What's The End Game?

[Fred Steeves]

"What's the end game"? What are all these false flags, Sandy Hook being the most recent, leading to? I'm telling you straight up, these "people" don't give a rat's ass how much us relatively few people on these forums and such know, I would even surmise that they get off on it. While it's of course important to figure out what really went down, basically anyway, the details are a rabbit hole and a waste of time. A ritual is a ritual is a ritual.

See if this analogy works. In war, there is usually a bombing campaign on a city before attempting to physically invade it. They're softening up the target. Any thinking person under bombardment in the city is going to realize exactly what the situation is, and will be preparing for the eventuality of tanks and soldiers in the streets. If he gets lost in precisely figuring out the bombing campaign (What kind of bombs, how many bombs, what kind of planes, which ones are drones, what are the pilots thinking, etc.) He's making a terrible mistake.

These events are like a trail of bread crumbs, they're leading somewhere. The point is to follow them, even project into the future where they may be leading, not stopping at each one, and figuring out the exact recipe the baker used.

This is why I don't spend much time in the conspiracy section here arguing the finer points of what really brought the twin towers down, and other such details. The most important detail is that down they went, on purpose, and what WAS that purpose? Of course now in hindsight it's pretty clear, the perpetual false flag of the war on terror, and the systematic destruction of our freedoms.

Taking away our guns is only a part of these recent shootings, the story goes much deeper than that. I can feel it in my bones, and I know a lot of you can too. Something wicked this way cometh, (actually it's already here) and we had better be prepared. Both physically and spiritually.

[GCS1103]

Good post, Fred. I agree with your conclusion. Personally, I think the wickedness coming our way is more of a spiritual nature, carried out by puppets who think they run the world.

[gooty64]

Taking away our guns is only a part of these recent shootings, the story goes much deeper than that. I can feel it in my bones, and I know a lot of you can too. Something wicked this way cometh, (actually it's already here) and we had better be prepared. Both physically and spiritually.

Shhh Fred, this could get you in real trouble. :yield:

But seriously though, i am lately obsessed with the papa Bush timeline/bloodline. You know that's the one we are on don't you?
Nazi's-dead Kennedys-NWO-reptilian-blood-skullsbones-power etc

Although many have been saying that we Were/TPTW on that timeline and that now we have won......i'm not so sure I buy it:p

[Snoweagle]

The end game is global population at 500 million. They are currently on target for that.
The five elements will be taxed to the hilt - air, water, fire, earth and aether. They are on target with that as well.

Since the mid 1700s the elite have espoused genocide and national indoctrination into fiscal entrapment. They have been successful in that also.
Throughout, the elite have kept populations dumb down which needs no embellishment from me that has succeeded too.

And this analysis article today in the EU Observer has summed up the problem quite well:
http://euobserver.com/political/118631
This describes, as a snapshot, the methods used by the Elite throughout their historical campaign of domination with this articles reference to the political changes in Italy. A new election has been forced by Berlesconi as he had his party withdraw support from that of Monti, the outgoing Elite stooge. The Elite want their man Monti back in power and this analysis describes their frustration at having to do that.
Recommended reading:
. . . - it came just months after similar wangles by EU elites yanking the rug out from under Portugal's Jose Socrates and Greece's George Papandreou when they were deemed unreliable. Even some policy makers convinced that there is no alternative to austerity admit privately to feeling uncomfortable about the extra-democratic meddling.

This is the same method used in the American political theatre. All have been bought in some manner, few have been popularly elected, most have been enabled by electronic rigging of voting systems.

In summary, we are all gonna be dead by 2016.
Those unfortunate to be still alive will live in abject slavery and may consider them fortunate to be working in the Sahara desert in North Sudan building dams and viaducts supporting the new "inland sea" and desalination plants producing water for the US and EU as the fracking for gas has decimated the water tables on both continents.

End Game, we are living the end game, both sides of the pond.

[Fred Steeves]

Tell you what, I'll take a stab at what the fantasy future looks like, from the viewpoint of this energy. Total and complete domination, for starters that is. For the ultimate control freak though, that's not nearly enough. It wants it's subjects to not only willingly accept it, but to beg for it. To want it so bad that it will rip it's fellow subjects to shreds, in order to earn the privilege.

Imagine the ecstacy of this dark energy, savoring the culinary delight of a willful, self inflicted human bloodbath, all in the name of being worthy of it's dominion. It would be drooling like a hungry dog waiting for a fresh hunk of prime rib.

There's already hints of this watching mainstream media, who in my opinion are in the process of crossing the Rubicon. No longer are these people simply playing footsy, nodding and winking to a higher power, while getting paid and laid handsomly to spread disinformation. No, they are now making the conscious decision to dance with the devil so to speak, and ply their craft with blood on their hands. Same with many politicians. Welcome to your own personal, and self induced hell guys. Enjoy your stay, you're gonna love it...

Of note. This energy is NOT all powerful, it just seems that way. It can be tamed, it can be had, or it can even be transmuted into something beautiful, should it come to see the necessity to do so.

Nothing is impossible.

[sirdipswitch]

End game? Why not just start your own game? As I did. The perks are outrageously cool. cccccccccccccccccc:wizard:

[christian]

I think in general terms it's pretty clear, control and enslavement of humanity. This has such huge proportions after all, we're living in a world with aliens, highly advanced technology, and what-have-you, the real endgame is probably totally outlandish. I figure you're right, Fred, it's important to develop a discernment to read between the lines, to realize bigger patterns as well as the underlying task one has. Develop focus and a sight, that can put things in perspective.

Whatever the fine details of the endgame are, we're countering the unfoldment of it by becoming aware and acting towards responsible sovereignty. When it comes to all the details of the conspiracy, on one side it's really important to not get lost in those, but on the other side I appreciate Avalon as an academy of some kind where I can expand my knowledge and bounce ideas to be better equipped when I'm then out there outside the forum and put some efforts into educating those who want to learn, too. Plus I appreciate that I can expand my horizon as well of course.

Attaining knowledge/clarity is a valuable thing to do, but Juan Matus also described it as one of the four enemies of man. (http://san-favoritepassages.blogspot.de/#Article01)



And thus he has encountered his second enemy: Clarity! That clarity of mind, which is so hard to obtain, dispels fear, but also blinds. It forces the man never to doubt himself. It gives him the assurance he can do anything he pleases, for he sees clearly into everything. And he is courageous because he is clear, and he stops at nothing because he is clear. But all that is a mistake; it is like something incomplete. If the man yields to this make-believe power, he has succumbed to his second enemy and will be patient when he should rush. And he will fumble with learning until he winds up incapable of learning anything more. His second enemy has just stopped him cold from trying to become a man of knowledge. Instead, the man may turn into a buoyant warrior, or a clown. Yet the clarity for which he has paid so dearly will never change to darkness and fear again. He will be clear as long as he lives, but he will no longer learn, or yearn for, anything.

He must do what he did with fear: he must defy his clarity and use it only to see, and wait patiently and measure carefully before taking new steps; he must think, above all, that his clarity is almost a mistake. And a moment will come when he will understand that his clarity was only a point before his eyes. And thus he will have overcome his second enemy, and will arrive at a position where nothing can harm him anymore. This will not be a mistake. It will not be only a point before his eyes. It will be true power.

This is from Doug Hagmann's recent interview with a DHS source (http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310), about the next phase of the endgame:



How much clearer do you want it? The Second Amendment will be gone, along with the first, at least practically or operationally. The Constitution will be gone, suspended, at least in an operational sense. Maybe they won’t actually say that they are suspending it, but will do it. Like saying the sky is purple when it’s actually blue. How many people will look a the sky and say yeah, it’s purple? They see what they want to see.

So the DHS, working with other law enforcement organizations, especially the TSA as it stands right now, will oversee the confiscation of assault weapons, which includes all semi-automatic weapons following a period of so-called amnesty. It also includes shotguns that hold multiple rounds, or have pistol grips. They will go after the high capacity magazines, anything over, say 5 rounds.

They will also go after the ammunition, especially at the manufacturer’s level. They will require a special license for certain weapons, and make it impossible to own anything. More draconian than England. This is a global thing too. Want to hunt? What gives you the right to hunt their animals? Sound strange? I hope so, but they believe they own the animals. Do you understand now, how sick and twisted this is? Their mentality?

The obvious intent is to disarm American citizens. They will say that we’ll still be able to defend ourselves and go hunting, but even that will be severely regulated. This is the part that they are still working out, though. While the plans were made years ago, there is some argument over the exact details. I know that Napalitano, even with her support of the agenda, would like to see this take place outside of an E.O. [Executive Order] in favor of legislative action and even with UN involvement.

Nothing new though, gun confiscation, putting people in camps, the total police state. This is pretty much common knowledge now in the alternative arena, I figure.

[gooty64]

er, please pass the chocolate milk and white toast:blabla:

[RMorgan]

Fred,

There are so many variables that it´s hard to imagine how someone could come up with a conventional worldwide domination plan.

Well, maybe, if they have access to sophisticated quantum computers, which is unlikely but possible, they could calculate a perfect plan...If they have such tools, we´re indeed doomed; we have no chance to win.

If they are using traditional intelligence methods, well, there´s no single end game; Then they are probably working with a large scope of different possible scenarios, like plan A,B,C,D,E and so on...

Or, there´s also the possibility that they are working on a plan using organic adaptive methodologies, which means their plan is being built on the fly, responding and adapting to every major variation, like a chess game. I believe this is the most plausible scenario, which is, somehow, good for us, because we actually have a chance to change things before it´s too late.

The point is, we´ll never know what´s the "end game" until we actually get there.

For us, the unorganized masses, it´s close to impossible to predict what will be their next move...This, somehow, gives us some sort of advantage, because since we´re unorganized, they can´t actually predict our next move as well; Human mass behavior is a very complicated science; probability exceptions always happen with mass behavior.

Being unorganized is also a big problem, because, using the chess analogy, the masses can´t consciously predict and respond to their next move...But then, there´s human collective unconscious...

So, it´s very complicated...Really complicated.

Unless these folks have quantum computers (ultra-sophisticated AI systems, which can accurately predict the future), don´t think for a second that they already won this game. The most complex factors are at play here and we still have a change to win, because we´re many and they´re just a few.



Nothing new though, gun confiscation, putting people in camps, the total police state. This is pretty much common knowledge now in the alternative arena, I figure.

Hey Chris,

Man, we must never forget that these folks are masters of counter intelligence, master illusionists and strategists.

They have the skills to make everyone think they´re going to do one thing and then, suddenly, do a completely unexpected thing.

They make you look to one hand while they perform the tricks with the other.

So, things might no be that obvious...

Anyway, always be prepared.

Cheers,

Raf.

[gooty64]

OK, so what if we make a rule on this thread that from now on anyone who takes a stab at what is the end game also takes a stab at what is the solution and plan of action to prevent said endgame scenario? whaddaya think OP?

[donk]

This energy is NOT all powerful, it just seems that way. It can be tamed, it can be had, or it can even be transmuted

I think you touch on it with this. I don't think there's so much as an endgame goal as they are trying to keep the game going.

He who controls the spice, controls the universe, or something like that Herbert once said.

The "power" comes from energy. On the 3D plane, that means electricity & fuel for vehicles. Peel the onion back far enough, and you find that all a dollar is, is a representation of a unit of energy/work. All everything seems to be about is to keep the faith in those little pieces of paper enslavement.

The current holders of value (crude oil, natural gas) are unsustainable, at least with 7 billion plus "usless eaters", so the 500 million thing is plausible to keep the fossil fuel based game going until we pass the "peak" of all of them (it cost a barrell of oil/NG to extra one...in REAL cost, not the bull**** arbirtrary "values" the 'masters of the universe' assign things). Or they will find a way to commoditize (is that a word?) whatever technology they may have to replace it (make it so free energy isn't free?).

But I think "they" achieved their "endgame" long ago, an "ownership society", a faith-based society built on a foundation of lies and false promises, a deeply entrenched pyramidal societal structure where vampires give their 'entities/thought forms' (corporations) more rights & power than the "human resources" that they feed them, so that them few can "live" (or at least streal energy) at the expense of many. The masses have bought it into this, strength and perpetuate and protect this suicidal, parasitic, anti-life way of "living", if you can call it that.

All pyramid scams ultimately collapse on their own weight. No one who creates a ponzi scheme, even one the size of the global financial system, ever imagine it ending, at least not well. The smart ones will get out of the way before the music stops, before they are stuck with the hot potato, lay low through the strorm and wait to find a new scam.

Us at the bottom of the pyramid will have to pick up the pieces. Those of us who have seen some of the light in all this darkness will be flocked to, "good" people will come like moths to the light, maybe next time around we can root out those "few bad apples", we can keep the masses from falling asleep, from buying the lies. I just don't see it changing without a drastic catastrophe...that or a miracle.

That's how i see it. Maybe the endgame will be enough us wake up, and we make the conscious decision to take personal resposibility and do something different.

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one
-JL

[blake]

Hello Fred,

For too long, so many years, I have read, or listened to people saying to “prepare,” too often, on a regular basis. And of course, the meaning of being “prepared” is usually left to the imagination of the reader, as the writer seldom defines their words. Of course, not defining one words created wiggle room for what the author meant. But in times like these, is it a good idea to have wiggle room in one’s words if one is trying to share views to be helpful to others? So what do you actually mean by being “physically prepared”? And if you define what you mean by being “ physically prepared”, how physically prepared can one reasonably get, if at all?

Depending on what you mean by physically prepared, one might be limited in that preparation due to age, health, connections, family, obligations, geography, wealth, or lack of it, knowledge or lack of it, luck, and other undefined or unacknowledged personal circumstances. When you write be physically prepared, does the image of being able to run two miles flat come to mind, be it through swamps, fields, woods or mountains? Does it mean having an AK 47 and twenty thousand or more rounds? Does it mean having good sturdy boots, and all that you will ever need, living away from populations centers? Does it mean having access to a boat, plane, bug-out bag, or a fortress underground bunker? Does it mean having food stored for three months, six months, a year or two? Does it mean being able to be independent from the system enough to provide your own medicine, food and basic needs? Being prepared must be so much more than all that. Does it mean to decide to be compliant, and to be prepared to physically adjust to the harsher conditions of militarized police in one’s hometown, or on the highways? Does it mean to accept the new medical attitude, and conditions toward society in general; where hospitals, and doctors, as directed by the government to even a greater degree now, will decide who will get treatment, and who will not? Or even worse, decide if it would be in the best interest of those in control to just let the sick, injured, and the old die in order to save money and resources? Does being physically prepared mean accepting that you are just going to sit in your house and accept whatever happens? I am wondering what physically prepared means to you, and to different people? What exactly are people preparing for, marital law, civil war, economic job loss, a new currency, homelessness, an emp event, living in the cold, World War Three, a nuclear blast, foreign army invasion, biological warfare, aliens, portals opening to other dimensions? And the list could go on. What is it that is wicked that you refer to? Gun confiscation? So are we to prepare by hiding our guns and ammunition? Getting sling shots? Learning to use a crossbow? Or how to electronically protect ourselves from high frequency torture and control?

