Just in from Duncan, for those who follow his work. "2013 ... A New Year, or a Nightmare ...pt 1 "

[astrid]

Hi all , this message just came in from Duncan via email, and i have
permission to re post it here.


2013 ... A New Year, or a Nightmare ...pt 1

Well, here we are. At the end of the year 2012.
The world didn't blow up and no body ascended. Big surprise, right? Yeah, I know ...
OK, I haven't written anything for quite a while. Been kind of busy. Things to do, problems to take care of.
A lot of time (well ok, a little time) over the past few weeks has been spent putting an end to the
whole FWH/Idylwild group. Yep, all done. All information and evidence has been turned over to the Feds.
Now, what they do, if anything, is up to them. I really don't care. Want to know why?
'CAUSE THERE AIN'T NO TIME LEFT!
That's right. No time left. It's here.
You think 2012 was bad? Well, just like the song says, "You ain't seen nothing yet!"
Are you ready? Good! 'Cause here goes:
OH, wait. During the past several months "some people" have tried very hard to "find out things about me."
Yeah, I know, it's funny.
But here you go.
Hi! My name is Duncan. A lot of people call me Bobby -- I answer to that, too.
I'm barely 5ft 7in tall, I weigh 234 lbs, I have 18 inch arms and a 33 inch waist and I can run a mile flat out (sorry, no bum knee).
I like to listen to AC/DC while I drive. Fast. Really, really fast.
AND I have a couple of famous cousins. One being Dakota Fanning.
Now I hope this helps all you brown nosers out there.
We done with this?
Good! Let's move on ...
This coming year is the beginning of the end game. This is something Miranda and I have talked much on over the past
few years. Mostly with Randy Maugans and Dave Corso. I would suggest you go back and give them a listen.
We are going to say much the same here as we have talked about in those interviews. You see, we don't change.
Never have, never will. We don't put out dates for things to happen and then, when it doesn't, just push the date ahead,
then try and blame the "space brothers being late" for the change of date. BS.
That's a good place to start. The "space brothers." Guess what? It ain't happening! Deal with it.
Neither is ascension, or the rapture, or Nesara or TPTB all being arrested and a new heaven on earth ... debt free!
Get this straight ... A WAR IS COMING! Hell, it has been building with people and events being put into place for hundreds
of years!You think TPTB/NWO has lost? That they're going to go away? Then you're a fool.
If I hurt your feelings with that statement ... GOOD! It's time you ALL started thinking for yourselves!
Have you taken a really good look around you lately? It's time you did. See ANY changes for the good? You won't.
Things are only going to get worse. MUCH worse, and damn soon. This is it, boys and girls. The war for your souls.
Ha,ha,ha...no, I'm not a bible-thumper. Although, a lot of what is in the bible is valid. Remember, much of the bible was taken
from much older writings.
This war is about the human soul. Not the only thing ... but a very big part of it. And ... I know this is something most of you do not want to hear.
Well, it's about damn time you heard the truth and I hope it slaps you in the face and rattles your teeth!
Now hear this, None of you are going to ascend! There will be no space brothers to beam your ass away and God don't want you for a neither a sun nor a moonbeam!
It doesn't matter how many times you go to Egypt with "meditation groups" or believe what a wrapped up mummy ET tells you ... THE ONLY PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET
WHO CAN SAVE YOU....IS YOU!
Pissed off yet?
GOOD! I'm just getting started.
This planet, Earth, isn't the only location this war is affecting. That's right, humans aren't at the top of the food chain like most of you
want to believe.
But ... BUT. Humans have something the bad guys want. Your soul. And boys and girls, they want it bad!
You see, the human soul is pure energy. Doesn't matter if it's dark or bright, it's still pure energy.
That is want "they" want. They want you as an energy source. Some of you have given your soul over to them freely already. Most
of you for a cheap asking price, too, by the way.
Hate to break the news to ya but, you're lost, gone. Once you give your soul to another via your own free will, that contract is binding!
You might want to read that several more times, all of you who are sitting on the fence with your soul.
Now then, as my very old friend Dusty Rhodes would say, let's move on.
WE have been fighting this war for a very, very long time and our time is almost here.
You see, there are a few of us whose job is to TRY and let the human race have a fighting chance. Some of us do care.
We received an email some time ago that said, "It seems like you don't care much for the human race."
WRONG!
The human race (as a whole) has spit in our faces and kicked us when we were down. Has laughed at us, shunned us, and mostly treated us
like crap (note" US refers to ALL who are fighting for the the human race. NOT just Miranda and myself and MK ULTRA people).
So, let me respond to that person's email here.
This is what I said to a large council where the debate was whether or not the human race should be allowed to continue.
I said, "The human race deserves a right to learn and grow without outside influence. To stand and walk on their own!"
(Yes, I made my Godmother proud! He,he, sorry couldn't resist).
Yes, boys and girls, there are those out there willing to die for the human race to have a fighting chance. Are you?

So, what's on the way?

"They" are going to take away your guns for one, and going to do it soon! Like, in weeks.
Here's a little something for all you to think about...
Remember all those reports of foreign troops being brought in to have "joint training excerises with American troops?" Remember those times?
Anyone remember them ... uh ... leaving?
Didn't think so. They have a job to do and all of you will be seeing them on the streets very soon.
All the mass killings over the past several years have been but a part of "their" plan, and over half of the population of this country
have fallen for their BS! Much like you have fallen for the New Age crap and a good deal of the co-opted and impotent "alternative media."
But, you all want to know what the kicker is?
Really?
OK. All the gun grabbing with martial law, the collapse of the dollar and the U.S economy is nothing but a cover for what will really happen!
Just keeps getting deeper and darker, doesn't it? Well, it is about that time.
If I took the time to write everything that is going to happen here my fingers would fall off! Hey, I kinda need them, I have several archery
tournaments to compete in soon.
Enough to say, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY OF YOU GIVE OVER YOUR SOULS WILL DETERMINE HOW BAD AND HOW LONG THINGS ARE!
If you must die, then die with your soul intact!
After all, there really is no such thing as death.
Now, what are you going to do?
Start looking for more dates to lock onto? Go for it.
Find another guru to follow? Done a lot of good in the past, hasn't it?
Find yourself another new age radio host to follow. OK, even I think that one is funny.
Want my advice?
Well then stop reading!
Here it is anyway ...
START TAKING CARE OF YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILIES, YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND OTHERS!
Start acting like humans! Not slaves!
Get off your damn knees and start fighting!
Won't work until you get off your ass, first.
We need all the help we can get.
For us, this little prayer works to help us keep our chins up:

Lo there do I see my father
Lo there do I see my mother and my sisters and my brothers
Lo there do I see the line of my people, back to the begining
LO they do call to me, they bid me take my place among them
In the halls of VALHALLA
Where the brave may live
Forever.

It's time to be brave....are you ready?


duncanofinioan.com "

I will post any subsequent parts here, as they come through.
Thanks

Blessings,
Astrid

[Referee]

I think he speaks the truth. It lines up pretty well with Lindsay Williams Like him or not!

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Well, he did let us know what he thinks is going to happen. A bit.

Have you noticed a pattern in Duncan's posts? For years now his posts repeat the same pattern:

1. Doom!
2. You're all fools!
3. Everyone hates me and I'm the one fighting for you!
4. Doom!
5. Get off your ass!

He doesn't piss me off, but it does tire me out. Why does he think what he says pisses everyone off? I just don't get it.

And now he's quoting The 13th Warrior.

Duncan, come have a taco with us. We'll listen. You don't have to yell, man.

[ThePythonicCow]

Hi all , this message just came in from Duncan via email, and i have
permission to re post it here.




Get this straight ... A WAR IS COMING! Hell, it has been building with people and events being put into place for hundreds
of years! You think TPTB/NWO has lost? That they're going to go away? Then you're a fool.
If I hurt your feelings with that statement ... GOOD! It's time you ALL started thinking for yourselves!
Have you taken a really good look around you lately? It's time you did. See ANY changes for the good? You won't.
Things are only going to get worse. MUCH worse, and damn soon. This is it, boys and girls. The war for your souls.
...
START TAKING CARE OF YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILIES, YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND OTHERS!
Thanks astrid; thanks Duncan.

I quoted a couple of lines from Duncan's message, as an appetizer for the rest of his message.

[Godiam]

Nothing like sprouting FEAR PORN to the masses!

FFS..... We create our own reality, why buy into someone elses fear filled version?

Choose to create LOVE around you, Where LOVE resides, Fear has no effect!

HUGS...........Godiam

[markpierre]

Nothing like sprouting FEAR PORN to the masses!

FFS..... We create our own reality, why buy into someone elses fear filled version?

Choose to create LOVE around you, Where LOVE resides, Fear has no effect!

HUGS...........Godiam

So how's your 'creation' looking?
Is it 'out of sight, out of mind'? Or 'out of mind, out of sight'?

Hugs

[Calz]

Nothing like sprouting FEAR PORN to the masses!

FFS..... We create our own reality, why buy into someone elses fear filled version?

Choose to create LOVE around you, Where LOVE resides, Fear has no effect!

HUGS...........Godiam

So how's your 'creation' looking?
Is it 'out of sight, out of mind'? Or 'out of mind, out of sight'?

Hugs

With respect to you both ... what is the worst case scenarnio???

death???

how many thousands of times have we been down that road???

take a deep breath and try to connect to what we are here to accomplish ... yes???

[norman]

What was the meeting where it was being debated whether the human race should be allowed to continue?

[Hervé]

Nothing like sprouting FEAR PORN to the masses!

FFS..... We create our own reality, why buy into someone elses fear filled version?

Choose to create LOVE around you, Where LOVE resides, Fear has no effect!

HUGS...........Godiam

So how's your 'creation' looking?
Is it 'out of sight, out of mind'? Or 'out of mind, out of sight'?

Hugs

With respect to you both ... what is the worst case scenarnio???

death???

how many thousands of times have we been down that road???

take a deep breath and try to connect to what we are here to accomplish ... yes???

Has any of the above ever worked?

2000 years of prayers to that one god?

2500 years of meditations?

10,000 years of prayers to various gods to ending slavery and suffering?

Time to clearly discover the actual target and the actual, effective, efficient methods to do away with it.

[markpierre]

Nothing like sprouting FEAR PORN to the masses!

FFS..... We create our own reality, why buy into someone elses fear filled version?

Choose to create LOVE around you, Where LOVE resides, Fear has no effect!

HUGS...........Godiam

So how's your 'creation' looking?
Is it 'out of sight, out of mind'? Or 'out of mind, out of sight'?

Hugs

With respect to you both ... what is the worst case scenarnio???

death???

how many thousands of times have we been down that road???

take a deep breath and try to connect to what we are here to accomplish ... yes???


Well we've been down that road a fair few, and again inevitably, no matter what the outcome.

From my point of view, you change yourself. Or fully participate with the changes that are occurring.
You see them occurring around you and you feel what you feel. That's it occurring inside.
Feel it. It's changing you. Don't have a drink or a cigarette.
If it feels crap feel crap. Sure, have that deep breath.
As you change, you think differently. You behave differently.
You have different ideas and you're clearer and compelled to different things. You're far far better at seeing what's actually around you.
I'd say do that first. With that mind you can do almost anything.
With this mind? So far it's frozen. What you do with this mind is whatever you like. Be hopeful, be fearful, be crazy,
build tree houses, track criminals. Nothing happens.

I'd say finding the balance between the hemispheres and applying that to decision making
is a prerequisite to decision making.

[Elly]

(...) from Duncan via email (...)

But ... BUT. Humans have something the bad guys want. Your soul. And boys and girls, they want it bad!
You see, the human soul is pure energy. Doesn't matter if it's dark or bright, it's still pure energy.
That is want "they" want. They want you as an energy source. Some of you have given your soul over to them freely already. Most
of you for a cheap asking price, too, by the way.

I was wondering if any of you following Duncan regularly could tell if he has ever elaborated on the above information.

[Fred Steeves]

Yeah, I do agree that Duncan could use a chill pill. A lot of us can see something's been long brewing too, and is quite possibly upon us now, but no need to keep running around with our hair on fire and insulting people. Anyway, I did find his following comment of paramount importance. This should be rule #1.


If you must die, then die with your soul intact!

[Maia Gabrial]

I really like Duncan O'Finioan. He's interesting and he has alot to share. I even like his attitude. But this is probably the gloomiest of all of his messages. What I want to know is if he's actually privy to TPTW's plans? Does he actually have an inside to all of their plans? I mean, does he sit in on their meetings? I'm not talking about gathering inside info from the chatter among the "foot soldiers", but the secret talks of the "inside/upper echelon"....?

I thank Duncan for caring about all of us to warn us of the evil plans. He couldn't have said it more ominously. But then I've been up with the sleep gone from my eyes. I'm hearing what he's saying.... Could it be that since TPTW's plans are not coming to fruition fast enough, that they need to resort to more deceptions and fearmongering? People are waking up, albeit just not fast enough; so they're still susceptible to the fear and manipulations.... but I wonder if seeing the worst happen before their eyes will THAT kick their *sses in gear....h Instant alertness, ya know?

One thing I learned from psychology is that when it comes to humans they're predictably UNpredictable. Couple that with their Haphazard use of their divine authority, that could be why TPTW aren't totally successful... at least, that's what I think anyway.

[Mu2143]

I don't talk much about my dreams and vision here , but he is right with what he is saying.You need to get spiritual inside on what is going on and then look around you what is happening.
Most people are doing the same thing what they have been doing all the time.

[ulli]

At least Duncan is not offering any bribes.
And selling one's soul really is the ultimate loss
unless it is done to help others save theirs.
Maybe this is Duncan's main issue...
that he is learning to live with guilt
and fears that he might have lost his own soul.
I wouldn't judge him for that...in fact, I wish I could help him find redemption.

[intruth]

I think Duncan is relaying what TPTW have planned to implement. I don't think it's going to go down the way they wanted. Hey, we were supposed to be going to FEMA camps by now. There's too much positive energy flowing in and we are getting much needed assistance from our ET/ED friends.

[gripreaper]

Yeah, I do agree that Duncan could use a chill pill. A lot of us can see something's been long brewing too, and is quite possibly upon us now, but no need to keep running around with your hair on fire and insulting people. Anyway, I did find his following comment of paramount importance. This should be rule #1.


If you must die, then die with your soul intact!

and this is the salient point:


You see, the human soul is pure energy. Doesn't matter if it's dark or bright, it's still pure energy. That is want "they" want. They want you as an energy source.

So, the antithesis of: They're comin ta get ya, and they're after your soul, so you better wake up soon cause the sh!t is about to hit the fan is:

Energy. How do you generate it, magnify it, focus it, and emanate it. So, when Duncan says,
START TAKING CARE OF YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILIES, YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND OTHERS! Start acting like humans! do it in a way that is edifying and passionate with energy. How many of us succumbed to fear, anger or grief from the Sandy Hook massacre?

Most here at Avalon practice personal vitality in order to keep their bodies in shape, by not drinking fluoridated water, eating GMO foods, and by taking mineral supplements, exercising, and meditating. This is where it starts. They have their fiscal houses in order, participate in the corporatocracy as little as possible, and support their local communities, farmers, and vendors.

Next, communicate with your friends and family and speak your truth, no matter what the outcome.

[humanalien]

I like duncan. He shoots from the hip and he doesn't
care if he offends anyone. He calls it as he sees it.

How-ever, i do wish that he would make a full disclosure
of what he knows. I'm sure there is more, that he is not
telling us.

Concerning his Godmother, i thought he once disclosed
that she wasn't human. Does anyone else remember this
or am i remembering wrong?

If it's true, would it endanger her if her species was revealed?

[Debra]

http://wolfspiritradio.com/archive/01_Wolf_Spirit_Radio/2012-12-28-WSR-Duncan-and-Miranda-with-JayP-AndrewB-KathyB-topics-crystals-and-more.mp3

Dave Corso talks with Duncan and Miranda yesterday 28-12-12 ... both expand on the email in this OP and more some.
Whatever these two have done, what they do with their lives now - in my estimation - is ALL THAT MATTERS.
And is why I care to listen to what they have to say.
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For those who cannot see the above feature, here is the url: http://wolfspiritradio.com/archive/01_Wolf_Spirit_Radio/2012-12-28-WSR-Duncan-and-Miranda-with-JayP-AndrewB-KathyB-topics-crystals-and-more.mp3

[9eagle9]

I have a question. How SHOULD one feel about something like that?

Angry is wrong.

Not caring is wrong.

Happy seems inappropriate.

hmm…..
People all screaming "do something, let’s fight the powers that be" but when you do…you are accused of being mean, bitter and angry. Do something and when you do….you are shouted down by the very people who insisted we need to ‘do’ something.

I’m coming to the realization that getting out from under thousands of years of corruption should be done with a feather duster so they people ailing from this corruption doesn’t get upset.

Soul harvesting has been occurring for thousands of years in obvious and subtle ways. The minute you bought into David Wilcocks or Drake as the next messiah there went another piece of your heart now, baby. It doesn’t wait till you die, the combine starts up in the psyche while one is still living and sucks the silage up taking away pieces at a time while one is still walking around, then the carving board comes out when you pass, you get spit back out again here, less than you were before you got sucked into the hay baler.

Mind people who are AWARE of the matrix of this operation don't have a lot to worry about. They are fairly well preserved...the question is should they care about those who are not? It's a damned if you do scenario if you do. And damned if you don't scenario if you don't?

Granted in the long run this ‘might’ not make any difference but a rather intact soul is rather necessary to having a balanced life here on earth. Maybe we can’t have a balanced life at all until that one component is sucked free of us that allows this sort of manipulation .How many times do people want to go through that cycle. A lot apparently just so we avoid that nasty word ‘fear mongering’.

Hey they may be doing us a favor.

But how long do we have to wait for a ‘better ‘ day.

I’ll draw a comparison for Fred Steeves. Duncan is angry for the same reason I am that you posted a thread that basically invites people to make agreement to soul harvesting. Of course I can’t dare say a word about it because that would be ‘mean’ and ‘unloving’.

I’m fairly certain ( but not altogether ) that was not your intention. Yet you got the agreement that agents of that sort of thing need , that is soul harvesting on its own. It has to be done with one’s agreement. You can’t let the vampire in the door until you agree to let him. They have unconscious agreement to that already; they crave conscious agreement. It primes the pump so to speak. That way they are made comfortable that their system is still rock solid. They don't have so much work to do if they can get folks to agree to do it on their own or for them.

When I see people do that I’m TOLD I’m bitter and angry. Right? Right Fred. That’s what I am. Just like Duncan.

So.. I should just turn away from it right? I understand now this is WRONG, like a character flaw to feel some anger over this. I shouldn’t even mention it. Someone might feel uncomfortable. I mean people having their soul taken by them a drib and drab at time is nothing compared to the horror of feeling uncomfortable at someone elses anger over the cycle we put ourselves through over and again, walking in the revolving door once more and then complaining about it.

I really am not advanced (or uncaring enough) enough to watch people commit spiritual suicide daily and drag others down with them to the point I can go ‘oh ho hum’ I think I’ll get a donut. Then we can be accused of being without compassion, not caring, not being fired up enough to do something about.

Do you ****, go blind or go crazy?


Here’s my question.

What is the correct emotion when you watch someone giving away their soul and then encouraging others to do the same all puppeted along by the corruption in the breech of our psyches? Because seriously we can’t get angry but then not caring is not right either. It is by the choices people make. So many people sold their souls to 12-21-12 propaganda and aren’t feeling very good these days. The best of the lot of them have the wherewithal to feel foolish. The rest are hunting up more propaganda to sweeten the honey pot with.

What sort of emotion should be exhibited to make everyone feel comfortable about what they are doing to themselves?

Poll?

Help us please we don’t KNOW how to feel about you all committing spiritual suicide in a way that makes you comfortable with it. How do we act at the funeral? Laugh? Cry? Say please don't die?

We don’t know how to become comfortable with that sort of thing? I suppose if we did we'd be harvested already.

God knows you aren’t supposed to rile up the dying or torment them while they are their deathbeds.

The correct feeling please?

Because we can’t stop it, we can't tell anyone, we can’t show them , we can’t correct them or tell them what they are doing to themselves.

But maybe those who have to watch the dying run over the edge into the combine...Maybe we can learn the 'appropriate' way to feel about all this.

We can’t do anything . If we stand mutely stand by and watch the lemmings run over the cliff we are then cold, uncaring, without compassion, mean bitter and angry. Then again we are so when we try to prevent people from running over the edge.

It seems the best course of action is to go crazy?

Watching someone blow their head off with a pistol is horrible. Being forced to watch someone commit spiritual suicide daily is horrible knowing all the while if you say anything you might hurt someone's feelings.

Watching someone die of cancer which is one of the few obvious physical symptoms of harvesting is horrible. Not being able to say a word about it because some one will get offended.

How do we process our emotions concerning this.

Correct emotion please? Correct course of action please?

Because if we process this in a way that makes everyone comfortable we are no better than the ones who initiate the process in the first place.

Any suggestions?

[sleepy]

xxxxxx xxxxx

[9eagle9]

Fred care to share your 'baring of soul' 'could you do it' thread here?



"I’ll draw a comparison for Fred Steeves. Duncan is angry for the same reason I am that you posted a thread that basically invites people to make agreement to soul harvesting. Of course I can’t dare say a word about it because that would be ‘mean’ and ‘unloving’. "

9eagle9,

May I ask what thread Fred started inviting people to make an agreement to soul harvesting?

[sleepy]

I xxxxxxxx xxxx

[Kitty]

Just a short comment on the idea of selling one's soul for others. I've done this one in a past life and it's not a very good idea. I'm working through it, but it isn't the heroic and altruistic move that it seems like at the time.

[9eagle9]

I know you didn't see it Sleepy. Fred himself is probably not AWARE of what he's doing. I hope.

And the sad thing is..you can't tell people.

That's how they operate. That is how they get a strangle hold on people. This is what makes people angry because otherwise they'd fall into the depths of despair over it all--people's failure to SEE, to be AWAKE, and aware to how they operate on a psyche level. And you can't tell them because if you do 'you're mean'.

That is what we are trying to wake people up to. That is what Duncan is trying to wake people up to. How they get us to make agreement.

But no one is supposed to say anything about it, or get angry about. That too is part of the psy-ops.

Forgiveness is a sacred agreement. It's made only with the sacred not the corrupt, or empty constructs, images, imaginations, false idols, or anything else that is not sacred. Like any other contract you have to see the fine print.



I read that thread and I didn’t see Fred inviting anyone to make an agreement to have his or her soul harvested. We disagree on that but it is O.K. I don’t have a dog in this fight and I am not looking for anyone to save my soul. I am good. I will say that I enjoy Fred’s threads and that he asks some interesting and hard questions and makes me think. I enjoy some of your threads too. I am changing my original question to include the word allegedly.

To the OP, sorry for going off topic.

[RUSirius]

It seems the best course of action is to go crazy?



...the path I'm on lately, it seems...

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxxx

[Carmody]

How many of us succumbed to fear, anger or grief from the Sandy Hook massacre?


I'm not sure that I even changed the expression on my face. Response ....being part of the problem. And that it was natural, not even the slightest bit forced, this non-reaction.

For..... I have learned..through time, as we call it.

As for his message..the time I've always felt for any full motion to occur toward 'open fascism', is that it is going to have to be early spring.

They would need time to get it all rolling and functional, and in that case, they need, they require... a long term unified single weather block, regarding mobility and control of said ground-space.

The most indicative or 'dangerous' time period in a multi-seasonal weather climate within a given theater, is the spring. Indications, or murmurs would be in the pre-spring.

Thus February through April are key months to watch, for Europe or North America.

Reference battle and sequence planning for Europe, in WWII, Korea in the 50's, or the civil war of the US.

There..you will see the pattern of inevitable and necessary weather based planning of battles and their set up or preconditions, logistics and so on. Recall Moscow, for Napoleon and Hitler. That Hitler's initial advance toward Moscow..happened in July. Which is, frankly, idiotic. Way too late in the season for beginnings.

Watch for the signs of such in North American politics, business, military, and government.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I do think the thread should stay focused on the message, so please indulge me while I have one last word about the medium.

One of the first things I learned when I first traveled abroad is that the medium IS more important than the message. The reason for this is that if no one can hear you, it doesn't matter what you are saying. At the age of 18, I had long hair half way down my back and was teaching English in a culture that associated my hair with disrespect for authority, disrespect for the law and tradition, and basically being a shady character. I loved my long hair, but it was getting in the way of my mission. The teenager response would be to insist on my individual expression. Since my goals were more important than what I wanted for myself, I cut my hair and got on with my goals.

