Documentation of Depletion of Minerals in Food over Time in The USA

[Arrowwind]

Minerals are incredibly important to maintaining health. It has been reported over the years that the mineral content of our soils had been in a downward trend. These studies prove it and these pdf files are good to keep to prove to those who doubt out there. Studies were done by Lindlaar in 1914 and by the USDA in 1963 and 1997. If you've had doubts about what Dr Wallace has had to say this may put some of those doubts to rest.

http://www.nutritionsecurity.org/PDF/Mineral%20Content%20of%20One%20Apple.pdf

http://www.nutritionsecurity.org/PDF/Mineral%20Content%20in%20Vegetables.pdf

* You would have to eat 53 peaches in 1991 to get the same amount of vitamin A as you could have gotten from 2 peaches in 1951! Undoubtedly even worse now. (Christian J. Charts: Nutrient changes in vegetables and fruits, 1951 to 1999)
* Green beans refrigerated after harvest lost more than 90% ascorbic acid following 16 days of refrigeration; broccoli lost about 50% of both ascorbic acid and beta-carotene
following 5 days of storage. (Howard LA, Wong AD, Perry AK, et al. B-carotene and ascorbic acid retention in fresh and processed vegetables. J Food Sci. 1999;64(5):929-936)
* Following cold storage for 8 days in the light, spinach lost 22% lutein; in 8 days of dark cold, spinach lost 18% beta- carotene (Kopas-Lane LM, Warthesen JJ. Carotenoid photostability in raw spinach and carrots during cold storage. J Food Sci. 1995;60(4):773-776)
* Storage of whole heads of lettuce or endive in the cold dark for 7 days resulted in total flavanol glycoside losses from 7-46% (DuPont MS, Mondin Z, Williamson G, et al. Effect of variety, processing, and storage on the flavonoid glycoside content and composition of lettuce and endive. J Agric Food Chem. 2000;48(9):3957-3964).

The Effects of Selenium Deficiency in The Diet
http://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/0006-3223(91)90251-G/abstract

[Eram]

Yes,

This is very important for all to know.

Studies like these led me to the conclusion that it would be wise to add food additives to our menu (superfoods like Chlorella and spirulina, minerals like, magnesium, selenium, zinc etc and vitamins like C, D3, B and so fort.
Basically I live with this rule:
One needs enough essential oils in the system, to be able to absorb enough minerals.
One needs enough minerals in the system to be able to absorb enough vitamins.

So for a healthy diet, one needs the essential oils, minerals and vitamins.

Luckily... we live close to a farm that produces organic vegetables, so we manage to eat fresh vegetables at least 4 times a week (fresh as in... eaten within 2 days from harvesting).

[ThePythonicCow]

Luckily... we live close to a farm that produces organic vegetables, so we manage to eat fresh vegetables at least 4 times a week (fresh as in... eaten within 2 days from harvesting).
I remember as a child, my Dad would go to a nearby farm that grew sweet corn, and get it fresh picked, to bring home and cook that night.

Just like the milk from my Dad's cows, it tastes better fresh (which is a big clue that it's more nutritious :).)

[ThePythonicCow]

Minerals are incredibly important to maintaining health. It has been reported over the years that the mineral content of our soils had been in a downward trend. These studies prove it and these pdf files are good to keep to prove to those who doubt out there. Studies were done by Lindlaar in 1914 and by the USDA in 1963 and 1997. If you've had doubts about what Dr Wallace has had to say this may put some of those doubts to rest.

http://www.nutritionsecurity.org/PDF/Mineral%20Content%20of%20One%20Apple.pdf

http://www.nutritionsecurity.org/PDF/Mineral%20Content%20in%20Vegetables.pdf

The charts in those two pdf's are worth showing here, inline.

Each of these two pdf's is just one page each, so here's their entire contents, below.

http://thepythoniccow.us/Mineral_Content_Apple_1914-1992.jpg


http://thepythoniccow.us/Mineral_Content_Vegetables_1914-1997.jpg

Living off store bought food today provides dramatically less nutrients than living off home grown fruits and vegetables a century ago.

Some form of supplementation is required to obtain similar levels of nutrition.

[Dawn]

Well, the problem is even beyond minerals. It is also about the 'dead' water most of us drink. Turns out that well known healing springs, as well as water from all streams and springs, are naturally all full of radon gas. The most famous springs all have a higher radon level such as Vitchy in France, Bath in England, Hot Springs in Arkansas, and so on. Water that pours from our tap is completely depleted of this natural radon that is formed when the water is in contact with natural rocks. After being stored in reservoirs and flowing for miles through metal pipes it is essentially dead. My research shows that this has an extremely nasty effect on the health of people... and any gardens they grow with this water.

Even so... the best way to get minerals is to grow your own garden and build your own soil. I take care of my soil like a favorite pet. I feed it ground up seaweed, used coffee grounds from my local coffee house, special green manures, and I have a worm farm to make worm castings for it. In addition I've been watering it with special structured water I create with the use of ceramic magnets and filters. However... next I need to find some way of introducing radon back into the water... Hmmmm.... not sure how to do that!