What does being spiritually prepared mean to you? Accepting the idea that soon you, or a family member might die, be killed, or tortured, as a result of the new police attitude; or by some invasion, or help from foreign military against the American people? Or do you need to spiritually prepare by praying, or meditating to stay calm when chaos enters your life? Must one start wondering now how they could mentally handle adjusting to be taken to a Fema Camp, willingly, or non willing, and perhaps being separated from their loved ones? Does one need to mentally adjust to how helpless one might be to helping yourself, or those around you in need, including your own spouse, or children? Do we need to spiritually prepared for death; accepting civil war, accepting the military going house to house, and confiscating what they want as ordered, or as privately pleasured? Is it adjusting mentally and emotionally to new information that may challenge some people’s belief systems or hope? So again, saying one needs to prepare physically, and spiritually is easy to say, and has been a mantra spoken daily by many for many years. But at this point in time, when the world people have been functioning in starts to rapidly fall apart, or even does so in the blink of an eye, I think vague statements, that can have different interpretations to different people, need to be flushed out, and be more specific if such words are to be helpful to anyone. When you say be prepared physically, and spiritually, what are you saying? Be prepared for an economic crash, or for world wide chaos? And if it’s world wide chaos, how does one really prepare for that?

I think one either lives a life where they are alert to their environment, and knows themselves, and their environment well, or they don’t. And since we really don’t know specifically what is coming, congratulations to those who are physically strong in mind, and body, who are capable of acknowledging the signs of changing times, and are alert to any potential threat; and like a martial artist can respond to each threat as efficiently as possible, using the least amount of work possible to get the job done. An accomplished martial artist is strong, well trained, and responds automatically to any attack successfully. They have excellent judgment of when to just get out of the way, when to use the attackers weight against them, when to execute a solid round kick to disable, or a killing chop to the neck. But he can only do that by knowing himself, building his skills, and being alert to the environment. He can never know for sure, all the time, who, what, or when he will be attacked, but his senses are always alert, his judgment is sound, and his responses are swift and automatic.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[donk]

The biggest problem is that too few people even realize there is a problem. And even fewer realize it comes from INDIVIDUAL'S CONSCIOUS DECISIONS. That concepts like "economy/finance" and "governement" and "war" ARE NOT NATURAL FORCES, they are abstract concepts that we create, that we make reality.

The place I always get to in these conversations with SMART people is that they are resigned to the idea that "it is what it is". I SCREAM in response, THERE IS A REASON FOR WHY IT IS WHAT IS, someone effing chose to make it that way. And we chose to go along.

i think this speaks to the most important parts of the OP, and maybe you agree with my idea that it is not so much an "endgame" as a "kick the can down the road as long as possible game"?

[Fred Steeves]

OK, so what if we make a rule on this thread that from now on anyone who takes a stab at what is the end game also takes a stab at what is the solution and plan of action to prevent said endgame scenario? whaddaya think OP?

I already hinted at that gooty.


Of note. This energy is NOT all powerful, it just seems that way. It can be tamed, it can be had, or it can even be transmuted into something beautiful, should it come to see the necessity to do so.

Nothing is impossible.

Although the original intent of this thread was to try and see beyond just current events, threads should also be granted a life of their own. Generally speaking anyway, I stay away from practical solution type threads, because this is not a practical situation we find ourselves in. This should be thought of more in terms of quantum physics.

To try and put it more "practically" (LOL), the true arena where this is playing, and will ultimately play itself out, is not in the physical, we are just the reflection. Remember David Icke's "combing the mirror"?

[WhiteFeather]

When the game finalizes. After all is said and done, the evil that evil does...must be paid back to This Abundant Universe. The wheel of Karma rolls on. The Universe gives back to what is given out. And Some may not like their hand that is dealt by the Dealer (Father Universe). Good Thread Fred.

[blake]

Hello GCS1103

Could you be more specific on what this wickedness could be? Also, how does wickedness come in a spiritual nature? Are you suggesting humans will start behaving worse than they are now? Will good people suddenly start doing bad things? Or are you being more literal, as demons coming out of portals? Exactly what are you agreeing with Fred about, just that something wicked is coming? or is it more than that? Again, what does wicked mean to you? Who are these puppets you refer to who think they run the world? Are they human?
You may know what you mean. I can guess what you mean, but I would like to know what you mean.

Sincerley
Mr. Davis

[donk]

Something wicked is here. It is past their endgame, nearing the inevitable "hubberts peak" of the bell curve of resource depletion according to the current paradigm.

The closest thing to 'endgame' they have, is ensuring the paradigm stays pyramidal, and that they stay on the top of it. What it looks like from up there doesn't matter to them much. Whether they look human, like literal vampires, like aliens or demons, I think that is one of details Fred (well, at least I, definitely) choose not dwell on.

The devil may be in the details, but the big picture doesn't change much whether it is some greed driven sick psychopathic human or some lizard with a pitchfork and superpowers, they get to play god until they are revealed. Or we can convince enough people to stop playing the game. A little too late for that though, imo

[blake]

Fred, it would appear you are contradicting yourself. Please correct my conclusion if I missed something. You did say to prepare physically and spirtually, but now you write that the true arena where this is playing is not in the physical. So are you now suggestioning we don't have to prepare physically just spiritually?

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[spiritguide]

This article was posted yesterday and it addresses the intent of this post. It is a long one and well worth the read. IMHO

Lead in....

The Third Force
by Preston James, Veterans Today


IS THERE A MYSTERIOUS AND SUPERIOR THIRD FORCE THAT IS COVERTLY MANIPULATING THE WORLD THROUGH A SMALL NUMBER OF SUPER-ELITES WHO RUN THE WORLD’S MOST POWERFUL NATIONS ?

Is this THIRD FORCE non-human or alien and are the major world powers being separately controlled by this entity in different dress inside each nation state’s highest echelons of government? Is there an overall coordinated purpose of this THIRD FORCE to create a NWO Globalist One-World Tyranny?

WHAT ARE ITS GOALS AND METHODS AND HOW LONG HAS THIS ENTITY BEEN INFLUENCING MANKIND ?

Is their apparent end-game the drastic reduction of the world’s population through mass eugenics & world war after which they plan to establish a one world global empire with a single dictator, a new “Caesar of the Ages”?

DO THEY PLAN TO DESTROY THE HUMAN RACE AS IT IS NOW AND MORPH IT INTO A NEW TRANSHUMAN GENETIC ORGANISM TO FUNCTION AS THEIR SLAVES ?

Is this THIRD FORCE a completely evil non-human parasite with superior intelligence that promotes the philosophy “the end justifies the means” in order to more quickly attain its long term goals?

HAS THIS ENTITY BEEN STOPPED COLD IN THE PAST AND HOW WAS THAT DONE ?

Link... http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/01/03/the-third-force/

It's your choice!

:peace:

[Maunagarjana]

Interesting article, Spiritguide. I will read it. Just the other day I read this article that was posted in the Simon Parkes thread, and it got a largely positive review from Simon. What I gather is that the ultimate end game is to incorporate Earth into a totalitarian alien empire, and replace humans with hybrids:

http://montalk.net/alien/35/synopsis-of-the-alien-master-plan

However, I think the end game in the minds of the individuals involved is different on different levels of the hierarchy. And the guiding aims of each level of the hierarchy within the human elites are to subjugate and control the levels beneath them by whatever means necessary, to secure their position and levels of access, to keep and expand whatever dominion they have and secure the future of their bloodline. At each level, the people are fully prepared to completely sell out and destroy the levels beneath them if necessary.

If the plans of the offworlders who are controlling the elites come to fruition, I think the human elites are going to get a surprise when they are immediately removed from the equation. This has to have crossed their minds at some point....you would think, right? They are obviously being taken for a ride, filled with promises of glory and luxury beyond avarice and will ultimately be betrayed and cast aside once they have fulfilled their use. That is not to say that I believe this will all come to pass, just that if the bastards get their way, this is how I see it going.

[Fred Steeves]

Fred, it would appear you are contradicting yourself. Please correct my conclusion if I missed something. You did say to prepare physically and spirtually, but now you write that the true arena where this is playing is not in the physical. So are you now suggestioning we don't have to prepare physically just spiritually?

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

Hello Mr.Davis, I'm not going to get lost in the weeds with your questioning of every little detail. I fully expect people of this forum to be well versed in both discernment, and nuance. This is how I will answer your posts. Just like "the lie", "the truth" is different at every level. Therefore we often speak from different levels, and one level we are most assuredly on is the physical. Another would be our ultimate God Source level, with infinite levels in between. My recommendation is to become adept on as many different levels as we can discover, in whatever way suits us personally.

For one to say "I am a physical being, a spiritual being, and All That Is, and I operate accordingly as all three of them", would not be a contradiction. I will assume that not many here will argue with this.

[nurgle]

I feel that the both sides have a terrible End Game, light and dark. But I also feel that is the natural order of things in this universe (balance). I feel that there will be attacks and defense from both sides, all coming down to a stalemate, like chess board with the only pieces being two kings on it. Then Both sides will build back up and repeat. I don't think there will ever be an end, just new cycles.

-be safe

[Carmody]

You want their weak spot.

Here it is.

All moves they make will always be designed to trigger on commonalities in human emotional structure.

Emotional structure being designed as part of the avatar or body, in order to keep it safe/alive/reprodiucing/etc. Autonomous function that is below conscious recognition - even though it is the place that thought itself emerges from.

Therefore, to get a herd to move, they channel all their efforts, they base all their efforts in commonality of emotional reaction.

Any intellectual discourse that does not take that into account, within the creation of a counter move, is not worth considering, or bothering with.

[Youniverse]

"What's the end game"? What are all these false flags, Sandy Hook being the most recent, leading to? I'm telling you straight up, these "people" don't give a rat's ass how much us relatively few people on these forums and such know, I would even surmise that they get off on it. While it's of course important to figure out what really went down, basically anyway, the details are a rabbit hole and a waste of time. A ritual is a ritual is a ritual.

See if this analogy works. In war, there is usually a bombing campaign on a city before attempting to physically invade it. They're softening up the target. Any thinking person under bombardment in the city is going to realize exactly what the situation is, and will be preparing for the eventuality of tanks and soldiers in the streets. If he gets lost in precisely figuring out the bombing campaign (What kind of bombs, how many bombs, what kind of planes, which ones are drones, what are the pilots thinking, etc.) He's making a terrible mistake.

These events are like a trail of bread crumbs, they're leading somewhere. The point is to follow them, even project into the future where they may be leading, not stopping at each one, and figuring out the exact recipe the baker used.

This is why I don't spend much time in the conspiracy section here arguing the finer points of what really brought the twin towers down, and other such details. The most important detail is that down they went, on purpose, and what WAS that purpose? Of course now in hindsight it's pretty clear, the perpetual false flag of the war on terror, and the systematic destruction of our freedoms.

Taking away our guns is only a part of these recent shootings, the story goes much deeper than that. I can feel it in my bones, and I know a lot of you can too. Something wicked this way cometh, (actually it's already here) and we had better be prepared. Both physically and spiritually.

As Thom Hartmann says, when we focus our attention on conspiracies we perpetuate the role of VICTIM. You are not victims! None of you. At any rate, when you insist on acting like one you keep yourself in the lower vibration where you WILL see many things to validate your fears. I know there have been and are dark deeds happening. Rise above it. Put your focus where your power is, in your heart. I want heaven on Earth as much as all of you. I refuse to be afraid. By focussing on trusting All That Is/Om/Source, gratitude, and hope, etc. you have the upper hand, you've already won in a sense. I appreciate your words Fred, but all the fears like "they're trying to take our guns away" are silly in my opinion. True spiritual people do not need such tools of destruction. You win by doing what Jean Val Jean did in Les Miserables. You win through love. Through Jean Val Jean's "right action" (by freeing his enemy, thereby ending the enemy status) he put Gilvere in a situation where he could no longer persevere in his treachery. I know its not easy, but somehow we have to figure out how to do what Jean Val Jean did to our enemies. We cannot defeat them by playing their game or attacking them violently. Thinking with our hearts will provide the answer.

[Youniverse]

You want their weak spot.

Here it is.

All moves they make will always be designed to trigger on commonalities in human emotional structure.

Emotional structure being designed as part of the avatar or body, in order to keep it safe/alive/reprodiucing/etc. Autonomous function that is below conscious recognition - even though it is the place that thought itself emerges from.

Therefore, to get a herd to move, they channel all their efforts, they base all their efforts in commonality of emotional reaction.

Any intellectual discourse that does not take that into account, within the creation of a counter move, is not worth considering, or bothering with.

Yeah well, we already thwarted that move on Dec. 21 didn't we?

[golden lady]

Very good thread Fred with some first class responses
The question "what is the end game" is the question of all questions, that is supposing there is an end game.
If we are presuming there is and they are all working towards this one goal, I have to ask my self, Why don't they just get on with it?
If this is human led, I am more of mind there are many fractions/ layers with many agendas possiblly opposing one another. To think otherwise would give them too much credit. If this is Human led, then I think we are in with a chance of overcoming this for although they seem to have an upper hand there may be a chink in their armour.

As for just following the crumbs to find out what the bigger picture maybe but unfortunately we have to live/ survive through these events and some have with their lives. So, we have to try and piece together their foul deeds to prevent or lessen
future ones.
We can't just rely on hope and good intentions. As for the answer, that's a whole other question.

If on the other hand this is multidimensional, then God help us.

[Fred Steeves]

I feel that the both sides have a terrible End Game, light and dark. But I also feel that is the natural order of things in this universe (balance). I feel that there will be attacks and defense from both sides, all coming down to a stalemate, like chess board with the only pieces being two kings on it. Then Both sides will build back up and repeat. I don't think there will ever be an end, just new cycles.

-be safe

I'm right with you on that nurgle. The farther one strays from center, in either/any direction, the more inbalance occurs. Too far towards the light, is every bit as dangerous as too far towards the dark. Perhaps figuring out at long last how to rebalance, and reintegrate the two, is what draws each cycle to it's close.

[Fred Steeves]

If on the other hand this is multidimensional, then God help us.

Actually golden lady, I'm quite certain of two things. 1) This is multidimensional. 2) So are we, and this will force us to remember what we are capable of. Dare I say a blessing in disguise?

