Entering, Not Exiting The Great Dark Age

[Fred Steeves]

The Hindu Yugas were brough up in a recent thread, with the assumption that we are now exiting the dark one, the Kali Yuga. I want to speculate here that it is indeed the opposite, that we are not exiting the Kali Yuga, we are disappearing IN to it...

19774

Now I'm no scholar on this stuff by any stretch of the imagination, but then again what qualifies as a scholar, if the texts have been grossly misinterpreted? It looks to me like the story goes that we start off in the Satya Yuga, the Golden Age, decend down to the depths of the current Kali Yuga, and then begin to rise again out of it on the way back up.

Well you know what? I don't see this a being congruent with how the universe works, the universe goes in cycles, in circles. Not up and down like an elevator. Take this natural assumption, make a circle out of the above picture, and we'll see that we ain't seen NOTHIN yet.(LOL) We're heading right into the s**t, so as Kirk would say: "Red Alert!" On the bright side though, our next stop is not the Dvapara Yuga, but the Satya Yuga. We've been "falling" for a very long time, and are about to hit rock bottom, only to pop back out the "other side"

The other side being the Satya Yuga, the Golden Age, or the Buddhist Realm Of The Gods.

19775

Of course this sounds just groovy, and we would all love to hurry up and get there wouldn't we? The following Buddhist explanation of that realm makes me think twice though:



The Realm of the Gods (Devas) sounds like a nice place to live. And, no question, you can do a lot worse. But even the Realm of the Gods isn't perfect. Those born in the God Realm live long and pleasure-filled lives. They have wealth and power and happiness. So what's the catch?

The catch is that because the Devas have such rich and happy lives they don't recognize the truth of suffering. Their happiness is, in a way, a curse, because they have no motivation to seek liberation from the Wheel. Eventually their happy lives end, and they must face rebirth in another, less happy, realm.


"Eventually their happy lives end, and they must face rebirth in another, less happy, realm".

And down and around we go again... Til we find ourselves right back here again, dreaming of a golden Age, where everybody will get along, and things will be just hunky dory.

So here's my bottom line. Our suffering as the current Kali Yuga deepens and intensifies can actually be seen as a blessing, not the curse it seems to be. This is the wake up call part of the grand cycle. The suffering disturbs our sleep, and forces us to consider things. Or not...

We can use this opportunity to hop off the wheel and move on to other things, grateful for the rich experience, or we can take this baby for another spin around the block. Hell, it doesn't matter either way, it's all good. We've been here countless times before, and we can revisit here countless more times. In the end there is no time, so it's of no matter.

Cheers,
Fred

P.S. Due to the current 12/21/2012 climate, I had better clarify that I'm not speaking of New Age ascension. We all have a death to pay here, there just ain't no getting arond that one.

[Lifebringer]

Time is speeding up, not down so the amount of years during the cycle changes also, does it not if the speed of the planet and rotation increase? Shorter day span until they meet up according to the spiritual awakening of the humans on the planet. Then again, my guide is saying it's an everincreasing rise and depends upon us to rise faster by waking up. There is even a chance of a repeat ice age if when the poles shift, you end up in the far northern regions instead of equatorial ones. Prepare for them all and there will be remnant/wise ones who survive because they did think of the multiple survival possibilities for what is to come. There is the 3 1/2yrs trial that started on 12/21/2012, and this is the test of survival and working on the soul to communicate within and throughout. The vibrations we create now in love, will reverberate through the Universe and we will rise out of the dark times into the good times of progress and peace. WE will and we are will beings, children of the creator.

[Kryztian]

My brain just doesn't do yuga cycles. Periods of 432,000 years and greater are just too big to comprehend! Usually we think in cycles between seconds and years. Once in a while we think about decades, generations, centuries, when we contemplate our species, our history, our intellectual, spiritual, and technological development. Then there is astrotheology, where we can see our religious development in terms of 2,300 year age periods. And recently I tried thinking in times of one Mayan calendar cycle - about 5,200 years - the time our species went from being primarily hunters and gathers to what we are today.

But a yuga cycle? Our species, according to conventional academic history, isn't any where near that old. Or alternatively, that's the rise and fall of Atlantis, Lemuria and many other civilizations many times over.

The next time unit larger than a yuga cycle is a geologic age - something we use to contemplate the evolution of species and the geologic history of our planet.

So, we we contemplate our lives and where we are going, what do yuga cycles tell us?

[we-R-one]

Hi Fred,

Have you seen this video from Santos Bonacci where he talks about the Yuga cycles? I like the fact that he's an astrologist, so I have to believe that he knows what he's talking about.

According to what he shares in the video, we are going up out of the Iron Age into the Bronze Age. It did cross my mind that we may not see the impact of higher consciousness on such a grand scale as we would like in our lifetime. If I remember correctly each age lasts several thousands of years, with the Golden Age being over a million years, which is the longest running age of all the cycles; then the process starts all over again and we head back down the cycle till we hit the Iron Age. In my mind this is why history keeps repeating over and over again. This gives souls a continual playground to return and learn or teach the lessons that need to be taught depending on what their role may be during that lifetime.

Santos also discusses the precession on the equinoxes where our sun and Sirius A are gradually coming closer together which is aiding in the shift of consciousness due to their energy. So as we climb back up the Yuga ladder towards the Golden Age, the two Suns are nearing one another which has an effect on human consciousness. This explains to me, why so many people are beginning to wake up as we have rounded the corner of the Iron Age and are heading upwards. I would have liked him to discuss that a bit more as I felt that was key as to what many of us are experiencing as we "feel" like our consciousness is changing through our experiences. As you know, for me personally, I cannot just explain away what has happened to me in the past 20 years....the kundalini, remembering of a significant past life, huge increase in awareness compared to where I was just a short 4 years ago. I feel like I'm living in a fairy tale at times, it's not my imagination and others are having similar experiences.

The dark ones must know that the gig is just about up. I expect them to make a final push in order to continue lower frequency levels. But as you can see, that's only going to last so long as collective consciousness takes place and the two Suns continue their cycle. Last time I checked no one has control of the Sun so they cannot stop it's orbiting cycle. It's also worthy to note that the Sun, our sun, vibrates at 528Hz, the frequency of love......and I'm guessing, though I haven't researched yet, that Sirius A may very well be of the same frequency, there-by explaining the effect they have on human consciousness the closer they get to one another.

