How to Break the Backs of Corporations

[Arrowwind]

Many of us here think that corporations are a main component of the implementation of a very dark world order. Yet corporations need us to exist. They need our money. What can we do as individuals to break the backs of negative corporations.

Who are the negative corporations that need breaking?
How can we go about this in an effective manner?

Lets brainstorm!

[witchy1]

Thanks Arrowwind - I suggest removing your support - financial .........stop buying off them and get out of debt to them. Pay of your mortgage and credit cards if you have either. Be as self sufficient as you can.
Im sure there are many other things...........

[SnowyOwl]

Buying is granthing power to the producer. Buying is voting. Buying is being tributary.

[jackovesk]

Non-Compliance...:yes4:

Start educating yourself as to 'Why' this thread is so important...

Get to know the Govt./Corporate links...

i.e. This morning on ABC News Australia they were talking about the pending 'US Fiscal Cliff', painting the 'Corporate/MSM/Govt.' propaganda machine into fooling the general public into the thinking that no decision has been made between the Democrats & Reublicans...

Only then to 'Tell Us' that a 'Private Teleconference Meeting' had to be postponed between the...


President & CEO's of America's Largest Corporations...

What does that tell ya..?!

It's common term is 'Govt/Corporate Fascism'..!
1st it was the 'Bailouts'...


QE-1
QE-2
QE-3


Now the 'Fiscal Cliff'...:pound:

With them 'REPEATING EXACTLY THE SAME 'MANTRA of LIES'...:no:


"If we don't shore up support, we'll hit the 'Middle Class' with 'Tax-Hikes' (What a Joke)..!

Its like bloody 'Ground-Hog Day' for those of us paying attention...:faint:

PS - News for 'some' of you...

The decision was made Long-Long Ago, they are just now getting around to telling us all again & again & again...:yes4:

You see, if you don't start to 'Educate Yourself' on how the 'System' operates, how in hell do you hope to stop it..???

PSS -

Ron Paul On The Fiscal Cliff: “We Have Passed The Point Of No Return”

Zero Hedge
December 30, 2012

In a little under three minutes, Ron Paul explains to a somewhat nonplussed CNBC anchor just how ridiculous the charade that is occurring in D.C. actually is.

This succinct spin-free clip should be required viewing for each and every asset-manager, talking-head, propagandist, and mom-and-pop who are viewing the last-minute idiocy of the ‘fiscal cliff’ debacle with some hope that things will be different this time.

“We have passed the point of no return where we can actually get our house back in order,” Paul begins, adding that “they pretend they are fighting up there, but they really aren’t. They are arguing over power, spin, who looks good, who looks bad; all trying to preserve the system where they can spend what they want, take care of their friends and print money when they need it.” With social safety nets available to rich and poor, there is no impetus for change and “the country loses,” but Paul concludes, the markets are starting to say “there is a limit to this.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlD189IZo1w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlD189IZo1w

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul-on-the-fiscal-cliff-we-have-passed-the-point-of-no-return.html

PSSS - Cmon (WORLD) Wake the 'F' Up..!!!

[Arrowwind]

One thing that has had a lot of concern to me it that the supreme court ruled that corporations are individuals and they can send as much money as they want to buy candidates making our votes more than worthless, but an insult to even particpate anymore.

Is non compliance in voting the answer? or what?
petitions to the white house?
to congress to the senate?

putting our money where our mouth is is certainly a good way. and retracting money from those who would control us and engage in slave labor of all the various sorts that exists these days.

gonna watch that video as soon as Im done here with George Carlin... I swear, carlin is really obscene... and so right on.

[Tesseract]

Push for socialist representation, corporations hate socialists for a reason. Fat chance of success in the USA though I admit..

[Arrowwind]

a few weeks ago there was a facebook protest against general mills for using gmo products in their cheerios. Their facebook sites were inundated with comments regarding their crappy food and informing about the gmo issue.

[Dennis Leahy]

The recognition that international bankers (tip-top of the pyramid) and large corporations (top of the pyramid) are the control structure is the premise upon which The Reset Button document is written.

Occupy Oakland created a one-day strike. Someone in Occupy called for a "bank transfer day" (more than six months after the same idea was published in The Reset Button), and billions of dollars were transferred. So, people do realize that we can have a powerful effect on the corporations, but...

...it is impotent to have a one day strike (and only in one city.) Only a nationwide strike with no ending date has the power to force the change.

It is impotent to move money from banks without simultaneously divesting from corporations.

The strategy in The Reset Button assumes that a nationwide strike, divestment, and moving money from the banks would all occur simultaneously. We citizens have exponentially more power if these actions are taken simultaneously, not piecemeal.

The nationwide strike is the big "tool" (I don't like using the word "weapon", 'cause we're the good guys) that can provide leverage to get our demands met (and anything less than the demands listed in The Reset Button would be tragically underplaying our hand.) Our demands would put us in charge of our own governance.

The Reset Button remains the only serious attempt to make a transformative change. All actions (protest, petitions, voting, not voting) by activists are falling on deaf ears, and are all based on the premise that those in power will change themselves (and create citizen-centric and eco-centric laws and policy) - going against the agenda of the corporatists that put them in power. They will not. They will never. They must be forced to change the election laws, and the only leverage strong enough is a nationwide strike and simultaneous divestment.

Dennis

[witchy1]

Yes Dennis I agree. The issue for us is - how do we get everyone to unite.

[gripreaper]

A few years ago now, I stopped playing.

I quit making my credit card payments, a PLC payment, and my insurance. I challenged the debt under the FDCPA, by requesting the four cornerstones of contract law, which are: Full disclosure, meeting of the minds, exchange of consideration, and BOTH wet ink signatures. They could provide none of the above. I challenged their authority, their claim as creditors and how they are injured, by requesting the 1099OID original issue, the original deposit receipts, the CUSIP#, and the accounting based on first hand knowledge. The debt went away. I don't file anything or sign anything anymore.

Since then, I have taken the Federal Reserve Notes I acquire by trading my energy each day, which I used to use to service debt, and put them into long term storage foods, resources for my own provisions, and I buy local from local vendors, even if I have to pay more. I do not spend money at any big box stores, or participate in any of their holiday consumer rituals. I have no bank account and pay cash for everything.

If I could get off the electric and oil grids, I would. I would pay 10K for a device which would power my home, in an instant. I am looking into a hydrogen booster for my vehicle this year. I am researching and keeping my finger on the pulse of any emerging technology which could facilitate more freedom and sovereignty.

I have studied extensively into the patriot movements and sovereignty movements in the last few years, and continue to do so. Although I have not rescinded all my adhesion contracts, or declared myself separate from the 14th amendment corporate citizenship, I am ready to do so as tyranny closes in.

I speak my truth as clear as possible, honoring and respecting others and their journey to their own truths. I support my local community. I drink pure water, eat raw organic foods, and avoid the toxicity I am surrounded with as much as possible. I detox on a regular basis. I am incorporating into my protocol this year the Dr Schuessler mineral cell salts, to enliven the master pineal gland, so that the oils will stimulate the other glands, and awaken the 90% of junk DNA in my cerebrum, which is not junk. I would also like to develop the philosophers stone as outlined in "The Book of Aquarius"

I freely share what I know to be true here at Avalon, and will continue to do so, while keeping my mouth shut when I am not able to add value, or edify the topic at hand. I will inject humor wherever I can.

This is my new years manifesto, if you will, or my resolution. Happy New year to all here at Avalon, and may you too move away from the corporatocracy and the slave control system as much as possible this year.

[Arrowwind]

thank you for all these great replies that are potential solutions to what we are contending with.

Dennis... can you provide info on the reset button... is it a book? what is it exactly and how can I view it?

Gripreaper.... thank you for sharing your personal journey. You are freer than I. I am trying to do what you are doing and am having some success in different areas., other areas still need work

I just feel that no matter what I do it isn't enough, will never be enough. As Dennis says it takes a mass movement to affect change. How to get everyone to play is the issue.

Does everyone think that all corporations must be boycotted? Are some good? If so which ones... lets make a list of good guys and bad guys.
Certainly Walmart is on my list. But many seem convoluted and confusing when you try to weigh the good with the bad. So much is at stake for so many people. For instance... homedepot.. I know several young men making their way through college because of homedepot and their education program. I have a neice who has worked her way up to store management without a college education. We get 10 to 15 percent off of everything becasue my husband is a vet. We are building the 10% off house right now. I dont know about homedepot in detail all their business practices but surely all corporations are not bad.

I do realize that some companies are environmentally sound, and are endeavoring to do right... on the other hand I dont want to support environmental organizations or businesses that will work to move agenda 21 forward.

[witchy1]

Thank you Gripreaper - amazing:hail:

[ThePythonicCow]

Dennis... can you provide info on the reset button... is it a book? what is it exactly and how can I view it?

Here: The Reset Button 2012 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44014-The-Reset-Button-2012)

[Arrowwind]

The recognition that international bankers (tip-top of the pyramid) and large corporations (top of the pyramid) are the control structure is the premise upon which The Reset Button document is written.






Dennis... so you wrote the Reset Button document?
I'm really impressed.


Did you get significant signatures? has it been submitted to anyone?

I notice that it was written last spring or so? Does it need updating?

Have you put it on the petitions list at us.gov? here: at this address https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/

there is also another petitions program where it can go. I'll have to look around for it.

Its late here. I will read it tomorrow

and dang, I see another day coming where I get nothing constructive done

but dancing in my head here on the forum

[witchy1]

Thanks Paul. I signed it Dennis - says Im a supporter not a signer like everyone else - perhaps because Im not a local. (got the email and clicked)

[Arrowwind]

Dennis, I recommend that you change the name to "TheResetButton2012andBeyond"

[Dennis Leahy]

Grip, you are awesome. I may end up finding it to be true that a personal de-linking and off-gridding are the only workable steps I can take. But for now, I still hold the torch of hope for a mass movement... because:

1.) War, the war paradigm, war-for-profit, US imperialism, millions upon millions dead and injured, leaders murdered, countries infrastructure destroyed, countries taken over. None of this will ever change for the better without a mass movement. I cannot ever be "content" or "happy" or "at peace" while my country of birth (and allied nations) commits these atrocities.

2.) Pollution, environmental degradation, species extinction, poisonous farmland with dead soil, genetically modified organisms. None of this will ever change for the better without a mass movement - and there is nowhere on Earth we can run away to that is not affected. I cannot just live with this and save myself. It would be like having one canteen full of pure water, in the middle of a desert, with a group of thirsty people - and drinking it all by myself.

3.) Energy (benign, abundant, non-polluting) technology suppression. This will never change without a mass movement. Wade Frazier has made the creation of this mass movement his life's work. (His concept of a 'mass movement' is novel, but in the end, he knows that a mass movement is required to make any change in the energy paradigm.)

4.) Corporatocracy/fascism. (back to Arrowwind's topic) We know that corporations are at their legal roots sociopathic entities, and now we know what happens when we give sociopathic entities unbridled access to the government and to the environment and to the the work force of the least developed foreign nations (and its effect on the workforce of one's own nation): metastasis of power and control, unprecedented pollution, human rights violations, poverty, and even slavery.

I'll stop there. That list is big enough. One item (any one item) on that list is enough to tell me that I cannot isolate and do my part alone and in obscurity - I HAVE to try to rally others into a mass movement.

Ronnie Cummins (Organic Consumers Association) recently wrote an article and published at CommonDreams where he recognizes that single-issue activism and thousands of non-united activists are not getting the job done. The article (New Year’s Revolution: Connecting the Dots, Coming Together and Fighting Like Hell (http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/12/27-0)) focused mainly on climate, but Ronnie mentions other issues as well. The article does not go far enough - but it is a start. One critical thing not mentioned is the fact that activists are lost somewhere in the distant past in thinking that a mass voice telling TPTB to "STOP!" will make them stop. As if millions of people, raising their voices in chorus, chanting "Stop Corporate Greed!" is going to stop corporate greed. We have to be a lot smarter than that.

Delusions of the power of protest:
I think that a lot of people believe that protesting hippies ended the Vietnam war, which is a delusion of grandeur, and so believe a similar shouting match will change all of our current problems. If one looks honestly at a graph of growth of the "military industrial complex", then it becomes clear that ending any particular war is meaningless without ending the war paradigm. Besides, shouting at politicians who were hand-picked and sponsored by the Financial Elite because they believe in corporatocracy and agree to uphold and further the agenda of corporatocracy is worse than worthless - it wastes our valuable mass energy and fosters discouragement and dejection.

In a way, Gripreaper and I are saying the same thing: rule yourself. However, in addition to becoming as self-sustaining and community-sustaining as possible (the bottom-up approach), I feel we as a society must take the additional steps to rule ourselves from the top down too - and the only way to do that wisely and healthfully is to replace ALL of the minions of corporatocracy with ordinary citizens that are not part of the corporatocracy. Self-governance, especially top-down, will not just happen - TPTB have designed the system to maintain their power (which is the antithesis of self-governance by citizens.) It cannot be disassembled piecemeal nor can a majority of citizen-centric candidates win office in the current system.




The recognition that international bankers (tip-top of the pyramid) and large corporations (top of the pyramid) are the control structure is the premise upon which The Reset Button document is written.







Dennis... so you wrote the Reset Button document?
I'm really impressed.


Did you get significant signatures? has it been submitted to anyone?

I notice that it was written last spring or so? Does it need updating?

Have you put it on the petitions list at us.gov? ...


Hi Arrowwind,

I compiled and paraphrased and edited and added - lots of people "wrote" it. When first presented, it was anonymous down to the last line, where I signed-on as the first supporter. A respected activist friend let me know that it would be more effective if the (main) author/compiler was introduced at the beginning - people can relate more to a person than a (nearly) anonymous manifesto and call for a movement.

In 2011, it was simply presented, and there was no way to know how many had read it (other than website stats that showed it had been downloaded a few thousand times) or supported it. So, I was encouraged by an activist to add a signature portion to the website - "to allow people to become invested in the concepts" and show support. So, I scrapped the first website and started over in 2012, adding that functionality and broadening the site to expose more of the concepts in the document (especially for those too lazy to read the whole thing or even the first half of it. A site visitor can now get the gist of the goal, plan, and strategy without reading the document.)