[Spiral]

If on the other hand this is multidimensional, then God help us.

Actually golden lady, I'm quite certain of two things. 1) This is multidimensional. 2) So are we, and this will force us to remember what we are capable of. Dare I say a blessing in disguise?

That in a nutshell, is why its the end of the beginning, not the beginning of the end.

[golden lady]

Dear Fred and Spiral, I do hope so!

[ThePythonicCow]

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Yeah well, we already thwarted that move on Dec. 21 didn't we?
no

[Silo]

I feel that I can only say for sure that whatever the "why" ends up being it must be self-serving.

We give too much credit to the so-called powers that be. Remember Napoleon from Animal Farm, he was a mediocre intelligence; drunk on power with literally, a Napoleon complex.

If it wasn't self-serving, why shouldn't everyone know. Real sacrifices can be made but only under the light day. No hiding. A younger brother is never punched when mother is looking.

I really like the idea behind the world petition for peace regardless of its viability.

Keeping the dialog fair has to be someone's job, and if the media won't do it, then we must do it ourselves.

[hectorlca]

Shhh Fred, this could get you in real trouble.

But seriously though, i am lately obsessed with the papa Bush timeline/bloodline. You know that's the one we are on don't you?
Nazi's-dead Kennedys-NWO-reptilian-blood-skullsbones-power etc

Although many have been saying that we Were/TPTW on that timeline and that now we have won......i'm not so sure I buy it




Interesting. I'd like to read something about this. Can you point me to somewhere I could start?

Thanks!

[Fred Steeves]

We give too much credit to the so-called powers that be. Remember Napoleon from Animal Farm, he was a mediocre intelligence; drunk on power with literally, a Napoleon complex.


Agreed Silo, at a certain superficial level anyway. At this level we are talking about the type like Ernst Rohm, the head of Hitler's SA. He had a good thing going didn't he? Right up til he didn't, when he was mercilessly shot dead in his jail cell during the ruthless purge of The Night Of The Long Knives. I often shake my head at these ignorant, arrogant, and power hungry souls who strut and wave their way across our t.v. screens, as many of them will share such a fate once they have outlived their "usefulness".

Even the faceless "men in dark suits" physically running this show from behind the scenes, merely occupy a mid tier level at best. We could call them middle management, and many of them are also likely expendable.

Now once we work our way to the interdimensional energy that these middle management folks invoke for their selfish gain, yet also tremble in fear of, we're talking a whole new ball game. To underestimate this power would be a blunder of monumental proportions.

[blake]

Hello Fred,

By all means I will not question you further on this; but some things to ponder or not: No need for a reply.


Lawyers, politicians, and even negotiators are very adept at answering questions with words that are arranged in such a way that they can mean different things depending on who is interpreting the answer. Lawyers, politicians and sometimes negotiators often do not like to be questioned specifically about what their statements mean because often, they either don’t know what they are talking about, and don’t want to show their ignorance, or they want different people to interpret their vague words and statements to mean what the individual audience members need them to mean. This is a form of manipulation and is hardly honest, but it is a strategy that works well for those who want to please as many people as possible.


So many people continually fall for this type of manipulation in the communication process. This can be a good thing, a bad thing or neither good nor bad thing, depending on the stakes involved. Many marriages have been saved because sometimes a couple will talk to each other in such vague terms, that they always interpret the other’s words to mean what they need to hear. It can be humorous to watch when it doesn’t cause serious complications. Financial partners communicating in the same way can cause a thriving business to nose dive into bankruptcy.

Take a good look at how humanity is communicating with each other. Some people like to talk, some people like to communicate; there is a difference. Obviously those who run the world don’t mind people talking, but resist the idea of people actually communicating.

There are different types, and levels of communicating. There is one level of talking in a support group, where feelings can be more important than words, yet quite another level of communication when talking to a designer to communicate to him/her what you are seeing in your mind that you want them to create. Where the talk in the support group doesn’t always need be specific, because some times the sounds of one’s voice is very healing, as long as there is no judgment, or pressure from others; yet, when talking to your builder about how you need something built, communication needs to be very specific and clear, with words and concepts defined and drawn out or you most likely won’t get what you want, or anything close as to what you thought you were paying for.

It has been said that those who run the world are not afraid of the masses, because they know the masses can’t organize themselves. They can’t organize themselves for various reasons, but a big obstacle is their inability to communicate effectively. I wonder why humans have a hard time communicating effectively; could it be many of them are saying vastly different things while thinking they all are agreeing with one another?

Sometimes people talk to philosophize, like thinking out loud. They aren’t committed to their words, they are often experimenting with thoughts and ideas. Sometimes talking is just fun, games, and laughter over a beer. Sometimes talking is controlling, as a good, but perhaps dishonest, salesman telling you what you need to hear in order to sell you their product. Sometimes communication is healing, like non judgmental talk in a support group where everyone nerves are raw. Sometimes people just like to talk, and say nothing because they like the attention; but unless their audience is being paid to listen, why would anyone waste their time listening to someone who talks much about nothing? Sometimes communication is critical, like when explaining to someone what button to push to start a machine, and which one to push when stopping a machine, as many an accident has happened as a result of someone interpreting the directions from another in the wrong order, and therefore pushes the incorrect button. How many people say left, when they mean right? Sometimes that can be funny when dancing; it’s not so funny when driving a car.

In a support group, one usually likes to hear each person say something, as its healing in itself just to hear the sound of one’s own voice, along with the process of putting words with their feelings. But when is clear communication essential? Defining your property boundaries, reading the fine print, deciding to go to war or not, how to keep your self safe, taking the right dose of medicine, saving a relationship, letting your kids know when to cross the street? When doesn’t clear communication matter to you? To me, clear communication almost always matters. Although when I am relaxing and having a good time, by being playful with words, it’s not essential, but I still must be responsible for what and how I say something. But when I am learning, teaching, giving a speech, when I am seeking knowledge, and information, especially about my safety and about current events, clear communication is essential, especially when we as the masses get so little of it and are so use to getting vague statements to please as many people as possible.

The last time I heard that expression of not getting lost in the weeds, involved talking to a general. I was concerned over the safety of civilians. He made reference that one never should get “lost in the weeds”, but instead always pull oneself up over the weeds to get the bigger picture. Interesting how people use that expression. I never considered people as weeds. I never considered avoiding killing civilians as being lost in the weeds. I never considered giving a person a straight answer as being lost in the weeds. Unfortunately, the devil as they say is usually in the details. Generals don’t like telling the weeds they are going to get killed for the bigger picture. You just can’t hang out in the weeds!

The “end game”. Hmmm,,,, perhaps that is what I forgot,…. it’s all just a game; especially if I think myself as the god force and how there is no reality just mirrors of reflection. Funny though, it won’t seem like a game as one watches their spouse, or child starve to death, get shot, tortured, or taken away. I am wondering who has the nerve to tell all those parents right now who lost kids at Sandy Hook, that this is all just an illusion.


As my professors often said, if you can’t explain something in detail, you don’t have a solid understanding of it. Many people toss words and idea about without ever really knowing what they are saying. Sadly too many people listen to these people, and the vagueness grows separating further and further from reality as we on earth experience it.

All of the above is, of course, my very humble opinion.





Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[Maunagarjana]

I feel that the both sides have a terrible End Game, light and dark. But I also feel that is the natural order of things in this universe (balance). I feel that there will be attacks and defense from both sides, all coming down to a stalemate, like chess board with the only pieces being two kings on it. Then Both sides will build back up and repeat. I don't think there will ever be an end, just new cycles.

-be safe

I'm right with you on that nurgle. The farther one strays from center, in either/any direction, the more inbalance occurs. Too far towards the light, is every bit as dangerous as too far towards the dark. Perhaps figuring out at long last how to rebalance, and reintegrate the two, is what draws each cycle to it's close.

When thinking about these concepts, I find it helpful to distinguish between the "true light" and the "false light". The false light is that of duality and opposition. The focus for those aligned with it is on purity and self righteousness. The true light is that of nonduality and inclusion. Though I feel it is important to note that those who follow this path do not make a false equivalency between light and dark, they just recognize their inseparability from each other. The focus for those of the true light is integration and seeing through appearances that obscure the essential unity.

Those of the true light regard the darkness in such a way that, while they don't by any means endorse the dark, they respect it in a way and recognize that it has it's own wisdom from a self serving point of view. It recognizes also that, despite the ugliness and ultimately deeply delusional nature of the dark, that its very existence serves a higher purpose, one that those who are caught up within it and those who are caught up in trying to eradicate it cannot adequately see.

[Dennis Leahy]

I note there are very few real players in the game, on our side. Lots of hot air, very little "skin" in the game.

Secondly, I notice a lot of sideline observers that are confident that they understand the game, and that seem to believe that their knowledge of the game exempts them from being a player - as if they have earned an omniscient role. I foresee a look of bewilderment, followed by a permanent pouty "why me?" look on their faces when the SHTF and they find out they were standing on the battlefield all along.

I see others that range from head-in-the-sand (but pathetically, laughably so, like a toddler trying to hide behind a smaller object) to deer-in-the-headlights (frozen with fear) to the deliberately self-distracted finger-in-the-ears singing ♪♫ la-la-la-la-la ♪♪♫, to fatalists convinced that life happens to them, regardless of their actions.

Based on what I see, I suspect most of them will morph into victims, detainees, and corpses when the SHTF.

(Sorry - I shouldn't touch a keyboard when I'm feeling this negative. Glass is empty and the well is dry. Think I need a break to recharge.)

Dennis

[donk]

I hear you Dennis. It is hard to see the glass full, when most don't even recognize the glass for what it is. It's gonna be rough when that cataclyzmic wake up call comes (aka TSHTF). Assuming we don't continue the smooth descent into the Orwellian nightmare we've seemed to manifest lately (last decades/century or so...if not longer). Seems that only a miracle can save us now...


I wonder why humans have a hard time communicating effectively;

Because not enough of them can take a step back and entertain the idea that maybe they don't know everything. People don't realize how limiting it is to be attached to ideas and beliefs (or even recognize it when they are attached).

I stopped worrying about stuff I can't control--**CORRECTION: I spend a lot of time and energy working to TRY not to worry**, though do my best to try to keep up. Until I hear a better idea, I'll stick with mine that they achieved their endgame, the enslavement of the majority of humanity, and that they intend to perpetuate this reality using any means necessary. Living with this has helped me maximize my enjoyment of my current experience. I couldn't ask for a better incarnation.

Maybe if we all appreciated this the way I have learned, less people would be miserable, less BS would be allowed continue? Seems to me that most of the things that are unpleasant in this existence would not exist at all if everyone just refused to participate.

[Lazlo]

You want their weak spot.

Here it is.

All moves they make will always be designed to trigger on commonalities in human emotional structure.

Emotional structure being designed as part of the avatar or body, in order to keep it safe/alive/reprodiucing/etc. Autonomous function that is below conscious recognition - even though it is the place that thought itself emerges from.

Therefore, to get a herd to move, they channel all their efforts, they base all their efforts in commonality of emotional reaction.

Any intellectual discourse that does not take that into account, within the creation of a counter move, is not worth considering, or bothering with.

This is spot on.

The end game is total control. Not over every little action, that's much too tedious and pedestrian. Total control over the levers of power. When herding cats, you don't need to crack the whip at every darting feline, you just need to define the boundaries around the herd to your advantage and then manipulate that closed environment.

Turn the heat up, play a distracting noise, control the food, bribe the alpha with treats

I don't believe that it is pure evil playing puppet master to those with their hands on the controls. It is rather something more frightening: The unchained primordial instinct to dominate and control.

Solutions....

If such a vast conspiracy indeed exists to control the course of history to a final end, then it is multi-generational by definition.

The advantage, or opportunity if you prefer, lies in the same emotional instincts that those in power use against the masses. And in the case of those at the top, it is precisely the desire to dominate and their own ego that is the weakness. How often does one overestimate their hand and act prematurely?

Today, they have the masses on the ropes. They have the summit at the end of their long climb in sight. If they can't resist the urge for final victory, they will push ahead beyong what is prudent and expose themselves.

They have installed a virtual police state and control the financial system, and events rush on to conclusion, but the people are not so cowed and defeated as the manipulators believe. In this humanity will win.

[Maunagarjana]

I note there are very few real players in the game, on our side. Lots of hot air, very little "skin" in the game.

Secondly, I notice a lot of sideline observers that are confident that they understand the game, and that seem to believe that their knowledge of the game exempts them from being a player - as if they have earned an omniscient role. I foresee a look of bewilderment, followed by a permanent pouty "why me?" look on their faces when the SHTF and they find out they were standing on the battlefield all along.

I see others that range from head-in-the-sand (but pathetically, laughably so, like a toddler trying to hide behind a smaller object) to deer-in-the-headlights (frozen with fear) to the deliberately self-distracted finger-in-the-ears singing ♪♫ la-la-la-la-la ♪♪♫, to fatalists convinced that life happens to them, regardless of their actions.

Based on what I see, I suspect most of them will morph into victims, detainees, and corpses when the SHTF.

(Sorry - I shouldn't touch a keyboard when I'm feeling this negative. Glass is empty and the well is dry. Think I need a break to recharge.)

Dennis

There is truth in what you say, Dennis. However, within the game there are many roles to be played. Not everyone is going to be cut out as the guerrilla freedom fighter. But that doesn't mean that they can't do their part in other ways. In my case, I've got some serious medical problems and if the SHTF, I expect to be dead fairly quickly. Mostly because I depend on access to expensive and hard to get medicine. Rambo, I'm not. I don't own a gun, and frankly would prefer to die rather than take another person's life. But that's me and I understand that I'm an unusual case. I do what I can within my abilities. I tend to focus on informing and supporting others more capable.

[donk]

frankly would prefer to die rather than take another person's life. But that's me and I understand that I'm an unusual case.

I hope not...I'm with you, and don't think it is unusual at all. I like to think that few would feel differently, but for the programming...

[Dennis Leahy]

I note there are very few real players in the game, on our side. Lots of hot air, very little "skin" in the game.

Secondly, I notice a lot of sideline observers that are confident that they understand the game, and that seem to believe that their knowledge of the game exempts them from being a player - as if they have earned an omniscient role. I foresee a look of bewilderment, followed by a permanent pouty "why me?" look on their faces when the SHTF and they find out they were standing on the battlefield all along.

I see others that range from head-in-the-sand (but pathetically, laughably so, like a toddler trying to hide behind a smaller object) to deer-in-the-headlights (frozen with fear) to the deliberately self-distracted finger-in-the-ears singing ♪♫ la-la-la-la-la ♪♪♫, to fatalists convinced that life happens to them, regardless of their actions.