Duncan's method of communication comes across as unstable and bordering on psychosis. He really needs to ask himself who his message is going to reach and how it will affect them. What kind of person will respond to this shrill, panicked rage and how will they respond? Is his message more important than his insistence on "being who he is"? That's his call, I guess.

I'm not down on Duncan at all. He's worked hard to educate, instruct, and I'm sure he's done lots of unsung work that we will never know about.

I just think he needs to take a step back and think strategically about his presentation. Is it in line with his stated goals?

"To master people takes force,
but to master yourself takes strength."

-Lao Tzu

Whatever comes, I will face it with calm serenity, judge the best course of action, and then move decisively. Unchecked emotional reactions will leave us open to manipulation on many levels. Have passion, but do not let passion have you. Ok, enough Yoda talk. Thank you for listening.

[blake]

Yeah, I do agree that Duncan could use a chill pill. A lot of us can see something's been long brewing too, and is quite possibly upon us now, but no need to keep running around with our hair on fire and insulting people. Anyway, I did find his following comment of paramount importance. This should be rule #1.


If you must die, then die with your soul intact!

Hello Fred,

Indeed, the above is a very nice quote. But words have different meanings to different people. Do you think you interpret that sentence in the same way that Duncon meant it? I am wondering how you define a soul, and what you mean by being able to die with it intact?

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[Carmody]

I think Duncan is relaying what TPTW have planned to implement. I don't think it's going to go down the way they wanted. Hey, we were supposed to be going to FEMA camps by now. There's too much positive energy flowing in and we are getting much needed assistance from our ET/ED friends.

You might be getting all the help in the universe, but one thing remains: that it is still, irredeemably and unstoppably--- all on your head and within your acts.

[Dorjezigzag]

There is some I don't agree with Duncan, but I actually appreciate that he speaks with little filter.

There is a lot of talk on this forum about being more diplomatic and I guess that has its place, but be careful that in being diplomatic you do not become something you are not. The deepest concern should not be the style of presentation but its authenticity.

A video clip to ponder

TbudOHdtAPM

[Carmody]

It seems the best course of action is to go crazy?



...the path I'm on lately, it seems...


'Tis a prerequisite for finding sanity.

Empty the box so it can be re-organized along the new lines, with new data.

something that is not specifically related, but can't be bothered to make a new post to make it appear separate, as comments go. something that just flew in out of the wind:

Isn't it interesting, that as we grow, we grow out of emulating others and becoming our authentic selves?

And that when others see this....they emulate it? :p :rolleyes:

[humanalien]

In response to 9eagle9 post, you can warn people about
what they are doing wrong and if they choose not to listen,
then you simple wash your hands of them.

Jesus sort of says the same thing when he tells us to wipe
the dust off of our feet and walk away from the unbelievers.
Not an exact quote but something to that affect.

Duncan is right though, to many of you are just all to willing
to follow the likes of david wilcock, john kettler, david icke,
bob dean and many many more. They fill your heads with
wishes and rainbows and a lot of you swallow this stuff right
up. These are the guru's that most of you choose to follow
and by doing that, you give up your souls to them.

Is duncans message to us true? Who knows. I have no idea
where he gets his information but if his godmother is an alien
in human form then i choose not to believe a word he says
either. In my belief, all aliens are fallen angels and i have no
need for them.

[Selene]

Setting aside the form or format of Duncan’s comments here - and our own personal emotional reactions to his style of communicating - we might perhaps pay some more careful attention to the content of his message.

To dismiss his message as ‘fear porn’ is one way of ducking the tough issues he raises, buffering them with a soft blanket of blind denial. Not all bad news is intended merely for effect. Sometimes it’s true, and must be dealt with accordingly.

To say “I wouldn’t have phrased it that way…” without examining the message itself is another form of deflecting a more meaningful discussion. (And I do respect that such comments are intended as a sincere effort to support Duncan at some level.)

But willful blindness will not help you when TSHTF. And at some point style becomes a luxury when issues of life and death are at the fore.

Duncan is nobody’s fool. He’s pointing out a critical issue for Avalonians: It ain’t over yet. We haven’t “won” anything. No one else is going to rescue us. Fluffy thoughts will not feed you for breakfast, nor keep your family safe. (I respect what many have said here, that personal death is incidental, but like many I do feel some responsibility for the safety and continuity of humanity at large, especially the children.)

And everything “out there” still indicates that:

• We aren’t out of the woods yet,

• That many dark (human) forces are still attempting to further enslave humanity, and

• That these forces are clever, well-equipped and dominant.

• They are largely amoral, criminal, and not restrained by moral or ethical concerns.

• They have succeeded in implementing the vast majority of their agenda to date.

• We are at a critical juncture,

• And there’s no cavalry coming to rescue our earth or its inhabitants. We will have to do this ourselves.


And before you moan ”But what do you expect me to do about this?”, I refer us all to Kerry Cassidy’s reply:

“Do whatever you can.”

Sorry to be so blunt. But 2013 looks to be another long and interesting year.

Cheers,

Selene

[ThePythonicCow]

That Hitler's initial advance toward Moscow..happened in July. Which is, frankly, idiotic.
Especially Moscow of all places, where the winter weather strongly favors the home team.

[enfoldedblue]

I have always liked Duncan. I like his no BS style. I do not know if what he says will occur will, but I certainly think it possible. However I think that Duncan makes the mistake of assuming that everyone has to play in the same vein he does. Let's face it we are not all super-soldiers, and if we do not feel that our mission at this stage in the game is to go to battle, then what he presents here can be fear inducing. Personally I believe that being aware is very important, but that there are different ways to deal with this awareness. I believe that as the hell Duncan describes begins to unfold un Earth, there will be contrasting pockets where real love and human spirit prevail. I believe that if we do our inner work and stop fearing our own darkness, then we will find ourselves exactly where we need to be, doing exactly what we need to be doing. I like his final recommendations. For me this is the real key is to reach out and connect with those around us.

[Selene]

... Let's face it we are not all super-soldiers, .....Personally I believe that being aware is very important, but that there are different ways to deal with this awareness. I believe that as the hell Duncan describes begins to unfold un Earth, there will be contrasting pockets where real love and human spirit prevail. I believe that if we do our inner work and stop fearing our own darkness, then we will find ourselves exactly where we need to be, doing exactly what we need to be doing. I like his final recommendations. For me this is the real key is to reach out and connect with those around us.

EnfoldedBlue, your comments are wise, as always.

Yes, that’s exactly what Duncan means, what Kerry means, what I’d like to support:

Real change, real growth, real inner (and therefore external) strength can come only from inner change. Individual change. We must become that which we wish to behold: true exemplars of truth, love and compassion.

Begin from where you are now. That’s all each of us can ever do. But none of us can predict how far this individual action will carry us all – and it will - toward our mutual goal.

It is this simple – and this challenging.

Cheers,

Selene

[Gekko]

Would someone please define how one "sells their soul", in the context of what this article is trying to communicate? Or has this been defined elsewhere? He speaks of it like it were a choice between hot dogs and potato chips, that simply happens one day and then everything's decided. Off you go to eternal slavery and damnation.

Is it simply being submissive to TPTB? Actively engaging in deception and abuse? At what specific point does one "cash the check" and cross over to the dark side? If there are definite and severe consequences either way, there needs to be a specific explanation of the mechanism. Otherwise it's just floundering in obscurity.

[jjjones]

9eagle9 & pa friends, no answer, just a definition, "Hell" is dying & taking ones last breath & knowing you lied to yourself. this reply may seem to make no sense, but in essence it says alot and no disrespect intended to anyone. namaste, peace and love universally!

[WhiteFeather]

Thanks for the heads up Duncan. They can try to take my soul, but there gonna have to pry it from my cold dead bodily cavity first. And then i still aint giving up that easily. You thought a bear was very protective over her cubs. It aint happening captain. You haven't seen me in action. Im well equipped for my cub family of 5. When hulk gets mad, then hulk will smash puny soul stealers.


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[music]

9eagle9: I’ll draw a comparison for Fred Steeves. Duncan is angry for the same reason I am that you posted a thread that basically invites people to make agreement to soul harvesting. Of course I can’t dare say a word about it because that would be ‘mean’ and ‘unloving’.

I’m fairly certain ( but not altogether ) that was not your intention. Yet you got the agreement that agents of that sort of thing need , that is soul harvesting on its own. It has to be done with one’s agreement. You can’t let the vampire in the door until you agree to let him. They have unconscious agreement to that already; they crave conscious agreement. It primes the pump so to speak. That way they are made comfortable that their system is still rock solid. They don't have so much work to do if they can get folks to agree to do it on their own or for them.

When I see people do that I’m TOLD I’m bitter and angry. Right? Right Fred. That’s what I am. Just like Duncan.


One would have thought you would have taken your self-imposed sabbatical and acheived some kind of internal growth but it appears that you have not grown at all. This is unbelievably tiresome, and is that even a veiled accusation that Fred is an agent? You, and the rest of Avalon, should know that I was told by another member that they wanted to post on this thread, but then saw that you (9eagle9) where on it, so they didn't. I'm betting there are a lot of people who withdraw from threads as soon as you come on to them for fear of feeling the sting of your poisin-dipped tongue. I very nearly posted a welcome back to you the first time I saw you re-posting, but I guess that was the Pollyanna in me.

Even though few will have the courage to openly thank me here for these words, many will be in agreement and, as usual, I will receive thanks by pm.

[Arrowwind]

Would someone please define how one "sells their soul", in the context of what this article is trying to communicate? Or has this been defined elsewhere? He speaks of it like it were a choice between hot dogs and potato chips, that simply happens one day and then everything's decided. Off you go to eternal slavery and damnation.

.

To me selling one's soul is doing work for profit that you know hurts others or the mother earth with full awareness of the fact. Its as simple as that. This could include complacent going along with the agenda because its too difficult or your too lazy to do otherwise. You can sell your soul, but you can also buy it back though redemptive acts

Duncan has a lot of predictions for the future and he makes the next year or two look grim. First he mocks those that look for dates then he says 2013 will be the worst. Whats he gonna do if nothing really big pans out as it didn't pan out for Geryl or Pane Andov. He says we have to fight it but he gives no recommendation of how to do that. He says to take care of each other and your neighbors.... well thats a no brainer, if I ever heard one. In that long diatribe he said absolutley nothing new, nothing really helpful to stand up to the forces that he says stand against us.

All in all Im not to impressed with him. He's like all the rest.

If you get into the negativity and anger that he projects thats a pretty crappy last year or two of life.... you sacrifice your worldly experience on the alter of yet more fear mongering, more intimidation, more listening to someone else rather than yourself.

My son spent about an hour the other day reviewing all the lives lost in all the recorded wars.. naming the wars and the number of people killed.
This **** has been going on forever and it will continue to go on as long as people buy into the war game. Everytime you kill to perpetuate your myth it takes 7 generations to undo the damage... if it can be undone at all.

So after listening to the summary of all the wars and all the dead over the course of 3,000 years or so, I would say, that yes, when I heard about the kids killed in Newtown, I understood, this is the way of humanity. I do not indulge in emotions that have nothing to do promoting my own evolution, nothing to do with change, nothing to do with anything really except levels of insanity that Im not personally participating in.

Do you know who killed the most people? Genghis Khan and and he and his forces did it with swords in the 13th century. It is estimated that one in 200 people today carry the DNA of Khan, due to all the woman he took and the dramatic reduction of population that he caused.

TPTB have always been around and the NWO has had a thousand incarnations.
And no, I dont believe that they are going to take away the guns of US citizens in the near future

Possesion of guns, statistically it has shown not to decrease crime. I just put up a post about that today.
Once emotions cool down a bit people will come to their senses. Already I doubt there is enough
pressure to actually disarm us. Most people do see the falacy of it. What they really do need to do is
get people off of psychoactive drugs and get them real help, like good nutrition,
We will see more and more of this type of crime as our food sources continue to degrade through
modern agricultural practices... couple that with vaccinations and you have a hells fire buring in the minds
of too many people

[Freed Fox]

I personally do not believe the military will turn against the citizens of the country. The military will always be more powerful than any grassroots militia (automatic weapons or not). There may be a small percentage who would go along with some kind of oppressive plan for the sake of the government, but I believe most go into service in order to serve their friends, family, and community (to preserve that way of life). The Nazis did not fall without teaching us a lesson. Perhaps I am overly optimistic, but I sincerely believe that Hitler will not rise again (nor anything comparable).

IF I am wrong, however, I will not go in fear or hate. If we see that we're going down, we can at least make sure that we are not brought down to their level.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, the simple fact that the military > militia (at least in the U.S.) is due to the level of citizen surveillance and tapping of telecommunications. If anything significant starts to form officially, it will unfortunately be nipped in the bud very early on. These individuals would then be made to look like would-be terrorists, prevented from harming the innocents by good ol' Homeland Security.

I digress; I prefer to focus on more positive potentialities of the future, and things which I can influence in a more tangible manner.

[Selene]

9eagle9: I’ll draw a comparison for Fred Steeves. Duncan is angry for the same reason I am that you posted a thread that basically invites people to make agreement to soul harvesting. Of course I can’t dare say a word about it because that would be ‘mean’ and ‘unloving’.

I’m fairly certain ( but not altogether ) that was not your intention. Yet you got the agreement that agents of that sort of thing need , that is soul harvesting on its own. It has to be done with one’s agreement. You can’t let the vampire in the door until you agree to let him. They have unconscious agreement to that already; they crave conscious agreement. It primes the pump so to speak. That way they are made comfortable that their system is still rock solid. They don't have so much work to do if they can get folks to agree to do it on their own or for them.

When I see people do that I’m TOLD I’m bitter and angry. Right? Right Fred. That’s what I am. Just like Duncan.


One would have thought you would have taken your self-imposed sabbatical and acheived some kind of internal growth but it appears that you have not grown at all. This is unbelievably tiresome, and is that even a veiled accusation that Fred is an agent? You, and the rest of Avalon, should know that I was told by another member that they wanted to post on this thread, but then saw that you (9eagle9) where on it, so they didn't. I'm betting there are a lot of people who withdraw from threads as soon as you come on to them for fear of feeling the sting of your poisin-dipped tongue. I very nearly posted a welcome back to you the first time I saw you re-posting, but I guess that was the Pollyanna in me.

Even though few will have the courage to openly thank me here for these words, many will be in agreement and, as usual, I will receive thanks by pm.

Well, no, not from me at any rate.

But I do have to ask (publically): Music, are you always this mean spirited, or does something in your headset/meds need adjusting at the moment? I cannot thank or properly acknowledge this kind of malicious and self-congratulatory attack on another member. So I will publically 'unthank you' for these malicious remarks.

You are out of line; I'm sorry. Get over it.

I will never be a Mod, thankfully. :rolleyes:

[Gekko]

I personally do not believe the military will turn against the citizens of the country. The military will always be more powerful than any grassroots militia (automatic weapons or not). There may be a small percentage who would go along with some kind of oppressive plan for the sake of the government, but I believe most go into service in order to serve their friends, family, and community (to preserve that way of life).

Perhaps that is where Problem, Reaction, Solution would come into play. Create a desperately chaotic situation so that it appears rounding up citizens is the lesser of two evils. No one has to know the real intentions behind it.

[Gardener]

Music your post was ascerbic and presumptious and divisive; do not include me in your presumtions.

Even though few will have the courage to openly thank me here for these words, many will be in agreement and, as usual, I will receive thanks by pm.

[Kristin]

9eagle9: I’ll draw a comparison for Fred Steeves. Duncan is angry for the same reason I am that you posted a thread that basically invites people to make agreement to soul harvesting. Of course I can’t dare say a word about it because that would be ‘mean’ and ‘unloving’.

I’m fairly certain ( but not altogether ) that was not your intention. Yet you got the agreement that agents of that sort of thing need , that is soul harvesting on its own. It has to be done with one’s agreement. You can’t let the vampire in the door until you agree to let him. They have unconscious agreement to that already; they crave conscious agreement. It primes the pump so to speak. That way they are made comfortable that their system is still rock solid. They don't have so much work to do if they can get folks to agree to do it on their own or for them.

When I see people do that I’m TOLD I’m bitter and angry. Right? Right Fred. That’s what I am. Just like Duncan.


One would have thought you would have taken your self-imposed sabbatical and acheived some kind of internal growth but it appears that you have not grown at all. This is unbelievably tiresome, and is that even a veiled accusation that Fred is an agent? You, and the rest of Avalon, should know that I was told by another member that they wanted to post on this thread, but then saw that you (9eagle9) where on it, so they didn't. I'm betting there are a lot of people who withdraw from threads as soon as you come on to them for fear of feeling the sting of your poisin-dipped tongue. I very nearly posted a welcome back to you the first time I saw you re-posting, but I guess that was the Pollyanna in me.

Even though few will have the courage to openly thank me here for these words, many will be in agreement and, as usual, I will receive thanks by pm.

Music and 9eagle9... there are more constructive ways to get your points across. Goading is not one of them. Please conduct yourselves with respect to other members. Please, let's get back to topic.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Freed Fox]

Selene: It would seem that there has been a lot of negativity lately, and some are working through more than others. I would agree that personal attacks are not desirable, but I hesitate to say that they are never ultimately constructive.

For my personal example; I sort-of attacked RMorgan on one of his threads about a week ago. This lead to a heartfelt apology on my part which also allowed me to air some of my personal grievances with the world and my situation. The discourse didn't really suffer, and I believe it helped me (at least).

[WhiteFeather]

Selene: It would seem that there has been a lot of negativity lately, and some are working through more than others. I would agree that personal attacks are not desirable, but I hesitate to say that they are never ultimately constructive.

For my personal example; I sort-of attacked RMorgan on one of his threads about a week ago. This lead to a heartfelt apology on my part which also allowed me to air some of my personal grievances with the world and my situation. The discourse didn't really suffer, and I believe it helped me (at least).

I too was guilty of attacking one of our members. Felt some inner healing after I posted this Thread below.
I'm Sorry (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44451-I-m-Sorry)

[Kristin]

This part is interesting:

9eagle9, "It has to be done with one’s agreement. You can’t let the vampire in the door until you agree to let him. They have unconscious agreement to that already; they crave conscious agreement. It primes the pump so to speak. That way they are made comfortable that their system is still rock solid. They don't have so much work to do if they can get folks to agree to do it on their own or for them. "

I personally feel that comment is worth discussing and looking into.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Whiskey_Mystic]

One would have thought you would have taken your self-imposed sabbatical and acheived some kind of internal growth but it appears that you have not grown at all. This is unbelievably tiresome, and is that even a veiled accusation that Fred is an agent? You, and the rest of Avalon, should know that I was told by another member that they wanted to post on this thread, but then saw that you (9eagle9) where on it, so they didn't. I'm betting there are a lot of people who withdraw from threads as soon as you come on to them for fear of feeling the sting of your poisin-dipped tongue. I very nearly posted a welcome back to you the first time I saw you re-posting, but I guess that was the Pollyanna in me.

Even though few will have the courage to openly thank me here for these words, many will be in agreement and, as usual, I will receive thanks by pm.

I won't openly thank you, but I will openly tell you that you are way out of line. 9eagle9 was not attempting to offend, attack, or label Fred as anything. She was using a posting of his to make a point. On the other hand, you are blatantly attacking her on a personal level. The poison tongue is yours. YOU do not get to decide who is welcome here at Avalon and who is not. Please stop derailing threads with obvious bating and distraction before someone accuses you of being an agent. We wouldn't want that now, would we?

:focus:

[Freed Fox]

Kristin re: 9eagle9;

I agree that it's an interesting concept, certainly. I have heard of it before, but I always thought that the consent actually served to empower the vampire. As in, it is not sought as a simple assurance but rather a prerequisite to action. I could be wrong, of course.

[Kristin]

Kristin re: 9eagle9;

I agree that it's an interesting concept, certainly. I have heard of it before, but I always thought that the consent actually served to empower the vampire. As in, it is not sought as a simple assurance but rather a prerequisite to action. I could be wrong, of course.

Actually, I believe that is exactly the point she was trying to make!
From the Heart,
Kristin

[norman]

It seems the best course of action is to go crazy?





...the path I'm on lately, it seems...



Yea, it seems there are people, my type ( and maybe yours ) , who only can get through stuff this pivotal by experiencing the crazies.

If it was the very first time it was happening to me, I wouldn't fancy my chances much, but, I've obviously been through stuff I've previously been through, just to get me through this, in spirit, if not in body.

[Flash]

9eagle9: I’ll draw a comparison for Fred Steeves. Duncan is angry for the same reason I am that you posted a thread that basically invites people to make agreement to soul harvesting. Of course I can’t dare say a word about it because that would be ‘mean’ and ‘unloving’.

I’m fairly certain ( but not altogether ) that was not your intention. Yet you got the agreement that agents of that sort of thing need , that is soul harvesting on its own. It has to be done with one’s agreement. You can’t let the vampire in the door until you agree to let him. They have unconscious agreement to that already; they crave conscious agreement. It primes the pump so to speak. That way they are made comfortable that their system is still rock solid. They don't have so much work to do if they can get folks to agree to do it on their own or for them.

When I see people do that I’m TOLD I’m bitter and angry. Right? Right Fred. That’s what I am. Just like Duncan.


One would have thought you would have taken your self-imposed sabbatical and acheived some kind of internal growth but it appears that you have not grown at all. This is unbelievably tiresome, and is that even a veiled accusation that Fred is an agent? You, and the rest of Avalon, should know that I was told by another member that they wanted to post on this thread, but then saw that you (9eagle9) where on it, so they didn't. I'm betting there are a lot of people who withdraw from threads as soon as you come on to them for fear of feeling the sting of your poisin-dipped tongue. I very nearly posted a welcome back to you the first time I saw you re-posting, but I guess that was the Pollyanna in me.

Even though few will have the courage to openly thank me here for these words, many will be in agreement and, as usual, I will receive thanks by pm.


I am sorry Music, this is unbeliveably arrogant, this post of yours, whatever the previous story you had with 9Eagle9. I do not withdraw from threads that 9Eagle9 is on because I do not see any need for it. She did not insult Fred, just stated what she think she saw. Yes she is affirmative, it is her personality and so what? The other aspect is that she wants more for people than people want for themselves and she cannot let go, even when these people let go on themselves. I have seen much worse on this forum. And I do admire those holding their ground as she does. In spite of spitfullness.

Right now the poison dipped tongue came from your post above. And believe me, with all my love to you Music, this is not said in an vindictive intentions, just saying what I saw.

Edit: I just saw your subsequent post. Music you are hanging yourself there, you are doing exactly what you reproach 9Eagle9, this is called projections, namely accusing Duncan to be under unconscious control, which you reproached 9Eagle9 to have written against Fred, accusing Duncan of serving a martial law agenda (or PTB one), which 9Eagle9 wrote that Fred may unconscioulsy do, and then discrediting 9Eagle9 and Duncan altogether by stating that the battle of souls is a distraction. If it is the case, why do you take your time discrediting anyone talking about it? Just don't bother, it would be much more simple and healthy.



I would say that Duncan thinks he is straight up and down, but I definitely don't rule out that he (as many others are) is under unconscious control. If I had to choose whether to take his words as gospel or not, I would choose not to. His postings serve the martial law agenda certainly, and for me, the whole "battle for souls" issue is distraction.

[norman]

This the second thread I've seen in as many months ( think ) that has got overly seriously bogged down in the mud wresting in pool of it that I personally don't think O'Fininan deserves.

If any one of you had been through the **** he's been through, I bet you'd be holding up less well than he is.


Please, this thread gives me the creeps. Avalon get's like this at times, and it's not a strength, it's a great time for others from outside this 'community' to really give us a whack up side the head from nowhere.

With SO much falling into place right now, that's a very strong possibility.

[Kristin]

Let's start on this page anew and back on topic! There are some serious issues here at hand that are being flushed out. It would serve humanity best if we could concentrate on those currently.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Gekko]

Would someone please define how one "sells their soul", in the context of what this article is trying to communicate? Or has this been defined elsewhere? He speaks of it like it were a choice between hot dogs and potato chips, that simply happens one day and then everything's decided. Off you go to eternal slavery and damnation.

.

