Stats for Gun Deaths in the US Have Been Going Down

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Gun Violence

How Prevalent is Gun Violence in America?

Source: http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-violence/welcome.htm

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/weapons.pngSource: Bureau of Justice Statistics
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In 2005, 11,346 persons were killed by firearm violence and 477,040 persons were victims of a crime committed with a firearm. Most murders in the United States are committed with firearms, especially handguns.

In 2006, firearms were used in 68 percent of murders, 42 percent of robbery offenses and 22 percent of aggravated assaults nationwide. (Weapons data are not collected for forcible rapes. See table 19 "Violent Crime," from Crime in the United States, 2006 (http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_19.html).)
Homicides committed with firearms peaked in 1993 at 17,075, after which the figure steadily fell, leveling off in 1999 at 10,117. Gun-related homicides have increased slightly each year since 2002.
Find data on homicides by weapon type from the Bureau of Justice Statistics. (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/weapons.cfm)

Gun-Related Homicide and Gangs

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Gun-related homicide is most prevalent among gangs and during the commission of felony crimes. In 1976, the percentage of homicides caused by firearms during arguments was about the same as from gang involvement (about 70 percent), but by 1993, nearly all gang-related homicides involved guns (97 percent), whereas the percentage of gun homicides related to arguments remained relatively constant. The percentage of gang-related homicides caused by guns fell slightly to 94 percent in 2004, but the percentage of homicides caused by firearms during the commission of a felony rose from about 60 percent to 77 percent from 1976 to 2005.
See Youths, Gangs and Guns (http://www.nij.gov/nij/topics/crime/gun-violence/youths-gangs-guns/welcome.htm).

Nonfatal Firearm-Related Crime

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Nonfatal firearm-related crime has fallen significantly in recent years, from almost 1.3 million victims in 1994 to 477,040 victims in 2005.
As a percentage of all violent incidents, nonfatal gun crime has fallen below 10 percent, from 11 percent in 1994 to 9 percent in 2005. These crimes include rape, sexual assault, robbery and aggravated assault.
See Nonfatal firearm-related violent victimization rate (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/firearmnonfataltab.cfm).

Go to Who Has Illegal Guns and How Are They Acquired? (http://www.nij.gov/nij/topics/crime/gun-violence/aquired.htm)

Meanwhile gun control in UK and Australia does not provide safety:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323777204578195470446855466.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Joyce Lee Malcolm: Two Cautionary Tales of Gun Control


After a school massacre, the U.K. banned handguns in 1998. A decade later, handgun crime had doubled.




By JOYCE LEE MALCOLM (http://online.wsj.com/search/term.html?KEYWORDS=JOYCE+LEE+MALCOLM&bylinesearch=true)

Americans are determined that massacres such as happened in Newtown, Conn., never happen again. But how? Many advocate more effective treatment of mentally-ill people or armed protection in so-called gun-free zones. Many others demand stricter control of firearms.

We aren't alone in facing this problem. Great Britain and Australia, for example, suffered mass shootings in the 1980s and 1990s. Both countries had very stringent gun laws when they occurred. Nevertheless, both decided that even stricter control of guns was the answer. Their experiences can be instructive.
In 1987, Michael Ryan went on a shooting spree in his small town of Hungerford, England, killing 16 people (including his mother) and wounding another 14 before shooting himself. Since the public was unarmed—as were the police—Ryan wandered the streets for eight hours with two semiautomatic rifles and a handgun before anyone with a firearm was able to come to the rescue.
Nine years later, in March 1996, Thomas Hamilton, a man known to be mentally unstable, walked into a primary school in the Scottish town of Dunblane and shot 16 young children and their teacher. He wounded 10 other children and three other teachers before taking his own life.
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Since 1920, anyone in Britain wanting a handgun had to obtain a certificate from his local police stating he was fit to own a weapon and had good reason to have one. Over the years, the definition of "good reason" gradually narrowed. By 1969, self-defense was never a good reason for a permit.

After Hungerford, the British government banned semiautomatic rifles and brought shotguns—the last type of firearm that could be purchased with a simple show of fitness—under controls similar to those in place for pistols and rifles. Magazines were limited to two shells with a third in the chamber.
Dunblane had a more dramatic impact. Hamilton had a firearm certificate, although according to the rules he should not have been granted one. A media frenzy coupled with an emotional campaign by parents of Dunblane resulted in the Firearms Act of 1998, which instituted a nearly complete ban on handguns. Owners of pistols were required to turn them in. The penalty for illegal possession of a pistol is up to 10 years in prison.
The results have not been what proponents of the act wanted. Within a decade of the handgun ban and the confiscation of handguns from registered owners, crime with handguns had doubled according to British government crime reports. Gun crime, not a serious problem in the past, now is. Armed street gangs have some British police carrying guns for the first time. Moreover, another massacre occurred in June 2010. Derrick Bird, a taxi driver in Cumbria, shot his brother and a colleague then drove off through rural villages killing 12 people and injuring 11 more before killing himself.

