Attacks on the New Age.... isn't that interesting?

[white wizard]

I've been seeing a lot of bad publicity getting thrown at New Age ideas and people
trying to jumble anything New Age into a single category and dismiss it.

Interesting isn't it? People should not be fooled by attempts to put the new age
ideas into one category and dismiss it. Wake up it is another attempt to put a
rock into any real new change from surfacing and people need to see past it.

The truth is out there and the easiest way to keep people from seeing the

truth is having preconceived ideas that because something is labeled New Age

than it is automatically not worth paying attention too.

Don't be fooled.....

[enfoldedblue]

Here is an excerpt from a thread I started a while ago that I feel is relevant: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42318-Overcoming-Duality


One of the most important areas of dis-information is in the “New Age Movement” .
This is a huge problem because the new age movement actually holds the key to our exiting the duality paradigm.

As stated above, the TPTB use occult power as a means to maintain their power and control over us. And they spend a lot of energy (mainly through the education i.e. brainwashing-system) making the masses think that magic is nonsense....something to be given up with the end of childhood)

Some people however are naturally drawn towards magic and mysticism and for these people the “New Age Movement” has been created. The “New Age Movement” is like a neutered version of spirituality. A lot of New Age practices can make one feel good, feel like we are participating in something profound without actually enabling true deep transformation. People are taught to focus on light and love and reject anything dark...this is THE MAJOR PROBLEM and what makes the movement completely ineffective.

I believe the key to real transformation lies in exploring and re-claiming our darkness.
From childhood we are taught to reject aspects of ourselves that society teaches us to perceive as negative. This creates an internal state of division...WHICH ACTS TO RE-INFORCE THE EXTERNAL STATE OF DIVISION (which of course is the goal of TPTB)! This is the real BIG SECRET that they want to keep from us...the real key to transforming our outer world is to transform our inner worlds. AND THE KEY TO THIS IS LOVE...ok now there may be some eye rolling now (which is the programmed response). Any self-respecting rational person will see this as just more new age jargon, but this is exactly what TPTB want...they want the baby to be thrown out with the bathwater.

They don’t want us to know that we are each fragments of the whole...and like fractals each contain ALL the elements of the whole.

I feel that the real secret that is being withheld from us is the fact that the key to our evolution is well and truly within, but the way to reach it is that we need to integrate all our inner aspects, including the depths of our darkness. Without the integration of our darkness we can never truly become whole, and we will always be able to be controlled by fear.

[white wizard]

ok, but isn't part of the new age movement teaching people what they actually

are infinite beings? Am I wrong in assuming this? It is very dangerous labeling

many things into one category and discarding them rather than figuring

what is fact from fiction. It just reminds me of the stigma given to conspiracy

theorists. After people hear that word they look away from the truth instead

of seeking it. Is it possible that this is having the same affect.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

People often use the term "New Age" without actually knowing what that means.

I've written often here about how every spiritual movement has dabblers, bypassers, corruption, and money changers. That does not mean that they are without value. I recommend the works of Blavatsky and Bailey to any serious student of spiritual development. These teachings are far older than most people know, no matter what labels are placed on them.

[buckminster fuller]

The truth is out there and the easiest way to keep people from seeing the

truth is having preconceived ideas that because something is labeled New Age

than it is automatically not worth paying attention too.

Don't be fooled.....

Same thing happened for communism in some ways. It's not about the idea, it's about how it is rationalized in our physicality.

I for one am glad that new-age "stuff" is getting scrutinized, so much BS has been given to feed to those that need to hide from the realities of our world that right now it can only be a good thing. Getting our perception of "new age" sorted is a step forward.

Maybe "new age" should only be considered as a new way of looking at subjects. It tries to be a religion which it cannot be.

[9eagle9]

Attacking = Critique? Looking for deceptions? Using discernment. Using one’s own judgment (another naughty word?) Attacking the new age (an astrological term) is like saying I’m going to attack the 1880’s or I’m going to attack the age of Leo I’m going to attack Mercury in retrograde.
So what if you do? Did the 1960’s cease to exist because someone criticized it. Attacked it?

This is probably why the ‘new age’ is ‘attacked’ so much in spite of the fact that attack doesn’t necessarily mean diminished in some way. The ‘new age’ is not a label of enlightened people. We are in a new age astrologically speaking, everyone is a new ager. Not everyone indulges themselves in new thought because there is no such thing. Not everyone indulges themselves in the prattle and fluff the new age seems to be swimming in just like not everyone donned elf boots and big hair in the 80’s. People brought that to the 80's the 80's did not bring that to people.

Marketed fluff and prattle is not what the new age brought to us. That is what people made up to bring to the new age. The new age didn’t bring prattle and fluff anymore than it brought great fountains of true wisdom. True wisdom has always been around in spite of ‘the age’ it was demonstrated in.

People did that.

Bailey and Blavatsky introduced a series of philosophies on foundations. We can examine those without assigning them labels of good or bad, or adopting and adapting them as belief systems. It just is what it is, they taught that a pen can write poison or poetry. All that positive negative and adoption of belief systems came after Bailey and Blavatsky as far as the mainstream is concerned. Bailey can teach one how the powers that be operate where they invest their trust at that has served them for ages (new or otherwise). Those foundations can serve us. That does not mean we have to operate like them. We simply know how they operate. One can take these foundations for control like the ptb or self control. Self management, self authority.

What you do with something has far greater influence than what one ‘thinks’ about it.

In treating the new age for something other than what it is one has introduced New Age Thought, which is refurbished old thought, dusted off to be fluff and light (without much substance). People should ‘think’ differently in a new way to accommodate the new age that we are in. Mostly with one’s emotional body, which unfortunately does not think. Therefore perceives that it is being attacked when the quality control snobs come snooping around to see if this new way of thinking holds water or has any serviceable merit to it.

If one studies what Bailey brought to the table one finds out that the Lucifenarian path means one is not using their emotional body to think. They are using their mental body , which is what it was designed for. The powers that be have turned that into we use our mental body and allow it be driven by the ego body. Thus the path of Lucifer (light bringing) was corrupted just the same way the new age was. Bailey did not corrupt the Lucifer path, she simply revealed it for what it was.

There is a path of balance where one uses both, the mental body and the emotional body, the left brain and the right brain. That is 101. Most people enter 101 with the inability to manage either side. Which is how so much dense craft was created was the same way so much pancake craft was created--sugar and syrup. Both are corrupt perversions of solider foundations. One of those foundations was don't think with your heart or any other emotional body.

Because you are using our mental body does not mean you are advocating Lucifernarian attitudes. Those come from the emotional body. Bailey’s works cannot be translated by the emotional body. That is where one gets themselves in trouble.

How would anyone know any of this if they avoided it?

When the ‘new age’ began to make the rounds people set aside mean Christianity which had disciplines and thou shall nots, and adopted God is nice attitudes. For some strange reason people adopted another attitude. God is nice = we don’t have to do anything, cast away all discipline. So no longer did people study disciplined works. The require discipline.

New Thought taught people that Positive meant good, and Negative meant bad, dark and evil. This is not new thought it’s called changing the ‘meaning’ of words to create confusion. Something that has occurred for eons, therefore is not new.