Signing The Reset Button document is publicly supporting this non-violent plan to self-governance - more like signing the Declaration of Independence than just signing a petition. The number of signatures is extremely low - a testament to my inability as an activist. I also miscalculated/misunderstood the current reality of the percentage of people that are free thinkers versus being followers. (I thought this could happen without being led by "name brand" activists. I now understand that many of the current well-known activists will have to be on-board for this to happen.

I got some useful feedback (one of whom was rsviglio, here at Avalon), that The Reset Button document was written in such a way that someone might agree with a lot - but not all - and feel like they had to reject it. The Reset Button underwent a large revision, breaking the overall scope into what were called "Phases." The bottom line being that Phase I is the movement to self-governance, and Phase II contains specifics that activists are looking for in specific areas.

It is still problematic that some see the word "phase" and leap to the (logical) conclusion that one will be accomplished and then the next. The problem is, that what is written as "Phase II" will never meet everyone's approval - the same everyone that knows that Phase I is right and we need self-governance to accomplish any real, positive changes. Another revision of the document is in the works, and that will eliminate the word "phase" - and show very clearly that what is now listed as "Phase II" is simply a list of topics (with essays) that candidates will be mandated to address (so we actually know where candidates stand on these issues.)


It is not a petition. Petitions are designed to get someone else to do something. This is a declaration, an expository, a manifesto, a concrete goal, and lays out the specifics of the plan and the strategy to accomplish the plan and achieve the goal.

Yes, in 2011, there was time to make it happen before the 2012 elections. Now that it is (in a few hours from when I write this) 2013, some name change will need to be implemented... again. (Not good for continuity.)

Witchy1, thanks for signing! And yes, US citizens are considered "signers" and non-US citizens are considered as "supporters." I hope something like this is written in Canada, and in Australia, and in the UK - because the globalist Cabal is using these countries as primary organizational and staging areas. It will have to be specific to each country, to cleverly use the existing laws of the country to force a change to citizen-centric governance.

Thanks!

Dennis

[Arrowwind]

Dennis, thank you for the replies...
Time today is condensing pretty quickly and I will have to put off until tomorrow my thoughts.
As usual, I will return... my husband says like a bad penny... I keep turning up....( perhaps when some wish I would go away).

I do think that the reset button could move further with some further developed strategy.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I know most everyone wishes to find a solution within the framework of our current system. No one wants to loose their place in the pecking order - they just want those above them removed, as if they, themselves personally, had nothing to do with the problem and should therefore not have to suffer. We wish to inflict suffering, perhaps not only financially, upon those we feel abused their power - in a system that rewards such abuses with accolades and further lucrative insider deals.

Devise whatever fix you want, it will not work. It cannot because the system and its framework stratifies its constituents into haves and have nots. The system rides upon the misfortunes of the least of its members. This cannot be changed directly because the system finds its balance by first defining its lowest tolerated living standard. This situation can only be mitigated by indirect funding so as not to disturb the delicate balance of a free market system - which is anything but free.

Never before in human history has their been such a defining moment with such radical potential for all people, rich or poor. I direct you to Wade Frazier's site for the meat of the issue. If you want change for the better it is best to TRY SOMETHING NEW. Otherwise all you get is more of the same. It is not the people who are running the show that is the problem, per se, it is the show itself!

There are hidden technologies that are clearly pointed to in our current understanding of scientific theory that you and I are not allowed to investigate, let alone create a working model. For national security reasons they are kept locked away from public scrutiny - or so the official excuse goes. In fact they are secreted away and their secrecy is actively and aggressively safegaurded because of the gargantuan transformation they would have
on every facet of society.

These technologies would for the first time in human history truly free mankind from its scarcity-based proclivities. Gone would be starvation, war, financial tyranny, oppression and the so-called "work ethic". And that would only be for starters. Quite literally, the stars would be our limits - and beyond. There is no telling what trajectory we would follow using current scarcity paradigm models as indicators of future trends. With abundance - anything is possible.

So I urge all who consider change to understand the depth of the change possible here, today. Perhaps we can change the financial structure and hopefully continue on in this current paradigm without too much pain (do you really believe this?). Or we can implement true, fair and lasting change beneficial to all and erradicate the notion of capitalizing on anything ever again.

Insist that zero-point energy technologies, energy from the vacuum, and related science such as scalar wave radiation be examined and thoroughly investigated - PUBLICLY. Understand that these technologies already exist and are already fully exploited in secret. Know that there is another form of science and philosophy, already fleshed out and viable, that changes everything - EVERYTHING!

Most of all remember to dream of the potential of FE. It really makes science fiction look lame - and it is real - and could be our reality, in our lifetimes. Free energy from the vacuum frees mankind from most of the drudgery of daily life, freeing man to explore the limits of creativity, if there are any.

Free energy, now!

[Arrowwind]

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[eaglespirit]

Thank You Arrowwind and All!
...and this applies intensely now, imho...in ALL facets of change needed and coming on strong:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53702-Just-in-from-Duncan-for-those-who-follow-his-work.-2013-...-A-New-Year-or-a-Nightmare-...pt-1&p=608479&viewfull=1#post608479

[Dennis Leahy]

Hi Ernie,


I know most everyone wishes to find a solution within the framework of our current system.I agree it cannot be done within the framework (voting, petitions, lawsuits, protest.) It appears most activists do not know or believe this yet.



No one wants to loose their place in the pecking order - they just want those above them removed, as if they, themselves personally, had nothing to do with the problem and should therefore not have to suffer. We wish to inflict suffering, perhaps not only financially, upon those we feel abused their power We all certainly are complicit. Lazy. Ignorant. All to a degree, but yes it is true that our current situation could not have happened without our assistance. However, at this point I believe we need to keep our focus on a plan and strategy out of this situation - and promise ourselves to revisit this critical piece of our history - so that we never allow it to happen again.


Devise whatever fix you want, it will not work.


Never before in human history has their been such a defining moment with such radical potential for all people, rich or poor. I direct you to Wade Frazier's site for the meat of the issue. If you want change for the better it is best to TRY SOMETHING NEW.

Free energy, now!The Reset Button is something new. It leverages our greatest value to mega-corporate America (labor and compliance), plus pulling the linchpin from the J.I.T. manufacturing and distribution systems - in effect crippling the giant as much as we are capable. This, in itself, as a "punishment" would be an extremely weak move, but coupled with the demand for one law and one amendment (the keys to self-governance), it would be the most powerful strategy we are capable of unleashing. Heads of corporations are so well insulated that nothing we the mass of citizens can do can affect their personal lives, but if they want to save their corporate empires, they will be forced to comply with our demand.

There is more detail (much more) in The Reset Button document, but our only pathway to enact "Election Reform" (electoral transformation) is by engaging in (economic and labor) battle with the corporate sponsors of the [s]elected officials.

We cannot ask those in power for free energy. We cannot demand it. Well, we can, but only if we want to hear their laughter.

In every process there are steps; in every journey there is a very first step. Going after free energy - while monsters rule - is the same as going after universal health care, the end of the war paradigm, the end of poverty, the end of GMOs... or any other major change. "They" won't give it to us; we must give it to ourselves - and to do that, we must control our own governance. Activists and those passionate about change must learn not to hack at branches but rather at the root.

Step one is gaining control over governance. <------ there is the laser focus that Ronnie Cummins calls for in his recent essay.

Dennis

[gripreaper]

In a way, Gripreaper and I are saying the same thing: rule yourself. However, in addition to becoming as self-sustaining and community-sustaining as possible (the bottom-up approach), I feel we as a society must take the additional steps to rule ourselves from the top down too - and the only way to do that wisely and healthfully is to replace ALL of the minions of corporatocracy with ordinary citizens that are not part of the corporatocracy.
Dennis

Totally agree with you Dennis, about both the bottom up and top down approaches need to be implemented in tandem. We've talked about this before. The reason I emphasize the bottom up approach, is because; Unless and until we get our own fiscal houses in order, we will not have the strength to sustain the top down approach, should it become necessary to dismantle the current infrastructure to do so.

I realize your Reset Button is a peaceful solution, which requires a mass awakening and a collective effort to unseat the psychopaths and replace them with empathic souls. I'm all for it.

[Lancelot]

Self sufficiency and local co-operatives are the key here.
The less we consume from big corporations and the more we can produce locally takes the power away from the big guys.

[ghostrider]

pick one corporation, find out everthing they have controlling shares of stock in, and use the power of your dollars... 8 billion people on the planet could bankrupt a corporation very easy... with a unified effort... make them dip into their savings ha ha ...

[Arrowwind]

I'll stop there. That list is big enough. One item (any one item) on that list is enough to tell me that I cannot isolate and do my part alone and in obscurity - I HAVE to try to rally others into a mass movement.


Ok. spent my morning reading the Reset Button.
I love it! It's just about perfect.

But getting people to just agree that this is what needs to be done is not enough. We need to create a movement that will put this in petition form before the US governement. This endeavor may take some years. The petition may have to be resubmitted numerous times... until most of the nation has read it and is on board. It would be a huge endeavor for sure. But so much work has already been put into it why stop now? and why not put it in a form that takes it directly to our government?

Here are a couple of ideas for moving the Reset Button forward.

Prepare the material into petition form
Select a Launch Date with various Avelon or other folks selected to handle various networking aspects

Take document one and do some editing to change the date to current
and form it into a petition.
provide link to the full document (that does have updated dates to make it current)

Place the petition on various websites with a link to send people to the US gov. peition website where it can be signed and submitted to the white house when it has received the requried 25,000 signatures within one month. When it has received these signatures a white house review has been promised.

Stratigically select websites to host the petition with the link to the signing at the gov. website
Ask Bill Ryan to help us get it to more promenent websites though his connections - if he be willing


Ideal websites would be:
Dr Mercola
Natural News
Alex Jones
Mother Jones
Mother Earth
Coast to Coast
Patrick Timpones One Radio Network
Find more conservative networks to assist
like perhaps Dave Ramsey
Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, etc
Present to all congressmen so they are forwarned, all senators
to all known political parties
Presented to all State senates so they are aware
Any and every forum we can think of with noted encourgament to move it forward to other sites
Get all members (if they be willing) on Avelon to place it on their facebook page and
invite Avelon guests to do the same
Create a facebook page for it.
Placed in comment areas repeatedly on CNN news, MSNBC, The Young Turks, and all media outlets that
offer places to put comments... and do this repeatedly. 3 or 4 people could be assigned to this task.

The one paragraph placed on these sites should be uniform, concise and motivational enough to get
people to click on the link that will take them to the RESET BUTTON petition on this gov page: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/ (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/)
On this page phase one is written into petition form. Phase two will be noted as the further option for consideration but is not part of the petition... the whole goal is to create an ammendment where corporations are thrown out of the voting system and regular people are elected with a specific mandate to solve specific problems. But give the potential petitioner signers to see the whole agenda.

It seems to me that in order for this RESET to occur it must be petitioned for an ammendment and it must be voted on. No? How else on gods good earth could it occur witout burning down the capitol? and we absolutley dont want that!

I have no doubt that there are a multitude of other possibilites yet to be revealed by folks here.

[WhiteFeather]

If i may here......Just this thread alone is creating a consciousness towards the universal field concerning its topic. Our Intent to the universe is captivating in itself. We are sending out the signals, one frequency at a time. As we are all energy. The more frequencys released the more attention will be heard. I do firmly believe this compassionate universe is listening to our intent. The universe doesnt lie. And the symphony is being performed. Some say the human thoughts are incredible and can create magik and results. Be careful what you wish for. As our dreams could become our reality. My intentions have been for the betterment of this planet. This is my signal being sent out. Free Energy to be revealed. Alternative medicine to be exposed. And people to respect nature and one another. I envision this. Someday my dreams will become a reality. Its not too far away. I can taste it. Care to join me in my dreams or thoughts. ;)

We are all related......

W.f.

[Arrowwind]

Yes, I think most of us feel that way here, but what do you think about the reset button, Whitefeather?

[WhiteFeather]

The reset button idea impresses me. Dennis has some great insight here. Although to some it may seem impossible to break down the infrastructure that strengthened it by greed, corruption and lobbyism poisons. I think it is possible to have rome fall once again. The declaration of independence is the key here.....for the people by the people. How do we accomplish this? Awareness. Once it becomes aware to the masses. Then maybe we can all see our corrupted society through a halographic state. And the tilted game will become level. Im not sure if they can hide behind these false agendas much longer. Its starting to become revealed and exposed. The gorilla in the corner cannot hide much longer. Especially if hes defecating in the room and on himself. People are starting to see and smell the foul odor.

[Deega]

Thanks Arrowwind, great Tread, the optimal challenge that members here may foment to facilitate small changes within corporations, government for the betterment of all.

First, we are in a systemic society were all is planned, organized, controled, and changed in interactions (not always along official guidelines (black economy, Mafia, others)) with all the stakeholders (consumers, shareholder, producers, banks, etc). Now if we ''Break the Backs of Corporations'', we need to have a plan such that all of us won't suffer less.

As we know, we are caught up by indebtness, a family is caught up pretty early in their life such that the members of a family are not able to contribute to a continuous strike, or don't buy certain products or some other presssure actions.

So my guess is that maybe we should start by planning what actions would bring changes within corporations, government such that it would bring a World Objective that Nature is sacred, that People are sacred, that Water, Air are sacred and that corporations, governments should act accordingly.

How may we go about doing this, I think Arrowwind that your idea of a petition has it' values, but will it bring in what we think should be accomplished?, only time will tell, and who would be responsible to get it done and do the groundwork on this? Interesting questions!

Well Arrowwind, I shared some ideas on the matter.

[Arrowwind]

There is so much to accomplish that it can be overwhelming. We should not let the immensity of the issues take us down.

A methodical approach is required and taking back the power of the vote, our vote, is called for above and beyond all else.