To me selling one's soul is doing work for profit that you know hurts others or the mother earth with full awareness of the fact. Its as simple as that. This could include complacent going along with the agenda because its too difficult or your too lazy to do otherwise. You can sell your soul, but you can also buy it back though redemptive acts


But where are the dividers? Is the awakening 18 year old working the cash register at Market Basket selling his soul because some of the bananas in the produce section are genetically modified? Are people who work with computers selling their souls because of the small amount of Coltan needed for the production of capacitors (a metal which drives civil war in Africa)?

Let's put it to the test. In this scenario it seems like it would be better to remain completely unaware and oblivious and continue working at McDonalds - you might be doomed to a life of unhappiness and slavery, but at least you didn't do it knowingly, and thereby your soul is safe. :rolleyes:

This is why these kinds of things frustrate me. Public figures like this Duncan fellow throwing around very sensitive terms like "soul" and the damnation thereof in a very arbitrary fashion. It feels like emotional blackmail. It sounds like either he doesn't understand what he's talking about or he doesn't take care to explain it responsibly.

There's a dangerous hook here. By saying this:


Hate to break the news to ya but, you're lost, gone. Once you give your soul to another via your own free will, that contract is binding!
You might want to read that several more times, all of you who are sitting on the fence with your soul.

he's offering you an ultimatum based solely on fear. These are very strong words. It's a subtle "I know what the deal is, and you better listen to me because I know what's going on, and if you don't you may just go to hell for eternity".

If this hook catches the reader, it turns off all of the balanced and rational faculties and the rest of the message comes in unfiltered and unchallenged. Never a good thing since even the most knowledgeable people get things wrong sometimes. And there's the more insidious seed of fear that is planted in the back of the mind, with nothing to regulate it. Just an inchoate foreboding that feeds on guilt.

Of course, the whole thing could just be hyperbole in the heat of the moment. But my point still stands...

[Arrowwind]

and now we know why the world is in the disorder that it's in.

Tart tongues and critical emotions.

[markpierre]

This is great. The grist that's left when the airy-fairy chaff has blown off. Now we can get down to some serious milling.

I did everything I could think of. After the personal blessing of a safe and gentle passage into the New Age I just got angry. The fraud of Xmas 'cheer' was
the worst. Surrounded by drunks and escapist fools that represented everything mindless I hate about this world.

And so I lit the tea lights on the shrine, thanked the four directions and smudged myself, did my prana exercises and took my happy nirvana herbs. To no avail.

I love it that you guys are so willing to reflect so perfectly, whatever I'm feeling. So I publicly rebuke myself, and my self serving, aggrandizing, grandstanding, hypocritical opinionated mind,
and you can all thank me publicly or privately for it. We're all pissed off. Not at each other. Just pissed off.
Let the vampire feed where he will. But not on me. He had a go at me and he lost.

I think this all means it's working really well. The OP is brilliant. The reactions are true and conflictual, and that's exactly what's needing to be met in us all. We found the grist.
Back to the millstone. Lets grind us some flour.

[Arrowwind]

Let's put it to the test. In this scenario it seems like it would be better to remain completely unaware and oblivious and continue working at McDonalds - you might be doomed to a life of unhappiness and slavery, but at least you didn't do it knowingly, and thereby your soul is safe. :rolleyes:

This is why these kinds of things frustrate me.

Of course, the whole thing could just be hyperbole in the heat of the moment. But my point still stands...

Well much of it is hyperbole...

Duncan is using a fear tactic to try to get people to comply... and comply with exacly what I can say for sure

Fact of the matter is that IMHO you cant really sell your soul. You make trade offs that hinder its progress. There is always a lesson to learn there and people will keep doing it if they see a monetary or other kind of benefit, but they pay in the long run... simply by having to repeat the lesson until they get it right.

If you work at McDonalds as you say in your example, your soul is not safe it is in stagnation.

Some people are so in the dark they don't even realize that they have a soul. They do stuff out of fear, manipulation, money, guilt, or perceived need. I would say that if you do bad things to help others there may be some redemption but one must always ask, does the ends justify the means. For very selfish people if often does. Selfish people are people who do not understand how to create so the accumulate all that they can at whatever cost. They are in perpetual fears or senstions of loss and inadquacy.

[jackovesk]

Good onya Duncan...:thumb:

As with anything you wish to absorb through the internet, the (real message) is really there for those that need to hear it...:yes4:

If Duncan's message upset you...:cry:...move on because you are not the audience he is trying to reach...

Thanks Astrid, wishing You and (All Avalonians & Our Guests) a Happy New Year...:dance3:

Jackovesk...:yo:

[Flash]

Would someone please define how one "sells their soul", in the context of what this article is trying to communicate? Or has this been defined elsewhere? He speaks of it like it were a choice between hot dogs and potato chips, that simply happens one day and then everything's decided. Off you go to eternal slavery and damnation.

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To me selling one's soul is doing work for profit that you know hurts others or the mother earth with full awareness of the fact. Its as simple as that. This could include complacent going along with the agenda because its too difficult or your too lazy to do otherwise. You can sell your soul, but you can also buy it back though redemptive acts


But where are the dividers? Is the awakening 18 year old working the cash register at Market Basket selling his soul because some of the bananas in the produce section are genetically modified? Are people who work with computers selling their souls because of the small amount of Coltan needed for the production of capacitors (a metal which drives civil war in Africa)?

Let's put it to the test. In this scenario it seems like it would be better to remain completely unaware and oblivious and continue working at McDonalds - you might be doomed to a life of unhappiness and slavery, but at least you didn't do it knowingly, and thereby your soul is safe. :rolleyes:

This is why these kinds of things frustrate me. Public figures like this Duncan fellow throwing around very sensitive terms like "soul" and the damnation thereof in a very arbitrary fashion. It feels like emotional blackmail. It sounds like either he doesn't understand what he's talking about or he doesn't take care to explain it responsibly.

There's a dangerous hook here. By saying this:


Hate to break the news to ya but, you're lost, gone. Once you give your soul to another via your own free will, that contract is binding!
You might want to read that several more times, all of you who are sitting on the fence with your soul.

he's offering you an ultimatum based solely on fear. These are very strong words. It's a subtle "I know what the deal is, and you better listen to me because I know what's going on, and if you don't you may just go to hell for eternity".

If this hook catches the reader, it turns off all of the balanced and rational faculties and the rest of the message comes in unfiltered and unchallenged. Never a good thing since even the most knowledgeable people get things wrong sometimes. And there's the more insidious seed of fear that is planted in the back of the mind, with nothing to regulate it. Just an inchoate foreboding that feeds on guilt.

Of course, the whole thing could just be hyperbole in the heat of the moment. But my point still stands...

Gekko,

Out of curiosity I did listened to parts of the taped conversation he had, stating those sentences.

When reading, they seem emotionally charged, but when listening, Duncan has a very poised voice, speak calmly and does not carry the heavy loaded emotions the written words seems to have.

My bet: this guy is a verbal communicator nor a written one. The message verbally goes much better. My second bet, he is culturally from an environment that is tough, speak directly and spit out words some do not want to hear. This makes it difficult at times for our frail egos.

However, if you just listen to the content, I personnally would not exprapolate very much on what he meant, because it is quite clear although not elaborate with words (that he would surely call useless).

the "hate to brake the new but once you gave your soul the contract is binding" may be just that, if you consciouly give your soul, the contract is binding.

This could happen with RFIDing people where people accept or with conscously making plans and taking action to harm people and destroy. Very few of us take those actions or make those plans willfully.

Not even service military in wars do it willfully. They just do a job they are caught to do. They do not plan killings and destruction nor enjoy it, for most of them.

However, haven't you seen those videos where singers or actors state that they have sold their soul to have success? This would be a case, and yet, here, by doing it, they may not have planned and destroyed directly. But they did agree to the plan.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Kristin re: 9eagle9;

I agree that it's an interesting concept, certainly. I have heard of it before, but I always thought that the consent actually served to empower the vampire. As in, it is not sought as a simple assurance but rather a prerequisite to action. I could be wrong, of course.

Actually, I believe that is exactly the point she was trying to make!
From the Heart,
Kristin

We give consent not only through our words and conscious intention, but also through our choices, action, and inaction.

[ghostrider]

Duncan as far as I remember has never been wrong. You may not like the message but it's his truth. Remember your dealing with an Mk Ultra surviour that was tortured , you think he will have many happy thoughts ?? The war is coming , hell he was one of their soldiers to be used against us. I am glad he is on our side. the ptb can't stop him, he knows their tricks, and has a few friends in high places. we are gonna need that soon ... look at his seminars, combat training and unity, training everyone to be leaders not followers... always giving the cold hard truth...

[Arrowwind]

My bet: this guy is a verbal communicator nor a written one. The message verbally goes much better. My second bet, he is culturally from an environment that is tough, speak directly and spit out words some do not want to hear. This makes it difficult at times for our frail egos.


so you are saying that this guy does not know what kind of impact he makes in the written word? after all he did send this out by email. If he is not aware I would say that is a signficant lack of awareness on his part. Personally, I do think he knows what he is saying and writing and its impact. This is his work you know.

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. the ptb can't stop him,...

I find that a little hard to believe

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Surrounded by drunks and escapist fools that represented everything mindless I hate about this world.

You say "drunks" like it's a bad thing.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i157/SealJuice/winkdrink.jpg

I hear what you are saying. The shallow world is frustrating. Duncan says "See ANY changes for the good? You won't." That's not true. That's just how Duncan chooses to see the world. I see beauty everywhere I look. And I'm not high. And I don't subscribe to the same "The world has gone to ****" view. The world is full of horrors. And the world is full of beauty. And even if everything about the human experience is pure hell, which it is not, the wind still blows. The grass still grows. Dogs and grandmas still love unconditionally. The human heart is still full of wonder.

I'm no hippy, boys and girls. I keep my powder dry. But love still rules. Go love.

[Kristin]

If one HAD consciously given their soul, a teenager or a child for example... I would like to believe that in their maturity they could break that agreement. It would be interesting to hear thoughts on how that could be accomplished. There are clearing methods that I've heard of, however, I'm going to look for people who have accomplished this to see what these methods could be.

I would imagine that the idea that "it could be done" would be a powerful force that would be necessary to begin to break the programming. The strong belief that such a contract could not be broken would be counter productive. It's an interesting thing to bind one's own soul, to realize it, and to want out. What would the options be? It's interesting, but I can not believe that a kid who didn't know any better would have this choice taken away in latter life when he understood the ramifications.

I tend to shy away from absolutes, but that's just me.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Freed Fox]

Right on Bill Mur--... I mean, Whiskey_Mystic! :p

[ghostrider]

I like duncan. He shoots from the hip and he doesn't
care if he offends anyone. He calls it as he sees it.

How-ever, i do wish that he would make a full disclosure
of what he knows. I'm sure there is more, that he is not
telling us.

Concerning his Godmother, i thought he once disclosed
that she wasn't human. Does anyone else remember this
or am i remembering wrong?

If it's true, would it endanger her if her species was revealed?

I remember Kerry met her or saw her at an event and asked her age and she replied infinity... laylani.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

If any one of you had been through the **** he's been through, I bet you'd be holding up less well than he is.


How do you know we haven't? Let's not make assumptions. :-)

There's a lot of support for Duncan here. There's also a lot of good feedback. Part of discerning Duncan's message and implications thereof, which is what Avalon does, will involve discerning Duncan himself. Personally, I have never met Duncan, so I have to use his writings and patterns of behavior to assess who I think he is. I know that Bill is friends with him and thinks highly of him. It's no insult to Duncan that we want to figure him out, especially given the number of frauds, misguided do-gooders, and disinfo agents we encounter.

[Kristin]

Hey Norman, I have been trough some of what Duncan has been through, sorry to say. I happen to communicate with him and Miranda personally on occasion. I think these are legitimate inquiries, it's healthy to keep an open mind IMO. Everyone is different and has differing ways of communication. Some more soothing then others, not better, it's just that we are all unique. I do not agree with the way that Duncan expresses himself at times, and yet we seem to get along just fine. He's an interesting character.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[9eagle9]

Here i'll let my venom tipped tongue expand on it a little.

It's a very complex thing, it had to be made that way because its actually very easy to see through. Made complex because our inner selves are actually very good at seeing through this crap. The conscious mind and the emotional body are not. The ego likes complexities, it keeps the mind tied up and away from what is really occurring.

We often do have to reduce it down to potato chips and hot dogs, but there are a number of threads about parastical energies that go in depth.

Let my venom tipped tongue give you some things to consider. Take what Selene said and really know it.

Our work has hardly just begun. If I were to clump us all together statistically we’ve all just woken up and have not yet gotten out of bed. We’re waking up, but we have not yet really DONE anything with that. Waking up is great. Would it do you any good if you never got out of bed. And you just comforted yourself with the knowledge that you were awake. The thought of being ‘awake’ then takes on more importance than ‘being’ awake, living breathing, doing awake. You have to get out of bed and do something with your awake state.

And the moment you get out of bed to 'do' and someone, another awake person lounging in their bed still, gets angry at you and orders you back in bed because how dare you disturb them....that's when the game starts rolling.

Why I say this is that topics like this are VERY important to people ..as conversation pieces. the internet version of a coffee book table.

They want to talk about it on a mental level , as the idea of doing something. When someone actually does something they are angry or the person who did something is angry.

This is selling one’s self out.

It’s called crazy making **** too. That is setting a condition of sell out to have a zillion sheep bleeting 'do something, help us' and then when you do they turn on you...lol. Because you took it from a place of light conversation where they are comfortable and put the reality of it in their face. Not so comfortable.



Before we sell our souls in a manner of speaking, we first sell ourselves out by showing the entire cosmos how easy it is to sell ourselves out. We put ourselves up for bid first. We put ourselves on the auction table and they just come in like the smart consumers they are and start bidding.

They can’t just come in with a Hoover and suck it out. We have to make our willingness known first. The things that operate on this level are very weak. They don’t have much substance , they of course need what we have to give them what they crave. Otherwise they could come take a Hoover and just vacuum us out if they were 'all powerful'

So you take a very weak parasitical energy and present it with two scenarios

A person who pulls a knife, stands their ground and says you aren’t taking me down I know how you operate. I know what you are I see you for what you are.

Or someone who whimpers oh, I forgive you. To not sell out to you puts me in a moral quandary with my belief system that is all about shining light and forgiveness. I won’t say anything bad about you or even think about what you are doing to me. . So even though I’m priming myself to create conditions to sell my soul out, I love you, I forgive you I’ll even pray for you as long as I look like a nice person and saint to everyone as you are sucking my soul out.


Which person do YOU personally think is going to become an easy target for soul harvesting. Scrap soul harvesting . Which person would be an easy target for a common 3d burglar.

If you are smart enough to ask the question you are probably intelligent enough to know the answer.

Believe me you a lot of people won’t ask the question.

Setting pre-existing conditions and entrenching yourself there is selling your soul.

Like the 12-21 fiasco. People have invested not only their souls, but their futures in that creating division not only within themselves but in others. People literally going to the mat over fairy tales. GROWN ups., Adults.

When WE start his psychological warfare not only with ourselves but with each other, playing the victim, squealing that "I'm hurt' over this kind of conversation we not only sell ourselves out, we sell each other out. This is not personal it potentially can touch everyone of us. You may as well just get your CIA card or get your pension check from MK Ultra then.

Conditioning your-self with beliefs, modalities, and getting stuck there is selling your sell out to a thought, an idea, something that is not real or even worthy of who you really are.

Cutting and pasting someone else’s solutions, words, wisdoms, teaching s and instructions as if these were your own inner knowing is selling your soul. You deprive not only yourself of you but everyone else of you as well.

Not using the thousands of tools available to self-excavate, really know yourself, your wisdom, you deprive yourself, of yourself, and OTHER people of your SELF. You sold yourself out.

People who engage only in the positive don't realize that they only delivering the negative to others when that is a artificial positive. You've sold yourself out.

The moment you can’t manage yourself, your emotions, your behaviors, you have to pull back and ask yourself am I selling myself out ?

We are all deprived of each other by selling our souls and assuming masks. Here’s my soul, I’ll take the victim mask please as a replacement.

Piddling around with thing things that one is not well versed in and distorting and creating conditions and pitfalls for others based on a need for this condition.

On an individual level we can keep our souls, clean our souls, clear our souls, and keep them sacred, for ourselves and not contribute the matrix. But not if we are selling it out. That creates a future condition.

There all sorts of unseen things in the world that watch us get up to these behaviors and see how easily we sell our own selves out and figure we are easy marks.

And we are

Till we stop selling ourselves out.

There are some very smart people in the world. Your own inner self is a thousand times as smart. If we can’t listen to people who have the inside scoop on how this works…and they are speaking very loudly, plainly and intelligently. If we can’t hear what they have to say on the matter…. How are we going to have the wherewithal to listen to our inner knowing that knows even more?

That too is selling ourselves out.

My forebears knew about this thousands of years ago. This is not new. Granted they thought the moon was eating souls but I like to think we've learned something since then. But with all the rumors about the moon not being what it really is maybe they were not that far off target.






Would someone please define how one "sells their soul", in the context of what this article is trying to communicate? Or has this been defined elsewhere? He speaks of it like it were a choice between hot dogs and potato chips, that simply happens one day and then everything's decided. Off you go to eternal slavery and damnation.

Is it simply being submissive to TPTB? Actively engaging in deception and abuse? At what specific point does one "cash the check" and cross over to the dark side? If there are definite and severe consequences either way, there needs to be a specific explanation of the mechanism. Otherwise it's just floundering in obscurity.

[norman]

If any one of you had been through the **** he's been through, I bet you'd be holding up less well than he is.


How do you know we haven't? Let's not make assumptions. :-)

There's a lot of support for Duncan here. There's also a lot of good feedback. Part of discerning Duncan's message and implications thereof, which is what Avalon does, will involve discerning Duncan himself. Personally, I have never met Duncan, so I have to use his writings and patterns of behavior to assess who I think he is. I know that Bill is friends with him and thinks highly of him. It's no insult to Duncan that we want to figure him out, especially given the number of frauds, misguided do-gooders, and disinfo agents we encounter.


I don't ACTUALLY know anything about any of you Whistic ;)

I'm very sorry to have "obviously" junked into something that others see value in that I have so far failed to see.

and Yes... you or others may very well have been through such stuff... ok, I jumped the "gun"....


Can anyone participating in this thread release me from this stuffy smelly personally meaningful horniness ambience that gives me the 'chuck-up'.

Life IS dirty and messy. Duncan is spinning around in that like a 'crazy' guy. Is he over indulging in something he should have over come by now, or is he still in "credit" for a 'reach-out' for all our clasp in arms?

This conversation, as I read it, isn't even dealing with that.

[Kristin]

Beautifully stated and worth repeating:

9eagle9: "There are some very smart people in the world. Your own inner self is a thousand times as smart. If we can’t listen to people who have the inside scoop on how this works…and they are speaking very loudly, plainly and intelligently. If we can’t hear what they have to say on the matter…. How are we going to have the wherewithal to listen to our inner knowing that knows even more?

That too is selling ourselves out."

[Kristin]

If any one of you had been through the **** he's been through, I bet you'd be holding up less well than he is.


How do you know we haven't? Let's not make assumptions. :-)

There's a lot of support for Duncan here. There's also a lot of good feedback. Part of discerning Duncan's message and implications thereof, which is what Avalon does, will involve discerning Duncan himself. Personally, I have never met Duncan, so I have to use his writings and patterns of behavior to assess who I think he is. I know that Bill is friends with him and thinks highly of him. It's no insult to Duncan that we want to figure him out, especially given the number of frauds, misguided do-gooders, and disinfo agents we encounter.


I don't ACTUALLY know anything about any of you Whistic ;)

I'm very sorry to have "obviously" junked into something that others see value in that I have so far failed to see.

and Yes... you or others may very well have been through such stuff... ok, I jumped the "gun"....


Can anyone participating in this thread release me from this stuffy smelly personally meaningful horniness ambience that gives me the 'chuck-up'.

Life IS dirty and messy. Duncan is spinning around in that like a 'crazy' guy. Is he over indulging in something he should have over come by now, or is he still in "credit" for a 'reach-out' for all our clasp in arms?

This conversation, as I read it, isn't even dealing with that.

Well, if Duncan is damaged in some way... does that make what he's experienced and his message any less valid?

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Beautifully stated and worth repeating:

9eagle9: "There are some very smart people in the world. Your own inner self is a thousand times as smart. If we can’t listen to people who have the inside scoop on how this works…and they are speaking very loudly, plainly and intelligently. If we can’t hear what they have to say on the matter…. How are we going to have the wherewithal to listen to our inner knowing that knows even more?

That too is selling ourselves out."

I'd like to invite everyone who skipped 9eagle9's post because it was too long to go back and read it. It's relevant.

[Gardener]

Every time we are manipulated into doing something which we don't want to do, a bit of soul energy runs off into hiding. We have the power to say no, and yet often don't because its easier more comfortable.

Believing a 'lie' because it fits some other 'lie' and 'sits' well within the comfort zone, nice n fluffy, then going on to propogate that 'lie' (belief) to make someone else feel good............off and running goes a nother bit of the soul energy.

Just another perspective.

[mosquito]

Sometimes there really is no need to get too wordy about defining things. "Selling your soul" is surely a very extreme sounding idea, isn't it ? To me, this means doing something which you totally, 100% know to be WRONG and harmful to others, you know there are consequenses to your actions and you act anyway. Rape comes to mind. Stealing a packet of biscuits doesn't. Nor does working as a prostitute in order to feed your child, sacrificing your needs in order to help others, or doing something with less than 100% awareness.

[Carmody]

Kristin re: 9eagle9;

I agree that it's an interesting concept, certainly. I have heard of it before, but I always thought that the consent actually served to empower the vampire. As in, it is not sought as a simple assurance but rather a prerequisite to action. I could be wrong, of course.

Actually, I believe that is exactly the point she was trying to make!
From the Heart,
Kristin

We give consent not only through our words and conscious intention, but also through our choices, action, and inaction.

For example.

to go to McDonald's. Or the supermarket.

We have tacitly agreed to the violent murder of the animal.

Buy a smartphone, and agree to the enslavement and forced labour of a Chinese person -to directly contribute to such. Or to buy a Laptop.

To live in north America, or the 'west' and not be in SERIOUS AND DIRECT conflict with your government and the involved hidden interests...., means you agree to the murder, as you accepted the citizenship and continued with the citizenship and environment of the USA, at the same time troops with that badge and governmental support, kill innocents in order to control the remaining innocents... and to control you.

You found out about it as a teen, or as an an adult, and you did nothing.

You agree.

There is no way to squirm past this. You agreed and are agreeing and are doing nothing.

And there really is no such thing as you saying, 'it's not that simple'... That is fully adulterated horse****, and you know it.

We wonder why half the USA is on some form of anit-depressant?

Why do the children of the USA loose their minds as they come into their teens? Look at the crap we are foisting on them --as a reality that they are supposed to accept.

The world is, right now....... living a lie, in direct conflict with what we know to be correct....a lie that is almost too enormous to cognate.

So yeah, you bough into it alright.

Like a person waking up on a strange ship, in rough seas.. this finally comes to us, this understanding that it's almost ALL wrong.

How much more of this can you stand?

[applecrusher1992]

I have a question. How SHOULD one feel about something like that?

...
Here’s my question.

What is the correct emotion when you watch someone giving away their soul and then encouraging others to do the same all puppeted along by the corruption in the breech of our psyches? Because seriously we can’t get angry but then not caring is not right either. It is by the choices people make. So many people sold their souls to 12-21-12 propaganda and aren’t feeling very good these days. The best of the lot of them have the wherewithal to feel foolish. The rest are hunting up more propaganda to sweeten the honey pot with.

What sort of emotion should be exhibited to make everyone feel comfortable about what they are doing to themselves?

...
How do we process our emotions concerning this.

Correct emotion please? Correct course of action please?

Because if we process this in a way that makes everyone comfortable we are no better than the ones who initiate the process in the first place.

Any suggestions?

I understand your feeling. From what I have learned of any situation the appropriate emotion is the one you currently feel. If you are happy, then you are happy. If your sad, your sad. Don't try to force an emotion or even think that your emotion or thought process may be wrong. This is part of your development and your experience living on this planet. You think what you think for a reason.

I know there were some instances in my life were some of my emotions may have been considered inappropriate by most others. Whether it is being happy for someones death even though you didn't hate them. Angry that someone did something nice for you. Or even being upset when something wonderful happens in your life. The appropriate emotion is the one you feel.