Meanwhile, law-abiding citizens who have come into the possession of a firearm, even accidentally, have been harshly treated. In 2009 a former soldier, Paul Clarke, found a bag in his garden containing a shotgun. He brought it to the police station and was immediately handcuffed and charged with possession of the gun. At his trial the judge noted: "In law there is no dispute that Mr. Clarke has no defence to this charge. The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant." Mr. Clarke was sentenced to five years in prison. A public outcry eventually won his release.

In November of this year, Danny Nightingale, member of a British special forces unit in Iraq and Afghanistan, was sentenced to 18 months in military prison for possession of a pistol and ammunition. Sgt. Nightingale was given the Glock pistol as a gift by Iraqi forces he had been training. It was packed up with his possessions and returned to him by colleagues in Iraq after he left the country to organize a funeral for two close friends killed in action. Mr. Nightingale pleaded guilty to avoid a five-year sentence and was in prison until an appeal and public outcry freed him on Nov. 29.
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Six weeks after the Dunblane massacre in 1996, Martin Bryant, an Australian with a lifelong history of violence, attacked tourists at a Port Arthur prison site in Tasmania with two semiautomatic rifles. He killed 35 people and wounded 21 others.
At the time, Australia's guns laws were stricter than the United Kingdom's. In lieu of the requirement in Britain that an applicant for permission to purchase a gun have a "good reason," Australia required a "genuine reason." Hunting and protecting crops from feral animals were genuine reasons—personal protection wasn't.

With new Prime Minister John Howard in the lead, Australia passed the National Firearms Agreement, banning all semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic and pump-action shotguns and imposing a more restrictive licensing system on other firearms. The government also launched a forced buyback scheme to remove thousands of firearms from private hands. Between Oct. 1, 1996, and Sept. 30, 1997, the government purchased and destroyed more than 631,000 of the banned guns at a cost of $500 million.

To what end? While there has been much controversy over the result of the law and buyback, Peter Reuter and Jenny Mouzos, in a 2003 study published by the Brookings Institution, found homicides "continued a modest decline" since 1997. They concluded that the impact of the National Firearms Agreement was "relatively small," with the daily rate of firearms homicides declining 3.2%.
According to their study, the use of handguns rather than long guns (rifles and shotguns) went up sharply, but only one out of 117 gun homicides in the two years following the 1996 National Firearms Agreement used a registered gun. Suicides with firearms went down but suicides by other means went up. They reported "a modest reduction in the severity" of massacres (four or more indiscriminate homicides) in the five years since the government weapons buyback. These involved knives, gas and arson rather than firearms.
In 2008, the Australian Institute of Criminology reported a decrease of 9% in homicides and a one-third decrease in armed robbery since the 1990s, but an increase of over 40% in assaults and 20% in sexual assaults.
What to conclude? Strict gun laws in Great Britain and Australia haven't made their people noticeably safer, nor have they prevented massacres. The two major countries held up as models for the U.S. don't provide much evidence that strict gun laws will solve our problems.

Ms. Malcolm, a professor of law at George Mason University Law School, is the author of several books including "Guns and Violence: The English Experience," (Harvard, 2002).

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And in the countries where guns have been removed from the responsible owners. Armed robberies went up 69%, Assults with guns up 28%, Gun murders 19% and home invasions up 21%. I have run out of my house to chase a thief away from my house or a nieghbors more than 25 times in 15 years. I have a silent alarm which allows me to do this. Not once have I had to shoot someone yet they want to take my guns away. It's the people tyhat want to take them that have something to fear because they are criminals and the word is out big time.

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Bump with this.... the shooter in Connecticut did not us an assault rifle. Please famaliarize yourself with the facts on gun control and just how much safety it has provided people in countries that have inforced such laws. Lets get to the truth.

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Oath Keepers addresses the Guns take back issue with Alex Jones

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Chicago ended 2012 with 532 people murdered, according to statistics compiled by the Crime in Chicago website. The number of people murdered the year before was 441, meaning in the city of Chicago, murders have increased by 91 (21%) from 20...11 to 2012.

The website also claims that, through December 25, 2012, 2,670 people were SHOT. That's also an increase of 453 shootings, an increase of 20% from the year before, when 2,217 people were shot in Chicago that year.

In all, it means that on average almost 1.5 people were murdered in Chicago each day last year, while on average 7.3 people were shot each day.

To add insult to injury at least 11 people were shot, 1 fatally, in the early hours of the New Year. Obama's and Emanuel's New Year 2013 is truly starting off with a BIG BANG!

