MMS? or Collidial Silver?

[TigaHawk]

Hi guys!

Another random question!

I have a friend living in Canada, never met them in real life, but have grown to be close friends over the net in a spaceship game we play for fun.

Anyhoo, the poor bugger had a stroke a while back, he's mostly recoverd from it (ive only known him after the stroke) but has some nasty nerve damage from it, mostly in his fingers.

I am also aware he has some sort of buildup of toxins in his body, i know he removed the souce of some of that about 1 year ago, his Boss pretty much shouted him a free trip to the dentist and they removed god knows how many rotten teeth, he definately noticed the difference once they were removed.


I dont believe my friend is awake yet, i've told him i was going to give MMS and Collidial Silver a go then force-feed him some if i had too... I got him open to the idea of trying something new thanks to the FDA mandated recall and a few links on vaccines and a brief explanation of why i personaly felt it was removed, and how the big pharma compies fall into things. That and i think he's getting to a point where he'd be willing to try anything to stop the pain he's in.


I read with MMS that you need to start to dosage small, 1 drop or 1/2 a drop, and you're body may react to it killing off bacteria/virus's and other nasty's by purging itself, either by Vomiting or Dirohea. I can understand that, and i'd be fine with those side effects. But him? I do not think it would have been the best of things to happen when they try it. As i'd assume their logic will go something along the lines of, wow, that smells horrid, tasted horrid, and made me vomit, im not having any more.


Would collidial silver do much for him?


I was hoping to start him off with that, give it a bit of time then see if he notices any changes. And if/when the silver starts working on him and he can notice the difference, i'd then suggest taking MMS in combination with that to help cleaning the toxins out of his body, as i'd think he'd be more open to the idea of alternate medacine's after he's experienced some himself in action. I'd be sure to make it very clear to him of the possible side effects.


But i guess im just wondering...


Would starting him off on silver be a good thing? Will it have at least some sort of positive effect? (Hoping to hear from a few people who use both MMS or Collidial)

And if he's to start off with silver, what should the dosage be? and how regularly?

thanks in advance


I will be sure to post an update on how he's going when he starts taking the silver.

[tone3jaguar]

I have both and prefer the silver. The MMS works, but it is harsh on my digestive system. If the silver does not work on what ever I am dealing with then the MMS is there as a last resort. I do not buy into the idea of maintenance doses of MMS. If you are a healthy person then you should not need a maintenance dose of anything like that.

[Wood]

I think this is a good example of how we should get back our freedom, and the responsibility that freedom implies. I'd tell your friend that he should research MMS and colloidal silver on the net. I would give MMS a try myself as I think it should at worst do nothing bad, and that there is a pretty good chance that it helps the healing. However, we can only suggest what we would do ourselves (it is even illegal to recommend cures not being an MD, I think), and I would give MMS a try for anything :). It is up to each of us to decide what to do. That's what freedom implies...

To check usage guides for MMS given by Jim Humble for different scenarios, see http://jimhumble.biz/. It is quite detailed.

[bashi]

Against bacteria i would advocate MMS. The mouth infection has most likely spread to the heart valves and had started eating them up. The doc will call it a “vegetation” of bacteria. It reduces the pump capacity of the heart.
I had the same and tried MMS only to get rid of the bac. But surprisingly it also strengthened my heart, despite the common belief that a damage done is irreversible. Thus I prevented/postponed a stroke. That’s 3 years ago, with no maintenance dose afterwards. Now slowly I think I need another go at MMS.
I don’t think that a regular preventive dose is a good idea. MMS is very harsh to the body (at least to mine) and it eats the antioxidants. Your friend should start with one drop only and should increase it again by one drop only. If you are carefully watching your bodys reaction, then you might even avoid the vomiting etc. by scaling back a drop before he has reached the threshhold. Check the MMS foren with people`s experience.
I don’t know about the silver, but I doubt that it will strengthen the heart also.

MMS or silver will not take the toxins, but the bacteria out…
If I would be in a similar situation, then I would first try to get rid of the bacteria and then detox. That I would do by using first MMS therapy and then Zeolith powder therapy.

[refuge2012]

I use both, MMS some say can give you nausea in high dosages.
I have used 10 drops with no nausea.

Colloidal silver on the other hand will not cause nausea.

