones own body with rape, (naming rape without specifying makes us make this association) shows how little you understand about physical rape. There is simply no comparison. This amazes me still more because if I am right, you are in the mental health care department professionnally. If you do such a comparison now, how do you react for physical rape, a physical rape victim cannot do otherwise than understand that you do not understand. Multiply your actual feeling by 1000.

Fourth: The comments on the Canadian society and immigrants in my post were not targeting you at all. They were there to explain to the general Avalon public the differences occuring in this same society were we are becoming more and more like those societies that are dictatorship or similar. How fragile is freedom and respect of one owns space, body, life.

Fifth: You know very well that the family will follow on the step of the parents in emotional terms. If you take it so bad, they will too. If you explain to your kids what happen without emotional reactivity, they will get pass it easier. Your choice. If it is too difficult, do get help.

Sixth: adressed to Sigma 6 :

Tonga is speaking from experience, I think other people are just projecting stuff they have seen on TV.

Dead wrong, I most probably have much more experience than Levent Tonga can ever imagine. And maybe even more than yours.

I have seen policeman, in Canada, - yes I precise, in some countries they would be the last ones I want in front of me, in Canada the last ones are pimps and drug lords/mafia lords - policeman being just plain jerks, mostly when they are part of "special teams", and I have seen policeman being very helpful and caring. I have seen some saving lifes and taking the bullets for it. I did live in very tough neighborhoods. I did have my life saved by them, with their big boots and huge body coming in unanounced.

They may be all working for higher up were corruption is rampant and still higher up the ladder, for the ones who are instillating the nightmares of this culture/society, it does not mean that they know them personnally and are all bad at the bottom or even at the middle, and some rare ones at the top. Your discourse has no grey zone, when in life there is in fact lots of grey zones.

In fact, somewhere, as long as your are working and getting a paycheck, you are working for the illuminatis, which is in fact the real drama. It does not mean we are all bad.

You are definitely judging as stupid and "projectors" those that do not entirely agree with you. To tell the truth, I would very much like to know more about our real rights, but the black and white cut off that you present makes it more repulsive than attractive to me. I do not believe that those cops were bad, they did what was thaught to them (which does bring in some problems though), and their personal intention were to save lives.

Was it alright to invade a home: NO
Was is traumatizing to the family: YES
Will it leave marks: MOST PROBABLY
Were the cops, 4 giants, impressive and not empathetics: MOST PROBABLY
Could they have done otherwise: YES, mostly if there is no emergency
Were they ill intentioned on individual basis: NO

Finally, I am sorry for what happened XXX, I am mostly sorry for the trauma you felt on a personal basis. You do have to come back from it for the sake and health of your family and yourself. Get help if needed.

sigma6

30th December 2012, 06:12

Well I don't want to be too hard on you Flash, as I see that you get enough criticisms, but I think you may be over reaching in your interpretations, your opinions always come off like psychic readings to me... I am reminded of your post 134 in the Sandy Hook Newtown massacre in particular... http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53271-The-Sandy-Hook-Newtown-Massacre--the-MAJOR-DISCREPANCIES-LIST&p=601602&viewfull=1#post601602 where you were essentially saying the guy was faking it, reading from a script, aware of the camera, but his 'micromovements' were all completely normal? ... to me that is double speak... (lol)

Since I am directly targeted, I will answer.
but the quote starts as "Dear Carmody" ?? and he said he was also speaking generally in other parts? so you are taking alot on yourself here

However, they even called you to apologise, which is more than regular people would get.
this means absolutely nothing, and could be nothing more then more politically correct bs to cover themselves...

It was as traumatizing then for your countrymen, may be more because they would be brought God knows where for indefinite periods of time, family not knowing what to do. Although I know it is infinitely much better now.
the same pattern again, the "comfy prison cell" argument...

Comparing the invasion of your apartment, with a rape of your living space, with the invasion of ones own body with rape, (naming rape without specifying makes us make this association) shows how little you understand about physical rape. There is simply no comparison. This amazes me still more because if I am right, you are in the mental health care department professionnally. If you do such a comparison now, how do you react for physical rape, a physical rape victim cannot do otherwise than understand that you do not understand.
that's like saying "Hey don't feel so bad, actually your lucky you didn't get raped" WTF???
Having your rights violated is fundamentally the same as being raped in my opinion, one is psychological and the other is both psychological and physical. But both are fundamentally violations of your human dignity. There you go again projecting your interpretations on others, you don't know how traumatized he was, you can't tell someone because you think cops are wonderful and like inviting them into your home, others shouldn't feel bad, because, at least they weren't raped, and therefore they don't know what they are talking about... this make no sense to me whatsoever...

