Phoenix Lights

[humanalien]

I was just wondering if anyone has done any
work with the images of the pheonix lights.

I was just trying to change the colors - hues -
saturations of a few images, to see if i could
make out the shape of a craft of some sort,
connected to those lights, but i got nothing.

Was anyone ever able to make out the image
of a spacecraft, connected with those lights?

[mojo]

If you consider some eyewitness testimony than yes..

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[DreamsInDigital]

The original Phoenix Lights were a small fleet of Rigellian Humanoids, not sure about the ones of recent years...

[WhiteFeather]

I thought those objects in Phoenix were found out to be nothing but synchroneous Chinese Lanterns made in The USA and running on zero point energy. It was debunked already wasnt it? Nothing to see here people, move on now!

[DreamsInDigital]

Right, like the weather balloon that crashed in Roswell in 1947...

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

I believe two different things happened during this event.

There was a real huge craft, alien or not, like many eyewitnesses report. There´s no doubt about that. So many independent and unrelated eyewitnesses couldn´t be lying. Period.

A lot of witnesses describe a huge delta shaped craft, moving slowly with absolutely no noise, almost pitch black in color.

After receiving the reports, as a counter measure, the air force deployed air signalers/flairs as a decoy, to discredit the phenomenon posteriorly.

Here´s a video of what I believe to be flairs/signalers. These videos were made after the hundreds of reports about the sighting. Look how they are misaligned (03:16) and flickering, and how they fade out in the opposite order as they lit up. You can even imagine the path of the airplane which deployed them.

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This, of course, caused a lot of confusion, as it was supposed to do.

In my opinion, mass sightings and multiple eyewitnesses are the core of ufology, like in this case; videos and pictures are just secondary/complementary data.

I believe the military used the same strategy in Roswell. I´ve read somewhere, a long time ago, that the real crash happened in Utah and that the whole Roswell operation was a decoy, a distraction.

Really, I can´t understand why the people from Phoenix (and the whole country) didn´t demand an official coherent answer about what happened there. The official explanation is clearly just a stupid disinformation campaign.

Cheers,

Raf.

[humanalien]

From what i have read, the craft was sort of V shaped.
Several witnesses saw that craft flying toward them and
over top of them and all the lights on the craft, stayed
in the same positions as if mounted onto something.

I downloaded what i thought were images of those lights
but maybe what i got, were the flares, that were used later
on.

Where can i get a original photo of the pheonix lights?

[Grinner]

Maybe they were working on these:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2257201/The-astonishing-Aeroscraft--new-type-rigid-airship-thats-set-revolutionise-haulage-tourism--warfare.html

[humanalien]

I don't think that is it Grinner. Some people reported
that the craft was a dark black color, so that would rule
out anything with a reflective surface.

I'm no professional, when working with imaging software
but every photo that i found of the pheonix lights, shows
nothing in-between lights.

I'm going to have to side with DreamsInDigital on this one.
Either those lights were actually a small fleet of alien craft
or possibly they were indeed flares or chinese lanterns.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I'm going to have to side with DreamsInDigital on this one. Either those lights were actually a small fleet of alien craft
or possibly they were indeed flares or chinese lanterns.

There are more options then just the ones stated above, i remember "Charles"making a comment about this that sounded quite plausible to me, listen for yourself, whatever one might think of Charles, he certainly has made a few good points and observations about things discussed in the interview, his observation/knowledge or presumed knowledge regarding large traingular craft could be accurate imo, lego technics for the very big boys if you will. If 40 years ago they could fuel a stale old ass jet in mid air the conventional way, imagine what can be done in an "unconventional way", when we assume the current stage of tech/science is hundreds of years ahead of what we are told or what is shared with the general public.


samples of triangle shapes.

nrich.maths.org/public/leg.php?code=-312

Minute...8.28 to 9.28, this whole part is worth a listen imo, whatever it means or it is true or not, it IS interesting and plausible.

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[humanalien]

I've heard the story of creatures that are natural
to our atmosphere before and i will put it in there
as a possibility but do any of them produce their
own light?

I think that the small triangle craft that can hook
together like lego's, is a better possibility. When
split apart, each segment could produce it own
light and that would explain why i couldn't find
anything solid in-between each light.