I used colloidal silver for a MRSA infection in my hand,
cured it in 4 days!!!!!!!!!! But I was also on MMS at the time.

I use and recommend both.


Peace
Dan

[Solphilos]

Well, there's not really enough info here to make any sort of wise recommendation; to do so without further detail would be reckless and irresponsible.

You say it could be a build-up of toxins, but this could mean many things. If it's bacteria, this could also mean many things. You don't want something that just indiscriminately kills bacteria, as that could upset the balance of the bodies flora, which can potentially make things much worse. Viruses are a whole different animal.

There is no wonder drug or substance that cures anything that ails the body, whether it's MMS or colloidal silver, they each have their uses and must be used appropriately. However, I've taken daily doses of colloidal silver for the past year with no negative effects, so I would suppose that it couldn't hurt.

My advice would be to focus on bringing up the immune system, and give the body a chance to heal itself. It is remarkably good at this, though it may require some help.
When I get sick, from any type of ailment, I take daily high doses of garlic. This not only kills 'bad' germs but really boosts the immune system, being loaded with vitamins C, B6 and the minerals selenium and manganese. This, along with good food and lots of focused energy pretty much cures everything. I recently just left the hospital after recovering from an appendix infection; I was happy to avoid surgery, lol.

And never forget the source of the problem as well; the body can never heal itself if one doesn't fix the very thing that cause the problem in the first place. Many people neglect this small but imperative detail when trying to recover from illness. This may require dietary change, or an entire lifestyle makeover. And don't forget the auric/magnetic/energetic field.

[TigaHawk]

it is even illegal to recommend cures not being an MD, I think.

:confused:

Thats incredibly sad. Just sitting back and being able to see how much the corporations can manipulate us.


I care about my friend, its obvious that the medications he's been perscribed and are taking are not helping. And i've been moreso worried as of late as he's constantly online less and less and having to retire to sleep or just lay down so he can deal with it.



and thanks for the great replies, i may have a go at putting some links together (Alex Jones provided a great one for me today to start with - http://www.prisonplanet.com/fda-censorship-of-nutritional-science-threatens-health-of-all-americans.html ) and encouraging him to do his own research into it.

[Wood]

Sorry TigaHawk, I think I have been a bit too direct :)

[TigaHawk]

Nah you're fine wood, was just pointing out how Stupid the system is.

Had another chat with him today, he's slowly getting better. Aparently on 60 tynonol (sp?) a day for the pain.

He works in a place that makes herbs/spices, drinks non-flouridated water and he's Awake :)


Aparently he's still got a few teeth in his mouth which need to be removed, that would be another reason why he's not healing up.


He's looked in to MMS and Collidial, he's happy to give them a go, i suggested the Collidial as it may be easier on his tummy.

Is it possible to do a detox when your're on such heavy medication? There's no way he'll stop taking the painkillers, without them he pretty much wishes he was dead beacuse the pain is that great :( Just trynig to figure out how to to help cleanse his body from the buildup of medications, toxins and crap that's been building up over time.

Thanks again all!

[Carmody]

I hit 15-16 drops with no nausea. I can hit 10 drops, out of the blue-on the first dose, and suffer only mild nausea. I use it about every 1-1.5 months, when I start to feel a bacterial load in the back of my throat. I had my tonsils removed as a young child (3-1/2 years old), so the MMS has been a boon for my overall drive and health, due to the removal of my adenoids (tonsils).

I use what I have found the best thing to offset the nausea or specifically the taste when going down, and that is a pure, unsweetened, cranberry juice.

Tell him to get a hold of some silver bullion or coin, and cut it in half, and make his own. Use incredibly low voltages,and make it fresh, every day, drink it in the morning. it should be so mild that it barely has a taste at all. The higher voltage brings bigger particle size, the lower voltage brings smaller particle size.

The smaller the silver particle, the more it leans toward a 'pure single atom' or single low density (quantity of silver atoms per clump) molecules, the more perfect and working the aspects of the colloidal silver.

'charging' the fluid is a MAJOR prerequisite from the 'Nazi bell' fluids (works of Joesph P. Farrell) all the way to alchemical (David Hudson to Paracelsus) literature. What I mean is all associated literature on such things is that the electrical or molecular charge must be there for the item to be useful to the body. The charge aspect fades fast.

