Revealing the Location of ALL Gun Owners IS RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!

[SilentFeathers]

Are people really this brain-dead?

I sometimes wonder if instead of entering the age of the great awakening, that we are in fact entering the age of the great coma!


In December, an upstate New York newspaper came under fire for publishing the names and addresses of gun owners in Westchester and Rockland counties. The story inspired heated reactions among readers and gun groups, who traded jabs by posting personal information about the newspaper’s employees online.

Connecticut lawmaker wants names of gun owners to be made public
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/04/connecticut-lawmaker-wants-names-gun-owners-to-be-made-public/

Ex-Burglars Say Newspaper’s Gun Map Would’ve Made the Job Easier, Safer
Reformed crooks say the New York newspaper that published a map of names and addresses of gun owners did a great service – to their old cronies in the burglary trade.

The information published online by the Journal-News, a daily paper serving the New York suburbs of Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties, could be highly useful to thieves in two ways, former burglars told FoxNews.com. Crooks looking to avoid getting shot now know which targets are soft and those who need weapons know where they can steal them.
“That was the most asinine article I’ve ever seen,” said Walter T. Shaw, 65, a former burglar and jewel thief who the FBI blames for more than 3,000 break-ins that netted some $70 million in the 1960s and 1970s. “Having a list of who has a gun is like gold - why rob that house when you can hit the one next door, where there are no guns?

"What they did was insanity," added Shaw, author of "License to Steal," a book about his criminal career.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/04/ex-burglars-say-newspapers-gun-map-wouldve-made-job-easier-safer/

Inmates using newspaper's gun owner map to threaten guards, sheriff says
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/04/law-enforcement-latest-critics-on-public-display-gun-owner-data-officers/print#ixzz2H779tV2i

Coulter Tears Into Liberal Gun Hypocrisy: Why Can’t We Publish List Of Women Who Get Abortions?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/coulter-tears-into-liberal-gun-hypocrisy-why-cant-we-publish-list-of-women-who-get-abortions/

[Arrowwind]

Im wondering if they can rally such a tizzy that local people will attack local people, or at least pit locals against locals to the extent that whent he military or other forces move in to remove guns no one will lift a finger to stop them.....
think Rowanda.

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Are people really this brain-dead?



to answer your question, yes, people are this brain dead.

[Flash]

Freedom of information act allowed the newspaper to have the names and adresses. We have the same act in Canada, HOWEVER,
we also have a PRIVACY LAW. Anything in the information provided to anyone by any government or corporate organisations has to obey both laws, however, the privacy law HAS PRIORITY and within information provided, it is the responsibilities of the organisation to delete any private data before answering to the freedom of informaiton act.

However, doing that in USA would contradict whatever Bush has implemented to make sure privacy was all about gone.

And believe me, I have worked with the association of people working on the privacy law vs freedom of information law, and the priority of the privacy law is very strictly enforced.

If this would have happened in Canada, the newspaper would have been sued to banckrupcy and the employees jailed.

[Arrowwind]

Well this is a recent event. This newspaper could very well be sued before all is said and done.

[sdv]

I am a passionate and radical anti-guns advocate* (as some on this forum may have noticed!), but fail to understand the purpose of publishing the names and addresses of all gun owners.

However, was the list of names and addresses published? I have seen outrage about this supposed event but not actually seen the published list. If it was only a map showing statistics, then this is useful to understand culture and many other things about gun ownership in the USA.

If the deed has indeed been done, then what is done is done and we need to find a way to find the best possible outcome from a bad situation.

Is there no organisation in the USA that holds media accountable against agreed standards? Surely we are intelligent and advanced enough to allow for freedom of expression and the reasonable and rational evalaution of what is expressed according to civilised standards? Have we not been shown time and time again that most people do not handle freedom of expression in a responsible, mature and accountable way? Unfortunately, the evaluation and criticism of what the media spews out is often so irrational and unreasonable in itself that it just feeds the problem instead of solving it.

*Guns? If all the good guys have guns, we can protect the good guys against the bad guys. How can violence be used as a solution to the problem of violence? (As long as you carry a gun and are prepared to use it, you are in the mindset of being willing and able to kill another human being, which is a violent act, or, at the very least, you are willing to use the threat of death and suffering to wield power and force your will on another.) Violence can never be used to transform violence.

[risveglio]

I guess the home invaders in Connecticut now know which houses to avoid.