But NO GUN FREE ZONES for Obama and Emanuel -- no sirree. They have armed guards surrounding them at all times and both send their children to schools guarded by well armed security, in Obama's case by Secret Service wo/men armed with semi-automatic pistols and/or automatic assault rifles. Same goes for David "BIG AMMO CLIP" Gregory who sends his kids to the same school as Obama's daughters.See More


Notice the multi-colored map below. See that BLACK mark just right of center -- that's Illinois, the home of the Windy City: Chicago, currently Mayored by Rahm "Rahmbo Dead Fish" Emanuel, Barack Hussein Obama's former White House Chief of ...Staff. Chicago is also Obama's hometown. Chicago has some of the most stringent and harsh anti-2nd amendment Gun Control Laws in the nation.

And it is no coincidence that Chicago is fast over-taking New York as the Murder Capital of the U.S., DESPITE playing host to so many "Gun Free Zones."

Chicago ended 2012 with 532 people murdered, according to statistics compiled by the Crime in Chicago website. The number of people murdered the year before was 441, meaning in the city of Chicago, murders have increased by 91 (21%) from 2011 to 2012.

The website also claims that, through December 25, 2012, 2,670 people were SHOT. That's also an increase of 453 shootings, an increase of 20% from the year before, when 2,217 people were shot in Chicago that year.

In all, it means that on average almost 1.5 people were murdered in Chicago each day last year, while on average 7.3 people were shot each day.

To add insult to injury at least 11 people were shot, 1 fatally, in the early hours of the New Year. Obama's and Emanuel's New Year 2013 is truly starting off with a BIG BANG!

But NO GUN FREE ZONES for Obama and Emanuel -- no sirree. They have armed guards surrounding them at all times and both send their children to schools guarded by well armed security, in Obama's case by Secret Service wo/men armed with semi-automatic pistols and/or automatic assault rifles. Same goes for David "BIG AMMO CLIP" Gregory who sends his kids to the same school as Obama's daughters.

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Notice how we never hear about the little old granny who blasts the intruder with her 38 revolver. Always the negative, horror stories. Never the successfully defended home type.

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Notice how we never hear about the little old granny who blasts the intruder with her 38 revolver. Always the negative, horror stories. Never the successfully defended home type.

Reminds me of a story from when I lived in South Dallas. I hired my babysitter to assist with my wedding. She came over the day before and told me that she had walked over to visit a neighbor elderly woman to find her dead on the floor, raped and murdered. Come to find out that this was a repeated event in South Dallas, with elderly woman being targeted... I was a mainstream media news junky at that time. It has never ever been reported on the news that this was happening. If little old ladies had understood the danger perhaps they would live longer. There was a repression of information regarding how dangerous Dallas was. The city averages over 300 murders a year, at least back in 88 it did.

In Texas you can legally shoot anyone who comes into your house and treatens you. The streets were filled with guns at that time and we ducked bullets whizzing past the house on more than one occassion. I was too stupid at the time to have a gun, but I sometimes slept with a big knife under my pillow, which was equally stupid.

I never thought I could kill anybody.. always thought Id just as soon checkout rather than have that blood on my hands. All that changed when I had children. I would kill to defend them and myself. Now the kids are grown and gone.. and I still maintain a Dont Tread on Me Attidude. My life is worth more that anyone who would assault me is how I see it.

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For those who don't know, hollow point bullets are used to kill people.
Why does the U.S. Department of Homeland Security need 450 million rounds of such bullets?

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For those who don't know, hollow point bullets are used to kill people.
Why does the U.S. Department of Homeland Security need 450 million rounds of such bullets?Other agencies as well. Didn't the Social Security Administration buy a sht load of ammo lately?

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The only way it could work is either

Everybody has a gun

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Alex Jones commentary on the movement to remove guns from conservatives, libertarians, and all gun owners across the nation.

Military is training to enact gun removal

Oathkeepers in on high alert.


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From: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/03/FBI-More-People-Killed-With-Hammers-and-Clubs-Each-Year-Than-With-Rifles

According to the FBI annual crime statistics, the number of murders committed annually with hammers and clubs far outnumbers the number of murders committed with a rifle.

This is an interesting fact, particularly amid the Democrats' feverish push to ban many different rifles, ostensibly to keep us safe of course.

However, it appears the zeal of Sens. like Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Joe Manchin (D-WV) is misdirected. For in looking at the FBI numbers from 2005 to 2011, the number of murders by hammers and clubs consistently exceeds the number of murders committed with a rifle.

Think about it: In 2005 (http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_08.html), the number of murders committed with a rifle was 445, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 605. In 2006, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 438, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 618.

And so the list goes, with the actual numbers changing somewhat from year to year, yet the fact that more people are killed with blunt objects each year remains constant.

For example, in 2011 (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11), there was 323 murders committed with a rifle but 496 murders committed with hammers and clubs.

While the FBI makes is clear that some of the "murder by rifle" numbers could be adjusted up slightly, when you take into account murders with non-categorized types of guns, it does not change the fact that their annual reports consistently show more lives are taken each year with these blunt objects than are taken with Feinstein's dreaded rifle.