I tend not to give into the fear porn or the hope porn that is out there. There is definitely objective truth but the actions that we take , that we are about to take will determine whether we deserve a good future.

Over the last few days I started to feel very negative because the people were so easily manipulated by the Sandy Hook tragedy despite the overwhelming evidence of a false flag that I began to doubt whether humanity deserved to be free. I tried very hard to focus on a positive future but the negativity overwhelmed me.

This was the sudden realization that if something is going to get done that we have to do it. That I have to do something and not just sit on the sidelines and wish for someone else to save me. Yes this has been said many times over by many people but it sometimes isn't until you go through the experience that you believe it consciously and subconsciously.

I believe that we should try to awaken more people around us, yet if have not taken care of our own needs then we must worry about ourselves even if it means others suffer. If people want to commit spiritual suicide then that is their choice they have made. Don't feel bad about it or lie about it but rather say to yourself, so what? How does this effect you and what is your respond?

My feeling is if we can convince them otherwise before their actions, then its worth a fighting chance. It is in the darkest hours that people are willing to open their minds and expand themselves the most. We all came to this planet willingly and none of us are correct about the collective action we should take, but we all can figure out the individual action we can take in our lives.

Again, I will not buy into the hope porn as I will not buy into the fear porn. I have made my decision not to fear the future and not to give up on humanity. If we lose, then let us go down with the biggest bang we can, if we win then let us celebrate and express our unique.

There is no doubt in my mind that 2013 will be a hard year but I believe we will win. Just the fact that no major events have happened should show us all that there is still hope for a peaceful and prosperous future.

[gripreaper]

Let's use a current example. If it is true that the Archon's staged the Sandy Hook massacre as a ritual human blood sacrifice to their astral gods, such as Moloch, what is it that they receive as a result?

The answer is, our emotions. When we go into fear, anger and grief over the atrocity of the inhumanity of such soulless psychopaths, we release an energy from our field, and the astral beings circle around us and vampire that energy just like food. Then the elite Archon's use their repeat phrases to manipulate our psyches into the programs which they are trying to achieve. Such phrases like "mentally disturbed shooter" , "slain children", "drug induced murder", "assault rifles", "dangerous preppers", "gun control", "something must be done", etc.

Not to say that emotions are wrong, or that we should not have them, but we should recognize them as catalysts and bring them into balance as soon as we can, and not offer them up to be vampired by the astral crazies, or to be used to program us by the elite. We also give our energy away when we spend hours endlessly listening and engaging in the catch phrases which they are attempting to program into us.

So, to answer the question, how do you sell your soul? We do it all the time by allowing our energy to be vampired, allowing the social discourse, and the news, to trigger our emotions, or we just are complacent with our energy and are not focusing it and emanating it and spending it for the outcome of peace and prosperity for all.

I know this is a very simple way of explaining this, and I could be more eloquent, but I don't want to make this post too long. It's about energy, how we generate it, how we magnify it, preserve it, protect it, focus it, intention it, and emanate it. Doing this to the detriment of self and to the aggrandizement of another entity, whether incarnate or dis-incarnate, we sell our souls.

[Mulder]

Nothing like sprouting FEAR PORN to the masses!

FFS..... We create our own reality, why buy into someone elses fear filled version?

Choose to create LOVE around you, Where LOVE resides, Fear has no effect!

HUGS...........Godiam

So how's your 'creation' looking?
Is it 'out of sight, out of mind'? Or 'out of mind, out of sight'?

Hugs

With respect to you both ... what is the worst case scenarnio???

death???

how many thousands of times have we been down that road???

take a deep breath and try to connect to what we are here to accomplish ... yes???

Has any of the above ever worked?

2000 years of prayers to that one god?

2500 years of meditations?

10,000 years of prayers to various gods to ending slavery and suffering?

Time to clearly discover the actual target and the actual, effective, efficient methods to do away with it.

I hear you. I hope that there can be a peaceful end to what's happening in the USA, like the fall of communism was very peacefull in 1989. If not, then many people will die.

[norman]

[/COLOR]...... use reason..... use reason...... use reason.....



get off it ...

I heard it all at Uni and I didn't get it then, I don't get it now.


On the other hand, you might be a victim of something I need to be more considerate of..... [cudddles :kiss: ]

[we-R-one]

So, to answer the question, how do you sell your soul? We do it all the time by allowing our energy to be vampired, allowing the social discourse, and the news, to trigger our emotions, or we just are complacent with our energy and are not focusing it and emanating it and spending it for the outcome of peace and prosperity for all.

I know this is a very simple way of explaining this, and I could be more eloquent, but I don't want to make this post too long. It's about energy, how we generate it, how we magnify it, preserve it, protect it, focus it, intention it, and emanate it. Doing this to the detriment of self and to the aggrandizement of another entity, whether incarnate or dis-incarnate, we sell our souls.

Simple is good. Often I see concepts on this forum so over-complicated it's ridiculous. I've been saying the same thing for a long time, and wonder if anyone is even listening....it's all about energy, the future is energy. It's a battle of frequencies and yet there will be some who insist on making it more than what it is, which only distracts and misleads the masses from placing their focus on the proper subjects. Your post coincides with "The Solution" thread in which emotions play a tremendous role in creating our reality, thank you.

[applecrusher1992]

There are some very smart people in the world. Your own inner self is a thousand times as smart. If we can’t listen to people who have the inside scoop on how this works…and they are speaking very loudly, plainly and intelligently. If we can’t hear what they have to say on the matter…. How are we going to have the wherewithal to listen to our inner knowing that knows even more?



I would say the contrary.

I would say that if we can't listen to ourselves than how could we listen to other very educated people on this subject.

I would say that pure truth is found solely from within oneself.

From my own personal experience if I couldn't trust myself with something than I definitely couldn't trust anyone else with it.

Did I interpret this wrong or am I missing the point?

[norman]

There's really a "rift" here....

If I can feel it and no one else can, does that mean I'm insane or is something bigger bubbling up here?

I may be wrong, but I suspect that the damp firework of Dec 21st has tipped a balance that has got a few folk in some kind of energy sucking polite defiance.

(SHUCKS !................)

I love love as much as anyone does.

I love it best when it's real.

[Hervé]

...

Looka here for a good synopsis of what Duncan is expecting to occur in the course of 2013: Chicago: Next Big False Flag? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53672-Chicago-Next-Big-False-Flag)

[we-R-one]

...

Looka here for a good synopsis of what Duncan is expecting to occur in the course of 2013: Chicago: Next Big False Flag? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53672-Chicago-Next-Big-False-Flag)

ok resident scientist.....I'm gonna put you on the spot....."Where your thoughts go, energy flows".

Enough said.......carry on

[Hervé]

...

Looka here for a good synopsis of what Duncan is expecting to occur in the course of 2013: Chicago: Next Big False Flag? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53672-Chicago-Next-Big-False-Flag)

ok resident scientist.....I'm gonna put you on the spot....."Where your thoughts go, energy flows".

Enough said.......carry on

Have 10,000s of years of denial ever helped this planet and ALL her inhabitants get out from under the yoke of its controllers?

See post # 89 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53702-Just-in-from-Duncan-for-those-who-follow-his-work.-2013-...-A-New-Year-or-a-Nightmare-...pt-1&p=607900&viewfull=1#post607900) above.

[norman]

...

Looka here for a good synopsis of what Duncan is expecting to occur in the course of 2013: Chicago: Next Big False Flag? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53672-Chicago-Next-Big-False-Flag/page2)

Been there. got it 14 months ago when the new Chicago boss took a dive for a provincial post?.....jeez.. he must be some special kinda guy.

How special, is likely to become more obvious in the next few months after Obama dirties the pages of the Torran ( error intentional )

Following this story has been a vivid truth for ages. Coming to it late, after a whetted out festival of rapture, isn't much of an excuse for being politely and uncomfortably wrong.

It's not that the bad guys are all "right"........ they most certainly are not.

It's just that they have been spoon feeding one carefully proportioned sucker after another for the at least the last 250 damned years.

I REALLY HOPE !.... there isn't another "DATE" set in the near future because there really is a dire need for the finest hearts to get to the scrum here.

It won't hurt, honest ! :)

[Freed Fox]

There's really a "rift" here....

If I can feel it and no one else can, does that mean I'm insane or is something bigger bubbling up here?

I may be wrong, but I suspect that the damp firework of Dec 21st has tipped a balance that has got a few folk in some kind of energy sucking polite defiance.

(SHUCKS !................)

I love love as much as anyone does.

I love it best when it's real.

Some people feed off of the "rift". Seems they can't be comfortable without it.

The mistake with the 21st was placing focus upon a singular date. We should be focused on a solution which is ultimately singular but essentially multifaceted.

For the record, I do not believe that talking, thinking, and feeling will get us to our destination. We may need to walk, even though we'd like to just take off and fly.

[we-R-one]

...

Looka here for a good synopsis of what Duncan is expecting to occur in the course of 2013: Chicago: Next Big False Flag? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53672-Chicago-Next-Big-False-Flag)

ok resident scientist.....I'm gonna put you on the spot....."Where your thoughts go, energy flows".

Enough said.......carry on

Have 10,000s of years of denial ever helped this planet and ALL her inhabitants get out from under the yoke of its controllers?

See post # 89 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53702-Just-in-from-Duncan-for-those-who-follow-his-work.-2013-...-A-New-Year-or-a-Nightmare-...pt-1&p=607900&viewfull=1#post607900) above.

Yep, saw that post and unfortunately the new science is not reinforcing your assessment. You need to visit "The Solution" thread and pay special attention to the study of Epigenetics. I also added www.heartmath.org for your benefit due to it's discovery per our conversation quite some time ago on Schuman Resonance. You give me the impression that you are flip flopping your stance and I'm trying to understand why. Where did your statistics come from that you posted in post #89? And if you don't mind me asking...what type of scientist are you? meaning, what are your credentials, category of study?

[norman]

I'm slightly sorry, folks.

My energy here seems to have scuttled the conversation.

In one way, I'm sorry, and I hope you find another venue for that particular eccentricity of perpetuation of the same.

On the other hand, this thread started out with Astrid posting a rare comment from Duncan, and I, for one, want to keep the energy where it needs to be around his expression.

If that means that some folk want to drift off and wait quietly for another venue to get the spiritual ego stroking up and frenzied again, go ahead,, but in proper respect for the OP here, let's not drag the crap around here.

OK?

[Hervé]

...

Looka here for a good synopsis of what Duncan is expecting to occur in the course of 2013: Chicago: Next Big False Flag? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53672-Chicago-Next-Big-False-Flag)

ok resident scientist.....I'm gonna put you on the spot....."Where your thoughts go, energy flows".

Enough said.......carry on

Have 10,000s of years of denial ever helped this planet and ALL her inhabitants get out from under the yoke of its controllers?

See post # 89 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53702-Just-in-from-Duncan-for-those-who-follow-his-work.-2013-...-A-New-Year-or-a-Nightmare-...pt-1&p=607900&viewfull=1#post607900) above.

Yep, saw that post and unfortunately the new science is not reinforcing your assessment. You need to visit "The Solution" thread and pay special attention to the study of Epigenetics. I also added www.heartmath.org (http://www.heartmath.org) for your benefit due to it's discovery per our conversation quite some time ago on Schuman Resonance. You give me the impression that you are flip flopping your stance and I'm trying to understand why. Where did your statistics come from that you posted in post #89? And if you don't mind me asking...what type of scientist are you? meaning, what are your credentials, category of study?

Enjoy your impressions!

Do visit Chicago: Next Big False Flag? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53672-Chicago-Next-Big-False-Flag) Since it is always better to consciously confront what's about than let it unconsciously control one and, since you are a proponent of "we are all one" then, at some unconscious level, you have some buried knowledge of what's cooking.

[we-R-one]

Yep, saw that post and unfortunately the new science is not reinforcing your assessment. You need to visit "The Solution" thread and pay special attention to the study of Epigenetics. I also added www.heartmath.org (http://www.heartmath.org) for your benefit due to it's discovery per our conversation quite some time ago on Schuman Resonance. You give me the impression that you are flip flopping your stance and I'm trying to understand why. Where did your statistics come from that you posted in post #89? And if you don't mind me asking...what type of scientist are you? meaning, what are your credentials, category of study?

Enjoy your impressions!

Do visit Chicago: Next Big False Flag? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53672-Chicago-Next-Big-False-Flag) Since it is always better to consciously confront what's about than let it unconsciously control one and, since you are a proponent of "we are all one" then, at some unconscious level, you have some buried knowledge of what's cooking.




C'mon Amzer Zo. That's not an answer. I'm trying to understand where you're coming from. If the resident scientist isn't backing the new science, I want to know why? What is wrong with it? If you're going to start quoting statistics, let's start identifying the resources so the reader can understand. Otherwise, in my mind it deflates your statistics as it comes across as a cut and paste that may not necessarily have merit. This is rational thinking. I'm not personally attacking you, I am merely trying to get to the truth. And if the so called "resident scientist" can't back the "new" scientific studies then something is truly wrong.

[we-R-one]

Very concerning that you won't answer the question Amzer Zo....

[Gardener]

This is truly a paradox, and I hear ya we-R-one, there has to be a balancing point where we can objectively 'see' that its a 'duck' by the way it walks and quacks but at the same time, not direct energy at it with emotional thinking. I think it's clear by now that something will happen to restrict bearing arms in some way, which has likely prompted folks to buy more. Then if that happens, the oposing sides, for and against gun control are going to get antsy with each other, after that is quite unknown.
Imagination (emotional thinking) can create a scenario which starts civil riots and then all the executive orders which have been written up and not implemented can be activated etc etc.

On the mental health side, the DSM V recently published has now no diagnosis for aspergers syndrome and also makes no mention of psychopathy, but there are some rather strange diagnoses for obsessions with conspiracy theorists, so we can see that 'duck' on the horizon. It would not be wise to ignore these facts, whilst at the same time not become energetically and emotionally invested as you say not give it the energy.





...

Looka here for a good synopsis of what Duncan is expecting to occur in the course of 2013: Chicago: Next Big False Flag? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53672-Chicago-Next-Big-False-Flag)

ok resident scientist.....I'm gonna put you on the spot....."Where your thoughts go, energy flows".

Enough said.......carry on

[Arrowwind]

[We have tacitly agreed to the violent murder of the animal.

Buy a smartphone, and agree to the enslavement and forced labour of a Chinese person -to directly contribute to such. Or to buy a Laptop.

To live in north America, or the 'west' and not be in SERIOUS AND DIRECT conflict with your government and the involved hidden interests...., means you agree to the murder, as you accepted the citizenship and continued with the citizenship and environment of the USA, at the same time troops with that badge and governmental support, kill innocents in order to control the remaining innocents... and to control you.

You found out about it as a teen, or as an an adult, and you did nothing.

You agree.

There is no way to squirm past this. You agreed and are agreeing and are doing nothing.

?

And what exactly are you doing Carmody?
Are you in perpetual resistance?
Are you marching the streets to save animals?
Are you protesting your government to end war?
Are you resisting the one world government?
Are you spending your days mounting efforts against monsanto?
What type of labtop do you own?
how many children have you pressed into slavery through the ownership of your computer?
and what are you doing about it?
What nation are you a citizen of?
are you at the halls of government daily in your nation?
are you standing up to lying priests? tearing down halls of injustice?
Really, its time to come clean!

I most sincerely am looking to find ways to resist the monster.
Surely you must know!
Please do tell!

I can only assume that you did not agree and
are busily doing something about it.

There is no way to squirm past this.

[Arrowwind]

Beautifully stated and worth repeating:

9eagle9: "There are some very smart people in the world. Your own inner self is a thousand times as smart. If we can’t listen to people who have the inside scoop on how this works…and they are speaking very loudly, plainly and intelligently. If we can’t hear what they have to say on the matter…. How are we going to have the wherewithal to listen to our inner knowing that knows even more?

That too is selling ourselves out."

I'd like to invite everyone who skipped 9eagle9's post because it was too long to go back and read it. It's relevant.

Everytime I read 9eagle9 it comes off like its her that Im supposed to he hearing
for obviously she thinks she has the inside scoop...
and even if we happen to be very smart,
if we are not listening to her
very plain and intelligent speaking
that somehow we won't
have the wherewithal to listen to our inner knowing...

Geesh!....

But!

Alas,
Im too busy listening to my own inner knowing to find the time

[Freed Fox]

Arrowwind;

I agree that Carmody's implication seems unfair, given that there is no corresponding implication of shared responsibility, or evidence that it is not a hypocritical accusation. However, we need to bring the confrontational tone of this thread down a few notches. Speaking generally, of course, we should be careful not to presume too much.

[we-R-one]

Everytime I read 9eagle9 it comes off like its her that Im supposed to he hearing
for obviously she thinks she has the inside scoop...
and even if we happen to be very smart,
if we are not listening to her
very plain and intelligent speaking
that somehow we won't
have the wherewithal to listen to our inner knowing...

Geesh!....

But!

Alas,
Im too busy listening to my own inner knowing to find the time

Yep, ...... I was kinda thinking the same thing, but didn't want to say it for fear of backlash as Music mentioned in an earlier post......it appears that her opinion seems to supercede others....I don't get it.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Sigh...so many conversations going on at once......oh by the way, in case anyone was following....still waiting for an answer from the "resident scientist"......

[enfoldedblue]

This thread is...hmmm I’m not sure of the word.... chaotic... I think seems most appropriate. I believe there is energy behind words delivered here. It seems this energy Duncan has shared is a powerful one that stirs, and shakes us at deep levels. We will all likely have our own unique ways of processing this energy. I am not judging the energy, it is what it is. But I would like to suggest that it may help to be aware of how each one of us is allowing this energy to affect us and to consciously aim to be constructive rather than destructive in our approach.

[Arrowwind]

Arrowwind;

I agree that Carmody's implication seems unfair, given that there is no corresponding implication of shared responsibility, or evidence that it is not a hypocritical accusation. However, we need to bring the confrontational tone of this thread down a few notches. Speaking generally, of course, we should be careful not to presume too much.

those who presume much will be presumed upon.

[we-R-one]

I want answers enfoldedblue, cause something isn't smelling right and all the alarm bells are going off. IF people are going to use stats I want to know the source, pure and simple.

[Arrowwind]

Yep, ...... I was kinda thinking the same thing, but didn't want to say it for fear of backlash as Music mentioned in an earlier post......it appears that her opinion seems to supercede others....I don't get it.
......

:noidea: neither do I...

[enfoldedblue]

My post wasn't directed at anyone we-are-one . It was merely an observation and a suggestion that I felt might be useful to the thread in a general way :) .

[Gardener]

So well said EB, can I add to it to keep in mind how the unseen forces (not any of the members) can instigate emotional fireworks just to be divisive when a thread has importance.


This thread is...hmmm I’m not sure of the word.... chaotic... I think seems most appropriate. I believe there is energy behind words delivered here. It seems this energy Duncan has shared is a powerful one that stirs, and shakes us at deep levels. We will all likely have our own unique ways of processing this energy. I am not judging the energy, it is what it is. But I would like to suggest that it may help to be aware of how each one of us is allowing this energy to affect us and to consciously aim to be constructive rather than destructive in our approach.

[Flash]

[We have tacitly agreed to the violent murder of the animal.

Buy a smartphone, and agree to the enslavement and forced labour of a Chinese person -to directly contribute to such. Or to buy a Laptop.

To live in north America, or the 'west' and not be in SERIOUS AND DIRECT conflict with your government and the involved hidden interests...., means you agree to the murder, as you accepted the citizenship and continued with the citizenship and environment of the USA, at the same time troops with that badge and governmental support, kill innocents in order to control the remaining innocents... and to control you.

You found out about it as a teen, or as an an adult, and you did nothing.

You agree.

There is no way to squirm past this. You agreed and are agreeing and are doing nothing.

?

And what exactly are you doing Carmody?
Are you in perpetual resistance?
Are you marching the streets to save animals?
Are you protesting your government to end war?
Are you resisting the one world government?
Are you spending your days mounting efforts against monsanto?
What type of labtop do you own?
how many children have you pressed into slavery through the ownership of your computer?
and what are you doing about it?
What nation are you a citizen of?
are you at the halls of government daily in your nation?
are you standing up to lying priests? tearing down halls of injustice?
Really, its time to come clean!

I most sincerely am looking to find ways to resist the monster.
Surely you must know!
Please do tell!

I can only assume that you did not agree and
are busily doing something about it.

There is no way to squirm past this.




I partly agree with the taking of responsibiities and translations into action, but, action may be shown in very different fashion, depending on who you are, your personnality, your talents, your knowledge and the right timing.

Therefore, I think you are unfait towards Carmody, at least on this forum. He has been, for years, one of the main contributor, he is definitely extremely bright and has a thorough thinking, bringing scientific knowledge as well as alchemy and spirituality, in the same person. He gives us the information he has free, generously and steadily.

Have you ever thought that his mission may be in part being in this forum for hours and hours and give us these information. Knowing that this forum has a wide readership, the information surpasses the forum frontier and may have impacts on science, scientists, as well as for spiritual development. If we have to reread the posts because the information is too complex, well, it is our job to understand it and see its depth.

Furthermore, we do not know what is life is about and precisely what is work is about, even if we may have a hazy idea, this is all, a hazy idea. And we do not know that is his spiritual work either.

This is exactly the same for you Arrowind, with your graciously communicated information of health issue and your wide knowledge in that field, including spirituality. We do know that you work with people and most probably are very helpful, but we do not know what is your direct implicaton against the Monsantos of this world for example.

And this is the same for me.

If you wrote this as a metaphor to make us conscious on how necessary is our involvement, fine. But taking Carmody or any of us as a target or asking to any of us for justification, this is not fine. Freedom of choice of action has to remain at all time, for any human being, as well as protection of personal information on an open international forum.

[Hervé]

The stats?

Plain observation: where are we now and in what state?

2000 years of Christianity;

2500 years of Budhism;

10,000 years of invoking various gods and ancestors;

Back to: Where are we now?

Has any of it ever worked to change the "where are we at, now?"

[ThePythonicCow]

I moved 13 posts from the above thread to a separate thread: Is Duncan O'Finioan really named Bobby Joe Fannin (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53740-Is-Duncan-O-Finioan-really-named-Bobby-Joe-Fannin)

[9eagle9]

I'm not the only person noticing that people are dragging their personal demons into a conversation about personal demons? I'd insert a lol there if were not so sobering.

I find it ironic that people with out of control emotional states fly in to to chide people about THEIR emotional states. Or even intellectual states.

It's called drui-ing. Summoning. See how subltle it is. Summon a demon. Summon a personal one or a morphological one, makes no difference. Do you think people do this intentionally or are even aware they are doing it? I'm sure they are not. Summon a personal demon to scatter a thread about something we should all know more about.

That's why its so sublte so hard to see. People's personal demons flying into scatter into knowing or self realization that might be wrought from this. I'ts no different than if you summoned some Horus Ra archetype to shut the talk down. How is it any way different if some archetypical construct does it or ...a person summons their personal demons to do it?

Duncan is an extreme symptom of what ails us all.

REMEMBER this is NOT personal . WE ALL OWN THIS PROBLEM.

Duncan: Early childhood imposition, abuse, psychic trauma, separation from who he was, auto hypnosis , alter personalities drugs, martial -corporal environment. That word alter--ALTAR. There is a reason it is named that.

We all suffer that in less extreme ways . Not by the government or MK ultra directly but by the psychic trauma that we accept as 'part of life' . Early abuse, psychic trauma, separation from who we are, auto hypnosis (tv) drugs. The difference is drugs is peddled into our food if we are not trotting down to the pharmacy for it ourselves. Duncan's had his forced into his veinous system.

Quite literally Duncan has been raped and his identity theived. So have we. I'm not sure i know of a single person who has suffered either without experiencing some anger. Fire, it motivates one to heal themselves. Fire is not really angry though, its very active.

The MK ULTRA model for creating psychic soldiers is the same programmng running in society. It's our new normal. We have no other common frame of reference (most of us.. unless you grew up on the moon). A less extreme version of the Monarch programs. Very subtle. No we don't notice it. We've had no other common frame of reference. It's our new normal because we don't know or ever had the experience of real normal.

OUR problem. It's not a pissing contest over who noticed it first .Lots of people have noticed peices of it. If people can stick on topic without summoning demons we get a larger picture. Outside and external influences brought forward to kick apart any meaning that anyone can get from other's input.

The more we need to know it the more they show up.