We must have a starting point and I think Dennis has created that with the RESET BUTTON, and certainly the immensity of it all did not take him down.

For those who have not read the documents yet here is the link:
http://www.resetbutton2012.org/

and please go through this thread if you are picking up in the middle so that we maintain focus. The reset button may not be the only idea we can develop.

It is essential that it (The RESET BUTTON) be brought to the forefront though a massive compaign... amongst all the ideas I presented for bringing it forward none will surpase putting it up for petition on a government site, IMHO.

If we could gather together a few savoy and even not so savy computer and internet useers we could bust this wide open in multifaceted directions across the blogosphere, the forum networks, into magazines and even on to mainstream media regardless of their wishes. It will take some time, but I do think, minimal cash, beings that the internet is still free.

I suggest that people start collecting up in thier minds or on their PCs links to sites than can and will help promote this. Every site is a potential. Every link a link to a person who will say YES!

and Im still waiting to hear from Dennis on this... we need his brilliance and as you can see I am ready to go, but is he?
Im hoping he is recovering well from New Year's celebrations.

[gripreaper]

Capital, or public debt instruments, or "promises to pay" enter commerce through the Federally chartered Federal Reserve System, and interest is to be paid to this private cartel on all new "promises to pay". From there, the velocity and movement of these debt instruments is "clipped" with taxes and fees, and pieces are removed from commerce, adding more pressure to the energy of exchange. Governments are totally complicit in this fraud.

Now, slow down the entrance of these instruments into commerce, while at the same time slowing down the velocity of the remaining instruments, and you have a ready made consolidation of power right into the hands of the 1/10th of 1% at the top.

Conversely, even while massive amounts of promises to pay are entering commerce and their appears to be enough in circulation, and the velocity is moving fairly fast, the upstream flow into the 1/10th of 1% is somewhere around 80%, and the increase in GDP cannot keep up. Even as we attempt to service this debt through value added to the economy, the energy of this is being siphoned off much quicker than we can overcome it.

Even so, we continue to embrace a culture of competition, capitalism, imperialism, narcissism, and raping and pillaging our planet to service this debt. Whether we are being put into debt during expansion, or being pushed into bankruptcy through contraction, the banksters win and we lose. The game is rigged and cannot be fixed.

The introduction of the petrodollar about 70 years ago, which just so happens to coincide with the first Bilderberger meeting, which just happens to coincide with the beginning of the underground economy and black ops projects, which just happens to coincide with Roswell and other such anomalies, coincidentally, this petrodollar has completely siphoned off all of the resources and natural assets of this planet, leaving nothing but debt and worthless paper in it's wake. The whole world is tied to this worthless paper.

All of the power of the corporations is held by the same cartel who hold the purse strings, all the good land, all the media, and all of the natural resources and precious metals. They own all governments (except for two more rogue countries who are under pressure) and the greatest global paid mercenary military imperialist bully force on the planet, the US military. They feed us smokescreens like "nationalism" and "representative government" and "freedom" and "liberty" and "sovereignty" when if fact, they have no such notions in their worldview. That's just for us to give us the allusion that we are free, when in fact, we are inches away from a fully functioning global fascist oligarchical dictatorship like this planet has not seen in 26,000 years since the fall of Atlantis.

If we view our world as nation states, with representative government, sound currencies, unbiased media, asset ownership, stock ownership in the wheels of production, or any other such filters from which to create a context, then we are just as they think we are, a bunch of stupid sheep who need to be led around on their plantation as slaves.

What we do have, as many here at Avalon are aware of, is the ability to go within and be at our core with our own truth, and bring it forward in whatever way we can. We can take the "promises to pay" we are given to pass through commerce, and decide which direction we will send them, and through who. Even though ownership is a fallacy, we can exchange those debt instrument for some tangible items to at least give ourselves some degree of distance from being a fully indentured slave, to at least give us some space to at least contemplate the deeper energetic constructs holding the slave matrix in place.

How else will we be able to bring enough energy to bear, in order to change the outcome? If I am starving, or working my ass off every day to service debt and pay my bills, or I am too tired to do anything, and cannot take the time to detox, meditate, grow my cells in my cerebrum (higher mind) and contemplate how I might contribute to a new paradigm based on entirely new concepts, then how will I be able to bring my A game to the table?

This new year can definitely be a pivotal year, and my resolve has been solidified with the blatant and arrogant display of ritual child sacrifice put out into the collective right before Christmas, and the resultant vamping of the collective energy. The Archon's are pulling out all the stops, could care less if they are no longer covert, are blatantly overt, and could care less about the planet, it's inhabitants, or the state of any such notions we empathic souls hold reverent.

It is incumbent upon us who are aware and awake, who understand how the matrix of energy works, have the wherewithal to effect an outcome other than the one the Archons have planned for us, to set up the catalyst and the inertia to move the initial energy in the direction we want it to go. Once we get some inertia going, which I think we have, we have the power to bring in a new paradigm.

I just don't buy that the "jig is up" and the Archon's won. It's never over till it's over, even if that means this incarnation of mine is terminated or somehow ends, it's just one and it's just one form in a universe of form and formlessness. It's just never over until we return to wholeness and are "at one" once again.

[Arrowwind]

I just don't buy that the "jig is up" and the Archon's won. It's never over till it's over, even if that means this incarnation of mine is terminated or somehow ends, it's just one and it's just one form in a universe of form and formlessness. It's just never over until we return to wholeness and are "at one" once again.

I sure like the way you put words together. Keep it up gripreaper!

I agree with all that you have said. Are you of the opinion that we are still in the informative stage? When do we shift gears into action, making the dream of freedom a reality?

What do you think of the RESET BUTTON?

What initial move could free us up the most, enlighten the most people do you think? I view Occupy Wall Street as a cooped event that has no real direction., although it did serve to awaken some. .. and to annoy and frustrate others.. Clearly it showed us that the police will not tolerate that system of protest much longer.

[Arrowwind]

Thanks Arrowwind, great Tread, the optimal challenge that members here may foment to facilitate small changes within corporations, government for the betterment of all.

As we know, we are caught up by indebtness, a family is caught up pretty early in their life such that the members of a family are not able to contribute to a continuous strike, or don't buy certain products or some other presssure actions.

So my guess is that maybe we should start by planning what actions would bring changes within corporations, government such that it would bring a World Objective that Nature is sacred, that People are sacred, that Water, Air are sacred and that corporations, governments should act accordingly.

How may we go about doing this, I think Arrowwind that your idea of a petition has it' values, but will it bring in what we think should be accomplished?, only time will tell, and who would be responsible to get it done and do the groundwork on this? Interesting questions!

Well Arrowwind, I shared some ideas on the matter.

The debts that people suffer to satiate the pigs at the top of the 1% does affect the psyche and prevent people from making a move. It is very difficult if you are responsible for children and paying for some kind of education that will keep your children off the streets. The fear is immense and it holds many back from doing what needs to be done. But if the ideologies of freedom continue to move forward, and a call for real government by the people for the people continues I believe things could come to a head and that change will come.

We must develop a form of resistence that does not put us in jail or concentration camps. We will never be free if we are in prison... hey, a real no brainer there.

[gripreaper]

What do you think of the RESET BUTTON?

It has merit, based on certain parameters:

It is a first step, one which can be easily grasped by the collective within the context of the current paradigm. Like Dennis has so eloquently stated, we need to start somewhere which can bring some pressure to bear on the narcissism which has engulfed this planet. The only thing a narcissist understands is their own personal aggrandizement, and that is where we need to hit them, right in their own pocketbook.

They need our participation in order for the corporatocracy to succeed. We buy their products and work in their slave machine. To extricate ourselves as much as possible, to continue to speak our truth to all we come in contact with, severs this participation and expands it's scope.

Otherwise we will have to send in Fulford's ninja's, or Drake to take out these elite, or get our ET friends to do it (just being facetious)

[Ernie Nemeth]

Very quickly, I never meant my previous post to be considered an attack on The Reset Button, which is a good idea and a great place to start.

I was trying to add a larger dimension, or perhaps a direction to the endeavor. Sort of like a guiding star of what's possible. We already know what's at stake...

We might not know what is possible if we are successful, and wring our hands at the prospect of voting all our leaders out of office at the same time.

They could cause a lot of havoc on the way out.

I was trying to put emphasis on the stakes, on why it is worth effecting change regardless of the short-term ramifications.

Also, I guess I failed to recognize where we went from suggestions to ramping up The Reset Button strategy. Sorry, it wasn't mentioned in the op and I missed the fork in the convo.

[Arrowwind]

Good. Thanks for your opinion.

I just came across this article that lists dead beat corporations... probably not all of them though

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/09/460519/major-corporations-no-taxes-four-year/?mobile=nc

26 Major Corporations Paid No Corporate Income Tax For The Last Four Years, Despite Making Billions In Profits (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/09/460519/major-corporations-no-taxes-four-year/)

By Pat Garofalo (http://thinkprogress.org/author/pat-g/) on Apr 9, 2012 at 12:00 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/deadbeatcorporations.pngLast year, Citizens for Tax Justice found that 30 major corporations had made billions of dollars in profits while paying no federal income tax (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/11/03/360185/30-corporations-no-taxes/) between 2008 and 2010. Today, CTJ updated that report to reflect the 2011 tax bill of those 30 companies, and 26 of them have still managed to pay absolutely nothing (http://www.ctj.org/pdf/notax2012.pdf) over that four year period:

– 26 of the 30 companies continued to enjoy negative federal income tax rates. That means they still made more money after tax than before tax over the four years!
– Of the remaining four companies, three paid four year effective tax rates of less than 4 percent
(specifically, 0.2%, 2.0% and 3.8%). One company paid a 2008-11 tax rate of 10.9 percent.
– In total, 2008-11 federal income taxes for the 30 companies remained negative, despite $205 billion in pretax U.S. profits. Overall, they enjoyed an average effective federal income tax rate of –3.1 percent over the four years.
Amongst the 30 are corporate titans such as General Electric, Boeing, Verizon, and Mattel. The only four companies that slipped into positive tax territory were DTE Energy, Honeywell, Wells Fargo, and DuPont, with DuPont the only one that paid more than 4 percent (http://www.ctj.org/pdf/notax2012.pdf) over the four years.

Corporate taxes in the U.S., contrary to the constant protestations of conservatives (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/03/30/456005/reminder-corporate-taxes-very-low/), are at a 40 year low (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/02/03/418171/corporate-taxes-40-year-low/), with many of the most profitable companies paying nothing at all. CTJ noted that “had these 30 companies paid the full 35 percent corporate tax rate over the 2008-11 period, they would have paid $78.3 billion more in federal income taxes.” And this is not a problem that only afflicts the U.S., as the UK found out last week that online retailer Amazon made billions in sales in 2011, while paying nothing in corporate taxes (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/05/459188/amazon-uk-tax-dodging/).

and another:

The Bernie Sanders Ten, per release....

1) Exxon Mobil made $19 billion in profits in 2009. Exxon not only paid no federal income taxes, it actually received a $156 million rebate from the IRS, according to its SEC filings.

2) Bank of America received a $1.9 billion tax refund from the IRS last year, although it made $4.4 billion in profits and received a bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department of nearly $1 trillion.

3) Over the past five years, while General Electric made $26 billion in profits in the United States, it received a $4.1 billion refund from the IRS.

4) Chevron received a $19 million refund from the IRS last year after it made $10 billion in profits in 2009.

5) Boeing, which received a $30 billion contract from the Pentagon to build 179 airborne tankers, got a $124 million refund from the IRS last year.

6) Valero Energy, the 25th largest company in America with $68 billion in sales last year received a $157 million tax refund check from the IRS and, over the past three years, it received a $134 million tax break from the oil and gas manufacturing tax deduction.

7) Goldman Sachs in 2008 only paid 1.1 percent of its income in taxes even though it earned a profit of $2.3 billion and received an almost $800 billion from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury Department.

8) Citigroup last year made more than $4 billion in profits but paid no federal income taxes. It received a $2.5 trillion bailout from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury.

9) ConocoPhillips, the fifth largest oil company in the United States, made $16 billion in profits from 2007 through 2009, but received $451 million in tax breaks through the oil and gas manufacturing deduction.

10) Over the past five years, Carnival Cruise Lines made more than $11 billion in profits, but its federal income tax rate during those years was just 1.1 percent.

below, release from Sen. Sanders....
Tax Time? Not for Giant Corporations
Sanders Calls for Shared Sacrifice

BURLINGTON, Vt., March 27 - While hard working Americans fill out their income tax returns this tax season, General Electric and other giant profitable corporations are avoiding U.S. taxes altogether.

With Congress returning to Capitol Hill on Monday to debate steep spending cuts, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said the wealthiest Americans and most profitable corporations must do their share to help bring down our record-breaking deficit.

[Arrowwind]

And from Mother Jones:

10 Big Companies That Pay No Taxes (and Their Favorite Politicians)


http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/04/top-tax-dodging-companies-politicians

[Dennis Leahy]

Thanks for your energy, excitement, and encouragement, Arrowwind.

If I seem to repeat myself here, I apologise, as I'm not sure how well articulated some of the concepts are. The goal seems to be coming through loud and clear (a literal "government of the people, by the people, and for the people", composed of ordinary people elected by ordinary people.)

The plan appears to be coming through as well: one amendment, plus one law (legislation fully written out, in The Reset Button document) - these are what the ordinary citizens need to remove the Financial Elite's/Big Money's control over elections, and give ordinary citizens control over elections for the first time ever.

The strategy must not be articulated very well. A petition will not work. It will be ignored. This cannot be handled as a petition.

Every activist and activist organization makes this mistake: they assume citizens will never be in control, that Big Money and the representatives that they bought will always be in power. They present their demands just as if they are saying...


"You who are in power and always will be, we the people demand that you do this: ____________"That honestly seems to be the current template used by all activists. And, it's not working.

