How the New Age was deliberately sold to the Sixties generation, to bring in a New World Order

[Ishtar]

This post is about how the New Age movement, leading to an Age of Aquarius, was deliberately sold to the Sixties generation by eugenicists and social engineers with links to the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers and the Council of Foreign Relations.

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Man needs his own stories and his own dreams to create his own reality. Instead, we have given away this right to others who want to weave our stories for us ~ stories that suit their own agendas. Even New Age gurus have stolen this right from us, as they pack out auditoriums and sell millions of books based merely on the one or two astral journeys they once took, years ago, with no spiritual training whatsoever, and from which, in their demiurge-like arrogance, they’ve brought back messages for the world, like Moses coming down from the mountain.

Thousands are fooled into believing that by hanging on to every word of these New Age gurus they will achieve enlightenment or ascension. Instead, these false prophets fill us with fear about global catastrophes and deadlines for ET invasions that pass uneventfully and unremarked, as by then, we are already on to the next deadline, the next Great Overhanging Fear that, like the two pillars of the Children of Israel, permeates our conscious mind during the day through “the news”, while our nights are full of terrors after being programmed with rape and violence via our flickering screens.

Not one of these New Age gurus is standing up and saying “I have no message for you other than to show the means to get your own messages, through which you will be able to live your own dreams.” That’s because, in my opinion, the whole New Age movement has been hijacked (if not originally invented) by those dream-stealing eugenicists who want to create a new world order through the ruins of the old one, which global conflagration they are also trying to cause.

I say ‘if not invented’ because there seems to have been a deliberate plan to break down society through the beliefs and practises of a so-called “New Age” which has been orchestrated from the shadow world government.

Most of what New Age gurus peddle has its original source in the philosophy of Victorian theosophy, most notably the thinking of the Russian Madame Helene Blavatsky whose ‘theories’ about Atlantis and the five root races of man bears no resemblance to what’s been found in the archaeological record and through the study of genetics.

All the ideas about the seven rays, the solar logos, the galactic logos, and the Pleiades etc came from her and one of her avid followers, the prodigious writer, Alice Bailey.


Madame Helen Blavatsky
http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/blavatsky.jpg?w=618

Alice Bailey
http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/alice-bailey.jpg?w=618


In 1920, Alice Bailey set up the Lucifer Publishing Company. Two years later, she changed the name to the Lucis Trust, which retained the aim of bringing in a new world order of civilisation centred around the worship of Lucifer. She claimed to be guided by an ascended master who told her that the Second World War was necessary because it was the will of God. I guess this ‘ascended master’ was confusing God with Jehovah! Or he had read the Palladian Rite of Freemasons (reference below).

Alice Bailey wrote about how the existing order would have to be deliberately smashed before people would open their hearts to a new one. She also wrote that this work was already ongoing and being guided by spiritual entities ~ in my view, the same astral entities that the highest reaches of Freemasonry have created on the astral planes, the ones they sacrifice children to.

The Lucis Trust today enjoys consultative status with the United Nations and has a seat at the weekly meetings where members can consult with the most influential and powerful movers and shakers on the planet. The Lucis Trust claims to be “aggressively involved with the promotion of a globalist ideology” through its links with the Bilderbergs, the Council of Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission.

In Bailey’s book, The Externalisation of the Hierarchy, there is a chapter which deals with preparing the people for one world governance, entitled Steps Towards the New World Order. In another section, The Problem of Governance, she lays out the idea of dividing the world into three blocks. This was later adopted by the Trilateral Commission. She says:

“Coming to the realm of government, under the new world order, one is faced with a very complex situation… Various basic trends are appearing which, in the new world order, will unfold into that major synthesis so much desired by the spiritual hierarchy of the planet.”

Namely, she means, Order from Chaos… that is, after they have created the Chaos.

These people profess to support the evolution of the species ~ in fact, it is their raison d’etre and why they had earlier supported Darwin. But I wonder how deluded you have to be to believe that a species can evolve naturally when its development is being deliberately straightjacketed according to a plan hatched by unenlightened and Machiavellian eugenicists and social engineers of another century, who believe they have the right to kill millions of peoples in their wars, in order to achieve their desired Utopia?

The biggest delusion of the New Agers is that they so often think that their lifestyles and beliefs are an act of rebellion, and a sign that they are an independent thinker when, in fact, it is the very opposite. By buying into these bogus belief systems, their minds and their judgement is being destroyed so that they cannot hear the ankle manacle chains clanking as they’re led into a stinking prison cell on Desolation Row.

Far from being a grass roots movement, the New Age was a deliberate operation hatched up by the likes of the occultist Aleister Crowley, rocket man Jack Parsons, Professor Tim Leary, Aldous Huxley, and L Ron Hubbard with the help of the CIA and NASA, and backed up by phalanxes of science fiction writers. Even the term “New Age” was apparently coined by the Scottish Rite of Freemasons.

There was a cabal in California that deliberately cultivated Mount Shasta as a New Age centre, while the drugs for the Children of the Revolution were helpfully supplied by the CIA. (See further reading below for more on the above).

The Sixties saw the first stages of the Chaos part of the project, as families could not hold together against the onslaught of drugs and the ‘free love’ they told us was de rigeur to be free and liberated ~ especially when the marijuana and LSD turned to heroin and cocaine. It continues today with drug pushers waiting outside the school playgrounds and children swapping internet porn photos on their mobile phones while the international scandal of large-scale child and drug trafficking appears to operate above the law.

All this has come about because we have allowed others to tell us what life is meant to be like and what freedom means, instead of discovering it for ourselves.

