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another bob
5th January 2013, 22:15
You Can't See It, But You'll Be A Different Person In 10 Years

by Nell Greenfieldboyce


No matter how old people are, they seem to believe that who they are today is essentially who they'll be tomorrow.

That's according to fresh research that suggests that people generally fail to appreciate how much their personality and values will change in the years ahead — even though they recognize that they have changed in the past.

Daniel Gilbert, a psychology researcher at Harvard University who did this study with two colleagues, says that he's no exception to this rule.

"I have this deep sense that although I will physically age — I'll have even less hair than I do and probably a few more pounds — that by and large the core of me, my identity, my values, my personality, my deepest preferences, are not going to change from here on out," says Gilbert, who is 55.

He realized that this feeling was kind of odd, given that he knows he's changed in the past. He wondered if this feeling was an illusion, and if it was one that other people shared: "Is it really the case that we all think that development is a process that's brought us to this particular moment in time, but now we're pretty much done?"

Gilbert says that he and his colleagues wanted to investigate this idea, but first they had to figure out how. The most straightforward way would be to ask people to predict how much they'd change in the next decade, then wait around to see if they were right. "The problem with that is, it takes 10 years," says Gilbert.

So the researchers took a much quicker approach. They got more than 19,000 people to take some surveys. There were questions about their personality traits, their core values and preferences. Some people were asked to look back on how they changed over the past 10 years. Others were asked to predict how they thought they would change in the next decade.

Then the scientists crunched the data. "We're able to determine whether, for example, 40-year-olds looking backwards remember changing more than 30-year-olds looking forwards predict that they will change," Gilbert explains.

They found that people underestimated how much they will change in the future. People just didn't recognize how much their seemingly essential selves would shift and grow.

And this was true whether they were in their teen years or middle-aged.

"Life is a process of growing and changing, and what our results suggest is that growth and change really never stops," says Gilbert, "despite the fact that at every age from 18 to 68, we think it's pretty much come to a close."

Personality changes do take place faster when people are younger, says Gilbert, so "a person who says I've changed more in the past decade than I expect to change in the future is not wrong."

But that doesn't mean they fully understand what's still to come. "Their estimates of how much they'll change in the future are underestimates," says Gilbert. "They are going to change more than they realize. Change does slow; it just doesn't slow as much as we think it will."

The studies, reported in the journal Science, impressed Nicholas Epley, a psychology researcher at the University of Chicago. "I think the finding that comes out of it is a really fundamentally interesting one, and in some ways, a really ironic one as well," says Epley.

He says everyone seemed to remember change in the past just fine. "What was bad, though, was what they predicted for the future," says Epley.

He notes that if you want to know what your next 10 years will be like, it's probably good to look at what your past 10 years were like — even though we seem not to want to do that.

Gilbert says he doesn't yet know why people have what he and his colleagues call the "end of history illusion."

One possibility is that it's just really, really hard to imagine a different, future version of yourself. Or maybe people just like themselves the way they are now, and don't like the idea of some unknown change to come.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/01/03/168567019/you-cant-see-it-but-youll-be-a-different-person-in-10-years

Cidersomerset
5th January 2013, 22:43
Thanks anotherbob an interresting question.

another bob
6th January 2013, 00:17
In the shadow play of memory, attention hitches a ride on the “Way-back machine” of imagination and projects a self that never was, creating the illusion of time and personal continuity. Even the one who remembers is none other than the memory itself. Memory remembers, untouched by any actual someone who dreams that they possess it. Nevertheless, the memory of past disappointments, unfulfilled desires, and stubborn grudges traps energy, helping to create the sense of a person, and with that story comes the whole drama of “me and mine” that constitutes the chronic and pervasive sense of unhappiness.

Random, arbitrary, transitory, delightful, terrible, beautiful, horrifying, bliss-permeated, mysteriously charming and vaguely blurred non-binding modifications of consciousness — nobody is implicated, blamed, validated, honored, or confirmed by memory except the fictional character we may yet take ourselves to be.

In reality, that character is a fabrication of emptiness. Memory is merely emptiness shrunk down, condensed, packaged and framed into a flickering picture, and all for the benefit of a passing fantasy chasing a mirage, already decaying before our eyes.