This is what I've been able to piece together from all that I have read, watched and experienced...if someone has different pieces of the puzzle, please share as the point is to get as close to the truth as possible.

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[Fred Steeves]

My brain just doesn't do yuga cycles. Periods of 432,000 years and greater are just too big to comprehend! Usually we think in cycles between seconds and years. Once in a while we think about decades, generations, centuries, when we contemplate our species, our history, our intellectual, spiritual, and technological development. Then there is astrotheology, where we can see our religious development in terms of 2,300 year age periods. And recently I tried thinking in times of one Mayan calendar cycle - about 5,200 years

Hi Kryztian, just over the course of the last couple of years, I've gone from thinking in terms of thousands of years we've been doing "this", to the billions, or even trillions. Who knows? Once we start thinking of time as a dimension, and not a hard core fact of physics, all bets are off. For instance, I'm not at all adverse to the very real possibility that a "Star Wars" type story actually happened in this neck of the woods.

How long ago would that have been? Again who knows, but if true, it blows away the mindset that Mankind is currently on the cutting edge of things never before imagined. Bye bye, out the window...(LOL)

Cheers,
Fred

[Fred Steeves]

Hi there we-R-one, yes I've watched that video. Actually I saw it on Arrowwind's thread a couple weeks ago, the same one I mentioned briefly in beginning the opening post here.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52700-2012-Crossing-Over-the-best-movie-on-2012-yet-

I brought this idea up on that thread, but later grew concerned doing so was leading it off topic. I wanted to leave that thread be, think on it for a while, and then eventually post my own thoughts on Yugas and such. So here it is. http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

I have absolutely nothing to base my speculations on except personal observation, a good bit of digging around, and my spidey senses.

Cheers,
Fred

[RMorgan]

Hey Fred,

What if all cosmic/astrological/religious ages don´t matter at all?

What if we´re the ones who have the responsibility of constructing our future without being enslaved by any age pre-determined by planetary positions/religious dogmas/guru assertions/whatever?

Is it so hard for us to make the necessary changes to shape our future, that we keep hoping for external events to forcibly impose such changes one way or another?

Who knows...Maybe the human race is too weak minded as a collective right now to make a stand, so we keep dreaming and hoping that some external force will change things for us somehow...

Extra terrestrials, ascension, new ages, cosmic rays, dimensional shift, return of Jesus, you name it...I guess it´s much easier to keep dreaming about such things changing the world for us than doing it ourselves.

In my opinion, independently if we go into a "dark or golden age", we´re the ones who will be creating it; and will be fully responsible for it. It´s up to us, I believe.

I think most people underestimate the human race. We´re totally capable of creating our own bright or dark future. It´s just a matter of each one of us getting real about what self-responsibility really means.

Just my two cents anyway, my dear Floridian brother. :)

I wish you and your family an extremely nice 2013!

Raf.

[Arrowwind]

The Hindu Yugas were brough up in a recent thread, with the assumption that we are now exiting the dark one, the Kali Yuga. I want to speculate here that it is indeed the opposite, that we are not exiting the Kali Yuga, we are disappearing IN to it...


Now I'm no scholar on this stuff by any stretch of the imagination, but then again what qualifies as a scholar, if the texts have been grossly misinterpreted? It looks to me like the story goes that we start off in the Satya Yuga, the Golden Age, decend down to the depths of the current Kali Yuga, and then begin to rise again out of it on the way back up.

Well you know what? I don't see this a being congruent with how the universe works, the universe goes in cycles, in circles. Not up and down like an elevator. Take this natural assumption, make a circle out of the above picture, and we'll see that we ain't seen NOTHIN yet.(LOL) We're heading right into the s**t, so as Kirk would say: "Red Alert!" On the bright side though, our next stop is not the Dvapara Yuga, but the Satya Yuga. We've been "falling" for a very long time, and are about to hit rock bottom, only to pop back out the "other side"

So here's my bottom line. Our suffering as the current Kali Yuga deepens and intensifies can actually be seen as a blessing, not the curse it seems to be. This is the wake up call part of the grand cycle. The suffering disturbs our sleep, and forces us to consider things. Or not...



Fred, I think you need to go back and watch the Bonacci film again. What he describes is exacly a cycle with the kali yuga being the absolute furthest away from potential for enlightement, from the sun stars (our sun and siriusA) revolving around each other. We are climbing out of the farest away position and in fact have been for some time. Now we are in the Dawarpa yuga as of 21012, Dec 21. This will bring more light potential to mother earth and humanity. We will not be in Satya yuga for many many ages yet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWjz9pB70vc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWjz9pB70vc)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBQO93ARfhM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBQO93ARfhM)

[Fred Steeves]

In my opinion, independently if we go into a "dark or golden age", we´re the ones who will be creating it; and will be fully responsible for it. It´s up to us, I believe.


Well lookie there Raf, I think we agree! (LOL) Personal responsibility all the way. The only aspect I think we may differ, is that this place has been set up like a playing field of sorts. We keep playing and playing and playing, until one "day" we just stop and say: "You know what? I've finally got it, game over".

Also, I think the game continues for those not done playing yet.

Cheers Mate,
Fred

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxx

[Wind]

I think that humanity has been in the dark for way too long and we have a bright future ahead of us, but it might require a lot of work. If we cannot adapt to these changes then we will be wiped out. We still do have a chance, but if the hundredth monkey effect doesn't start to take place soon then we might create our own Hell on earth. I hope that we will instead create our own Heaven on Earth.

The future is not set in stone, but it will probably get worse before it gets better.

[Fred Steeves]

Fred, I think you need to go back and watch the Bonacci film again. What he describes is exacly a cycle with the kali yuga being the absolute furthest away from potential for enlightement, from the sun stars (our sun and siriusA) revolving around each other. We are climbing out of the farest away position and in fact have been for some time. Now we are in the Dawarpa yuga as of 21012, Dec 21. This will bring more light potential to mother earth and humanity. We will not be in Satya yuga for many many ages yet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWjz9pB70vc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWjz9pB70vc)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBQO93ARfhM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBQO93ARfhM)

Hi Arrowwind.

See, videos, and books for that fact, just don't convince me of things any more. I watch them, and take careful note of their content. But then I hold them out to compare with what I personally observe in this realm we find ourselves, to see if it jibes. It may sound arrogant, but I trust my own self more than I trust what most people say in videos, including Bonacci.