Here is a link to the results of growing beans with and without radiation in the form of natural rocks and water exposed to these same rocks:
http://www.nighthawkminerals.com/beans.html

[778 neighbour of some guy]

This should bring your water back to life, its a home made Schauberger water vortexer ( google the man and find out, youtube is a good source too, some nice docus on the man, he supposedly also invented the engines for the Nazi ufo's whatever that may mean in whatever context, but thats of topic).

The tools i used are all in the images, dont know if the images came out in the correct order, but i assume if i can do it ( use a drill and some kit) any idiot can, a much better way to do it found out through a kids science project video is melting the caps together to prevent leaking.

Anyway, water tastes different after vortexing it and the same goes for the texture, you can feel it when you swish it around in your mouth, just poor a vortexed glass and a regular one and taste.

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Minerals,

Himalaya sea salts contain 84 minerals and i use it to make SOLE to replenish my system. For this i killed a salt lamp ( used a hammer) i had laying around, i picked up some years ago to pump the room full with negative ions but the lamp hardly did anything, so it has a better use now.

Below a better instructional on how to do it. ( my way worked too but whatever).

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My (665) apologies for the poor copy paste job, i am a digibetic.

The mixture of water and crystal salt, called “sole” (so-lay), is the primordial soup of life, and the most flexible physical representation of pure solar and light energy. When water and this salt come together they create this new dimension, Sole. In German, the word sole, which is derived from the Latin word “sol”, which means sun. Sole is nothing but the fluid materialization of sunlight. When water combines with salt, the positive ions of the salt surround the negative ions of the water molecules and the negative ions of the salt surround the positive ions of the water molecules. The ions become hydrolyzed. In this process the geometrical structure of the salt and the water is changed and a totally new structure is formed, a third dimension. Water is no longer water and salt is not salt anymore. The crystalline structure of the sole is so profound that its vibration pattern lasts over 24 hours in our bodies.

The Himalayan Crystal Salt Sole (So-lay) solution supplies the body with the natural energy stored in the salt crystals and the body can hold this energy for up to 24 hours. Using the Sole you can:

can harmonize the alkaline/acidity
balance in the body and normalize blood pressure
can dissolve and eliminate sediments which lead to stones and various forms of rheumatism like arthritis and kidney and gall bladder stones
can lower the craving for addictive desires
can help with skin diseases by cleaning from inside out

How to balance the Body’s pH Factor and Get Rid of Heavy Metals

The sole is an excellent product for balancing the pH factor of your body. With the sole, one can also get rid of heavy metals such as lead, mercury, arsenic, amalgam and calcium because the crystal salt is able to break up their molecular structures. Treat your body to a sole therapy in order to get rid of the calcium build up and the heavy metal deposits. For the body to get rid of these deposits it has to first metabolize them. Even animal proteins, which are difficult to break down and eliminate, will be eliminated through the urine due to the strong structural formation of the crystal salt. With the sole, you can have exactly that vibration pattern that the body is lacking when it is sick. But again, the quality of the salt is paramount for quality sole.

When to use it:

Every morning, take one teaspoon of sole mixed in a glass of good quality artesian or spring water. Drink this on an empty stomach before taking breakfast. The amount of water is up to you, but you only need one teaspoon of sole for your daily intake. The regularity is important. From a bio-chemical viewpoint, within minutes, the whole stomach and intestines are being stimulated. And this again stimulates the digestion and metabolism. The overall availability of electrolytes is built up and thus the conductivity in the body is increased, which in turn affects the circulation. The salt allows the current to flow once again.

Preparing the Sole:

Step 1
Everyone knows that salt dissolves in water, right? But did you know that if you keep adding salt to a glass of water you’ll get to a point where the water becomes super-salty or saturated with salt? Did you also know that when the water becomes super-salty or saturated with salt that the salt will just sit on the bottom of the glass without dissolving? This is exactly what the Himalayan Crystal Salt Sole is, super- saturated, salty water. Here’s how to make it.

Place 25mm of Himalayan Crystal Salt stones in a glass jar, preferably one with a lid, Add 50-75mm of good quality artesian or spring water above the stones, completely covering the crystals with water. Let sit overnight.

Step 2
If all the salt crystals have dissolved, add a few more salt crystals to the water. Your Himalayan Crystal Salt Sole is ready when the water becomes fully saturated with salt and cannot hold any more. The salt will no longer dissolve at this stage. There should always be salt crystals in the jar. As you use up the Himalayan Crystal Salt Sole, after some time, add more water and more salt until the water is again saturated. Remember, there should always be undissolved salt crystals on the bottom of the jar. This is your visual proof that the water is totally saturated with salt.

Step 3
Each morning, before eating or drinking anything, add one teaspoon of the Himalayan Crystal Salt Sole to a glass of artesian or spring water and drink. Your body will receive the energetic vibration pattern of the Himalayan Crystal Salt and hold it for 24 hours. Keep the container covered to prevent the water from evaporating. Otherwise, no special storage is needed. The fully saturated Himalayan Crystal Salt Sole will keep forever! Salt is a natural anti-bacterial and natural fungicide. It simply cannot spoil or go bad.
The 13 Amazing Health Benefits
Himalayan Crystal Salt, the Purest Salt on Earth
(and Why You Want to Avoid Conventional Salt Like the Plague)

Salt is essential for life – you cannot live without it. However, most people simply don’t realize that there are enormous differences between the standard, refined table and cooking salt most of you are accustomed to using and healthy natural salt.