The prophets of the New Age are wolves in the sheep’s clothing and they are leading their lambs to the slaughter. As the Dylan-man says, they lead us to..

Between the windows of the sea

Where lovely mermaids flow.

And nobody has to think too much

About Desolation Row.

I’m not a New Age guru, but if I had a message for 2013, it would be this:

“I have no message for you from the spirits, except that I can show you the means whereby you can get your own messages from that same interdimensional source, way above the astral planes where so many New Age gurus and Freemasons are trapped in their delusions.

“I, along with many other shamanic practitioners, can show you the means whereby you can get to live your own dreams, rather than that of some outdated ‘ascended master’ on the astral planes.

“In this way, you will meet various aspects of the Divine Feminine as well as the Divine Masculine, which will bring your life and your body-world into balance, and you will stand in your own power where no-one will ever be able to tell you ever again what to think and what to believe.

“That, to me, is true freedom.”

Happy New Year!

FURTHER READING


In Defence of Babylon: The Palladian Rite of Freemasons (http://www.academia.edu/2342014/In_Defence_of_Babylon_The_Palladian_Rite_of_Freemasons)

Agenda 21: A blueprint for global slavery (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3331-Agenda-21-A-blueprint-for-global-slavery)


How the Huxleys were Instrumental in Mind Programming and Eugenics (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3526-How-the-Huxleys-were-at-the-root-of-CIA-mind-programming-and-human-eugenics)

Mount Shasta and the Origins of the New Age (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3447-Mt-Shasta-and-the-Origins-of-the-New-Age) (by Cartomancer)

The Entertainment Division of the Industrial-Military Complex (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3086-The-Entertainment-Division-of-the-Military-Industrial-Complex)

[WhiteFeather]

If religion is a trap and new age is deceptive and misleading. What recourse do we need to utilize or find value in. Meditating and connecting with nature seems to be my path of late. I guess imjust a newbie. And BTW....My question is for all visiting this thread posted by Ishtar. Ishtar if you would like to answer i would appreciate your thoughts here. Whats next? Where do we go now? Turning to innerself perhaps. No need for teachers maybe.

[Ishtar]

Hi Whitefeather,

Perhaps I should have explained further in my New Year message at the end.

If you would like to read it again, I'll put it here and then explain further.

I’m not a New Age guru, but if I had a message for 2013, it would be this:

“I have no message for you from the spirits, except that I can show you the means whereby you can get your own messages from that same interdimensional source, way above the astral planes where so many New Age gurus and Freemasons are trapped in their delusions.

“I, along with many other shamanic practitioners, can show you the means whereby you can get to live your own dreams, rather than that of some outdated ‘ascended master’ on the astral planes.

“In this way, you will meet various aspects of the Divine Feminine as well as the Divine Masculine, which will bring your life and your body-world into balance, and you will stand in your own power where no-one will ever be able to tell you ever again what to think and what to believe.

“That, to me, is true freedom.”

As a shaman, or shamanic practitioner as some prefer to say, I teach people how to journey in trance to way above and beyond the astral planes, which are the low places where these demiurgic and deluded entities have been created by human occult magicians at the behest of Freemasonic groups, otherwise known as the Illuminati.

The shaman journeys to dimensions which are created not by the thought forms of man, like the astral planes are, but by the really powerful spirits, who supply the shamanic practitioner with guidance and information which, in my experience, is never wrong or faulty and always has the best interests of all at heart.

Anyone can learn how to do this. It is our birthright.

A large part of the work of Ishtar's Gate is to show, through the research fields of archaeology, mythology, archaeastronomy, sacred geometry, rock art and other disciplines, that our earliest ancestors were naturally gifted to be able to do this. When we first started in 2008, this was news to a lot of people, but now more and more are getting this message, and it's becoming more accepted, even in academia.

This happy state has been stolen from mankind over the millennia by first religion and then science, which is largely just another form of religion, as many scientific beliefs are unproven and depend upon one another like a series of uncashed cheques. The New Age movement is just another religion, which depends upon a belief system that can never be independently verified. You just have to along with it. Go along to get along.

So many people who think of themselves as "spiritual" have never actually met a spirit face-to-face. Shamans have, and do quite regularly, and they can teach others how to do it.

What the global elite have done is to build up energetic templates on the astral planes where they have installed their false gods which seem to require a lot of blood to be spilt. The real spirits in the dimensions beyond the astral, as I've been describing, have been helping the shamans to smash up these templates ... and although it takes a while for the results to percolate down to here, we're already seeing signs of it because so many people are beginning to 'wake up'.

So to answer your question, anyone can be taught to do what I do, and I teach people to do it all the time. If you can journey yourself and meet face to face with your own spirit guides, then no-one can ever tell you again that they know better than you what you should do. In this way, you reclaim your own dreams, your own birthright and your own power.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Re: "This post is about how the New Age movement, leading to an Age of Aquarius, was deliberately sold to the Sixties generation by eugenicists and social engineers with links to the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers and the Council of Foreign Relations."

If there ever was such a plan, it seriously backfired on its originators. I say this as a former "hippie" who got swept up in the social foment of the 60s & 70s and emerged as an awakened soul. I am one of many thousands of similar people. Surely the cabal's dark forces did not have spiritual awakening in mind with an "Age of Aquarius". Experimentation with mind-altering drugs was part of the social context, and lead directly to many of us, including one Deepak Chopra, to achieve personal epiphanies about the existences of alternate realities. If anything, the reactionary forces that were set into motion to stifle the Age of Aquarius have lead to the current campaign of fear and loathing. Fortunately, despite their best efforts, the Geni has resisted all efforts to be shoved back into the lamp.

I stand by the statement that the Age of Aquarius was a positive breakthrough by humanity's spirit.