Cheers,
Fred

[Arrowwind]

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Hi Arrowwind.

See, videos, and books for that fact, just don't convince me of things any more. I watch them, and take careful note of their content. But then I hold them out to compare with what I personally observe in this realm we find ourselves, to see if it jibes. It may sound arrogant, but I trust my own self more than I trust what most people say in videos, including Bonacci.

Cheers,
Fred

Interesting. So you think you have a grasp on the yuga cycles and associateted astrology enough to determine that we are not moving into the bronze age and are still stuck in the middle of the kali yuga? or are you basing your determination soley on your observations of the world?

I for one tend to acquiesce to the old masters on such topics and take their observations into significant consideration. I have found Bonacci more revelatory than the Mayan Elders, Drunvalo and most of the dooms dayers of scientific or religious orientation. Ultimately, unlike some on this forum, I do perceive more consciousness, more concern for life, for the mother earth and all of her children than in previous times. I can see the difference even from the 50's to what is happening now. There is a great unfoldment occuring in all strata of society, all religions. I see the dark falling away, not coming upon us stronger and of course such upheavel will create a lot o chaos before all is done.

[Flash]

In any circumstance, to me, we are getting out of the dark ages, which we have been in for a long time.

And getting into something much more balanced and wonderful.

This is what I am planning to implement, in the measures that I am capable of.

What about you Fred?

[delfine]

The Hindu Yugas were brough up in a recent thread, with the assumption that we are now exiting the dark one, the Kali Yuga. I want to speculate here that it is indeed the opposite, that we are not exiting the Kali Yuga, we are disappearing IN to it...

19774

Now I'm no scholar on this stuff by any stretch of the imagination, but then again what qualifies as a scholar, if the texts have been grossly misinterpreted? It looks to me like the story goes that we start off in the Satya Yuga, the Golden Age, decend down to the depths of the current Kali Yuga, and then begin to rise again out of it on the way back up.

Well you know what? I don't see this a being congruent with how the universe works, the universe goes in cycles, in circles. Not up and down like an elevator. Take this natural assumption, make a circle out of the above picture, and we'll see that we ain't seen NOTHIN yet.(LOL) We're heading right into the s**t, so as Kirk would say: "Red Alert!" On the bright side though, our next stop is not the Dvapara Yuga, but the Satya Yuga. We've been "falling" for a very long time, and are about to hit rock bottom, only to pop back out the "other side"

The other side being the Satya Yuga, the Golden Age, or the Buddhist Realm Of The Gods.

19775

Of course this sounds just groovy, and we would all love to hurry up and get there wouldn't we? The following Buddhist explanation of that realm makes me think twice though:



The Realm of the Gods (Devas) sounds like a nice place to live. And, no question, you can do a lot worse. But even the Realm of the Gods isn't perfect. Those born in the God Realm live long and pleasure-filled lives. They have wealth and power and happiness. So what's the catch?

The catch is that because the Devas have such rich and happy lives they don't recognize the truth of suffering. Their happiness is, in a way, a curse, because they have no motivation to seek liberation from the Wheel. Eventually their happy lives end, and they must face rebirth in another, less happy, realm.


"Eventually their happy lives end, and they must face rebirth in another, less happy, realm".

And down and around we go again... Til we find ourselves right back here again, dreaming of a golden Age, where everybody will get along, and things will be just hunky dory.

So here's my bottom line. Our suffering as the current Kali Yuga deepens and intensifies can actually be seen as a blessing, not the curse it seems to be. This is the wake up call part of the grand cycle. The suffering disturbs our sleep, and forces us to consider things. Or not...

We can use this opportunity to hop off the wheel and move on to other things, grateful for the rich experience, or we can take this baby for another spin around the block. Hell, it doesn't matter either way, it's all good. We've been here countless times before, and we can revisit here countless more times. In the end there is no time, so it's of no matter.

Cheers,
Fred

P.S. Due to the current 12/21/2012 climate, I had better clarify that I'm not speaking of New Age ascension. We all have a death to pay here, there just ain't no getting arond that one.

You are quite right about this. That´s why they say that Kali-yuga is the best yuga to be born in. Because pain tends to wake people up, whereas pleasure
lulls them asleep.

[Fred Steeves]

Interesting. So you think you have a grasp on the yuga cycles and associateted astrology enough to determine that we are not moving into the bronze age and are still stuck in the middle of the kali yuga? or are you basing your determination soley on your observations of the world?
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Actually Arrowwind, to be very blunt I don't know s**t. (LOL) Thing is, I'm not so certain anyone else does either, atleast beyond a certain level. So far though, two things have served me well. Learning to trust my instincts, and using the Hermetic axiom "as above so below, as below so above", as a blind man's cane. As below I see seasons, cycles, circles, and orbits, not things going up and down like an elevator. Therefore until proven otherwise, I must conclude that as above follows the same rule.

Cheers,
Fred

[Fred Steeves]

Fred space may be like a fabric with waves that go up and down.


Hi sleepy, you reminded me of a line from the Pink Floyd song "Us And Them".

Up and down, but in the end it's all round and round. http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

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[Fred Steeves]

In any circumstance, to me, we are getting out of the dark ages, which we have been in for a long time.

And getting into something much more balanced and wonderful.

This is what I am planning to implement, in the measures that I am capable of.

What about you Fred?

Hi Flash, I'm going to implement every bit of balance I've learned over the eons, a blend of both the light and the dark. I'm also seriously thinking that this game never changes, only we do.

Cheers,
Fred

[TargeT]

Interesting. So you think you have a grasp on the yuga cycles and associateted astrology enough to determine that we are not moving into the bronze age and are still stuck in the middle of the kali yuga? or are you basing your determination soley on your observations of the world?
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Actually Arrowwind, to be very blunt I don't know s**t. (LOL) Thing is, I'm not so certain anyone else does either, atleast beyond a certain level. So far though, two things have served me well. Learning to trust my instincts, and using the Hermetic axiom "as above so below, as below so above", as a blind man's cane. As below I see seasons, cycles, circles, and orbits, not things going up and down like an elevator. Therefore until proven otherwise, I must conclude that as above follows the same rule.