And it doesn't feel like you understand Canada that well either... you have made some very stereotypical comments, all coloured from your personal experience no doubt. I have lived in this corporation my whole life, in at least 15 different cities in Southern Ontario. I used to joke long before I realized I was prescient (or maybe 'intuitive') I used to say things to my friends like "you know Canada isn't a country, I think it's more like a corporation..." many years before I even knew what I was talking about... (lol)

You know very well that the family will follow on the step of the parents in emotional terms. If you take it so bad, they will too. If you explain to your kids what happen without emotional reactivity, they will get pass it easier. Your choice. If it is too difficult, do get help.
By all means educate your kids, cops are parasites, pretend you are looking up to them if you think it will feed their ego then get away from them AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. Otherwise avoid them at all costs. They are only going to become more parasitical and abusive with time. Educate yourself on your rights and learn how to protect yourself from their predatory practices. Start now and make it a lifetime commitment. Your children will thank you someday.

I have seen some saving lifes and taking the bullets for it. I did live in very tough neighborhoods. I did have my life saved by them, with their big boots and huge body coming in unanounced.
I am not saying they don't actually do their jobs sometimes, at a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars per day, you would expect something, yeah? But you are also clearly biased because some policeman with "big boots" and a "huge body coming in unanounced" saved you? I won't even bother going into the Freudian analysis here. A cop taking a bullet for someone?... ahhh highly unlikely, that it totally cheap television. I can see them planting a bullet in someone, shooting people in the back, or shooting mentally compromised people because they feel 'threatened'. But taking a bullet? Come on get real. And even if you saw something like this once, consider it a spontaneous reaction or fluke, that might happen to anyone.

Were they ill intentioned on individual basis: NO
Again how would you know? but we could add another
Did they give a sh**: NO
Do they have to give a sh**: NO, (unless you can make them...)

Tonga will be fine, because in the long haul his eyes have been opened, he no longer has any misconceptions or illusions.

Let's put it this way, if judges and cops tell you not to open your doors to cops, take the hint, what more do you need? an anvil to drop on your head? I like these guys that can make it through the system, and still come out the other end, with their full set of faculties and personal belief systems still intact. In fact I admire people who can do that, it just speaks the truth all the more loudly...

Ex Cop Barry Cooper - Simple Logic
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Flash

30th December 2012, 07:08

Sigma 6, the end of the post of Levent Tonga I am refering to does refer directly to one of my post.

As for the Sandy Hook post, you must have read my post very fast. This is not what I was saying. What I was saying was that he had a prepared speech, reading from a sheet, you can see it at the beginning of the longer video. He was prepared. Probalby his own, may be not. And I was saying he was not faking it, the contrary to what you write. And yes, micro movements are very important to analyse in the non verbal language,which most amateur analysts miss usually. Later on in another post I did wonder if I was wrong. Reread it you will see.

Also, I do not feel that criticized on that forum. If criticism is no more than than what I receive here, I can definitely deal with this.

As for the apology call XXX received, of course it was political and to cover their ass. But still most people never get even that, they are not afraid usually.

I do not understrand your prison comfy comment. Please explain.

that's like saying "Hey don't feel so bad, actually your lucky you didn't get raped" WTF???
Having your rights violated is fundamentally the same as being raped in my opinion, one is psychological and the other is physical

This is not what I said at all, and while adding WTF, you analyse and interpret my writing. You are the one putting words on my writing that I never wrote, no wonder you think I am confused, you are confusing things.

One is psychological rape, the other physical. Now, I will say WTF are you talking about. Sexual rape is physical, psycological, even spiritual. You know, I won't even argue or justify my comment here, you are soooooo far from reality on this topic, it is sadening.

And then you go on with me liking cops etc etc., ranting. Put your anger elsewher Sigma 6. Your black and white constant attitute, you being the white, is still very obvious. There is no more possible reasoning with such an attitude than there is with a jerk cop putting you in jail.

And then you push the insult in telling me I do not understand my own country. You know nothing of me, you do not know if I traveled in Canada or elsewhere, you do not know what I work in or what I studied in. So keep your insults, they do not show well in your favour.

And then you have the arrogance to tell me you won't go in Freudian analysis on me. Good, because I would analyse you back.

XXX will be fine because it opened his eyes to the suffering of those he works with. Yes, this will be helpful, but not for what you are describing.

F u c k I rarely saw so biaised thinking and so much empathy on one side, when it suits your purpose, and so little on the other side, when it does not suit your purpose.

Now, for XXX: I always appreciated you, I always like your threads, I am sorry if what I wrote hurt you, we may discuss whatever you did not like in pm if you wish.