Another interesting fact: According to the FBI, nearly twice as many people are killed by hands and fists (http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_08.html) each year than are killed by murderers who use rifles.

The bottom line: A rifle ban is as illogical as it is unconstitutional. We face far greater danger from individuals armed with carpenters' tools and a caveman's stick.

And it seems fairly obvious that if more people had a gun, less people would be inclined to try to hit them in the head with a hammer

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Gun Violence

How Prevalent is Gun Violence in America?

Source: http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-violence/welcome.htm

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In 2005, 11,346 persons were killed by firearm violence and 477,040 persons were victims of a crime committed with a firearm. Most murders in the United States are committed with firearms, especially handguns.

In 2006, firearms were used in 68 percent of murders, 42 percent of robbery offenses and 22 percent of aggravated assaults nationwide. (Weapons data are not collected for forcible rapes. See table 19 "Violent Crime," from Crime in the United States, 2006 (http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_19.html).)
Homicides committed with firearms peaked in 1993 at 17,075, after which the figure steadily fell, leveling off in 1999 at 10,117. Gun-related homicides have increased slightly each year since 2002.
Find data on homicides by weapon type from the Bureau of Justice Statistics. (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/weapons.cfm)

Gun-Related Homicide and Gangs

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Gun-related homicide is most prevalent among gangs and during the commission of felony crimes. In 1976, the percentage of homicides caused by firearms during arguments was about the same as from gang involvement (about 70 percent), but by 1993, nearly all gang-related homicides involved guns (97 percent), whereas the percentage of gun homicides related to arguments remained relatively constant. The percentage of gang-related homicides caused by guns fell slightly to 94 percent in 2004, but the percentage of homicides caused by firearms during the commission of a felony rose from about 60 percent to 77 percent from 1976 to 2005.
See Youths, Gangs and Guns (http://www.nij.gov/nij/topics/crime/gun-violence/youths-gangs-guns/welcome.htm).

Nonfatal Firearm-Related Crime

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Nonfatal firearm-related crime has fallen significantly in recent years, from almost 1.3 million victims in 1994 to 477,040 victims in 2005.
As a percentage of all violent incidents, nonfatal gun crime has fallen below 10 percent, from 11 percent in 1994 to 9 percent in 2005. These crimes include rape, sexual assault, robbery and aggravated assault.
See Nonfatal firearm-related violent victimization rate (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/firearmnonfataltab.cfm).

Go to Who Has Illegal Guns and How Are They Acquired? (http://www.nij.gov/nij/topics/crime/gun-violence/aquired.htm)

Meanwhile gun control in UK and Australia does not provide safety:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323777204578195470446855466.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Joyce Lee Malcolm: Two Cautionary Tales of Gun Control


After a school massacre, the U.K. banned handguns in 1998. A decade later, handgun crime had doubled.




By JOYCE LEE MALCOLM (http://online.wsj.com/search/term.html?KEYWORDS=JOYCE+LEE+MALCOLM&bylinesearch=true)

Americans are determined that massacres such as happened in Newtown, Conn., never happen again. But how? Many advocate more effective treatment of mentally-ill people or armed protection in so-called gun-free zones. Many others demand stricter control of firearms.

We aren't alone in facing this problem. Great Britain and Australia, for example, suffered mass shootings in the 1980s and 1990s. Both countries had very stringent gun laws when they occurred. Nevertheless, both decided that even stricter control of guns was the answer. Their experiences can be instructive.
In 1987, Michael Ryan went on a shooting spree in his small town of Hungerford, England, killing 16 people (including his mother) and wounding another 14 before shooting himself. Since the public was unarmed—as were the police—Ryan wandered the streets for eight hours with two semiautomatic rifles and a handgun before anyone with a firearm was able to come to the rescue.
Nine years later, in March 1996, Thomas Hamilton, a man known to be mentally unstable, walked into a primary school in the Scottish town of Dunblane and shot 16 young children and their teacher. He wounded 10 other children and three other teachers before taking his own life.
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Since 1920, anyone in Britain wanting a handgun had to obtain a certificate from his local police stating he was fit to own a weapon and had good reason to have one. Over the years, the definition of "good reason" gradually narrowed. By 1969, self-defense was never a good reason for a permit.

After Hungerford, the British government banned semiautomatic rifles and brought shotguns—the last type of firearm that could be purchased with a simple show of fitness—under controls similar to those in place for pistols and rifles. Magazines were limited to two shells with a third in the chamber.
Dunblane had a more dramatic impact. Hamilton had a firearm certificate, although according to the rules he should not have been granted one. A media frenzy coupled with an emotional campaign by parents of Dunblane resulted in the Firearms Act of 1998, which instituted a nearly complete ban on handguns. Owners of pistols were required to turn them in. The penalty for illegal possession of a pistol is up to 10 years in prison.
The results have not been what proponents of the act wanted. Within a decade of the handgun ban and the confiscation of handguns from registered owners, crime with handguns had doubled according to British government crime reports. Gun crime, not a serious problem in the past, now is. Armed street gangs have some British police carrying guns for the first time. Moreover, another massacre occurred in June 2010. Derrick Bird, a taxi driver in Cumbria, shot his brother and a colleague then drove off through rural villages killing 12 people and injuring 11 more before killing himself.