Based on what I see, I suspect most of them will morph into victims, detainees, and corpses when the SHTF.

(Sorry - I shouldn't touch a keyboard when I'm feeling this negative. Glass is empty and the well is dry. Think I need a break to recharge.)

Dennis

There is truth in what you say, Dennis. However, within the game there are many roles to be played. Not everyone is going to be cut out as the guerrilla freedom fighter. But that doesn't mean that they can't do their part in other ways. In my case, I've got some serious medical problems and if the SHTF, I expect to be dead fairly quickly. Mostly because I depend on access to expensive and hard to get medicine. Rambo, I'm not. I don't own a gun, and frankly would prefer to die rather than take another person's life. But that's me and I understand that I'm an unusual case. I do what I can within my abilities. I tend to focus on informing and supporting others more capable.
The pen is mightier than the sword.

The spiritual masters take it further: the mind is mightier than the pen; the spirit is mightier than the mind. No need to pick up a sword (or a gun.) If the oppressed human beings on this planet actually win (and end oppression, live in abundance), then it will have nothing to do with bullets.

(As an aside, forgive me in advance for my ignorance of your particular situation and my brashness, as I would guess that there are probably some people alive that simply would die without something made by a pharmaceutical company... but, if there is any way you can scour the alternative medical literature and find natural remedies - which often cure rather than treat symptoms - then I would strongly recommend that you do it. An interruption in service at a pharmaceutical manufacturer, or lack of vast sums of money on your part should not be reason for you to die.)

Dennis

[Maunagarjana]

The pen is mightier than the sword.

Indeed. That's what I do. If this struggle is the Trojan war, I think I'll optimistically take the role of a Homer.


The spiritual masters take it further: the mind is mightier than the pen; the spirit is mightier than the mind. No need to pick up a sword (or a gun.) If the oppressed human beings on this planet actually win (and end oppression, live in abundance), then it will have nothing to do with bullets.

That's what I have in mind. Actually, a buddy of mine has been saying we should start trying to learn to remote view. Now there is something I might be good at. And perhaps it could manage to be useful down the line.


(As an aside, forgive me in advance for my ignorance of your particular situation and my brashness, as I would guess that there are probably some people alive that simply would die without something made by a pharmaceutical company... but, if there is any way you can scour the alternative medical literature and find natural remedies - which often cure rather than treat symptoms - then I would strongly recommend that you do it. An interruption in service at a pharmaceutical manufacturer, or lack of vast sums of money on your part should not be reason for you to die.)

No worries. I understand where you're coming from. Herbal remedies might help for some things, assuming I'd have access. But unless you know of an herb used to treat bleeding associated with hemophilia, I'm afraid I'm out of luck there. There doesn't seem to be much substitute for a shot of Factor 8. But my grandfather had it, and he lived before Factor 8 was around, so it's not impossible to do without it.

[161803398]

The Third Force has been around for a while. The question I have is whether there is a fourth or whether what sometimes appears to be a fourth is just a shill for the third.

[161803398]

I'd say the way this can be deal with is either everyone gets on the same page or at least a similar page and there is a focus. Focus would help. Even if everyone doesn't agree there must be one thing all or most agree on and that could be the focus. After that we start unwinding the ball of wool.

[DeDukshyn]

It's going to be exciting isn't it?! Has any of you been pushed to your extreme limits? Imagine that times 7 billion (maybe 6 if they get a good start). I can't wait. ;)

(I am not just referring to physical force here either just to be clear)

Know yourselves! ;)

[GCS1103]

Hello GCS1103

Could you be more specific on what this wickedness could be? Also, how does wickedness come in a spiritual nature? Are you suggesting humans will start behaving worse than they are now? Will good people suddenly start doing bad things? Or are you being more literal, as demons coming out of portals? Exactly what are you agreeing with Fred about, just that something wicked is coming? or is it more than that? Again, what does wicked mean to you? Who are these puppets you refer to who think they run the world? Are they human?
You may know what you mean. I can guess what you mean, but I would like to know what you mean.

Sincerley
Mr. Davis

Hi, Mr. Davis-

Here's how I view what is happening to us:

As to the wickedness that I believe to be behind the actions of the "elite"- I see it in terms of demonic entities. What or who these demonic entities are, I'm not certain, but I perceive them as not human. Some of us may see them as alien, inter-dimensional, or whatever you wish to call them; for me, they are not "us". They transcend our human capabilities and intellect, which is why they are still around. I'm not referring to the average person misbehaving more than they do now. I'm being literal when I say I believe there is a malevolence, in a form that is vastly different than us, that rules this world.

As to the "puppets"- I look upon the elites as the puppets that stand alongside their fellow humans, controlled (either knowingly or unwittingly) by a higher force or entity. Personally, I agree with another member that said these elites are inter-generational. These families sold their souls a long time ago for the power and position they have held throughout the years. Generation after generation they have passed this power down their lines.

Why I agree with Fred - yes, I see something horrible coming our way. Things that would have shocked us 100 years ago are accepted today. I am speaking in generalities such as outrageous behavior by our "elected" officials; profound lies and cover-ups, barely disguised; media corruption so pervasive that to call these people "journalists" is a joke; swindlers in power unable to contain their desire for more, at the expensive of all of us; ad infinitum. You don't need me to point all this out. I would venture a guess that all our members are aware that something big is going on. People, for the most part, have changed; there is much less patience, much less understanding and more belligerence than I can ever remember. What has caused this continuing loss of caring for one another? I believe it is the spiritual war being waged by entities behind the scenes. They have developed diseases that never existed a few decades ago, created economic crisis, added tremendous tension and war; all perpetrated by their human puppets. Like Fred, "I feel it in my bones."

What is wicked to me? Anything that purposely hurts another human being. That's a simplistic answer, but I don't want to write a book here.;) I hope I have answered your questions. I want to say that this is a great thread and there have been a lot of interesting and intelligent responses.

[gripreaper]

The dharma is assured, the outbreath and inbreath of creation. From source to duality, with both positive and negative polarities, to the densest of matter, returning to source and oneness once again, after we have experienced all of the polarized aspects of this duality.

The rest is just details.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Problem: Their (PTB) plan is most likely different at each of the various compartmentalized levels of power. Most of us can probably agree that on a lower level, the end game plan is total domination of planet Earth, all freedom removed and depopulation. The PTB will use the lack of food and resulting violence as an excuse to remove all freedom. City dwellers will beg for martial law.

Solution: For many, self responsibility for problem mitigation includes food storage and self sufficient living, as much as possible. Learn to live like a poor Mexican and the PTB will have a much harder time with manipulation. Also learn how to hide things that the PTB may not want you to have.

Problem: Fear porn directs our attention to unwanted events and supports the dark team. What becomes manifest is the result of where attention has been focused.

Solution: Plan for the worst then imagine the best. Burying our heads in the sand, pretending nothing is wrong, will not help our situation. Find a balance point for attention. If plans for the domination of planet Earth become uncomfortable, put attention wherever joy is found. The trick is to find balance. It always is a good idea to spend more time imagining what you want and less time focused on the plan of someone else.

As we journey along our dimly lighted path, the roadsigns ahead will show us the way. Discernment of true and false roadsigns is of utmost importance.

Whatever plans the dark team has, it is important to remember that most likely there are plans from more powerful places that will prevail.

If a little fear has crept into my attention, I love to use this affirmation:
"In this moment, I have everything I need and more."

[Wind]

It all depends on what world you're living. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=f9lkgE5fJtI#t=1944s)

When you know how cycles work you will be amused to see how humanity is always running in circles. Man's greed has always destroyed civilizations, but it won't happen this time unless that is designed to be your reality.

Personally, I'm relaxed and at peace. Let the show begin!

[bennycog]

er, please pass the chocolate milk and white toast:blabla:

ill take my toast with cheese and vegemite..

[donk]

If a little fear has crept into my attention, I love to use this affirmation:
"In this moment, I have everything I need and more."

Gosh I needed that just now, appreciate it!!

[goinghome2012]

hello brother Fred,
in my opinion the end game is the delay of the manifestation of the Golden Age; TPTB or the dark elite wanted a NEW world order, but unfortunately the age of love and unity consciousness is growing and manifesting quickly. The fear mongering campaign especially before dec 21, 2012 with the MKULTRA children massacre and the fireman after dec 21, 2012 were very strategic in implementing and continuing their agenda of fear and economic control system.
Unfortunately for them, now there are many groups waking up and are aware about the consciousness shift, the crossing over into the Golden Age and the elite depopulation agenda.
Possibly a world earthquake, pole shift and solar flare could be added to the mix if the fear consciousness is stagnant before 2017.
Anyways welcome the beginning of the Copper age, towards heaven on Earth.

spread the peace, love and truth

[161803398]

Problem: Fear porn directs our attention to unwanted events and supports the dark team. What becomes manifest is the result of where attention has been focused.

For them, imagine the number of times they have got us to repeat the numbers 9/11...these people are idiot numerologists and get a kick from it. For them, obviously, the numbers are important and they have made us focus on it.

[Fred Steeves]

Whatever plans the dark team has, it is important to remember that most likely there are plans from more powerful places that will prevail.


Hi Ron, I think we're on our own to face this neighborhood bully. Tricky thing being, who is truly this terrible foe we are facing?

ovPSTAjNKik

[spiritguide]

Whatever plans the dark team has, it is important to remember that most likely there are plans from more powerful places that will prevail.


Hi Ron, I think we're on our own to face this neighborhood bully. Tricky thing being, who is truly this terrible foe we are facing?

ovPSTAjNKik

Bullies control using fear. If you do not fear them they can not control. Hence turning the other cheek shows them lack of fear and not being able to control even with bodily harm. All selfish, greedy, control freaks are bullies to varying degrees. IMHO

[T Smith]

"What's the end game"? What are all these false flags, Sandy Hook being the most recent, leading to? I'm telling you straight up, these "people" don't give a rat's ass how much us relatively few people on these forums and such know, I would even surmise that they get off on it. While it's of course important to figure out what really went down, basically anyway, the details are a rabbit hole and a waste of time. A ritual is a ritual is a ritual.

See if this analogy works. In war, there is usually a bombing campaign on a city before attempting to physically invade it. They're softening up the target. Any thinking person under bombardment in the city is going to realize exactly what the situation is, and will be preparing for the eventuality of tanks and soldiers in the streets. If he gets lost in precisely figuring out the bombing campaign (What kind of bombs, how many bombs, what kind of planes, which ones are drones, what are the pilots thinking, etc.) He's making a terrible mistake.

These events are like a trail of bread crumbs, they're leading somewhere. The point is to follow them, even project into the future where they may be leading, not stopping at each one, and figuring out the exact recipe the baker used.

This is why I don't spend much time in the conspiracy section here arguing the finer points of what really brought the twin towers down, and other such details. The most important detail is that down they went, on purpose, and what WAS that purpose? Of course now in hindsight it's pretty clear, the perpetual false flag of the war on terror, and the systematic destruction of our freedoms.

Taking away our guns is only a part of these recent shootings, the story goes much deeper than that. I can feel it in my bones, and I know a lot of you can too. Something wicked this way cometh, (actually it's already here) and we had better be prepared. Both physically and spiritually.

Well said, Fred.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Hi Fred,

I think the truly terrible foe we face is the manifestation of the dark side within all of us, acknowledged or not.

For all practical purposes, I agree that we are on our own. It would be a big mistake for anyone to expect outside reinforcements. The neighborhood bully is our worthy opponent. Nothing less would be suitable for a master's journey.




Whatever plans the dark team has, it is important to remember that most likely there are plans from more powerful places that will prevail.


Hi Ron, I think we're on our own to face this neighborhood bully. Tricky thing being, who is truly this terrible foe we are facing?

ovPSTAjNKik

[Fred Steeves]

I think the truly terrible foe we face is the manifestation of the dark side within all of us, acknowledged or not.

For all practical purposes, I agree that we are on our own. It would be a big mistake for anyone to expect outside reinforcements. The neighborhood bully is our worthy opponent. Nothing less would be suitable for a master's journey.

Well put Ron, very well put my friend. Proper perspective is vital.

[blake]

Hello GCS1103,

Thank you for your eloquent and articulate response.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[Pam]

Mr. Davis, I find it really helpful to look at the concept of "evil" in the following way; There are 2 basic paradigms: Service to self and Service to others. I don't think anyone is completely one or the other, however, one of these usually dominates in each person. Sincerely, Pam

[blake]

Hello rmauersr,

Well said.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis




Problem: Their (PTB) plan is most likely different at each of the various compartmentalized levels of power. Most of us can probably agree that on a lower level, the end game plan is total domination of planet Earth, all freedom removed and depopulation. The PTB will use the lack of food and resulting violence as an excuse to remove all freedom. City dwellers will beg for martial law.

Solution: For many, self responsibility for problem mitigation includes food storage and self sufficient living, as much as possible. Learn to live like a poor Mexican and the PTB will have a much harder time with manipulation. Also learn how to hide things that the PTB may not want you to have.

Problem: Fear porn directs our attention to unwanted events and supports the dark team. What becomes manifest is the result of where attention has been focused.

Solution: Plan for the worst then imagine the best. Burying our heads in the sand, pretending nothing is wrong, will not help our situation. Find a balance point for attention. If plans for the domination of planet Earth become uncomfortable, put attention wherever joy is found. The trick is to find balance. It always is a good idea to spend more time imagining what you want and less time focused on the plan of someone else.

As we journey along our dimly lighted path, the roadsigns ahead will show us the way. Discernment of true and false roadsigns is of utmost importance.

Whatever plans the dark team has, it is important to remember that most likely there are plans from more powerful places that will prevail.

If a little fear has crept into my attention, I love to use this affirmation:
"In this moment, I have everything I need and more."

[blake]

Mr. Davis, I find it really helpful to look at the concept of "evil" in the following way; There are 2 basic paradigms: Service to self and Service to others. I don't think anyone is completely one or the other, however, one of these usually dominates in each person. Sincerely, Pam

Hello Pam,

Thank you, Pam, for sharing how you define evil. As you can see from reading this thread people do define it differently sometimes. Some people seem to see it as you do within the human condition, if I understand you correctly, while others can have a more literal definition of it as actually having a non human component in its many forms, with a nature of a very destructive force with no compassion for humanity. Some people, in their beliefs systems, might think of Satan or the Devil as the personification of evil. I don’t.