These differences can have a major impact on your staying healthy, or increasing your risk of diseases you want to avoid.

Your table salt is actually 97.5% sodium chloride and 2.5% chemicals such as moisture absorbents, and iodine. Dried at over 1,200 degrees Fahrenheit, the excessive heat alters the natural chemical structure of the salt causing the potential for a myriad of health problems in your body.

If you want your body to function properly, you need holistic salt complete with all-natural elements. Today’s common table salt is poison that has nothing in common with natural salt.

Most common table salt is made up of chemicals that pollute your body and wreak havoc on your health. Pure Himalayan Crystal Salt contains no toxins and all 84 minerals and elements necessary for your optimal health!
This Salt Is Over 250 Million Years Old

This is by far the purest salt available on earth and is absolutely uncontaminated with any toxins or pollutants.
This salt from the Himalayas is known as “white gold” because it contains eons of stored sunlight. Together with pure spring water, Himalayan Crystal Salt offers all the natural elements exactly identical to the elements in your body – the very same elements originally found existing in the “primal sea.”

When you use pure Himalayan Crystal Salt, you receive 250,000,000 years of accumulated sunlight and energy, plus all the natural minerals your body needs for restoring balance and life force.
Containing all of the 84 elements found in your body, the benefits of natural Himalayan Crystal Salt include:

Regulating the water content throughout your body.
Balancing excess acidity from your cells, particularly your brain cells.
Balancing your blood sugar levels and helping to reduce your aging rate.
Assisting in the generation of hydroelectric energy in cells in your body.
Absorption of food particles through your intestinal tract.
Help in clearing mucus plugs and phlegm from your lungs – particularly useful in asthma and cystic fibrosis.
Acts as a strong natural antihistamine and helps clear up congestion in your sinuses
Prevention of muscle cramps.
Making the structure of your bones firm – osteoporosis can occur when your body needs more salt and takes it from your bones.
Regulating your sleep – it is a natural hypnotic.
Maintaining your libido.
Preventing varicose veins and spider veins on your legs and thighs.
Stabilizing irregular heartbeats – in conjunction with water it is actually essential for the regulation of your blood pressure

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Well, the problem is even beyond minerals. It is also about the 'dead' water most of us drink. Turns out that well known healing springs, as well as water from all streams and springs, are naturally all full of radon gas. The most famous springs all have a higher radon level such as Vitchy in France, Bath in England, Hot Springs in Arkansas, and so on. Water that pours from our tap is completely depleted of this natural radon that is formed when the water is in contact with natural rocks. After being stored in reservoirs and flowing for miles through metal pipes it is essentially dead. My research shows that this has an extremely nasty effect on the health of people... and any gardens they grow with this water.

Even so... the best way to get minerals is to grow your own garden and build your own soil. I take care of my soil like a favorite pet. I feed it ground up seaweed, used coffee grounds from my local coffee house, special green manures, and I have a worm farm to make worm castings for it. In addition I've been watering it with special structured water I create with the use of ceramic magnets and filters. However... next I need to find some way of introducing radon back into the water... Hmmmm.... not sure how to do that!

Here is a link to the results of growing beans with and without radiation in the form of natural rocks and water exposed to these same rocks:
http://www.nighthawkminerals.com/beans.html

See the post above this one, Schauberger water and Sole, can be combined of course, dont know how veggies would respond to it but it can be tested on a plant that isnt doing good, perhaps it will get happy again.;)

[Ammit]

Well, the problem is even beyond minerals. It is also about the 'dead' water most of us drink. Turns out that well known healing springs, as well as water from all streams and springs, are naturally all full of radon gas. The most famous springs all have a higher radon level such as Vitchy in France, Bath in England, Hot Springs in Arkansas, and so on. Water that pours from our tap is completely depleted of this natural radon that is formed when the water is in contact with natural rocks. After being stored in reservoirs and flowing for miles through metal pipes it is essentially dead. My research shows that this has an extremely nasty effect on the health of people... and any gardens they grow with this water.

Even so... the best way to get minerals is to grow your own garden and build your own soil. I take care of my soil like a favorite pet. I feed it ground up seaweed, used coffee grounds from my local coffee house, special green manures, and I have a worm farm to make worm castings for it. In addition I've been watering it with special structured water I create with the use of ceramic magnets and filters. However... next I need to find some way of introducing radon back into the water... Hmmmm.... not sure how to do that!

Here is a link to the results of growing beans with and without radiation in the form of natural rocks and water exposed to these same rocks:
http://www.nighthawkminerals.com/beans.html

Add water to your ground water from a spring which contains radon?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Yes,

This is very important for all to know.

Studies like these led me to the conclusion that it would be wise to add food additives to our menu (superfoods like Chlorella and spirulina, minerals like, magnesium, selenium, zinc etc and vitamins like C, D3, B and so fort.
Basically I live with this rule:
One needs enough essential oils in the system, to be able to absorb enough minerals.
One needs enough minerals in the system to be able to absorb enough vitamins.