[Leon]

Doing this just shows those who want the guns for crime where to find them...

Best thing that can be done in the US is to muffle your media.
No more publishing of names of shooter or victims. this stops glorification of shooters.
Here we had a shooting on the 1st of January, unfortunatly. 3 people were killed before people shot back and wounded the gunman.
No law could have prevented this shooting as he was not allowed to own weapons. so where did he get them is the question now...
This is the second such shooting in 12 years, in total 24 people were shot. in the same time period 3600 people were killed in car accident, 28 in one bus...

I don't hear talk of tightning drivers licences, strickter laws on who buys a car???? what is wrong with this picture????

[conk]

I am a passionate and radical anti-guns advocate* (as some on this forum may have noticed!), but fail to understand the purpose of publishing the names and addresses of all gun owners.

However, was the list of names and addresses published? I have seen outrage about this supposed event but not actually seen the published list. If it was only a map showing statistics, then this is useful to understand culture and many other things about gun ownership in the USA.

If the deed has indeed been done, then what is done is done and we need to find a way to find the best possible outcome from a bad situation.

Is there no organisation in the USA that holds media accountable against agreed standards? Surely we are intelligent and advanced enough to allow for freedom of expression and the reasonable and rational evalaution of what is expressed according to civilised standards? Have we not been shown time and time again that most people do not handle freedom of expression in a responsible, mature and accountable way? Unfortunately, the evaluation and criticism of what the media spews out is often so irrational and unreasonable in itself that it just feeds the problem instead of solving it.

*Guns? If all the good guys have guns, we can protect the good guys against the bad guys. How can violence be used as a solution to the problem of violence? (As long as you carry a gun and are prepared to use it, you are in the mindset of being willing and able to kill another human being, which is a violent act, or, at the very least, you are willing to use the threat of death and suffering to wield power and force your will on another.) Violence can never be used to transform violence.

I have no desire to transform violence. My intent is to kill it before it kills my family. Better yet, when some meth crazed fool breaks into my house, blazing with insanity, I'll just sit him down and pray for peace, love, and campfire songs. That should make him realize his mistake and leave peacefully. <smacks forehead>

Violence not a solution to violence? Tell my mother that after she blasted three 38 caliber holes in her door as the brain dead thug tried to tear her door from the frame. Tell me that it doesn't work after I was a millimeter away from the school administrator, slinging invective and spit, after he refused to expel the zombie boy who had my daughter's name on his hit list and had told several kids he was bringing a gun to school the next day to take care of his list. My 'violence' changed the admin's mind. Tell me violence doesn't work after hearing about me taking away the thick leather belt one of 5 punks was using to beat me with (huge buckle at the end). I choked him within a inch of his eternity, as the other 4 idiots ran home to their crack pipe.

Peace and love have their huge place in this world, but sometimes you have to speak the instant language of the force in front of you at that moment in time. If it takes one of my guns to communicate, then BANG BANG BANG Pow!

[SilentFeathers]

I am a passionate and radical anti-guns advocate* (as some on this forum may have noticed!), but fail to understand the purpose of publishing the names and addresses of all gun owners.

However, was the list of names and addresses published? I have seen outrage about this supposed event but not actually seen the published list. If it was only a map showing statistics, then this is useful to understand culture and many other things about gun ownership in the USA.

If the deed has indeed been done, then what is done is done and we need to find a way to find the best possible outcome from a bad situation.

Is there no organisation in the USA that holds media accountable against agreed standards? Surely we are intelligent and advanced enough to allow for freedom of expression and the reasonable and rational evalaution of what is expressed according to civilised standards? Have we not been shown time and time again that most people do not handle freedom of expression in a responsible, mature and accountable way? Unfortunately, the evaluation and criticism of what the media spews out is often so irrational and unreasonable in itself that it just feeds the problem instead of solving it.

*Guns? If all the good guys have guns, we can protect the good guys against the bad guys. How can violence be used as a solution to the problem of violence? (As long as you carry a gun and are prepared to use it, you are in the mindset of being willing and able to kill another human being, which is a violent act, or, at the very least, you are willing to use the threat of death and suffering to wield power and force your will on another.) Violence can never be used to transform violence.