I have heard the expression used quite often "service to self, and service to others". I never thought of the expression, “service to self”, as evil, because I don't think of humans as evil, as much as they can sometimes act in an evil way, in a total absence of humanitarian thinking. Just because a person may be very selfish, and think of themselves first in every thing they do, doesn’t make them evil, in my opinion. I suppose the closest thing to evil in a human, in my definition, would be a sociopath, or someone’s mind who is actually possessed by something that is non human, and acts without a humanitarian filter, that is out to destroy in the most heinous way possible, and get pleasure from it.

I do agree with you that most humans have various degrees of both goodness, and badness in them. But the key phrase, for me, is “various degrees of goodness or badness”. The ends on the bell curve seem to be good behavior on one end, and bad behavior on the other; not saint on one end, and evil force on the other, but then again perhaps I am misunderstanding you.

I think “service to self” is not always a bad thing, according to how one defines it. It can be a good thing, in my opinion, to take good care of ourselves, and sometimes, perhaps often, we do have to service ourselves first before we can service others. To me, the expression, “service to self”, can mean extreme greedy, selfish, low caliber people. I never associate the term with aliens, demons, energetic forces, or interdimensional beings, who might, or might not be “evil”. Perhaps you think of international banksters when you think of “service to self”? I would say they are definitely the service to self type humans. I see them as corrupt, selfish, uncaring to the majority of people, but not “evil”, at least how I define evil. I think some may think them not as non human entities underneath their human skin, but I don’t. Perhaps some, or perhaps many of these international banksters are psychotic, and sociopathic? If that is case, they would be evil; because in my opinion sociopaths can’t act with a sincere humanitarian filter ever. But I think many international banksters are just low moral humans, hardly evil. I’m sure some of them have demonstrated some pretty decent acts of consideration, and kindness to others throughout their life times. It is just that they know how the world works, and they want to be on the winning team. That choice is shallow and cowardly, yes; but, at least in my opinion, it is not evil. You and others may think differently, but when communicating honestly with someone it is more productive when you understand how the other person is thinking and defining words, so we both stay on the same page, and have a conversation truly about the same thing, and not just thinking we are talking about the same thing.

Webster dictionary states that evil is anything morally bad or wrong, offensive, or causes misery and disaster. They also define Satan, or the Devil as the evil one.

I think in these uncertain times of the ongoing, looming threat to our singular security of our basic foundational pillars of life: shelter, food, water, transportation, family, freedom etc, it is wise, helpful, and considerate to communicate clearly what one means; unless one is just playing with words instead of trying to communicate effectively. For example, when speaking of “evil and wickedness”, is it the “service to self” type evil of the human kind that you reference, or is the “ service to self” type evil of the non human kind that is being referenced, or perhaps one could be referring to both or more kinds. Readers of various backgrounds are cruising this site, and people will weigh information, and opinions differently depending on how they interpret what they think the poster is actually saying. So when in doubt, I say spell it out. But, as usual, that is all just my humble opinion.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

[applecrusher1992]

I note there are very few real players in the game, on our side. Lots of hot air, very little "skin" in the game.


I would hope so too.

[blufire]

"What's the end game"? What are all these false flags, Sandy Hook being the most recent, leading to? I'm telling you straight up, these "people" don't give a rat's ass how much us relatively few people on these forums and such know, I would even surmise that they get off on it. While it's of course important to figure out what really went down, basically anyway, the details are a rabbit hole and a waste of time. A ritual is a ritual is a ritual.

See if this analogy works. In war, there is usually a bombing campaign on a city before attempting to physically invade it. They're softening up the target. Any thinking person under bombardment in the city is going to realize exactly what the situation is, and will be preparing for the eventuality of tanks and soldiers in the streets. If he gets lost in precisely figuring out the bombing campaign (What kind of bombs, how many bombs, what kind of planes, which ones are drones, what are the pilots thinking, etc.) He's making a terrible mistake.

These events are like a trail of bread crumbs, they're leading somewhere. The point is to follow them, even project into the future where they may be leading, not stopping at each one, and figuring out the exact recipe the baker used.

This is why I don't spend much time in the conspiracy section here arguing the finer points of what really brought the twin towers down, and other such details. The most important detail is that down they went, on purpose, and what WAS that purpose? Of course now in hindsight it's pretty clear, the perpetual false flag of the war on terror, and the systematic destruction of our freedoms.

Taking away our guns is only a part of these recent shootings, the story goes much deeper than that. I can feel it in my bones, and I know a lot of you can too. Something wicked this way cometh, (actually it's already here) and we had better be prepared. Both physically and spiritually.


Fred,

My personal opinion (for about 5 years now) is we are headed for global government . . . one world government . . . new world order . . . whatever you want to call it. I do not believe we are in an ‘end game’ but experiencing the ‘next step’ in a very complicated strategy.

I believe this so strongly that I literally sold a very successful organic farm in Kansas and my 50% ownership in a high six figure business (in finance) and moved back deep into the Appalachians and working toward 100% self reliance. I live very simply and almost debt free.

All the false flags, the collapsing and propping up of economies, the wars and rumor of wars, the utilizing and enhancing of natural weather and climate change to force implementation of their strategy, food and medicine that causes apathy and illness, fear tactics on and on and on, is part of a massive strategy and plan.

This strategy has been taking place for hundreds if not thousands of years . . . .right now we have the fortune or misfortune to live in a time that a massive change and restructuring is taking place. We also live in a period of time where this massive change and restructuring will cause great hardship and death. This current push toward the NWO is going into high gear and will last for the next 20 years (+/-)

This is why I have stepped way out of the way and way and out of game and rat race. It is also why I now live in a region of the US that time and progress has forgotten.

My current opinion and belief is that this NWO or global government will not (ultimately) be a negative state for humanity. I believe that a ‘united planet’ will ultimately bring a greater peace and more abundant living for the majority of humanity. I also believe this will enable our planet and inhabitants to take their place in the solar system. Our planet first has to be united before we can become part of a larger ‘system’. I also believe that any thought that we can stop this from taking place is naïve and foolish. Now is the time for acknowledging what is taking place, what it will look like as we progress into the depth of the change and restructuring and most of all what the outcome could be.

Acknowledge and adapt.

[gripreaper]

My personal opinion (for about 5 years now) is we are headed for global government . . . one world government . . . new world order . . . whatever you want to call it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CWBTL33MpA

[Fred Steeves]

My current opinion and belief is that this NWO or global government will not (ultimately) be a negative state for humanity. I believe that a ‘united planet’ will ultimately bring a greater peace and more abundant living for the majority of humanity. I also believe this will enable our planet and inhabitants to take their place in the solar system. Our planet first has to be united before we can become part of a larger ‘system’. I also believe that any thought that we can stop this from taking place is naïve and foolish. Now is the time for acknowledging what is taking place, what it will look like as we progress into the depth of the change and restructuring and most of all what the outcome could be.

Acknowledge and adapt.

Hi blufire.

Yes, I've been noticing you saying basically this same thing in other posts around the forum recently. Obviously I couldn't disagree more, but haven't commented because your point of view is articulate, well thought out, and you are entitled to your opinion just like everyone else. But of course I have to say something, if you're going to lay the pro New World Order point of view in my thread.(LOL)

That's all, I'll let my first two posts stand as any further comment. http://nexusnow.info/forum/images/smilies/whistle.gif

Cheers,
Fred

[blake]

Hello blufire,

I think if most people could strategize their way out of the rat race, and be mostly self- sufficient, than the masses would have more leverage in keeping their freedom, wealth and peace in the world, just by living their daily life. I have always believed that, and I structured my life out of the rat race many years ago. And with how the world is today, I am grateful that I made the decisions that I did. And as a result of those decisions of many years ago, I am fortunate not to have the struggles so many people seem to be having today. I congratulate you on seemingly doing similar moves. Stepping out of the line of fire is a good strategy for survival, and happiness, especially when the bullets are too deadly to fight directly, and when the rest of the team is not organized enough to fight back, and stand their ground effectively.

I too believe that world government is a done deal, and that the years of transition, in which we are now in, will be deadly and painful for most humans who did not figure out, in time, how to side step the line of fire. I also agree that this plan to have a world government has been in place, generationally, for a very long time. Humans had time to figure out how to keep their wealth and freedom, but they didn’t think. Instead, the majority of humans just went with the flow of how they were being directed, encouraged on by carrots of conveniences that ultimately stole their wealth, privacy and freedom. Now they are mostly poor, weak, and trapped by the systems, making them easy prey to conquer, and do with what those in power want to do with them.

However, I do not follow your logic of how world government, born out of death, destruction and enslavement will be good ultimately for helping earth, and its inhabitants to take their place in the solar system. You state our planet first has to unite in order to do that. Unite under a dictatorship? And once all that power is centralized, do you really think the good fairy princess is going to come along, and make those who enslaved the world, suddenly turn the world into a utopia of love and respect? Have you not learned yet that humans don’t give up their power without a fight? How about working at spreading and equalizing the power among as many humans as possible, and uniting them not under a world dictatorship, but by uniting different humans with different needs, and beliefs under peace and respect for each other’s cultures and freedoms? I think if the world achieves that, then if the solar system is a nice place, that you seem to think it is, then perhaps we would have earned our place in it as equals with other planetary systems. Do you really think that a blood thirty takeover of the world, centuries in the making, is going to lead to some sort of world wide utopia? Could you please explain how this tragedy the world is experiencing, and the centralization of power will ultimately be good, because you have totally lost me on that one.

Are you suggesting we acknowledge and adapt to enslavement?

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Who would run a world government? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Same psychopathic greedy control freaks.

We do not need a world government to enslave us.

The best government is the least government. Thomas Jefferson was absolutely correct when he said that.

Freedom, self reliance and decentralization really upsets the control freaks and many others who look for a big government handout. But an evolving consciousness eventually wants exactly that: freedom, self reliance and decentralization.

[Youniverse]

Mr. Davis, I find it really helpful to look at the concept of "evil" in the following way; There are 2 basic paradigms: Service to self and Service to others. I don't think anyone is completely one or the other, however, one of these usually dominates in each person. Sincerely, Pam

Hello Pam,

Thank you, Pam, for sharing how you define evil. As you can see from reading this thread people do define it differently sometimes. Some people seem to see it as you do within the human condition, if I understand you correctly, while others can have a more literal definition of it as actually having a non human component in its many forms, with a nature of a very destructive force with no compassion for humanity. Some people, in their beliefs systems, might think of Satan or the Devil as the personification of evil. I don’t.

I have heard the expression used quite often "service to self, and service to others". I never thought of the expression, “service to self”, as evil, because I don't think of humans as evil, as much as they can sometimes act in an evil way, in a total absence of humanitarian thinking. Just because a person may be very selfish, and think of themselves first in every thing they do, doesn’t make them evil, in my opinion. I suppose the closest thing to evil in a human, in my definition, would be a sociopath, or someone’s mind who is actually possessed by something that is non human, and acts without a humanitarian filter, that is out to destroy in the most heinous way possible, and get pleasure from it.

I do agree with you that most humans have various degrees of both goodness, and badness in them. But the key phrase, for me, is “various degrees of goodness or badness”. The ends on the bell curve seem to be good behavior on one end, and bad behavior on the other; not saint on one end, and evil force on the other, but then again perhaps I am misunderstanding you.

I think “service to self” is not always a bad thing, according to how one defines it. It can be a good thing, in my opinion, to take good care of ourselves, and sometimes, perhaps often, we do have to service ourselves first before we can service others. To me, the expression, “service to self”, can mean extreme greedy, selfish, low caliber people. I never associate the term with aliens, demons, energetic forces, or interdimensional beings, who might, or might not be “evil”. Perhaps you think of international banksters when you think of “service to self”? I would say they are definitely the service to self type humans. I see them as corrupt, selfish, uncaring to the majority of people, but not “evil”, at least how I define evil. I think some may think them not as non human entities underneath their human skin, but I don’t. Perhaps some, or perhaps many of these international banksters are psychotic, and sociopathic? If that is case, they would be evil; because in my opinion sociopaths can’t act with a sincere humanitarian filter ever. But I think many international banksters are just low moral humans, hardly evil. I’m sure some of them have demonstrated some pretty decent acts of consideration, and kindness to others throughout their life times. It is just that they know how the world works, and they want to be on the winning team. That choice is shallow and cowardly, yes; but, at least in my opinion, it is not evil. You and others may think differently, but when communicating honestly with someone it is more productive when you understand how the other person is thinking and defining words, so we both stay on the same page, and have a conversation truly about the same thing, and not just thinking we are talking about the same thing.

Webster dictionary states that evil is anything morally bad or wrong, offensive, or causes misery and disaster. They also define Satan, or the Devil as the evil one.

I think in these uncertain times of the ongoing, looming threat to our singular security of our basic foundational pillars of life: shelter, food, water, transportation, family, freedom etc, it is wise, helpful, and considerate to communicate clearly what one means; unless one is just playing with words instead of trying to communicate effectively. For example, when speaking of “evil and wickedness”, is it the “service to self” type evil of the human kind that you reference, or is the “ service to self” type evil of the non human kind that is being referenced, or perhaps one could be referring to both or more kinds. Readers of various backgrounds are cruising this site, and people will weigh information, and opinions differently depending on how they interpret what they think the poster is actually saying. So when in doubt, I say spell it out. But, as usual, that is all just my humble opinion.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

Yeah another one of those paradoxes where SERVING ONESELF* becomes serving everyone. As we get a clearer understanding of who we are and what serves us best, we become more effective in serving others. So what might sound like selfishness is actually selflessness in disguise.

[Youniverse]

Who would run a world government? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Same psychopathic greedy control freaks.

We do not need a world government to enslave us.

The best government is the least government. Thomas Jefferson was absolutely correct when he said that.

Freedom, self reliance and decentralization really upsets the control freaks and many others who look for a big government handout. But an evolving consciousness eventually wants exactly that: freedom, self reliance and decentralization.

Yeah ideally we have no government. But if you don't have the bulk of the population governing themselves in the highest, most evolved way, then you need a government to enforce laws. I hear this talk all the time(especially from conservatives) and its a good idea, but not if the motivation is so the general public becomes sitting ducks for the big corporations. Although the way governments are controlled by corporations right now is close to that anyways. So we could only have no government once enough of the population are AWAKE.

The notion of(and usually fear associated with) a one world government is a very positive one if the motivation comes from the heart. That is, working toward greater inclusiveness, sharing everything, fairness in access to resources, etc. Of course if it is the NWO agenda working toward one world government, then that obviously isn't a positive change(except for the few at the top). We just have to be careful not to label anything that remotely looks like an NWO plot, as evil or oppressive, or we might miss out on a major step forward in human evolution.

[blake]

Who would run a world government? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Same psychopathic greedy control freaks.

We do not need a world government to enslave us.

The best government is the least government. Thomas Jefferson was absolutely correct when he said that.

