I've been reported upstream from a young sub mariner.....

[norman]

Yikes !....

I ventured out to my local watering hole tonight and had a chat with the guy that owns it.

He used to be in the UK military at a level I'm still uncertain about but may have provided engineering services within the S.A.S......

He informed me, quietly, that a young lad on leave from his post as a nuclear specialist on a nuke sub ( UK), became so spooked by the (2) conversations I'd had with him a few months ago that he 'reported' me.

Exactly what that means, I do not know, but I suspect it'll mean I've had my cyber traffic eyeballed, at least.

At that time, I felt frustrated that he wouldn't spill up what I was asking him. He DID let me know that he "knows" they have the technology to 'contain' nuclear radiation at bomb target locations. Well, either that, or they have the ability to convince youngsters that they can.

The guy who told me, tonight, has a very shrewd mind about all things military. The sub mariner who 'reported' me, is a 'best mate' with the young guy who runs the bar.

The 'boss', who told me, said it sounded like I'd brought up things in the conversation with the sub mariner that effectively told him answers to his own pending questions about what he was becoming aware of in his classified work in a nuclear sub.

"Aliens", was the biggy. I'd suggested to him that the reason there was a mad push on to create a one world order was because they'd been to other planets around other stars and found that was the way the ETs do things and that the fear mentality back home dictated that they "need" to get a single world order established here as soon as possible so as to fix an otherwise fatal weakness in our system here. - Hell. I was leaning over backwards to not appear to be anti what the young lad had decided to do for a living.

Seems, he found my state of awareness alarming and hit his trained 'button'.

I suppose the least I can expect is that my cyber traffic is being eyeballed for a while, at least.

I have a nephew in the Royal Marines and even though I've quizzed him hard once or twice, he never let's on a thing about whether I'm hot or cold. The only one thing he solidly leaked to me was when I checked with him about the Casbolt stuff down on the Devon/Cornwall coast. He assured me that there was NO WAY Casbolt was telling facts because he ( my nephew ) was directly briefed for the cover of that precise area of the coast.

I met him last at the wedding of my ( now killed in Afghanistan ) other nephew in the Marines. I asked him, point blank, if he'd seen any UFOs in Iraq?..... his response was noticeably too blank. I got nothing out of him, other than a suspiciously blanket and unspoken 'no-comment', which didn't sit very comfortably within the otherwise jovial conversation we were having.

I know the military people are SO drilled in the mind set of 'command' and will not share anything outside of it. I must have pushed a button with that young sub mariner.

So, do I forget it or should I get ready for a nasty experience with the "enforcement" crew?

[Carmody]

The typical response, to test you, is to give you a bit of the 'ole Heavy breathing on the phone, so to speak.

You know, the clicking on the phone, or the obvious observation when you are shopping, etc. Just to test your response. To try and scare you into remaining isolated in your connections and thoughts. To induce silence through reflective 'paranoia creation'. A 'scare you silent' tactic.

Think about it. really.

How many people are there in the world?

There's nothing else they can do. There is simply not enough of them, nor will there ever be.

This all depends on if they decide that 'scaring silence and isolation into you' is a thing they NEED to do. For leaving you alone is the best protection, in most cases. As right now, you are a run of the mill nutjob, in the overall public's eyes, so that is good enough.

In my case, the physics I understand and the publishing of such, results in pretty well direct connection.

My goose is a bit too scientifically useful to be fully cooked. As in, every time I tell you something, it tells them something. And that all my connections are mine, and mine alone, and thus I break no rules. I violate no contract. I'm not being 'informed' by anyone.

When I get the direct contact/interference... is when I PUSH the cutting edge of emergent science. It tumbles them into unknowns, regarding the utilization of predictive software... as they don't know the ramifications of the given science. I, on the other hand, DO know exactly what it is and where it is going. And that applies to ANY emergent physics.

[Flash]

Yes Carmody, your situation may be different.

Me, maybe like many others, I am just the mom who have a yappy mouth, with not much impact, and this, most probably at all levels regarding me. Even if, as you said on another thread Carmody, 50% of people do know something. They just have to stop and think about it. One day they may decide to change the situation. For the moment though, I am useless to target, waste of money.

So take care Carmody. Have a good beer again Norman.

So Norman, do not worry too much. You may be hopefully in a similar situation to mine.

[TargeT]

I know the military people are SO drilled in the mind set of 'command' and will not share anything outside of it. I must have pushed a button with that young sub mariner.