Garbed in an endless array of neural costumery, memory is an organizing principle for consciousness to reflect a sense of enduring individuation in its path towards self-awareness. All of our self-concepts are memory-based data retrieval programs fabricated by consciousness to support and maintain a streaming scheme of personal continuity in the face of incomprehensible chaos (the unknown source of itself), and so navigate the dependently originating objective world as if it were permanent, substantial, and real.

Memory requires a frame of reference. However, without resort to memory, what reference is there to frame? Without resort to memory, the whole story is snatched away, leaving us with “what is” – all that we have been running from into the schemes of escape and avoidance, or strategies of craving and clinging, that comprise our everyday experience of consciousness, along with its attendant boredom, doubt, stress, and dissatisfaction.

However, by seeing through and freeing ourselves from any fixated identity based on the bonds of memory, we can let go of the weight of clinging to the past, and so greet every moment as a blank canvas, fresh and ready for the full presence of what is real and true right here, right now. Whatever that might be, we will no longer need to characterize or categorize it based on old memory filters and associations, and so we become once more like little children, unbound from conditioned fantasies of interpretation on experience and perception.

another bob
6th January 2013, 01:01
Thanks anotherbob an interresting question.

Right -- if who we thought we were is not actually who we really were, and if who we imagine we will be is not truly who we will be, then why would we suppose that who we currently take ourselves to be is who and what we are?

WhiteFeather
6th January 2013, 01:08
They say our cells get a good overhaul in 7 years as well.

THE BODY'S SEVEN-YEAR RENEWAL

by Dawn Young Lang, Upsilon Lambda/Hanover College

The human body is an amazing organism comprised of billions of cells and tissues that undergo constant renewal. This renewal process is cyclical: Biologists have determined that over a seven-year period, the billions of cells in our body are replaced by billions of new cells. It is believed that every seven years we grow a new body.

All human beings go throughcycles in their lives, progressing from infant to child to adolescent to adult.Each stagebuilds upon previous biology and experience while evolving from one stageto the next. The theme of seven-year cycles has been found in sources as varied as the Torah, the New Testament, the plays of Shakespeare,Americanfolk wisdom,Native Americantradition, Buddhist lore, the philosophy of the Greek mathematician Pythagoras, traditional Chinese medicine, and the phases ofthe moon that change every seventh day and to which women's reproductive rhythms and hormonal pulses correspond (Borysenko, 1996).
The seven-year cycle is most aligned with traditional Chinese medicine dating to 1500 BC, which believes that natural and normal health changes occur at regular seven-year intervals.

More http://eleusis.chiomega.com/feature.aspx?item=Secondary/Sp07FeatureSevenYear.xml

And I thought of this song. Getting The Led out...if you will. And Good to see your presence again Bob


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9bP-LbR8u8

Sidney
6th January 2013, 18:14
It IS true, because I look at who I was 10 years ago, and I am very different than I was then. We all experience personal growth every day, and the effect is cumulative. Today, I am different than I was yesterday. Times that by 3,650 (ten years)!! Daily, it is subtle, annually more noticeable, after a decade....WOW

Cidersomerset
6th January 2013, 20:40
They say our cells get a good overhaul in 7 years as well.

THE BODY'S SEVEN-YEAR RENEWAL

by Dawn Young Lang, Upsilon Lambda/Hanover College

The human body is an amazing organism comprised of billions of cells and tissues that undergo constant renewal. This renewal process is cyclical: Biologists have determined that over a seven-year period, the billions of cells in our body are replaced by billions of new cells. It is believed that every seven years we grow a new body.

All human beings go throughcycles in their lives, progressing from infant to child to adolescent to adult.Each stagebuilds upon previous biology and experience while evolving from one stageto the next. The theme of seven-year cycles has been found in sources as varied as the Torah, the New Testament, the plays of Shakespeare,Americanfolk wisdom,Native Americantradition, Buddhist lore, the philosophy of the Greek mathematician Pythagoras, traditional Chinese medicine, and the phases ofthe moon that change every seventh day and to which women's reproductive rhythms and hormonal pulses correspond (Borysenko, 1996).
The seven-year cycle is most aligned with traditional Chinese medicine dating to 1500 BC, which believes that natural and normal health changes occur at regular seven-year intervals.


Thanks White feather this answers part of the question i posed in # post 2 before i edited it because i was not sure if it tied in with the thread after i reread it ..LOl..