Meanwhile, law-abiding citizens who have come into the possession of a firearm, even accidentally, have been harshly treated. In 2009 a former soldier, Paul Clarke, found a bag in his garden containing a shotgun. He brought it to the police station and was immediately handcuffed and charged with possession of the gun. At his trial the judge noted: "In law there is no dispute that Mr. Clarke has no defence to this charge. The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant." Mr. Clarke was sentenced to five years in prison. A public outcry eventually won his release.

In November of this year, Danny Nightingale, member of a British special forces unit in Iraq and Afghanistan, was sentenced to 18 months in military prison for possession of a pistol and ammunition. Sgt. Nightingale was given the Glock pistol as a gift by Iraqi forces he had been training. It was packed up with his possessions and returned to him by colleagues in Iraq after he left the country to organize a funeral for two close friends killed in action. Mr. Nightingale pleaded guilty to avoid a five-year sentence and was in prison until an appeal and public outcry freed him on Nov. 29.
***

Six weeks after the Dunblane massacre in 1996, Martin Bryant, an Australian with a lifelong history of violence, attacked tourists at a Port Arthur prison site in Tasmania with two semiautomatic rifles. He killed 35 people and wounded 21 others.
At the time, Australia's guns laws were stricter than the United Kingdom's. In lieu of the requirement in Britain that an applicant for permission to purchase a gun have a "good reason," Australia required a "genuine reason." Hunting and protecting crops from feral animals were genuine reasons—personal protection wasn't.

With new Prime Minister John Howard in the lead, Australia passed the National Firearms Agreement, banning all semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic and pump-action shotguns and imposing a more restrictive licensing system on other firearms. The government also launched a forced buyback scheme to remove thousands of firearms from private hands. Between Oct. 1, 1996, and Sept. 30, 1997, the government purchased and destroyed more than 631,000 of the banned guns at a cost of $500 million.

To what end? While there has been much controversy over the result of the law and buyback, Peter Reuter and Jenny Mouzos, in a 2003 study published by the Brookings Institution, found homicides "continued a modest decline" since 1997. They concluded that the impact of the National Firearms Agreement was "relatively small," with the daily rate of firearms homicides declining 3.2%.
According to their study, the use of handguns rather than long guns (rifles and shotguns) went up sharply, but only one out of 117 gun homicides in the two years following the 1996 National Firearms Agreement used a registered gun. Suicides with firearms went down but suicides by other means went up. They reported "a modest reduction in the severity" of massacres (four or more indiscriminate homicides) in the five years since the government weapons buyback. These involved knives, gas and arson rather than firearms.
In 2008, the Australian Institute of Criminology reported a decrease of 9% in homicides and a one-third decrease in armed robbery since the 1990s, but an increase of over 40% in assaults and 20% in sexual assaults.
What to conclude? Strict gun laws in Great Britain and Australia haven't made their people noticeably safer, nor have they prevented massacres. The two major countries held up as models for the U.S. don't provide much evidence that strict gun laws will solve our problems.

Ms. Malcolm, a professor of law at George Mason University Law School, is the author of several books including "Guns and Violence: The English Experience," (Harvard, 2002).

Sorry didn't have time to read your whole post. So if you could put it into 3 or 4 sentences, what's your suggestion for curbing gun crimes/mass shootings in America?

[Youniverse]

Gun Violence

How Prevalent is Gun Violence in America?

Source: http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-violence/welcome.htm

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/weapons.pngSource: Bureau of Justice Statistics
Data table [opens in pop-up window] (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/tables/weaponstab.cfm) | Text description [opens in pop-up window] (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/d_weapons.cfm)


In 2005, 11,346 persons were killed by firearm violence and 477,040 persons were victims of a crime committed with a firearm. Most murders in the United States are committed with firearms, especially handguns.