I have no desire to transform violence. My intent is to kill it before it kills my family. Better yet, when some meth crazed fool breaks into my house, blazing with insanity, I'll just sit him down and pray for peace, love, and campfire songs. That should make him realize his mistake and leave peacefully. <smacks forehead>

Violence not a solution to violence? Tell my mother that after she blasted three 38 caliber holes in her door as the brain dead thug tried to tear her door from the frame. Tell me that it doesn't work after I was a millimeter away from the school administrator, slinging invective and spit, after he refused to expel the zombie boy who had my daughter's name on his hit list and had told several kids he was bringing a gun to school the next day to take care of his list. My 'violence' changed the admin's mind. Tell me violence doesn't work after hearing about me taking away the thick leather belt one of 5 punks was using to beat me with (huge buckle at the end). I choked him within a inch of his eternity, as the other 4 idiots ran home to their crack pipe.

Peace and love have their huge place in this world, but sometimes you have to speak the instant language of the force in front of you at that moment in time. If it takes one of my guns to communicate, then BANG BANG BANG Pow!

Great post conk!

People can pray for peace and love, but praying for "common sense" should be on the priority list too :)

Disarming law abiding responsible citizens does NOT disarm criminals.......I find it mind boggling so many can not see the writing on the wall about what would happen taking all the guns away from law abiding people!

[Fred Steeves]

I'd like to shake this guy's hand, there are still some good people in government. It was a real treat to watch this interview with him on FOX News, especially the way he ended it. Just an average guy, sticking to his "guns", and doing what he thinks is right.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/04/releasing-names-gun-permit-holders-endangers-public-new-york-county-clerk-says/

[SilentFeathers]

LOGANVILLE, Ga. — A Georgia mother hid her two 9-year-old twins and shot an intruder several times during a home invasion on Friday, according to multiple media reports.

When the suspect went into the closet where the family was hiding ,the woman fired six bullets at the suspect, five of which hit alleged suspect Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area.
“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver,” Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

The victim’s husband said he’s proud of his wife.
“My wife is a hero. She protected her kids. She did what she was supposed to do as responsible, prepared gun owner,” Donnie Herman told WSB-TV.

http://myfox8.com/2013/01/06/ga-mom-shoots-intruder-5-times-saves-children/

Quite possibly saving her life and likely the children's lives too.....

[jagman]

I am a passionate and radical anti-guns advocate* (as some on this forum may have noticed!), but fail to understand the purpose of publishing the names and addresses of all gun owners.

However, was the list of names and addresses published? I have seen outrage about this supposed event but not actually seen the published list. If it was only a map showing statistics, then this is useful to understand culture and many other things about gun ownership in the USA.

If the deed has indeed been done, then what is done is done and we need to find a way to find the best possible outcome from a bad situation.

Is there no organisation in the USA that holds media accountable against agreed standards? Surely we are intelligent and advanced enough to allow for freedom of expression and the reasonable and rational evalaution of what is expressed according to civilised standards? Have we not been shown time and time again that most people do not handle freedom of expression in a responsible, mature and accountable way? Unfortunately, the evaluation and criticism of what the media spews out is often so irrational and unreasonable in itself that it just feeds the problem instead of solving it.

*Guns? If all the good guys have guns, we can protect the good guys against the bad guys. How can violence be used as a solution to the problem of violence? (As long as you carry a gun and are prepared to use it, you are in the mindset of being willing and able to kill another human being, which is a violent act, or, at the very least, you are willing to use the threat of death and suffering to wield power and force your will on another.) Violence can never be used to transform violence.

I have no desire to transform violence. My intent is to kill it before it kills my family. Better yet, when some meth crazed fool breaks into my house, blazing with insanity, I'll just sit him down and pray for peace, love, and campfire songs. That should make him realize his mistake and leave peacefully. <smacks forehead>

Violence not a solution to violence? Tell my mother that after she blasted three 38 caliber holes in her door as the brain dead thug tried to tear her door from the frame. Tell me that it doesn't work after I was a millimeter away from the school administrator, slinging invective and spit, after he refused to expel the zombie boy who had my daughter's name on his hit list and had told several kids he was bringing a gun to school the next day to take care of his list. My 'violence' changed the admin's mind. Tell me violence doesn't work after hearing about me taking away the thick leather belt one of 5 punks was using to beat me with (huge buckle at the end). I choked him within a inch of his eternity, as the other 4 idiots ran home to their crack pipe.

Peace and love have their huge place in this world, but sometimes you have to speak the instant language of the force in front of you at that moment in time. If it takes one of my guns to communicate, then BANG BANG BANG Pow!