Peace, man. ;)

B.

[WhiteFeather]

Thank You Ishtar. A 5 Star Answer IMO. And probably the answer i was desiring. This answer actually came from within as well. But The words seemed a tad jumbled. Thanks for the words. And My apologies i did not read the thread fully. :o

[Flowerpunkchip]

I maintain that truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or coerce people along a particular path. ... This is no magnificent deed, because I do not want followers, and I mean this. The moment you follow someone you cease to follow Truth. I am not concerned whether you pay attention to what I say or not. I want to do a certain thing in the world and I am going to do it with unwavering concentration. I am concerning myself with only one essential thing: to set man free. I desire to free him from all cages, from all fears, and not to found religions, new sects, nor to establish new theories and new philosophies.
- Jiddu Krishnamurti





BRIAN: Look. You've got it all wrong. You don't need to follow me. You don't need to follow anybody! You've got to think for yourselves. You're all individuals!

FOLLOWERS: Yes, we're all individuals!

BRIAN: You're all different!

FOLLOWERS: Yes, we are all different!

DENNIS: I'm not.

ARTHUR: Shhhh.

FOLLOWERS: Shh. Shhhh. Shhh.

BRIAN: You've all got to work it out for yourselves!

FOLLOWERS: Yes! We've got to work it out for ourselves!

BRIAN: Exactly!

FOLLOWERS: Tell us more!

BRIAN: No! That's the point! Don't let anyone tell you what to do! Otherwise--

[trenairio]

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[Ishtar]

Hi Trenairo, just to clarify, I'm not writing about the Babyboomers and the New Age movement as a social scientist, objectively, from the outside. I was at the very first Glastonbury festival, six months pregnant at the time and on mescalin. I lived in an old, huge Georgian house on Blackheath with around 10 other street theatre musicians, and we used to perform in Portobello Road and other places like that. After that, we Iived in the depths of Cornwall where we grew all our own veggies and also some very strong dope from Uganda which got you high for days with just two tokes on the joint. I could go on ... but this is just to give the flavour.

In other words, I was a member of this MKULTRA experiment writ large, and I've been recently trying to deprogram myself, to sort out which is their stuff, and which is my stuff. In other words, what were the real spiritual experiences that are mine and precious to me, and which were the astrally-induced hallucinations. I've had to do this as a shaman to reclaim my own power, so that I can be my own sovereign person instead of being deluded into being their idea of 'me'.

Somebody wrote about Deepak Chopra: I used to know him quite well, although haven't seen him since 1996 when I visited him in San Diego. He in no way attributes his "enlightened" state to drugs but to meditation, that he learned through the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I don't know for sure, but knowing the man then, I doubt that he had ever taken so much as a magic mushroom.

Last time I saw him, he admitted to me that he was very unhappy because he felt pulled from the path by his fame, and his new friends among the Hollywood crowd. I feel slightly disloyal saying this, but I will... he seemed in a very dark place. To me, he'd become just another New Age guru ~ great at telling other people how to live, but unable to offer any really fresh, nourishing fruit because the tree itself was rotten. At that time, he appeared to be an example of someone that could talk to talk, but not actually walk the walk. Still, his books were flying out of the shops, and people were quoting him right and left because people are in the habit of having other people tell them what to do.

Looking back now, with hindsight, I'd say that Deepak had come under Hollywood 'handlers'. It's difficult to be that successful on the world stage or to achieve fame, if that is what you seek, without having 'handlers' and being directed.

I meditated under the aegis of various gurus and ashrams for more than 30 years before discovering shamanism. I also spent a lot of time in an ashram in India. I would say in all that time, I had one or two 'amazing experiences' but I never met any spirits.

Meditation is great for calming the mind and bringing down the blood pressure. It also gives a wonderful sense of wellbeing, peace, generosity of spirit and clarity of thinking. I can really recommend it. But if you want to really be 'spiritual', you need to actually meet spirits face to face, to get their guidance, and that's what shamanism offers.

[Maunagarjana]

I disagree with most of what you've written here, but not all. Mostly because I feel the New Age movement is very diverse, drawing inspiration not just from the past but from the present in many different forms. Also because Leary and Huxley I consider to be heroes and I dislike that you've woven them into your Luciferian narrative. But thanks for sharing, Ishtar.

[Ishtar]

That's the trouble with having heroes, Maunagarjana. They often turn out to have clay feet. ;)

[Maunagarjana]

That's the trouble with having heroes, Maunagarjana. They often turn out to have clay feet. ;)

I've read a great deal of their writings and have studied their lives in detail. They are by no means perfect or easy to understand individuals. Unfortunately, they are fairly easy to malign, especially for people who do not have their facts straight.

Huxley, while his family was involved in certain unsavory social currents of the upper class, he had set out to expose what he had learned. This is where you get Brave New World. This was a dystopian sci-fi novel based on the ideas he had learned while in contact with certain individuals associated with the Fabian Society. Maybe you should read this letter that Huxley had written to George Orwell, congratulating him on publishing 1984. http://io9.com/5890861/read-aldous-huxleys-review-of-1984-he-sent-to-george-orwell This is clearly not a man who is in favor of totalitarianism.

Huxley and Leary were completely in opposition to the dark forces you are talking about. They were firmly committed to the liberation of humanity. I completely reject any ideas they were part of some kind of MKUltra experiment on the masses. I believe that the CIA had intended to try something like that, but that it got out of hand and actually backfired. Then they tried to radicalize those who had taken a left wing bent, and those of a more mystical mindset who fell away from the drug use, those were the ones who flocked into the New Age movement, which to my mind is a very mixed bag.