So for a healthy diet, one needs the essential oils, minerals and vitamins.

Luckily... we live close to a farm that produces organic vegetables, so we manage to eat fresh vegetables at least 4 times a week (fresh as in... eaten within 2 days from harvesting).

Hey Toek and the rest;)

This is what i do now, i bought the capsule maker i discussed in the Liver detox thread to get around the horrible Epsom taste and you can use to put your superduperfoods into caps too, they dont taste that great either, grinn ( i used to make shakes of them and slam them down)

In the capsules are, Maca, spirulina, chlorella, hempprotein, and broccoli powder, i got my capsule machine yesterday and fixed a batch straight away, the small container filled with them is for on the go, works great.

Next to it is my Sole btw.

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[Eram]

Ahh ofcourse,

I forgot to mention the Sole that we drink every day.
My girlfriend bought 50 kg of Celtic sea salt (she likes to plan ahead... who knows... when the SHTF... we have something to barter with... everybody needs salt ;) )
The body agrees with the Sole very much and we suspect that everything that it claims to do.... it does!

yup, we also get spring water from a spring nearby, though not as regularly as we should I guess. We started doing it for the natural hormus, but maybe there's radon in it too.

I actually made that water revitaliser vortex 665 plumber.... with glass bottles, but it hasn't made it to be a popular device in our household, don't know why.

That capsule maker looks promising. Have you tested it yet with epsom? I start to feel resistance to the epsom too after 4 flushes hehehe.


I would very much like to learn more about organic minerals and vitamins and an-organic ones. Some people claim that the an-organic ones damage the RNA and or create kidney stones.
All I can say is that I have been taking an-organic minerals and vitamins for over a year now and I have never felt healthier and energised in my life.

I also wonder about those studies that show the decline in minerals in the soil. They all seem to go back to the early 20th century or the late 19th century.
People grow crops for thousands of years..... what happened to the soils in the years that aren't covered in the study? Because there surely wasn't much fertilizing going on then I suppose, though I understand that the use of the lands weren't as intense as the recent century.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I actually made that water revitaliser vortex 6665 plumber.... with glass bottles, but it hasn't made it to be a popular device in our household, don't know why.

That capsule maker looks promising. Have you tested it yet with epsom? I start to feel resistance to the epsom too after 4 flushes hehehe.

I just used what i had laying around ( and i was bored) but it works just fine, but it is a bit clumsy the swirl your water around, could be the reason it is not used much, the caps are pretty useful though, you can just bring them with you on hollidays and so forth since they screw onto any bottle, have not tested the Epsom in the caps yet but i took three superfoodbombcaps this morning after my nightshift and i could taste the spirulina within 15 minutes, so in case of liver flushes, take the caps a little earlier and you/i should be just fine.

Drifting of topic so i will leave now, sorry Arrow.

[Arrowwind]

. However... next I need to find some way of introducing radon back into the water... Hmmmm.... not sure how to do that!

Here is a link to the results of growing beans with and without radiation in the form of natural rocks and water exposed to these same rocks:
http://www.nighthawkminerals.com/beans.html

You could use ground granite and paramagetic rock. Granite is known for emiting radon. I use paramagnetic rock and its amazing. Most of the minerals needed are in the soil. It just takes micro-organisms in the soild to break them down and make them available. I dont believe that our soils are depleted of minerals, I think that they are depleted of available minerals because they are no longer living.

Hence biochar can be effective as it provides a place for micro-organisms to colonize, as does all organic matter, but biochar will stay in the soil forever. Its like a microbe hotel.

[Arrowwind]

[See the post above this one, Schauberger water and Sole, can be combined of course, dont know how veggies would respond to it but it can be tested on a plant that isnt doing good, perhaps it will get happy again.;)

When our house is complete I plan on installing a www.photonicwater.com (http://www.photonicwater.com) device into the line. It will bifurcate under the house and lines will go to the garden as well as into all the house. Essentially its a device that votexes the water in line. If you go to their site you can see the studies that have been done in agriculture and the effects on plants that it has. Its also hugely healthy to drink and shower in. I advised a table top device to a woman who had chonic eczema most of her life and nothing worked. Three weeks drinking this water cured her condition.

[Carmen]

I consider myself really blessed to have spring water of our own to drink. It is wonderful water and I always take plenty with me when I leave home. The depletion of minerals is a worldwide problem and modern farming methods make it worse as soil is being mined of minerals that are not being replaced. On my land I feed my animals plenty of grass but they also have a mineral mix of dolomite, sea salt, powdered seaweed and diamateous earth (a natural wormer). The land is remineralised through the dung and urine of my animals. At the moment I can barely keep the minerals up to the animals but in the next twelve months or so I should see the need for so much product diminish as the land is remineralised.

People who grow organically need to also be aware of the need for mineral on their land.

[Living Food]

Hi Arrow,

I actually started a thread here with that information (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52102-Why-we-re-all-deficient-in-nutrients). Maybe the two threads should be merged?

Plumber and Arrow, thanks for the information on water energizes. That's something I've been interested in for a while.