This is why you make it every night and consume it in the morning. This is by far the most effective way to get anything out of colloidal silver. Buying some means almost nothing, in comparison with regard to effectiveness of the colloidal suspension.

This is the same thing about 'oxygenated' water. You make it and consume it immediately as the oxygenation and associated charge both fade - in mere hours.

Chemical exchange (pH vs pH differentials - in the body) IS electrical in nature, and vice versa. Ergo..............the body runs on chemical or electrical based exchange systems.

[Bill Ryan]

I use and recommend both.

Dan

I use both, too.

With MMS, many have reported that one way to handle the nausea/ reaction problem is to take small doses frequently: i.e. "little and often".

What's worked well for me personally is to take 2-4 drops every hour or two (on the onset of a symptom, like a sore throat, etc).

This low dose seems to be easily handled by many, and there's less risk of the body feeling 'shocked'. For me personally, the problem always clears up for me within 24 hours.

The guideline is not to exceed 45-50 drops per 24 hours - in total.

It may be smart just to experiment and see what works best for you - everyone's metabolisms are different.

Very best wishes, Bill

[NancyV]

Since I also had a stroke with rather debilitating symptoms that lasted 2-3 months until they were cured, I would recommend that your friend look into what I used, PEMFT, Pulsed Electromagnetic Field Therapy. The machine I used was the Papimi machine, which is no longer available in the USA since the FDA outlawed it a few years ago. Within 10 treatments all my symptoms had disappeared and after the first 30 minute treatment I was able to sleep for many hours. After the stroke I could only sleep for about an hour at a time and I had to keep the TV on so the noise in my head wouldn't bother me so much.

Some good alternatives to the Papimi machine are:

MRS2000: http://www.mrs2000.com/ (this is the one I prefer and will buy)
Bemer 3000: http://www.bemeramerica.com/sysa/
Quantum Pulse: http://www.thequantumpulse.com/

There are clinics that give treatments with each of these machines and it's quite inexpensive compared to any kind of mainstream medical treatment. The price to buy an MRS2000 or Bemer 3000 is around $3000, so not as expensive as the Papimi machine which was around $45,000. The Quantum Pulse is around $14,000, but best to look for a clinic nearby to where you live.

Different approaches work for different people. I have experimented with both MMS and Colloidal Silver, among many other things over the years. Unfortunately I am very allergic to both of them. I used the MMS for over 2 months, exactly as instructed, and got sicker and sicker until I was throwing up and had diarrhea at least 5 times per day. But I wanted to give it a good LONG trial. LOL. I tried several different types of colloidal silver and all of them made me very sick! I do well with some herbs, vitamins, etc. but there are a few I am highly allergic to. You never know until you experiment whether something will work for you. Just because it works for others doesn't mean everyone will have the same reaction.

I think it takes a very open minded person to continue experimenting with healing yourself. It's too easy to get discouraged if you don't persist after having an adverse reaction to something. It would also be nice if you didn't dismiss something and feel that it won't work for anyone, just because it didn't work for you. I am very impressed with Jim Humble and find it difficult to believe the negative stories about him. He does seem to be a rather humble man to me, but I've been known to be a bad judge of character since I tend to look at the good in people more often than the negative.

The bottom line is that if your friend does not want to be in charge of his own healing he will most likely depend on the doctors advice. The chances of completely healing from a stroke using their advice is not a statistically good bet. I didn't even bother to go to a doctor after finding out in my one and only visit that it was not a heart attack but a stroke, and that it would take a LOT more tests before we could begin any kind of treatments. My answer was thanks but no thanks. Lucky for me I found something that was so powerful I felt better than I had in 10 years after just a few treatments.

Nancy

[Rhiannon]

i'd second what bill said. 'little and often' has worked very well with me... a bath with mms i found most effective... i'm think bill has posted the instructions on how to do this on the 'jim humble'-thread...

[Chakra]

Hi guys!

Another random question! I have a friend living in Canada, never met them in real life, but have grown to be close friends over the net in a spaceship game we play for fun. Anyhoo, the poor bugger had a stroke a while back, he's mostly recoverd from it (ive only known him after the stroke) but has some nasty nerve damage from it, mostly in his fingers.
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I am also aware he has some sort of buildup of toxins in his body, i know he removed the souce of some of that about 1 year ago, his Boss pretty much shouted him a free trip to the dentist and they removed god knows how many rotten teeth, he definately noticed the difference once they were removed.