If anything clouds one’s inner visions, prevents them from challenging their access to inner vision , their original ‘thought’ and inspiration it’s poison no matter how positive it sounds.

Positive can mean fulfillment but it can also mean ‘too ‘ much. Negative means taken away from, deficient, not having enough of but it can also mean clearing. One would not know that unless they studied and practiced solider foundations. Simply re-labeling something (frex: what new age means) does not alter the fact it exists. Thought alone does nothing. Experience does quite a lot. If one studies the environment, and other older traditions one knows that.

One knows that my positively charged battery can create so much of a charge it burns out my alternator. That is not a positive event, its an negative one because I am then deficient in an alternator. If the typical new age fluff practitioner does not know that is a naturally occurring phenomena then the average auto mechanic transcends them knowingness. It doesn't matter what you think about the battery or the alternator they just are what they are.

So what if you do? You can’t do anything to it but reveal it for what it really is. If New Age philosophy cannot be critiqued, it must not be very sturdy. The fact that people want to push something that is not very durable onto people is symptom of the poison pen.


The new age isn’t new, you can’t have new if humanity repeats themselves over and over again. The New Age movement is entirely different from ‘the’ New Age’. New Age Philosophy is not the new age, its consumerism. New Age is a unit of measurement. If we are entering a New Age there will be movement. Otherwise we aren’t entering it. It will however go on without us.

Attacking the fluff, prattle and gabble and garbage of New Age BS which is distortion, destruction and easy-bake oven refurbishing of older traditions if not outright ‘made up fairy tales’ is typically what using the foundations of older traditions--discernment., wisdom, practices, means ,and disciplines are for.

Our forebears had ‘new’ages too. They left us with the means to navigate whatever new age crops up.

Critiquing is now attack. But be sure what is being 'attacked' . Yet the WHOLE of the new age population is the first body that complains when something is not critiqued and sold to the public. The first time one buys a faulty toaster they will be the first to complain that the toaster manufacturing process was not critiqued.

New Age thought is mostly consumerism, and Consumer Reports basically has taught us that anything sold for public consumption is open to critique.

[Swan]

Here is an excerpt from a thread I started a while ago that I feel is relevant: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42318-Overcoming-Duality




I believe the key to real transformation lies in exploring and re-claiming our darkness.
From childhood we are taught to reject aspects of ourselves that society teaches us to perceive as negative. This creates an internal state of division...WHICH ACTS TO RE-INFORCE THE EXTERNAL STATE OF DIVISION (which of course is the goal of TPTB)! This is the real BIG SECRET that they want to keep from us...the real key to transforming our outer world is to transform our inner worlds. AND THE KEY TO THIS IS LOVE...ok now there may be some eye rolling now (which is the programmed response). Any self-respecting rational person will see this as just more new age jargon, but this is exactly what TPTB want...they want the baby to be thrown out with the bathwater.

They don’t want us to know that we are each fragments of the whole...and like fractals each contain ALL the elements of the whole.

I feel that the real secret that is being withheld from us is the fact that the key to our evolution is well and truly within, but the way to reach it is that we need to integrate all our inner aspects, including the depths of our darkness. Without the integration of our darkness we can never truly become whole, and we will always be able to be controlled by fear.

Hi EnfoldedBlue,

Could you give a suggestion about how to integrate the shadow?

[hangel]

i would like to direct the dispute over the New Age movement to this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&highlight=archonitic

I believe that this is a very important piece of information.
Its long and complex but the author seem to know what she/he is saying. You can recognise the false New Age by the ego aspect, present in the mainstream of the movement.

I've been looking for answers for long time. But i never entangled myself in any of the New Age organisations. Whenever i liked some ideas and i looked closely at the article, book or video there was always something inconsistent, weird or something i couldnt identify myself with. There is always an ego part in it. Even if its small, but there it is. Different forms it takes...
Author would brag about himself or there will be a strong money aspect or rivalry and competing with other participants etc.

Im genuinely trying to find pure truth, love above opinion differences and giving without expectations. Im still looking.

[Kryztian]

"New age" means different things to different people. Many of the people who use the term disparagingly often have many beliefs and practices that others would describe as "new age". And there are others who have very little idea about what it mean, except that it isn't their hard core version of scientism and skepticism.

It is a such a vague term that means different things to different people. If you want to be literal about the term, it should refer to believers in an astrological "new age", a part of the astronomical cycle based on the precession of the equinoxes (the 2,300 year "Age of Pieces", the 5,500 year 13-baktun Mayan Calendar cycle) is ending and a new one beginning, which will herald many changes in the physicial and spiritual order for the inhabitants of planet earth, and that the astronomical changes will bring in new energies to our part of the universe.

I neither run from or embrace the term. I feel somewhat connected to my "new age friends", and yet in others, I know I have some very different beliefs.

[DeDukshyn]

Its all labels and terms ... about getting caught up in labels and terms that are mere generalizations without making the distinction as to their true meaning, so that when statements are made about "New Age" - it automatically includes, in most peoples minds, much of the forward thinking, self reflection, spirituality, and becoming a conduit for real love, helping your brothers and sisters, etc, they get lumped in with tarot cards and horoscope readings by gypsies, saviors, and called "New Age".

Therefore, when the snake oil salesmen and fortune telling gypsies (or whatever) get demonized as "new age fluff" -- by association all the valuable stuff that also gets the loose tag of "New Age" gets automatically demonized as well. This has a great impact on the people who might otherwise want to learn more about spirituality. Make no mistake -- this is designed for this purpose.

So the attack isn't really on "new age" -- it's just that new age is being used as the vehicle to derail truly helpful spirituality. It is the same process TPW put onto any other religions / philosophies over the last thousands of years over fear they might lose control to a caring and loving race if they bring back balance to their spirituality.

The only way around the issue is to stop using the term and find new distinctions to describe that which we know to be true. It's become an almost useless generalization and there's little that can be done to change that -- but we can still keep moving forward to better ourselves and the planet in the ways that we know how.

My 2 cents ;)

[9eagle9]

Call the fluff meta-myths then.

The New Age is supposed to be grounded in metaphysics, those are certain principals that work very well and manifest themselves constantly when one educates themselves to their purpose.

Meta-myth no. 1. Love fixes everything. WE have evidence in our daily lives that it does not. Yet we depend on this program and insist it must be true in-spite of the overwhelming evidence it does not.

Metaphysics. Love is driving force. It will drive a solution. Meta-myths insist it is the solution. Love is part of the emotional body, it does not come up with solutions. Nor was the emo body ever made, designed, created to think, problem solve, or be logical.

If the mental body or ones logic comes up with a solution love can drive it. If one has a very clear mental body they will have higher wisdom, higher intelligence. Ones clear emotion body of love then can drive or manifest that solution.

To do anything otherwise or to otherwise attempt to educate people is setting them up for failure via one's own ignorance. That's rather abusive. That is one one uses love in an egotistical perverse way and it is no longer love at all.

[Wind]

People have the need to label everything. That's how the human mind operates.

Human ego is the root cause of all suffering, but of course we couldn't exist on this 3D world without one. I'm eagerly waiting the age without ego's.

[Finefeather]

People have the need to label everything. That's how the human mind operates.