Remember that Leary was good friends with Robert Anton Wilson, who for most of his life wrote about the Illuminati and tried to expose their existence and their aims. He did more than anyone during the 70's and 80's and up until his death to make people aware of these negative agendas. Leary was in complete opposition to what you are talking about. His aim was to try to deprogram the masses and teach them to think for themselves.

[Ishtar]

That they were being 'handled' by the CIA, who were supporting the distribution of the LSD, is well-documented, Maunagarjana. I'm surprised you didn't come across it...

[Lettherebelight]

I would definitely say that that although the Luciferian faction was part of the awakening of consciousness of the sixties, they were certainly not the cause of it.

Rather, they rode piggy back on the energy tide (they're good at that) and established their agenda, in separately in institutions like the Church of Satan. They also influenced by infiltration, legitimate movements of higher consciousness to limit their effectiveness; The Hare Krsna movement is one case in point.

Would you agree with this?

[Maunagarjana]

That they were being 'handled' by the CIA, who were supporting the distribution of the LSD, is well-documented, Maunagarjana. I'm surprised you didn't come across it...

The CIA tried to control them, sure. They failed. Leary ended up doing more to wake people up than anyone in the 20th century.

I added more to my post above, have a look.

[Fred Steeves]

Looking back now, with hindsight, I'd say that Deepak had come under Hollywood 'handlers'. It's difficult to be that successful on the world stage or to achieve fame, if that is what you seek, without having 'handlers' and being directed.


Hi Ishtar, I'm glad to see someone else point out that Deepak is not all, or even near what he's cracked up to be. Perhaps he was at one time, and I even cut my new spiritual teeth on his books when first starting down this path, but the Deepak I've seen the last several years is not someone who even comes close to making my recommended reading/listening list.

[Ishtar]

Just a quick answer to some of the more recent replies.

Members of this forum know more than any others about how the pyramid system works. When I show how the initial spurt for this movement is Luciferian, therefore, it does not mean that I think that Leary and Huxley were also necessarily Luciferian in the leanings, or that they didn't have the best of intentions of everyone at heart. But they were being 'managed' via the Esalen Institute, as was the whole movement, and those managing used the philosophies of Luciferians as the basis for some aspects of New Age spirituality, which even goes on today.

There are still New Age ceremonialists and ascensionists that work with ideas about the seven rays, the solar logus and the galactic logos, and the Pleiades, and many more of those ideas that first found their genesis in the writings of Madame Blavatsky and Alice Bailey, who wanted to bring in the New World Order on Earth, centred around the worship of Lucifer. The Lucis Trust, which has influence with the United Nations, still does want to bring in that order, and we see the results of the necessary chaos part of the project being instituted around us everyday.

Certainly here in England, and I hear also in America from friends there, our politicians are either incredibly stupid or they have another agenda to the one they espouse. I believe it's the latter and that we are in the final stages of the Chaos section of the project, which began with the Luciferian Trust (and others) who used to Sixties to begin the takedown with the psychedelic movement.

I would agree with Lettherebelight, in that the controllers are trying to ride a wave that exists anyway, and to bend it to their will. They knew about the change in the Earth energies that began in about 1998 and which will culminate in 2020-something, that will bring in a new age naturally and, if works, will render all their cyborgs on the astral planes redundant. (See 2013: The Return of the Divine Feminine (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3810-2013-The-Rebirth-of-Venus-and-the-Return-of-the-Divine-Feminine)) But if there is to be a genuine new age awakening, it will only be brought about by people becoming self-empowered and enlightened through their own efforts of self-realisation, and not at the behest of some New Age guru who frankly, in most cases, is immature, if not infantile, in their own spiritual development, and under the control of the elite's handlers.

We also know from the accounts of those who underwent MKULTRA programming that the delusion that comes from taking psychedelic drugs can be very powerful. I believe that these drugs only get us in touch with the astral planes, and they can dress up any energetic template there to look and sound like Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, Ra (David Wilcock's), Rakorski (David Icke's)... any god you like. Even their "Lucifer" is just one of these energetic scarecrows got up to look and sound like how they imagine Lucifer would be. But we need to go much further than those illusory planes (which, in parts, are largely dominated by the occult conjurers). We need to transcend them in order to regain our own power and our own true spiritual experiences which are not under their influence but are found in the realms of the true wholly spirits.

This kind of self-realisation is only available to the intrepid traveller who's not afraid to explore their inner self and their own inner space and to learn from their own spirit guides, not from somebody else's journeys or spirit guides. It also requires courage to stand up against the tide through knowing and owning your own truth and your own dreams, instead of someone else's.

[Maunagarjana]

Ishtar, your views on psychedelics I find to be very distorted. I suspect that maybe you had some bad experiences with them, which is unfortunate. But I completely disagree with your characterization of their effects and what you might be able to access with them. I consider them to be very powerful psychological and spiritual tools, and they work mainly as amplifiers of the human psyche. You are partly right in that most of what people access when it comes to entities and such is of the astral planes and templates and so forth. I'm not sure why you feel compelled to characterize these things in such a profoundly negative way, but my guess is, as I've already said, you've had some bad experiences that have colored your perspective.

I'm not going to address all of your accusations above, mostly because many of them make me laugh and despair at being able to "talk you down" from them (to put it in 60s psychedelia-speak.) It seems to me you like to paint with a very broad brush and in doing so can jump to some pretty wild conclusions, breathtakingly so. I think you have dug up a great deal of interesting information, and I do appreciate what you do, but I guess I just disagree in some respects with the way you interpret the information at times. Anyway, I have voiced my objections and will leave you to your thread.