They probably flew in - in formation and then gaves
us all a good light show, before winking out and
disappearing.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

RMorgan is exactly right. This is pretty much what happened in Phoenix in 97. First, there was the initial sighting of an anomalous boomerang-shaped object that awed many as it silently floated across the state. This object was absolutely real, and definitely not one of ours.

In a desperate attempt to have this sighting pigeon-holed as mundane, explained, nothing-to-see-here-folks, move on, in the minds of the public, they staged a "see, this is what you saw" event over Phoenix with the dropping of military flares.

This subsequent, second 'sighting' had the desired effect of relegating the previous and quite genuine anomaly as 'probably flares, military exercises', at least in the minds of the people who didn't actually see the first one.

There you have it. The real 97 event is now largely forgotten, only the 'flares' are ever debated these days, and not for long when you consider they were, well, flares. That ladies and gents is how you do it. Clever isn't it? Case dismissed.

[humanalien]

The boomerang shaped craft was the first thing that
i heard about the pheonix lights. Then i heard about
the lights that shown from the craft.

I tried to lighten the background image of the pheonix
lights, expecting to see the outline of a craft from that
but that didn't work.

Everything else i tried, only showed the lights, with
nothing connecting them. That is why i think that these
were several smaller craft, flying in formation. That doesn't
mean that i am right though.

[humanalien]

I don't think that there are any original video
or pictures of the pheonix lights. I've read a few
different posts and articles on this and some give
different days this was suppose to have happened.

Originally, it was 3-13-97 but i found another one
saying it happened around 3-16-97. Then we have
several different stories from random people that saw
different things.

One saw a v-shaped craft, one saw a triangle shaped
craft and then what we all see now, the lights popping
on and then back off in a semi straight line.

One lady says that her sighting was at 8:30 pm and the
rest say it happened at 9:30pm, on 3-13-97. At least
they got the date right.

Some guy from AboveTopSecret, claims to have been an
airman at a near-by military base when this happened.
Although he wasn't there to see what happened, he claims
that his sources told him that 2 F-16's were sent out that
night.

One of them chased the real ufo into mexico, where it quickly
blinked off their radar and the other one, laid out flares for
people to see.

I think all the video and pictures that we find, are of the flares
and not the real craft.

One guy claimed to have had original footage of the craft but
he got a visit by men in black(MIB) and they took his footage.

I'm certain that there is a whole lot of disinfo out there about
this incident and we may never know the real truth..

[RMorgan]

I don't think that there are any original video
or pictures of the pheonix lights. I've read a few
different posts and articles on this and some give
different days this was suppose to have happened.

I´ve never seen any videos as well besides the flair videos.

I guess the witnesses didn´t have the time to film, and, back in 97, people didn´t have cameras everywhere like today.

Maybe even the people who filmed the flairs were involved in the counter measure operation...Who knows...

Anyway, what counts for me is the multiple witnesses reports. That´s all that matters.

Hundreds of people saw the craft. It was there.

We have another famous UFO case here in Brazil, where a huge UFO appeared to hundreds of people during a minor soccer game. Nobody filmed it, but it was there. People saw it. A very similar case happened in Italy, during a soccer game as well. I guess UFOs like soccer. :)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I've heard the story of creatures that are natural to our atmosphere before and i will put it in there as a possibility but do any of them produce their own light?

Some fish, jellyfish and algae are bioluminecent, how about fireflies, so when deep space can be viewed as an ocean....................

How about this Human Alien, check out this picture of me and look at the orbs behind me, big blue one and a green and red one, the story is, a friend of mine is a fighter too ( he fights to win, i fight to play) anyway he needed a good photo for a poster and i had no camera at that time but he did, the image you see is taken in broad daylight ( the room was flooded with it) and the lights were on too, for some reason this image turned out this dark, and if it didnt i would never have never known what was looming behind me, these are lifeforms too imo, and luminesant in this case, or at least radiating color.

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I guess UFOs like soccer.

Or hooligans, depending on their nature or intentions, extradimensional antropologists would have a blast during a soccer game, thats some odd behaviour right there for them, grinn.

[humanalien]

My daughter took a picture of her grandmother in
a funeral home one day. She was using a digital
camera. After she took the picture, she looked at it
and it showed a whole lot of orbs in the room. Some
were even half way out of a wall, like they were coming
through the wall.