In 2006, firearms were used in 68 percent of murders, 42 percent of robbery offenses and 22 percent of aggravated assaults nationwide. (Weapons data are not collected for forcible rapes. See table 19 "Violent Crime," from Crime in the United States, 2006 (http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_19.html).)
Homicides committed with firearms peaked in 1993 at 17,075, after which the figure steadily fell, leveling off in 1999 at 10,117. Gun-related homicides have increased slightly each year since 2002.
Find data on homicides by weapon type from the Bureau of Justice Statistics. (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/weapons.cfm)

Gun-Related Homicide and Gangs

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/circumgun.pngSource: Bureau of Justice Statistics
Data table [opens in pop-up window] (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/tables/circumguntab.cfm) | Text description [opens in pop-up window] (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/d_circumgun.cfm)


Gun-related homicide is most prevalent among gangs and during the commission of felony crimes. In 1976, the percentage of homicides caused by firearms during arguments was about the same as from gang involvement (about 70 percent), but by 1993, nearly all gang-related homicides involved guns (97 percent), whereas the percentage of gun homicides related to arguments remained relatively constant. The percentage of gang-related homicides caused by guns fell slightly to 94 percent in 2004, but the percentage of homicides caused by firearms during the commission of a felony rose from about 60 percent to 77 percent from 1976 to 2005.
See Youths, Gangs and Guns (http://www.nij.gov/nij/topics/crime/gun-violence/youths-gangs-guns/welcome.htm).

Nonfatal Firearm-Related Crime

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/firearmnonfatalno.gifSource: Bureau of Justice Statistics
Data table [opens in pop-up window] (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/firearmnonfataltab.cfm) | Text description [opens in pop-up window] (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/d_firearmnonfatalno.cfm)


Nonfatal firearm-related crime has fallen significantly in recent years, from almost 1.3 million victims in 1994 to 477,040 victims in 2005.
As a percentage of all violent incidents, nonfatal gun crime has fallen below 10 percent, from 11 percent in 1994 to 9 percent in 2005. These crimes include rape, sexual assault, robbery and aggravated assault.
See Nonfatal firearm-related violent victimization rate (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/firearmnonfataltab.cfm).

Go to Who Has Illegal Guns and How Are They Acquired? (http://www.nij.gov/nij/topics/crime/gun-violence/aquired.htm)

Meanwhile gun control in UK and Australia does not provide safety:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323777204578195470446855466.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Joyce Lee Malcolm: Two Cautionary Tales of Gun Control


After a school massacre, the U.K. banned handguns in 1998. A decade later, handgun crime had doubled.




By JOYCE LEE MALCOLM (http://online.wsj.com/search/term.html?KEYWORDS=JOYCE+LEE+MALCOLM&bylinesearch=true)

Americans are determined that massacres such as happened in Newtown, Conn., never happen again. But how? Many advocate more effective treatment of mentally-ill people or armed protection in so-called gun-free zones. Many others demand stricter control of firearms.

We aren't alone in facing this problem. Great Britain and Australia, for example, suffered mass shootings in the 1980s and 1990s. Both countries had very stringent gun laws when they occurred. Nevertheless, both decided that even stricter control of guns was the answer. Their experiences can be instructive.
In 1987, Michael Ryan went on a shooting spree in his small town of Hungerford, England, killing 16 people (including his mother) and wounding another 14 before shooting himself. Since the public was unarmed—as were the police—Ryan wandered the streets for eight hours with two semiautomatic rifles and a handgun before anyone with a firearm was able to come to the rescue.
Nine years later, in March 1996, Thomas Hamilton, a man known to be mentally unstable, walked into a primary school in the Scottish town of Dunblane and shot 16 young children and their teacher. He wounded 10 other children and three other teachers before taking his own life.
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Since 1920, anyone in Britain wanting a handgun had to obtain a certificate from his local police stating he was fit to own a weapon and had good reason to have one. Over the years, the definition of "good reason" gradually narrowed. By 1969, self-defense was never a good reason for a permit.

After Hungerford, the British government banned semiautomatic rifles and brought shotguns—the last type of firearm that could be purchased with a simple show of fitness—under controls similar to those in place for pistols and rifles. Magazines were limited to two shells with a third in the chamber.
Dunblane had a more dramatic impact. Hamilton had a firearm certificate, although according to the rules he should not have been granted one. A media frenzy coupled with an emotional campaign by parents of Dunblane resulted in the Firearms Act of 1998, which instituted a nearly complete ban on handguns. Owners of pistols were required to turn them in. The penalty for illegal possession of a pistol is up to 10 years in prison.
The results have not been what proponents of the act wanted. Within a decade of the handgun ban and the confiscation of handguns from registered owners, crime with handguns had doubled according to British government crime reports. Gun crime, not a serious problem in the past, now is. Armed street gangs have some British police carrying guns for the first time. Moreover, another massacre occurred in June 2010. Derrick Bird, a taxi driver in Cumbria, shot his brother and a colleague then drove off through rural villages killing 12 people and injuring 11 more before killing himself.

Meanwhile, law-abiding citizens who have come into the possession of a firearm, even accidentally, have been harshly treated. In 2009 a former soldier, Paul Clarke, found a bag in his garden containing a shotgun. He brought it to the police station and was immediately handcuffed and charged with possession of the gun. At his trial the judge noted: "In law there is no dispute that Mr. Clarke has no defence to this charge. The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant." Mr. Clarke was sentenced to five years in prison. A public outcry eventually won his release.