[Ishtar]

Maunagarjana, you're making assumptions that are not correct. I had lots of brilliantly amazing trips into the astral planes using all sorts of substances including LSD, mescalin and 'magic mushrooms' (my fave!). On my first LSD trip, I got thrown out of Canterbury Cathedral because I couldn't stop laughing with utter joy, and it was disturbing the church service! ;)

It is only now as a shaman, that I have journeyed much further and deeper than I was able to on psychotropic drugs, and so can put those trips into context ... and I can see that they were very astral, and therefore I was in the more delusionary realms and that if I wanted a true spiritual experience, I had to meet the real spirits, who exist way beyond the astral planes.

I'm sorry that you're reading my interpretation of the astral planes as a 'negative'. I'm merely pointing out that if you want to fly to Africa, you need to get on the plane and not just hang around the airport, interesting and positive as the experience of the airport may be! You may find a very interesting novel in the airport book store about Africa and get involved in it to such an extent that you miss your flight. You could even be persuaded by reading the book that you'd had "the Africa experience" and so had no further no need to get on the plane.

If you want to characterise that as 'negative', that's up to you. In any case, I don't demonise the negative. The negative is as important as the positive in achieving balance and harmony. But in this case, I'm just saying that those New Age gurus who want us to buy their books have, in the majority of cases, never journeyed further than the astral, and even then, only a couple of times. And so we need to listen more to our own wisdom instead of that of false prophets and those that are being 'handled' to program our thinking so that they can more easily bring in a new world order.

I'm sorry if I've offended you.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Thank you, Ishtar.

[Maunagarjana]

Maunagarjana, you're making assumptions that are not correct. I had lots of brilliantly amazing trips into the astral planes using all sorts of substances including LSD, mescalin and 'magic mushroom's (my fave!). On my first LSD trip, I got thrown out of Canterbury Cathedral because I couldn't stop laughing with utter joy! ;)

Okay, that's good to know. I'm sorry for jumping to a wild conclusion (what I was accusing you of doing, lol.)


It is only now as a shaman, that I have journeyed much further and deeper than I was able to on psychotropic drugs, and so can put those trips into context ... and I can see that they were very astral, and therefore I was in the more delusionary realms and that if I wanted a true spiritual experience, I had to meet the real spirits, who exist way beyond the astral planes.

I don't disagree with this fundamentally, but I guess I would disagree that you can't do this while on psychedelics. My contention would be, if you can do this sober, you can do it in any place within the whole spectrum of consciousness.


I'm sorry that you're reading my interpretation of the astral planes as a 'negative'.

I guess I was focusing on your focus that seemingly positive archetypes can be adopted by negative or mischievous beings in the astral. I do not doubt this, but I think there are some very positive and benign beings out there. One should not assume that all or most of the fish in the ocean are sharks. But I think anyone venturing forth should be on their toes. To me, it's just like walking around in the city. There are dangers, but if you know how to navigate, you'll most likely be alright. Though, of course, I'm generalizing. It really depends on the person and situation.


I'm merely pointing out that if you want to fly to Africa, you need to get on the plane and not just hang around the airport, interesting and positive as the experience of the airport may be! You may find a very interesting novel in the airport book store about Africa and get involved in it to such an extent that you miss your flight. You could even be persuaded by reading the book that you'd had "the Africa experience" and so had no further no need to get on the plane.

Yeah, I think too many people do get hung up at the airport, as you say. It's hard for me to comment because I don't know the breadth of your experiences. If I knew, maybe I wouldn't be so quick to sell you short. I have had a lot of experiences myself, off and on drugs, that I have learned a lot from. I do tend to agree with Alan Watts when he said in regards to psychedelics, "When you get the message, hang up the phone." But I'm not dogmatic about it. I do know many people that I feel place too much importance on the drugs, and neglect other methods.


If you want to characterise that as 'negative', that's up to you. In any case, I don't demonise the negative. The negative is as important as the positive in achieving balance and harmony. But in this case, I'm just saying that those New Age gurus who want us to buy their books have, in the majority of cases, never journeyed further than the astral, and even then, only a couple of times.

I'm not sure who you're talking about here (Drunvalo? Wilcock?) but I'm not sure how you can be so certain about this. I mean, they could say the same about you. It's really impossible to prove such things.


And so we need to listen more to our own wisdom instead of that of false prophets and those that are being 'handled' to program our thinking so that they can more easily bring in a new world order.

I'm sorry if I've offended you.

No, no....I don't really consider myself to be easily offended. But when you're talking about Leary being "handled" by Esalen, I find this very amusing. From what I know of him, I don't think anyone could "handle" him. Especially not the creampuffs down at Esalen. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

I would however agree that in some respects there is some mind control going on in here and there in the New Age world (or to borrow a phrase from Susan Joy Rennison, "the cultic milieu".) I am a fan of George Kavassilas (though I don't agree with him on everything) and I do agree with his insistence that there are some real deceptions going on in those circles and that people need to stop giving their power away to beings, whether earthly, astral or extra-dimensional. And I suspect that's generally where you're coming from.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I agree there is alot of misleading / hijacked operatives in the alternate media.

I have seen them speak and realised when it was false or created information, however many times id managed to take away with me a few good ideas that helped my journey. I think where we find ourselves is dependant on a saviour as opposed to saving our selves. This is not healthy.

But my problem is that i consider my self a new ager but i think i got it right, at least for myself.

While i have already been beyond meeting many great spirits and brought back useful information and shared it freely, i would still like to learn your method. While i believe i have well working method i should never stop the will to learn new ones :-)

So,Ishtar, please tell us how, what steps to begin etc?