Cheers,
Fred


I think the hermetic axiom applies here, it is corroborated with a few other facts also; specifically the "new" (really very old) science of the Electric Universe, the seemingly "fact" that we are electric bodies of energy and many many other things support the astrology based claims that we are just now exiting the furthest point from a major electrical influence (SirusA) and as we head to it things will become more "excited". I cannot see this being described in anyway but as heading to a "brighter" (both physically and metaphysically) age.

you see there is a lot of randomly corroborating (at least in my mind, clearly they are not random if it is all right) concepts supporting the claim that we are exiting the dark age and nothing at all supporting the opposite.

there for I'll rely on occam's razor, which (with the above in mind) points to exiting, not entering something that could be labeled a "dark age".


This all of course assumes that the astrological postings and movements reported above are correct, that is the one thing I have not verified.


Even this statement you made:

Hi Flash, I'm going to implement every bit of balance I've learned over the eons, a blend of both the light and the dark. I'm also seriously thinking that this game never changes, only we do.

Cheers,
Fred

is supported by the electric universe theory & the influence of these major electrical focal points (AKA Stars/Suns); they would change us and the things around us, not necessarily "the game".

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxx

[Arrowwind]

You are quite right about this. That´s why they say that Kali-yuga is the best yuga to be born in. Because pain tends to wake people up, whereas pleasure
lulls them asleep.

If pleasure lulls you to sleep then you are truly sleeping. Experiences of love, extenion of love, sharing love and consciousness is extremely pleasurable to me. Who can sleep when all this is going on? Seems to me that extended pain tends to shut consciousness down and spin people into negative entrophy in many cases. Brilliant are those who can spin pain into the pleasure of consciousness and awakening heart... and people do do it.

Ultimately I think none of us really know ****. How can we know exactly what we are unfolding in perpetual creativity until it is done? We be and project the best that we can be in the ever present now.

That being said I dont see the elevator that you see. I see cycles of living and experience... not going up or down but in an evolutionay process that works in rythms, patterns and layers of revelation, expansion and contraction.

[Fred Steeves]

Even this statement you made:

Hi Flash, I'm going to implement every bit of balance I've learned over the eons, a blend of both the light and the dark. I'm also seriously thinking that this game never changes, only we do.

Cheers,
Fred

is supported by the electric universe theory & the influence of these major electrical focal points (AKA Stars/Suns); they would change us and the things around us, not necessarily "the game".

Me thinks we're very close on that one TargeT, with one little nagging detail. Do they actually "change" us, or fling open the window of opportunity for us to wake up and change oueselves? I lean heavily towards the latter.

[TargeT]

Even this statement you made:

Hi Flash, I'm going to implement every bit of balance I've learned over the eons, a blend of both the light and the dark. I'm also seriously thinking that this game never changes, only we do.

Cheers,
Fred

is supported by the electric universe theory & the influence of these major electrical focal points (AKA Stars/Suns); they would change us and the things around us, not necessarily "the game".

Me thinks we're very close on that one TargeT, with one little nagging detail. Do they actually "change" us, or fling open the window of opportunity for us to wake up and change oueselves? I lean heavily towards the latter.


well, being presented new opportunities is a change, that is what I meant, you could very well have an expanded ability set and decide to do exactly what you have always done (I see this quite often).

I agree, it will not necessarily change anything, as we are still responsible for choosing what to do (change or not).

[ThePythonicCow]

Me thinks we're very close on that one TargeT, with one little nagging detail. Do they actually "change" us, or fling open the window of opportunity for us to wake up and change ourselves? I lean heavily towards the latter.
Who's dancing -- my dance partner or myself? Perhaps the dance (the "change") takes on a life of its own, expressed through the dancers, the musicians, the audience, ...

[sirdipswitch]

In order to achieve the top of the mountain, I had to throw out evrything that I thought I had learned, over the previous half century. When I arrived, I discovered that "none" of it mattered, anyway. :wizard:

[greybeard]

In order to achieve the top of the mountain, I had to throw out evrything that I thought I had learned, over the previous half century. When I arrived, I discovered that "none" of it mattered, anyway. :wizard:

Yes I get that--- Truth is you never existed. (as an individual me)
Thanks
Basically it does not matter what Yuga etc--there will always be people who make it a priority to find their true self to find there is no self--it never existed-- however awareness always existed.
Self needs time and space to exist--- Quantum is now proving that time and space are an illusion.
The you is also an illusion-- you are none of the things you thought you are.
What you are is beyond description, eternal, non location, limitless, infinite.
No wonder mystics got burned at the stake or committed to a mental hospital.
If I heard some one saying this just a few years back I would have run a mile.
All the evidence seems to point us being the body and maybe there is life after death-- that was my viewpoint.
So there you go that's the current understanding, not saying im right.
Chris

[Fred Steeves]

Just so ya'll know, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything here. This is basically putting forward a thesis, and seeing if it can stand the light of day. If it can be plainly pointed out that there's a huge Titanic type gash in the hull of this ship I'm sailing, I will gladly abandon it. http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

It seems it may still be unclear my elevator vs. cycle analogy. The picture I posted showing the Yugas I think shows it very plainly.

19782

What I'm calling elevator, is the going back and forth, from one extreme to the other. Apparently we sink into the Kali Yuga, and then turn around and start going back up again? Back towards the Satya Yuga?

This to me would be like saying the end of our four season cycle is complete on December 21, then starts heading the other way, back towards November and so on. Now it can of course be argued that the sun does this as it transverses the sky from North to South, and then back again, but we know that's an illusion, the sun does not literally go back and forth in it's orbit.

The order of the universe is basically circular type cycles, so why would it not be that way here?

[TargeT]

Just so ya'll know, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything here. This is basically putting forward a thesis, and seeing if it can stand the light of day. If it can be plainly pointed out that there's a huge Titanic type gash in the hull of this ship I'm sailing, I will gladly abandon it. http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

It seems it may still be unclear my elevator vs. cycle analogy. The picture I posted showing the Yugas I think shows it very plainly.

19782

What I'm calling elevator, is the going back and forth, from one extreme to the other. Apparently we sink into the Kali Yuga, and then turn around and start going back up again? Back towards the Satya Yuga?

This to me would be like saying the end of our four season cycle is complete on December 21, then starts heading the other way, back towards November and so on. Now it can of course be argued that the sun does this as it transverses the sky from North to South, and then back again, but we know that's an illusion, the sun does not literally go back and forth in it's orbit.

The order of the universe is basically circular type cycles, so why would it not be that way here?

I see that as a diagram of a circle, except your looking at the edge of the circle so it seems to be a line from the perspective of that graphic.

something going in a circle when viewed fromt he side would appear to just be going back and forth (or up and down) esepecially if its a very long elyptical orbit.