Human ego is the root cause of all suffering, but of course we couldn't exist on this 3D world without one. I'm eagerly waiting the age without ego's.
The human ego is actually you, the one who is thinking now, so why try to pretend it is not you.
Same as we blame everyone else for our poor 'grades' we have now even found an ego to blame.
We never blame ourselves because that would be admitting our weaknesses...so we just invented the ego to take care of the holes in our attitude.
You will have an ego till the day you don't exist anymore...get used to it...and perfect it.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Thanks so much for sounding off, Whitefeather.

I really felt like I was the odd man out.

This is a New Age - whether you call it that or not. As for easy, arm-chair ascension, well, that is just ridiculous. I've never heard of any group advocating their method because you don't have to do any of the messy work.

Also, it has confused me. Are those on the latest turnip truck lumping the Self-help catagory into this frivolous belief-busting of theirs? I'm afraid to ask, and afraid to defend my point of view lest I slide even further down their estimation tree and loose all credibility.

What surprises me the most is that the New Age movement is bunked but Charles, Archons,intentional extra-terestrial contact, 5-D reality, Drake, Wilcock and so many more are taken seriously. Not that I was not also drawn to some of these topics. It's just that the New Age material is vast and includes, to a degree, all of the aforementioned people and topics, and it must be considered equally valid. By proxy if nothing more...

Is it me? This is the question I ask. Can I be that far off? And why now? Why just when I'm cleaning my own house of the detritus of long-discarded paradigms and other beliefs? Although I had meant to throw everything out and start only with what I know, there were certain things I kinda was relying on keeping around. The fact that these ideas, this work, and the search for truth are so popular right now is because we have entered a New Age. That seemed self-evident to me. Now I'm not sure again. And the key is certainty.

Yes, living in harmony with the ego is a nice trick to pull off. Just as is living a placid life amidst the chaos of emotions and feelings without the need to vent. Of course there are other ways to release pent-up emotions without the public drama. But if there is an ego, it sure as heck is to blame because I'm clearly innocent. hehe

For myself, I'm going to keep my mind and heart open and keep on searching..for the illusive truth.

Just like so many others here of like mind.

[greybeard]

Hi Ernie
Im with you in the main.
The path of enlightenment is not for everyone and that does entail surrender, humility, reduction of ego.
For those who want to improve their self image and therefore help them to cope with the challenges of life, a lot of good came out of self improvement books.
So if that's part of the so called New Age Movement, fair enough, I have a degree of respect for any thing that improves self image.
Sometimes the self worth was promoted to the degree that selfishness seemed to arise but that would have anyway, if that was within the nature of that particular person.
Many a person got started on the spiritual search genuinely, because of initially being exposed to New Age Teaching.

Sometimes this forum seems to latch on to extremes and there is a danger of throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Cases of spiritual aspirants on the path of enlightenment who fell foul of aggrandising are also many.

Everything in its own time and own space

Krishna said "Even those running in the wrong direction are mine"

Chris

[Deega]

Thanks White Wizard, intelligence allows mouvement, like debunking beliefs, debunking faith, bring critique to any sets of values that one adhere to, and I think that is great.

I had the pleasure of learning, knowing, living within some framework of New Age thinking and it was relevant at that time, here is a few experiences.

In my early forty, I had the opportunity to be initiated to Sophrology with a mixture of Mental Dynamic, it was a revelation, my former Catholic beliefs went to waste.

Then my interests turn to the book Urantia, and many authors the like Blavatsky, Bailey, Edgar Cayce, Rudolf Steiner, others. Great information!

Also, to Reiki where I have been using for years now.

These different steps were done within certain limit of New Age thinking, and here is a link of a succint description of this philosophy (http://www.shangrala.org/father/RELIGIONS/AAreligionsmain.html). That was a progression in beliefs that are still on the move. The latest, I had the opportunity to live an ayahuasca experience, some other beliefs went to waste.

Every thing has it merit and one fit in at different time in their live.

So, I think that everyone who are interested in spiritual enlightenment will find what they need (this belief may be debunk by someone who might have passed this level). And they will progress along such that they will reach higher level, and every time, one reach another level, he become aware that it's an ever ending thing because, we are searching for the ultimate truth.

IMHO, I think that the ultimate truth is love, be love, feel love, taste love, hear love, see love for our senses and then act love, live love. But this don't come easy in the world we are living!

All the best to everyone.

[DeDukshyn]

People have the need to label everything. That's how the human mind operates.

Human ego is the root cause of all suffering, but of course we couldn't exist on this 3D world without one. I'm eagerly waiting the age without ego's.
The human ego is actually you, the one who is thinking now, so why try to pretend it is not you.
Same as we blame everyone else for our poor 'grades' we have now even found an ego to blame.
We never blame ourselves because that would be admitting our weaknesses...so we just invented the ego to take care of the holes in our attitude.
You will have an ego till the day you don't exist anymore...get used to it...and perfect it.

Well said; I see it as being about throwing it in the back seat and stop it from driving you. You should be "driven" by real love, as 9eagle rightly pointed out above, not by fear (or "love" which actually disguised fear - there's a lot of this) -- because it is always one of those two or a combination of the two exclusively that drives all human endeavours (aside from curiosity). The ego is a fear mechanism and is needed to protect the body from harm; it should not be in the mind commanding you like the mad pilot of some biological zombified vehicle, but rather arising here and there where fear is actually required for survival of the body. The ego is a physical construct and in a great extrapolation, matter is also ego (including your body and brain).

So whenever people say "get rid of the ego" -- I have to automatically translate that to "Put the ego in the back seat" because, really that is all we can do while we are here having a physical experience. It is a part of that physicality. It was never meant for the mind at all -- this was and is the problem -- it's location of command.

To further your first sentence, I always get a kick out of people who say "God talks to me in my head", I don't want to be critical of other's experiences, but I'm fairly sure God doesn't speak English. I have determined that if my "head" speaks any language - it is my ego. Thus, one of my goals is to silence that "voice in my head" -- it talks all the time, even when you don't notice. Upon deep meditation you can see how many layers of the "voice" there actually is.

When I was trying my best to not think at all and only speak when I had something important to say (working back up to that level in my life), I noticed something changing -- my intuition and instincts started to become razor sharp, and coincidence rose to a whole new level of fascination. My life began to take new directions, very quickly without me having to "think" about any of it. I became frightened by the vastness of the effect, and am slowly building up to it again. (in this period of my life I attained a much need vehicle (among many other things) for free (literally) and secured nearly $10 an hour in raises at my job).

Many people don't understand the ego well enough to know how to address it properly. Just trying to love everyone and do nice things won't quite cut it for the purpose of relocating the ego to a healthier position. That's why religions still have these elements, even after "Satan" had his way with them. ;-)


ADDITION: This post implies that none of us really know who we really are. Just something to consider.

[norman]

If the New Age is really the only way out of 'here', it's a near certainty that it's long been wired and rigged.

Tread carefully.

[modwiz]

Hi Ernie
Im with you in the main.
The path of enlightenment is not for everyone and that does entail surrender, humility, reduction of ego.
For those who want to improve their self image and therefore help them to cope with the challenges of life, a lot of good came out of self improvement books.
So if that's part of the so called New Age Movement, fair enough, I have a degree of respect for any thing that improves self image.
Sometimes the self worth was promoted to the degree that selfishness seemed to arise but that would have anyway, if that was within the nature of that particular person.
Many a person got started on the spiritual search genuinely, because of initially being exposed to New Age Teaching.