Hugs

N

[Maunagarjana]

Ishtar, what do think of Bashar? Knowing what you think about the Ra Material, I would guess you are not approving and suspect he may be a part of the negative alien agenda. Personally, I don't get that feeling. Anyhow, there is some comments he's made about DMT that you might find interesting (maybe not.) If you want to know what I think about him, I will just say that I was in the audience that is present in this video, way in the back row. :) I agree with what he has to say here:

5jtq2XrqlGM

[Ishtar]

Maunagarjana, I think we largely agree on a lot and if we actually met, and got to know one another, would agree on a lot more! ;) But I'm not interested in persuading someone to agree with me, otherwise I'd be no different to the New Age gurus I'm banging on about. I totally respect your different opinion and that your world view has been gained via authentic routes. I've just had a different route.

So that said, I'm going to dig out some references for you to look at, should you choose to, regarding the whole subject of drugs, the 60s, the CIA, Leary and Huxley. I've got them in books, so it will take a while to tease them out. But in the meantime, I thought, just for the hell of it, I'd do a quick Google on CIA+Leary and amidst a lot of bunkum and straw men arguments, I came across this little gem. It doesn't 'prove' that Leary was knowingly hand-in-glove with the CIA but it does show a certain synchronicity in how the events unravelled, and also that the CIA were interested and experimenting with LSD long before Leary did... and so that begs the question, why? I propose that it was because of all the reasons I gave in my opening post. Anyway, here it is, posted purely for interest, from Prison Planet (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=10609.0)forum.

1938 - Dr. Albert Hofmann synthesizes LSD-25

Spring 1942 - The Office of Strategic Services convenes a committee to oversee the search for a truth drug

April 16, 1943 - Hofmann accidentally discovers the hallucinogenic effects of LSD

April 19, 1943 - Hofmann undertakes the first self-experiment with LSD

September 1945 - OSS disbanded

October 1945 - US Navy Technical Mission reports on Nazi mescaline experiments at the Dachau concentration camp

1947 - CIA formed; U.S. Navy initiates mescaline studies under the auspices of Project Chatter

1947 - First report on LSD appears in a Swiss pharmacological journal

1948 - CIA authorized to undertake covert operations

1949 - Dr. Max Rinkel brings LSD to the United States from Sandoz Pharmaceuticals in Switzerland and initiates work with LSD in Boston; Nick Bercel commences LSD study in Los Angeles

1950 - CIA launches Project Bluebird

May 1950 - First article about LSD appears in the American Psychiatric Journal

1951 - Captain Al Hubbard turns on to LSD

August 1951 - The CIA's Inspection & Security Staff initiates the Artichoke Project

October 21, 1951 - First documented evidence of CIA experimentation with LSD

1952 - Dr. Humphry Osmond discloses similarity between mescaline and adrenaline molecule; begins experiments with hallucinogenic at a hospital in Saskatchewan

December 1952 - George Hunter White, on loan from the Federal Narcotics Bureau, begins administering LSD to unwitting U.S. citizens at a CIA safehouse in Greenwich Village

January 1953 - Harold Blauer dies of an overdose of MDA during an Army-sponsored drug experiment

April 13, 1953 - The CIA's Technical Services Staff initiates the MK-ULTRA Project

1953 - Dr. Humphry Osmond begins treating alcoholics with LSD

May 1953 - Aldous Huxley's first mescaline experience

November 1953 - Army biochemist Frank Olsen commits suicide after CIA doses him with LSD

1954 - CIA begins Operation MK-PILOT at Lexingon Narcotics Hospital

1954 - Aldous Huxley's Doors of Perception published

mid-1954 - Eli Lilly synthesizes LSD at the CIA's behest

1955 - Aldous Huxley's first LSD trip; the publication of Huxley's Heaven and Hell

1955- Army begins testing LSD at Edgewood arsenal

1956? - Dr. Humphry Osmond coins the word "psychedelic"

May 1957 - Life magazine published R. Gordon Wasson's account of his magic mushroom experience

1958 - Army begins BZ experiments

1959 - Josiah Macy Foundation sponsors major scientific congress on LSD

1959 - Allen Ginsberg tries LSD for the first time

1960 - American Indians granted sanctioned use of peyote as a religious matter

Summer 1960 - Timothy Leary turns on to magic mushrooms in Mexico

1961 - US Army initiates LSD interrogations under Operation Third Chance in Western Europe

1962 - U.S. Army launches Operation Derby Hat in Asia

1962 - The Gamblers, a California surfing band, release a song "LSD-25"; underground LSD appears on both coasts; FDA makes first LSD bust

1962 - Dr. Alexander Shulgin records the effects of MMDA ("ecstasy")

1962 - The superhallucinogen BZ becomes part of the US Army's standardized chemical warfare arsenal

1962 - The CIA withdraws support for above-ground LSD research studies

1962 - Congress passes new drug safety regulations and the FDA designates LSD an experimental drug and restricts research

1963 - Williams Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg publish The Yage Letters

May 1963 - Timothy Leary and Richard Alpert fired from Harvard

November 22, 1963 - Aldous Huxley dies shortly after JFK assassination

1964 - Army begins using BZ gas in Vietnam

Summer 1964 - Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters' cross-country bus trip

Fall 1964 - Berkeley Free Speech Movement

February 1965 - First big surge of street acid; the assassination of Malcolm X; US begins sustained bombing of North Vietnam

April 1965 - First big SDS march on Washington

1965 - Drug Abuse Control Amendment; LSD research further restricted

1965 - Bob Dylan's Bringing It All Back Home and Highway 61 Revisited

October 16, 1965 - First Family Dog acid rock dance in San Francisco

1965 - CIA phases out MK-ULTRA, begins MK-SEARCH

January 1966 - The Trips Festival in San Francisco

March 1966 - Life magazine publishes "LSD: The Mind Drug That Got Out of Control"