The brilliant writer Chris Hedges said that he believes the last trime politicians listened to public opinion/polls/petitions/protest was Nixon, about the Vietnam war, in the early 1970s. I personally believe Chris is incorrect about this; it's even worse than that. At best, the war was stopped a tiny bit earlier than they had originally planned - but that just meant the next armed conflict had to be started a bit earlier. That's how a war economy runs.

No one is listening to the voices of citizens - they simply ignore all citizen noise.

The strategy of The Reset Button circumvents the politicians, recognizing them as "hired guns", and goes instead directly at their sponsors.

That is a new strategy.

The mega-corporations, international banks, and a few oligarchs gave the politicians their positions. Literally. They used the organizations that they control (the D and R political parties), to pre-select individuals that had already bought-into the corporatocracy and would uphold and defend the agenda of the corporatocracy. It was really a brilliant move on the part of the Ultra-Rich, and it worked nearly 100% of the time (or a handful of citizen advocates may be allowed into the mix deliberately, so that we have a Bernie Sanders or a Ron Paul screaming for sanity and it acts as a pressure relief valve in society.)

The system (including the complete control of media/propaganda) makes it impossible for the minions of corporatocracy to ever be displaced by elections. The only people that can cause the system to be changed (mandating that only ordinary citizens be eligible to be elected) are the Financial Elite.

The only reason thay will do it is if forced. The only way to force them is in an economic war. A nationwide general strike is by far our most powerful weapon in an economic war. If the Financial Elite understand that they are on the brink of losing everything - losing their corporate empires due to a national strike that will not end until the one amendment and one law are passed - they will use their power to make it happen.

Grip is absolutely correct that people - ordinary citizens - need to be prepared to be able to withstand the economic battle. Early-on in The Reset Button, recommendations were made to plant a big organic garden, store, dry, and can a lot of food - and to connect with one another in our local communities.

Dennis

[Arrowwind]

Grip is absolutely correct that people - ordinary citizens - need to be prepared to be able to withstand the economic battle. Early-on in The Reset Button, recommendations were made to plant a big organic garden, store, dry, and can a lot of food - and to connect with one another in our local communities.

Dennis

Well I agree.
So how is it going?
Has anyone been forced into change yet? Are you finding that the RESET BUTTON is the talk of the town?
That millions are aware and preparing actively for the activation of the RESET BUTTON?

In the RESET BUTTON there is written the following:

Strategy:
The strategy starts with the creation of one law and one amendment, necessary to remove all of the mechanisms used by the Financial Elite to control US elections. The law and amendment create fair and honest elections and prevent money influence. Because corporations will fight to retain full control of elections, the corporate-controlled politicians will not want to pass this law and ratify this amendment. It will require US citizens shutting down the major corporations, to force the politicians to enact the law and amendment we need.

Has this proposed law been written in the RESET BUTTON? If it is I have missed it. Can you direct me to it?

[Arrowwind]

Never mind Dennis, I found it. I cant copy it off of a PDF file though. Id like to put specific paragraphs up here.
Essentially its Ammendment XXVIII so I guess I will go about typing it out

[Dennis Leahy]

Very quickly, I never meant my previous post to be considered an attack on The Reset Button, which is a good idea and a great place to start.

I was trying to add a larger dimension, or perhaps a direction to the endeavor. Sort of like a guiding star of what's possible. We already know what's at stake...

We might not know what is possible if we are successful, and wring our hands at the prospect of voting all our leaders out of office at the same time.

They could cause a lot of havoc on the way out.

I was trying to put emphasis on the stakes, on why it is worth effecting change regardless of the short-term ramifications.

Also, I guess I failed to recognize where we went from suggestions to ramping up The Reset Button strategy. Sorry, it wasn't mentioned in the op and I missed the fork in the convo.It sure did NOT feel like an attack to me, Ernie. Just a conversation. :~)

Arrowwind's topic is not The Reset Button, and I apologize for my passion gushing out of the container. I'll try not to hog the thread as others offer their ideas about what to do to "Break the Backs of Corporations."

I'm actually surprised, since I sent The Reset Button to some well-known activists, that some activist hasn't formulated an even better goal, plan and strategy - and made it known far and wide. All the activists I know seem content to (as Wade Frazier would say) hack at the branches rather than go after the root. I was very excited to see Ronnie Cummins (a big, well-known activist) publicly recognize that single-issue activism isn't working and that we need a united mass movement. I have asked him to take a look at The Reset Button. The two issues that are burning for Ronnie are organic food/anti-GMO and climate change. I think Ronnie sees that going directly at the politicians, asking them to fix things, won't work. Hopefully, he'll see the value of the first step in the process of actually getting into a position where we ordinary citizens with passion can make the changes that TPTB would never make.

Dennis

p.s. Arrowwind, you should be able to copy sections of the PDF.

[Arrowwind]

p.s. Arrowwind, you should be able to copy sections of the PDF.

Well I couldnt... and Im not to computer savoy but A sign kept coming up that said not permitted to copy.

anyway, I did type it and into a petition form, I changed very little as you will see when I put it up a little later this evening for review here.


Arrowwind's topic is not The Reset Button, and I apologize for my passion gushing out of the container.

Actually, it very much is. We need to take another stab and moving this out to the public.

Please understand Dennis that I do not believe that this petition would pass. I am using the government site to bring attention to the reset button to many people who would not find it on their own. If it did get legitmate attention and by some miracle pass... well I would eat my hat! and if you saw my hat you would understand that I am not too inclined to do that nor put myself in a position where I might be obligated to do so.

But zillions of people everyday go to this site and read and sign petitons. It is a way to move forward the RESET BUTTON.. that is how I see it. there is also another petition service I am aware of that can do the same work... I will have to go look for that one. Why not use the power of the government website to advance our reclaimation of our freedom?

Actually, a lot of activist are kind of dimwitted, IMHO... and this is why they did not latch onto the RESET BUTTON. So another direction must be enacted... and by who really, if not us? You have another idea?

This should no way lay on the virtual desk to collect dust.

[Dennis Leahy]

...So another direction must be enacted... and by who really, if not us? You have another idea?[/COLOR]

I have always believed it was going to be ordinary people - like you and me. I got discouraged when it didn't happen, and started doubting that there are enough awake ordinary citizens to make it known far and wide - and figured that I had miscalculated the percentage of people that are strictly followers.

If you have read the proposed amendment and the proposed law, you'll see that they go in tandem: just those items that NEED to be in an amendment are in the amendment (amendments are much more difficult to pass than laws), and all of the remaining provisions to create honest elections without the control of Big Money and the corporatocracy are in the proposed law. Neither one alone is enough - and proposing to pass one without even showing the other may make it appear that those proposing this as a solution don't really understand the problem. I recommend posting BOTH the law and the amendment for consideration in a package.

I emailed you. Let me know and I'll send DOC or ODT files of any or all of the document, since you cannot copy the PDF.

Dennis

[Arrowwind]

Actually, Dennis, I have done just fine. I will put it up in about one hour.

[Arrowwind]

Calling all thread particpants... forgive me is I missed your name, no slight intended


I have always believed it was going to be ordinary people - like you and me. I got discouraged when it didn't happen, and started doubting that there are enough awake ordinary citizens to make it known far and wide - and figured that I had miscalculated the percentage of people that are strictly followers.


Buying is granthing power to the producer. Buying is voting. Buying is being tributary.


Non-Compliance...:yes4:

Start educating yourself as to 'Why' this thread is so important...



Self sufficiency and local co-operatives are the key here.
The less we consume from big corporations and the more we can produce locally takes the power away from the big guys.


I realize your Reset Button is a peaceful solution, which requires a mass awakening and a collective effort to unseat the psychopaths and replace them with empathic souls. I'm all for it.


Thank You Arrowwind and All!
...and this applies intensely now, imho...in ALL facets of change needed and coming on strong:



How may we go about doing this, I think Arrowwind that your idea of a petition has it' values, but will it bring in what we think should be accomplished?, only time will tell, and who would be responsible to get it done and do the groundwork on this? Interesting questions


Very quickly, I never meant my previous post to be considered an attack on The Reset Button, which is a good idea and a great place to start.

Also, I guess I failed to recognize where we went from suggestions to ramping up The Reset Button strategy. Sorry, it wasn't mentioned in the op and I missed the fork in the convo.

The following was taken from The Reset Button document with minor adaptaions to create a petition to put on the us.gov petition site. The sole purpose of this posting of a petiton it to bring to the forefront the Reset Button to many people who would not find it on the net otherwise through the power of a government websit. With the posting of this on the gov. website I am calling for a mass movement of Avelon members and anyone else called to action to move this forward in other sites and social media forums and mainstream media comment areas. I do not believe that this will ever be inacted by our government. It is the start of a wake up call to them and a real peaceful revolution.

This should be a simultaneous action somewhere in the near future.
What do you think? are you ready? is it a good idea?



Petition to the United States Government

Amendment XXVIII

With the ratification of this amendment and the adoption of one law.

No incumbency and no seniority. Every elected and appointed office term is for four years. Every four years the slate is wiped clean. All previous elected and appointed officials depart. All newly elected officials enter. No individual may ever serve more than 4 years in any office.

• Judge and judges, including Supreme Court and other Federal judgeships are retired as of the next 2012 election and future judges and justices conform to the same four year term and cycle as any other appointed official.
• Justices and judges, including Supreme Court and Federal judgeships, are retired as of the 2012 election, and future judges and justices conform to the same four year term and cycle as any other elected official.
• Collusion is legally equated with treason.
• Corporate personhood is formally eliminated
The Election Reform Act of 2012 Bullet points:
• No citizen with dual citizenship may hold office.
• Candidates for office and appointees must not be a corporate board member stockholder in
in any corporation. Elected and appointed officials agree not to participate in corporate boards, banks or stock/commodities trading firms for five years after leaving office.
• All judges/justices must have passed a state bar exam.
• All public money (including the nominal filing fees from candidates) may be used for election. No corporate or outside election money – not even from candidate- may be used.
• Candidates must meet all criteria and pay a nominal fee.
• To get to a reasonable number of final candidates, the entire candidate field for each office is physically randomized in a hopper, and a specific number of names are drawn.
• Final candidates are all given equal amounts of public funding, must publically account for expenditures and are mandated to be given equal time and prominence in all media. Mandated debate and mandated position papers present individual candidate views.
• All voting is to be on paper ballots and hand counted
• Vote of Confidence by Citizens Initiative provides a method of elected official recall and even ‘freezing’ elected official duties, and provides this uniformly from local to federal elected officials, including judges and the president.

This is a list of the topics that the candidates will be mandated to provide Position Papers describing their positions.

1.) Congressional Reform
2.) Banking and Monetary Reform
3.) Representation Reform
4.) Energy Reform
5.) Education Reform
6.) Executive Branch Reform
7.) Indigenous People –
8.) Sovereign Nation Issues
9.) Job Strategies
10.) Food, water and Air Sovereignty Reform
11.) Agricultural and Ranching Reform
12.) Corporate Reform
13.) Stock Market Reform
14.) Tax Reform
15.) Medial and Pharmacology Reform
16.) Health Care Reform
17.) Mass Media Reform
18.) Judicial and Penal System Reform
19.) Labor Reform
20.) Military Reform
21.) Intelligence Reform
22.) Security Reform
23.) Police Reform
24.) Gerrymandering, Redistricting Reform
25.) Social Democracy/Capitalism Unification

End of Petition.

Commentary:

The RESET BUTTON’s Plan, Strategy, Goals as well as the Urgency (and the reasoning behind each) are spelled out in the full RESET BUTTON document, and summarized on the www.ResetButton2012.org (http://www.ResetButton2012.org) website.

The focus is on Phase 1 of The Reset Button which this petition addresses: US citizens gaining control over the election process, and getting all of the Big Money influence out of elections. This is the only way that any real change will ever come out of Congress and the White House.

Currently all elected officials are beholden to corporate sponsors. They either ‘bought-in’ to the agenda of the Financial Elite, or they have been ‘bought-out’ by the Financial Elite. Attempting to deal with this body is 100% futile, and the electoral system has been rigged to keep them in control, using Big Money and the overpowering influence of the Bid Media that they also control. Third party candidates are prevented fro ever having a change at winning more than a small, statistically insignificant number of seats, and could never affect change. This is by design. The only way in is through full electoral paradigm change. The only way to get paradigm change is by creating an overwhelming financial pressure and public relations nightmare for all the Financial Elite’s major corporations – with US citizens simultaneously going on a Nationwide General Strike, Boycotting all of the corporations and Divesting from these corporations UNLESS The US GOVERNMENT VOTES TO ENACT THIS ABOVE AMMENDMENT THROUGH THEIR OWN VOLITION.

The action, (major simultaneous financial pressure on all major corporations- including Nationwide General Strike, Full Boycotts, and Complete Divestment) has never been done before. This action, by US Citizens, is the greatest power US citizens have to make these changes. If this does not work, nothing will, and we citizens are permanently ‘debt slaves’ without hope. We have nothing to lose by trying , we have lost everything if we do not try.

This document contains the best ideas from some of the most brilliant minds in the United States, and the only plan and strategy proposed by anyone to actually gain control of elections, get ordinary citizens elected, and accomplish the goals we citizens want accomplished. Goals that the 2-party, 1- owner, Financial Elite’s political machine would never even consider, much less pass into law.

Activist will recognize virtually all of the major issues that we citizens have been fighting for in the topics in Phase II. Please read the PDF Phase II file found at www.resetbutton2012 (http://www.resetbutton2012). Ordinary citizens should at least be aware, at this point, that we citizens are in a financial war with the financial elite. They have declared war un us. We do not have the option to sit out the fight – they have brought the fight quite literally to our doorsteps. 11 million homes foreclosed, 9 million expected to fall in 2012. But their big weapon, the ‘neutron bomb’ of the Financial Elite is that they are about to deliberately burst a $700 trillion dollar derivatives bubble, that they deliberately created. Either we stop them or they will create a worldwide depression and we will be in survival mode. We have an excellent chance to stop them if we act immediately and act in unprecedented unity. The Monetary Reform Act can disarm their “neutron bomb”, but they won’t pass it. We must.