Sometimes this forum seems to latch on to extremes and there is a danger of throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Cases of spiritual aspirants on the path of enlightenment who fell foul of aggrandising are also many.

Everything in its own time and own space

Krishna said "Even those running in the wrong direction are mine"

Chris

People like myself now address the NA industry/religion. Like any religion it has very useful ideas and practices and one can find gold there. Like industry it seeks to serve itself, but must offer something of value or the whole industry will blow away. I liken it to the medical industry, or the music industry, for two examples. I do not throw out babies with the bathwater. That is what people who get stuck in emotional thinking do. They get riled up by a perceived attack on something they care for and go into an emotional defense mode. The intellectual tools to parse babies from bathwater are not present because emotions do not operate that way.

The NA was an entry point for me after abandoning magic and Seth and plunging into life threatening alcoholism. When I crawled out of the bottle, (1988) it was the NA that provided tools for me to work with. The industry and religion of it had not become the juggernaut it is today. I am glad white sage and champa are ubiquitous. I embrace the baby. The bathwater is full of sh!t.

I will reiterate: It is the NA industry and religion that seeks to own and lead astray.
That's all. :yo:

[DeDukshyn]

Thanks Modwiz, and important distinction to make. If we want to actually get places with dialogue and understanding, these types of distinctions are invaluable. Just like I won't refer to any "New Age" talk without pre-defined distinctions or it ends up being more than one "language" involved which just adds to the confusion.



Hi Ernie
Im with you in the main.
The path of enlightenment is not for everyone and that does entail surrender, humility, reduction of ego.
For those who want to improve their self image and therefore help them to cope with the challenges of life, a lot of good came out of self improvement books.
So if that's part of the so called New Age Movement, fair enough, I have a degree of respect for any thing that improves self image.
Sometimes the self worth was promoted to the degree that selfishness seemed to arise but that would have anyway, if that was within the nature of that particular person.
Many a person got started on the spiritual search genuinely, because of initially being exposed to New Age Teaching.

Sometimes this forum seems to latch on to extremes and there is a danger of throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Cases of spiritual aspirants on the path of enlightenment who fell foul of aggrandising are also many.

Everything in its own time and own space

Krishna said "Even those running in the wrong direction are mine"

Chris

People like myself now address the NA industry/religion. Like any religion it has very use ideas or practices and one can find gold there. Like industry it seeks to serve itself, but must offer something of value or the whole industry will blow away. I liken it to the medical industry, or the music industry, for two examples. I do not throw out babies with the bathwater. That is what people who get stuck in emotional thinking do. They get riled up by a perceived attack on something they care for and go into an emotional defense mode. The intellectual tools to parse babies from bathwater are not present because emotions do not operate that way.

I will reiterate: It is the NA industry and religion that seeks to own and lead astray.
That's all. :yo:

[seehas]

People have the need to label everything.
When I was trying my best to not think at all and only speak when I had something important to say (working back up to that level in my life), I noticed something changing -- my intuition and instincts started to become razor sharp, and coincidence rose to a whole new level of fascination. My life began to take new directions, very quickly without me having to "think" about any of it. I became frightened by the vastness of the effect, and am slowly building up to it again. (in this period of my life I attained a much need vehicle (among many other things) for free (literally) and secured nearly $10 an hour in raises at my job).

Many people don't understand the ego well enough to know how to address it properly. Just trying to love everyone and do nice things won't quite cut it for the purpose of relocating the ego to a healthier position. That's why religions still have these elements, even after "Satan" had his way with them. ;-)


ADDITION: This post implies that none of us really know who we really are. Just something to consider.

thank you for that posting, i think i needed that reminder :-)

[Wind]

The human ego is actually you, the one who is thinking now, so why try to pretend it is not you.
Same as we blame everyone else for our poor 'grades' we have now even found an ego to blame.
We never blame ourselves because that would be admitting our weaknesses...so we just invented the ego to take care of the holes in our attitude.
You will have an ego till the day you don't exist anymore...get used to it...and perfect it.

I know that my ego is not me, it is just a part of my mind. My ego is the role that allows me express myself here. I also know that my ego has caused a great deal of pain to me during my lifetime and I am not too fond of it. My ego is truly not my inner self... The true consciousness and awareness in me. Eternal awareness is more than "me". I am not an enlightened person so I go through all the emotions that humans do. I get hurt, angry, happy etc. When my existence on this level stops all that happens is that my ego and body dies, but what remains is something more divine and beautiful.

I have started to understand my ego and I can almost silence it during meditation, but yet my conscious mind is still powerful and most of the time it has it's control over me. I guess that it's a lifelong journey to overcome your ego or mind... If that is your path. All of us eventually get there and a massive shift is happening in human consciousness right now. Then the ego will shut up for good and stay in the backseat.

I like what Eckhart Tolle has to say about the ego.

[Finefeather]

The human ego is actually you, the one who is thinking now, so why try to pretend it is not you.
Same as we blame everyone else for our poor 'grades' we have now even found an ego to blame.
We never blame ourselves because that would be admitting our weaknesses...so we just invented the ego to take care of the holes in our attitude.
You will have an ego till the day you don't exist anymore...get used to it...and perfect it.

I know that my ego is not me, it is just a part of my mind. My ego is the role that allows me express myself here. I also know that my ego has caused a great deal of pain to me during my lifetime and I am not too fond of it. My ego is truly not my inner self... The true consciousness and awareness in me. Eternal awareness is more than "me". I am not an enlightened person so I go through all the emotions that humans do. I get hurt, angry, happy etc. When my existence on this level stops all that happens is that my ego and body dies, but what remains is something more divine and beautiful.

I have started to understand my ego and I can almost silence it during meditation, but yet my conscious mind is still powerful and most of the time it has it's control over me. I guess that it's a lifelong journey to overcome your ego or mind... If that is your path. All of us eventually get there and a massive shift is happening in human consciousness right now. Then the ego will shut up for good and stay in the backseat.

I like what Eckhart Tolle has to say about the ego.
Hi Starseed...it is important for you not to see this post as a rebuff of your post, I actually understand your point and agree with most of it. I am just offering you here another way of understanding this, and just wish to extend my hand out to you.

I do not know what Eckhart Tolle has to say about the ego, because I have not read anything he has written, but if he knows truth then he will know that the ego, which we here on earth have so much to complain about, is actually the very thing that is our individuality. It is known as the Divine Ego or Causal Body in some ancient writings, and it is what might be described as our current aggregate of our past lives. This Divine Ego is the thing which initiates and causes incarnation into bodies in order to work on our individual shortcomings and we have called this our personality...our “I”...this is our Ego on the physical plane. This is the very thing we have incarnated for, to perfect...we are on the return path back to our individual sources or Monads or what has been called our Higher Self ...we are all Sons of one of the Planetary Logi...unless you are from outside our solar system...which I doubt.