Dawn, I would be wary of drinking water with radon in it. Radon gas seeping into homes is a cause of cancer and other diseases. If you have some information on how radon in drinking water is beneficial to health, I would be interested in seeing it, but otherwise I think it's probably best to avoid it. Water does need subtle energy, but not radioactivity (as far as I know).


People grow crops for thousands of years..... what happened to the soils in the years that aren't covered in the study? Because there surely wasn't much fertilizing going on then I suppose, though I understand that the use of the lands weren't as intense as the recent century.

For most of the history of agriculture, humans were very careful to return everything back to the soil and so keep it fertile, as well as using various techniques to actually improve the soil and make it even more fertile. After the Industrial Revolution, and armed with fertilizers and pesticides derived from explosives and nerve gas used during World War II, farmers stopped practicing soil conservation and just continued to extract more and more minerals from the soil while only returning three elements - nitrogen, phosphorous, and potassium. And those fertilizers where in a synthetic form that, in conjunction with the pesticides, killed the living organisms in the soil. The fungi, bacteria, nematodes, and other soil organisms are necessary for plants being able to utilize the minerals in the soil, and yet they're no longer there in most large farms. Only the few remaining small farms, using traditional methods of soil conservation and growing, still have the fertile soils necessary to produce healthy crops.

There was plenty of fertilizing going on then - manure, green manure, composting, etc. And unlike the fertilizers used today, these methods actually enhanced soil fertility and allowed vital microorganisms to thrive.

Even disregarding the plummet in soil fertility, there is now plenty of evidence suggesting that the new high-yield cultivars being grown throughout the world only pick up a fraction of the nutrients from the soil as did the old, heirloom and lower yield varieties. A diet of store-bought foods is not enough to give you even minimum nutrition today, you have to find foods grown in fertile soil [either grow them yourself or find a small, local farmer who knows what he's doing] and eat as many wild foods as you can - edible weeds are absolutely packed with rare trace minerals and phytonutrients you won't find anywhere else.

Come visit the thread that I linked to, where I'm going to be posting some good studies shortly.

[Arrowwind]

For most of the history of agriculture, humans were very careful to return everything back to the soil and so keep it fertile, as well as using various techniques to actually improve the soil and make it even more fertile.

The fungi, bacteria, nematodes, and other soil organisms are necessary for plants being able to utilize the minerals in the soil, and yet they're no longer there in most large farms. Only the few remaining small farms, using traditional methods of soil conservation and growing, still have the fertile soils necessary to produce healthy crops.

There was plenty of fertilizing going on then - manure, green manure, composting, etc. And unlike the fertilizers used today, these methods actually enhanced soil fertility and allowed vital microorganisms to thrive.

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Welcome to the forum Living Food!

I keep coming back to this issue because I think sometimes people are not hearing exactly how important it is.

So I will tell my little story once again....

A gardener friend grows an exquisite garden every year. He never composts or puts any kind of artificial fertilizer on the soil.
He grows his nitrogen hungry corn patch in the same plot year after year. He cans about 200 cans of corn every season, most of which goes to the food bank.

I came to find out that what he does put on his soil is micro-organism activator. http://www.elawngarden.com/natural-guard-natural-guard-lawn-garden-soil-activator-with-humates-2000-p-2470.html (http://www.elawngarden.com/natural-guard-natural-guard-lawn-garden-soil-activator-with-humates-2000-p-2470.html)

Products like these enliven the soil with micro-organisms that will chelate out the minerals from the tiny tiny rocks in the soil to make them available to your plants.... hence his great looking garden with no other additives. Typically a garden like his would have fallen by the wayside due to soil depletion years ago. He also puts it on his lawn.

Now I dont garden this way, prefering to use all the organic plant composts I can get my hands on but I do on occassion add it to my gardens, especially the corn patch where Im always uncertian if I have the soil right for this nitrogen hungry plant. We use it on our lawns too.

Micro-organisms are where its at in gardening.....it is the key to everything and it is why biochar is so incredibly effective. Give those little critters a place to live and they stick around for a very long time.

[Arrowwind]

Dawn, I would be wary of drinking water with radon in it. Radon gas seeping into homes is a cause of cancer and other diseases. If you have some information on how radon in drinking water is beneficial to health, I would be interested in seeing it, but otherwise I think it's probably best to avoid it. Water does need subtle energy, but not radioactivity (as far as I know).
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There is some controvery regarding the dangers of radiaiton in low dose and of certain types, and I certainly question the stats of radon gas causing cancer. The opportunities for those kind of studies to loose control are immense. Millions and millions of people live with radon gas in their homes.. I dont really know where the truth is but it sure has been a big money maker for those trying to blow this whistle on radon... always follow the money...

Natural granite top counters emit radon gas too... zillions of homes have them in their kitchen. Is this the latest PTB population reduction scheme? I doubt it.

That being said, I think that anyone who drinks the stuff might be in for some serious surprises.
If you want to play with energy go for magnatism.. it is much safer and there are a few studies that prove its reliability on promoting health and growth. Frequency is key... and biodynamics in farming has proven that one out, IMHO.

[Living Food]

Welcome to the forum Living Food!

Thank you!

In my experience most of the microorganism activators don't really have much of an effect, but it sounds like the one you mentioned is very effective. I might have to try it out of curiosity, although my soil is already very good.