The bonus (as if we need a bonus) for winning the financial war with the Financial Elite is our freedom, control over our own elections, control over our governance, and control over our own destiny.

We need the help of as many US citizens as possible and we can win.

Remember- you (and candidates) do not have to agree with anything in Phase II to agree with the goals of Phase I. The goal of Phase I is simple: a government of the people, by the people and for the people –Literally, not just a slogan. The goal of Phase I is an incredible goal for all citizens – we ordinary citizens will finally be the voice of government - and we will have completely removed the Financial Elite’s control over our elections. Sign the petition to the US government today to take your stance.

Then please read, sign and spread the word about THE RESET BUTTON. Our lives, our liberty and our health and our happiness depends upon it. The Financial Elite have declared war on us, and they are winning. We must win – or we lose everything.

[Freed Fox]

Ok, you'll all have to forgive me here, as I have not completed what should essentially be prerequisite reading to fully (and coherently) participate in the discussion at hand. Getting any heavy reading done has been difficult as I've got family visiting for New Year's (excuses excuses, I know...). As long as I'm prefacing here, I also want to send my deep gratitude toward the members contributing here, especially Dennis Leahy and Arrowwind.

I just want to confirm/comment on a few things regarding the drafted amendment posted above...

If I'm not mistaken, petitions to the U.S. government must collect something like 32,000 signatures within either 60 or 90 days, is that correct? I'm not sure what law this falls under, but I'm positive that I've read something to that effect somewhere before.
In either case, I would suggest that this not be submitted for awhile. Long enough to pick up some real preliminary steam and iron out the finer details.

I am in agreement with the majority of the points raised/propositions made. However criticisms are typically more constructive than praise, so here 'goes;

A nagging omission (seems to be) specifying a set limit on public funds dedicated to elections. The mandated equality in media coverage to individual campaigns only covers a portion of election spending. In the past election, for instance, "robo-calls" were implemented prolifically.

I appreciate the motive behind mandatory position papers, as it would serve to hold politicians' feet to the figurative fire, but I don't like the idea that an official would not be able to evolve his/her policies in accordance to new details/findings/developments that may come to light. Am I mistaken in that assumption?

The aspect that I am most unsure of is the strict limitation of 4 years of service. I can see the merits in this, but I'm not sure I fully agree with it. Experience can be very useful when dealing with complex issues, such as foreign relations and economic growth/stability.

Finally, just because I'm not completely aware of the educational backgrounds of Dennis et al, it might be really helpful to get a constitutional lawyer to look this over and offer their suggestions.

Anyway, thank you all again for the time and effort put into your work here. Frankly I'm a bit surprised that this thread hasn't taken off in a big way yet, but I'd say it's only a matter of time. I'm sure there are quite a few like me who need to catch up on their homework (but unlike them I can't keep my trap shut!) :p
Sorry if any of the above was already covered and I've spoken too soon.

[gripreaper]

Petition to the United States Government

Before this thread gets too far along, I want to clarify something. Which government?

As many here know, the original organic Articles of Confederation, which were drafted in the early part of the 17th century, were partially usurped at the Declaration and signing of the Constitution, as over half of the signers were Freemasons and agents for the Crown, which as you know, is a subsidiary of the Vatican and part of the Roman trusts from the 1600's. The "To Ourselves and our Posterity" actually refers to the nobility and is not for us. There are schools of thought which would say we never had a Constitution by the people, for the people, and of the people.

But I digress. Let's move forward in time and go to the mid 1800's when the global banksters were feverishly attempting to take full control of the money supply, and the somewhat rogue individualists who had emigrated to this new continent, who were very difficult to enslave. They fomented the civil war and financed both sides, until Lincoln would not pay the massive usury and printed greenbacks, for which he was summarily eliminated. Then, after the war, congress proposed the Reconstruction Act, which essentially wanted to make all of us "us" citizens just like the blacks and turn us all into indentured slaves. Seven southern states walked out of congress and congress never reconvened.

A new corporate government was formed in the District of Columbia, the Reconstruction Act was passed, a new class of citizen was created, and the sovereign American was left out in the cold. We all became 14th amendment corporate citizens of the new corporatocracy. Then in 1913, they accelerated the job, took all the money supply away from us, and put us under the fiat debt system, which has completely shifted all assets into their hands and made us fully indentured slaves. Then in 1933, all of the energy, labor, and future strength of the people was hypothecated and given to this global oligarchy as collateral in the bankruptcy of this country.

So, we are all corporate slaves, have no representative government, no means from which to address grievances within the current corporate structure. There are movements to "Restore the Republic" and bring back the original organic intention from the Articles of Confederation, but they have failed, or are very hampered and co-opted and infiltrated if they gain any steam. There are sovereignty movements which file declarations of extrication from the corporate 14th amendment citizenship, yet these fail since it is then impossible to operate in the controlled commerce.

Although I am hopeful, I need a question answered. How do we affect this change without returning to some form of true representative government, and dismantling the existing corporate government to which we are indentured through debt and adhesion, where over 50% OF THE POPULACE IS DRAWING SOME FORM OF GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE IN THE FORM OF A PAYCHECK?

[Arrowwind]

A nagging omission (seems to be) specifying a set limit on public funds dedicated to elections. The mandated equality in media coverage to individual campaigns only covers a portion of election spending. In the past election, for instance, "robo-calls" were implemented prolifically.

I appreciate the motive behind mandatory position papers, as it would serve to hold politicians' feet to the figurative fire, but I don't like the idea that an official would not be able to evolve his/her policies in accordance to new details/findings/developments that may come to light. Am I mistaken in that assumption?

The aspect that I am most unsure of is the strict limitation of 4 years of service. I can see the merits in this, but I'm not sure I fully agree with it. Experience can be very useful when dealing with complex issues, such as foreign relations and economic growth/stability.

.

Dennis will have to address some of this when he comes by.

I would say that position papers should not limit a candidate in any specific area. It is a calling for how he would address each issue so that the people will know exactly how a candidate stands on each issue. Consider just how many issues were never addressed in our recent election. It will be in writing so flip flopping will be much harder. . It certalinly would not limit him/her from writing other position papers on other topics.

All I can say is that exactly all the details of this are not all that important to me for I understand that the current elected officials will never go for it in part or totality. They have been bought and sold already. They have refused to fix the mess and the most obvious incongruencies and constitutional illegalities necessary to maintianing liberty. They have supported new laws to pull the consitution out from under our feet.

there is so much that needs addressing but mainly this phase one is to restore the power of the vote to the people.

I too had some of the very same questions that you propose... Certainly setting limits on public money would be necessary. How much would be appropriate I have no clue. I would say mandated free public time on leading and easily accessible to the public news channels might be in order... or perhaps even a youtube dedicated site so no news agency can call foul. If say, 30 million were dedicated to each registerd candidate that might be enough if they spend wisely and to the point. Way too much money is generally spent on total wastes of time to confound the voters.

We do a want a petition that will be read and will be signed. Some people may opt not to sign on the governement site and choose to only sign the Reset Button as it stands for this plan has no intent to change the Reset Button as it stands. Have no doubt though. This petiton will go nowhere in the halls of our esteemed halls of government at this time. It's main intent is to plant seed of thought and to tell the people what they up against and what really needs to be done, which is a full boycott of corportations till they are brought to their ever lovin knees and a constitutional govenment is forced upon the system by the will of the people.

[Arrowwind]

Petition to the United States Government

Before this thread gets too far along, I want to clarify something. Which government?


Well, to the government that is in power now, the USA government that sponsors this website: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/




Although I am hopeful, I need a question answered. How do we affect this change without returning to some form of true representative government, and dismantling the existing corporate government to which we are indentured through debt and adhesion, where over 50% OF THE POPULACE IS DRAWING SOME FORM OF GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE IN THE FORM OF A PAYCHECK?

We will release ourselves in just the same manner that you did.. We will stop paying, we will stop purchasing, we will stop the game dead in its tracks.

I don't think that this must be an end to all the good things in government as the process moves forward over time but it would lead to the PEOPLE running the government, not corporations through their money power and influence. BTW, Im one of those people who draws government money in the form of SS retirment fund. If we were to take the govenment down by cutting it at the root of the Financial Elite It would be very difficult for me. One way or another difficult times are coming upon us.

Ultimatley, I think that through a fair taxation of the people we can have a very good society if we stop paying for wars, black box operations, funding administration corporate favorites like Obama does, developing a department of energy that is working for the people by developing 'free energy' and other alternatives etc etc This nation has the potential for all its residents to live a good lifestyle, to have good roads and infrastructure, to have the elders and infirmed well cared for, to care for its vets and provide excellent education to all.... once we stop being slaves to the Financial Elite....

The first phase of Reset Button puts the government back into the hands of the people. It may not result in a government that all people like but it will result in a government of the people by the people for the people. Then come what may out of new found freedom.

[Dennis Leahy]

Remember, Arrowwind has stated that presenting this as a petition on the WhiteHouse.Gov petition website is NOT an attempt to get the US government to consider the amendment and law. Instead, it is a clever way to present the material to more US citizens. I applaud this. Ya done good, Arrowwind!

I just posted the full text of the proposed amendment and law that together would create the electoral paradigm transformation.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44014-The-Reset-Button-2012&p=609675&viewfull=1#post609675

That should answer some/most of the questions posed above about specifics. For the logic behind the specifics, you may want to read "Why This Plan?", starting on page 13 of The Reset Button document (http://www.resetbutton2012.org/Documents/ResetButtonFull.pdf#Page=13)

Grip, we know for sure that the minions of corporatocracy will NEVER address the issue(s) of the USA as a sovereign nation with sovereign citizens versus the CUSA (Corporate U S A.) Newly elected representatives - our real representatives of the people - will have a mountain of legislation to un-do - an even bigger task than writing new (citizen-centric, eco-centric) legislation. But we do know that the first step is getting the minions of corporatocracy all out of office, simultaneously, and getting ordinary citizens not under corporate control in these positions.

Dennis

[Maia Gabrial]

IMO it will take the majority of us to make an affective impact on the corporations.

BTW just as an investigative project, go into ANY store and check out how much of the products we sell or buy is MADE IN CHINA.... everything; even our underwear!! So, we have to ask WTF is wrong with Americans? American companies took their businesses to China so they didn't have to pay a decent wage to them and then turn around to make a huge proft selling the products more expensively. How the heck do we break the backs of those American companies when Americans are so materialistic that they don't care where they get their stuff. Nothing against the Chinese, but shouldn't they be taking care of your own needs while America takes care of its own? How can we bring an American company to its knees when everything is made elsewhere? Where do we start? Is there anything wrong with Americans making their own stuff again? Do they remember how to? I'm serious. This is a huge problem that will take alot more than boycotting a few products. It's ALL of our products.... Go see for yourselves if I'm lying....

Even our food seems to be coming from other countries. So, what the hell is wrong with Americans? Is it just plain laziness or materiality or greed or what? We've allowed this dependence to happen to us. It's weakened us. Wait until the noose tightens and we have to practically beg for the things we love so much. Maybe even the things we need to live on. Where will the American pride be then?

I think Americans will need a big time boot in the a$$ to wake up and take action. But don't ask me what that would have to be....

[Dennis Leahy]

IMO it will take the majority of us to make an affective impact on the corporations.

BTW just as an investigative project, go into ANY store and check out how much of the products we sell or buy is MADE IN CHINA.... everything; even our underwear!! So, we have to ask WTF is wrong with Americans? American companies took their businesses to China so they didn't have to pay a decent wage to them and then turn around to make a huge proft selling the products more expensively. How the heck do we break the backs of those American companies when Americans are so materialistic that they don't care where they get their stuff. Nothing against the Chinese, but shouldn't they be taking care of your own needs while America takes care of its own? How can we bring an American company to its knees when everything is made elsewhere? Where do we start? Is there anything wrong with Americans making their own stuff again? Do they remember how to? I'm serious. This is a huge problem that will take alot more than boycotting a few products. It's ALL of our products.... Go see for yourselves if I'm lying....

Even our food seems to be coming from other countries. So, what the hell is wrong with Americans? Is it just plain laziness or materiality or greed or what? We've allowed this dependence to happen to us. It's weakened us. Wait until the noose tightens and we have to practically beg for the things we love so much. Maybe even the things we need to live on. Where will the American pride be then?

I think Americans will need a big time boot in the a$$ to wake up and take action. But don't ask me what that would have to be....
Yes, we are more distributors and consumers than manufacturers, but a nationwide strike will stop the distribution of goods, and because they count on the US as being among the top consumer nations in the world, it will have an incredible impact.

A nationwide general strike will have more leverage than boycott + divestment + moving money out of banks combined.

Dennis

p.s. Domestic manufacturing (not just the US, but most countries) needs to be reborn, with a new environmental mantra, disposal of the concept of engineered premature failure/obsolesence, and company ownership as collective (worker-owend) enterprises. Since the supply channels of cheap goods produced by slaves, prisoners, and virtual slaves, at high environmental cost, are wide open and established, then legislators have to impose high enough tariffs to make it economically unfeasible for corporations to operate their (Orwellian-named) "free-trade" scam. Again, this is something that simply will NEVER be done if we leave those in power, in power.

[Freed Fox]

IMO, buying everything from the Koch brothers is just as bad as buying everything from the Chinese...

[Dennis Leahy]

IMO, buying everything from the Koch brothers is just as bad as buying everything from the Chinese...yep! (And how much of the Koch brothers' junk is also made in China?)

There is actually very little that can honestly be listed as "needs" that sustain life - and stocking up on some necessities as well as growing our own food meets those needs, easily, for the length of time it would take to force an electoral transformation.

