Alex Jones Debate with Piers Morgan 1/7/2012 on CNN

[Referee]

Should be some fireworks!

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[D-Day]

Well, at the very least it should be enertaining.

[christian]

This is how InfoWars announces this event on facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151450434822577&set=a.86422397576.98136.80256732576&type=1):


Alex Jones will be on Piers Morgan Tonight, ahead of his Deportation for Foreign Subversion.

Get ready for the message of Truth and Liberty to be culture-jammed to the dying dinosaur authoritarian lamestream media and it's dwindling viewers.

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[ghostrider]

Well, at the very least it should be enertaining.

yes, probably the only thing on TV that will be real entertainment...

[christian]

Status-update from InfoWars (http://www.facebook.com/InfowarsWithAlexJones/posts/10151450532477577):


Alex Jones was detained by the TSA and threatened with arrest on his way to appear on CNN tonight. Article coming.....

You bet Alex won't miss an opportunity to stir the pot. Him clashing with the TSA doesn't come out of nowhere. Fair enough, I find. This is infusing your whole life, every step of it with the battle for freedom.

[andrewgreen]

The problem is Piers Morgan won't want any real debate he will just try to wind up Alex Jones. This will be a real test of Alex Jones, because I don't think he can win here.

[SilentFeathers]

Status-update from InfoWars (http://www.facebook.com/InfowarsWithAlexJones/posts/10151450532477577):


Alex Jones was detained by the TSA and threatened with arrest on his way to appear on CNN tonight. Article coming.....

You bet Alex won't miss an opportunity to stir the pot. Him clashing with the TSA doesn't come out of nowhere. Fair enough, I find. This is infusing your whole life, every step of it with the battle for freedom.

Here's a pic of him on his way to New York.....

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/january2013/070113tsa1.jpg

[Maia Gabrial]

As long as Piers Morgan allows Alex Jones to speak instead of hogging the limelight, it should be quite interesting. I'm betting on Alex myself...

[Hip Hipnotist]

Since I don't own a television perhaps some Avalonian who does can post the debacle blow by blow.

Reminds me of the times I did own such a device and was hooked on the brutal boxing spectacles. 'Specially when Tyson bit Holyfield's ear off. Ummm. Blood.

That was before the heart attack and bypass surgery that led me to eat basically stuff that grows and to ditch the electronic mind altering boob box.

However, that being said -- someone PLEEZ post the 'blood bath' tonight as I feel a 'jones' comin' on! ( That's 'jones' defined as wanting something real bad. Not Jones as in Alex. Although I wouldn't mind knowing he pummeled that former Amerika's Got Talent dumbass judge. ) ;-))

[T Smith]

Personally, I'm having a hard time fathoming what CNN is up to here. This is supposedly a live interview. It is a huge gamble allowing someone like Alex Jones on a live propaganda program broadcast to an audience largely in trance. My guess is their game plan is to bait him into assuming the role of someone largely misunderstood by this audience, i.e., they are probably aiming at manipulating the debate in such a way that he will come off as an unstable, paranoid extremist clinging to guns. There is no way Piers Morgan can win an honest debate with Alex Jones--and the producers of the show must realize this; the only thing I can think is their objective is to embarrass him live on air and in so doing render all advocates of the 2nd-Amendment to conspiracy theorist nut jobs, at best, or worse, to very scary domestic terrorists that need be disarmed.

[DeDukshyn]

The problem is Piers Morgan won't want any real debate he will just try to wind up Alex Jones. This will be a real test of Alex Jones, because I don't think he can win here.

The way I see it, if Piers dances around and pussyfoots (which he does if he knows he can't win a debate) -- he loses. A debate needs substance and balls -- Piers has neither.

[D-Day]

Personally, I'm having a hard time fathoming what CNN is up to here. This is supposedly a live interview. It is a huge gamble allowing someone like Alex Jones on a live propaganda program broadcast to an audience largely in trance. My guess is their game plan is to bait him into assuming the role of someone largely misunderstood by this audience, i.e., they are probably aiming at manipulating the debate in such a way that he will come off as an unstable, paranoid extremist clinging to guns. There is no way Piers Morgan can win an honest debate with Alex Jones--and the producers of the show must realize this; the only thing I can think is their objective is to embarrass him live on air and in so doing render all advocates of the 2nd-Amendment to very scary domestic terrorists.