I regurlarly clean my weapons outside, So the whole neighbor can see. Sometimes
a good show of force is all it takes.I pray i never have to end anothers life but if
my families lives were in jeopardy I would not hesitate. Or if i was ever in the middle of some kind of mass shooting I would not hesitate

[buckminster fuller]

I am a passionate and radical anti-guns advocate* (as some on this forum may have noticed!), but fail to understand the purpose of publishing the names and addresses of all gun owners.

However, was the list of names and addresses published? I have seen outrage about this supposed event but not actually seen the published list. If it was only a map showing statistics, then this is useful to understand culture and many other things about gun ownership in the USA.

If the deed has indeed been done, then what is done is done and we need to find a way to find the best possible outcome from a bad situation.

Is there no organisation in the USA that holds media accountable against agreed standards? Surely we are intelligent and advanced enough to allow for freedom of expression and the reasonable and rational evalaution of what is expressed according to civilised standards? Have we not been shown time and time again that most people do not handle freedom of expression in a responsible, mature and accountable way? Unfortunately, the evaluation and criticism of what the media spews out is often so irrational and unreasonable in itself that it just feeds the problem instead of solving it.

*Guns? If all the good guys have guns, we can protect the good guys against the bad guys. How can violence be used as a solution to the problem of violence? (As long as you carry a gun and are prepared to use it, you are in the mindset of being willing and able to kill another human being, which is a violent act, or, at the very least, you are willing to use the threat of death and suffering to wield power and force your will on another.) Violence can never be used to transform violence.

I have no desire to transform violence. My intent is to kill it before it kills my family. Better yet, when some meth crazed fool breaks into my house, blazing with insanity, I'll just sit him down and pray for peace, love, and campfire songs. That should make him realize his mistake and leave peacefully. <smacks forehead>

Violence not a solution to violence? Tell my mother that after she blasted three 38 caliber holes in her door as the brain dead thug tried to tear her door from the frame. Tell me that it doesn't work after I was a millimeter away from the school administrator, slinging invective and spit, after he refused to expel the zombie boy who had my daughter's name on his hit list and had told several kids he was bringing a gun to school the next day to take care of his list. My 'violence' changed the admin's mind. Tell me violence doesn't work after hearing about me taking away the thick leather belt one of 5 punks was using to beat me with (huge buckle at the end). I choked him within a inch of his eternity, as the other 4 idiots ran home to their crack pipe.

Peace and love have their huge place in this world, but sometimes you have to speak the instant language of the force in front of you at that moment in time. If it takes one of my guns to communicate, then BANG BANG BANG Pow!

All this would be very true if you were to live in a jungle, which you don't. What about justice, police forces, laws...?
What about getting your understanding of things up a notch on the tree of intelligence ..?
What about getting to the root causes of criminality (no, it is not in the genes...)..?
USA are a big 24/7 show, "BANG BANG BANG Pow!" This all sounds childish, selfish and arrogant. Real sad in fact.

[sdv]

I am comforted by the fact that there are just a few on PA that have minds and hearts filled with violence (and we all justify whatever we think, feel and believe) and thus feed hatred and violence.

Yes, I have had a home invasion (twice actually). I have been gagged and trussed up and had a knife at my throat and threats to kill me (two people have recently suffocated and died from the same gagging and trussing up that I was subjected to). I have not been able to recover from the consequences from all that was stolen from me (there is compelling testimony that points to the local police being connected to the burglaries so goods are never recovered and the gang is still out there and they now have replaced the hunting knives with guns). I am too aware of the consequences that I will carry to the next lifetime, and the next, and the ripple effect that would have to make the choice to arm myself and thus choose to threaten and do bodily harm to another human being.

I do have my limits where, for me, guns and the use of guns are acceptable, and this is an indication of my limits. I have been on wilderness hikes where the guide carried a rifle (not an automatic or even a semi-automatic) and this has not troubled me because occasionally a predatory wild animal does go nuts and attack and eat a human being and I know that these guides have the wisdom and ability to instantly know when a warning shot will scare off the animal and when he/she will have to actually have to shoot the animal to save a human life. I would prefer the guide to carry a rifle with tranquilizer darts rather than bullets, but, in the past, I have accepted the latter. I understand that a parent would want to do anything to stop a child from being tortured and brutally murdered, but I still prefer a gun loaded with tranquilizer darts rather than bullets!