April 1966 - Sandoz stops supplying LSD to research scientists

April 1966 - G. Gordon Liddy raids the Millbrook estate

Spring 1966 - Senate Hearings about LSD

1966 - Black Panther Party formed

October 6, 1966 - California bans LSD, Love Pageant Rally in the Haight

January 14, 1967 - Human Be-In in Golden Gate Park

1967 - Joint FDA/NIMH Psychotomimetic Advisory Committee formed with strong input from CIA-linked doctors

June 1967 - Monterey Pop Festival

June 1967 - The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

Summer 1967 - "Summer of Love"; STP appears on the blackmarket

October 21, 1967 - March on the Pentagon

1967 - Joint CIA-Army drug research program codenamed OFTEN/MK-CHICKWIT

[Ishtar]

Ishtar, what do think of Bashar? Knowing what you think about the Ra Material, I would guess you are not approving and suspect he may be a part of the negative alien agenda. Personally, I don't get that feeling. Anyhow, there is some comments he's made about DMT that you might find interesting (maybe not.) If you want to know what I think about him, I will just say that I was in the audience that is present in this video, way in the back row. :) I agree with what he has to say here:

5jtq2XrqlGM

I don't know Basher's material at all, but I wouldn't be interested in anyone's else's reported experiences from the astral planes, for all the reasons given above. My endorsement or otherwise would be meaningless, anyway. As I said in my OP, we would be more self-empowered and less open to being manipulated if we just followed our own spirit guides, instead of someone else's and that includes mine.

I'm also totally against any form of channelling, and have banned it from my forum, because it is so open to abuse and I believe that a good proportion of it comes from intelligence agents and psy-ops.

[Ishtar]

Nanoo

Are you asking me how you can learn to journey shamanically?

If so, please do PM me, and we can talk further, and I'll find you a shaman nearer to where you live.

[Maunagarjana]

About the timeline, I wouldn't disagree that the movements of the intelligence community and those of the so-called "psychedelic luminaries" at times seem at times to be moving in the same direction. My feeling is that, yes, the CIA was supplying a lot of LSD for their own purposes. But the way I see it is the people who were trying to create positive social change with it wouldn't have had a problem with that, and would actually use that for their purposes.

I remember an event discussed in Leary's autobiography "Flashbacks" where he was approached by a man in an elevator. The man had a briefcase full of LSD and he said to Leary, basically, "I work for the CIA. I've been taking LSD a lot on my own, and I understand what you are trying to do. I do not believe that the CIA alone should have access to this. It should be in the hands of the public, not just them." And he gave the briefcase to Leary. Now, you could interpret this as this CIA guy lying as a way to get Leary to distribute LSD for "the company". But from Leary's point of view, I think, it wouldn't have mattered either way. He knew that it could be used to dissolve social conditioning, and he knew how to get it to the right people for that purpose.

I came across a quote from Robert Anton Wilson the other day that I think expresses well the point of view of many of the psychedelics cheerleaders,

"I think the major struggle going on is the struggle between those who want to program everybody else and those of us who would prefer to be self-programmers as far possible and teach others to be self-programmers too." - Robert Anton Wilson

[SilentFeathers]

Thread title:
Re: How the New Age was deliberately sold to the Sixties generation, to bring in a New World Order

I personally think much of this was/is to distract people from the "darkside" so to speak....from the evil-doings of the PTB.....

Being distracted by drugs etc and "following" guru's and New Age "happy happy, love love, bliss bliss" types of mind-sets, many became less aware of the "darkside", therefore becoming more ignorant to the PTB's agenda.

Without the "awareness" of darkness we would never know the stars in the heavens existed is one way I like to put it.....

Just a thought...........

[Maunagarjana]

I don't know Basher's material at all, but I wouldn't be interested in anyone's else's reported experiences from the astral planes, for all the reasons given above. My endorsement or otherwise would be meaningless, anyway. As I said in my OP, we would be more self-empowered and less open to being manipulated if we just followed our own spirit guides, instead of someone else's and that includes mine.

I'm also totally against any form of channelling, and have banned it from my forum, because it is so open to abuse and I believe that a good proportion of it comes from intelligence agents and psy-ops.

That's probably a good idea. Have you read any of OnyxKnight's thread about his ET contacts? I remember him talking about some of the channeling coming from ET AIs and that beings that appear to people like the Archangel Michael and Ascended Masters are basically holograms.

In the case of Bashar, the claim that is made by Darryl Anka is that Bashar is one of his his own future incarnations as a being who lives in an ET civilization that is descended from human/grey hybrids in the future. The idea being that since it is his own future incarnation, that it is a much safer way to channel and not nearly as prone to interference. I'm not saying this is true, I'm just relaying what I've heard him say.

[Ishtar]

About the timeline, I wouldn't disagree that the movements of the intelligence community and those of the so-called "psychedelic luminaries" at times seem at times to be moving in the same direction. My feeling is that, yes, the CIA was supplying a lot of LSD for their own purposes. But the way I see it is the people who were trying to create positive social change with it wouldn't have had a problem with that, and would actually use that for their purposes.

I remember an event discussed in Leary's autobiography "Flashbacks" where he was approached by a man in an elevator. The man had a briefcase full of LSD and he said to Leary, basically, "I work for the CIA. I've been taking LSD a lot on my own, and I understand what you are trying to do. I do not believe that the CIA alone should have access to this. It should be in the hands of the public, not just them." And he gave the briefcase to Leary. Now, you could interpret this as this CIA guy lying as a way to get Leary to distribute LSD for "the company". But from Leary's point of view, I think, it wouldn't have mattered either way. He knew that it could be used to dissolve social conditioning, and he knew how to get it to the right people for that purpose.