[PurpleLama]

In the grand scheme of things, doesn't matter much if we are entering or exiting the Kali Yuga, for it is just another day....

http://users.ez2.net/nick29/theosophy/yuga.gif

[Fred Steeves]

I see that as a diagram of a circle, except your looking at the edge of the circle so it seems to be a line from the perspective of that graphic.

something going in a circle when viewed fromt he side would appear to just be going back and forth (or up and down) esepecially if its a very long elyptical orbit.

OK, then the way to clarify that would be to actually spell out the order of the cycle.

Is it:

Satya-Treta-Dvapara-Kali, and then back to Dvapara on the way back up?

Or is it:

Satya-Treta-Dvapara-Kali, and then right on around to Satya?

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I realize this likely comes across as getting lost in the weeds, or up my own arse, but don't forget it's the point of the whole thread in the first place. (LOL)

[Shamz]

Hi Fred,

I have read about these Yugas ( or Yugs in Hindi/Sanskrit) in the book of Swami Sri Yukteswar - The Holy Science. He was the great guru of Swami Paramahansa Yogananda ( of "Autobiography of a Yogi" Fame ).

I would like to point you to the following website, where the author has explained what the great Swami wrote about Yugas in his book. It also has the picture of Yugas as described by the great saint.

Hope this helps in understanding - but as many said it doesn't really matter - because we are already here - in this present moment.


http://allgratitude.com/gmcks_message/Yugas_and_the_Zodiac.html

Much love

[skippy]

The future according to Mike Leigh: Naked 1993.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7nDdS6XrbE

[donk]

I think that cycles of human experience necessitate you throw time in the mix, so to me it would render the circle or elevator analogies invalid...wouldn't it be more of a sine wave?

http://www.personal.psu.edu/sul168/images/Sine%20wave.png

[Fred Steeves]

I think that cycles of human experience necessitate you throw time in the mix, so to me it would render the circle or elevator analogies invalid...wouldn't it be more of a sine wave?

http://www.personal.psu.edu/sul168/images/Sine%20wave.png

Hi donk, I have no problemo with the sine wave gig, but if we extend your example out exponentially, what would we see in the big picture? All in all a line? Or a circle? Of sine waves that is...http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

Why are ancient symbols such as the ouroboros so prevalent? Can someone please show me ancient literature that demonstrates "time" as an arrow?

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[donk]

Touché :playball:

[Wookie]

I have never seen the Yuga pictured as a linear graph, Only in a Circular form.
http://news.fullorissa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Yugas2.png

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

[Lettherebelight]

Hi Fred and all,

Your timings for the four Yuga cycle are correct according to the Vedic version. Kali Yuga is the last section and lasts for 432,000 years, of which roughly 5000 have passed. So we are left with the balance of 427,000 years to go. After that, the season of Satya Yuga (the Golden Age) resumes.

Of course, as Purple Lama pointed out, it is important to remember that these measurements are in Earth years. In upper planetary systems, they are perceived as seasonal, or even daily changes, depending on what plane you happen to be living on. Thanks for that wonderful chart, PL, which clearly shows the relativity of time...and gives the Yugas in the correct sequence.

I will add here, that there is a 'mini' Golden Age spoken of in the Vedas, which was foretold of thousands of years ago. This Golden Age is to last 10,000 years. It began approximately 500 years ago around the time of the Renaissance. So we can expect to see an increase in higher consciousness during this time period, in spite of being surrounded by the symptoms of Kali Yuga (the Iron Age). And we can see, that even though it is very difficult to live a spiritual life in Kali Yuga, people are managing to succeed, in spite of the obstacles.

Like Fred, I am not trying to convince anyone, but merely presenting what the Vedas say on the subject. I can do no more. The information is available for anyone interested, to research it for themselves. I recommend the Srimad Bhagavatam (canto 12, chapter 2) for very clear explanations.

I think Wookie's circle is a good way of presenting the cycles except that the order is: Satya, Treta, Dwarpa, Kali, Satya, Treta Dwarpa, Kali, Satya, etc.

Michael Cremo, a lifelong student of the Vedas, has a very good presentation of the Yuga cycles on his website, which represents info from the Srimad Bhagavatam, Canto 3, chapter 11.

http://www.mcremo.com/vedic.htm

[modwiz]

My thanks to Shamz for providing a perfect resource for the discussion: Like a discussion on maters like these, there may be more than one opinion on what constitutes the correct information. My sense of things supports what the Sri Yukestar says and what is shown in the diagram below. I have reoriented it for easier viewing.
http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag152/modwiz/Great_Cycle_bg.jpg

The Iron Age began around 700 BC. An interesting time. The kingdom of Israel had been dispersed and ended with the Judean kingdom destined to end a little more than a hundred years later. Bronze weapons, of the Bronze age were still what weapons were largely made of. Interesting to note that Iron and steel come into usage during the Iron Age. The pendulum swing of the Ages had 500 AD as the nadir of this Age. The Dark ages had begun in earnest. The upswing of the Iron Age enters the Bronze age circa 1700 AD. Roughly corresponding to the Renaissance Period, the age of Enlightenment and the loosening of the grip the Church held over people.

The symbology of metals is often overlooked. I would be remiss to not make a brief comment of what they reveal/indicate. Iron, the metal of Mars, Aries, the god of war. Bronze. An alloy consisting of copper and tin with copper predominating. Bronze can contain many other metals, and bell bronzes are an alchemical art all their own, with the metals representing energies within the obvious tonal colorations they impart.

Basic bronze is copper and tin however. Tin is the metal of Jupiter/Zeus, the prototypical Yahweh. The adjective for things Jupiterian is Jovian, deriving from Jehovah, or vice versa. The predominant metal, copper, is a metal of Venus. Goddess of love. Hmm, English is a poor language for such a deep concept of love. Let us turn to a more erudite/descriptive language like Greek to assist us. Especially since the name Venus is the Roman version of Aphrodite and that the Romans took their cosmology from the Greeks.

Greek has 3 words for love. Eros, romantic erotic love. Philos, brotherly platonic love. Finally, agape. This is a love mixed with awe/respect the way one loves a diety. It is the word reserved for love of diety.
So, when we are dealing with the goddess of love with copper/Venus we are dealing with the Eros aspect primarily. Venus is the root of venereal, as in venereal disease.