Dennis

p.s. Our liberation and re-building our infrastructure and manufacturing capabilities will also be liberating for the exploited workers in countries such as China.

p.s.p.s. Something Ulli just posted in the "Here and Now..." thread, that fits right in this thread. For this movement to work, we need to meet our own food needs and those of our local community, so gardening - particularly organic gardening - becomes a radical, self-sustaining, life-affirming practice. : "Revolution In Your Own Backyard" http://www.nextworldtv.com/videos/growing-food/one-million-gardens.html (http://www.nextworldtv.com/videos/growing-food/one-million-gardens.html)

[Arrowwind]

IMO it will take the majority of us to make an affective impact on the corporations.

Even our food seems to be coming from other countries. So, what the hell is wrong with Americans? Is it just plain laziness or materiality or greed or what?
I think Americans will need a big time boot in the a$$ to wake up and take action. But don't ask me what that would have to be....

In defence of Americans these very issues that you point out are widespread in other nations as well. Look at UK. They can't produce one dam thing. All is imported, and especially food. please understand that the US is the foundation nation for the NWO. It has been planned this way for a long time. This is why we have the United Nations on our shores and not in the UK, or Belgium, or Italy or Australia.

What is happening here will happen to all the rest given enough time and advancement of the NWO agenda. So don't rest on your laurels.. get busy waking up people within your own national boundaries.

We are not the only nation enslaved, this is world wide agenda that is unfolding at different rates in different nations.

Americans have been douped by the Financial Elite though the formation of the WTO, NAFTA and CAFTA under the guise of freedom and free trade for all as promoted by H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton, after all our prosperous nation had the duty to upgrade the economic standards of the world, no?
.. Bush and Clinton are new world order front men This had driven industry out of our nation which has created competiton in prices that American industry has not been able to compete with hence foricng the closure of factories who did try to stick it out here. It has also created a nonsustainable evironmental issue. These unfair and unequal trade practices under the guise of free trade has bound Americans by the hands and feet.

Now nations that have moved into" Economic prosperity" like China and Mexico and other central American countries who are on the brink of doing the same are having huge social unrest, pollution issues, displacement of people... all the effects that war causes,,, for this is a financil war against the free people of the world with the intent to to further enslave them, destroy indigneous culture, and reduce population eventually.

I was recently in Mexico, on a driving trip through their beautiful land. Not to far from Moneterry we came upon a huge, just a giant valley filled with what had previously been US industry. A hundred factory wearhouses spread across the dessert terrain. Exquisite highways had been built to serve the thousands of trucks that go in and out every day. Mexico has been thriving as America declines. Frankly, I dont know why Mexicans are wanting to come here these days. Yet there is turmoil in Mexico also with the drug gangs largely created though the US war on drugs. We drove past a recent bombing in a city center in Monterrey... they had taken out several buildings... suspected done by drug cartel.. but is Mexico immune to false flage events? I wonder.

F--K. A couple of months ago I went to the American Spirit Tobacco site to get some tobacco coupons for my husband for he smokes organic. A couple of weeks ago the American Spirit company sent me a package and literature to encourage us to recycle cigarette butts... all we have to do is go around and pick up cigarette filters from the ground and public ashtrays and mail them in and they will see to it that these waste products will be recycled. They sent me a sample recycled product.. it was a rather ugly tourquise ashtry made out of a soft plastic. I turned it over and it was stamped made in China... so Im suppose to go around picking up f--cking cigarette butts, pay to mail them in, have them sent to China to be made into F--cking ashtrys to be shipped back here for US citizens to purchase.

I just dont know what this world is coming to....

Sadly, actually, really I do.

I sincerely believe that if we resisit as people resisited in the old days, actual physical protests on the government we will all be swept up and placed in concentration camps. The day of such protests are done. Their weaponry is too great. Our little guns mean nothing when faced with energy weapons, chem trails, a highly trained military and swat teams all over the country. We dont stand a chance this way.

We need to keep the breath of freedom alive, and develop tactics that we can survive so our message will not die with our corpses.

[Arrowwind]

There is actually very little that can honestly be listed as "needs" that sustain life - and stocking up on some necessities as well as growing our own food meets those needs, easily, for the length of time it would take to force an electoral transformation.

p.s.p.s. Something Ulli just posted in the "Here and Now..." thread, that fits right in this thread. For this movement to work, we need to meet our own food needs and those of our local community, so gardening - particularly organic gardening - becomes a radical, self-sustaining, life-affirming practice. : "Revolution In Your Own Backyard" http://www.nextworldtv.com/videos/growing-food/one-million-gardens.html (http://www.nextworldtv.com/videos/growing-food/one-million-gardens.html)

Exactly and I dont really think enough folks on avelon are getting this message loud and clear.

Currently Im the president of our very tiny local farmer's market. Now think about this.
I've never grown a dam thing in my life till three years ago... and Im 59 years old.

You have to get out there and stretch into your unseen potential. YOU have to make things happen for if not you then who?

If the shtf we will have food. Will you?

50 percent of what we eat this year is produced locally, in Idaho and 30 percent of that in our town area.
Im working at education through the FM on organics, the dangers of GMO and most importantly to bring people together to see each other as sources for our needs, not Chile or China or even the East Coast nor the trucked in foods form California.

[Arrowwind]

So Dennis, are you saying we should move forward with the idea to place Rest Button on the gov peititon site?

[Lost Soul]

Gerald Celente said it. Buy from the chains and be a slave of the chains. Buy local products produced locally. That's a start.

[Dennis Leahy]

So Dennis, are you saying we should move forward with the idea to place Rest Button on the gov peititon site?
It's not my say - it's yours.

I misunderstood you at first, and thought you were hoping TPTB would move forward with the concept if enough signatures were on a petition, but once I realized it is simply another way to reach a cluster of ordinary citizens (so they will at least have heard of it and some may investigate further), I thought the idea was brilliant.

:~)

Dennis

[Arrowwind]

Gerald Celente said it. Buy from the chains and be a slave of the chains. Buy local products produced locally. That's a start.

I totally agree but so often for so many nothing local is available.

[Arrowwind]

Ok, Dennis I will proceed.

What Im looking for now it a group of about 10 to 15 people to take on certain tasks to complitment the posting of this on the gov. page.

Im looking for folks to take on certain divisions of labor regarding puting up posts in stratigic places on the internet.

There are several categories.

Media Comment areas

Forums

Blogs

Facebook


Media comment areas should include comment areas on
CNN, MSNBC, Young Turks, Al Jezerra

Forums can include any forums you know. Acutally several people could do this.
I feel that we should have placement on at least 20 forums I would like to have a list of the forums where posts go up.
We dont want to be redundant and I think it might be of some benefit to watch reactions.
But the peittion is good and up and running for 30 days and requires 25,000 signatures to get to be read. In thirty days we may want to post to these forums and media sites once every couple of days to keep directing people to the gov site.
Facebook... this would include posting to all your friends, on your wall and to organizational groups that allow posting without befriending.
Acutally everyone can participate in this... if we each take on 5 to 10 sites each and we have maybe 5 people doing it could it possibly go viral?

I will work on the message for this part of the release over the next day or so. Im planning on the message to be uniform and to direct all readers to the gov. peitition site.

Im hoping we can get at least 15 or 20 people involved and they certainly dont have to be avelon people but I would like to know what their intent is.. even though name isnt necessary.

We need to think of a way to get Alex Jones involved. Does anyone have any other ideas?

So who is game? you can pm me.

[Dennis Leahy]

Just in case anyone thinks that the concept of slave labor being used to produce goods is hyperbole, check this out:

Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/woman-finds-note-from-chinese-labor-camp-prisoner-kmart-decorations
(http://www.examiner.com/article/woman-finds-note-from-chinese-labor-camp-prisoner-kmart-decorations)
Dennis

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I know they really dont like it when you take your cash and close your account.

Why do people keep money in a bank anyway?

N

[steveofengland]

What a brilliant thread this is:) I would have thought more people would jump on this? Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a UK version of the reset button, I would have a go if I thought I was smart enough.
For this to work well it really needs to be a worldwide thing, look at this way; if you were a big corporation (pick any huge one) and your stake in the control of the government wwas severed and you no longer had any influence what would you do?
You would up sticks and move somewhere where you could still excert your will, power and influence.
where does that leave things? Good in one way as the big bad wolf has left the country, or bad in the respect that they are operating as before, buying politicians, building armies, financing wars.

An example of this recently, I was talking to someone who told me that a large car manufacturer that had built cars in the north of England (supporting 1000s of jobs) had an offer from the government of another country (Hungary I think?) whereby the factory would be built and paid for by government money, there would be no rent to pay and all the cheap labour they could use would be supplied, all they needed was training.

This is why it needs to be a worldwide thing, I hate to say it but it would take "a new world order" type thing?

Just my 2 cents / pence

[steveofengland]

Finding a corporation that is not "a bad guy" I've been looking into one here in the UK. The Co-operative group, which claims to be ethically correct and its shareholders "the people" are the ones who benefit.
Here is their charter of ethics as of 2011

Group Chief Executive Peter Marks said:
"Our ambition is to build a better society and this Plan will stimulate and reinforce the unique benefit of the consumer co-operative model.
“At a time when UK society is picking up the pieces from a recession exacerbated by corporate greed and speculation, we are seeking to show that there is another way. The plc model is not the only game in town. It is possible for business to embrace the efficiencies of the market economy and also the need for robust legislation to ensure that progress is sustainable and just.   
“Taken together, we believe the measures and pledges set out in our Ethical Plan raise the bar on corporate sustainability. Over the next 10 years working with our customers, members, suppliers, staff and communities we believe we really can make Britain even better.

Leading environmentalist Jonathon Porritt said:
“By launching this Ethical Plan, the Co-operative is taking corporate sustainability into a new era. Other businesses will now be seeking to benchmark themselves against this Plan”.
Harriet Lamb, Executive Director of the Fairtrade Foundation said:
“Always a pioneer of Fairtrade, The Co-operative’s commitment to ensuring that virtually all primary commodities that can be Fairtrade will be Fairtrade sets the bar anew for the corporate world.
”This commitment will be greeted by producers as a real lifeline in these tough economic times. This could herald a gear change for Fairtrade which chimes with the public mood and predictions that the public want to buy more Fairtrade in the future.”

In total there are 47 distinct targets within The Co-operative’s Ethical Plan, which will be reported on each year within The Group’s sustainability report, a globally recognised leader in terms of transparency, materiality and independent audit. 
Every year, the Plan will be considered within the Group’s democratic structures and renewed in parallel to the standard three year rolling business plan.
Key targets set out in the Plan include:
Democratic control and reward
Co-operative Group membership to grow to 20 million by 2020 and to be opened up to the under 16s as soon as legally possible
Dividend scheme to be amended to reward ethical consumerism
Ethical Finance

The Introduction of the world’s first ethically screened general insurance products, which will support over two million policies
Double financial support for renewable energy and energy efficiency projects from £400 million to £1 billion by 2013
Protecting the environment

Having reduced its own operational carbon emissions by 20% since 2006, the  target will now increase to 35% by 2017 – the most progressive of any major UK business
We will enhance our market leading pesticides policy further, and seek to ban chemicals such as endosulfan and paraquat
Leading biodiversity work in areas such as wood and fish to be matched with new targets on palm oil and soya
On top of the 15% weight reductions achieved in packaging, we will reduce the environmental impact by a further 10% by 2012 and increase carrier bag reduction target to 75% by 2013
The construction by 2012 of a head office that will set new standards in sustainable design, construction and operation in the UK
Building a fairer and better society
Co-operative enterprise will be more heavily supported through the investment of £11m by 2013 and the launch a new £20m international Co-operative Development Loan Fund
 
The Co-operative’s community investment, already amongst the most generous in the UK, will be expanded to include £5m a year to help tackle  poverty around our stores and branches
The Co-operative will spearhead a cultural shift in youth perception and opportunity through a £30m programme that will support an Apprenticeship Academy, a Green Schools programme and the creation of 200 Co-operative Schools by 2013   
Tackling Global Poverty
Going forward, if it can be Fairtrade, it will be Fairtrade. By 2013, some 90% of the primary commodities sourced from the developing world will be certified to Fairtrade standards

Furthermore, The Co-operative will develop a unique range of projects and initiatives that benefit producers and take us beyond Fairtrade 
Responsible retailing
Healthier Choice products will be no more expensive than standard equivalent lines and the nutritional content of Simply Value products will be at least as good as standard equivalent lines







So, are they a good corporation? There's a lot of carbon reduction talk and 2012 saw a new chief executive Euan Sutherland, who in the co-op's own words "is currently Group Chief Operating Officer, Kingfisher plc. Prior to that he was Chairman of B&Q and CEO of Kingfisher UK & Ireland. Mr Sutherland is also a non-executive director of The Co-operative Group’s Food Board, and a non-executive director of SuperGroup"

I've not researched much on this, just litterally the past couple of hours, but I have a feeling its all BS and that at the heart of it, its just spin. I'll keep digging on this.......

[Dennis Leahy]

What a brilliant thread this is:) I would have thought more people would jump on this? Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a UK version of the reset button, I would have a go if I thought I was smart enough.
For this to work well it really needs to be a worldwide thing, look at this way; if you were a big corporation (pick any huge one) and your stake in the control of the government wwas severed and you no longer had any influence what would you do?
You would up sticks and move somewhere where you could still excert your will, power and influence.
where does that leave things? Good in one way as the big bad wolf has left the country, or bad in the respect that they are operating as before, buying politicians, building armies, financing wars.

An example of this recently, I was talking to someone who told me that a large car manufacturer that had built cars in the north of England (supporting 1000s of jobs) had an offer from the government of another country (Hungary I think?) whereby the factory would be built and paid for by government money, there would be no rent to pay and all the cheap labour they could use would be supplied, all they needed was training.

This is why it needs to be a worldwide thing, I hate to say it but it would take "a new world order" type thing?

Just my 2 cents / pence
"Think globally, act locally..."

When I started researching, I realized pretty quickly that I had to pick a scope.
change myself
change my family
change my neighborhood
change my city
change my county
change my state
change my national region
change my nation
change my continent
change my planet

At the same time I am working on me, my family gets the benefit of those changes, as (to a lesser and lesser, but still meaningful extent) so does my neighborhood through my planet. I take the "be the change you want to see" quite literally.