If you say you know that your ego is not yours then all you are doing is recognising some traits and attitudes in yourself which you are aware of which are not how you would like to see yourself...this is good and as it should be...but it is still an integral part of you at this stage of your life. We see this as a separate entity, which it is not, because this is the part we need to work on in this current life.
Some of us fail to see this and want to separate it from our existence as if it were some attached entity which does not belong to them. This is the mistake that most seem to make...purely because most do not understand the constitution of our Being. Every mistake we have made, or bad attitude we have displayed in all our lives is retained for the entire existence of our life as an incarnating Divine Ego...this is our dormant past...it never goes away...it is just chalked up as part of our experiences along our long journey...it is also the source of our past lives.
To overcome this side of us, which we have termed the ego, we need to recognise that all have some failings and that all are here incarnated for one reason only...and that is to raise our state of 'enlightenment' by recognising and doing something about those thoughts and attitudes which are preventing us from evolution.

So what is this part of us then that can recognise this part of us which we conveniently separate and call the ego? It is our higher mental faculties of reasoning and abstract thinking which has made an appearance in our conscious thinking lives. This part of our Being is what we seek to develop on our journey and some have more of this higher mind and some have less of it manifested in their ordinary consciousness at any given point. The more of this higher mental thinking is manifest the more we will start to see the bits of us which are 'not up to standard” with the goals of your chosen evolution. This becomes our way of self assessment of our progress along our journey. Most out their are still unable to do this self assessment, so those who can are well on their journey. The higher we go the more easily we can see our faults, but they remain our faults...our record, of our long struggle back to source.

So I say again the ego is a part of us and will always remain with us for our entire journey, it will become more and more in tune until a point where it's seeming nuisance will be mastered and it will become a necessary tool in our lives on earth. If you think you can live without an ego, you are going to be in for a surprise. The word “ego” has been bashed around and turned into another demon all because of our ignorance and failure to recognise our true life make-up. We are all Divine Egos or Divine “I's”...words and meanings confuse the issue because in the higher realms, forms become concepts and concepts are difficult to put into words.

Love to All
Ray

[9eagle9]

Individualism is a state that seems to come under attack more as people demand a 'collective' a mass, let's 'all be one. '

but they can't because of the ego...

lol.

If the Divine Ego, that which has opened the way for us to the 'individual' experience here on earth, and would actually allow us to live and thrive as individuals in collective harmony with each other (self acceptance), the wounded ego of the collective is going to make damn sure that it doesn't get what it claims it wants.

I call that crazy making ****.

[Finefeather]

Individualism is a state that seems to come under attack more as people demand a 'collective' a mass, let's 'all be one. '

but they can't because of the ego...

lol.

If the Divine Ego, that which has opened the way for us to the 'individual' experience here on earth, and would actually allow us to live and thrive as individuals in collective harmony with each other (self acceptance), the wounded ego of the collective is going to make damn sure that it doesn't get what it claims it wants.

I call that crazy making ****.

This reminds me of a pack of wolves who hunt collectively for survival yet each has it's position in the pack.
Our concrete minds might see this as a hierarchy to be scaled at all costs...our abstract/conceptual minds might see this as teamwork with a chosen captain.
The more we become active conceptual thinkers, which is the quality of our higher mind, the more we will see the collective strengths of individualized expertise.
We are all one anyway, but at this moment in time we are spreading out and collecting the 'good' fruit and discarding the 'bad' for our collective basket.
When this has completed it's course there will be no such thing as a wounded ego anymore to claim what it wants...it has transformed into the Divine Ego...which knows only love.

I call this something to look forward to.

Love to you
Ray

[DeDukshyn]

The human ego is actually you, the one who is thinking now, so why try to pretend it is not you.
Same as we blame everyone else for our poor 'grades' we have now even found an ego to blame.
We never blame ourselves because that would be admitting our weaknesses...so we just invented the ego to take care of the holes in our attitude.
You will have an ego till the day you don't exist anymore...get used to it...and perfect it.

I know that my ego is not me, it is just a part of my mind. My ego is the role that allows me express myself here. I also know that my ego has caused a great deal of pain to me during my lifetime and I am not too fond of it. My ego is truly not my inner self... The true consciousness and awareness in me. Eternal awareness is more than "me". I am not an enlightened person so I go through all the emotions that humans do. I get hurt, angry, happy etc. When my existence on this level stops all that happens is that my ego and body dies, but what remains is something more divine and beautiful.

I have started to understand my ego and I can almost silence it during meditation, but yet my conscious mind is still powerful and most of the time it has it's control over me. I guess that it's a lifelong journey to overcome your ego or mind... If that is your path. All of us eventually get there and a massive shift is happening in human consciousness right now. Then the ego will shut up for good and stay in the backseat.

I like what Eckhart Tolle has to say about the ego.
Hi Starseed...it is important for you not to see this post as a rebuff of your post, I actually understand your point and agree with most of it. I am just offering you here another way of understanding this, and just wish to extend my hand out to you.

I do not know what Eckhart Tolle has to say about the ego, because I have not read anything he has written, but if he knows truth then he will know that the ego, which we here on earth have so much to complain about, is actually the very thing that is our individuality. It is known as the Divine Ego or Causal Body in some ancient writings, and it is what might be described as our current aggregate of our past lives. This Divine Ego is the thing which initiates and causes incarnation into bodies in order to work on our individual shortcomings and we have called this our personality...our “I”...this is our Ego on the physical plane. This is the very thing we have incarnated for, to perfect...we are on the return path back to our individual sources or Monads or what has been called our Higher Self ...we are all Sons of one of the Planetary Logi...unless you are from outside our solar system...which I doubt.

If you say you know that your ego is not yours then all you are doing is recognising some traits and attitudes in yourself which you are aware of which are not how you would like to see yourself...this is good and as it should be...but it is still an integral part of you at this stage of your life. We see this as a separate entity, which it is not, because this is the part we need to work on in this current life.
Some of us fail to see this and want to separate it from our existence as if it were some attached entity which does not belong to them. This is the mistake that most seem to make...purely because most do not understand the constitution of our Being. Every mistake we have made, or bad attitude we have displayed in all our lives is retained for the entire existence of our life as an incarnating Divine Ego...this is our dormant past...it never goes away...it is just chalked up as part of our experiences along our long journey...it is also the source of our past lives.
To overcome this side of us, which we have termed the ego, we need to recognise that all have some failings and that all are here incarnated for one reason only...and that is to raise our state of 'enlightenment' by recognising and doing something about those thoughts and attitudes which are preventing us from evolution.

So what is this part of us then that can recognise this part of us which we conveniently separate and call the ego? It is our higher mental faculties of reasoning and abstract thinking which has made an appearance in our conscious thinking lives. This part of our Being is what we seek to develop on our journey and some have more of this higher mind and some have less of it manifested in their ordinary consciousness at any given point. The more of this higher mental thinking is manifest the more we will start to see the bits of us which are 'not up to standard” with the goals of your chosen evolution. This becomes our way of self assessment of our progress along our journey. Most out their are still unable to do this self assessment, so those who can are well on their journey. The higher we go the more easily we can see our faults, but they remain our faults...our record, of our long struggle back to source.

So I say again the ego is a part of us and will always remain with us for our entire journey, it will become more and more in tune until a point where it's seeming nuisance will be mastered and it will become a necessary tool in our lives on earth. If you think you can live without an ego, you are going to be in for a surprise. The word “ego” has been bashed around and turned into another demon all because of our ignorance and failure to recognise our true life make-up. We are all Divine Egos or Divine “I's”...words and meanings confuse the issue because in the higher realms, forms become concepts and concepts are difficult to put into words.