In November of this year, Danny Nightingale, member of a British special forces unit in Iraq and Afghanistan, was sentenced to 18 months in military prison for possession of a pistol and ammunition. Sgt. Nightingale was given the Glock pistol as a gift by Iraqi forces he had been training. It was packed up with his possessions and returned to him by colleagues in Iraq after he left the country to organize a funeral for two close friends killed in action. Mr. Nightingale pleaded guilty to avoid a five-year sentence and was in prison until an appeal and public outcry freed him on Nov. 29.
***

Six weeks after the Dunblane massacre in 1996, Martin Bryant, an Australian with a lifelong history of violence, attacked tourists at a Port Arthur prison site in Tasmania with two semiautomatic rifles. He killed 35 people and wounded 21 others.
At the time, Australia's guns laws were stricter than the United Kingdom's. In lieu of the requirement in Britain that an applicant for permission to purchase a gun have a "good reason," Australia required a "genuine reason." Hunting and protecting crops from feral animals were genuine reasons—personal protection wasn't.

With new Prime Minister John Howard in the lead, Australia passed the National Firearms Agreement, banning all semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic and pump-action shotguns and imposing a more restrictive licensing system on other firearms. The government also launched a forced buyback scheme to remove thousands of firearms from private hands. Between Oct. 1, 1996, and Sept. 30, 1997, the government purchased and destroyed more than 631,000 of the banned guns at a cost of $500 million.

To what end? While there has been much controversy over the result of the law and buyback, Peter Reuter and Jenny Mouzos, in a 2003 study published by the Brookings Institution, found homicides "continued a modest decline" since 1997. They concluded that the impact of the National Firearms Agreement was "relatively small," with the daily rate of firearms homicides declining 3.2%.
According to their study, the use of handguns rather than long guns (rifles and shotguns) went up sharply, but only one out of 117 gun homicides in the two years following the 1996 National Firearms Agreement used a registered gun. Suicides with firearms went down but suicides by other means went up. They reported "a modest reduction in the severity" of massacres (four or more indiscriminate homicides) in the five years since the government weapons buyback. These involved knives, gas and arson rather than firearms.
In 2008, the Australian Institute of Criminology reported a decrease of 9% in homicides and a one-third decrease in armed robbery since the 1990s, but an increase of over 40% in assaults and 20% in sexual assaults.
What to conclude? Strict gun laws in Great Britain and Australia haven't made their people noticeably safer, nor have they prevented massacres. The two major countries held up as models for the U.S. don't provide much evidence that strict gun laws will solve our problems.

Ms. Malcolm, a professor of law at George Mason University Law School, is the author of several books including "Guns and Violence: The English Experience," (Harvard, 2002).

Sorry didn't have time to read your whole post. Just wondering if you could put your suggestion for curbing gun crimes/mass shootings in the U.S., in three or four sentences?

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Hello Arrowind! Sorry I didn't have tiime to read your whole post. Would you be able to provide your suggestion for curbing gun violence/mass shootings in America, in three or four sentences?

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Sorry again folks! Ha ha, my computer was acting up. My apologies for the repeats.

[Arrowwind]

:wizard:


Another interesting fact: According to the FBI, nearly twice as many people are killed by hands and fists (http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_08.html) each year than are killed by murderers who use rifles.

The bottom line: A rifle ban is as illogical as it is unconstitutional. We face far greater danger from individuals armed with carpenters' tools and a caveman's stick.




Clearly Amzer Zo, you point to the solution for violence in our nation. Amputation of the right or left of all males should greatly reduce not only deaths from guns but deaths from beating also. Brilliant!

thank you for bringing to attention key points.



:bigfish:

[Arrowwind]

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Hello Arrowind! Sorry I didn't have tiime to read your whole post. Would you be able to provide your suggestion for curbing gun violence/mass shootings in America, in three or four sentences?
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My suggestion for curbing deaths by rifles, etc is to have a well armed militia and a well armed civilian population. Clearly the stats indicate that those countries that are disarmed have increased death by guns.

My main concern about maintaining arms in the civilian population is so that the population will have some recourse against its own government if that should become necessary, and all indicators point to the possiblity that this is in our not too distant future.

[Hervé]

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Another interesting fact: According to the FBI, nearly twice as many people are killed by hands and fists (http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_08.html) each year than are killed by murderers who use rifles.

The bottom line: A rifle ban is as illogical as it is unconstitutional. We face far greater danger from individuals armed with carpenters' tools and a caveman's stick.




Clearly Amzer Zo, you point to the solution for violence in our nation. Amputation of the right or left of all males should greatly reduce not only deaths from guns but deaths from beating also. Brilliant!

thank you for bringing to attention key points.