I make Kombucha - it is amazing as a natural gentle detox so is blue green algae.
list of stuff it has and how it helps
http://kefir.wikidot.com/kombucha

There are lots of youtube video's on how to make it at home. I started with a store bought drink - like GT Kombucha Wholefoods carries it here in Canada. I left about an inch in the bottom of the bottle to form a culture and then transferred it to a larger container with the sugared tea to ferment.
I created an instruction sheet I can post if you need it too.

Cheers

[Butangeld]

Thanks for the Kombucha Renee, I'd forgotten about that one. Tried it years ago.

I like it even more given the thought I'd be able to make some myself! Please post your instructions :)

[shadowstalker]

Yes MMS tastes horrid , but i myself never vomited from it even going up to 25 drops , like bill said it all depends on the person.
Havent tried the silver yet, not that i never wanted to , its the lack of cash as per usual

[DeBron]

MMS is fantastic!! That is all

[witchy1]

Hi Tigahawk, my qualification is RN - (although not currently practising, my certificate to practise is valid here and NZ) and I cant legally diagnose. If I could suggest very strongly that your friend gets rid of what sounds like a severe oral infection and fast - if not treated appropriately it could lead to septic shock (life threatening) Pain medication will only mask the issue. I think Tylenol is the same as Paracetamol over here - and is one of the most common reasons for A&E admssions - Overdosing! It looks like he is taking a large doseage. It can make you very sick. Please tell him to be careful and check the safe dosage. I dont want to be the harbinger of doom and gloom but it does sould like he is most unwell. Of note, oral infections are not always bacterial in nature, and can in fact be fungal (according to my dentist) so I hope whatever he is is taking is appropriate for his health issues and he is under appropriate medical care (not all Doctors are equal)
Personally I am currently detoxing on MMS1, bathing in it, drinking it and also as a mouth treatment. I use MMS2 once a day - but yes they can be rough. My body odour now alternates between a swimming pool and a freshly made hospital bed!

Little and often is definately better as previously described and indicated by Jim. If possible per Jim's website, he should perhaps consider taking a strict vitamin regeime prior to starting MMS internally. (C,D and Mg from memory) MMS1 used as mouth wash / tooth treatment has had great oral benefits for me and he may consider it useful to start the oral regieme while taking viamins in preparation for a detox. Naturally he needs to make an informed decsion on treatment once he has considered all the facts
Trust this helps

Carmody - your Adenoids would have dissapeared between 10 years old and adolescents (just a useless piece of information), but yes the tonsils are important to retain if possible, not that you need any qualification to find that out, just chatting

Stay safe

[JoshERTW]

Witchy - " I think Tylenol is the same as Paracetamol over here"

You are correct, I moved to AUS from here a while back and had to figure out all of the 'conversions' haha

[hyundisonata]

Well I am going to be my normal blunt self. Pain. Live with it. Get rid of the pain killers, nothing but pharma poison. Your friend would soon find ways that are harmless such as a hot water bottle or tiger balm. Lots of ways to beat pain without lining the pharma pocket. Another good tip on health is vit D3 daily helps keep the bugs away. Prevention is always better than cure.
Nancy v you are the first person I have heard mention the noise lol. It’s worse than Chinese torture. Glad your better now.

[peaceviddie]

MMS tips:

I tried an MMS cleanse regime and stupidly boosted my dose to 8 drops in the 2nd day. 8 drops was fine in the morning, but my 2nd dose around noon triggered intense vomiting nausea and vomiting again hours later. Determined to continue the cleanse I reduced my dosage but found that I was no longer able to stomach the stuff. The smell triggered a gag reflex in me and the taste was unbearable. Now faced with this predicament, I followed Jim Humble's advice and used a medicine dropper to put activated MMS into gel capsules in order to take them that way. Maybe I'm a wimp but I don't know how anyone could take it any other way.

On a similar note, I always kept a large chewable vitamin C tablet in my pocket whenever I increased the dose. With me anyway, I knew within 5 minutes whether I was going to vomit from the MMS. As soon as that feeling of lightheadedness set, I would eat the vitamin C tablet. My stomach would grumble for a little while as the MMS was neutralized, but shortly afterward I would be completely normal again; better than 5 hours of feeling green like the 1st time I took too much.