Last but not least with regards to Venus is the affiliation with Lucifer. Venus is known as the morning star and so is Lucifer. They are linked. Unless coincidence is a better explanation for some. :P

I really could go on at great length here, but will refrain.

For Fred, the Ouroboros is a great symbol and you picked a great spot in the thread to introduce it, IMO. The cycles apply. The Iron age is surrounded on both sides by a Bronze Age. A descending one and then an ascending one. It is poetry to my mind. It should be remembered the these cycles are a spiral. The next distant Iron Age has the possibility of being very different than this last one has been. However, that is another essay. LOL.

[Arrowwind]

Almost every thread reminds me of a song. Pink Floyd....good choice. Fred, I think you have it right that you should trust your instincts and believe what you know. Who knows, in the years to come they may be writing posts about the wisdom of Fred. So many experts have so many different opinions. Why try to fit what we believe in a box. I don't like staying in the lines, even when I park.

we are already writing posts about the wisdom of Fred. ;)

[Arrowwind]

Seems to be different ideas about the yuga time cycle out there. My first introduction was through Sri Yukteswar and so it is what I adopted and saw correlation with in the Mayan thing to a degree.

The Descending Dark Age started in 700 B.C., with its lowest point in 500 A.D. when the sun is farthest from the center of the galaxy. This is the descending phase of the Dark Age of the Descending Kali Yuga. This period encompasses 1,200 years of Aries and reaches the start of the Age of Pisces. The Ascending Dark Age or Ascending Kali Yuga lasted from 500 A.D. to 1,700 A.D., encompassing 1,200 years of Pisces.

The Ascending Lower Mental Age or Ascending Dwapara Yuga started from 1,700 A.D. to 4,100 A.D. This yuga will encompass 800 years of Pisces and 1,600 years of Aquarius.

We are going to enter into the age of Aquarias this coming March 21, no?

Bonacci says that Yukteswar was off a few hundred years ... but I will have to go back to listen to that again for the details.

Sri Yukteswar did not addresss these huge cycles depicted in the chart below. He said a cycle was 26,000 years thereabout. I dont know how to integrate what this following chart says.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=19782&d=1356617753&thumb=1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=19782&d=1356644095)

Fred, I dont think I've ever seen time depicted as an arrow as any kind of transcendental sigil for time... I'd be inclined to remember that one.

[johnf]

Just so ya'll know, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything here. This is basically putting forward a thesis, and seeing if it can stand the light of day. If it can be plainly pointed out that there's a huge Titanic type gash in the hull of this ship I'm sailing, I will gladly abandon it. http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

It seems it may still be unclear my elevator vs. cycle analogy. The picture I posted showing the Yugas I think shows it very plainly.

19782

What I'm calling elevator, is the going back and forth, from one extreme to the other. Apparently we sink into the Kali Yuga, and then turn around and start going back up again? Back towards the Satya Yuga?

This to me would be like saying the end of our four season cycle is complete on December 21, then starts heading the other way, back towards November and so on. Now it can of course be argued that the sun does this as it transverses the sky from North to South, and then back again, but we know that's an illusion, the sun does not literally go back and forth in it's orbit.

The order of the universe is basically circular type cycles, so why would it not be that way here?

I don't see what your objection to the description in your opening post, because I just can't see the same rise and fall of the elevator happening more than once, if nothing else it is further down the time line. Also most things pass the middle line repeatedly (zero in the matmatical plot of a sine wave). There is a basal rhythm that repeats and much longer cycles that rise and fall over longer periods of time like drought periods medium rainfall then floods. One thing that helped me with this was a film I saw in first year college physics, that seemed to break something in my mind. That was a revolving disc, with a sphere mounted near one edge of the disc. Set the disc turning and you have 3 ways to graph the movement around the circle. Veiwed from the side one sees a ball falling down a certain amount and then rising up a certain amount. The midpoint relates to the zero point as the the ball rises and falls so it is somewhere between zero and either plus some amount or minus the same amount. Lets call this plus one. If veiwed straight at the circle, it just goes around and around hitting say the top as zero, plus one at the bottom, and minus one at the top, that number, name is dependent on whether you is coming or going.
Then view the disc from the side, but trace a line as the ball goes up and down as it slides to the right and you get a more realistic picture of something progressing through time. Here is a page describing all this with pretty pitshures:
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/tracking-simple-harmonic-motion-of-a-moving-object.html
However I think you are spot on as far as the thinking about what we are presented with as far as the challenges, (often seen as bad), and our perspective of them. If we take it all in stride everything is a growth oportunity, and that is what matters.
I have found so much disagreement about what yuga we are in, and whether the age of aquarius has started ,that I have concluded it does help much cuz we still gotta take action, or wait for better timing as guided by our intuition. If we are living that way we might as well be in the age of Aquarius!

[Arrowwind]

When I contemplate time I am more drawn to symbols like this. I perceive time as a spiral event that is multidimensional advancing inward and outward simultaneously.. Ultimately it is only a reflection of ones multidimensional self recorded though memory of images moving through experience.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2356/2361500377_4e3b3a8fa9.jpg

[johnf]

When I contemplate time I am more drawn to symbols like this. I perceive time as a spiral event that is multidimensional advancing inward and outward simultaneously.. Ultimately it is only a reflection of ones multidimensional self recorded though memory of images moving through experience.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2356/2361500377_4e3b3a8fa9.jpg

Also a true perspective, and this picture is awesome because it hints at the fractal nature of time. Hard to analyze, but Sooooooo fargin beautiful!
Oh to see the NDAA laws, Federal Reserve scams , and NWO game like this!

[Arrowwind]

However I think you are spot on as far as the thinking about what we are presented with as far as the challenges, (often seen as bad), and our perspective of them. If we take it all in stride everything is a growth oportunity, and that is what matters.
I have found so much disagreement about what yuga we are in, and whether the age of aquarius has started ,that I have concluded it does help much cuz we still gotta take action, or wait for better timing as guided by our intuition. If we are living that way we might as well be in the age of Aquarius!

But that is exactly it. ... moving out of the age of the apex of Pisces as we have been over the last hundreds of years towards Aquarius increases our propensity to vibrate with aquarius somewhat... the piscean influence is weakening. Just like when a sun sign is in the middle of the constellation, say Piscis March 9 will be strong in pisces constitution but a pisces March 18 birthdate will have some leanings to Aries constitution. A person born on the cusp is a mixed bag.