Freedom, self reliance and decentralization really upsets the control freaks and many others who look for a big government handout. But an evolving consciousness eventually wants exactly that: freedom, self reliance and decentralization.

Hello rmauersr,

I like how you think. I often like to quote Thomas Jefferson myself. He is one of my favorites. But you are absolutley right, in my opinion; evolving consciousness eventually does wants freedom, self reliance and decentralization of power. So having a world government is just the opposite of becoming evolved beings!

Sincerely,
Mr Davis

[Fred Steeves]

Here's a dirty little secret I've stumbled across, take it or leave it. ANYONE, no matter how well intentioned or good hearted, who wishes to lead other people as per their ways, will eventually become corrupt if they, or their "ideas", live long enough.

Until we rid ourselves the "idea' of needing an authority figure, or anything besides ourselves for that fact to keep things in "order", we will continue madly spinning in circles for eons more to come. We have become unbalanced, and that's o.k. because we can as individuals rebalance, but no form of government can/will ever fix that.

Fuhgeddaboudit.(LOL)

[donk]

Right on Fred, I agree. Instead of leader/follower relationships (which I believe as you imply always eventually leads to control/abuse relationships) we need (imo) a teacher/student mentality.

To honestly believe the platitudes we repeat: all are created equal, love is all you need, golden rule, etc.

To share wisdom and experiences rather than dominate, control, etc.

Respect for authority is one of the biggest lies we need to give up to get anywhere. To be replaced with respect for wisdom, which I feel is making loving, thought out, mostly harmless decisions. Based on honesty and integrity.

Imagine that!

[Dennis Leahy]

Until we rid ourselves the "idea' of needing an authority figure, or anything besides ourselves for that fact to keep things in "order", we will continue madly spinning in circles for eons more to come. We have become unbalanced, and that's o.k. because we can as individuals rebalance, but no form of government can/will ever fix that.

Fuhgeddaboudit.(LOL)
However, if we all stubbornly hold out for a change in society that is an immense exponential leap from where we are, what we are doing is assisting in the propagation (or at least the maintenance) of the status quo. So, those with the biggest egos, the deepest pockets, the darkest secrets, the least compassion, and the most history of control stay in control and play with the walls of our labyrinth.

I see this in the Zeitgeist-ers, and new-agers, and anarchists, and socialists, and libertarians. They stubbornly want to hold onto the notion of their own utopian vision, and won't work toward any incremental step toward any of it. "All or none, baby!" And, of course, we (humanity) get none. ("None" being no change from the status quo, where the people I refer to as "the monsters" make all of the big decisions for humanity ...and set up the beginning, middle, and endgame.)

In a distant future time on earth, (or possibly just a handful of generations, if "free energy" is introduced) anarchy (self-rule) may be possible. Not now, not even with the immediate introduction of free energy/abundance, because of the programming of the 7 billion who are here now. Don't get me wrong, I want to experience that societal transformation, but I would expect a growth curve until abundance "fits."

So, just passively wait and watch and acquiesce to whatever endgame is planned (sort of seems like a slow-motion rape to me), or "fight" by stubbornly holding onto outrageously unrealistic and deluded "quantum-leap" goals (and feel the same slow-motion rape anyway), or actually try to thwart the endgame "by others" by actively pursuing our own future (including true self-governance), designing our own endgame?

I hereby do not acquiesce to any plans - any endgame - made by anyone about my future where I was not informed and consulted and with which I do not agree, uncoerced.

Dennis

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I hereby do not acquiesce to any plans - any endgame - made by anyone about my future where I was not informed and consulted and with which I do not agree, uncoerced.

Dennis

Ahh Dennis, do I hear the rantings of an advanced soul?

[Arrowwind]

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So, just passively wait and watch and acquiesce to whatever endgame is planned (sort of seems like a slow-motion rape to me), or "fight" by stubbornly holding onto outrageously unrealistic and deluded "quantum-leap" goals (and feel the same slow-motion rape anyway), or actually try to thwart the endgame "by others" by actively pursuing our own future (including true self-governance), designing our own endgame?

I hereby do not acquiesce to any plans - any endgame - made by anyone about my future where I was not informed and consulted and with which I do not agree, uncoerced.

Dennis

Exactly. You put into words the thoughts that were hard for me to capsulize.
a slow motion rape.
thats what is happening right now.
and few people are willing to lift a finger
to stop the violation.

India is considering making rape a crime punishable by death
Im of the opinon that it should be the same for the bankers and multinational corporations
who commit social and economic rape.

We need an economic and financial Hague.

[Arrowwind]

One country that is seeking its way to freedom is Ecuador. Go to netflix and watch "Ecuador"
to see what they are thinking about finding their way out of the mess.

[Arrowwind]

However, I do not follow your logic of how world government, born out of death, destruction and enslavement will be good ultimately for helping earth, and its inhabitants to take their place in the solar system. You state our planet first has to unite in order to do that. Unite under a dictatorship? And once all that power is centralized, do you really think the good fairy princess is going to come along, and make those who enslaved the world, suddenly turn the world into a utopia of love and respect? Have you not learned yet that humans don’t give up their power without a fight? How about working at spreading and equalizing the power among as many humans as possible, and uniting them not under a world dictatorship, but by uniting different humans with different needs, and beliefs under peace and respect for each other’s cultures and freedoms? I think if the world achieves that, then if the solar system is a nice place, that you seem to think it is, then perhaps we would have earned our place in it as equals with other planetary systems. Do you really think that a blood thirty takeover of the world, centuries in the making, is going to lead to some sort of world wide utopia? Could you please explain how this tragedy the world is experiencing, and the centralization of power will ultimately be good, because you have totally lost me on that one.

Are you suggesting we acknowledge and adapt to enslavement?

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

Absolutely, we fought a war in part because slave holders and promoters didnt want to let go. How could one possilby think that once all the NWO ducks are in a row that suddenly we will be under a leadership crowned in compassion and philosophies of freedom? This is delusional thinking at its best.

You can't get blood out of a stone and you can't get goodness out of reptilian satan.

[Maunagarjana]

Mr. Davis, I find it really helpful to look at the concept of "evil" in the following way; There are 2 basic paradigms: Service to self and Service to others. I don't think anyone is completely one or the other, however, one of these usually dominates in each person. Sincerely, Pam

Hello Pam,

Thank you, Pam, for sharing how you define evil. As you can see from reading this thread people do define it differently sometimes. Some people seem to see it as you do within the human condition, if I understand you correctly, while others can have a more literal definition of it as actually having a non human component in its many forms, with a nature of a very destructive force with no compassion for humanity. Some people, in their beliefs systems, might think of Satan or the Devil as the personification of evil. I don’t.

I have heard the expression used quite often "service to self, and service to others". I never thought of the expression, “service to self”, as evil, because I don't think of humans as evil, as much as they can sometimes act in an evil way, in a total absence of humanitarian thinking. Just because a person may be very selfish, and think of themselves first in every thing they do, doesn’t make them evil, in my opinion. I suppose the closest thing to evil in a human, in my definition, would be a sociopath, or someone’s mind who is actually possessed by something that is non human, and acts without a humanitarian filter, that is out to destroy in the most heinous way possible, and get pleasure from it.

I do agree with you that most humans have various degrees of both goodness, and badness in them. But the key phrase, for me, is “various degrees of goodness or badness”. The ends on the bell curve seem to be good behavior on one end, and bad behavior on the other; not saint on one end, and evil force on the other, but then again perhaps I am misunderstanding you.

I think “service to self” is not always a bad thing, according to how one defines it. It can be a good thing, in my opinion, to take good care of ourselves, and sometimes, perhaps often, we do have to service ourselves first before we can service others. To me, the expression, “service to self”, can mean extreme greedy, selfish, low caliber people. I never associate the term with aliens, demons, energetic forces, or interdimensional beings, who might, or might not be “evil”. Perhaps you think of international banksters when you think of “service to self”? I would say they are definitely the service to self type humans. I see them as corrupt, selfish, uncaring to the majority of people, but not “evil”, at least how I define evil. I think some may think them not as non human entities underneath their human skin, but I don’t. Perhaps some, or perhaps many of these international banksters are psychotic, and sociopathic? If that is case, they would be evil; because in my opinion sociopaths can’t act with a sincere humanitarian filter ever. But I think many international banksters are just low moral humans, hardly evil. I’m sure some of them have demonstrated some pretty decent acts of consideration, and kindness to others throughout their life times. It is just that they know how the world works, and they want to be on the winning team. That choice is shallow and cowardly, yes; but, at least in my opinion, it is not evil. You and others may think differently, but when communicating honestly with someone it is more productive when you understand how the other person is thinking and defining words, so we both stay on the same page, and have a conversation truly about the same thing, and not just thinking we are talking about the same thing.

Webster dictionary states that evil is anything morally bad or wrong, offensive, or causes misery and disaster. They also define Satan, or the Devil as the evil one.

I think in these uncertain times of the ongoing, looming threat to our singular security of our basic foundational pillars of life: shelter, food, water, transportation, family, freedom etc, it is wise, helpful, and considerate to communicate clearly what one means; unless one is just playing with words instead of trying to communicate effectively. For example, when speaking of “evil and wickedness”, is it the “service to self” type evil of the human kind that you reference, or is the “ service to self” type evil of the non human kind that is being referenced, or perhaps one could be referring to both or more kinds. Readers of various backgrounds are cruising this site, and people will weigh information, and opinions differently depending on how they interpret what they think the poster is actually saying. So when in doubt, I say spell it out. But, as usual, that is all just my humble opinion.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

This concept of a polarity between Service to Self and Service to Others comes from the "Law of One" books, otherwise known as "The Ra Material". Lots of times people use various terms from these books (densities, catalyst, harvest, the Orion Group, etc.) and people don't realize where they come from, so I thought I should point it out. The reasoning behind this is explained very thoroughly in those books, and to understand why people use these terms rather than the more conventional terms like Good and Evil, I would recommend reading the books. All five of the books can be downloaded free here: http://llresearch.org/library/the_law_of_one_pdf/the_law_of_one_pdf.aspx

[Maunagarjana]

My current opinion and belief is that this NWO or global government will not (ultimately) be a negative state for humanity. I believe that a ‘united planet’ will ultimately bring a greater peace and more abundant living for the majority of humanity. I also believe this will enable our planet and inhabitants to take their place in the solar system. Our planet first has to be united before we can become part of a larger ‘system’. I also believe that any thought that we can stop this from taking place is naïve and foolish. Now is the time for acknowledging what is taking place, what it will look like as we progress into the depth of the change and restructuring and most of all what the outcome could be.

Acknowledge and adapt.

Hi, Blufire. Congratulations at having got out of the rat race.

It is an interesting idea that you bring up that a "united planet" is a requirement for Earth to become part of the larger galactic community. I think there may be some truth to that, but not in the way the NWO people want to do it. And once they finalize their plans, it will be really hard (though not impossible) to undo what they have done and revamp it in a way that is beneficial to all of humanity.

In my search for any information I can gather about the ways that alien cultures organize themselves, it would seem that some of them may have some type of benevolent global (or star system-wide) governance of some kind (I say "of some kind" because what we think of a "governance" might not be exactly applicable, but there may be at least some resemblances.) But we are SO FAR OFF from being able to come close to anything like that.

We still haven't even found a way to create governmental and economic systems that aren't in the hands of power and greed obsessed psychopaths, sociopaths and malignant narcissists and those who would be their minions. We also haven't as a planet faced how easy it is for malicious ET/EDs to hack any hierarchical-based system. We're going to have to find effective non-hierarchical and decentralized ways of organizing things on this planet before we can come close to cracking this nut, imho. And we will definitely need to before we can become anything resembling a "unified planet" without it leading to anything but absolute tyranny.

[Fred Steeves]

:dance:

Ahh Dennis, do I hear the rantings of an advanced soul?

No doubt Ron, and I'll tell you what, if I were ever faced with a Custer's last stand situation, I'd want to go down with someone just like Dennis by my side.


So, just passively wait and watch and acquiesce to whatever endgame is planned (sort of seems like a slow-motion rape to me), or "fight" by stubbornly holding onto outrageously unrealistic and deluded "quantum-leap" goals (and feel the same slow-motion rape anyway), or actually try to thwart the endgame "by others" by actively pursuing our own future (including true self-governance), designing our own endgame?

Hi Dennis.

We each bring our own unique piece of the puzzle to this game, and it's very apparent which people are playing theirs for all they're worth. I love the passion you bring, and you're always thinking too. It's great to watch someone doing what they were meant to come here and do.

My piece is a different sort of piece is all, and hopefully it's compatible with your piece to actually get us somewhere. I highly suspect it is. :) We need all of our wacky individual little pieces somehow working together, building synergy as we go. I see the exponential power of synergy all the time in the work I do, such as two people working together, are three times as fast and efficient as one person. And so on.

I haven't quite figured out just what my piece is yet, it's still evolving, like a bread in the oven. Rest assured though, that one word which is not in my vocabulary concerning our common plight, is acquiescence.:p

It's something along the lines of someone counciling: "Just keep at stripping away that deeply imbedded programming boy. Figure out just who and what you truly are first, and what you're really here to do, before you make a move. You've only got one shot at this, any premature decision would prove catastrophic, and you'll just wind up having to start all over again".

Cheers,
Fred

[ulli]

Fred,

My personal opinion (for about 5 years now) is we are headed for global government . . . one world government . . . new world order . . . whatever you want to call it. I do not believe we are in an ‘end game’ but experiencing the ‘next step’ in a very complicated strategy.

I believe this so strongly that I literally sold a very successful organic farm in Kansas and my 50% ownership in a high six figure business (in finance) and moved back deep into the Appalachians and working toward 100% self reliance. I live very simply and almost debt free.

All the false flags, the collapsing and propping up of economies, the wars and rumor of wars, the utilizing and enhancing of natural weather and climate change to force implementation of their strategy, food and medicine that causes apathy and illness, fear tactics on and on and on, is part of a massive strategy and plan.

This strategy has been taking place for hundreds if not thousands of years . . . .right now we have the fortune or misfortune to live in a time that a massive change and restructuring is taking place. We also live in a period of time where this massive change and restructuring will cause great hardship and death. This current push toward the NWO is going into high gear and will last for the next 20 years (+/-)

This is why I have stepped way out of the way and way and out of game and rat race. It is also why I now live in a region of the US that time and progress has forgotten.

My current opinion and belief is that this NWO or global government will not (ultimately) be a negative state for humanity. I believe that a ‘united planet’ will ultimately bring a greater peace and more abundant living for the majority of humanity. I also believe this will enable our planet and inhabitants to take their place in the solar system. Our planet first has to be united before we can become part of a larger ‘system’. I also believe that any thought that we can stop this from taking place is naïve and foolish. Now is the time for acknowledging what is taking place, what it will look like as we progress into the depth of the change and restructuring and most of all what the outcome could be.