Many human beings are OK with killing another human being (and they present many justifications for this). I also acknowledge the (to me) peculiar and distorted frontier, defensive fear mentality in the USA. (I watched a documentary about the 2004 tsunami and was much amused when the one American couple's immediate reaction when the disaster struck was that it was a terrorist attack! By the way, the sea was mysteriously receding and the Scandinavians kept on filming - that was their, to me, peculiar response. The locals ran, even though they had never experienced a tsunami!)

This conversation about guns in America is actually a conversation about the hearts and minds of Americans and this does affect the rest of the world because this simplistic belief that life is about good and bad guys and we must just arm ourselves to the teeth to get rid of and defend ourselves against the bad guys has spread much destruction and suffering across the globe (not only by Americans but also by those who have embraced this belief).

But, back to the subject of this thread - does this name and shame antic of the media foster peace or more violence (and the feelings and thoughts that foster either)? I think it just feeds the blame and divisive attitudes that foster violence, but I have yet to see a game-changing response from anyone.

By the way, I am aware of the powerful strength in the hearts and minds that support the beliefs of gun lovers, but most human beings find a way to live in peace and harmony every day in some corner of our planet, and that is what I choose to do as well (and if those skollies finally actually kill me one day, I will just come back more beautiful and talented and full of potential than before!).

[SilentFeathers]

Just because one is pro gun and will use deadly force to prevent another from killing them and their family etc does not make that person "violent".

[Fred Steeves]

I am comforted by the fact that there are just a few on PA that have minds and hearts filled with violence (and we all justify whatever we think, feel and believe) and thus feed hatred and violence.


See, this is where it makes it real tough for people of differing viewpoints to accept each other as is, and to work together towards a common goal. Why the insults sdv? I choose to possess the means of defending my family against violent attack, or stopping a mass shooting in progress in a public place, and that earns me the label of having my mind and heart filled with violence?

Wow...

[buckminster fuller]

I am comforted by the fact that there are just a few on PA that have minds and hearts filled with violence (and we all justify whatever we think, feel and believe) and thus feed hatred and violence.


See, this is where it makes it real tough for people of differing viewpoints to accept each other as is, and to work together towards a common goal. Why the insults sdv? I choose to possess the means of defending my family against violent attack, or stopping a mass shooting in progress in a public place, and that earns me the label of having my mind and heart filled with violence?

Wow...

Guns don't bring justice, never.
It is one's choice to live in a violent community without assessing the realities that make this violence a normality. Places where guns are REGULATED don't know such violence.
You could be defending the whole earth, killing is a failure in the face of all that makes up our intellectual legacy. This system that you choose to follow is regressive and violent. I don't see how less violent it is to kill a "criminal" than a criminal killing is. All I can see is a snake eating it's own tail, with nowhere to go, with no room to evolve.

[buckminster fuller]

Just because one is pro gun and will use deadly force to prevent another from killing them and their family etc does not make that person "violent".

Victimization doesn't resolve guilt. What is violent is the act. Acting makes you violent, whatever justice you think you are rendering, it is not justice at all.

[SilentFeathers]

Just because one is pro gun and will use deadly force to prevent another from killing them and their family etc does not make that person "violent".

Victimization doesn't resolve guilt. What is violent is the act. Acting makes you violent, whatever justice you think you are rendering, it is not justice at all.

I disagree, sorry we see things differently....

I believe an act of violence is justified when it involves saving the life of another....or saving your own.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Doing this just shows those who want the guns for crime where to find them...

Best thing that can be done in the US is to muffle your media.
No more publishing of names of shooter or victims. this stops glorification of shooters.
Here we had a shooting on the 1st of January, unfortunatly. 3 people were killed before people shot back and wounded the gunman.
No law could have prevented this shooting as he was not allowed to own weapons. so where did he get them is the question now...
This is the second such shooting in 12 years, in total 24 people were shot. in the same time period 3600 people were killed in car accident, 28 in one bus...

I don't hear talk of tightning drivers licences, strickter laws on who buys a car???? what is wrong with this picture????

I thought the same thing, nice to let the crooks know where to go pick up weapons to use on neighbors without them...

I heard they are planning legislation that registered owners will be responsible if their gun is stolen and used in a crime...

new twists to get gunslingers arrested...

quietly pick up a gun use it in a false flag, then have the owner arrested and hauled to a FEMA camp...

who could write a book as twisted as the one we are living...