:bigfish:

I am fairly certain the author forgot frying pans and roller pins... so that should include females as well... :jester:

[Youniverse]

Let me be frank. The only reason I'm putting my opinion into these types of discussion at all is because I care about human evolution. I have definately seen signs of an acceleration of this over the past few years or so. However, clinging to guns is a step backwards, not a step forwards. Do you guys understand how fearful you sound when you talk about arming yourselves against your own government? This is not a criticism(though some of you will take it that way anyways) or an indictment, it's an observation. I sincerely mean this from LOVE of all of you! Set aside your fear.

Let's look at a scenario that's been evolving in America for quite awhile. You basically have two kinds of groups. One that keeps getting stuck in the past, stuck in the old energy of fear. The other group has either left those fears behind or are heading that way into the freedom of this new energy. When you keep talking about fear of being shot down, you're speaking from a materialistic basis. As if your body is all you are. Is that what this forums about? Don't you have to make a stand at some point by saying I'm not about violence and fear, I stand for something much higher. Did Jesus own a weapon? Did Gandi own a weapon? Buddha? Did any of the so-called 'enlightened' people you've evee heard of have any need or use for an instrument of murder? My point is that the more awake you become the more you leave behind things that hold you back in your evolution.

[Arrowwind]

Fact Check. Stats Compare UK to USA regarding guns and crime overall.. Its an eye opener, If you were thinking of moving to UK because it might be safer think again. Saftey resides in the hearts of a nations citizens and USA wins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4PMdUOe0FU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4PMdUOe0FU)

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Do you guys understand how fearful you sound when you talk about arming yourselves against your own government? This is not a criticism(though some of you will take it that way anyways) or an indictment, it's an observation. I sincerely mean this from LOVE of all of you! Set aside your fear.

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Do you understand how foolish you sound not to arm yourself against your government. You are no student of history. I sincerley mean this from LOVE for all of you who think this way. Set aside your foolishness.

[Hervé]

From http://www.henrymakow.com/:


Russians Learned "Gun Control" Lesson
January 10, 2013

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"Moscow fell to the Bolsheviks not from a lack of weapons to defend it, but from the lying guile of the Reds."


Russian warns Americans not to fall for this trick again.

"Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step to their ideology."

by Stanislav Mishin
"Russian says: Americans Never Give Up Your Guns" (slightly abridged)
(Pravda.ru (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/))

These days, there are few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA, but at least so far, one thing remains: the right to bear arms and use deadly force to defend one's self and possessions.

This will probably come as a total shock to most of my Western readers, but at one point, Russia was one of the most heavily armed societies on earth. This well armed population was what allowed the various White factions to rise up, no matter how disorganized politically and militarily they were in 1918 and wage a savage civil war against the Reds.

It should be noted that many of these armies were armed peasants, villagers, farmers and merchants, protecting their own. If it had not been for Washington's [i.e. Illuminati Jewish bankers] clandestine support of and for the Reds, history would have gone quite differently.

Moscow fell, for example, not from a lack of weapons to defend it, but from the lying guile of the Reds. Ten thousand Reds took Moscow and were opposed only by some few hundreds of officer cadets and their instructors.

Even then the battle was fierce and losses high. However, in the city alone, at that time, lived over 30,000 military officers (both active and retired), all with their own issued weapons and ammunition, plus tens of thousands of other citizens who were armed.

The Soviets promised to leave them all alone if they did not intervene. They did not and for that were asked afterwards to come register themselves and their weapons: where they were promptly shot.

Of course being savages, murderers and liars does not mean being stupid and the Reds learned from their Civil War experience. One of the first things they did was to disarm the population.

From that point, mass repression, mass arrests, mass deportations, mass murder, mass starvation were all a safe game for the powers that were. The worst they had to fear was a pitchfork in the guts or a knife in the back or the occasional hunting rifle. Not much for soldiers.

To this day, with the Soviet Union now dead 21 years, with a whole generation born and raised to adulthood without the USSR, we are still denied our basic and traditional rights to self defense.

Why? We are told that everyone would just start shooting each other and crime would be everywhere....but criminals are still armed and still murdering and too often, especially in the far regions, those criminals wear the uniforms of the police. The fact that everyone would start shooting is also laughable when statistics are examined.

http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/guncontrol.jpegCONCLUSION

No it is about power and a total power over the people. There is a lot of desire to bad mouth the Tsar, particularly by the Communists, who claim he was a tyrant, and yet under him we were armed and under the progressives disarmed.

Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step to their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.

So, do not fall for the false promises and do not extinguish the light that is left to allow humanity a measure of self respect.

[Arrowwind]

Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step to their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.

So, do not fall for the false promises and do not extinguish the light that is left to allow humanity a measure of self respect.


Unfortunately the leftist liberals in the USA do not know that they are controlled by Elitist Bankers who are essentially fascist in mindset. Fascists will do and say anything for thier cause, and douping many millons in the USA is what is happening... all done with false flag operations, propagada dished out my the bankers controlled media and many many lies.

People who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it.

Sane, logical and intelligent people learn from the mistakes of others,
and they know their history,
history, which has lost value in our educational system and is mostly
propaganda anyway.