Acknowledge and adapt.

I don't believe there is a power on earth that can stop the march towards world government, however, there is enormous power in individuals in the masses, who in unison ought to demand to have a say in such governance.
Of first and foremost importance now is education, and to stimulate in everyone a desire for truth, so that everyone will be able to recognize lies and propaganda.

The other part of such education needs to be directed at helping people to manage their bodies, and their propensity to becoming too addicted to anything that feels good. That way they will withstand seduction and lies, and before giving in to persuasion will thoroughly inform themselves of who is behind the mask of whoever is approaching them, or whatever is being offered for sale.

The only means, of performing this education may now be via the Internet, the last bastion of freedom.
Anyone who has any knowledge regarding the instruction of children, ought to be active on the web now, to help youngsters learn that not everyone is bad, and that not everyone is good, and that most things are not what they appear, and to never be afraid to do the hard work needed to find out what is truly behind the mask. Then not be afraid to march in the streets to demand their rights.

But in the end it is about balance. Life on earth is not only about protecting individual rights, but it is also about learning how to be socially responsible.
A world government can then be made up of representatives from all nations, with numbers reflecting that nations population.
Each nation's parliament will be made up of regional representatives, according to the population density of that region.
And regional governments will be elected by grassroots communities, the people that community wishes to see as their leaders, not simply who wants to run for office, and might have dubious motives.
Then such a tiered structure could ensure that the people of the earth have their say, not royalty, not banks, not military, not dark magicians, nor their demons.

[blake]

Mr. Davis, I find it really helpful to look at the concept of "evil" in the following way; There are 2 basic paradigms: Service to self and Service to others. I don't think anyone is completely one or the other, however, one of these usually dominates in each person. Sincerely, Pam

Hello Pam,

Thank you, Pam, for sharing how you define evil. As you can see from reading this thread people do define it differently sometimes. Some people seem to see it as you do within the human condition, if I understand you correctly, while others can have a more literal definition of it as actually having a non human component in its many forms, with a nature of a very destructive force with no compassion for humanity. Some people, in their beliefs systems, might think of Satan or the Devil as the personification of evil. I don’t.

I have heard the expression used quite often "service to self, and service to others". I never thought of the expression, “service to self”, as evil, because I don't think of humans as evil, as much as they can sometimes act in an evil way, in a total absence of humanitarian thinking. Just because a person may be very selfish, and think of themselves first in every thing they do, doesn’t make them evil, in my opinion. I suppose the closest thing to evil in a human, in my definition, would be a sociopath, or someone’s mind who is actually possessed by something that is non human, and acts without a humanitarian filter, that is out to destroy in the most heinous way possible, and get pleasure from it.

I do agree with you that most humans have various degrees of both goodness, and badness in them. But the key phrase, for me, is “various degrees of goodness or badness”. The ends on the bell curve seem to be good behavior on one end, and bad behavior on the other; not saint on one end, and evil force on the other, but then again perhaps I am misunderstanding you.

I think “service to self” is not always a bad thing, according to how one defines it. It can be a good thing, in my opinion, to take good care of ourselves, and sometimes, perhaps often, we do have to service ourselves first before we can service others. To me, the expression, “service to self”, can mean extreme greedy, selfish, low caliber people. I never associate the term with aliens, demons, energetic forces, or interdimensional beings, who might, or might not be “evil”. Perhaps you think of international banksters when you think of “service to self”? I would say they are definitely the service to self type humans. I see them as corrupt, selfish, uncaring to the majority of people, but not “evil”, at least how I define evil. I think some may think them not as non human entities underneath their human skin, but I don’t. Perhaps some, or perhaps many of these international banksters are psychotic, and sociopathic? If that is case, they would be evil; because in my opinion sociopaths can’t act with a sincere humanitarian filter ever. But I think many international banksters are just low moral humans, hardly evil. I’m sure some of them have demonstrated some pretty decent acts of consideration, and kindness to others throughout their life times. It is just that they know how the world works, and they want to be on the winning team. That choice is shallow and cowardly, yes; but, at least in my opinion, it is not evil. You and others may think differently, but when communicating honestly with someone it is more productive when you understand how the other person is thinking and defining words, so we both stay on the same page, and have a conversation truly about the same thing, and not just thinking we are talking about the same thing.

Webster dictionary states that evil is anything morally bad or wrong, offensive, or causes misery and disaster. They also define Satan, or the Devil as the evil one.

I think in these uncertain times of the ongoing, looming threat to our singular security of our basic foundational pillars of life: shelter, food, water, transportation, family, freedom etc, it is wise, helpful, and considerate to communicate clearly what one means; unless one is just playing with words instead of trying to communicate effectively. For example, when speaking of “evil and wickedness”, is it the “service to self” type evil of the human kind that you reference, or is the “ service to self” type evil of the non human kind that is being referenced, or perhaps one could be referring to both or more kinds. Readers of various backgrounds are cruising this site, and people will weigh information, and opinions differently depending on how they interpret what they think the poster is actually saying. So when in doubt, I say spell it out. But, as usual, that is all just my humble opinion.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

This concept of a polarity between Service to Self and Service to Others comes from the "Law of One" books, otherwise known as "The Ra Material". Lots of times people use various terms from these books (densities, catalyst, harvest, the Orion Group, etc.) and people don't realize where they come from, so I thought I should point it out. The reasoning behind this is explained very thoroughly in those books, and to understand why people use these terms rather than the more hidebound terms like Good and Evil, I would recommend reading the books. All five of the books can be downloaded free here: http://llresearch.org/library/the_law_of_one_pdf/the_law_of_one_pdf.aspx


Thank you, Maunagarjana for sharing the links and the information. I didn't know the original source of those terms.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

[Maunagarjana]

Thank you, Maunagarjana for sharing the links and the information. I didn't know the original source of those terms.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

You're welcome. In some cases those terms might've been used earlier in a similar context, but the Law of One books definitely put most of them into popular circulation.

[goinghome2012]

they will not succeed , the new world order will fail

[Fred Steeves]

they will not succeed , the new world order will fail

Hmm, just something to ponder. What if saying the new world order is going to fail, is like a recruit saying army basic training is going to fail?

[Ron Mauer Sr]

they will not succeed , the new world order will fail

Hmm, just something to ponder. What if saying the new world order is going to fail, is like a recruit saying army basic training is going to fail?

It is possible this reality, this planet, is a training camp similar to basic training. Maybe we need the problems because we need the lessons. If that is our situation here, then nothing needs to get fixed. Maybe the dark team was reluctant to come here, but we begged them because we needed to experience a worthy opponent.

So many possibilities. Maybe like changing channels on a TV. Some channels are better than others. And we don't think twice about switching to a better channel and we don't try to fix the bad programs. I ask myself "Who am I to try and change anyone else?". The only one I want to control is me.

Or maybe we volunteered to come here to create change. I don't remember. And NOT remembering could be the biggest problem of all.

I may pick a different adventure/channel next time. I'm sure there are plenty to choose from.

I'm just questioning reality, cause that's what I do.

[spiritguide]

WE have whole body order and the label for that is healthy, other than that it is dis- ease. Whole world order has no label yet because there are no memories of such. It is time to diagnose the world dis-ease and find a cure that will insure the future is healthy. Control has never brought order only despair. Thinking outside the box will be the only path toward healing after all our past has brought us to the present mindset. IMHO

[ulli]

WE have whole body order and the label for that is healthy, other than that it is dis- ease. Whole world order has no label yet because there are no memories of such. It is time to diagnose the world dis-ease and find a cure that will insure the future is healthy. Control has never brought order only despair. Thinking outside the box will be the only path toward healing after all our past has brought us to the present mindset. IMHO


City traffic needs to be controlled. When the traffic lights work properly, which were put in place following a law that wants to create order, via the use of control, you have people arriving at home on time. When they fail, or when people ignore the law, everyone gets home hours late, and in a state of despair.
That would be just one example of despair as a result of lack of control.

Friction will be minimized when governments are just, and when individuals start to realize that life is easier in community than in isolation, and when they can see that their tax payments are in fact being used the way they were designed to, for the betterment of the whole civilization. That should be the goal of the end game...that reciprocal maintenance between all parties....and the happiness of rich and poor, old and young, men and women, weak and strong.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

I think the power with who/whatever is at the head of this, which has already been said, that there is no co-ordination.

Controlling 100 million people, by 'employing' them in your system, have them believe, by your own indoctrination, they are working towards a greater good (here I squarely look at major corps) is much simpler, and cleaner than trying to keep everyone else busy too. But they do a good job.

They may be psychopaths, but no-one can deny the intelligence of the plan. Though the details, and end game we all could agree to disagree, we all know it has to change for this planet, if it is at all, to be inhabitable for our race in the long term.

If only we 6 billion had a strategy we could agree on, and then disperse into our elected fields to implement the plan in this same fashion.

*sigh*
PVM

[spiritguide]

WE have whole body order and the label for that is healthy, other than that it is dis- ease. Whole world order has no label yet because there are no memories of such. It is time to diagnose the world dis-ease and find a cure that will insure the future is healthy. Control has never brought order only despair. Thinking outside the box will be the only path toward healing after all our past has brought us to the present mindset. IMHO


City traffic needs to be controlled. When the traffic lights work properly, which were put in place following a law that wants to create order, via the use of control, you have people arriving at home on time. When they fail, or when people ignore the law, everyone gets home hours late, and in a state of despair.
That would be just one example of despair as a result of lack of control.

Friction will be minimized when governments are just, and when individuals start to realize that life is easier in community than in isolation, and when they can see that their tax payments are in fact being used the way they were designed to, for the betterment of the whole civilization. That should be the goal of the end game...that reciprocal maintenance between all parties....and the happiness of rich and poor, old and young, men and women, weak and strong.

The difference is the type of control... self control vs. imposed control ... the former being the preferred over the latter IMHO.

[Fred Steeves]

City traffic needs to be controlled. When the traffic lights work properly, which were put in place following a law that wants to create order, via the use of control, you have people arriving at home on time. When they fail, or when people ignore the law, everyone gets home hours late, and in a state of despair.
That would be just one example of despair as a result of lack of control.


Hi Ulli, you have just touched on something near and dear to my heart. Whenever I go through a traffic light for instance, I am both grateful that it is there to keep "order", and yet wondering why it is, that we as humans seem to need to be directed by a spectrum of light, in order to know what to properly do in the first place.

Same as when I watch an professional American football game like today's NFL playoffs, and mostly see what the general Roman public worshipped 2,000 years ago...And so on...Nothing ever changes...

Ulli...Do you think we are Creator Gods?

[Arrowwind]

Service to self and service to others is hardly a new concept. Its been around for ages and in those very exact words.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Service to self and service to others is hardly a new concept. Its been around for ages and in those very exact words.

Both can be extremes. For me, I prefer a healthy balance, trusting best I can, my feelings.

[ulli]

City traffic needs to be controlled. When the traffic lights work properly, which were put in place following a law that wants to create order, via the use of control, you have people arriving at home on time. When they fail, or when people ignore the law, everyone gets home hours late, and in a state of despair.
That would be just one example of despair as a result of lack of control.


Hi Ulli, you have just touched on something near and dear to my heart. Whenever I go through a traffic light for instance, I am both grateful that it is there to keep "order", and yet wondering why it is, that we as humans seem to need to be directed by a spectrum of light, in order to know what to properly do in the first place.

Same as when I watch an professional American football game like today's NFL playoffs, and mostly see what the general Roman public worshipped 2,000 years ago...And so on...Nothing ever changes...

Ulli...Do you think we are Creator Gods?

Yes and no.
The fact that we are born helpless and need to be instructed in the basics of life
while having to maintain our physical vehicle in good shape means we are not there yet.
The glimpses many people have had during their lives which gave them an idea of some divine power is only a glimpse of potential. I'm certain that one could, with the right use of alchemy make these elevated states more permanent, but I don't believe that absolute power can ever be held by any human, as the human condition is one of impermanence.

Some may think that they could one day defeat death, and have eternal life in physical form, but they would still be far from being able to describe what goes on in every dwelling on every inhabited planet in our galaxy.
That sort of knowledge is the domain of the all-knowing Creator. No creature can, in my view, ever attain such a station.

My view is similar to at expressed by Ron Mauer. I believe life on earth is like being in a gym, and we are here to build spiritual muscle. If we are good, we might be ale to fly through the air, and even land on our feet, but that doesn't make us creator gods, far from it.
Yet if we fine-tune ourselves, the creator could utilize us for his master plan, to our benefit.
Give us a bigger job, even, like seeding life on another galaxy next time round. That would then give us that station of creator gods, but we could never replace the one creator.
To believe that would be the height of delusion, in my opinion, and detrimental to our well being as well as that of other people.

[Arrowwind]

Service to self and service to others is hardly a new concept. Its been around for ages and in those very exact words.

Both can be extremes. For me, I prefer a healthy balance, trusting best I can, my feelings.

I said this in response to the statement that these words were RA material. guess I should have quoted the line.

[ulli]

WE have whole body order and the label for that is healthy, other than that it is dis- ease. Whole world order has no label yet because there are no memories of such. It is time to diagnose the world dis-ease and find a cure that will insure the future is healthy. Control has never brought order only despair. Thinking outside the box will be the only path toward healing after all our past has brought us to the present mindset. IMHO


City traffic needs to be controlled. When the traffic lights work properly, which were put in place following a law that wants to create order, via the use of control, you have people arriving at home on time. When they fail, or when people ignore the law, everyone gets home hours late, and in a state of despair.
That would be just one example of despair as a result of lack of control.

Friction will be minimized when governments are just, and when individuals start to realize that life is easier in community than in isolation, and when they can see that their tax payments are in fact being used the way they were designed to, for the betterment of the whole civilization. That should be the goal of the end game...that reciprocal maintenance between all parties....and the happiness of rich and poor, old and young, men and women, weak and strong.

The difference is the type of control... self control vs. imposed control ... the former being the preferred over the latter IMHO.

As a parent I was anti-control...I just made sure my child didn't kill himself. I watched out, but always gave him a long leash,
far longer than other parents....so in that sense I was an arch liberal.
It turns out that as an adult he now believes in the opposite approach...and he himself has become a strict parent.
I was quite surprised when I found out that he resented me for allowing him as much freedom as I did.

Different people have different needs, which are determined by how they felt about their childhood and experience of authority. Jehovah's witnesses are a good example of people who look for an imposed, rigid authority structure.
Also, many criminals allow themselves to be caught because they long for the rigid routines of prison life.