People like to keep this stuff hidden and not talked about . I always wonder why.

Its something common that we all share.

[ThePythonicCow]

Very concerning that you won't answer the question Amzer Zo....

That's Amzer's right, we-R-one. We don't get to choose where other's focus their attention. Expressing annoyance at someone else's choice risks coming across as badgering, which can create a distracting emotional cross current to the main topic(s) of discussion on a thread.


I want answers enfoldedblue, cause something isn't smelling right and all the alarm bells are going off. IF people are going to use stats I want to know the source, pure and simple.

Ditto ... :)

[Hervé]

Very concerning that you won't answer the question Amzer Zo....

That's Amzer's right, we-R-one. We don't get to choose where other's focus their attention. Expressing annoyance at someone else's choice risks coming across as badgering, which can create a distracting emotional cross current to the main topic(s) of discussion on a thread.


I want answers enfoldedblue, cause something isn't smelling right and all the alarm bells are going off. IF people are going to use stats I want to know the source, pure and simple.

Ditto ... :)

Psssttt... I did answer, see post # 111 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53702-Just-in-from-Duncan-for-those-who-follow-his-work.-2013-...-A-New-Year-or-a-Nightmare-...pt-1&p=607978&viewfull=1#post607978)above.

[Hervé]

The stats?

Plain observation: where are we now and in what state?

2000 years of Christianity;

2500 years of Budhism;

10,000 years of invoking various gods and ancestors;

Back to: Where are we now?

Has any of it ever worked to change the "where are we at, now?"

Meanwhile and for those same amount of years the "Programming of a Planet (http://projectavalon.net/Truman_Cash_The_Programming_of_a_Planet.pdf)" and its 3D equivalent of fostering satanic mind-controlled zombies have been stealthily and relentlessly at work and expanding = "Where we are at, now."

Hence my Post # 9 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53702-Just-in-from-Duncan-for-those-who-follow-his-work.-2013-...-A-New-Year-or-a-Nightmare-...pt-1&p=607495&viewfull=1#post607495) conclusion:


[...]

Time to clearly discover the actual target and the actual, effective, efficient methods to do away with it.

Unfortunately, this unravelling of the programming cannot be done "en masse" but only on an individual basis... and for that I'll refer the reader to 9eagle9 posts or Truman Cash's thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions) as well as the Horus Ra thread or Steve Richard's thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38458-Dreamtime-Healing-Using-Holographic-Kinetics).

[ThePythonicCow]

There were 14 posts in a row at this point in this thread that consisted almost entirely of demands, and the reaction to the demands by some posters for evidence, statistics, or explanations from other posters and had almost nothing to say about Duncan's comments. There had already been enough such demands in the posts still remaining above, and responses made thereto.

I moved those 14 posts to a separate thread: Demands for evidence continue on Duncan O'Finioan thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53749-Demands-for-evidence-continue-on-Duncan-O-Finioan-thread).

A case might be made that the emotional entanglement displayed in these 14 posts is evidence of exactly what Duncan is dealing with himself and warning us of.

[SKAWF]

in answer to the question...

what emotion should we feel when we see people selling their souls......

the answer is ..... none.

remain balanced.

dont allow yourself to be swept along by the positives or negatives of a situation.

dont feed into it.
in a state of balance, its easy to remain untouched even if you are surrounded by turmoil.

also.....

the mind.....

its just words. thats all a thought is.
its easy to take words, and apply a positive or negative connotation to them.
thats why the mind is easily stopped.
you get someone to believe in something,
then present them with a conflicting belief....
and for a while, it causes a mini brain crash.

and you can see real panic in someones eyes as they try to get some kind of grip on their own experience!

you can use the mind to try and understand what someone is saying,
but truthfully.......... you may not SEE it.

how many here have been conned by someone?

so you're there, and they are trying to get you to take the bait...
and instinctively you know it doesnt feel right,
but you dont have the knowledge to counter what they are saying,
even though you know something dodgy is going on...

so you go along with it. you allow them to convince you....... and then you get stung.

this highlights the limitations of the mind.

but we dont only have a mind.....
we have an imagination too.

the imagination gives us a much fuller picture.
i dont need to understand with my mind, because i can SEE when something is dodgy.
i dont even need to put words to the picture.

ive often said that the mind we are given, is like a psychological implant.
its not native to us.

its a snails pace in relation to intuition, and the imagination.

try to give the imagination authority over the mind. and actually see whats happening,
rather than using the mind to try and rationalize the experience.

you dont need it anyway.

why struggle to understand, that which you already know?

cheers

[Referee]

Doug Hagmann was on AJ and it all lines up with Lindsay, Duncan, Max Kieser, Gerald Celente and more. America may be looking at a financial collapse and soon.

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also, Gerald Celente on Fox Bizz.


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[Referee]

Duncan may be trying to tellus something like this!!

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[jaybee]

[snip]

So, what's on the way?

"They" are going to take away your guns for one, and going to do it soon! Like, in weeks.
Here's a little something for all you to think about...
Remember all those reports of foreign troops being brought in to have "joint training excerises with American troops?" Remember those times?
Anyone remember them ... uh ... leaving?
Didn't think so. They have a job to do and all of you will be seeing them on the streets very soon.

[snip]





above is a quote from Duncan.... from the OP

When someone says 'weeks'...I take this to mean around anything from a couple of weeks to 12 (ish) weeks.

So we don't have long to see if what he is predicting has any merit.


Oh...and 'they' won't be taking MY gun...

because I don't have one...:p


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[spiritwind]

Well, thank you Astrid for getting permission from Duncan to post his most current commentary for the New Year. I'd been wondering what he might have to say. When I weigh it against other intell coming in and my own personal sense of what is coming up it fits rather well. It's going to be interesting to see, if our ability to communicate continues, how the different people on the forum living in so many different parts of the world experience what is almost certainly going to play out on American soil. See, we've been removed from the fray in so many ways. We hear about what goes on in the rest of the world but, for most of us who don't get to travel, we really aren't that close to the action going on in other parts of the world. I know when I read about what happened in Bosnia back in the 90's I realized for the first time that our way of life could change literally overnight as it did for them there. And, as one guy said who lived through it (I'm sorry, I have a massive toothache right now and I'm not going to look for where the link was posted here by someone else on the forum, I can't even remember which thread) their politicians were telling them everything was going to be okay right up until the day it wasn't. I personally see the handwriting on the wall but don't feel the need to convince anyone else. I believe there are many who are quietly preparing (let's face it Bill, most of us can't move to South America) for what we know is most likely ahead. I still encourage everyone (especially everyone in the US) to read Political Ponerology as I"ve mentioned a couple times before. You will see many parallels to what is happening right now. Also a good time to practise emotional control cause we're gonna need it.

[jaybee]

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Anyone going to the seminar in Las Vegas in January...?


http://duncanofinioan.com/Home.php


If so....please let us all know all about it


cheers


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[9eagle9]

Because of our STILL seeming indoctrination that things will happen instantly.

Stricter gun control laws everytime some manic controlled person rubs out enough people in a horrifying enough way to make the MSM is 'taking away our guns'. Like ourselves they completely ignore the problem and then try to plaster some band aid 'solution' on it.

If, as some people suggest, the government is issuing weapons and mindcontrol to the perps of some of these more horrifying events, gun control laws are not going to help anything. Our guns will be controlled, we'll still be controlled, who is controlling our government? We're supposed to be. And that might be because we have so very little control over ourselves.

Some states will see it sooner than others. The government rather reflects ourselves back to us. They talk and bark and agonize other things, and then the paperwork has to go through another tediously slow process, then the state chimes in and wrestles with itself, its public and the federal government. So yes if you observe over the years they are taking away our guns. This may not be in the form of riot police breaking into your home to snag them in mass. I'm not discounting that prediction, I basically just don't see where it's necessary..yet.

With black friday more than a week in the past we have to retrain our selves not to think of 'instant' events and 'en mass' events.

We also tend to forget that the UK had its guns taken away from them a long time ago. The UK is 'us' too.

I've also observed the economy collapsing for quite a while. I'm not sure why I was blessed with this special ability that people think they have been deprived of, but the economy has been tanking for a loooong time. Not to be accused of having the inside scoop I just happened to notice that my wallet notices this as well.

[Chuck]

A good read! Thank you to EVERYONE who has contributed. I am enlightened. You are all mirrors to myself.

I suspect this is true:

If one of us makes it, with soul intact... then we are all saved!

[markpierre]

Surrounded by drunks and escapist fools that represented everything mindless I hate about this world.

You say "drunks" like it's a bad thing.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i157/SealJuice/winkdrink.jpg

I hear what you are saying. The shallow world is frustrating. Duncan says "See ANY changes for the good? You won't." That's not true. That's just how Duncan chooses to see the world. I see beauty everywhere I look. And I'm not high. And I don't subscribe to the same "The world has gone to ****" view. The world is full of horrors. And the world is full of beauty. And even if everything about the human experience is pure hell, which it is not, the wind still blows. The grass still grows. Dogs and grandmas still love unconditionally. The human heart is still full of wonder.

I'm no hippy, boys and girls. I keep my powder dry. But love still rules. Go love.


Drunk (sedated) as opposed to 'sober' or lucid. The world is full of beautiful things. Behind every beautiful image is a beautiful starving or oppressed child. Or loving dog or grandmother.
Looking at one, does not cancel the other. Love can prevail, but not that superficial love.
The wind still carries the stink of burning flesh, unless you distance yourself enough. I don't think you really missed my point.
Why did we drink? For our health? Because we're so happy and free?
Real love shares the burden. It weeps at suffering. Jesus wept. There's work to do.

[PurpleLama]

Jesus drank, too. FWIW.




Surrounded by drunks and escapist fools that represented everything mindless I hate about this world.

You say "drunks" like it's a bad thing.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i157/SealJuice/winkdrink.jpg

I hear what you are saying. The shallow world is frustrating. Duncan says "See ANY changes for the good? You won't." That's not true. That's just how Duncan chooses to see the world. I see beauty everywhere I look. And I'm not high. And I don't subscribe to the same "The world has gone to ****" view. The world is full of horrors. And the world is full of beauty. And even if everything about the human experience is pure hell, which it is not, the wind still blows. The grass still grows. Dogs and grandmas still love unconditionally. The human heart is still full of wonder.

I'm no hippy, boys and girls. I keep my powder dry. But love still rules. Go love.


Drunk (sedated) as opposed to 'sober' or lucid. The world is full of beautiful things. Behind every beautiful image is a beautiful starving or oppressed child. Or loving dog or grandmother.
Looking at one, does not cancel the other. Love can prevail, but not that superficial love.
The wind still carries the stink of burning flesh, unless you distance yourself enough. I don't think you really missed my point.
Why did we drink? For our health? Because we're so happy and free?
Real love shares the burden. It weeps at suffering. Jesus wept. There's work to do.

[markpierre]

In this context, nothing. FWIW.

[9eagle9]

Yes with love comes challenges . it gives love something to do. It is a motivator not a solution. Love always needs something to do. It's like the air in the compressor, you can't just let it sit there it needs an outlet. It will run an air wrench. the air itself won't fix the vehicle but it will drive the wrench that could repair it.

Duncan's outlets, the specifics, aren't loving or nice. The topics aren't. They never were. What drives him to say this is love.

I am always amazed by people who get so wound up by deficient subjects. Its not like the world was a land of milk, honey and love and suddenly someone mentions the government and the world went dark.

Lol..people are not advanced enough yet to practice will and the word, where you just say something and that makes it so.

Great love and Great Greed co exist here. That is duality.

Duncan if you read him enough has great love. He has enough love to stick his neck out and be fierce with people. Love has a benchmark of courage about it. Its easy to play with artificial love that just sits around and pines to be fulfilled or is summed up in a few catch phrases. It doesn't do anything but be passive.

He has great love for Miranda, he mentions it all the time how much he loves her even though he's not spray painting " I LOVE MIRANDA" in his blogs. One observes how much respect (another component of love) he has for her nonetheless..

He has great love of the metaphysical work he's doing.

He has great love for his cultures.

His godmother.

He has love of his workshops he conducts. I've read many of his blogs where he gushed how loving, energetic and informative they were based on the people in attendance.

A friend of mine recently conveyed that Duncan introduced my friend to a teacher that would open up new worlds for her.What do you call that? Hate? Negative? Fear mongering? I think its an aspect of love that he'd do that.

People who fear negative or deficiencies see only fear and and negative in people and in the world in general. I see a lot of love there too. Yes sometimes his topics are not about Miranda, his work, his godmother, or the other things he inadvertently tips us off to that he loves. A person who has to list a laundry list of love is tedious. If someone has to constantly go on and on about love they are deficient in it and attempting to reassure themselves of it because they don't understand it is the motivator not the solution.

Duncan understands that love is the motivator not the solution.

This is through observation and listening skills that people see this.

Truly folks, my kid loves it when I was poetic about how great she is, and she also doesn't like it when I put the poetry down, and say "you didn't do the dishes'

Both are aspects of love.

She comprehends this. She doesn't like it but she understands this.

[Hervé]

Because of our STILL seeming indoctrination that things will happen instantly.

Stricter gun control laws everytime some manic controlled person rubs out enough people in a horrifying enough way to make the MSM is 'taking away our guns'. Like ourselves they completely ignore the problem and then try to plaster some band aid 'solution' on it.

If, as some people suggest, the government is issuing weapons and mindcontrol to the perps of some of these more horrifying events, gun control laws are not going to help anything. Our guns will be controlled, we'll still be controlled, who is controlling our government? We're supposed to be. And that might be because we have so very little control over ourselves.

Some states will see it sooner than others. The government rather reflects ourselves back to us. They talk and bark and agonize other things, and then the paperwork has to go through another tediously slow process, then the state chimes in and wrestles with itself, its public and the federal government. So yes if you observe over the years they are taking away our guns. This may not be in the form of riot police breaking into your home to snag them in mass. I'm not discounting that prediction, I basically just don't see where it's necessary..yet.

With black friday more than a week in the past we have to retrain our selves not to think of 'instant' events and 'en mass' events.

We also tend to forget that the UK had its guns taken away from them a long time ago. The UK is 'us' too.

I've also observed the economy collapsing for quite a while. I'm not sure why I was blessed with this special ability that people think they have been deprived of, but the economy has been tanking for a loooong time. Not to be accused of having the inside scoop I just happened to notice that my wallet notices this as well.

Indeed, "they" get setbacks on their creepy-crawling progress...

WW I was behind schedule (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53442-Now-that-the-distractions-of-predicted-catastrophes-have-come-and-gone-what-s-left&p=604409&viewfull=1#post604409) <---)

WW II could have been ended a lot earlier than it happened but they needed the Russian to be the next scapegoat and, most of all, they needed their atomic bomb to be ready to plunge the world into apathetic fear of a nuclear holocaust.

The economic melt down was supposed to have happened with Y2K but didn't (see Pete Peterson's Camelot interview).

The main, major US cities have been spiked with nukes for a long time (see the numerous Bill Deagle's interviews) but haven't been activated yet. However, with 9-11 and the likely use of Directed Energy Weapons, nukes were rendered obsolete (thanks to Araucaria for the tip).

And, with the advent of missile/drone launched EMPs to disable electronics in bulk (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51108-EMP-The-Ultimate-Kill-Shot&p=573574&viewfull=1#post573574) <---), perhaps they are waiting for their sky holographs to be credible and believable before launching their version of "disclosure" with an attack from space?

All in all, there is still room for shining light on their endeavours and expose them for what they are.

[Bill Ryan]

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Copied from the critique of this thread, here: (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53749-Demands-for-evidence-continue-on-Duncan-O-Finioan-thread&p=608133&viewfull=1#post608133)





A friend wrote to me overnight to ask my opinion of what Duncan O'Finioan wrote. Here's my reply:




I agree that Duncan is exasperated with the New Age community and its disempowering, often wishful-thinking belief systems (e.g. about ascension, or that all the insiders were just about to be arrested) -- etc. As I think you know, I always fully agreed with him about all his observations.

The main difference between Duncan and myself is his presentational style: on occasions he seems to operate more like the enraged Incredible Hulk than the leader and teacher which he is. But the Hulk was a good guy... and did save the day for the Avengers team.

:)

And there's no doubt, for me, that Duncan's awareness serves him well. In my opinion, if Duncan calls it, we should listen carefully.

On the Avalon forum, there are quite a few requests for evidence of his claims. Here it is:

1) From Dave Hodges of The Common Sense Show (a very measured and well-written article):

Part One:
http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/12/25/ex-feds-and-wall-street-execs-are-going-into-hiding-why

Part Two:
http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/12/27/why-ex-feds-and-wall-street-execs-are-going-into-hiding

2) This information (as the Dave Hodges states) dovetails closely with the new Doug Hagmann ('Rosebud') information which emerged a few days earlier. Links to that are here. Must read also.

Part One:
http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305

Part Two:
http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310

It all fits with known scenarios and situations. This is what I was expecting earlier this year (2012), but which may now have been deferred till 2013. So far so good... but all this may still be on the cards.

Note that Alex Jones also interviewed Doug Hagmann two days ago:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvWBD7nG7qM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vvWBD7nG7qM

[Arrowwind]

Duncan and others who rant at people with their insults think that they are potentially waking people up. Words have power if they are projected loudly or softley. That you have to listen to Duncans tone of voice is bunk. Listen to the words. Words stick and have power. In the begining was the word...not in the beginning was the tone of voice.

Many people understand what is at stake. Who the hell needs someone telling them that they are not awake, stupid, on their asses, not listening.

Quite frankly, the way I see it is that the masses have no recourse when when faced with American military might if it should be turned on them, either though American military or an imported foreign force. Dont you think that we know that deep in our gut?... and dont you think that this is really why we have not had a revolution?

Most of us do not have the funds to enter a bunker in Colorado. Nor due we have the resources to defend ourselves against nuclear or energy weapons. Nor do we have the ability to defend ourselves against arial spraying or any other high tech weaponry that you can think of. We have not been able to stop our government in its participations in war anywhere!

What would you have us do? What would you have the masses do who live in the huge cities of our nation? People with no weapons, no money, totally susceptible to all kinds of high tech weaponry... Just what the hell does Duncan want the people to do?

Any resistance of any substance will be put down in a bloody bath. Occupy Wall Street has shown us what they will do when they decide to get even just a little bit nasty with us.... really, just a tiny bit nasty compared to the potential. What do you think would happen if 5 million rose up? Really, what do you think would happen? and here they are shutting down websites already.

But we get these personallities nagging at us to wake up but they really give us no idea of what we should do. Do you really think that arming yourself with guns at all will benefit you against such treasonous, murderous intentions that he predicts? I have chosen that I would go down fighting.

What should people do that have children? have elders? handicaped?

We could all up and move to Ecuador... yes, some could... but the vast majority wont becasue we have family and connections to the earth right here, nor the vast majority do not have the monetary resources to do so... to run.

Frankly I dont want to listen to someone nagging at me that Im an idiot, Im on my ass, or my knees, or that I am incapable of thinking and not listening to others. I want some real viable solutions from all these folks who place themselves in the spotlight, who think they have all the answers, who clearly have deterimend that we are all asleep and only they are awake.

If they are awake I want the dam answers to my questions.

Since no real answers have come my way except from a very select few that I have chosen that reflect a potential reality that I might be able to interface with, I have gone on making my own choices in my own way for my own life sustenence with no help from those who tell me the terror that is out there, who have called me and millions of others not too different from me that we are hopeless and on our asses. I have discussed my choices many times on this forum.

When the likes of Duncan start presenting real solutions instead of terrorizing people with stories adnausem, I will listen to him more.

So should we arm ourselves? prepare for war? die a hero under the fire of high tech weapons we stand no chance against?
Just what is the solution? I'm dam tired of discussing the problem.

[Carmody]

as for proof.

I could back the things I'm saying, in some cases, specific cases. I could provide credentials by providing science that is yet to be or is on the verge of discovery. I could provide science that would upset everyone's applecart and bring credence to what I say. (which, BTW, I do regularly on this forum. I have a 2 year history of doing exactly that)

But real, world changing proofs? Proofs that enable people and get them moving?

This would result in about 5 or 10 people on the given forum understanding what I'm saying. And I'd be the hero of the moment, on that given forum.

But soon, I'd get cancer or have an accident, and depending on the data, possibly die quickly.

The result is that I provide proof, but at great personal cost....and my life and efforts have been made effectively non-existent. and the rest of the world will see that one tiny moment.... as ephemeral and non-real 'internet bull****'.

This is effectively where we stand with the demands for 'proof'.

Dead people.... and 5 others satisfied ....and the rest?..... thinking and believing that it is all bull****.

[Fred Steeves]

Personally I have no problem with what Duncan says. A lot of it makes sense, I respect him and his history, and we would probably be friends if we were neighbors. Thing is though, being the stubborn cuss that I am, I learn through equal interaction with other knowledgeable people, not being talked to like I'm a dumb f**k. If that works for some people then great, more power to ya, it just doesn't work with me.

I don't recall ever learning anything in this world from someone talking down to me, except how to deal with someone talking down to me. But hey, that's something...(LOL)

Cheers,
Fred

[Arrowwind]

You can discuss all the problems in the world till you are blue in the face.
Discussing problems without moving forward solutions only instills fear.

[CdnSirian]

We are dealt with certain realities now, more intensely. Awareness inevitably brings conflict.

I am aware of the origin of the rare earth/metals that make our electronics work. But if I were to give up those devices, I would not be able to function in this arena, or any other, currently.

I have written and have had published, a small work, about this very topic. And been asked to present a short performance film about it...which I may not be able to pull off, lacking the very technology I need to do this at a presentable level of quality. Using devices made workable by those child-mined metals...it's a Catch 22.

Back to the OP and the many points it has brought up in this thread -

I am not devoid of momentary terrors - which I use the tools I have to move on from, pretty well daily.

I realize that all many of us can do is to remain calm and observant when S**t goes down, when the manipulations are right in our face and we see what's coming.

And must use our will to maintain the best energy vision we can, while we take whatever action is necessary. That we can.

"The Solution" thread spells it out. 9 Eagle 9 has taken time to point out the love motivation behind the OP viewpoint.

Many on this thread have offered excellent points. I've read it through twice and what more is there to say. Except that we have our conflicts to deal with. Getting rid of the computer won't release those kids in the mines. That comes later. Their part is to motivate us.

"What's in your wallet"? Investments lost, work hours lost, credit lost. You can't miss the collapsing economy, well, most of us.

Can't travel or take days off to get to a survival workshop? Can't get out of town? Can't this, can't that?

Decide what you can do.

Years ago I heard Bashar say "you are your government". :tape2::alien: 9 Eagle 9 said the same above.

I know many people who never vote. They deprive themselves of the input they could have on the local level...which counts, in my opinion. You can start with the neighborhood watch, where you meet your neighbors. You see who is assertive, who is connected, who is alone. You see which cops donate their time for this. You might learn about your local politicians and what they're up to. Knowledge is at least some power.

You start where you are, and do what you can do.

And soon I must get off Avalon - it's both a gift, and an escape. :)

[Whiskey_Mystic]

as for proof.

I could back the things I'm saying, in some cases, specific cases. I could provide credentials by providing science that is yet to be or is on the verge of discovery. I could provide science that would upset everyone's applecart and bring credence to what I say. (which, BTW, I do regularly on this forum. I have a 2 year history of doing exactly that)

But real, world changing proofs? Proofs that enable people and get them moving?

This would result in about 5 or 10 people on the given forum understanding what I'm saying. And I'd be the hero of the moment, on that given forum.

But soon, I'd get cancer or have an accident, and depending on the data, possibly die quickly.

The result is that I provide proof, but at great personal cost....and my life and efforts have been made effectively non-existent. and the rest of the world will see that one tiny moment.... as ephemeral and non-real 'internet bull****'.

This is effectively where we stand with the demands for 'proof'.

Dead people.... and 5 others satisfied ....and the rest?..... thinking and believing that it is all bull****.

If it were me, I certainly would not jeopardize my life and family because someone on an internet forum demanded proof from me.

Often when I speak, I need the reader to trust that what I say comes from a long history of diligent practice, study, and personal integrity. The currency that I buy that trust with is the content of my collective posts which anyone can review if they want to know what kind of person I am.

Carmody has earned some trust over two years of posting. I take him at face value. If he says he has information or unspoken data to back up what he says, that is good enough for me.

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxx

[Arrowwind]

I realize that all many of us can do is to remain calm and observant when S**t goes down, when the manipulations are right in our face and we see what's coming.