Love to All
Ray

Well, it is clear to me that the ego has many levels of possible distinction, and we are all thinking there is only one -- obviously. lol. I hinted at this in my earlier post that one could extrapolate the "ego" to include all matter. However, I fully see the definition that Starseed is trying to utilize as well.

Starseed's definition = the mechanism driven by personal fears that leads to undesirable selections in one's life.
Finefeather's definition = the distinctions that step down from Source to create individuality.

Both are correct in my view but are speaking about different levels.

Ego is created by the paralyzing force some call "Satan" or more simply the forces of separation. Matter is spirit paralyzed into the physical state, the forces of separation act strongly on matter. You could cal this result "ego". In the mind, the effect is the same -- consider the term "paralyzed with fear". It is a reductive concept that while in the mind, seeks to alleviate it's fears and create gain for its self (out of fear of lack).

Starseed is refering to the ego in the mind whereas Finefeather is referring to a more generalized term. This wasn't hard to see at all, and it behooves us all to start relying less on our "difference engine" which only seeks to find differences and not likenesses. Words are labels -- not the concept they try to represent.

This is not an attack on individualism, but mere distinctions to clarify understanding one another, I feel there is great lack in this area, and this misunderstanding drives perceived attacks on individuals or individialisms.

My 2 cents ;)

[Youniverse]

I've been seeing a lot of bad publicity getting thrown at New Age ideas and people
trying to jumble anything New Age into a single category and dismiss it.

Interesting isn't it? People should not be fooled by attempts to put the new age
ideas into one category and dismiss it. Wake up it is another attempt to put a
rock into any real new change from surfacing and people need to see past it.

The truth is out there and the easiest way to keep people from seeing the

truth is having preconceived ideas that because something is labeled New Age

than it is automatically not worth paying attention too.

Don't be fooled.....

Yes this is why I pay attention to everything that interests me. I then discard that which doesn't make sense to me. It isn't foolproof but I do my best.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Judge not lest ye judge your self as it is in the end you shall be standing alone.

All good things find the good hearts always, what changes nformation is the imbedded intent in your heart.

Judgement is the creator of bath water, with bubbles :-)


Hugs and new age love and fuzzy green hearts

Naniu

[Wind]

Starseed's definition = the mechanism driven by personal fears that leads to undesirable selections in one's life.
Finefeather's definition = the distinctions that step down from Source to create individuality.

Both are correct in my view but are speaking about different levels.

Ego is created by the paralyzing force some call "Satan" or more simply the forces of separation. Matter is spirit paralyzed into the physical state, the forces of separation act strongly on matter. You could cal this result "ego". In the mind, the effect is the same -- consider the term "paralyzed with fear". It is a reductive concept that while in the mind, seeks to alleviate it's fears and create gain for its self (out of fear of lack).

Starseed is refering to the ego in the mind whereas Finefeather is referring to a more generalized term. This wasn't hard to see at all, and it behooves us all to start relying less on our "difference engine" which only seeks to find differences and not likenesses. Words are labels -- not the concept they try to represent.

This is not an attack on individualism, but mere distinctions to clarify understanding one another, I feel there is great lack in this area, and this misunderstanding drives perceived attacks on individuals or individialisms.

My 2 cents ;)

Well said, DeDukshyn.

I should also add that english is not my native language so I might sometimes have difficulties expressing myself.

Dealing with ego has been exceptionally hard issue for me, because I have not lived too many lives as human with an ego. It has been difficult for me to cope in this heavy density.

Individuality is important on this level of life, but when we start to see beyond the veil we start to understand the way of unity more and more. I do not mean to force "oneness" or any belief to anyone, but that is the way that I understand life.

Now I'm a human and I have to deal with it. :)

[9eagle9]

There is a paradigm that exists, until we learned the hard way that when someone announces they are 'new agey' they have a basic understanding of metaphysics.

Until I knew better I ASSUMED everyone who said they were into new age concepts had that one thing that makes the comprehension and conduct of new age principals possible: At least a basic understanding of metaphysics.

Until I realized through their conduct and behavior and expression that they did not. Without metaphysics new age and even love is just an 'idea' in someone's head.

I'd say 90 percent of 'new ager' do not have this basic understanding. Then without this basic understanding they attempt to leap into 'new science'. You can't comprehend, court, consort that either without a basic understanding of metaphysics.

A) The very base template of metaphysics is air , earth, fire, and water.
B) How those elements court and consort with spirit.

What most of the new age plops out there is something that comes from the heart and the heart can teach you. Heart centered teachings. Lol. Those teachings exist, but they aren't in the heart. Which clears up for me why people can't learn them. Their 'teachers' are misdirecting them because the 'teachers' don't under stand them because they skipped right over what would allow them to understand.


With that said, new agers exepct others to understand what they themselves have failed to grasp. That's why it seems like its a game of pretend. This is why people criticize the new age. It's negative. Meaning its deficient or lacking or has otherwise had something taken away from it.

Put upon new agers who feel as if the new age is being attacked COULD fix that.

[9eagle9]

A suggestion if you want to deal with your ego.

Ego is air, fire, water, and earth. It doesn't consort with spirit.

Moving our air, fire, water and earth so it consorts with spirit, allows spirit to tame the ego. You are trying to 'deal' with the ego from an unarmed place. All humans have lived many lives with ego, because all humans are composed of air, water, fire, and earth to a certain extent. If you lack any of these in any strong way you will have a place made for an ego issue. The symptom of this malady 'is a savior, hero, teacher to come save me'

Because your hero has the door barred against it. We know this on some level and yearn for it but look for it externally


Unity is only bringing one's inner elements into balance so they can court and consort with other individuals.The river is no longer damned from the ocean. There is no unity where everyone is squashed into one mold. There is no equality, in an healthy environment there can be no equality because everything is in flux, ebb, tide, evolution and revolution. Balance doesn't equate unity. Balance doesn't even mean equality. These are concepts of air that spirit can't temper because we don't understand what is going on in our air, fire, water and earth to allow them to interact with spirit in a healthy way.

People who apply and understand this very simple a,b,c,d, 1,2,3,4 principals of ourselves in the material world don't struggle with their egos. It's a matter of imbalance



Starseed's definition = the mechanism driven by personal fears that leads to undesirable selections in one's life.
Finefeather's definition = the distinctions that step down from Source to create individuality.

Both are correct in my view but are speaking about different levels.

Ego is created by the paralyzing force some call "Satan" or more simply the forces of separation. Matter is spirit paralyzed into the physical state, the forces of separation act strongly on matter. You could cal this result "ego". In the mind, the effect is the same -- consider the term "paralyzed with fear". It is a reductive concept that while in the mind, seeks to alleviate it's fears and create gain for its self (out of fear of lack).

Starseed is refering to the ego in the mind whereas Finefeather is referring to a more generalized term. This wasn't hard to see at all, and it behooves us all to start relying less on our "difference engine" which only seeks to find differences and not likenesses. Words are labels -- not the concept they try to represent.

This is not an attack on individualism, but mere distinctions to clarify understanding one another, I feel there is great lack in this area, and this misunderstanding drives perceived attacks on individuals or individialisms.