I agree that it is best to use lots of compost and other traditional methods of enriching the soil. Thermophilic and vermicomposting can rapidly turn dead, barren soil into a virtual produce factory.


especially the corn patch where Im always uncertain if I have the soil right for this nitrogen hungry plant.

Do you use cover crops?


If you want to play with energy go for magnatism.. it is much safer and there are a few studies that prove its reliability on promoting health and growth. Frequency is key... and biodynamics in farming has proven that one out, IMHO.

Magnets are quite effective at getting somewhat higher crop yields and healthier olants and have lots of health benefits [if you use the correct pole towards you, one side produces health-enhancing negative ions and the other health-destroying positive ions], but even better is energized water or orgonite. Magnetized water works very well too.

[Arrowwind]

especially the corn patch where Im always uncertain if I have the soil right for this nitrogen hungry plant.

Do you use cover crops?

Magnets are quite effective at getting somewhat higher crop yields and healthier olants and have lots of health benefits [if you use the correct pole towards you, one side produces health-enhancing negative ions and the other health-destroying positive ions], but even better is energized water or orgonite. Magnetized water works very well too.

No we haven't used cover crops but have considered it. We were in a hurry to get things going here and that would have put our goals off by a season so we went into another direction. Our pasture is looking very good. Because I lasagna garden in the vegetable area I dont see that cover crops would add much to what I already put there. The stuff is so freakin rich after just two seasons of soil construction its hard to believe.... but I think that as we increase the garden size to produce all that we need and then some we will rotate areas and plant cover crops...you really need more ground in production than you actually need to produce the actual harvest size required.

Lasagna gardening is a no till method. Cover crops require tilling and I haven't made my mind up on that aspect either. It may happen just for the corn patch.


With magnetism I am mainly thinking of paramagnetic rock dust. The higher the goss the better.

[Dawn]

Living Foods: Dawn, I would be wary of drinking water with radon in it. Radon gas seeping into homes is a cause of cancer and other diseases. If you have some information on how radon in drinking water is beneficial to health, I would be interested in seeing it, but otherwise I think it's probably best to avoid it. Water does need subtle energy, but not radioactivity (as far as I know).

People grow crops for thousands of years..... what happened to the soils in the years that aren't covered in the study? Because there surely wasn't much fertilizing going on then I suppose, though I understand that the use of the lands weren't as intense as the recent century.

Welcome to the forum Living Foods! I am hosting a thread about Radiation Hormesis. You would find it fascinating. It turns out that RADON GAS IS GOOD FOR US! That’s right... we have been lied to ... again. In the USA almost no one gets enough natural radiation (and the key is natural) to be living at optimum health!!! Don’t take my word for it- this topic is fascinating to me and I’ve posted a great many references for you to check out on my thread here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53597-Hormesis-Healing-Yourself-with-Low-Dose-Radiation


Arrowind: That being said, I think that anyone who drinks the stuff might be in for some serious surprises.
If you want to play with energy go for magnatism.. it is much safer and there are a few studies that prove its reliability on promoting health and growth. Frequency is key... and biodynamics in farming has proven that one out, IMHO.

Arrowind, we do use magnetized water in our home and in our garden. We have put no8 doughnut shaped ceramic magnets around our water pipes and garden supply line. They made quite a difference in the water being wetter, plant health, and I have noticed that the garden and I drink much less, because the water actually satisfies our thirst.

However natural sources of water contain radon from their relationship with rocks. I live with piped water and a municipal system. Part of having radiant health is restoring radon to ‘dead’ water which has lost this life enhancing substance. Water does not have the capacity to absorb too much radon if it is in contact with natural radiating rocks. All of the famous health spas around the world are distinguished by their enhanced levels of radon in the water due to underground radiation that the water comes in contact with. Examples of famous healing waters with high radon content are:
~Bath, England
~Badon Badon, Germany
~Vitchy, France
~Hot Springs, Arkansas

[Arrowwind]

Arrowind, we do use magnetized water in our home and in our garden. We have put no8 doughnut shaped ceramic magnets around our water pipes and garden supply line. They made quite a difference in the water being wetter, plant health, and I have noticed that the garden and I drink much less, because the water actually satisfies our thirst.



Thanks Dawn. Can you provide a photo or a link for these magnets you used?

I have read that the charge for some of these water devices will only last so long when traveling down a pipe or hose
so that should be taken into consideration. For the photonic water its about 300 feet.

[Living Food]

I am hosting a thread about Radiation Hormesis. You would find it fascinating. It turns out that RADON GAS IS GOOD FOR US! That’s right... we have been lied to ... again. In the USA almost no one gets enough natural radiation (and the key is natural) to be living at optimum health!!! Don’t take my word for it- this topic is fascinating to me and I’ve posted a great many references for you to check out on my thread here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...Dose-Radiation


Thanks. I'll check it out.


I have read that the charge for some of these water devices will only last so long when traveling down a pipe or hose
so that should be taken into consideration. For the photonic water its about 300 feet.

Straight pipes and 90 degree turns are unnatural and quickly make the water's energy harmful. In nature flowing water always meanders back and forth [think streams] because this energizes the water; running over the rocks/gravel in streambeds also energizes the water by creating mini-vortexes. These conditions can be mimicked to create a cheap, natural water energizer system.