Yep, I'm with you T-Smith, there's definitely something fishy going on here.

CNN are up to something for sure.

I suspect there is some method behind their (seeming) madness... as we know all to well they are masters of spin and deception.

Why on Earth would they bring someone like Alex Jones (who has spent almost 20 years exposing MSM BS and propaganda for a living) onto one of their programs to debate a heavily indoctrinated "puppet on a string" like Piers Morgan?

If this was indeed set up to be a fair fight (which I very much doubt), I would fully expect Alex to run rings around Piers and basically just make him look idiotic... so why would they put themselves in a position where they could be made to look foolish?

It really doesn't make any sense when you think aobut it, so based on that I'm sticking with the notion that there's more to this than meets the eye.

My guess is they have some sort of devious plan in place to tip the scales in their favour, by throwing Alex off track some how and making him (and by association the alternative media/community) look like a bunch of foolhardy, delusional, nit-wits.

All I can say is that Alex had better be on his game for this one, no doubt they'll be pulling some rabbits out of the hat that I doubt Alex will be expecting.

I hope I'm worng though, as it would certainly be funny to watch Alex make a complete mochery of them on their home turf!

[sandy]

Personally I see it a just another distraction and an enticing one at that due to it being Alex and Piers. Makes me wonder if they are in cahoots for distracting events and of course the publicity. Know for sure I don't care for Piers and I have always had my doubts about who's side Alex is really on!! No TV at my place but I'm sure there will be lots of reporting about it right here on Avalon, should it really happen. :)

[DeDukshyn]

Personally I see it a just another distraction and an enticing one at that due to it being Alex and Piers. Makes me wonder if they are in cahoots for distracting events and of course the publicity. Know for sure I don't care for Piers and I have always had my doubts about who's side Alex is really on!! No TV at my place but I'm sure there will be lots of reporting about it right here on Avalon, should it really happen. :)

No worries, if you want to watch it, it will be on YouTube shortly after I'm sure ;)

[Referee]

Well Alex is in studio it just came on.

[Referee]

Alex should let Piers talk a bit.

[dreamer]

Wow Alex lit into him something fierce, homerun Alex

[New Dawn]

That was terrible. Alex needs to learn to calm down and let people talk. You undo all your good work when you act like that.

[DeDukshyn]

Lol, yup! Entertaining! I saw Alex on "The View" so wasn't expecting much more. lol. He should have properly debated, he would have still destroyed Piers, but he came off fanatical.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

he is a fanatic though!!! that is why people love him. he goes in, balls and all. Partly I think that is why they would have invited him. he looks like a looney tune when he flies off the handle. people arent going to pay him any mind. the sam as max keiser when he lets it all out... lol

[DeDukshyn]

Just remember this about the debate between Piers and Alex and any feelings for one or the other (or anything in life for that matter) ... "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance" -- Albert Einstein. ;) ;)

[HaveBlue]

I'm agreed with what Alex said a day ago about CNN having few viewers these days and that Alex will boost the ratings since infowars is now getting more public attention than ever.

Alex is sharp, very intelligent and someone I do admire very much! Desk thumping and all- he is sincere and that is what matters.

[NewFounderHome]

It is interesting to see the Piers side not even consider the other opinion.
seems to want to project the holy through, which nobody has the good info on.

No one side has the good and miracle answer and they both don't represent the hole of the population.

[apokalypse]

just seen the title Alex Jones debate Peirs Morgan on CNN this popup to me why Controllers(who ever you want to call them) didn't stop alex jones? for years now which i don't know how long Alex have went out on attack Government and saying what we on alternative saying and these Controllers doesn't stop him? now he's on CNN talking? on Mainstream Media...really?

this bring to David Icke Problem-reaction-Solution or Alex collier have said controllers are you to get rid of lower level, bring in new level or merging of different levels into one and implement new system.

Alex is great for the sheep to wake them up but once you woke up need to careful who you listen to and don't fall for the trap...always have your own solution.