My 2 cents ;)

Well said, DeDukshyn.

I should also add that english is not my native language so I might sometimes have difficulties expressing myself.

Dealing with ego has been exceptionally hard issue for me, because I have not lived too many lives as human with an ego. It has been difficult for me to cope in this heavy density.

Individuality is important on this level of life, but when we start to see beyond the veil we start to understand the way of unity more and more. I do not mean to force "oneness" or any belief to anyone, but that is the way that I understand life.

Now I'm a human and I have to deal with it. :)

[DeDukshyn]

On reducing ego ... (as an addition to the previous post addressing Starseed)

I think I might also say (as a possible elaboration on what was said) that there can be no discord between your "mind" or "ethereal self" and your physical expressions in the form of actions / words / selections. At least for me I found this was the case. When there is this discord, imbalance is created between mind and matter.

If one considers how much randomly useless thinking one does in a day and then sees how none of that lines up with any expression or action, there is this discord. I don't need to say to myself in my head "I should have a banana", before I get a banana. If I have the urge to eat a banana I can just go get it and eat it. People think they need to think about everything all the time. They do not, and it does not serve them well. Toltec wisdom (via Miguel Ruiz) claims that a human's "power" is tied up in his language, in his words -- I won't be able to explain it as well as he does, so I won't.

It appears that ego enters the mind as a dominant force in a person at the time language is learned (small child). This is when we begin to think with words. Before that, we could not think with words. I heard a Mayan say once that the more a person thinks, the less powerful he becomes. This is due to the discord I was referring to earlier.

This may be a bit simplistic, but it is how I started reducing my ego, and I found it very effective, but conviction and never giving up is required in practice. It is not an easy task to stop the useless thinking. ;)

My 2 cents, if it helps ;)


A suggestion if you want to deal with your ego.

Ego is air, fire, water, and earth. It doesn't consort with spirit.

Moving our air, fire, water and earth so it consorts with spirit, allows spirit to tame the ego. You are trying to 'deal' with the ego from an unarmed place. All humans have lived many lives with ego, because all humans are composed of air, water, fire, and earth to a certain extent. If you lack any of these in any strong way you will have a place made for an ego issue. The symptom of this malady 'is a savior, hero, teacher to come save me'

Because your hero has the door barred against it. We know this on some level and yearn for it but look for it externally


Unity is only bringing one's inner elements into balance so they can court and consort with other individuals.The river is no longer damned from the ocean. There is no unity where everyone is squashed into one mold. There is no equality, in an healthy environment there can be no equality because everything is in flux, ebb, tide, evolution and revolution. Balance doesn't equate unity. Balance doesn't even mean equality. These are concepts of air that spirit can't temper because we don't understand what is going on in our air, fire, water and earth to allow them to interact with spirit in a healthy way.

People who apply and understand this very simple a,b,c,d, 1,2,3,4 principals of ourselves in the material world don't struggle with their egos. It's a matter of imbalance



Starseed's definition = the mechanism driven by personal fears that leads to undesirable selections in one's life.
Finefeather's definition = the distinctions that step down from Source to create individuality.

Both are correct in my view but are speaking about different levels.

Ego is created by the paralyzing force some call "Satan" or more simply the forces of separation. Matter is spirit paralyzed into the physical state, the forces of separation act strongly on matter. You could cal this result "ego". In the mind, the effect is the same -- consider the term "paralyzed with fear". It is a reductive concept that while in the mind, seeks to alleviate it's fears and create gain for its self (out of fear of lack).

Starseed is refering to the ego in the mind whereas Finefeather is referring to a more generalized term. This wasn't hard to see at all, and it behooves us all to start relying less on our "difference engine" which only seeks to find differences and not likenesses. Words are labels -- not the concept they try to represent.

This is not an attack on individualism, but mere distinctions to clarify understanding one another, I feel there is great lack in this area, and this misunderstanding drives perceived attacks on individuals or individialisms.

My 2 cents ;)

Well said, DeDukshyn.

I should also add that english is not my native language so I might sometimes have difficulties expressing myself.

Dealing with ego has been exceptionally hard issue for me, because I have not lived too many lives as human with an ego. It has been difficult for me to cope in this heavy density.

Individuality is important on this level of life, but when we start to see beyond the veil we start to understand the way of unity more and more. I do not mean to force "oneness" or any belief to anyone, but that is the way that I understand life.

Now I'm a human and I have to deal with it. :)

[Youniverse]

The human ego is actually you, the one who is thinking now, so why try to pretend it is not you.
Same as we blame everyone else for our poor 'grades' we have now even found an ego to blame.
We never blame ourselves because that would be admitting our weaknesses...so we just invented the ego to take care of the holes in our attitude.
You will have an ego till the day you don't exist anymore...get used to it...and perfect it.

I know that my ego is not me, it is just a part of my mind. My ego is the role that allows me express myself here. I also know that my ego has caused a great deal of pain to me during my lifetime and I am not too fond of it. My ego is truly not my inner self... The true consciousness and awareness in me. Eternal awareness is more than "me". I am not an enlightened person so I go through all the emotions that humans do. I get hurt, angry, happy etc. When my existence on this level stops all that happens is that my ego and body dies, but what remains is something more divine and beautiful.

I have started to understand my ego and I can almost silence it during meditation, but yet my conscious mind is still powerful and most of the time it has it's control over me. I guess that it's a lifelong journey to overcome your ego or mind... If that is your path. All of us eventually get there and a massive shift is happening in human consciousness right now. Then the ego will shut up for good and stay in the backseat.

I like what Eckhart Tolle has to say about the ego.
Hi Starseed...it is important for you not to see this post as a rebuff of your post, I actually understand your point and agree with most of it. I am just offering you here another way of understanding this, and just wish to extend my hand out to you.

I do not know what Eckhart Tolle has to say about the ego, because I have not read anything he has written, but if he knows truth then he will know that the ego, which we here on earth have so much to complain about, is actually the very thing that is our individuality. It is known as the Divine Ego or Causal Body in some ancient writings, and it is what might be described as our current aggregate of our past lives. This Divine Ego is the thing which initiates and causes incarnation into bodies in order to work on our individual shortcomings and we have called this our personality...our “I”...this is our Ego on the physical plane. This is the very thing we have incarnated for, to perfect...we are on the return path back to our individual sources or Monads or what has been called our Higher Self ...we are all Sons of one of the Planetary Logi...unless you are from outside our solar system...which I doubt.

If you say you know that your ego is not yours then all you are doing is recognising some traits and attitudes in yourself which you are aware of which are not how you would like to see yourself...this is good and as it should be...but it is still an integral part of you at this stage of your life. We see this as a separate entity, which it is not, because this is the part we need to work on in this current life.
Some of us fail to see this and want to separate it from our existence as if it were some attached entity which does not belong to them. This is the mistake that most seem to make...purely because most do not understand the constitution of our Being. Every mistake we have made, or bad attitude we have displayed in all our lives is retained for the entire existence of our life as an incarnating Divine Ego...this is our dormant past...it never goes away...it is just chalked up as part of our experiences along our long journey...it is also the source of our past lives.
To overcome this side of us, which we have termed the ego, we need to recognise that all have some failings and that all are here incarnated for one reason only...and that is to raise our state of 'enlightenment' by recognising and doing something about those thoughts and attitudes which are preventing us from evolution.