This is what I thought everyday our bodies replaces 1000's of cells , one researcher
I listened to said we generate the cells from the pienial gland triggering
the brain to to tell the body and is why we sleep in the darkso the light sencor in
the gland knows when to start replacing them .He went onto say nightshift workers
have problems due to it quite often not being dark enoughwhen they sleep during
the day and suffer more than natural cycle sleep ! Sounds plausible ?

This leads to the other question I posed and deleted because i was not sure if it sounded to odd ( well more odd than usaul.LOL )..
IS the brain made up of the same replicating cells, and if so where does memmory come from ? Logically in would mean we would
only have a seven year memmory ? LOL....

Maybe as our bodies are surrounded by an electrical auric field, could memmory be part of our non-physical ?
Or is each cell coded like a chip and downloaded to the new brain cells ? interresting stuff .......Steve..

Cidersomerset
6th January 2013, 20:51
Right -- if who we thought we were is not actually who we really were, and if who we imagine we will be is not truly who we will be, then why would we suppose that who we currently take ourselves to be is who and what we are?

Well thats a brainteaser bob, i think I will have to regenerate a few more new brain cells to answer that one !!..LOL..

another bob
6th January 2013, 21:16
It IS true, because I look at who I was 10 years ago, and I am very different than I was then. We all experience personal growth every day, and the effect is cumulative. Today, I am different than I was yesterday. Times that by 3,650 (ten years)!! Daily, it is subtle, annually more noticeable, after a decade....WOW


"Everything we think we know today will be the butt of jokes in less than fifty years."

~Lou Baldin

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Right -- if who we thought we were is not actually who we really were, and if who we imagine we will be is not truly who we will be, then why would we suppose that who we currently take ourselves to be is who and what we are?

Well thats a brainteaser bob, i think I will have to regenerate a few more new brain cells to answer that one !!..LOL..




“What is non-self? It means impermanence. If things are impermanent, they don’t remain the same things forever. You of this moment are no longer you of a minute ago. There is no permanent entity within us, there is only a stream of being. There is always a lot of input and output. The input and the output happen in every second, and we should learn how to look at life as streams of being, and not as separate entities. For instance, looking into a flower, you can see that the flower is made of many elements that we can call non-flower elements. When you touch the flower, you touch the cloud. You cannot remove the cloud from the flower, because if you could remove the cloud from the flower, the flower would collapse right away. You don’t have to be a poet in order to see a cloud floating in the flower, but you know very well that without the clouds there would be no rain and no water for the flower to grow. So cloud is part of flower, and if you send the element cloud back to the sky, there will be no flower. Cloud is a non-flower element. And the sunshine…you can touch the sunshine here. If you send back the element sunshine, the flower will vanish. And sunshine is another non-flower element. And earth, and gardener…if you continue, you will see a multitude of non-flower elements in the flower. In fact, a flower is made only with non-flower elements. It does not have a separate self.

A flower cannot be by herself alone. A flower has to "inter-be" with everything else that is called non-flower. That is what we call inter-being. You cannot be, you can only inter-be. The word inter-be can reveal more of the reality than the word "to be". You cannot be by yourself alone, you have to inter-be with everything else. So the true nature of the flower is the nature of inter-being, the nature of no self. The flower is there, beautiful, fragrant, yes, but the flower is empty of a separate self. To be empty is not a negative note. Because of emptiness, everything becomes possible.

So a flower is described as empty. But I like to say it differently. A flower is empty only of a separate self, but a flower is full of everything else. The whole cosmos can be seen, can be identified, can be touched, in one flower. So to say that the flower is empty of a separate self also means that the flower is full of the cosmos. It’s the same thing. So you are of the same nature as a flower: you are empty of a separate self, but you are full of the cosmos. You are as wonderful as the cosmos, you are a manifestation of the cosmos. So “non-self” is another guide in order for us to successfully practice looking deeply. What does it mean to look deeply? Looking deeply means to look in such a way that the true nature of impermanence and non-self can reveal themselves to you. Looking into yourself, looking into the flower, you can touch the nature of impermanence and the nature of non-self, and if you can touch the nature of impermanence and non-self deeply, you can also touch the nature of nirvana.”

~Thich Nhat Hanh