:)

this question is not directed just at you CdnSirian, but to the group at large.
So we know the problems, we see the manipulations.
What next?
Hope to dart out of the way fast enough
when they come to hit home? Ultimately, will speaking be enough?

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the seed holders and harvesters,
and I didn't speak out because I didn't grow food,
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the gun owners,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a gun owner,
Then they came for the raw milk producers,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a milk producer,
then they came for the local organic folks breaking them with regulation,
but I didn't speak out because I did not eat organic,
then they came for the first ammendment promoters,
but I didn't even know what the first ammendent was so I was silent,
then they came with concentration camps across our lands,
but I did not speak out for my neighbors grimace,
then they came with false flag events,
then they came with chemtrails across my azure sky,
and when I spoke they called me crazy,
but I didn't speak out for further social fears and intimidation,
then they came with foreign troops hidden before our eyes,
and I did not speakout because I could not see,

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

[Arrowwind]

as for proof.

I could back the things I'm saying, in some cases, specific cases. I could provide credentials by providing science that is yet to be or is on the verge of discovery. I could provide science that would upset everyone's applecart and bring credence to what I say. (which, BTW, I do regularly on this forum. I have a 2 year history of doing exactly that)

*.

the proof evidence thread is here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53749-Demands-for-evidence-continue-on-Duncan-O-Finioan-thread&p=608028#post608028

[Selene]

[Edited by Selene] Quite frankly, the way I see it is that the masses have no recourse …..Don’t you think that we know that deep in our gut?... Most of us do not have the funds to….. Nor do we have the resources ….. Nor do we have the ability …. We have not been able to stop …. What would you have us do?... Just what the hell does Duncan want the people to do?


But we get these personalities nagging at us to wake up but they really give us no idea of what we should do. …..What should people do that have children? have elders? handicaped?


Frankly I don’t want to listen to someone nagging at me …..I want some real viable solutions from all these folks who place themselves in the spotlight, who think they have all the answers, who clearly have determined that we are all asleep and only they are awake.

If they are awake I want the dam answers to my questions.




Much as I appreciate your heartfelt cry for someone “who is awake” to tell you what to do, Arrowwind, that’s precisely the wrong question to ask.

No one – no matter how well informed or well meaning they may be – can or should be telling you what to do about your situation.

That’s the problem: we each need to find our own bearings, our own inner compass and solution. And do the next step from there.

And don’t snort that you’re plenty “inner knowing” already. That’s precisely my point: if your external situation is dissatisfactory, that’s a sign that we may need to do more inner work to find our own integrity. (I am not speaking of you alone here, AW, but your post serves as a good example of the plaint of many others. I hope you will allow me to use it as a springboard here.)

When we cry: What’s the use? What’s the point? What can I do – I cannot do ‘everything’, so I will therefore do ‘nothing’ – that’s exactly the kind of disempowering deer-in-the-headlights freeze that works perfectly to ensure that you will not be able to respond appropriately to your unique situation. You can’t fix everybody’s problem, but you can work on your own.

Look, it’s normal to feel overwhelmed by fear when you first realize what’s happening around you. As the astronauts are fond of saying: “If you aren’t scared spitless, you don’t fully understand the situation...”. It’s okay to feel afraid, or frozen or helpless. The trick is to take the next step and move somehow, anyway. To feel the fear and yet be able to act in your own best interest. Some of that response will be instinctive, some will be trained, some will come from a realm you never knew existed until you needed it.

What should you do?

It’s very simple: just do the next thing, the immediate thing, from right where you are now. That’s all.

And then look around and see what you need to do next.

The rest will follow.

All my best wishes,

Selene

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxx

[Flash]

Arrowind, you have been coming with what seems a sense of urgency for a few days now.

You do have a good mind and a good heart, and it is not in your habit to force drill down thing on us like this by asking what we do, asking for justifications, giving moral lessons or asking for action. Therefore I presume you have seen/heard/felt something lately.

I would very much like to know what it is that make you change behavior on the forum. What are your psychic abilities telling you precisely? Without the lessons. Just the plain feeling or vision?

You may or may not answer, up to you, but I would really like to know.

[Arrowwind]

[

What should you do?

It’s very simple: just do the next thing, the immediate thing, from right where you are now. That’s all.

And then look around and see what you need to do next.

The rest will follow.

All my best wishes,

Selene


So no collective action. Just individual pillars of light who will somehow know what to do when the tanks come rolling down the road. Hmm.. I hadn't considered how effective that might be. In this case I and you will be needing all the best wishes possible

[Selene]

The mistake would be to assume that nothing else can or will trigger you into action, that only "tanks coming down the road" can happen.

Bad is the plan that will admit no changes....

I prefer flexibility and awareness, myself. It opens up many alternative avenues of response.

[Arrowwind]

The mistake would be to assume that nothing else can or will trigger you into action, that only "tanks coming down the road" can happen.

Bad is the plan that will admit no changes....

I prefer flexibility and awareness, myself. It opens up many alternative avenues of response.

Well according to Duncan it will be tanks coming down the road to move people nto the awareness that yes, indeed your reality is about to change..
What concrete, tangible things are people doing?

[Heartsong]

Just a question..
We've heard that government employees are retiring and moving, that bankers are taking to the hills..
Have we heard anything about businesses taking a get-ready position? What are the Walmarts, KMarts, Kroger's and Safeway doing midst all this foreboding information?

[Arrowwind]

[B][/COLOR]

This is just my opinion but they will not get past #4. I just do not see that happening.

then you haven't been looking around, IMHO.

[Arrowwind]

Arrowind, you have been coming with what seems a sense of urgency for a few days now.

You do have a good mind and a good heart, and it is not in your habit to force drill down thing on us like this by asking what we do, asking for justifications, giving moral lessons or asking for action. Therefore I presume you have seen/heard/felt something lately.

I would very much like to know what it is that make you change behavior on the forum. What are your psychic abilities telling you precisely? Without the lessons. Just the plain feeling or vision?

You may or may not answer, up to you, but I would really like to know.

I have no psychic abilitites above and beyond anyone else on this forum. In general, I simply read the writing on the wall. I'd like to think that we will not loose our rights to bear arms but I am not convinced that it will not happen... consequently lots of letter writing this past week.


I am dismayed that as a collective of people who seek to maintain freedom little in solutions has been presented. If I knew the solutions I would be screaming them from the rooftops... the small voice inside says a monumentous revolution is requried, moving millions into action.

I will keep asking for solutions until the day I die. I will not be a willy nilly newager hoping for the aliens or the light or anyone one else to save me or us. I am woefully aware that what I have prepared may not be enough considering the nature of the force that is present to destroy our freedom. If my freedom is destroyed so will be yours, my children, your children and likely that of most of the world.

I will keep asking as I have done many times on this forum... so no, this is not a new question for me to be asking.

I think that a solutions platform needs to be addressed but you wont be hearing one from Duncan in my estimation. When I put up a post about the thrive movement solutions platform some here smacked me in the face.

I will keep asking because I want an answer. I will not stop asking regardless of how disagreeable some may find it, and I can understand that the request for solutions can be very disturbing when one looks at their reality and sees none that will ge the job done

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxxx

[Arrowwind]

Arrowind,

I respect your message and your opinion but let me tell you what I see when I look around. I live in Colorado and at our last big gun show about two days ago the lines went around the block. Background checks for buying a weapon are so backed up that what should take a few hours is now taking up to ten days. They are processing more concealed carry permits than ever at a record-breaking rates. The price of an assault rifle has doubled and they are sold out. People are stocking up on ammunition and it is flying off the shelves. This is what I see where I live. If you want to see people in my state take to the streets, try and tell them they can’t have their guns. The PTB know this if I know it. Again, we can disagree but I know what I see when I look around my town

Im not surprised that this is happening and this urgency purchasing has happened before. It also spawned the opening of new ammo factories in the US. I am trying to remain optimistic that our freedoms will remain intact. But in light of this last school shooting there is a huge momentum rising to take guns away. Certainly if this comes to pass you will see some state rights issues coming forward and a willingness to throw the feds out of state lines. We, IMHO, must take a stand. Did you listen to the video Bill Ryan posted... just one example of what is going on out there. I doubt the ptb are too concerned about us taking to the streets as their guns are bigger than ours and always will be. Maybe better than taking to the streets is taking off from work... but most Americans live hand to mouth these days so its a very scary affair.

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxxx

[Arrowwind]

Repression of speech is the first tactical movment.

Facebook closes progun accounts.

http://www.examiner.com/article/facebook-becomes-big-brother-closes-pro-gun-accounts?cid=rss

[Freed Fox]

I share the desire to be proactive, but if action is taken that is misguided or shortsighted, then it could result in doing more harm than good.

The time may come to take a stand, but it has to come at the right time. Start organizing too soon, or under an overly-aggressive banner, and the whole thing will be defeated or deflated. There has been "a big push" for gun control since Newtown, but in reality it has been little more than talk (so, as you can see, the other side has the same issue as us, in a way). To be honest, any real, practical course of action (outside of OWS-style protests) will not gain the proper support until the public at large has awaken to these realities. We can each do our part to help that happen, but I tend to think it will not happen en-mass until the tanks actually do hit the streets. You may think of that point as being too late to do anything, but I believe it will be the tipping point for the movement we desire to form and take off in earnest.

I'm not saying that being proactive is not a virtue. But the so-called PTB have immense measures in place to monitor and survey the population. You don't want "the answer" to be silenced and labeled by the MSM as a grassroots terrorist network that was taken out before unleashing hell.

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxxx

[another bob]

A human being cannot “sell its soul” any more than a character/avatar in a video game can sell its player. Nevertheless, all the character’s virtual experiences will go into the player’s file, as recorded data, and that file will consequently serve to determine the player’s next adventure in gaming.

for more, see http://theconsciousprocess.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/fighting-the-powers-that-be/

:yo:

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with this special ability that people think they have been deprived of, but the economy has been tanking for a loooong time. Not to be accused of having the inside scoop I just happened to notice that my wallet notices this as well.

Great new profile pic, Grail Maiden!

[blufire]

Thanks astrid for relaying this information to us from Duncan.

I have always liked Duncan and I feel no different with this latest blog. I feel complete frustration rolling off his words in waves. . . .what is so clear to him and (has been for years) is amazing to him that so few of us can see what he sees so clearly. In my defense I will have to say things are becoming clearer to me with each passing week.

Oddly though, with my new ‘remembered’ revelations I do not feel anger or fear or sadness etc . . . . what I can say I feel is something akin to “Well hell, how come I couldn’t see this before and all these past years?”

Yes, our guns will be taken away in a matter of weeks, but not in the form of a physical removal (not yet any way). Legislation will be enacted that has already been put in place via the Patriot Act and/or Obama’s Health Care Plan that will allow them to move forward in actual physical removal of all tools that could be considered ‘weapons’. This is just another step as Duncan said that, has been strategically implemented for thousands of years. Where Duncan’s words falter for me a bit though is his only insistence this is a war for our souls. I feel this is another “thought process’ that has been thoroughly implanted in our minds that keeps us derailed from understanding the ultimate outcome.

We are (on global scale) being moved forward (quickly now) into a One World Government or perhaps you could say a United Earth. This idea has been brandied about for so long that it has lost its full meaning and more specifically the impact of such a goal and what it would mean to humanity to achieve. It also, has been colored with only negative fearful implications . . . as in something we should not want or strive for.

What ‘they’ are implementing step by step is exactly what would enable this type of governing body to be put in place. It will take 25 to 50 more years . . . . . and these will be horrible, traumatic years for most . . . but for those who are ‘aware’ or ‘awake’ (pesky little words) to see this is where we are headed can position themselves and adapt enough that most of this turmoil will pass them by.

Arrowwind, you and others like we-R-one are demanding proof and solutions. We first need to fairly agree where we are headed and what ‘their’ plan is . . . .even if it is on a very basic foundational level.

I would propose we first see if we on this forum could do this and also determine if this ultimate outcome (NWO or United Earth) would be a bad or negative thing. After all . . . before we can become a member of something like The United Federation of Planets (200 or 300 years down the road) we first have to become a United Planet . . . don’t you think? It definitely won’t be pleasant getting to this point but ‘they’ are actually leading us down this very path.

We are the other swing of the pendulum in our ever continuing quest of perpetuating our duality. The ironic thing is ‘we’ want this beautiful abundant future, in which, ‘they’ are leading the way. What we haven’t become ‘aware’ of is that our swing to the other side of duality needs to be tempered enough that we balance ‘their’ side of the pendulum so that more of humanity will enter this new abundant world and we will obtain it quicker and kinder.

We get stuck on the immediate actions and fail to determine the ultimate outcome or goal.

[Rocky_Shorz]

[

What should you do?

It’s very simple: just do the next thing, the immediate thing, from right where you are now. That’s all.

And then look around and see what you need to do next.

The rest will follow.

All my best wishes,

Selene


So no collective action. Just individual pillars of light who will somehow know what to do when the tanks come rolling down the road. Hmm.. I hadn't considered how effective that might be. In this case I and you will be needing all the best wishes possible

if you have food, you will not die, if you have water you will not die, if you don't buy machine guns, you will not die...

if you threaten to Fight you will be hauled away, if you have no food or water, you might want to join them...

keeping a cool head is going to protect you and your family...

Having enough food to last 2-3 months, is long enough to last until help makes it...

if you have done that, everything Duncan says is ready, now relax...

we'll tell ya when to freak out, not Duncan, a person who claims MK Ultra is helping humanity...

getting handed notes by a secret insider...

on his way to the country club to laugh with his buddies about the next conspiracy...

[Arrowwind]

Repression of speech is the first tactical movment.

Facebook closes progun accounts.

http://www.examiner.com/article/facebook-becomes-big-brother-closes-pro-gun-accounts?cid=rss

they failed to close this one so they are not fully on top of any agenda. And natural news that got shut down today is open again with the "offending post" intact.
http://www.facebook.com/2ndAmendmentSupporters

[9eagle9]

As recently demonstrated the collective can't get along well enough to have a collective solution. The first time the problem is addressed and it causes conflict then one has just shut the door on a collective solution. A collective means everyone. Not just a lot of people, mostly, let's exclude the one's we don't like. That is not a collective that is dividing.

There are a lot of people I don't like. I wouldn't exclude them based on my dislike from any solution. I think I am correct in saying that the solution should address why I dislike them in the first place, so thus take care of that problem when the solution is provided for everyone.

It is crazy making to demand answers from others and when they give them to you , one tells the other to shut up. Or that the answer is 'wrong' simply because you have a personal dislike of the mouth that answered what YOU asked for. A dialog would be started if one could simply say, that won't work for me because.....

You know how much time people have saved me by saying You are doing that wrong.

You're about to step in a hole.

Your fly is unzipped.



Neither do people like to be ignored when they ask for answers. Then they don't like the answers. Then they don't like the person whom the answer came from. Or the like the person but the answer didn't help them.
There is no progress there.

However we have one thing we have control over. Ourselves. We have been given one life to manage. If we wait around for solutions we aren't managing our lives. Maybe we keep coming back again and again until we learn. Our life to control. If we are managing others or demanding from others we become parasitical. We become what we are trying to resolve.

Duncan has learned the importance of managing one's self and the means to do it. He has a challenge that none of us will experience in such a extreme way. We are lucky. We didn't have direct mind control, chems, auto hypnosis, and split personalities and altars to contend with. He has and will continue over coming it. I imagine its an excruciating challenge, hard, painful--- the things he must wrestle with in the dead of the night.

That was not a good reason NOT to do it. If he can overcome all that, I think we can spade out our mommy issues. Or our 'I wasn't nutured' issues.

But we still don't want to do it. I'd imagine he gets angry that he had to climb a mountain and everyone is moaning that they can't kick at a anthill because someone isn't around to tell them how to do it or do it for them. Or want the responsiblity at all. We experience that in our domestic relationships where one person is shouldering the burden of work, domestic responsiblities and someone is complaining that they had to feed the cat. If we are honest with our selves we know trivial stuff like that makes us angry.

The people who are complaining about not having a solution are the ones not doing the work. My house has never been cleaned with a magick wand. It's cleaned because I dragged the vaccumn out.

We can learn to manage it, and dig down into our problem (which is a collective problem) and eventually we will dig enough to where there is no problem. No solution needed. No solution is needed if the problem is no longer there.

If we can't manage our own emotional bodies and mental bodies that means we are not managing ourselves, so we create a space for something to come in and manage us . That is why MK ultra targets people when they are young. They have little in the way of self management skills.

There is no collective solution that will have us because we have become part of the problem. . If we take our personal problems into a committee or a collective solution we destroy it. I don't care where I go in the world someone will be saying something that doesn't comfort me. Gas is going up. Food is going up. They may take our guns. What Duncan says does not comfort me. Neither does it frighten me. Neither will I deny or avoid it.

What he says may not go down like that for me. It may go down for someone else and I know this because that has ALREADY happened. I don't think someone is going to drive a tank down the back forty here. They may in Detroit. If one has ever been to Detroit that is not really such a bad thing. But if its in your neighborhood it takes on a different ring.

A collective solution if one exists is not going to be about comfort. Anything a collective offers will offer a challenge to stretch yourself. It will be hard. You would have to work hard on yourself as in indivdual just to be part of the collective in a way that is not destructive. There is not a sustainablity community in the world that says "Come on in and lounge around while we put by fifty tons of hay"

When you advance far enough in that work you realize you don't need a collective. Individuals with the ability to be harmonious in a collective sense would be optimal but I' m not expecting miracles.

That is the only thing we can manage. I have no solution other than to dig away at the probelm as it exists within myself. That is the ONE thing I have ULTIMATE control over. ME. Collectively the only thing I can offer is 'here are my tools. ' Start digging.

I am one person. I can't help 7 billion people in a meaningful way. I can help myself I can learn to manage myself. no one will fix me. I can't ask that people fix me. I especially can't ask if I am not willing to help myself.

For me I will be oaky. A lot of people will be oaky -doeky. That doesn't mean something bad isn't going to happen, or I won't be challenged, but I will be okay. Because I have done some work to make me competent and resourceful, prepared, and not get tangled up in fright where I'm tripping over my feet.

That won't apply to everyone nor did I include everyone in that scenario not because I hate people but because so many people are not doing their own work.

Okay. We will be okay IF we do our inner work. Again this not to say nothing will happen, or we won't be challenged. We have then prepared ourselves to meet challenges. Once we are okay then maybe maybe people as individuals can conjure up this dream solution of beams of light and ufo's.

[Patrikas]

TIME OF THE LIVING SOUL



Mankind will know they are not just physical or mechanical

They are the divine essence of creator and mother Earth in unification of their creation



Consciousness will no longer disallow the cellular memory of the Divine Soul

As Creator comes in to merge with his loving one named Earth

All angeletic energies touch all upon her being



This touch is the TIME the Knowing of the Divine that is ALL Connected in this Earth Walk



Rejoice and Honor



Let your beings have Permission to Know Your Soul Worth in the light of Divine Grace

As your Planet Spins into her Divinity



She Loves You and will Guide You with our Holy Creator



What is to change is not Punishment

But true Endowment of all

Those that have searched for - from their original - back to fulfillment of all bodies on all levels



Do NOT Sell Your Souls Short –

Your form is for the beautiful expression of your Holy Light



Earth has chosen and stands with you all





There shall no longer be a body of power led thru Fear

But through Love and Respect and Honor of ALL Upon Your Sacred Planet



Live here in all levels

No more separation will be accepted thru Destructiveness

All have had ample TIME to choose know and BE





Time of the Living Soul is Here Now

[Rocky_Shorz]

Wow,

speaking of Angels, welcome back...


As recently demonstrated the collective can't get along well enough to have a collective solution. The first time the problem is addressed and it causes conflict then one has just shut the door on a collective solution. A collective means everyone. Not just a lot of people, mostly, let's exclude the one's we don't like. That is not a collective that is dividing...


...Okay. We will be okay IF we do our inner work. Again this not to say nothing will happen, or we won't be challenged. We have then prepared ourselves to meet challenges. Once we are okay then maybe maybe people as individuals can conjure up this dream solution of beams of light and ufo's.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Wow,

speaking of Angels, welcome back...


As recently demonstrated the collective can't get along well enough to have a collective solution. The first time the problem is addressed and it causes conflict then one has just shut the door on a collective solution. A collective means everyone. Not just a lot of people, mostly, let's exclude the one's we don't like. That is not a collective that is dividing...


...Okay. We will be okay IF we do our inner work. Again this not to say nothing will happen, or we won't be challenged. We have then prepared ourselves to meet challenges...

in a collective there are no decisions...

living in a state of knowing means no questions...

knowing what is best for us, not me me me me me makes the choice only one...

[Anchor]

I would propose we first see if we on this forum could do this and also determine if this ultimate outcome (NWO or United Earth) would be a bad or negative thing. After all . . . before we can become a member of something like The United Federation of Planets (200 or 300 years down the road) we first have to become a United Planet . . . don’t you think? It definitely won’t be pleasant getting to this point but ‘they’ are actually leading us down this very path.

We are the other swing of the pendulum in our ever continuing quest of perpetuating our duality. The ironic thing is ‘we’ want this beautiful abundant future, in which, ‘they’ are leading the way. What we haven’t become ‘aware’ of is that our swing to the other side of duality needs to be tempered enough that we balance ‘their’ side of the pendulum so that more of humanity will enter this new abundant world and we will obtain it quicker and kinder.

We get stuck on the immediate actions and fail to determine the ultimate outcome or goal.

Nicely put.

Each of us (taking action) must be certain of what our goal is, and keep our minds on the goal. It is a lot easier to navigate in that environment - and our finite brains are quite well set up to spot differences and deviations, if we pay attention. The tricky dudes who try to impose their goals in place of yours, need to make it seem normal and in line with your goal, which for some people is easy, and for others not even possible anymore.


--


Referring to the OP: I think selling your soul is the context used here is impossible - one either does something or one does not based on freewill; any "bindings" come from a sense of honor.

Later re-evaluation is possible. It seems simple logic to me that one cannot enter into a "binding" contract unless one knows all the terms and conditions and then agrees to them. As incarnates in flesh, we don't and can't know it all. This is not to say that one can't enter into a foolhardy agreements that will cause you no end of problems, because we can - but the soul has little to do with that - they are not the sort that survive your incarnation

I suppose if you have managed to penetrate the gateway to infinite consciousness and then you make a contract in full knowledge then that's a whole other thing, and in the context of this thread, not applicable!

To think otherwise - IMO - is a fear play. It seems to be that most people don't even relate to their soul on a daily basis - and the unknown is an easy thing to play fear games on. This may be necessary now, because among the awakened its getting less common to fear death. If I was an elite overlord, I would be looking at ways of getting round this annoying lack of fear now being demonstrated among larger numbers of people.

[Freed Fox]

This may be necessary now, because among the awakened its getting less common to fear death.

That's one thing I've noticed, except that some who think they've woken up are still really scared.

I'm not afraid, just patient.

[Rocky_Shorz]

awakened only means learning...

asleep means not even knowing there are unanswered questions...

[Patrikas]

This may be necessary now, because among the awakened its getting less common to fear death.

That's one thing I've noticed, except that some who think they've woken up are still really scared.

I'm not afraid, just patient.

Hi,
just like to add my 2 cents on this ,
being woken doesent mean you dont feel fear because it "just goes away"... for me it hasnt ......
its how you respond to it when its felt or comes up......stay well

[Freed Fox]

Thanks Patrikas. I agree that the response matters a lot. Some are obviously fearful, while others turn it into aggression or desperation.
And I didn't mean to imply that I never feel fear. Specifically I mean that I have confronted my own potential death, was convinced on a few occasions that it was not far away (because of legitimate facts about my health, not some far-fetched paranoia), and now have reached a resolution in that regard. I'm not afraid of it. I am patiently anticipating it.

[modwiz]

who is controlling our government? We're supposed to be. And that might be because we have so very little control over ourselves.


This is about as close to identifying the problem one can get with just a few words. Most of us have children and know the way they leave lights, dishes, clothes or whatever for us to either pick up after or badger them to do. We might threaten, impose punishments, restrictions on liberties to try and get them to take responsibility. This has been our relationship to government. Children become adults when they act like them and not when they cross some age demarcation line.

We get the government we deserve. We the collective. I am not the first to say this. Our outward problem is government, the symptom. The cause is ourselves. The illness will not resolve until the cause of it has been addressed.