[New Dawn]

Here is is for anyone who wants to see it!

gWQPZ-taYBs

[PandorasBox]

I can't believe there aren't more people that actually get a whiff of what is going on here...Sandy touched on it, but you guys really need to wake up and smell the coffee...you are watching just another episode of 'we're so friggin stupid'. Just another MSM hosted event to reel in the sheeple. Alex Jones is bought and paid for...he is no superhero and his and Morgan's job was to create division between Americans, gun owners and non-gun owners and also between Britian and America (deport Morgan, what a joke that is...more sheeple fodder)...no different than if it were between Romney and Obama, both sides of the same coin. Too many see AJ as a hero instead of the data miner that he is.

[T Smith]

Alex took the bait. I'm not confident he won over many who may have snapped out of their slumber had they truly absorbed the information. Instead they saw a fanatical and paranoid guest ranting about guns, sharks, and government boogymen. The spin by the various shills (save for the good Arizona sherif) who came on after Alex was exactly as I expected. They framed for the audience the mindset of a dangerous and unstable advocate of the 2nd Amendment who might well fill you full of lead in an heated argument. This was exactly the hand the establishment came to play, and they played it by using Alex Jones playing the role of himself.

As for Alex Jones, this was obviously a calculated performance on his part. Live prime time is a platform he rarely sees. He probably figured he would stir up controversy and attention, al a Charlie Sheen, if he made a spectacle of himself and squeezed in as many taboo talking points as possible in his ten minutes of primetime. I personally feel his position would have been better served if he engaged Piers Morgan a little more instead of launching into a hysterical diatribe. It would have legitimized the position, and perhaps even some of the taboo talking points. He still could have been aggressive without talking over the host, which put off most viewers, regardless of the facts.

[Ruby L.]

Thanks for the YT link, New Dawn. I was curious to see how the debate turned out, but was only able to stomach three minutes of Alex's rabid ranting and raving and waving his notes around. For goodness sake, bud-- compose yourself!

[Referee]

Alex Jones post interview.

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[GlassSteagallfan]

Big WOW that cnn allowed this interview!

...and thanks for the post interview.

[Hip Hipnotist]

Anyone who has followed Alex Jones for any length of time and hoped/thought/expected he would 'chill' on this primetime telecast (or any other venue ) obviously doesn't know Alex Jones. He did ( brilliantly, I might add ) what he does. Mr. Morgan started the program by stating that there's an issue he cares passionate about and he wants to make his position known 'loud and clear'.

He may have been clear but he certainly wasn't very loud.

On the other hand Mr. Jones was 'loud and clear' with an emphasis on LOUD. When you're attempting to wake the masses of sleeping, brain dead viewers of this program ( present company excluded ;-) and all other MS propaganda platforms you don't do it by tiptoeing through the tulips. I was not awakened to the reality of this illusion I'm living in by listening to Eckhart Tolle. Although, now that I'm ( somewhat ) awake I much prefer listening to Tolle.

Who won this debacle? Neither Jones nor Morgan. No one wins in a train wreck. That's what I expected to see. That's what I saw.

"All aboard!"

[Referee]

Anyone who has followed Alex Jones for any length of time and hoped/thought/expected he would 'chill' on this primetime telecast (or any other venue ) obviously doesn't know Alex Jones. He did ( brilliantly, I might add ) what he does. Mr. Morgan started the program by stating that there's an issue he cares passionate about and he wants to make his position known 'loud and clear'.

He may have been clear but he certainly wasn't very loud.



On the other hand Mr. Jones was 'loud and clear' with an emphasis on LOUD. When you're attempting to wake the masses of sleeping, brain dead viewers of this program ( present company excluded ;-) and all other MS propaganda platforms you don't do it by tiptoeing through the tulips. I was not awakened to the reality of this illusion I'm living in by listening to Eckhart Tolle. Although, now that I'm ( somewhat ) awake I much prefer listening to Tolle.

Who won this debacle? Neither Jones nor Morgan. No one wins in a train wreck. That's what I expected to see. That's what I saw.

"All aboard!"

Very Well said, I agree with everything. What is so exciting about this is waking more and more people up. I agree well done!