Some people say that this effect is nothing more than
dust floating around in the room and the flash from the
camera, reflects off of the dust, creating an orb shape.

She also took a picture at a cemetery at night and got
a few orbs in the picture to.

So, is it really light reflecting off of dust or is it spirits
floating around. Or like you say, maybe it's another life
form that we know nothing about. Who knows?

[kanishk]

I have seen this angular craft in evening of summer in year 2010. At that time I was not unaware about UFO's and Aliens.

I saw an array of stars in angular fashion and moving very slowly at very high height. Because at that time I was aware about UFO's I don't want to loose the sight of that craft and to get telescope for watching. I thought of shouting to ask for telescope but then thought it will take time and should just watch it myself.

At that time electricity power was gone for that area because of load shedding, air was also very still, and very few sounds. Because of load shedding I was laying on terrace and watched something flying in the corner of eye.

Sometimes jet planes and air force planes use to fly over at that area from very lower to higher altitudes. But this craft was making no nose and moving very slowly. When it was just above by head it was very difficult to guess the span of the craft because there are just star, and I tried to see wether there is something between those lights, but the sky was dark at that time. I might have watched it for may be around 3 minutes or more. And when it reached the angle of view of around may be 40 or 35 degrees it became very difficult for me to recognize it from other stars. So according to my guess its span may be around 4 jetplanes to 8 jet planes. And when it was just above my head, it's size was like 'A jetplane making noise like waking people at night'. And if it was moving at constant velocity and at same altitude, then I figure it might be around 8 or may be 10 jetplanes wider.

Well nowadays there is not problem of jetplaes crossing in that area.

I didn't know what this type of UFO's are called, searched like 'L shaped UFO's' etc. but recently got this world 'Phoenix light' and therefore found this thread.

I want to know what are names given to this type of UFO's and which type of aliens use this type of craft...? What there might be the reasons for using this much big ship by aliens?

[Star Tsar]

In celebration of...


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Episode 622 | Dr Lynne Kitei - 20th Anniversary Pheonix Lights

Aired 9th March 2017 | Published 10th March 2017

First up is John Rappaport With No More Fake Newsroom, Then Dr Kitei enters the bunker to talk about America's best UFO sighting: The Pheonix Lights, The controversy that surrounds it & its upcoming 20th anniversary.

Program notes here:http://jimmychurchradio.com/

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[onawah]

BEST PHOENIX LIGHTS DOCUMENTARY EVER MADE
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/best-phoenix-lights-documentary-ever-made/
"I’ve extolled the talents of the young Mouthy Buddha before. His latest piece offers the best coverage of the 1997 Phoenix Lights case that I’ve ever seen, full of details I’d never previously heard, including a classic Men In Black story and former Phoenix Vice Mayor, Frances Barwood.

Barwood’s politically-unsupported pursuit of the truth saw her ridiculed in the press. The city government refused to engage the thousands of witnesses looking for answers so she became the personal recipient of their calls and correspondence. Barwood remembers her calls with a disabled veteran named Richard Curtis who owned professional video equipment and who said he’d captured high-quality images of the large object hovering over the valley that revealed the outline of the craft. Two weeks after sending her the video tape, he called her to ask her what she thought. She’d never received it.

Curtis explained that he’d been on his way to make a duplicate for her when he was intercepted by two men who claimed to be from her office, who offered to make the duplicate for him. Barwood says she only had women working in her office. The manager at the hotel where Curtis lived told Barwood’s investigators that he’d seen a black car pull up from which emerged two men who “looked identical”, wearing dark glasses, black hats and black three-piece suits (in Arizona!) going towards his room. The last she’d heard, Curtis had had a bad reaction to a change in his medication and had been taken away. Nobody knew what had become of him.

Mouthy takes the most relevant snippets from the existing documentaries about the case and puts them together in one place with his usual pizzazz."
Alexandra Bruce
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Mouthy Buddha
Published on Sep 12, 2018

[conk]

There was an analysis done of the lights, using equipment designed to differentiate between a variety of sources. Lights have unique signatures that the equipment can register and compare to known signatures. The Phoenix lights definitely did not match the signature of flares or any known lights previously cataloged. When some authority claims the lights are flares that is immediate acknowledgement of fraud and prevarication. This deepens the mystery and generates more interest and more questions. People are naturally curious and want to know what this odd phenomenon was.