If we are living an enlightened life we over-ride the influence of the stars... the greater the enlightenment the greater the over-ride. We are released from karma.

[goinghome2012]

actually this is day 6 of a 10,000 year cycle of the 7th Golden Age

it can only get better from here

we made it

fear consciousness will be transmuted by the light from the divine feminine Galaxy, the crossing over has been competed and now we are going home

heaven on Earth

more heart attacks for people with closed hearts

open your heart and love

[Shamz]

Hello All,

Thanks to Modwiz for inserting the picture of the Yugas from the link that I placed in my post -- I did not know how to paste the pic...hence I included the link of the post.

There is definitely a discrepancy between Eastern calculations of the Yugas and the western science.

When reading my post please do refer to the picture that Modwiz posted in his recent post. Thanks

@Arrowind - According to Swami Shri Yukestwar and other ancient Hindu Rishis & ancient text - the moons revolve around their planets and planets turning around their axis, revolve with their moons around the sun;and the sun with its planet and their moons, take some star for its dual and revolves around it in 24,000 years of our earth ( and not 26,000 years according to Western texts) - a celestial phenomenon which cause backward movements of the equinoctial points around the zodiac. The sun also has another motion by which it revolves around a grand central, in ancient vedas its called 'Vishnunabhi', which is the seat of the creative power, Brahma.

There is a nearest point and farthest point to this seat of creative power or grand center point. When the sun in its revolution round its dual core comes to the place nearest to this grand center, the seat of the Brahma( an event which takes place when the Autumnal Equinox comes to the first point of Aries), the mental virtue becomes so much developed that the man can easily comprehend all, even the mysteries of the spirit.

After 12,000 years, when the sun goes to the place in its orbit which is farthest from Brahma or Grand center, ( an event which takes place when the Autumnal Equinox is on the first point of the Libra), the mental virtue comes to such a reduced state that man cannot grasp anything beyond the gross material creation.

So in a complete cycle of 24,000 years of earth, there is ascending arc and the descending arch of 12,000 years each.

According to ancient texts, there are 4 Yugas
1. Satya Yuga
2. Treta Yuga
3. Dwarpara Yuga
4. Kali Yuga.


Al Yugas last for certain number of years, with few years preceding and succeeding which are part of the same Yuga. These are called Mutations or Sandhis in Sanskrit.
So Satya Yuga, which is nearest to the grand center or seat of Brahma, is 4000 years in duration; 400 years before and after Satya Yuga proper are its mutations or Sandhis, hence Satya Yuga last total of 400+4000+400 = 4800 years in one cycle.

Now according to ancient texts, to calculate the age of other Yugas, it is laid down that the numeral one should be deducted from the numbers of both thousand and hundred which indicated the period of previois Yugass and Sandhis.
From this rule, the lenght of the Yugas are given below

1. Satya Yuga = 400+4000+400 = 4800 years
2. Treta Yuga = 300+3000+300 = 3600 years
3. Dwarpara Yuga = 200+2000+200 = 2400 Years
4. Kali Yuga = 100+1000+100 = 1200 Years

Sum of all these Yugas in one cycle = 4800+3600+2400+1200 = 12,000 years which corresponds to one half cycle around the Grand center, making the full cycle to 24,000 years. Look at the picture which Modwiz posted and you should see what I am talking about.

So if we look at out history we will notice that this cycle of 12,000 years ascending and descending human potential is indeed true.
From 11,501 BC, the Autumnal Equinox was on the first point of Aries, the sun began to move away from the point of its orbit near the Grand Center towards the point farthest from it, and accordingly the intellectual power of the man began to diminish.
So during 4800 years of descending Satya Yuga, man lost the power of grasping spiritual knowledge, during the next 3600 years of descending Treta Yuga, it lost all power to grasp divine magnetism. For next 2400 years of descending Dwarpara Yuga, man lost power to understand Electricity and its attributes. Then for next 1200 years it passed through the descending Kali Yuga, where man lost all the power and cannot understand anything beyond the gross material of creation.
The period around 500AD was indeed the darkest period of the Kali Yuga and of the whole cycle of 24000 years.

From 499Ad onwards, the sun began to advance towards the Grand Center and the intellect of the man started gradually to develop. As we can see from History all modern inventions and other things started to happen around or after 1599Ad. That is when last 100 years or Sandhis of Kali Yuga started and it finished in 1699AD. After that 200 years of Dwarpara Yugas Sandhis Started and it finished in 1899AD. After 1899Ad, 2000 years of Dwarpara Yuga started and we are beginning to understand and even master a thorough understanding of the electricities and its attributes.

According to Swami Yukteswarji's thoery, the sun entered the real Dwarpara or the Picses-Virgo in Ad 499 and will enter the real Treta Yuga or Aquarius-Leo 2000 years later, in Ad 2499.


Note: All the above information is borrowed from the Swami Yukteswara's Book - The Holy Science. I tried to put my meaning to certain things - others are taken as such.

Hope this helps

~Much love

[dim]

I don't see any difference between 500 AD and today, same misery, perhaps more,
misery accompanied with an iPad.

Maybe i am on a different timeline.

[Fred Steeves]

The depictions like this ya'll posted make a lot of sense, thank you.

http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag152/modwiz/Great_Cycle_bg.jpg

There does however still seem to be some not so small discrepancy in the exact order of the Ages. Now I'm a virtual rodeo clown when it comes to deep academic knowledge of these things, so of course I defer to people who have been studying them their entire adult lives.

Just pointing out though that if what Lettherebelight says is indeed correct, Satya is still next, not Dwapara. Mankind always "falling" that would make it. The fall of Man, now where have I heard that before.(LOL)


I think Wookie's circle is a good way of presenting the cycles except that the order is: Satya, Treta, Dwarpa, Kali, Satya, Treta Dwarpa, Kali, Satya, etc.

[Fred Steeves]

Another aspect of this I wanted to bring up is what things are we afraid to look at, even if we are consciously unaware we are doing so. Whether we are or are not heading into the Dark Age, I think this is an important exercise. Just suppose for argument sake that we ARE heading right into the teeth of the Dark Age, the darkest of the dark. Would you be afraid to look at it, acknowledge it, and see it for what it is? No matter how vile and disturbing?

Or would you look away, and either pretend it's not there, or pretend it's something else...