True freedom is a state of mind, and some feel it even when they are being oppressed, because they accept all conditions imposed upon them, and yet within those restriction find that little space of theirs that no one else can take from them, and that space is really the size of the universe.
All boils down to the attitude of the beholder. Just like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so is ugliness, and so is oppression, and so is freedom.
And the beholder is you, the most important person in your life.

[goinghome2012]

they will not succeed , the new world order will fail

Hmm, just something to ponder. What if saying the new world order is going to fail, is like a recruit saying army basic training is going to fail?

what are you saying this is control and fear based system is manufactured in order to test us and open our hearts and evolve?

by the way Fred , why didn't you respond to my posting earlier

peace and blessings

Welcome the Golden Age

[trenairio]

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[Ron Mauer Sr]

Problem: The end game plan by the PTB includes injecting the people with a memory chip that is, among other things, one's bank account. Without the chip one cannot purchase food, medicine or anything else.

Solution: I'm looking for a better solution other than simply leaving this place hungry. Any ideas? Maybe grow a garden and barter food for some items purchased by someone chipped?

[Fred Steeves]

Problem: The end game plan by the PTB includes injecting the people with a memory chip that is, among other things, one's bank account. Without the chip one cannot purchase food, medicine or anything else.

Solution: I'm looking for a better solution other than simply leaving this place hungry. Any ideas? Maybe grow a garden and barter food for some items purchased by someone chipped?

Perhaps this is where the creator part comes into play Ron. We all know the term being in "the zone" in sports, where one doesn't even need to think, just do. Where every move is flawless, and just the right one at just the right time. This doesn't happen by chance, only an athlete who had dedicated an immense amount of time to training, conditioning, and practicing, is a candidate for this sacred state of mind/body balance.

I honestly don't see why it couldn't be the same in a situation such as you describe, where the walls are closing in, and it seems there's just no way out. It seems to me we're in training just like that athlete. We've done and continue to do our homework, we've endured our dark nights, we're stretching our Spirit far beyond what we ever dreamed possible, and hopefully we're learning to be more and more unafraid of physical death, knowing we are eternal beings.

Mix that all together with being assigned an "impossible" situation, and me thinks one might be presented with an opportunity to discover just what they're really made of. Practice time would be over, it would be down to do, or not do.

We've all also heard the term "be the master of your own destiny". Is that just a bs term, or is there merit to it? Maybe we're about to find out.

Showtime.

[blake]

Hello All

We need the creative mind of an artist to expand our horizons and exercise our thinking processes.
We need the logical mind of a scientist to keep our creative mind in a form that can be
be transformed into manifestation, and not diluted into the delusional.
And when life gets tough, as it often does, we need both the logic and creative to get us to safe shore.

Unfortunately for the human race, some people, and at times, many humans, turn away from logic, and facts to embrace wishful thinking. Wishful thinking does not keep one free with food on the table; smart, hard work, with a little luck does that. So, alas, the sad story of the human condition is explained with this trait of wishful thinking, and for supporting the bad side of human nature by never keeping it in check by the good side of human nature.

History reveals to us repeatedly the basics of human nature. The founders of America took human nature into consideration as they debated and summed up the key foundations to a free and prosperous society. The basic nature of humans destroyed America. As the good, will always allow the bad to take advantage over a situation.

Many founders of America knew the gift of America would not last. They understood that the Achilles Heel of human nature is well known, and mapped out in detail by those who are more bad than good. The human Achilles heel is the cornerstone of the powers that be weapon of mass control over the majority of people. And tptb laugh as humans chase fantasy, and forsake logic, making it so very easy to control these people.

Humans speak of love and light, but they seldom consistently act in love and light, to the delight of the ptb. As you all well know and have stated many times on this forum, human nature is made up of both darkness and light. The facts in history repeatedly show, and the observations of human behavior in daily living clearly demonstrate that humans will never be more good, than they are bad. If that were not so, I think the world would not be facing what most humans are facing now, poverty, war, enslavement, and premature deaths.

Armies, corporations, all hierarchies understand that all humans are motivated by self interest. All humans have a price that their behavior can be bought for. Some sell their behavior for: a raise, money, a favor, more power, or because of desperate need, blackmail, threats of physical harm, or even the killing of loved ones till they get you to jump as high as they want you to jump. They like administering physical, and psychological torture, yet social torture is so very amusing to them.

Human self interest is always on sale, or in a position of vulnerability. That is why the world is the way it is. When an individual puts themselves in a vulnerable position making it so easy to be bought, they have metaphorically sold their soul. When individuals patronizes those who enslave society, they have sold their souls metaphorically.

When I read a poster suggesting that the “masses” can get together and have some input as to how they are to be governed by the New World Order, once they are in total, overt control, doesn’t help my faith in human logic. Once a world government is put in place, and they have total power via their total cashless society, why would such greed for power want to listen and negotiate to those they have total control over? If it is true that part of their goal is to eliminate a huge part of the population, then they would most happily just kill off any group or individual complaining. It would be nothing but an amusement for them to see humans without power trying to negotiate with them on how they govern you. They will govern you to their pleasure, and needs, not yours or the masses.

Another poster referenced that evolved beings are responsible, self sufficient, and live in freedom. I agree with that. Humanity has demonstrated over and over and over that they are not evolved beings because their more sinister side either propels them to control others, or propels them in allowing others to control them.

I do not think the masses can stop what is happening, they had decades to do so, but their Achilles heel built into their human nature doesn't allow them to be evolved beings. If all these people who talked about love and light actually disciplined themselves to be evolved humans, then the Achilles Heel of human nature would have been healed, or at least been well covered not making it so easy for the dark side of human nature to rule the world.

I think I got into this conversation from Fred talking about not selling your soul. I think if every reader on this forum looked into the mirror they would have seen that they have already sold their soul, metaphorically speaking, if they are not living responsible, self sufficient lives, while being are a watch dog to those who are given power positions to keep society safe instead of picking our pockets and enslaving us. How many foxes got into the hen house on your watch? Humans don’t like to answer that question. They like to rationalize why they were trapped into the life they have, or claim they are milking the system. But in milking the system in their own self interest, they are patronizing the bad guys, and helping the bad guys enslave others.


How many humans on this forum can look into the mirror honestly and be brave enough to admit to themselves how they contributed and patronized the very companies, institutions, and organizations that are enslaving them, and bringing them to their knees where they will loose any control over their lives, and that of their families when a cashless society is totally mandated?

To me the end game is total control over every move we make, or death. The only way out from my thinking is indiviually taking back your individual power over your freedom, and not supporting that which enslaves. How do you do that? By becoming less vulnerable than you are now. Start with honoring privacy, and not being vulnerable to a food crisis. How do do you do that? That is up to individual assessment. Indiviuals need to think for themselves. Everyone lives with different skills, and different circumstances, figure out how to free yourself and to stop adding to your enslavement, and the enslavemnt of your neighbor. How free are you? This is not a pie in the sky question. How are you going to strategize your life out of the rat race, and into more freedom? This is not a pie inthe sky question. Don't expect the masses to do what you yourself won't do on your own.
But that is all in my humble opinion.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[Fred Steeves]

How many foxes got into the hen house on your watch? Humans don’t like to answer that question.

Hi Mr.Davis.

Lots, I have the proverbial blood on my hands just like everyone else. But then again, maybe they are supposed to be here, like rmauersr alluded to earlier:


It is possible this reality, this planet, is a training camp similar to basic training. Maybe we need the problems because we need the lessons. If that is our situation here, then nothing needs to get fixed. Maybe the dark team was reluctant to come here, but we begged them because we needed to experience a worthy opponent.

There are other possibilities as well, such as certain elements of the darkest of the dark are seeking relief from their long self imposed torment, and some have come here to grant them that universal courtesy. Those "certain elements" may even be fragmented aspects of our own selves.

[blake]

Hello Fred,

Yes, I agree, we all have blood on our hands, and we all are responsible for the conditions of the world today.


The other that you write of, to me, is just conjecture, philosophizing, rationalizing, seeking answers for what some may feel like a hopeless situation, in which they feel helpless to help themselves. Hiding behind spirituality as an excuse as to why things are the way they are, is centuries old behavior, like the Catholic Church telling the working poor that they will get their reward in heaven. It’s the same psychological manipulation, and crutch, in my opinion.

What you write may or may not be true. Some people kill themselves because they can’t face the pain of living in this reality. So hiding behind spirituality is probably a better option, but it is still an escape from reality. The bottom line is we do live in this reality, where we need food, shelter, family, medicine, work, laughter, and the freedom to pursue all that. I am wondering if the individuals will follow the masses, and continue to hide behind this spirituality that can atrophy their earth muscles, or will they throw away that crutch, and use spirituality in a more balanced way, while stepping up to their individual responsibility in this dimension of creating the freedom that an evolved souls craves.


If people are brave enough to admit they have blood on their hands, the next step, in my opinion, are they brave enough to do something concrete about it? Or, will they grab a beer, and ponder things you are only guessing at, while avoiding the personal responsibility in this reality to deal with obligations of liberty? It’s always so much easier just to walk away from the reality and obligations.

The more freedom one has worked, and strategized to obtain on this earth, the more evolved the soul. A frighten child runs away, and hides; a mature human strategizes, then stands their ground.

This is all just my humble opinion.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[Ron Mauer Sr]

This solution, I'll call it a universal solution, was written by Jim Sinclair and posted on his website (http://www.jsmineset.com/) .

I liked so much I wanted to share it.


"If you want miracles in your life, then “watch” and be happy. This is the same teaching that’s in every religion. For me, this is: be brave, don’t lie, do your job, quiet your mind and at the end of the day fold the cards. Wake up the next morning, see what’s dealt and play it the best you can, don’t worry about it. See the job, do the job and stay out of the misery. If there’s anything that attracts any God, it’s having courage and having courage is doing what falls in your lap and doing it right, no matter what it is."

What do you think Fred? Is this appropriate for your thread?

Ron Mauer M.S.U.

[Fred Steeves]

This solution, I'll call it a universal solution, was written by Jim Sinclair and posted on his website (http://www.jsmineset.com/) .

I liked so much I wanted to share it.

"If you want miracles in your life, then “watch” and be happy. This is the same teaching that’s in every religion. For me, this is: be brave, don’t lie, do your job, quiet your mind and at the end of the day fold the cards. Wake up the next morning, see what’s dealt and play it the best you can, don’t worry about it. See the job, do the job and stay out of the misery. If there’s anything that attracts any God, it’s having courage and having courage is doing what falls in your lap and doing it right, no matter what it is."

What do you think Fred? Is this appropriate for your thread?


Pretty sound advice Ron, after all is said and done that's about all we can really do day to day isn't it? If I were a God in charge of overseeing this landscape, those demonstrating the characteristics listed above would certainly grab my attention.

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxxx

[Ron Mauer Sr]

No one is coming to save us, on this we agree. I have “blood on my hands”. If I don’t want to starve sometimes I have no choice. Of course I am motivated by self-interest. It is called survival. I am not as vulnerable as I once was and my eyes are open. Amongst my friends and neighbors, I am the minority when it comes to this way of thinking. I used to try to “wake people up” and I was literally told, “I don’t want to know”. I am taking back my individual power but it is a lonely and difficult road. I am fortunate because my husband and I are on the same page. Some people do not even have that going for them.
Mr. Davis I have tried to give some examples of what I am doing to get out of the rat race and I pose the same question to you. Are you in a vulnerable position? Have you reached self-sustainability?

sleepy

Once upon a time, I too tried to wake up others. All that did was alienate friends who had taken the blue pill. They did not want to hear about things that challenged their programming. Few were willing to question reality. Talking about the banksters was sometimes acceptable, but going into deeper subjects like the Illuminati, ETs and other realities would be really unwelcome.

I once had the idea that IF enough people woke up, we would have a better chance for freedom. So I did my best to steer conversation in that direction.

Freedom, well being, self reliance and just plain feeling good will forever be my goals and my wish for others as well.

I agree that is sometimes a lonely road to travel. So I go dancing.

[Youniverse]

Until we rid ourselves the "idea' of needing an authority figure, or anything besides ourselves for that fact to keep things in "order", we will continue madly spinning in circles for eons more to come. We have become unbalanced, and that's o.k. because we can as individuals rebalance, but no form of government can/will ever fix that.

Fuhgeddaboudit.(LOL)
However, if we all stubbornly hold out for a change in society that is an immense exponential leap from where we are, what we are doing is assisting in the propagation (or at least the maintenance) of the status quo. So, those with the biggest egos, the deepest pockets, the darkest secrets, the least compassion, and the most history of control stay in control and play with the walls of our labyrinth.

I see this in the Zeitgeist-ers, and new-agers, and anarchists, and socialists, and libertarians. They stubbornly want to hold onto the notion of their own utopian vision, and won't work toward any incremental step toward any of it. "All or none, baby!" And, of course, we (humanity) get none. ("None" being no change from the status quo, where the people I refer to as "the monsters" make all of the big decisions for humanity ...and set up the beginning, middle, and endgame.)

In a distant future time on earth, (or possibly just a handful of generations, if "free energy" is introduced) anarchy (self-rule) may be possible. Not now, not even with the immediate introduction of free energy/abundance, because of the programming of the 7 billion who are here now. Don't get me wrong, I want to experience that societal transformation, but I would expect a growth curve until abundance "fits."

So, just passively wait and watch and acquiesce to whatever endgame is planned (sort of seems like a slow-motion rape to me), or "fight" by stubbornly holding onto outrageously unrealistic and deluded "quantum-leap" goals (and feel the same slow-motion rape anyway), or actually try to thwart the endgame "by others" by actively pursuing our own future (including true self-governance), designing our own endgame?

I hereby do not acquiesce to any plans - any endgame - made by anyone about my future where I was not informed and consulted and with which I do not agree, uncoerced.

Dennis

Ok but having a clear vision of ones expectations is not a waste of time. In fact, it is how anything worthwhile ever gets done.

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxx

[CD7]

No game...

[Sidney]

I think end game is when TPTB have full control of every single thing that every single person does. They seem to be doing a fine job of it so far. The surveilance is in place, the groceries are way too expensive, and quality is crap. Politicians only get dumber by the year. And the people getting number by the year. I feel sorry for people that are so dumbed down that they can't wake up. Its not their fault. It's not their time apparently. I have willfully let go of that one. All I can do at this going is be emotionally prepared, and have some things stockpiled. And keep on keepin on. That is what my family is doing this year. We want to focus on harmonious livine and if the SHTF then so be it, we will deal best that we can. I am sorry, but at this point, I don't have a solution.