[DNA]

There was an analysis done of the lights, using equipment designed to differentiate between a variety of sources. Lights have unique signatures that the equipment can register and compare to known signatures. The Phoenix lights definitely did not match the signature of flares or any known lights previously cataloged. When some authority claims the lights are flares that is immediate acknowledgement of fraud and prevarication. This deepens the mystery and generates more interest and more questions. People are naturally curious and want to know what this odd phenomenon was.
I was living in Phoenix when the light show took place.

I've heard quite a few really good stories.

My wife says they indeed looked like balls of fire in a V shape, she says they moved very slowly and that you could not see the stars through the mass of whatever was in the middle of the lights.

A buddy of mine has one of the best videos of the Phoenix lights I've ever seen. He let me see the video and it was exactly like the Phoenix lights we see depicted from March 13 1997, but he recorded this in 2001, 2002 and 2003. He has seen the Phoenix lights from a vantage point about an hour north of Phoenix as the I-17 will take you right outside of Lake Pleasant. The craft would come from the North pass directly over my buddies head and head south and before getting to Phoenix it would veer off to the West towards Luke Air Force Base.

The times this thing would fly led me and my buddy to see a pattern that seemed very human in terms of a schedule of sorts.

I should mention that my buddy worked as an over night security guard at a place that was out in the middle of no where that specialized in long term tests of paints and primers as they are exposed to the elements. My buddy saw the lights half a dozen times or more, but his co-workers that worked on his off nights saw them as well. I was always in disbelief that no one reported this, even my buddy who had recorded this wouldn't let me get a copy of it because he was in the video and he didn't want to be associated with it.

[Mike]

No, no, Marcus you must have not heard yet. This has all been fully explained.

It was swamp gas.:)

No, sorry..."flares". Sigh.

I have a feeling - just a feeling, for that it's worth - that this craft was one of ours. It was an unprecedented event, with the craft operating at an altitude we're not accustomed to seeing ufo's at; and the size of the thing was anomalous too...most ufo reported/seen are considerably smaller. Plus the way it lingered there...

Also, the first sighting that night I believe was in Nevada, and the triangle was reported to have made a whooshing noise..like the sound of wind or something. I think the authentic triangle craft make no noise, so that was the first giveaway.

It just had all the markings of a PR event, or a trial run. Hello! Look at me. Ufo's are real! Using that area as a small sample size, whoever was behind it (if it was indeed ours) was able to get quite a bit of info on human reaction - in all its forms and ramifications - to the event.

[Bob]

There was an analysis done of the lights, using equipment designed to differentiate between a variety of sources. Lights have unique signatures that the equipment can register and compare to known signatures. The Phoenix lights definitely did not match the signature of flares or any known lights previously cataloged. When some authority claims the lights are flares that is immediate acknowledgement of fraud and prevarication. This deepens the mystery and generates more interest and more questions. People are naturally curious and want to know what this odd phenomenon was.

Do you have the link to the study/analysis so I can see what equipment was used, what tests done, and what the 'signatures' of the lights are?

(PS - isn't the spelling supposed to be PHOENIX for the title? There are NUMEROUS hits on searching for the mis-spelling though.. Wonder why so many have chosen the 'wrong' spelling? including the OP?)

[conk]

There was an analysis done of the lights, using equipment designed to differentiate between a variety of sources. Lights have unique signatures that the equipment can register and compare to known signatures. The Phoenix lights definitely did not match the signature of flares or any known lights previously cataloged. When some authority claims the lights are flares that is immediate acknowledgement of fraud and prevarication. This deepens the mystery and generates more interest and more questions. People are naturally curious and want to know what this odd phenomenon was.

Do you have the link to the study/analysis so I can see what equipment was used, what tests done, and what the 'signatures' of the lights are?

(PS - isn't the spelling supposed to be PHOENIX for the title? There are NUMEROUS hits on searching for the mis-spelling though.. Wonder why so many have chosen the 'wrong' spelling? including the OP?)

Sorry Bob, I can't remember what show it was. Likely one of the shows produced for the History Channel. May have been the UFO Hunters group.

[Did You See Them]

My avatar is a pic I took of one close up, ( one of about a hundred ) in Jan 2008 UK - 4 days after Stevenville sighting in USA ( I believe it to be the same craft/crafts ).