So, do I forget it or should I get ready for a nasty experience with the "enforcement" crew?

it's not that we are "drilled" it's that we are functioning with a working knowledge of "operational security" (OPSEC)... basically you don't tell anyone what your up to because who knows what little pieces of information can be put together to compromise the mission.

OPSEC is very important and we are constantly aware of it, it's a "better safe than sorry" type of mentality so you'll find people "clam up" over things that are seemingly insignificant.

I woudln't worry, as long as your not actually doing anything illegal (or at least not openly so) you're pretty safe; the military is pretty well regulated & there isn't generally much room for loose cannons or unsanctioned actions.

and at worst the sanctioned action you would provoke would be for an intelligence guy to probe you for possible HUMINT (Human Intelligence, one of our most used intel gathering sources) usefulness, which is highly doubtful unless you have been naming very specific details on active operations.

[D-Day]

Hi Noman,,

If I were you, I wouldn't be too worried about making it onto one of their little lists.

I suspect most of us here on this forum are already benig "monitored" (to some degree at least) by now anyway.

Some of the stuff that gets discuesed here is pretty harmless, but I'm certain we do occasionally touch on subject matter that is damn close to the actual truth... and that's usually when the paid shills crawl out of their hidey-holes to start disrupting things, injecting their posion, and generally just doing their best to create friction amongst us and throw us off track.

I believe I've watched that exact scenario being played out at least a few times now since becoming a member here.

In any case, I think "they" are mostly concerned about those people who really do know exactly what's going on (because they've been directly involved in it somehow)... those people in particualr are the one's who need to be careful about what they say and who they say it to.

For guys like us though, who are only ever able to speculate about thngs based on whatever dots we've connected through our own research, there's always some degree of doubt/uncertainty reegarding whatever it is we think we might know (or "be onto").... and because "they" realise that small amount of doubt and uncertainty is always present, we are likely not viewed by them as being much of a threat (IMO).

Anyways, like I said, if I were you I wouldn't be too concerned ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

Some of the stuff that gets discuesed here is pretty harmless, but I'm certain we do occasionally touch on subject matter that is damn close to the actual truth... and that's usually when the paid shills crawl out of their hidey-holes to start disrupting things, injecting their poison, and generally just doing their best to create friction amongst us and throw us off track.
One thing I puzzle over is that the shills often don't need to be paid or managed at all. They can be just like you or me. They can be just reacting to something they read, with some thought that went through their head that seemed relevant.

The disruptive thoughts take on a life of their own, finding people who "connect" with them and transmit them onward. If a thought was only able to be propagated by a paid shill, it would make a lousy disrupter, for it would be a thought that didn't seem to "resonate" with anyone who heard it, a thought that did not propagate on its own at all.

How do we separate the ordinary confused post from the deliberately disruptive post? Does it even matter that we attempt to do that, except in the more obvious cases?

Perhaps it is more useful for each of to continue to improve our perceptions, so that the good insights are nurtured by us all, while the disruptive nonsense wilts from neglect, no matter who pays the salary of the poster of the nonsense, if anyone.

[araucaria]

Being a forum member should help norman shed his "anonymous coward" label, finding courage and strength in numbers. His opening post in itself is in a small way something of a game changer.

[kersley]

As Kerry would say.. Hide out in the open

[Ki's]

I'm sorry, but this post strikes me as a bit self-absorbed.

It would probably take those who watch such things about 1 minute to work out which pub, what mate and who's nephew. Perhaps the 'button' you pushed was self preservation.

I'm not defending governmental deceit, lies and secrecy, in fact I abhor it ... but in our quest for truth I think we need to think long and hard before exposing those whom tptb, in all likelihood, would deem expendable.

There is a difference between endangering a guy sharing small bits of information over drinks in a pub or at a wedding and exposing a corporate or military head.
The decision to be a whistle blower has to be a personal one. It carries a great deal of risk, and as we know only too well, that risk can extend to loved ones.

Your risk in this...probably pretty minimal. Theirs? Maybe not so much.

[BrianEn]

Interesting post Norman. I doubt they see most of us as a threat to their plans. He was just a kid fresh on the job maybe you freaked him out a little. We`re just small fries here that would be chips in your neck of the woods. I doubt they`d do anything much. I just wouldn`t worry about. Not too much I hope.

[Strat]

The term "thought criminal" comes to mind.

Keep us updated.