[Carmody]

As recently demonstrated the collective can't get along well enough to have a collective solution. The first time the problem is addressed and it causes conflict then one has just shut the door on a collective solution. A collective means everyone. Not just a lot of people, mostly, let's exclude the one's we don't like. That is not a collective that is dividing...


...Okay. We will be okay IF we do our inner work. Again this not to say nothing will happen, or we won't be challenged. We have then prepared ourselves to meet challenges. Once we are okay then maybe maybe people as individuals can conjure up this dream solution of beams of light and ufo's.

Yes. Before healing, comes many ****ty days. But, in many ways, the ugly part of the given days are all in the mind, but do have outlying physical aspects. which, of course, should not be confused as being the source of the issue, they are merely a symptom.

[Patrikas]

Being awake also means that we as individuals,... and collectivley.... as the Human race
are not the only consciousness on this planet that have choice....

[Heather2017]

who is controlling our government? We're supposed to be. And that might be because we have so very little control over ourselves.


This is about as close to identifying the problem one can get with just a few words. Most of us have children and know the way they leave lights, dishes, clothes or whatever for us to either pick up after or badger them to do. We might threaten, impose punishments, restrictions on liberties to try and get them to take responsibility. This has been our relationship to government. Children become adults when they act like them and not when they cross some age demarcation line.

We get the government we deserve. We the collective. I am not the first to say this. Our outward problem is government, the symptom. The cause is ourselves. The illness will not resolve until the cause of it has been addressed.

Yes, time to be the change we want to see in the world... and we have been interfered with. Clearly there's an antihuman agenda at work, and I don't think it came from us. Interesting how different things look when we begin clearing away the mind control and taking back our power... not for personal gain but for the greater good.

I love Duncan, and he's a wounded warrior like a lot of us. I pray that all may be healed from trauma and mind control.

[eaglespirit]

I am sharing this here tonite because I am getting it so strongly...

WE are Higher Beings...period.
WE each are at different stages of fully accepting that responsibility.
WE can change it all and came here to do so.
WE are at the tipping point.
WE are the direct connection down here to open the gate for the direct help of Our Higher Extensions/Family/Friends.
WE cannot do this alone...and have to 'ask' for help to get this done for many, many reasons You ALL already know!

Open the gate by asking for help 'directly' from the Higher Us together, once and for all so that WE may start 'really' changing everything on Mother Earth, Now!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=607631&viewfull=1#post607631

If some of You do not see it this way as shared in the link above, so be it...
there are countless of Us doing the work We are Guided to do around the World that do see it this way.
And I have met many of Them, personally...and that is as much 'proof' as I can provide that it is happening
and it simply needs 'powerful' strengthening from each of Us to put it all over the top!

[Arrowwind]

Arrowwind, you and others like we-R-one are demanding proof and solutions. We first need to fairly agree where we are headed and what ‘their’ plan is . . . .even if it is on a very basic foundational level.

I would propose we first see if we on this forum could do this and also determine if this ultimate outcome (NWO or United Earth) would be a bad or negative thing. After all . . . before we can become a member of something like The United Federation of Planets (200 or 300 years down the road) we first have to become a United Planet . . . don’t you think? It definitely won’t be pleasant getting to this point but ‘they’ are actually leading us down this very path.

We get stuck on the immediate actions and fail to determine the ultimate outcome or goal.

Well, I am not adverse to collective and a collective can be anything that it determines itself to be. There are many collectives on the planet and in each and every city and people work in collective all the time. This has been going on forever... so nothing new there. I can never accept that collectives dont work.

But bluefire you bring up a very good point. Which way is the pendulem going to swing regarding the NWO. We have dirty deals going on all around us, trying to control us into a destiny that we are not choosing. Is a NWO headed up by the white hats what we really want? Why or why not. ?

What is the NWO plan? Clearly the plan appears more repression to me from concetration camps, to forced medication of children to reduction and loss of any semblance of a social saftety net, to agenda 21 and corporate control of all food sources and so so many things inbetween. Are we destined to be stomping out one fire after another forever to make this swing towards freedom and human care and freedom for all people to bring forth such a concept as a United Earth?

Actually we have lots of different types of collectives in my small community. An avelon collective Im not so optimistic on... as one cant hardly even get people to talk about solutions that a collective could possibly do. And aside from that it is hugely impractical to expect a forum like this to actually produce any real action. But as individuals within a community on their home turf, that's a different story.

We are moving more and more towards a united earth economically but politically and culturally still pretty far apart... and the economic chasm is still hugely wide. Yet I have a lot of resistence to those organizations that run around trying to make all nations equal, all ways of life equal, all beliefs the same.. It seems to me that they make more problems than they solve... Bill Gates organization for one instance and with the corporate control in all the products he moves forward, it's a huge issue.

My primary concern is loosing jurisdiction of my own back yard, and I do mean that metaphorically and literally. I want the USDA out of my field, out of my garden, out of my refrigerator. I want to own what guns I feel necessary. I want the forest service to stop blocking access to deep wilderness for no stated reason. I want to use the medicine that I deem safe and effective and when governments pay for medicine in social programs they should pay for the medicine that I want to use for myself, not what some FDA or AMA screwup says is suitable for me. I want legalization of marijuana and a reduction of prisons. I want criminalization of pharaceutical companies that lie and coverup information that should be given to the people. I want a new type of economy and I want the bankers out.

Really Rocky Shorz, I am not concerned about dying, or starvation (for I have had the good sence to prepare for that one if its ugly head should arise) ... I am concerned about the unfoldment of human slavery, right here in the USA, through corporate rule, through control of food source, through unending war and taxation and debt, and most of all the degradation of human health, which is hugely astounding if you haven't noticed.

Really I could go on and on and most of what I feel necessary for a sane and balanced life is not new to folks here. Solutions require a lot of thought and a lot of work. Do we really have a difination in our minds of how this nation or this world should look and act as a social expression for humanity to dwell in? I'll tell you right now... the NWO has already made their stant on these issues and they endeavoring to move forward to express them by repressing you.

[judymoon]

Well, i just read through all 9 pages of this thread because I am interested in the reactions from different mind-sets to the info conveyed by Duncan. I watched Kerry and Bill's interview with Duncan many years ago, and I was very impressed by him. His story is incredible and he seemed very humble and centered, concidering what he had been through.
I get the feeling he is very reclusive and doesn't like to deal with people very often. When he was a member of the project camelot forum, he didn't post much, and he is definately not a 'people-pleaser' when he communicates. I get the feeling he deals with a great amount of physical and psychic pain stemming from his background. That kind of pain can create a great rage, and that kind of rage can definately affect your perception.
I remember reading that he and Miranda were going to go on a mission to shut down CERN. At that point I had the feeling he was being influenced by outside forces. People with his background are highly impressionable, and dealing with multiple personalities can make it really hard to focus your energies on one thing.
After reading his latest communication what I mainly get is a blast of rage and pain.
Duncan was trained as a warrior. Some of us are empaths, some are intuitives, some are teachers, some are healers, some are just channeling the light. If you know who you are, you follow that path. So, if you are a warrior, maybe something in Duncan's communication will speak to you. The message is not for everyone. Use your discernment and inner knowing to judge if the maessage is for you.

[Gemini]

Houman posted a very empowering article here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=608019&viewfull=1#post608019


This is an overview of “hyperdimensional” manipulation and spiritual warfare tactics from the perspective of viewing “evil” as Service to Self agents of the Matrix.

I think it fits the topic pretty well.

[Anchor]

Hi,
just like to add my 2 cents on this ,
being woken doesent mean you dont feel fear because it "just goes away"... for me it hasnt ......
its how you respond to it when its felt or comes up......stay well

No worries, I was talking about fear of death specifically.

With one's awakening, comes a wider and more appropriate framework in which to process any fears.

[Rocky_Shorz]

if you had a chance to help a super-soldier, who was recently blasted out of his abilities, would you?

would you feel a weapon less dangerous, is good?

or would they be less of a threat being complete but indebted to the healer, a bond stronger than the mind control?

[Heather2017]

Rocky, are you asking whether we think you should help Duncan?

[modwiz]

Thanks astrid for relaying this information to us from Duncan.
I would propose we first see if we on this forum could do this and also determine if this ultimate outcome (NWO or United Earth) would be a bad or negative thing. After all . . . before we can become a member of something like The United Federation of Planets (200 or 300 years down the road) we first have to become a United Planet . . . don’t you think? It definitely won’t be pleasant getting to this point but ‘they’ are actually leading us down this very path.



Very valid and important point, IMO. New World Order has become a meme and one with nothing but negative connotations associated with it. The irony of this particular psy-ops is troublesome. What I mean is, "THE" NWO wants to make sure there isn't "A" NWO. Any logical use of the internet and all of us getting to know each other and care about common welfare and proper stewardship of the planet and resources, will lead to a new world order. This is a good thing and something all rational people of good sense and heart would want. Any discussion about a better future will involve one that is about a new world order. The psy-ops here is the THE NWO is able to use their infamy to tarnish almost any reordering of how the planet is lived on.

So, we need to wrap our head around this and the subtlety of language. Order is a word worth looking up in a dictionary. Words are a form of magic and understanding them allows us to counteract 'spells' that have been woven. Words and their other (secondary, tertiary and quartenary) meanings are a meditation. Not the empty your head kind, but a good old fashioned engage the left brain kind that bursts you through to the right brain as the connections and "ahas" break loose.

This is not about letting down out guard as much as allowing our guard to allow us to see the bigger picture. Throwing out the baby with the bath water is a 'metaphor' worth pondering. As a cliche it loses its richer meaning.

[SilentFeathers]

Thanks astrid for relaying this information to us from Duncan.
I would propose we first see if we on this forum could do this and also determine if this ultimate outcome (NWO or United Earth) would be a bad or negative thing. After all . . . before we can become a member of something like The United Federation of Planets (200 or 300 years down the road) we first have to become a United Planet . . . don’t you think? It definitely won’t be pleasant getting to this point but ‘they’ are actually leading us down this very path.



Very valid and important point, IMO. New World Order has become a meme and one with nothing but negative connotations associated with it. The irony of this particular psy-ops is troublesome. What I mean is, "THE" NWO wants to make sure there isn't "A" NWO. Any logical use of the internet and all of us getting to know each other and care about common welfare and proper stewardship of the planet and resources, will lead to a new world order. This is a good thing and something all rational people of good sense and heart would want. Any discussion about a better future will involve one that is about a new world order. The psy-ops here is the THE NWO is able to use their infamy to tarnish almost any reordering of how the planet is lived on.

So, we need to wrap our head around this and the subtlety of language. Order is a word worth looking up in a dictionary. Words are a form of magic and understanding them allows us to counteract 'spells' that have been woven. Words and their other (secondary, tertiary and quartenary) meanings are a meditation. Not the empty your head kind, but a good old fashioned engage the left brain kind that bursts you through to the right brain as the connections and "ahas" break loose.

This is not about letting down out guard as much as allowing our guard to allow us to see the bigger picture. Throwing out the baby with the bath water is a 'metaphor' worth pondering. As a cliche it loses its richer meaning.

It's not the NWO...it's the OWO (old world order)....alive and thriving.

These critters have been pumping their venom for "ages"....\\\\\\\\

To think any different is, well, to be out of the loop......alley ope![COLOR="red"]

This whole thread reminds me of "Drake"

[modwiz]

Thanks astrid for relaying this information to us from Duncan.
I would propose we first see if we on this forum could do this and also determine if this ultimate outcome (NWO or United Earth) would be a bad or negative thing. After all . . . before we can become a member of something like The United Federation of Planets (200 or 300 years down the road) we first have to become a United Planet . . . don’t you think? It definitely won’t be pleasant getting to this point but ‘they’ are actually leading us down this very path.



Very valid and important point, IMO. New World Order has become a meme and one with nothing but negative connotations associated with it. The irony of this particular psy-ops is troublesome. What I mean is, "THE" NWO wants to make sure there isn't "A" NWO. Any logical use of the internet and all of us getting to know each other and care about common welfare and proper stewardship of the planet and resources, will lead to a new world order. This is a good thing and something all rational people of good sense and heart would want. Any discussion about a better future will involve one that is about a new world order. The psy-ops here is the THE NWO is able to use their infamy to tarnish almost any reordering of how the planet is lived on.

So, we need to wrap our head around this and the subtlety of language. Order is a word worth looking up in a dictionary. Words are a form of magic and understanding them allows us to counteract 'spells' that have been woven. Words and their other (secondary, tertiary and quartenary) meanings are a meditation. Not the empty your head kind, but a good old fashioned engage the left brain kind that bursts you through to the right brain as the connections and "ahas" break loose.

This is not about letting down out guard as much as allowing our guard to allow us to see the bigger picture. Throwing out the baby with the bath water is a 'metaphor' worth pondering. As a cliche it loses its richer meaning.

It's not the NWO...it's the OWO (old world order)....alive and thriving.

These critters have been pumping their venom for "ages"....\\\\\\\\

To think any different is, well, to be out of the loop......alley ope!

You are correct in fact. I am addressing language (ab)usage. NWO conjures (there is the spell again) up images from the invocation of the words. The fact that it is old is not salient here.

Now stop confusing things with your pedantry. :P

[SilentFeathers]

I really think if we want to see or "know" what is going on we damn sure don't need to listen too or hear of those like a "Duncan" or anyone else, we need to listen and hear of the "self"... or me or I.....this always relying on some other person for the truth is getting old! We need to hear us! we need to hear the self! we need to be thy "self"....

The old ways are gone now folk's! get over it!

[9eagle9]

The old ways aren't gone for the ptb. Their occult manner of ruling is based in older purer traditions that they corrupted. They use the same calender, the same time, the same events every single month, year and decade. These practices typicallly only emerge out into the public eye as mass shootings, wars, child slayings, 9/11's.

Holidays of blood.

Christ had a last feast of blood rites, now they just let blood. It's a corruption of an earlier purer practice.

If one looks over the last decade and examine all the events that have occurred on 9/11 one sees a pattern. There's other dates as well. 12/21 is big with them, so is 3/19 all these dates tie into tides or seasons of an occult calendar. Hurricane Sandy was conjured up in a most unnatural way during the season of samhain. We are still seeing the fall out from that and will continue well into the spring.

To read them precisely one has to know mythology, the occult calendar and why dates are important, what is the date for, some astrology and how the sun moon and stars interact around this date.

They do.

Most of us don't. Knowing that calendar one can make a pretty damned good prediction as to what they will be up to. They are DEPENDANT on that calendar and their practices, they cannot function without out they are a slave to it. We have other options of course but in not knowing what they are a slave to we become enslaved by proxy.

When an organization is chained to a calendar we can have a pretty good idea of what they will do.

Christmas time. I know I'll see the salvation army out and about with their fake santas. Really no different than that.

The only thing that prevents us from knowing is refraining from studying such things. The calendar is hidden, its not secret.

[Bill Ryan]

http://projectavalon.net/2013_The_Year_America_Dies.jpg

[Hervé]

In calling attention to the "Chicago: Next Big False Flag? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53672-Chicago-Next-Big-False-Flag)," one has to remember that Duncan and Miranda as well as the individuals they are helping to come out of their implanted marching orders were all TRAINED to participate in that kind of events... on the "bad guys' side"... Therefore they KNOW what to expect in case such events are activated.

[Camilo]

It's time for everyone to wake up and follow their own Spirit.

[norman]

http://projectavalon.net/2013_The_Year_America_Dies.jpg


Ain't it strange how 2013 is the 100th anniversary of the foundation of the Federal Reserve.

[SilentFeathers]

The old ways aren't gone for the ptb. Their occult manner of ruling is based in older purer traditions that they corrupted. They use the same calender, the same time, the same events every single month, year and decade. These practices typicallly only emerge out into the public eye as mass shootings, wars, child slayings, 9/11's.

Holidays of blood.

Christ had a last feast of blood rites, now they just let blood. It's a corruption of an earlier purer practice.

If one looks over the last decade and examine all the events that have occurred on 9/11 one sees a pattern. There's other dates as well. 12/21 is big with them, so is 3/19 all these dates tie into tides or seasons of an occult calendar. Hurricane Sandy was conjured up in a most unnatural way during the season of samhain. We are still seeing the fall out from that and will continue well into the spring.

To read them precisely one has to know mythology, the occult calendar and why dates are important, what is the date for, some astrology and how the sun moon and stars interact around this date.

They do.

Most of us don't. Knowing that calendar one can make a pretty damned good prediction as to what they will be up to. They are DEPENDANT on that calendar and their practices, they cannot function without out they are a slave to it. We have other options of course but in not knowing what they are a slave to we become enslaved by proxy.

When an organization is chained to a calendar we can have a pretty good idea of what they will do.

Christmas time. I know I'll see the salvation army out and about with their fake santas. Really no different than that.

The only thing that prevents us from knowing is refraining from studying such things. The calendar is hidden, its not secret.

The old ways for the CTB (critters that be) just ain't firing on all 8 cylinders anymore for these nasty sicko critters. They are trying to keep their sicko behaviors, rituals, and ceremonial stuff clicking 100% and they keep messing up.....too many are on to them and their power is fading/backfiring.

Yes, they are more dangerous than ever because they are getting desperate....and infighting is at play too.

2013 will really be a year these critters strike out like a cornered rattler snake (pun intended). Their scales are showing and they become unbalanced and reckless more and more (which makes them VERY dangerous and unpredictable) Watch for sick reckless behavior, they no longer care if we're on to them or not....

[Arrowwind]

It's time for everyone to wake up and smell the coffee, and follow their own Spirit.

Yep, following the Spirit to Starbucks has been going on for a while now all around the world!

[Carmody]

http://projectavalon.net/2013_The_Year_America_Dies.jpg


Ain't it strange how 2013 is the 100th anniversary of the foundation of the Federal Reserve.

speaking of that, how did that Dec 31, 2012 fiscal cliff deadline go for the gubberment of the USA? last I heard, they where trying to figure it out with all those recalled politicians who had to be there to git it done.

[Flash]

http://projectavalon.net/2013_The_Year_America_Dies.jpg


Ain't it strange how 2013 is the 100th anniversary of the foundation of the Federal Reserve.

Ain't it strange that we receive the PTB official in advance statement by Alex Jones????? We have been told right there aren't we????


Laughing in our faces???

[Freed Fox]

speaking of that, how did that Dec 31, 2012 fiscal cliff deadline go for the gubberment of the USA? last I heard, they where trying to figure it out with all those recalled politicians who had to be there to git it done.

It's all but certain that we're "going over" (no deal). The latest:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-fiscal-cliff-deadline-20121231,0,4113828.story

[Rocky_Shorz]

they used fear to get America to sell their soul to Bankers...

this is just more fear so we think the world will end without Central Bankers...

the fear Duncan is spreading for the controllers, is to frighten us of what we are moving forward with already...

each lie they spin, we pull back as a veil and keep moving forward

Central Bankers, your time has come for an end, just like wars, with one world, there will be no exchanges...

We are all connecting, surrounding the world with shields from dangers...

one soldier following Avalon who is connected, can be turned to stand with the people and will be followed by others around them...

it is the quiet gathering of spirits that are changing the world right now...

they're worried...

We're ready...

[Mandala]

I have a few questions, so please be patient with me. There are a couple things I have wondered about after hearing Duncan and Miranda speak last year. He keeps saying, it's coming and it's bad. It's a war for your souls and you better be ready to fight. He never comes right out and says its Satanism, fallen angels, blood sacrifices, but is this what he means?

I know about the PTB and their santanic rituals, but are our countries all so embedded in the darkness, this is truly what we are up against? I guess I figured fighting against real demonic spirits was about as real as the possibility of mass ascension. So basically I'm asking if there is only dark mystical stuff and no light positive stuff?

This seems as improbable to me as we all floating on a c loud to heaven. To me, if the dark is true, then doesn't the light stuff
have to be true also? Yin Yang?

Am I not getting the entirety of Duncan's message? Where is 9eagle9 and some of you others (RS, Flash, Amzer, Flash) who can straighten my butt out?

[Hervé]

I have a few questions, so please be patient with me. There are a couple things I have wondered about after hearing Duncan and Miranda speak last year. He keeps saying, it's coming and it's bad. It's a war for your souls and you better be ready to fight. He never comes right out and says its Satanism, fallen angels, blood sacrifices, but is this what he means?

I know about the PTB and their santanic rituals, but are our countries all so embedded in the darkness, this is truly what we are up against? I guess I figured fighting against real demonic spirits was about as real as the possibility of mass ascension. So basically I'm asking if there is only dark mystical stuff and no light positive stuff?

This seems as improbable to me as we all floating on a c loud to heaven. To me, if the dark is true, then doesn't the light stuff
have to be true also? Yin Yang?

Am I not getting the entirety of Duncan's message? Where is 9eagle9 and some of you others (RS, Flash, Amzer, Flash) who can straighten my butt out?

Hi Mandala,

Have another look at post # 186... the white hats side got a few warriors recovered from the black hats brainwashed team :)

The major hindrance from the "light side" is the respect of free will in an individual which the "dark side" does not even pay a lip service to.

Also, see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53749-Demands-for-evidence-continue-on-Duncan-O-Finioan-thread&p=608622&viewfull=1#post608622) <---

[norman]

I don't know if this helps, but, I think the dark stuff and the light stuff is very true. It's not easy to spot which is which though..

A lot of the dark stuff is passing itself off as nicy nicy consumer grade light stuff. I suspect the notions like mass ascension are part of that aspect.

For me, there's dark and light in every moment, and we chose one or the other without any great concept about meaning. People fall under the dark side without seeing what they are really doing, at least to begin with. I suppose falling under the light side works in the same way.

It's a moment by moment thing, not a great concept, in my opinion.

[Gardener]

Rocky I like what you said here and I felt it, right into my old bones, seriously. And as my bones were resonating to your words I thought..... do what you can right here right now, do what is in front of you today, in your life, your house your people and know you are helping tip the balance. We do not know what effect we can have just by 'flapping our tiny wings'


We are all connecting, surrounding the world with shields from dangers...

one soldier following Avalon who is connected, can be turned to stand with the people and will be followed by others around them...

it is the quiet gathering of spirits that are changing the world right now...
they're worried...
We're ready...

[mgray]

I agree that the world's economy is teetering, but I believe these dire predictions of class warfare is the latest fear porn now that the Mayan calendar has done its reset.
I could just as easily site with reason and historic accuracy that 2013 will be a Year of Jubulee. Where the central bankers and BIS issue a 50 percent haircut on all debt, due to the enormity of the situation.
I could site the huge run up in corporate debt issued in 2012 as evidence that the PTB and the too big to fail know this jubulee is coming. What are the ramifications of this action some inflation as spending ramps up because of the additional income realized from less debt.
This may or may not be the case for 2013, and lord knows the Bill of Rights in the US has taken a beating these last few years, with the second amendment the latest to be in the rifle scope (pun intended).
But again I would site many legal cases moving through the federal court system on their way to the US Supreme Court to challenge their constitutionality.
I don't normally see the glass as half full most of the time, but this constant barrage of the end is nigh is a bit much.
Now before I get berated for being pawn or some other derogatory label, I don't believe with any conviction that the events I outlined above will happen in 2013. I only suggest its the other side of the coin.
I, for one, do not give these bankers much credit for coming up with any solutions. They are one trick ponies and this year will be spent devaluing the dollar, with additional easing by the Fed, which will create an up market in equities and a US 10 year note will be around 2 percent yield. This is what they know to do. Could the euro trade at $1.35 to $1.40 by next year (2014) yes probably, which shows how weak the greenback is?
So let's see what 2013 brings before we worry about civil war, tidal waves on West Coast or our guns being confiscated as we are moved into FEMA camps.

[Mandala]

Thank you guys, I do so appreciate your responses. I am not afraid to say I'm not sure what is meant, rather than assume. I thank you generously.

[Calz]

I dunno ... I seem to always see things a bit differently.

This ain't 1776.

Regardless of amerika's perceived gun behind every blade of grass (again going back what 70 years now) let's stop and pause.

What kind of technology does the breakaway (and alien) societies have that would ***really*** be threatened by me pulling out my 12 gauge shotgun to protect my family from someone breaking down the door (... urr ... ummm give me about 5 minutes to wake up please).

Even if I had an assortment of assault weapons (which I don't) who really thinks that will match up???

Really???

So what is this really?

Another level of control ... fear???

Seriously. Can someone come up with a better explanation for the prospect of goons going door to door trying to take away guns???

Makes no sense to me ... perhaps that is the upside of lunacy.



http://www.pic4ever.com/images/t5.gif

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I dunno ... I seem to always see things a bit differently.