[goinghome2012]

i thought we were in the beginning of the Aquarius age, if that's the case we are moving out of the dark age or the iron age

[guido]

Swami Sri Yukteswar: title The holy Science

This is a link to the, little but such a great book and the diagram mentioned and copied to avalon.

http://ebookbrowse.com/sri-yukteshwar-the-holy-science-pdf-d201935406

with love Guido

[Arrowwind]

I dont have time to analyze any of this right now as I am on the road. I want to go back to Bonacci's videos before Im done for he mentions errors he thinks Sri Yukteswar made. anyway... we can only look into the face of that which is before us. I hear about the faces of evil that are in the world and I certainly look at them through the media like CNN and Infowar's, all the stories I hear about suffering around the planet, and I do see scattered issues in my community, but do I see really dark evil surrounding me in my own circle of self and family?
No. I think its a good sign, at least for me and my people on our evolution. So it makes it kind of difficult to look into the face of of pure darkeness directly. I have spotted it a few times, and yes, I could just walk away being unchanged by it.

I am not pretending that its not there... but what am I suppose to do? Disassociate my self from my place of being, my connection to the earth, the work I have with my family, neighbors, friends to travel around the world and "help" those who are in dispair?
from what I see much of the help in the world that is out there does little to restore balance and order and sustainablitly anyway. why should I go into a country in Africa and mess with the reality they have created and are intermessed with from the evil doers that invade their lands, that is if you really beleive that individuals create their reality. Well, do we or do we not?

If we create our reality then perhaps we have local jurisdiction on that to some extent? individually and collectively?

These are age old questions that the answers remain elusive to.

Somehow I feel it is better to build a temple of light than to spend my days struggling to annhilate a bastillion of darkness.

This way when those wish to move out of their darkness, they will find respite and a path and a place of safety.

I firmly believe that if the United States had this position collectively the world would be a better place.

Satya yuga remains before us but far in the future. The charts clearly indicate that. Somewhere along the line I heard from one of the "experts", dont remember who, that those who were not evolved enough to be in satya yuga would not be able to be here. They could not manage the energy and would have to reincarnate elsewhere or remain between worlds till the veils started to fall again. Doesnt that make sense? If we create our reality and we are not evolved enough for a fully enlightened culture then we will just go where we are evolved enough to be, those places that will promote our learning rather than always being over our head and spiritually out of reach.

[Fred Steeves]

Satya yuga remains before us but far in the future. The charts clearly indicate that. Somewhere along the line I heard from one of the "experts", dont remember who, that those who were not evolved enough to be in satya yuga would not be able to be here. They could not manage the energy and would have to reincarnate elsewhere or remain between worlds till the veils started to fall again. Doesnt that make sense? If we create our reality and we are not evolved enough for a fully enlightened culture then we will just go where we are evolved enough to be, those places that will promote our learning rather than always being over our head and spiritually out of reach.

Here's one of my sticking points Arrowwind. Why even desire at all to be along for the Satya Yuga ride, when it only ends with another big fall? Me thinks the overall purpose is to get to the point of growing weary of the ride, the whole ride, from the thrill of total victory, to the agony of utter defeat. Hop off the ride and move on. Others will move on as well in their own good time, as did the ones before us.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

The universe works in analogue sine wave. We are however under a binary construct.

We are at the turning point back up to the golden age. We wont fully feel the effects till about mid 2015.

Regardless of outside forces we should concentrate on oir own eminations.


Naniu

[Wookie]

Another aspect of this I wanted to bring up is what things are we afraid to look at, even if we are consciously unaware we are doing so. Whether we are or are not heading into the Dark Age, I think this is an important exercise. Just suppose for argument sake that we ARE heading right into the teeth of the Dark Age, the darkest of the dark. Would you be afraid to look at it, acknowledge it, and see it for what it is? No matter how vile and disturbing?

Or would you look away, and either pretend it's not there, or pretend it's something else...

I'm always up for a challenge, and personally do not see myself choosing to incarnate in a golden age unless it was time for a vacation. Now if that's the case this resort blows and I will be seeking a refund, but if it is indeed a time for hardship and learning I'm in the right place.

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

[Lettherebelight]

Just pointing out though that if what Lettherebelight says is indeed correct, Satya is still next, not Dwapara. Mankind always "falling" that would make it. The fall of Man, now where have I heard that before.(LOL)


I think Wookie's circle is a good way of presenting the cycles except that the order is: Satya, Treta, Dwarpa, Kali, Satya, Treta Dwarpa, Kali, Satya, etc.

Just to add, that the movement of the Yugas, rather than being compared to 'a fall of mankind', is more of the cyclical changing of the seasons...spring, summer, autumn, winter, spring, summer, autumn, winter, spring...you get the picture.

Also, these changes do not only affect mankind, but all living entities and energies at work within the universe. Where one is situated within the universe, and the dimension they inhabit, will determine how one will experience the changing of seasons of time.

The rising awareness of consciousness we are experiencing presently, is the beginning of the scheduled 10,000 year golden age, after which Kali Yuga will resume for the remaining 417,000 years. This could link to what some call the age of Aquarius?

[Arrowwind]

Satya yuga remains before us but far in the future. The charts clearly indicate that. Somewhere along the line I heard from one of the "experts", dont remember who, that those who were not evolved enough to be in satya yuga would not be able to be here. They could not manage the energy and would have to reincarnate elsewhere or remain between worlds till the veils started to fall again. Doesnt that make sense? If we create our reality and we are not evolved enough for a fully enlightened culture then we will just go where we are evolved enough to be, those places that will promote our learning rather than always being over our head and spiritually out of reach.

Here's one of my sticking points Arrowwind. Why even desire at all to be along for the Satya Yuga ride, when it only ends with another big fall? Me thinks the overall purpose is to get to the point of growing weary of the ride, the whole ride, from the thrill of total victory, to the agony of utter defeat. Hop off the ride and move on. Others will move on as well in their own good time, as did the ones before us.

Its not a matter of desire. It's a matter of being here now, where ever that is. Obviously you and I and everyone else we known signed up for this trip somewhere along the line. There is no rule that I am aware of that after Satya Yuga you must go into the decline. You will be where you merit to be. I expect that anyone could jump of the cycle machine anytime they choose and learn how to 'get it' .... that is, their ultimate freedom.

Despondency is just another form of spinning your karmic wheels.

[Lettherebelight]

Yes, one can get off the wheel. We will see more and more individuals applying themselves in this direction as the years roll on.