So what is this part of us then that can recognise this part of us which we conveniently separate and call the ego? It is our higher mental faculties of reasoning and abstract thinking which has made an appearance in our conscious thinking lives. This part of our Being is what we seek to develop on our journey and some have more of this higher mind and some have less of it manifested in their ordinary consciousness at any given point. The more of this higher mental thinking is manifest the more we will start to see the bits of us which are 'not up to standard” with the goals of your chosen evolution. This becomes our way of self assessment of our progress along our journey. Most out their are still unable to do this self assessment, so those who can are well on their journey. The higher we go the more easily we can see our faults, but they remain our faults...our record, of our long struggle back to source.

So I say again the ego is a part of us and will always remain with us for our entire journey, it will become more and more in tune until a point where it's seeming nuisance will be mastered and it will become a necessary tool in our lives on earth. If you think you can live without an ego, you are going to be in for a surprise. The word “ego” has been bashed around and turned into another demon all because of our ignorance and failure to recognise our true life make-up. We are all Divine Egos or Divine “I's”...words and meanings confuse the issue because in the higher realms, forms become concepts and concepts are difficult to put into words.

Love to All
Ray

Hello Finefeather! I too agree with most of what you and Starseed are saying and don not intend any rebuff here. I have thoroughly read Tolle's work and I resonate with what he says about the ego. I might add that Tolle asks the question, "when you are noticing your ego at work, who is it that notices this?" You mentioned something about "higher mental faculties of reasoning and abstract thinking." I'm not quite sure what you mean in this context but I'll take your word for it. Tolle says that it is our true Being that notices the ego. At any rate, Tolle reminds us to never try to 'resist' the ego, since resistance only creates more resistance, rather to notice the ego and set it aside. This is essentially what is happening during meditation. What we resist, persists, as they say.

I was wondering if you could tell me more about our planetary logi that you mentioned. I'm not sure that I've heard of that. Thanks.

[greybeard]

Ultimately there is no me to have an ego.
Ego is identification with the me thought.
You are not your thoughts, anything that comes and goes in not permanent--you are permanent--eternal.

Anyway there is an ocean of words about the non-existant ego here and quite a few videos including Eckhart Tolle ones
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.&p=7764&viewfull=1#post7764

Happy searching
Chris

[meeradas]

It's "unhappy searching", Chris.
Sorry: :focus:

[9eagle9]

I can imagine. We are misdirected in our search then we have higher truths plopped on top of what we can't know for ourselves which get translated into being the icing on top of a tin can in that way. They lose all meaning when plopped on a hollow core. They ARE higher truths but if you can't know them for yourself they feel rather empty. A pity people aren't taught how to understand we are too diffuse to be only a me or an I.

One has to be prepared to meet spirit. Otherwise it turns into just another blind date.


It's "unhappy searching", Chris.
Sorry: :focus:

[Youniverse]

I can imagine. We are misdirected in our search then we have higher truths plopped on top of what we can't know for ourselves which get translated into being the icing on top of a tin can in that way. They lose all meaning when plopped on a hollow core. They ARE higher truths but if you can't know them for yourself they feel rather empty. A pity people aren't taught how to understand we are too diffuse to be only a me or an I.

One has to be prepared to meet spirit. Otherwise it turns into just another blind date.


It's "unhappy searching", Chris.
Sorry: :focus:

Ha ha! I like your last statement about the blind date! Very clever!

[enfoldedblue]

Here is an excerpt from a thread I started a while ago that I feel is relevant: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42318-Overcoming-Duality




I believe the key to real transformation lies in exploring and re-claiming our darkness.
From childhood we are taught to reject aspects of ourselves that society teaches us to perceive as negative. This creates an internal state of division...WHICH ACTS TO RE-INFORCE THE EXTERNAL STATE OF DIVISION (which of course is the goal of TPTB)! This is the real BIG SECRET that they want to keep from us...the real key to transforming our outer world is to transform our inner worlds. AND THE KEY TO THIS IS LOVE...ok now there may be some eye rolling now (which is the programmed response). Any self-respecting rational person will see this as just more new age jargon, but this is exactly what TPTB want...they want the baby to be thrown out with the bathwater.

They don’t want us to know that we are each fragments of the whole...and like fractals each contain ALL the elements of the whole.

I feel that the real secret that is being withheld from us is the fact that the key to our evolution is well and truly within, but the way to reach it is that we need to integrate all our inner aspects, including the depths of our darkness. Without the integration of our darkness we can never truly become whole, and we will always be able to be controlled by fear.

Hi EnfoldedBlue,

Could you give a suggestion about how to integrate the shadow?

Hi Swan, Sorry I haven't replied sooner. I have been on the road going to pick my step daughter up for the summer holidays. Things are always very chaotic during this period so I really don't have a lot of time to play on Avalon ATM. But I will quickly say that for me the first step was to be open to the process.
Here is an excerpt from my website that you may find useful. This part is about connecting and healing emotional energy stored in the body, there is also information on the site about internal dialogue and sound and body movement if you are interested :).


Because the energy stored in the body is emotional in nature, this process can cause powerful thoughts and feelings to arise. As usual, the answer again is to allow and resist judgement of any kind. Remember we all contain EVERYTHING, and that the feelings that have been suppressed are emotionally charged BECAUSE we have JUDGED them undesirable and pushed them away...thus we perceive them as more powerful than they actually are. When we allow them to BE, without judgement, the charge is released and they cease to have any power over us. With practice you will come to welcome whatever surfaces, be it feelings of fear, humiliation, shame, etc because you know that they are no longer being carried around in your being. You feel them and release them.

However, if something does surface that feels too much, please don’t force yourself to sit with it. Forcing is never the answer and often tends to do more harm than good. In order to return to wholeness every part of you needs to feel safe and honoured. You can step away from this process at anytime and return when you feel ready. There are also many professionals who are highly adept at shifting energy who can assist.

Note: There is a fine line between feeling these feelings and being swept away by them, or wallowing in them. For example if something comes up that triggers deep sadness, it is healing to allow the tears to flow. However, there may be a point when the sadness shifts from a genuine release, to a self-indulgent state of ‘poor me’, where we shift from observer to victim. Wallowing in victimhood does not facilitate healing. The more practiced you become at processing and releasing stored emotional energy, the clearer this line will become. You will feel the subtle shift as the energy moves away from healing alignment and be able to quickly pull out of the sway and return to the point of observer.

Unfortunately this is not a one off affair. Years, and even lifetimes, of suppressing feelings and emotions means that most of us have A LOT of stored unprocessed energy. Luckily the energies of today are very supportive of healing, and clearing can happen a lot more quickly than it used to. Eventually once a healthy mind body connection is established, this process will become almost second nature. Nowadays I instantly feel my body’s reaction to emotional stimulus and can make an immediate correction by allowing and releasing.


http://mysticalchemyarts.com/techniques.php

[Jeffrey]

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[Freed Fox]

UrAgb1-UKQ8

This is mostly old news to me, and it doesn't give me any sort of affirmation that there's a point to any of this. If anything I would conclude that there are too many of us here for our own good. In which case I guess the NWO guys might actually have it right.