Instead of using straight pipes, set up a system where the water forms a vortex as it travels and add some mineralized rocks. Instant, cheap, very effective water energizer. Here's the account of someone who tried this:




The water in my pool is circulated through parallel plastic pipes that change direction at right-angles which is far from a naturalistic scheme.
An electric pump draws the water out of the pool, through a sand filter and chlorinator cell before returning once again to the pool.
The water has a quantity of salt dissolved in it (about 500 ppl) which is turned briefly into chlorine as it passes through the chlorinator cell.

I decided to try and improve on this system by incorporating a more naturalistic element into the path that the water takes.
I took a branch off the system (after the filter and chlorinator cell) which allowed some of the water to flow through a flexible plastic pipe which I set running into a terra-cotta pot that serves as a 'chaos pool' and which is additionally set inside an Orgonite Dodecahedron.
The water then flows into a large section of plastic guttering which has stones placed in it and falls back into the pool via another 'chaos pool'.
The stones cause the water to stretch and compress, run at differing speeds through eddies and spirals in a similar way to a mountain stream.

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Obviously this system is a gross travesty of a naturally occurring mountain stream but as a primary experiment into the idea; it still seems to represent a significant improvement over the previous mechanistic system that was installed by the pool supplier.

Within 24 hours of running this system; the water began to clear impressively and has continued to improve ever since.
The water seems softer still and has a lower surface tension than before.
It also offers greater buoyancy and we float higher in the water than previously which suggests that the properties of the water are changing all the time.

We are currently enjoying the monsoon season here in Indonesia and the rains have swelled the water in the pool; requiring some of it to be dumped from time to time.
This process dilutes the amount of salt in the water and in previous years I would have added salt back to keep the concentration up.
This year, however, I have decided to allow the salt concentration to diminish slowly and with every heavy rain shower; it becomes closer to pure water.
The chlorine reading (generally considered to be vital to the health of swimming pool water) is nearly zero now and the chlorinator cell is doing virtually nothing.

Any Pool Specialist will tell you that this will result in an increase in algae and a clouding of the pool water but in fact precisely the opposite seems to be happening.
There is now virtually no algae in the water which becomes clearer by the day.
This suggests that the standard view of Water is seriously flawed and that even this pathetic attempt to recreate the dynamics of a mountain stream are appreciated greatly by the water flowing through it.

I feel sure that the Orgonite Dodecahedron is playing a significant part is charging the water with the etheric energy that exist in Nature (albeit a Nature now all but lost to us).

One overall thought on the subject of Water:
I have become increasingly convinced that Water (in its various manifestations) constitutes the Super-Conductor for the world's Etheric Energy.
Whether in the form of glaciers, the water in the streams, lakes and oceans, the sap in the trees, the dampness in the soil, the humidity in the air, the clouds in the sky or the rain which falls to the ground; Water is everywhere and generally seems to be closely associated with the etheric health of any region.

As if in illustration of this; perhaps the most unexpected result of this experiment is that the vegetation on the garden surrounding the pool almost immediately began to grow much more strongly.
Leaf sizes are as much as double and the flowering shrubs have many more blooms.
This is true of the plants in pots as much as those planted directly in the ground.
The grass of the lawn is much greener and more compact and now needs cutting more often than before.
This is also the case with the plants and trees of the entire village well beyond the boundaries of our garden.

As soon as I noticed this; I realized that it must be due to etheric energy-flow and nothing to do with nutrients in the soil or the amount of water or sunshine that the plants receive (as none of these factors has changed).
Either the large body of previously de-energized water in the ground was drawing energy from the surrounding area (both above and below ground) or the newly energized pool water is radiating energy to its surroundings (perhaps both).

Only some while later did I come across a schematic drawing in a Schauberger book of a 'Repulsator' for re-energizing large areas of farmland.
There was more than one version of this but each consisted of an egg-shaped sealed cavitiy underground and about 2 meters tall.
One was circulated by means of a small engine on the surface and the other two were passively circulated.
Two contained 'energized water' and the third contained liquid manure.


Further to the above: I just wanted to report that a couple of days ago, the salt-concentration in the pool fell to 100 ppl (standard is 500 ppl).
Apparently running a Chlorinator Cell with insufficient salt in the water shortens its life so (as it didn't seem to be doing much anyway) I turned the cell off.
This means that the pool is now running with only the naturalistic and orgone-charged system described above which contradicts all guidelines on swimming pool water care and yet the water remains crystal clear and algae-free.

It should be remembered that at present only about half the water passing through the pool pump and filter is diverted to the naturalistic system; the remainder being returned to the pool via parallel plastic pipes.
I intend to expand the capacity of the system so that all the water circulated may be treated naturalistically.


The current system is very similar to the original but now all the water circulated by the pool pump is sent through the 'naturalistic' system which is very simple:
The water is sent straight into a large plastic bucket where it swirls around freely and overflows through a short plastic pipe into the 'river' section.
The plastic bucket is sitting inside an orgonite dodecahedron which seems to charge the water with positive Chi as it passes through.
There is a handful or two of raw crystals sitting in the bottom of the bucket too.
The water flows over and around a number of rocks of different sizes causing it to tumble and swirl, compress and stretch, bubble and gurgle happily on its way before falling a short distance directly into the main body of the pool.