I think I'm just cynical enough to interpret that in the latter way, because that is actually what the NWO guys wanted to do ~ dissolve social conditioning, as part of breaking down society. If I was in the CIA then, and that was my brief, I couldn't think of a better way of doing it than making LSD widely available. Of course, it opened up Pandora's Box and so they couldn't control it... but in another way, if you want to break up societal mores, you wouldn't need to control it. They've done the same by making pornography widely available on the internet. It has had the same effect. There is an epidemic now of sex addiction and child sex abuse, with thousands being trafficked (officially 'going missing from care homes') from Britain alone every year. They just unleash the dogs and cry havoc, because havoc is their aim.



I came across a quote from Robert Anton Wilson the other day that I think expresses well the point of view of many of the psychedelics cheerleaders,

"I think the major struggle going on is the struggle between those who want to program everybody else and those of us who would prefer to be self-programmers as far possible and teach others to be self-programmers too." - Robert Anton Wilson

Great quote!

In my opinion, the problem has been in a population conditioned to follow religions or belief systems, there have not been that many who want or even know how to self programme. But great sentiments!

[Ishtar]

In the case of Bashar, the claim that is made by Darryl Anka is that Bashar is one of his his own future incarnations as a being who lives in an ET civilization that is descended from human/grey hybrids in the future. The idea being that since it is his own future incarnation, that it is a much safer way to channel and not nearly as prone to interference. I'm not saying this is true, I'm just relaying what I've heard him say.

The vital words are (as bolded) the claim that is made... as they so often are with these guys that need an audience.

But there's never any way of independently verifying these claims.

You either believe it or you don't.

That makes it a belief system... in other words, a religion.

Once you're in a religion, you're much more easy to control and manipulate.

That's why I keep saying, over and over, people need to find their own spirits and as Robert Anton Wilson says, 'self-programme', instead of being programmed by others and their beliefs and experiences.

Who Basher is, or what OnyxKnight says he experiences, shouldn't be important to you or me. What should be important to you is who YOU are. Why have YOU incarnated here, what is your mission and are you up to schedule with it? And the same goes for me.

We need to look within ourselves, in my opinion, and not at the journeys of others.

[Maunagarjana]

In the case of Bashar, the claim that is made by Darryl Anka is that Bashar is one of his his own future incarnations as a being who lives in an ET civilization that is descended from human/grey hybrids in the future. The idea being that since it is his own future incarnation, that it is a much safer way to channel and not nearly as prone to interference. I'm not saying this is true, I'm just relaying what I've heard him say.

The vital words are (as bolded) the claim that is made... as they so often are with these guys that need an audience.

But there's never any way of independently verifying these claims.

You either believe it or you don't.

That makes it a belief system... in other words, a religion.

Once you're in a religion, you're much more easy to control and manipulate.

That's why I keep saying, over and over, people need to find their own spirits and as Robert Anton Wilson says, 'self-programme', instead of being programmed by others and their beliefs and experiences.

Who Basher is, or what OnyxKnight says he experiences, shouldn't be important to you or me. What should be important to you is who YOU are. Why have YOU incarnated here, what is your mission and are you up to schedule with it? And the same goes for me.

We need to look within ourselves, in my opinion, and not at the journeys of others.

True. When it comes to Bashar for me, I don't perceive any funny business coming from him. He doesn't seem to be trying to control or manipulate anyone. If anything, his messages tend to encourage people to be self-empowering. Your mileage may vary though. But I listen to him as I listen to anyone else. To me, it doesn't matter if he's really an ET being channelled or some aspect of Darryl Anka's consciousness, or just a character in a puppet show.

I'm sorry if it seems like I'm hijacking your thread. That wasn't my intention. That was actually why I signaled that I was going to bow out earlier on because I did not want to do that. But thanks for taking the time to talk to me. I'm glad we could have a pleasant exchange. :)

[Wind]

I don't like the word "new age" much, because it has such a negative connotation. When large groups are formed it usually doesn't lead to a good end result. The leaders of religions, cults, movements and such usually get easily driven by their ego and sometimes movements are hijacked. That's what happened to Occupy Wall Street, sadly.

I find often myself attracted to new agey-kind of stuff, because I really think that love & light is the solution that this planet needs. I've often been called young and too naive... Well, maybe that's somewhat true, but I still refuse to think "realistically" because I think that it is boring and eventually kills your spirit.

I don't know what the future is for mankind or this planet, but I think that there is much that we still can do. Forming communities and spreading the love is my calling, I'm not one who focuses on survival or TPB. My energy is too valuable to be given to those knuckleheads who are controlling this world with a iron grip. You cannot fight fire with fire.

Just a rambling of mine. Oh well. :)

[161803398]

What was particularly "degenerate" about the 60s? I think the degeneration started in the mid 80s.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I think where we get caught up is the intrigue of other peoples amazing experiences, thinking we may never see these things. But i agree peoples attention should be more towards being inspired by these stories to try for them selves.

We do have a lot of

Look at me, as opposed to, this is how.

N

[Maia Gabrial]

I didn't catch on to the New Age until the 80's, but now it's just another religion I've tossed...

[161803398]

I think a lot of ideas are compromised by the need to make a living. You can't write a book unless you draw a conclusion.

[Jeffrey]

Ishtar! :wave:

Hope you are doing well.

UrAgb1-UKQ8

[Ishtar]

Hi Vivek. Thanks for dropping by this thread. It's good to see you looking so well! ;)