There are some things that work well locally (some that require physical presence, and thus only work locally) such as a community gardening program. I get that, and I do that.

One thing that jumped out at me was the fact that there are a lot of activists who have been actively working on problems for decades, with no success whatsoever. A good example are US anti-war activists. US war/"defense" policy and practice is a national concern, handled at the federal level by the US government. It doesn't help if I make logical and passionate pleas in my city government, and it doesn't matter if a citizen of a foreign country reprimands the US government. The appropriate venue is the US Congress, and they (theoretically) listen to US citizens. So, even though I love my friends that hold up anti-war signs in my city so passing cars can honk horns in approval, and even though there is a group that is spending its activism energy getting city councils to vote on referenda to cut Pentagon spending, I know their efforts are not even mosquitoes to Godzilla. Nothing will come of their efforts - they do not understand scope.

In picking an appropriate scope, one has to be careful not to be:
a.) too narrow (for example, only work on myself, or only work on positively changing my local community), because I want to make the largest positive impact on my planet that I possibly can

b.) too wide (for example, try to make all of my efforts on a global scale) because almost none of us are able to directly affect things on a global scale, and our efforts could become rather meaningless, and our efforts feel futile - especially if done solo. I cannot put out a forest fire by myself with a bucket.

In my research, I kept coming to the conclusion that the largest scope I could affect, and the most important to affect, is at the national level. My nation happens to be the US because I was born here. As it turns out, at this time the US is the most ecologically destructive, most terroristic, most violent, most imperialistic, least compassionate nation on this planet. Almost all of this nefarious behavior emanates from the federal government. That portion of nefarious behavior that emanates from international bankers and mega-corporations is (largely) headquartered in the US (for protection.)

Although I do applaud the efforts of activists that have picked a local scope and are giving all of their energy to their local community, I couldn't live with myself if I didn't try to stop the nefarious activities of my federal government. I know my federal government cannot be "repaired"; they must be "replaced." This is a monumental task, and I cannot even imagine trying to take on any larger scope. Once this task is completed, the entire planet will shiver with delight, so, in a way, this task has many global ramifications.

I do highly recommend that some people take up the task of creating something like the Reset Button for the UK, Canada, Australia...Germany, France, Japan, Brazil, Italy, Russia, India... (probably impossible in China unless there is a revolution) You know your own country, your own national laws, your own legislature, your own voting laws and voting paradigm. It is unique to your country, and if you want the citizens of your country to control their own governance rather than be handed corporate-aligned candidates by International Banking and Corporate Elite or your Financial Elite that have gamed your system, you will need to create a movement something like the Reset Button.

Dennis

[steveofengland]

Dennis, your posts are always uplifting:) I have been posting links to The Reset Button to the occupy London Facebook page with a quick post about how we in the UK should try this too.


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I just wanted to add that MSM over here in the UK are hyping the "your not buying enough stuff" strategy.
It made headline news that the future of the British economy relies on us "consumers" continuing to plow every penny we have buying new "stuff"
Without that the outlook is bleak for "the highstreet"

They were banging on about how Christmas 2012 was disappointing for revenue, then showing us people pushing and shoving each other to get the new year "bargains" from selfridges.

It sickened me to watch those so well trained sheep, penned in and chased through to go and buy buy buy!

And all the time the news is, "if you don't buy stuff, you will all lose your jobs and have your houses repossessed!"
And "its not corporations fault, its yours for not buying stuff! Throw out your old stuf, you need new stuff!"

I listened to a program on BBC radio 2, wwhere they were discussing websites where people put their old stuff on to get rid of for free, one woman had furnished her house explaining she had saved over £70k in five years. And doing that has afforded her to travel the world and do volunteer work.

While someone else came on to say that because of sites like that, the economy will suffer!

The question is HOW do we wake up such people to get them to understand what the reset button can do?
I can explain things to work colleagues till I'm blue in the face, but they just won't have it. They love they're walmart:(

[steveofengland]

Looking into the only general strike there has been in the UK which didn't end well, its hard to imagine a high enough percent would get involved?
From here http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1926_United_Kingdom_general_strike

The 1926 British general strike organised by the TUC of 1.2 million miners which lasted for nine days and included transport strikers (which would be imperative in a general strike now) and brought the country to a halt.

Although the government had reached a kind of agreement some nine months before in response to a threat of general strike, which gave the sneaky government timme to prepare, and bring in acts that wold see the army and volunteers take over various roles.

Propaganda was huge part too in demoralising the strikers and making them "the bad guys"

Fast forward to a general strike now in the USA and I really do think they would use all the power they have to quickly dispense of "economic terrorists" which we would become known as. Once they have put a few into detention camps the many would submit and the cause would be lost I fear.

[donk]

I finally caved and read the OP, though not anything else, so forgive if this has been said:


They need our money.

This is the fundamental flaw, the thinking that needs to change for anything to change.

MONEY needs our faith in it to have value.

Corporations are thought-forms, another faith-based entity we give energy just bey believing in, not to mention feeding them HUMAN RESOURCES, to quote Ricky Watters "...for who? for what?"

As long as we accept the slavery that comes from the monetary "ownership society" we choose to live in (cuz "they" made it near impossible not to), we ain't "breaking any backs". corporations don't have backs...just "owners". And they ain't you. Though we were conditioned to protect and perpetuate them...

[gripreaper]

Here is a fairly good synopsis of the public trust and the private trust:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp-mnivAPTM&feature=em-share_video_user

Since we have voluntarily given all of our assets, and our labor and energy to the public trust, we are employees and subject to all the rules and regulations of the corporate entity. How can employees tell the corporation what to do?

Until we start acting as the creditors we are in the private trust, I'm not sure how we will compel the corporatocracy to change their ways, even if we get a mass movement going of aware and awake people, to attempt to change the bylaws (amend) the corporate charter. Employees do not have voting rights within a corporation, as the board of directors (grantors) decides how the corporation is to be run, and who the executors (trustees, president, congress, etc.) are to be is decided by the board of directors.

Until we OWN and take responsibility for who we are and how we have abdicated our sovereignty to the corporatocracy, petitioning this corporatocracy for redress of grievances on how they are running it, as an employee of the corporation, seems fallacious to me.

Although, within the context of living and breathing creditors who have control of the private trust, without abdicating it to the public trust, there is merit to the Reset Button. The context and structure of how the current trust is set up leaves no room for such redress.

Am I off base here?

[Arrowwind]

All I know is that Ecquador threw out the World Bank and other corporations.
Boliva threw out Bechtel and their "ownership" of water rights.
Then there is Ice Land.

Really, if enough people are behind it we can throw anyone out.
Remember, this petition at this point of time has the main purpose to awaken people further.

[Deega]

Thanks Arrowwind for the Tread, in searching the Web on the Tread subject, I came about the journalist Olbermann with a special presentation, ''Break the Banks, Bust the Trust!'', very interesting!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=N2Ys2pYDEEs

All the best to you!

[Arrowwind]

Im watching the video gripreaper posted now. I knew a little of this stuff but this is helpful.
but in the end if we refuse to play the game as Ecquador is, as Ice Land did it all goes up in smoke
for it really is all only smoke and mirrors which we have bought into on a national scale.

Due to this trust type of stituation this is how Brazil forfieted half of the Amazon forest to pay the World Bank for debts.
They could have just told the world bank to piss up a tree.

[Arrowwind]

Hey, where is Keith Olbermann these days anyway? anyone have a current link?

[gripreaper]

Please understand Arrowwind, that I am not advocating lethargy or inaction. I am just trying to create a context from which to proceed.

As employees of the corporation, they don't hear us. Using other corporate structures as an example, employees banded together and formed unions, and these unions went on strike and their grievances were redressed within the structure of the corporation. For example, the hamsters got fluffier pillows, warmer blankets, and shining lights on their hamster wheels, but the corporate structure stayed the same.

Since the corporation cannot hear flesh and blood beings, there is no nexus between the private trust and the beneficiaries of the public trust, and we stand mute within the existing corporate structure. Sure, you can site examples of where other corporate countries have laid claim to the equitable title to certain assets, and have made inroads into how their equitable interest will be "possessed", but that did not change the legal title or the structure of the corporate trust.

This is an important distinction, as the implication is that we can go to congress (the corporate trustees) or that we get to choose who the trustees are, and get them to amend the constitution and add provisions for who gets to be the trustees, when if fact, there is no constitution, there is no congress, and there is no government. Only the corporate trust.

I'm certainly not against anything which helps to wake the people up, but let us also be mindful that rattling our sabres and shouting at the castle walls will only rearrange the location of the public debt instruments which we use and give power to, and does not shift or change the legal title or the bankruptcy provisions of the estate.

[Arrowwind]

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I'm certainly not against anything which helps to wake the people up, but let us also be mindful that rattling our sabres and shouting at the castle walls will only rearrange the location of the public debt instruments which we use and give power to, and does not shift or change the legal title or the bankruptcy provisions of the estate.

Except in Ice Land and Ecquador.
why not us?

[Arrowwind]

I'm certainly not against anything which helps to wake the people up, but let us also be mindful that rattling our sabres and shouting at the castle walls will only rearrange the location of the public debt instruments which we use and give power to, and does not shift or change the legal title or the bankruptcy provisions of the estate.

Except in Ice Land and Ecquador.

I understand you are trying to show us what we are contending with. I have no illusions about how big they are and how immesed we are. Why should we allow international contracts to stop us? We just need to throw them all out... after all it is only a belief system... smoke and mirrors. You got yourself off the wheel. The whole nations could do it if, we, they wanted to.

[gripreaper]

Except in Ice Land and Ecuador.

Could you please provide links as to how Iceland and Ecuador defaulted on their debt to the global trust, how the people regained their sovereign status, how they dissolved the corporate trust, how they transferred legal title and merged it back with equitable title and back into the hands of the organic private trust of the people, and how these people operate in commerce internationally without being any part of the international centralized system of commerce of the global elite banksters.

I'd love to know how they did it so we can use this as an example here in the US.

[blufire]

Something that has helped me greatly in the past couple years to put topics as this thread in to a more ‘workable’ solution is to look hard and from every angle not only my personal views and desires but that of the ‘other’ side . . . . . and more importantly from the viewpoint of all others that would be involved.

So with the topic of the OP, breaking the backs of corporations, let’s say we could somehow magically take down and destroy all the major corporations that most seem to despise. Basically it seems to be any corporation that makes large amounts of money and have highly paid CEO’s.

So all the oil companies are poof gone and all corporations that then are in existence because they use oil by-products . . . anything made of plastic, automobiles, sources of heating or power for your home, all manufacturing, production of food (fuel, fertilizers chemicals on and on,

Monsanto poof gone . . . and so would be billions of tons of food that is shipped all over the world and especially to impoverished countries. As well as all products made from soy beans or corn . . . . read the label on all packages, there is soy or fructose corn by-products in nearly everything. People can hardly pay for their food as it is, if factory farming is eliminated without replacement farming then the price of food would be outrageous and only available to ultra rich.

All the high tech corporations poof gone. . . broken . . . . so are the computers, cell phones, fancy tv’s, music, games. More than this all the technology that is involved in the medical field, all the technology that keeps people alive or able to live better lives. . . . . on and on.

So when we narrow mindedly (imo) desire or wish something such as eliminating all corporations and subsidiaries, we fail to acknowledge exactly what that means to most of humanity. The absolute horrible consequences of desires that are not fully thought through.

I see these type threads pop-up quite often and more than the threads are whenever (what we call) the elite, tptb, controllers, cabal etc; discussed it is more often than not with vile hatred. This hatred serves no purpose other than to cause irrational knee jerk reactions and blind thought patterns.

Activism (imo) is rarely successful because of this very thing. Meaning, a lack of complete and thorough evaluation and understanding of the whole concept or reason for the way things are done or their existence.

So much energy and thought are put into how to eliminate ideals such as big corporations or the elite but little to no thought or energy are put into what to put in their place to either continue on with the things they provide or even if they should truly be eliminated.

A couple months back Cjay started this thread.
http://http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52523-ANNOUNCEMENT-Huge-Scale-Environmental-and-Humanitarian-Projects-to-Repair-The-Earth

I respect and honor his endeavor in everyway and truly wish him great success. I am sure many feel I threw cold water on his project when I brought up the fact the Biochar is technology created by Monsanto and subsidiaries and Cjay even admitted that he was aware of this fact. But any discussion stopped there, because (I suppose) that most can’t even fathom why Monsanto would be behind this technology and the only discussion was that Monsanto was trying to ‘take over’ and squelch the further advancement of the Biochar Initiative. This is not true by the way, but I’m fairly certain that trying to expand on the truth of Monsanto’s involvement would be met with great resistance and outrage. So I don’t pursue.

Perhaps someday we can stop having knee jerk reactions and illogical proposals, but apparently it won’t be anytime soon.



P.S. I am not including Dennis’ Reset Button idea in my assessment. Largely because I first greatly respect Dennis and know he has given great thought and consideration to his philosophy and also because I have not read or studied his document.

[ThePythonicCow]

So when we narrow mindedly (imo) desire or wish something such as eliminating all corporations and subsidiaries, we fail to acknowledge exactly what that means to most of humanity. The absolute horrible consequences of desires that are not fully thought through.
I'm thinking this might be rather like having liver cancer.

You can't just declare your liver evil and remove it ... you won't last long that way.

Nor should you declare the cancer a "good" thing because it is all entangled with vital functions.

Rather you have to find ways to distinguish and disentangle the two, removing the cancer and restoring the health of the liver.

Monsanto has become just as entangled with vital functions of nourishment in our civilization as a serious case of liver cancer in the body.

How do we distinguish and disentangle the good from the bad here, so we can identify ways to remove or dramatically reduce the bad?

[Dennis Leahy]

...Since we have voluntarily given all of our assets, and our labor and energy to the public trust, we are employees and subject to all the rules and regulations of the corporate entity. How can employees tell the corporation what to do?