[peaceviddie]

I have a question for anyone who has tried MMS. Is stomach pain from taking the stuff a common side effect?

When I looked on the Jim Humble Q & A, he attributes stomach pain to the elimination of parasites or disease in the stomach and describes it as rare. I reached 12 drops twice a day without nausea but I always got stomach cramping. Actually, even with smaller doses, I had to take the stuff after eating otherwise my stomach would be in knots for a few days.

[Equinox]

My experience with MMS has been nothing short of incredible. With this wonderful solution, good eating, and some vitamin D and B12, I have eliminated the "need" for 6 different pharmaceuticals and improved my health to the best that its been in 15 years. If I feel something coming on, I do 6 drops twice in a day and next morning I feel great. My b/p went from a medicated 145/85 to a post MMS and non-medicated readings of 125/75. I also use an eyedropper and capsules to eliminate the taste factor along with the cranberry drink. My "cleanout" process was the 15 drops, 3 times per day for a week. This protocol worked for me but there are now "easier" ways to get the same results.
Good health to all

[happyexpat]

I tried MMS, and even starting with one drop and increasing the dose a drop per week, I couldn't take it. It just is not beneficial for the particular body I happen to be using on this trip.

I have taken colloidal silver, too (yes, yes, made correctly and all that), and not experienced the miracles I have seen other people have with it.

Organ regeneration has been the best thing I have found for healing the body I use.

The options for healing are only limited by how we choose to limit the possibilities. It's all about figuring out what works for you.

If people have health stuff going on, they might consider learning how to dowse, or asking someone to dowse for them to help them see what options are or are not beneficial, and you can even check what percentage of probability there is of something being beneficial.

[Arrowwind]

I have been an MMS1 advocate since it went on sale about 3 years ago. I have collected testimonials and I actively counseled many people on its use.

For your friend I would say this... Do not use MMS1 at this time. I have read a number of testimonials where mms precipitated the rapid release of arterial plaque and caused heart and or stroke problems. It is just too powerful for this condition and it is not worth the risk especially when there are other safer things available.

He needs to know what caused his stroke.. was it a bleed or was it a blood clot. Most strokes are caused by a clot. As people get older they develope fibrogen disorders. I don't even think they understand what causes this but my guess is a decrease in the enzyme functions of the body with age.

If it was a clot generally they put these types of patients of coumadin/warfarin or plavix to keep the blood thin. Be aware though that these drugs will not dissolve a clot. They just keep it from getting bigger. They profoundly affect the clotting mechinisms of the blood and they are serious drugs not to be taken lightly. They can cause death from misapplication and if a trauma is suffered like what for most people might be a not so significant head bump, it can be death or brain damage for people on these drugs.

So he needs to know what kind of stroke he had.

If his stroke was caused by a clot the best option is to take Nattokinase. This is an enzyme product developed in china and now used by the most savoy naturopaths and even medical doctors in Germany. Natto is made from fermented soy. It will keep the blood from not excessively clotting. It will aso dissolve a clot in just a couple of days... sometimes less.

If you are having a stroke in the ER they will administer an enzyme called Streptokinase. It will dissolve the clot but there is a time factor involved,, that I don't really understand.. there is only a window of a several hours to use this drug

Nattokinase will work at any point during the blood clot stroke.. or even pulmonary emboli. Natto will also help to declog the whole vascular system of plaque.

Please be aware that the vast majority of people who have blood clots also have arterial plaque issues. A caratid sonogram can tell you and he needs to know. Its cheap, about $120.

If for some reason the doc tells him his stroke was due to arterial plaque, forget the natto and get Serrapeptase. This is the superior choice for roto rooter work on the vascular system. www.serrapeptase.info (http://www.serrapeptase.info) I use Drs Best from www.iherb.com (http://www.iherb.com) I think they make nattokinase also. I have found their Serrapepase to be very biologically active and have used it in a number of arthritis cases with good results.
If you decide to purchase from this site enter my code BAR 967 and you will get $5 your first purchase.