They appeared to move as one - although looking like individual spheres. (spheres were RED not Blue to my and my sons eye - but came out blue on all photos ??? )

[Ascension]

[QUOTE=conk;1248137]

(PS - isn't the spelling supposed to be PHOENIX for the title? There are NUMEROUS hits on searching for the mis-spelling though.. Wonder why so many have chosen the 'wrong' spelling? including the OP?)

Think it's misspelled frequently because it's phonetically PHE nix. Just noticed that iPhone X is an anagram for phoenix.

The mobile phone that rises from the ashes to cause brain damage in children everywhere. :/

[Mike]

(PS - isn't the spelling supposed to be PHOENIX for the title? There are NUMEROUS hits on searching for the mis-spelling though.. Wonder why so many have chosen the 'wrong' spelling? including the OP?)


Think it's misspelled frequently because it's phonetically PHE nix. Just noticed that iPhone X is an anagram for phoenix.

The mobile phone that rises from the ashes to cause brain damage in children everywhere. :/



Thanks guys. Spelling has been corrected.

[Spellbound]

Any way we could merge the 2 threads about the Lights??

Dave - Toronto

[Bob]

Well here is the thing

Each light source can tell us about the source of the illumination, as can each darkness tell us about how it can mask-illumination...

By its action or in-action it defines itself. We can observe and analyze. Whether we are able to objectify depends on our ruthlessness to abstain from personal bias and be crucially if not 100% solidly true to objectiveness

That's the bottom line

We can party on

Or we can get to the root

Me hey. I care to share with the group. Personally I'd be a bit biased. Find out what's there as something that could create such an effect certainly is formidable. Maybe something is more there than just military shenanigans playing with mindfk experiments..

My beliefs from delving into the warped mindsets within the powers that be is they are relying on a set group of instructions how to probe social media. How we all react or not gives them a data spreadsheet so to speak, how to gauge us. We are their threat. We understand who they are.. How much of a threat to their plans comes from how much we enlighten folks in how to analyze

You have all heard bill r time and time again, say learn how to analyze and how to critique.

Phoenix lights. Kewel. Show me the spectrum

Same with 911 event

Each image contains exactly the fuel constitituents. What was there or not.. Analyzing the light tells us what made it..

Watch for those that deviate or hide the light

Seriously

ANALYZE the light and what is covering up that spectrum.

[Helvetic]

One of the best interviews I heard about the Phoenix Lights.

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Mike Fortson is very likely the very best informed eye witness to the events that have come to be known as the Phoenix Lights. He talks about why these events were not actually the Phoenix Lights, and provides a lot of vital information that is never reported in the vain-stream-media.

Provided as a courtesy of https://kevinsmithshow.info

[Foxie Loxie]

"vain-stream-media"-----EXCELLENT way of putting it! :ROFL:

[Debra]

One of the best interviews I heard about the Phoenix Lights.

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Mike Fortson is very likely the very best informed eye witness to the events that have come to be known as the Phoenix Lights. He talks about why these events were not actually the Phoenix Lights, and provides a lot of vital information that is never reported in the vain-stream-media.

Provided as a courtesy of https://kevinsmithshow.info

Miss Kevin Smith. Thanks for reviving him Helvetic

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[Inversion]

I was watching UFO Hunters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_Hunters) (S2, E6) Arizona Lights last night. The huge craft may have been absorbing energy from the earth or a pyramid beneath Phoenix. It reminded me of the episode (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121830-The-Why-Files&p=1601991&viewfull=1#post1601991) of The Why Files called The Dark Pyramid of Alaska where it's speculated it's used as a type of refuel station for UFO's. Could there be a pyramid under Phoenix? That city has eighteen streets (https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix-history/2023/10/25/downtown-phoenix-streets-named-after-presidents/71077518007/) named after presidents.

The Music of Time (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114560-Peter-Moon-Books&p=1432036&viewfull=1#post1432036)

P157. In the 1930’s ultrasonic scanning revealed a pyramid under Montauk. It was estimated to be one to two miles square and three miles high or 15,840 ft/4,828 m.

09/01/23 (44:43)
The show ran from 01/30/08 to 10/29/09 with 39 episodes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e37rD3jbWDM