Until we start acting as the creditors we are in the private trust, I'm not sure how we will compel the corporatocracy to change their ways...We know for sure that those currently in power (and I don't mean the specific 535 congresspersons, but rather the institution of corporatocracy, driven by Big Money, using the D and R parties as their filtering mechanism to wield complete electoral control) will NOT do anything about this problem. To them, it ain't broken, and so they wont try to fix it.

The only chance for any real reforms, citizen-centric and eco-centric reforms (including reforming the entire US legal system, the entire US judicial system, and negating/dismissing the USA, Inc. corporate charter), is in ousting the minions of corporatocracy from control - and getting ordinary citizens into all elected and appointed positions. We must not stand outside the castle walls shouting any more. We have to inhabit the castle and open all the windows and doors. That's the first step.

The "Phase I" of the Reset Button is not the entire answer to all questions/problems in governance - it is the first and most critical step.

---------- I wrote that ^ a few hours ago and went off on other things. Now I'm back and before posting this, I'll add a note to blufire as well:

I take the "breaking the backs of corporations" phrase as taming rather than disintegration. Regulating corporations to prevent them from outrageous malevolence - not in bankrupting them. Since when does a company that manufactures plows or paper or food have to also run the government? Are we saying that when a business gets to a certain size, that they deserve exemptions from sanity and be allowed to control outside their corporations? Corporations have vastly overstepped the bounds of large manufacturing/distribution companies.

Not only does the environment need to be protected from the actions of corporations, and not only do citizens need to be protected from the actions of corporations, businesses (including corporations) need to be protected from the actions of other corporations.

For example, the world needs steel. The US used to be good at making steel, but we were terrible polluters. Rather than fix the industry by retrofitting foundries/smelters with expensive scrubbers to make them environmentally sound, and raise the price of domestic steel accordingly (protected with tariffs to ensure against other nations "dumping" steel in the US), the folks near the top of the pyramid decided to exploit workers in China and allow vast pollution in Chinese skies (of course, these are the Earth's skies) and allow the US steel industry to die. Not all environmentalists have such tunnel vision that they would consider it a US victory (to move the problem elsewhere.)

The US steel industry corporations had in-turn been purchased by larger corporate conglomerates that (in predictably sociopathic ways) didn't care about the issues of a nation losing an important industry for self-sufficiency and maintaining infrastructure, didn't care about job losses in the US and the resulting extreme degradation of entire sections of the US that had a steel economy, didn't care about pollution (and the Chinese didn't have to even abide by standards like the US Clean Air act, and they didn't, and so they create even more pollution per ton of steel produced than the dirty US foundries/smelters were.) Nothing matters except corporate profits. Nothing.

If ordinary US citizens were in all elected and appointed positions (Congress and all regulatory agencies, particularly in this case), there would have been no national motivation to act the way the mega-corporation did, and actions taken would be citizen-centric and eco-centric. [My follow-through on this example is that the US would have a thriving, environmentally sound, domestic steel industry, and steel would cost a bit more (some nations and businesses with conscience might even pay the higher price for steel on the world market, the same way that some opt to buy fair-traded goods now.)]

Citizens and the environment need to be protected from the actions of corporations. Corporations need to be protected from the actions of mega-corporate conglomerates/international banking consortia. All of this is hot air coming from citizens standing outside the castle walls with protest signs.

Dennis

[Arrowwind]

Except in Ice Land and Ecuador.

Could you please provide links as to how Iceland and Ecuador defaulted on their debt to the global trust, how the people regained their sovereign status, how they dissolved the corporate trust,.

I cant say that they have done all that you request but this movie by Oliver Stone called South of the Border is quite revealing and details what Ecquador has been doing.. available on netflix.
and here on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2IC3G1X8I
After watching this movie you will understand why countries in South America have become the enemy. They are refusing to be controlled and as they wake up they are taking their power back. If there is any place to go to run and hide its somewhere in South America... perhaps like Bill did..

Regarding Ice Land... they had the guts to say no to bankers.
http://isearch.avg.com/pages/abt/pt/search.aspx?cid=%7B8607588F-1335-4C05-8B8F-D7E071D0EF24%7D&mid=9791eb989f2b47d19537d15775a27c76-893ad2b44f4c13ebd52fb6a4e4ebc198f91ac9d3&lang=en&ds=AVG&pr=fr&d=2012-10-18%2008:17:25&v=13.2.0.5&sap=tr&q=ice%20land%20throws%20the%20bankers%20out&tc=test2

Mexico once made a stab at it by throwing Standard Oil (Rockefeller) out of the nation and nationalizing the oil industry.
Im not saying that this movement was fully successful but you can afford gasoline there ... half the price we pay here because of the good deal, equitible deal, they give their own people.

then the movie both on netflix and youtube called "Blue Gold" documents the canning of Bechtel, who had water rights in Boliva and enslaved the people to exhorbitant water prices.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKcf-RBHirw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKcf-RBHirw)

We could throw out Exxon from America soil and waters and take over the oil industry in the insterest of the American people. Instead we let them rape our earth, rape us with high prices and take the profits out of our nation. To me that any company can 'own' a nations national resources and profit on it is a crime, but we allow it. Exxon does the same in other nations, even worse they do... Nigeria is a good example if I remember correctly

[Arrowwind]

[
Citizens and the environment need to be protected from the actions of corporations. Corporations need to be protected from the actions of mega-corporate conglomerates/international banking consortia. All of this is hot air coming from citizens standing outside the castle walls with protest signs.

DennisThank you Dennis for this most sane and complete response. I would only add one thing... Small business needs protection from corporations.

[gripreaper]

Thanks for the links. I will look into them in the next few days.


We could throw out Exxon from American soil and waters and take over the oil industry in the interest of the American people. Instead we let them rape our earth and us with high prices and take the profits out of our nation.

Well, the Bakken oil field in North Dakota, is said to be bigger and contain more oil than all of Saudi Arabia, yet there is very little chatter in the public domain about it. I don't see anybody helping the sovereign Lakota's and their rights to this oil, which is primarily on their reservation lands which they were herded and forced onto in the last century through genocide and bio weaponry.

Also, the largest oil well in Prudhoe Bay sits dormant as we speak. Exxon, or whoever has controlling interest, is playing around with the oil right under our noses, manipulating it's pricing as well as the amount of flow, where it comes from and to whom is goes. These mega global corporations have no such notions as "nationalism" as Dennis has pointed out, no heart, no soul, or any such empathic notions.

These corporations are pure globalist imperialistic narcissism. We have acquiesced to it, as the current example of the Bakken oil fields attests. So, although I am not going to go out and storm the castle walls and wave my sabre, I will stay close to this idea and this movement and play my part. What exactly that is, I am not totally sure yet.

[Dennis Leahy]

.... So, although I am not going to go out and storm the castle walls and wave my sabre, I will stay close to this idea and this movement and play my part. What exactly that is, I am not totally sure yet.The Reset Button has a glaring ommission in its "Phase II" (which will soon be renamed to remove the word "Phase"): there is no section on reform of the legal system (though there is a brief essay on judicial reform.) If only I knew someone really bright that understood admiralty/maritime and common law and could succinctly write a few paragraphs titled "Legal System Reform" for the upcoming revision 3 of The Reset Button document.

Hmmmmmmm....

:~)

Dennis

[Nat_Lee]

Hi AVALONIENS !

My answer is simple !
So simple that you all can make it ....

Stop buying new stuff from companies or corporations, buy from poeple on craigslist: http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/, Kijiji: http://montreal.kijiji.ca/, ebay: http://www.ebay.ca/ ect....
Or in places like ''Salvation Army'' or flee market or garage sales.....
Just try it for 6 month... Go for recycled material or use clothes.....
Exept for food.... Old food = not good ! lol..... But growing a garden can help ;)

JUST STOPPPpppppppppppppppp buying NEW stuffffffffffffff !
EASY no ?

Love to you all !

[Arrowwind]

We realize the need to stop purchasing from most corporations but the desired effect will not be obtained until sufficient numbers of people agree to do it and then do it.

Dennis, you may want to watch this movie I just watched this evening on netflix, as well as the ones I posted a few posts up. It may help you with your ideas for phase 11 If you dont have netflix look for it on youtube.. its called "Ecuador" and it outlines what this naiton is doing and what they think of socializm, the IMF and a world view for making the quality of life better. Ecuador has been though the mill with bad guys in government and the imposition of debt. I think we can all benefit by listening to what they have to say.

[SnowyOwl]

When you pour your buying power to b ig corps you empower them. Stop feeding the beast Buying is voting

[Arrowwind]

Well, the Bakken oil field in North Dakota, is said to be bigger and contain more oil than all of Saudi Arabia, yet there is very little chatter in the public domain about it. .

I have tried to talk this up in different forums. I have two friends who are well drillers.. they spent their younger years drilling in Wyoming, the Dakotas and Montana. They know that there is a ton of oil down there. They were ordered to cap the wells and keep their mouths shut. There is a oil boom going on now in Montana and the Dakotas opening these wells.
http://grist.org/news/how-montanas-boom-has-turned-railroads-into-an-oil-pipeline/ (http://grist.org/news/how-montanas-boom-has-turned-railroads-into-an-oil-pipeline/)
and this older article. The oil rush is well on these days. Lots of work up there if you want it. Not just in oil but all kinds of work. Medical especially. 8,000 jobs in one town alone , I think it might have been Stanley North Dakota
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/us/01dakota.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

[steveofengland]

Two sites for getting free "stuff" in the uk first there is freecycle.

The Freecycle Network™ is made up of 5,082 groups with 9,284,421 members around the world. It's a grassroots and entirely nonprofit movement of people who are giving (and getting) stuff for free in their own towns. It's all about reuse and keeping good stuff out of landfills. Each local group is moderated by local volunteers (them's good people). Membership is free. To sign up, find your community by entering it into the search box above or by clicking on 'Browse Groups' above the search box. http://www.freecycle.org/

And second is freegle, Don’t throw it away – give it away on Freegle! You might not need that old sofa or wheelbarrow any more – but there might be someone just round the corner who does. Or if there’s something you’d like, someone nearby might have one.
Lurking in sheds, attics and cupboards all over the UK are items that are too good to throw away, but are not loved or needed anymore. Freegle online groups can help!
There are 1,400,527 Freegle members in 370 reuse groups all over the UK

http://www.ilovefreegle.org/

[Arrowwind]

So when we narrow mindedly (imo) desire or wish something such as eliminating all corporations and subsidiaries, we fail to acknowledge exactly what that means to most of humanity. The absolute horrible consequences of desires that are not fully thought through.
I'm thinking this might be rather like having liver cancer.

You can't just declare your liver evil and remove it ... you won't last long that way.

Nor should you declare the cancer a "good" thing because it is all entangled with vital functions.

Rather you have to find ways to distinguish and disentangle the two, removing the cancer and restoring the health of the liver.

Monsanto has become just as entangled with vital functions of nourishment in our civilization as a serious case of liver cancer in the body.

How do we distinguish and disentangle the good from the bad here, so we can identify ways to remove or dramatically reduce the bad?

So far the amount of food that Monsanto produces is only a small fraction. In one nation where they tried to take over they got ousted for causing starvation. Now India and just giant swaths of its nation declaired Monsnato free and they are the better for it, not worse. Monsanto did evil to these people.

Evil, greed, and control is never right even though is seems that some 'common folk' may prosper for a time. In the end this darkenss destroys freedom and the will to live and the will to create a just society. Two wrongs never make a right.

[Arrowwind]

Two sites for getting free "stuff" in the uk first there is freecycle.

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In our town we have a thrift store that sells pretty nice stuff for pretty cheap. The proceeds go to fund a local food bank. I dont buy much stuff these days but if I do I look there first, along with Deseret Industires when Im in the big city.. that Mormon thrift that helps new immigrants to the USa get on their feet.

Many years ago almost all my clothing came from the local freebox that were always around in California but I've never seen them around anywhere else. Everything was so wasted when I was done with it I never really had much to put in the box

[4evrneo]

Found this site yesterday and hope to see more of this kind of thing happening everywhere. It is a trade exchange for services and products, using trade dollars instead of cash. My daughter told me about it recently and the veterinary clinic she works at is a member. Pretty awesome idea !

http://www.arizonatradeexchange.com/

Barter is the way to go :)

[Arrowwind]

I spent yesterday with some friends and read to them the Reset Button, in petition form. They thought is was great. I just want folks to know that I am working on this still. I got sidetracked with putting together a proposal to our county commissioners to fortify the second ammendment here. That turned into a bigger project than I anticipated with lots of emails going out.

While reading I picked up on a number or grammer typos that I fixed and they should be fixed in the original document too... Dennis. Reading it aloud will bring them to your attention, I think.

For new people to this thread you will want to read the www.resetbutton2012.org (http://www.resetbutton2012.org) site. The two documents if interest are there in pdf form... as well as reviewing this thread as it discusses puting the reset button document into an active peition form to help awaken the masses who would not likely have had contact with this information

You might want to take a look at what I got side tracked with and I have explained it on this thread... which got really no attention here on the forum. I wish I could over being surprised that threads that call for an action here on Avelon generally get ignored. see. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53996-Pennsylvania-Police-Chief-Proposes---2nd-Amendment-Preservation---Ordinance

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[Dennis Leahy]

While reading I picked up on a number or grammer typos that I fixed and they should be fixed in the original document too... Dennis. Reading it aloud will bring them to your attention, I think.

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Yes, it was created in Open Office (now called Libre Office), which surprisingly allowed a lot of typos, from misspellings to grammar errors, to sneak through. A careful read by a friend of mine revealed a whole list of typos and grammar mistakes, and I got about halfway through going through the entire Rev.2 document making repairs.

Revision 3 will come soon. (With those typo fixes, rewording of the "Phase I, Phase II" concept to further clarify that what is in the second part are essays that candidates would need to respond to, not agree with... the addition of "Envirolene" higher mixed alcohol fuel made from trash in the Energy section, the addition of "bio-char" in the Agriculture section... and if Gripreaper takes the hint, a new section on Legal System Reform.)

Dennis