Hmm different you see things, ok that is, staying you, you should hmm!!!:cool:



Makes no sense to me ... perhaps that is the upside of lunacy.

The upside it is young smurfwalker, hmm!

Happy newyear man, may all your wishes come true Calz

[Calz]

I dunno ... I seem to always see things a bit differently.

Hmm different you see things, ok that is, staying you, you should hmm!!!:cool:



Makes no sense to me ... perhaps that is the upside of lunacy.

The upside it is young smurfwalker, hmm!

Happy newyear man, may all your wishes come true Calz


Happy New Years to you as well ... you have ...


http://img2.etsystatic.com/006/0/7198656/il_570xN.367898442_b89a.jpg


Remember the 1st gulf "war" ... where all the hardened Iraqi army essentially laid down their weapons while defending their homeland???

Whatever happened was 20 years ago technology ... and "they" only use it when they are really ready.


What do you suppose is available now???


Remember the interview (think it was on camelot/avelon) about a table of intel folk having dinner and a wife having a bit too much to drink and suggesting rather too loudly about the ability to make an entire city drop to it's knees crying???

She was quickly shushed and removed.

Nothing to see here folks ... move along ... keep on shopping.


Okay ... seriously ... *ONCE* (if) the gloves come off does anyone really think civilian guns will make a difference???


"They" have already "legalized" and are bringing aboard several thousand drones to amerika (hey welcome to the "real world").

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Remember the 1st gulf "war" ... where all the hardened Iraqi army essentially laid down their weapons while defending their homeland???

Whatever happened was 20 years ago technology ... and "they" only use it when they are really ready.


What do you suppose is available now???


Remember the interview (think it was on camelot/avelon) about a table of intel folk having dinner and a wife having a bit too much to drink and suggesting rather too loudly about the ability to make an entire city drop to it's knees crying???



I dont care for his style very much but this episode seems to fit the bill pretty nice.

6AiFL9FSz-E

[Fred Steeves]

I have a few questions, so please be patient with me. There are a couple things I have wondered about after hearing Duncan and Miranda speak last year. He keeps saying, it's coming and it's bad. It's a war for your souls and you better be ready to fight. He never comes right out and says its Satanism, fallen angels, blood sacrifices, but is this what he means?

I know about the PTB and their santanic rituals, but are our countries all so embedded in the darkness, this is truly what we are up against? I guess I figured fighting against real demonic spirits was about as real as the possibility of mass ascension. So basically I'm asking if there is only dark mystical stuff and no light positive stuff?

This seems as improbable to me as we all floating on a c loud to heaven. To me, if the dark is true, then doesn't the light stuff
have to be true also? Yin Yang?

Am I not getting the entirety of Duncan's message? Where is 9eagle9 and some of you others (RS, Flash, Amzer, Flash) who can straighten my butt out?

Hi Mandala, I sure hate to see you thinking someone can or should straighten your butt out, your own personal insights are just as worthy as anyone else's. IMO, if you are thinking along the lines of Yin/Yang, then you're much more on track than you may realize. It's all about balance, and each person must seek and maintain their inner balance of both the dark and the light, kind of like Goldilocks' porridge. Not too hot, not too cold, but just right.

I'm not about to go turning in my guns, yet if it comes to civil war I think all is lost. A physical battle is not the answer, that's playing the dark side's game. Neither is meekly lining up to be herded onto boxcars while singing Kumbaya the answer. I don't know "the answer", and I think anyone who DOES think/say they have it is either delusional, or being deceptive. Hell, the answer is probably different for every individual anyway, just like the lie is different at every level.

So this is what my gut tells me concerning your question, take it for what it's worth. The closer one is to a properly balanced body, mind and spirit, the more likely one is to actually come up with "the answer", their personal answer, when the time comes to play for all the marbles.

However, me no thinks knowing the right thing "to do", would necessarily result in everything being hunky dory here in the physical. The head may still become separated from the body in the end, but it's not so much the body we're concerned with, it's the soul correct? This is why I commented early on here about the one thing Duncan said that really struck me:


If you must die, then die with your soul intact!

Cheers,
Fred

[Flash]

One possible scenario is that people continue to get huge amounts of gun, government pull a law against guns so that people in reaction buy more of them, then, PTB uses the chemical they know that will turn people like maniacs, one against the others, with their house filled with guns used on their families, their schools, their neighbours. The kids are already drugged with these products turning them into murderers, and they have no memory of it. It would be easy to lace the water or the air with these chemical

Now that I think of it, could it be possible that the test trial for this Rwanda genocide??? This is exactly what happened there and it was quite sudden. Furthermore, the UN Canadian General at the times there was forbidden to intervene or not sent help when he had been steadily asking for days the permission to go in and asking for help Well, sounds like a trial of new tactics to me.

It is also easy to see, from an outsider point of view, how polarised the American public are getting, or being pushed to be, and how this, with time, brainwashing of media, drugs and arms, could degenerate into something awful. Polarisation is never a peace answer.

Please, we have to learn from history. Just 2 - 2 minutes videos tells you how polarisation and arms get a country destroyed.

Yet, I am not against people keeping their arms, with consciousness being there, then it can make all the difference. Without consciouness, it can also make all the difference also, but this time the way it did in Rwanda's killing fields.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX1CD2nx-a0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3NN_LGkhzk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=533609lZXk4

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxxxx

[9eagle9]

The woman was quietly shushed for revealing that the Pentecostal tent rival was weaponized by the Government? That's news? That's all they got? Tent revival pranks where the minister gets everyone gibbering and bawling and down on their knees with NLP and hypnosis.

Guess that's all they need with 99 percent of the population refusing to manage their emotional bodies.





I dunno ... I seem to always see things a bit differently.

Hmm different you see things, ok that is, staying you, you should hmm!!!:cool:



Makes no sense to me ... perhaps that is the upside of lunacy.

The upside it is young smurfwalker, hmm!

Happy newyear man, may all your wishes come true Calz


Happy New Years to you as well ... you have ...


http://img2.etsystatic.com/006/0/7198656/il_570xN.367898442_b89a.jpg


Remember the 1st gulf "war" ... where all the hardened Iraqi army essentially laid down their weapons while defending their homeland???

Whatever happened was 20 years ago technology ... and "they" only use it when they are really ready.


What do you suppose is available now???


Remember the interview (think it was on camelot/avelon) about a table of intel folk having dinner and a wife having a bit too much to drink and suggesting rather too loudly about the ability to make an entire city drop to it's knees crying???

She was quickly shushed and removed.

Nothing to see here folks ... move along ... keep on shopping.


Okay ... seriously ... *ONCE* (if) the gloves come off does anyone really think civilian guns will make a difference???


"They" have already "legalized" and are bringing aboard several thousand drones to amerika (hey welcome to the "real world").

[CdnSirian]

"Guess that's all they need with 99 percent of the population refusing to manage their emotional bodies. "

People are neither consenting nor refusing to manage that which they do not know they have...is that what you mean?

You are certainly right in that "that's all they need"... whatever the reason. The distractions are well presented. And, I know. Ignorance is no excuse. Cheers.

[Chester]

Nothing like sprouting FEAR PORN to the masses!

FFS..... We create our own reality, why buy into someone elses fear filled version?

Choose to create LOVE around you, Where LOVE resides, Fear has no effect!

HUGS...........Godiam

So how's your 'creation' looking?
Is it 'out of sight, out of mind'? Or 'out of mind, out of sight'?

Hugs

Brilliant Post

[modwiz]

"Guess that's all they need with 99 percent of the population refusing to manage their emotional bodies. "

People are neither consenting nor refusing to manage that which they do not know they have...is that what you mean?

You are certainly right in that "that's all they need"... whatever the reason. The distractions are well presented. And, I know. Ignorance is no excuse. Cheers.

I would hope a good number of people here know what an emotional body is and if they don't, they need to pipe down and learn. One cannot learn while one is shouting how one cannot do what one doesn't know. Yes it's a catch 22 of sorts. Listening is what is required. The effects of this forum would be greatly multiplied if those who knew something were recognized for it. When it comes to knowledge, we are not all equal. It is largely fixable. Again, this is about the will to really change and make a difference rather than just discuss it.

Carmody is recognized. He has help and would surely appreciate not having to do all the heavy lifting. There are different ways of saying the same things. Different use of language and metaphor communicates to different people.

[Anchor]

Reading what 9e9 was saying about ritual and timing - then I read this

"Mood and Weather are powerful buy words"

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/mood-and-weather-are-powerful-buy-words-20130101-2c40f.html

In that article, it talks about projection bias, shop stuff - making it so you will buy more things and make decisions that will favor the shops and not your wallet.

Then back in the context of what was said in this thread - at a higher level, at certain times, the elite are using natural energies in a way and exploiting their inevitable projection biases that they will have.

Full moon is an obvious one.

[modwiz]

Reading what 9e9 was saying about ritual and timing - then I read this

"Mood and Weather are powerful buy words"

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/mood-and-weather-are-powerful-buy-words-20130101-2c40f.html

In that article, it talks about projection bias, shop stuff - making it so you will buy more things and make decisions that will favor the shops and not your wallet.

Then back in the context of what was said in this thread - at a higher level, at certain times, the elite are using natural energies in a way and exploiting their inevitable projection biases that they will have.

Full moon is an obvious one.

Just this Winter, the weather service in the USA has taken to naming Winter storms. Brutus, Draco and Euclid to name three of them. I hope why they do this would be obvious to anyone here. The added drama is always good for sales. Look at the advertising on weather sites and see how they complement each other. As marketing goes, it's brilliant. Now, awareness of the general population as to how these things work to their disadvantage would help enormously. The common people, that is.

[161803398]

I don't know what to make of this but I feel that its BS: http://nowfact.com/mass-secret-torture-of-american-citizens-confirmed-by-cia-engineer/comment-page-1/ partial BS anyway.

"A CIA Engineer has revealed the ongoing mass secret torture of American Citizens by antenna technology. And he says there’s nothing anyone can do about it."

[9eagle9]

It's not BS to people who don't have any self control at all. If you can push buttons with each other on an individual level I'm sure some one will find a way to weaponize it. Vivek's thread on the psyche and in particular how EM energy effects people's fields , yes I can very well see how that could be weaponized. You can sense that crap being broadcast out into em fields periodically.

For people who have cleared out their **** and have a modicum of self control ..its bull****. They have room to talk they aren't effected by it or are least effected by it.

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I might add for people who can't control their emotional fields...no there isn't anything they can do about it.

For those who can it becomes a non-issue.

[Frances2013]

The book of change in winking metaphor says:
When great change comes,
the sage change in deepest ways,
the noble change in behaviors
and the vulgar change faces.

Many years ago I fought to keep darkness from taking my children.
(some would call this magical or psychic self-defense)

Duncan said:

"The human race deserves a right to learn and grow without outside influence.
To stand and walk on their own!"


I agree with that position.
I accept full responsability of sovereignty as one as equal as all.

Terra-nature said she would compress all structures of slavery.
(some call this earth changes)

My allies are the elements of air, fire, water and earth.
They sing to my angelic-human-heart in the language of life.

My allies are all humans who breathe, stand and walk on their own.
A child, a brother, a sister, a mother, a father, a grandfather, a grandmother...

In HAKOMI style as events unfold to better reveal reptilian sleepers,
I will do my best.

Hakomi, hopi metaphysical concept of how one stand and walk in many realms.
(some would call this freewill)


Darkness will try to hide in holes whith controlled destruction at surface,
then emerge as savior to traumatized survivors of natural earth changes,
to start another era of human slavery with controlled human elite.
Mind-controlled slaves of darkness work to augment trauma with violence.

Sovereign humans help others in difficult event to ease transition, each in our own unique way.

Some are warrior-protector like Duncan Ofinian, some are teacher-healer like Bill Ryan,
some are scholar-sage like Richard Dolan, ect...

Millions of bodhiisattvas work anonymously in every domain and every community.
There was one buddha, now there are one million buddhas.

A cry of the heart comes...
Each heartmind makes a freewill choice in the moment.
No heroes, no saviors, no saints, no rulers.

The five animal senses we had hundreds of thousands of terran years to learn how to use.

The two human senses are now unfolding in many.

Others will remain in animal-reptilian-predator-egomind, as food-tools of darkness.
Those one has to deal with in compassion and understanding in each moment as events unfold.

Our 6th sense, intuition is connection to humanoid-collective-universal-heartmind,
this if you listen to inner self will help one find harmony with universe.
(some would say listen to your heart) (bodhi)

Our 7th sense, equality is self-realization as one part (self-awareness),
of whole reality (self-responsability),
as one as equal as all as life.
(some would say the right thing for the greater good as soul-work) (sattva)

Heartmind is:

Sharing a meal with a hungry stranger,
disarming a weapon of mass destruction,
holding a terrified child near your heart,
teaching a teenager how to use a weapon for self-defense,
holding the hand of a dying one,
growing food for the tribe,
caring for a wounded animal,
inner silence stillness meditation,
denouncing a gang of local abusers,
transforming fear into courage to stand sovereign,
and more human kindness, empathy, solidarity expressions...
all acts of love exponentially expand collective life-force vibratory field...

Blessings to all.

[humanalien]

Is Duncans web site down for good?

[CdnSirian]

Looks like it's been suspended.

[humanalien]

Duncan sent me an email with part 2 to
A NEW YEAR, or a NIGHTMARE.

I assume that he wanted me to post it here,
since his web site is down.
-------------------------------------------------------

2013 -- A New Year? Or a Nightmare? … Part 2

Well, I did say I would write the second part of this -- let's just call it "My State of Affairs" -- and then I was finished.
Finished.
And yes. I'm finished, alright. As in DONE.
As in don't care anymore.
As in not my problem anymore. And why should I care?
People are going to do what people are going to do. They follow their nature.
Well "nature" on. I'm done with everything and most everyone.
Remember the Council I was forced to stand before several years ago? When I was forced to choose which side of this war
I would fight on (I chose the human race, in case all of you have forgotten.)? Where I stood and argued and screamed that the human race
had a right to continue and not be destroyed?
Well, I went back to them a few days ago. And I exercised my free will.
I quit.
I asked for and was granted release from my oaths and bonds.
In short, what this means is that I am not fighting for anyone anymore. It means I am not bound, as I was before, by rules and protocols set in place to hold the balance.
It means I now take orders from no one. It means I can do what I damn well please. It means I don't have to to keep quiet
when spineless cowards sitting behind a computer keyboard spray vulgar lies and think they remain hidden.
It means I don't have to help someone who has written me saying "I hope you burn in hell for what you have done" and then signs the letter
"In the light."
In the light. Sure. Most of you people wouldn't know The Light if it burned your arse.
Oh yes. I am well aware that the vast majority of you reading this are jumping for joy. Please, do keep jumping, and once you have tired out
you can go back to your tabloid news. Get your mouths filled with today's juicy gossip. And don't worry, because in the weeks ahead
you're going to have plenty of news to read. A little birdie told me so.
Why?
You ask me why? Why I quit?
I say, Why not?
When I came forward all those years ago it was with one purpose. To stop the use of children in the black programs.
Was it successful?
Not just no, but hell's no.
Do you want to know why?
There were not enough people who gave a fiddlers damn to even make a start.
Do you have any idea how disgusted that makes me? I really hope you people are proud.
Look at the noise you people are making over guns -- and I'm all for owning firearms. I think everyone should be trained to use a firearm.
But, if you people had CARED as much about the children of this country and the world as you do about your guns, we could have made a
difference. But you do not.
I can not, and will not stand with or fight for anyone who cares so little about the torture, rape, and murdering of children.
You're not worth it.
Some of you care more about your trashy porn novels than about the murder of children.
So here I am. On my own. Answering to no one. I think I will go have a little fun. Do some traveling.
I've got places to go, people to do -- I mean see.
I think the first place I want to go is Belize. I have a brother that lives down there.
Oh right, most of you don't know. You see, I have an identical twin brother. He lives in Belize. He is still in "The Company".
And, as a matter of fact, there have been a few people in the "alternative media" who have gone down to meet with him.
Some of them even made pacts with him. I hear that's not working out for most of them, though. Can't say that I'm sorry.
What can you say? You make a deal with the devil ...
I also know where a large group of children are being held. Being tortured and trained ... and killed. I'm going to fix that. My way.
Being that I now answer to no one, I can do these things. Damn, that feels good. Being able to do what I want, my way. No rules, save my own.
Going to set a few things right on my own, being as the human race doesn't seem to care enough to at least try.
Now, I know most of you that have read this far are most likely frothing at the mouth with anger (How the hell do you think I feel?). Let
me make you a tad more so.
The "alternative media". What a joke.
You have female show hosts offering sexual favors to get interviews. You have male show hosts offering drugs and pimping girls
for guests. You have hosts telling you only they have the truth. But it will cost you $49.95 (plus shipping).
Again, what a joke.
Then you have that few. That very small few that I call the "Truth Media."
They are the ones out there mostly working for free, taking the knives in the back, being spat upon by the rest for telling it like it is.
I know a few of them. They're the best. I don't just call them friends, I call them brothers and sisters. Family.
Anyway. I'm done.
I am going out on my own and doing what I feel should be done and doing it my way.
I aim to misbehave.
We all have a dark side. I think it's time mine came out to play for a while.
Been thinking about the words of Milton lately. "Better to rule ..."


duncanofinioan.com

[9eagle9]

I did mention in another thread that people who know things would just give up and walk away from it because ...

because of what Duncan said. No one cares. No one cares that they have cancer and its eating them alive and the few that do care will end up being stoned for caring.

Save yourself Duncan to preserve what you know for when the time comes when someone does care.

Most likely when its too late.

I hear you brother.

[gripreaper]

The cognitive dissonance is astounding, to the point that the collective mind polices itself, and makes sure that no one jumps the fence and leaves the plantation, without bringing down the wrath of the entire hive mind.

This is the dilemma of the miscreant, when heart and soul for humanity and it's plight are recognized for what it is. Did humanity willingly succumb to such avarice, slavery, and cognitive dissonance, or was it programmed into them thousands of years ago?

I say both. The first chimerics still have all of their faculties, while the second chimerics do not. Just like the early Lemurians went back to Atlantis to help their half brothers and sisters, to emancipate them, so today, it is incumbent upon us to do the same.

Those with eyes to see and ears to hear, stand at the precipice and can see the available timelines for the future of humanity, and the question, as Duncan has postulated, are they worth helping?

Ask any Bodhisattva, and the answer is yes. Ask any Bodhisattva if the dharma is assured, and they will say yes.

[gooty64]

The cognitive dissonance is astounding, to the point that the collective mind polices itself, and makes sure that no one jumps the fence and leaves the plantation, without bringing down the wrath of the entire hive mind.

hive mind = their mind = cognitive dissonance = the end of the world/earth/planet

Save for precipitating event/miracle/or you tell me!

We're stuck. And sinking.

~~~Namaste my Dear Little Precious Ones~~~:rapture:

[foreverfan]

So wait... are they going to turn off the Matrix?

[another bob]

I did mention in another thread that people who know things would just give up and walk away from it...

As much as one might sympathize in this case with the notion of just up and leaving, perhaps it can be recognized that running away is just the flip side of being controlled. Both are extremes, and the realization of real freedom lies in the dead center between the two -- the silent still place of no-mind that can respond equally to whatever challenge arises without fixation or identification with either of the two horns of dilemma. In most instances, strategies of flight are merely another form of being controlled.

in terms of the themes we have been discussing, there appears to be a response to the conditions he is experiencing that spring from emotional reactivity, which is never that useful in assessing an appropriate response, but of course that's easy for me to say, not having been a party to his particular testing parameters vis a vis the "company".

However, I do know the mechanics of cultism, of which the "company" is a likely version or representation, and I have seen that those who flee cults in anger and emotional reactivity simply transform one neurotic attitude into another. It is only when the individual can attain to a detached perspective that they have a chance for real freedom from the cult's tentacles, for whatever is resisted, especially on emotional grounds, remains in the forefront of attention. It's tricky in that sense.

[modwiz]

The cognitive dissonance is astounding, to the point that the collective mind polices itself, and makes sure that no one jumps the fence and leaves the plantation, without bringing down the wrath of the entire hive mind.

This is the dilemma of the miscreant, when heart and soul for humanity and it's plight are recognized for what it is. Did humanity willingly succumb to such avarice, slavery, and cognitive dissonance, or was it programmed into them thousands of years ago?

I say both. The first chimerics still have all of their faculties, while the second chimerics do not. Just like the early Lemurians went back to Atlantis to help their half brothers and sisters, to emancipate them, so today, it is incumbent upon us to do the same.

Those with eyes to see and ears to hear, stand at the precipice and can see the available timelines for the future of humanity, and the question, as Duncan has postulated, are they worth helping?

Ask any Bodhisattva, and the answer is yes. Ask any Bodhisattva if the dharma is assured, and they will say yes.

When I read what Duncan said, I could feel him. I get my staying power partly by not being in the thick of things as he has. He has had skin in the game and is feeling the disgust of looking behind himself and seeing the lack participation for the efforts. Still, in my minds eye I saw him returning if people ever stood and did something besides complain. Duncan is a warrior, not a Bodhisattva. I understand someone who does not wish to put his neck out so that someone can watch TV or post another you tube video on a forum.

[gripreaper]

The cognitive dissonance is astounding, to the point that the collective mind polices itself, and makes sure that no one jumps the fence and leaves the plantation, without bringing down the wrath of the entire hive mind.

This is the dilemma of the miscreant, when heart and soul for humanity and it's plight are recognized for what it is. Did humanity willingly succumb to such avarice, slavery, and cognitive dissonance, or was it programmed into them thousands of years ago?

I say both. The first chimerics still have all of their faculties, while the second chimerics do not. Just like the early Lemurians went back to Atlantis to help their half brothers and sisters, to emancipate them, so today, it is incumbent upon us to do the same.

Those with eyes to see and ears to hear, stand at the precipice and can see the available timelines for the future of humanity, and the question, as Duncan has postulated, are they worth helping?

Ask any Bodhisattva, and the answer is yes. Ask any Bodhisattva if the dharma is assured, and they will say yes.

When I read what Duncan said, I could feel him. I get my staying power partly by not being in the thick of things as he has. He has had skin in the game and is feeling the disgust of looking behind himself and seeing the lack participation for the efforts. Still, in my minds eye I saw him returning if people ever stood and did something besides complain. Duncan is a warrior, not a Bodhisattva. I understand someone who does not wish to put his neck out so that someone can watch TV or post another you tube video on a forum.

I get that. I support Duncan for being a warrior and getting his hands dirty in the thankless trenches of zombies who would just as soon slit his throat as he feeds them a meal. I understand his background, and too feel his energy. I have no issue at all with him or his decision, as a matter of fact I was quite excited that he is going to go rogue and do things his way on his own time, without being on the front lines under the spotlight, but more overt and covert. I'm excited for him and what he may accomplish. I hope he gets some rest too.

The only theme I took issue with, is that these people, who are asleep and clueless, and who actually hold the collective matrix together and attack anyone who tries to unravel the madness, are still worth awakening. The other option would be to call off the whole experiment here on earth, and dump them into the dust bin as reprobate.

[Suddoth]

Hey all, Duncan's asked me to post part II of his new year's message on his behalf, please check here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54935-New-message-from-Duncan-O-Finioan-2013-A-New-Year-Or-a-Nightmare----Part-2

[humanalien]

Hey all, Duncan's asked me to post part II of his new year's message on his behalf, please check here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54935-New-message-from-Duncan-O-Finioan-2013-A-New-Year-Or-a-Nightmare----Part-2

Part 2 has already been posted here. Why start a new thread?

[Hervé]

Duncan O'Finioan and Miranda Kelly: Dénouement (http://offplanetradio.com/podcast/duncan-ofinioan-and-miranda-kelly-denouement.html)
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OffPlanet Radio Live-February 27, 2013-Randy Maugans with Duncan O'Finioan, Miranda Kelly, and Joe DiToma

dénouement -
1: the final outcome of the main dramatic complication in a literary work
2: the outcome of a complex sequence of events.

As this interview indicates, this may be the final live interview ever...the milestones have been passed, the clocks are rolling, and a mission begins the count down.

Because "ever" is indefinable, and our time streams are in flux, we choose to term this show the dénouement...for reasons that can be easily understood. Some of the audience wanted more details. Sorry, those details are part of a script that is still unfolding. The "take away" is that we write our own scripts, and the next page is your's.



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