The result is crystal clear water which is soft to the skin and more buoyant than regular pool water.
The need for chemicals like Chlorine and algaecide is reduced dramatically and the energetic output of this 'living' water is clearly visible in the health of the plants, trees and grass surrounding it.
This is true of all the trees in neighboring gardens too; demonstrating the verity of Schouberger's assertions regarding the powerful etheric properties of living water.


I have some additional information regarding this Naturalistic water circulation system based on recent changes.

As I mentioned in the previous update; it resembles the original set-up but now circulates all the pool water through the system and none through the old pipe system and seems to be working to perfection.

The first system had no spiral vortex and seemed to lack something when I added one; which puzzled me.
Then I heard it said that water remembers all its experience and only ‘forgets’ it when it evaporates and falls anew as rain.
It was also suggested that this spiral vortex has the same effect of rebasing water’s memory.

If true; this may explain why the water was less vibrant with the vortex in place than without.
Each time the water went through the chaos pool inside the orgonite dodecahedron, flowed past rocks and down a waterfall; it’s experience was a positive one and enlivened it greatly.

When it passed next through the vortex however; it forgot this and started again from zero; rather as though (in experiential terms) the water only ever had the chance of passing through the Naturalistic system once.

When I removed the vortex from the system; the water became ever more vitalized with each circulation and accumulated positive experience constantly.
This can be seen both in the continuous improvement of the water quality in the pool and the heath and vitality of the natural environment surrounding it.

Another item of information concerns the shape of the pot being used for the chaos pool.
The original terracotta pot was egg-shaped (with the pointed end at the bottom) and was very successful (as Schauberger would have predicted from the outset).

When I expanded the system; I found no such shape in the size I required so chose a cylindrical bucket.
Even without the spiral vortex; the water was never quite as good as with the original egg-shaped chaos pool.
Then I chanced to find a large plastic egg-shaped bucket and installed it at once.
Immediately; the characteristics of the water began to reflect those of the original system but more so due to the fact that all the water is now circulating through the Naturalistic Circulation system.



http://www.ethericresearch.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29&sid=b0f951d312a7edfaaf0a40bff908cb0e



If the system improves the health of the surrounding vegetation without ever coming into contact with it, imagine the benefits you could have from watering plants with energized water?

[Dawn]

Living Food: Straight pipes and 90 degree turns are unnatural and quickly make the water's energy harmful. In nature flowing water always meanders back and forth [think streams] because this energizes the water; running over the rocks/gravel in streambeds also energizes the water by creating mini-vortexes. These conditions can be mimicked to create a cheap, natural water energizer system.

Instead of using straight pipes, set up a system where the water forms a vortex as it travels and add some mineralized rocks. Instant, cheap, very effective water energizer. Here's the account of someone who tried this:

Living Food... wow, thanks for your post! That’s what I’d like... an orgonite dodecahedron, and a system which is so alive that it charges the surrounding area with life force! I have put that on my wish list!


Arrowind: Thanks Dawn. Can you provide a photo or a link for these magnets you used?

We uses ceramic ring magnets because they are not too strong. The water must enter the magnets at the N pole and exit at the S pole in order to structure the water properly. If you Google ‘ceramic ring magnets’ as a search term you will get lots of options for purchase. Here is an example on Amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.com/Ceramic-Magnets-Outer-Diameter-0-865/dp/B005HY90KA/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1357767634&sr=8-4&keywords=ceramic+ring+magnets

Neo magnets are too strong and cancel their own effect out. To understand how and why this is I recommend the ebook: Magnet Secrets by Peter Lindemann http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6972-magnet-secrets-peter-lindemann-new-release.html

We use 6 of these magnets on our house water line, and 4 on our garden line. Also...after we steam distill our drinking water, we pour it through a household funnel. We have 3 ring magnets held in place with a simple rubber band on the outside of the funnel ‘spout’ at the bottom. These magnets are inexpensive.


Arrowind: When our house is complete I plan on installing a www.photonicwater.com device into the line. It will bifurcate under the house and lines will go to the garden as well as into all the house. Essentially its a device that votexes the water in line.

Thanks for this Arrowind, I had forgotten about these, and they are wonderful, though very expensive. I spent some time researching online for something that worked well but was not as expensive. I am purchasing this one: https://www.fractalwater.com/products/tri-ploder-vortex/
If all goes as planned I may take it apart and use one of the 3 implode-vortexes on the garden water before the magnets. I also plan to leave the ring magnets around the water line after the implode-vortex. This company sells a device for double the price which includes magnets inside. I think our home made improvement with the ring magnets will provide the same effect for a fraction of the cost to us.

[jbins]

Good thread, loved all the input especially the organite pool how cool! was just reading some of the William Albrecht papers in the last few days and had a few a-ha! moments. I highly recommend reading some if you have not already and are interested in gardening or food in general (Soil Fertility and Animal Health is a particularly good one). Brought a lot of things into perspective for me. Then I stumbled upon this thread in my wanderings today and thought i'd give it a lil bump!