In either case he needs other supplements including a mega B vitamin, non flush free niacin, Vitamin c at least 4 grams a day, B6 100mg a day

For the neuro problems he developed it would be worth trying injectable vitamin B12. this vitamin has a great rep for healing nerve damage and nerve inflammation. He needs the B12 in methylcobalamine form and he needs on shot a day of 1000mcg for two weeks, then reduce to 3x week for 3 weeks, then once a week for about a month. He should know if its going to help around week 3 or so.

If there is an arterial plaque issue he should also be on Vitamin K2 as it will help the calcium to deposit in his bones and not in the lining of the blood vessels.

He also needs D3 at least 5,000 IU a day but would benefit from a very high loading dose, like 50,000 IU for 3 days, 10,000 iu for two weeks then down to 5,000 iu.

After about 4 or 5 months of protocols along this line then start to consider mms. Until then use colloidal silver for infection issues.
He could do a mouth wash of mms but don't swallow it. MMS is proving to cause dental sensitivity in people who use it daily for a mouth wash. Limit to 2 weeks, then once a week for maintence. Grapefruit seed extract is also excellent for oral bacteria issues. Sounds like he needs false teeth anyway.

After he has done roto rooter then consider mms. It will detox all that mercury he probably has from all those foul fillings. Lugols iodine also detoxes mercury so he could investigate supplementing with that... there is a learning curve on that one.

On my blog I have the most excellent articles for dealing with stroke and cardio vascular disease... go to www.healthsalon.org (http://www.healthsalon.org) and use the search bar. enter the words The Ultimate Cure and about 6 or 7 articles will come up and you will get quite an education there. He can heal this but he will really have to want to and do the work.

I have a pdf file on nattokinase that I can send you if you pm me your email address. Its too big for the forum attachments

[Hybrid5226]

:confused:

Thats incredibly sad. Just sitting back and being able to see how much the corporations can manipulate us.


I care about my friend, its obvious that the medications he's been perscribed and are taking are not helping. And i've been moreso worried as of late as he's constantly online less and less and having to retire to sleep or just lay down so he can deal with it.



and thanks for the great replies, i may have a go at putting some links together (Alex Jones provided a great one for me today to start with - http://www.prisonplanet.com/fda-censorship-of-nutritional-science-threatens-health-of-all-americans.html ) and encouraging him to do his own research into it.

Not saying your friend should do this but in the past when a doctor told me to do something I did the opposite an ended up better for it . lol
Friend an I both received results that we had M.S. she followed the doctors protocal an is now in a wheelchair an exhausted all medicines available to help her .
I searched for alternatives for everything the doctor suggested an it has been 6 years later an I actually am doing better then before the diagnosis .
Peace

[seko]

I sell MMS here in Mexico and I am part of Jim's team. MMS works for me and the people that I had given it too. I helped people with Herpes, sinus, feet fungus, flu, cold, stomach infections. A lot of them got diarrea, some nothing but thirst.
A old lady with diabetes, she was about to lose her kidneys and she could not walk anymore, MMS helped her killing a lot of bacteria and now she walks, but diabetes was not cured.
But it does work, but each body is different. try small doses first.

[bashi]

I have a question for anyone who has tried MMS. Is stomach pain from taking the stuff a common side effect?

When I looked on the Jim Humble Q & A, he attributes stomach pain to the elimination of parasites or disease in the stomach and describes it as rare. I reached 12 drops twice a day without nausea but I always got stomach cramping. Actually, even with smaller doses, I had to take the stuff after eating otherwise my stomach would be in knots for a few days.

Same with me. I have to eat before taking it.

[jegz]

I have both and prefer the silver. The MMS works, but it is harsh on my digestive system. If the silver does not work on what ever I am dealing with then the MMS is there as a last resort. I do not buy into the idea of maintenance doses of MMS. If you are a healthy person then you should not need a maintenance dose of anything like that.

Could it be that youre taking MMS on an empty stomach? or youre taking several drops (he does reccommend a max of 15 drops..so thats a tricky situation)

As for the maintenance dose, i think its a sound practice, because we live in a world where we are inhaling a lot more than we bargained for...starting with exhaust fumes and heavy metals, water with chemicals added, soft drinks with additives, veggies treated with pesticides...and even if you dodge that there's still the risk of chemtrails...
With that in mind, a maintenance dose is good for you brother(or sister depending on your gender)