[aikisaw]

Tonight on an international stage Alex Jones spoke up about, the second amendment, crime statistics in USA, England, Mexico, and Switzerland, building 7 at the World Trade Center, Operation Fast and Furious, the Pharmaceutical connection to suicide and mass murder, CNN and Piers being compromised by big Pharma advertising dollars, false flags in Germany, and the USA, operation Gladio, Gulf of Tonkin, Piers running away from scandal in England, and a host of other topics.

I call that a pretty good evening.

Piers did not want to talk about anything but gun control.

Alex's passion may wake somebody up..

[gripreaper]

Oh Alex. Years ago I used to listen to Alex, until I found myself diving under the bed when the light switch got flipped. I realized that listening to him was making me paranoid and fearful. Too much.

He's gone parabolic, and on some level, rightfully so. Our forefathers put the second amendment into the Constitution so that we could protect ourselves from a tyrannical rogue government. The debate is not about whether crazy people should have guns. What we have, is a tyrannical rogue government.

I recognize he plays a role and he does shock people to awaken and begin to look at how things are, but after that, it's better to come to Avalon Forum for the truth.

[Ouroboros]

2 sides of the same coin. America is being conditioned for what's down the line. Some Avalon detectives should look into Piers O'meara's roots.

What did AJ achieve? Sure he had some valid points. He wouldn't of won over any mainstream viewers. With his typical AJ rant he came across as a stereotyped "conspiracy nut" Therefore his valid points became lost.

I've long been skeptical of AJ's intentions. He leaves me with more questions than answers with truths hidden within half truths creating confusion. Mission accomplished.

[SKAWF]

piers morgan did to jones.... exactly what he did to jesse ventura the first time.

jones and ventura both went in thinking that they knew how to counter morgan

ventura failed because he thought morgan was playing a game...
but morgan was.... if anything, playing the role of 'prosecutor'
ventura was left trying to guess the next move of someone who
wasnt even employing a strategy

same with jones.

morgan didnt have to do anything really.....

i think jones sold himself a bit.
he may have lost some strength.

he was asked flat out three times

who was responsible for 9 11?

he avoided it (arms crossed too!)

ive said that underneath everything is energy.
interaction is an energetic exchange.

after showing so much strength,
and sureness of knowledge
with regards to who is behind it all.....

in the moment....
he could have stood up......

instead he didnt.

he failed to respond to the question,
and set about trying to come at it indirectly....

how would it have been if he'd just said....

'those who have hijacked the worlds money supply,
those who have bought and paid for our corrupted polititions...
those who brainwash us with lies in the media..........
and those who have everything to gain by the controls they subject the rest of us to.

they did it piers....... and you work for them.'

ranting on about suicide pills probably didnt help either!

he fired so many shots from so many angles.... that very few of them landed imo.

i wonder if he will get a second chance.....
or will cnn leave it as it is?.....

alex did himself no favours there methinks

[ExomatrixTV]

j-1F1hTliKA

~what people think, do or "believe" ultimately is NOT because of Alex being "perfect or being 100% correct all the time" or being more "acceptable" in the eyes of the mass brainwashed & hypnotized!

It is about something else: WE ALL INDIVIDUALLY ARE 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR QUALITY OF THINKING and if you screw up, do NOT hide behind anyone else that supposedly do the thinking for you.

We all can make mistakes but at least admit that Totalitarianism & Corporatism hijacking governments!

John

[Sirius White]

What I found most interesting is the kid talking about the agent walking into the wall. Disappearing and coming up them from behind. And Alex Jones cutting him off, saying that stuff went down and "truth is stranger than fiction"

[ExomatrixTV]

Piers Morgan a shallow sound-bites driven Propaganda Mouthpiece Brainwashing TV Zombies into even more servitude & global enslavement

~Crime Stats Piers Morgan & MSM Won't Discuss [Epic AmidstTheNoise Rant] 2013 Gun Control Debate:
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~Jesse Ventura Pwned Piers Morgan in Gun Control Debate Live on CNN:
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of course people will address Alex being "rude & shouting" etc. Everybody KNOWS that Piers does not give a crap about your right to defend yourself.

Piers tries to play "The Underdog" role ... "the victim" to artificially manufacture more "sympathy" from the masses ... but his snobby arrogance is way to big to be ever considered a "victim" or an "underdog" lol

~Piers has lost face in so many LIVE (unedited) debates, it is not even funny anymore, but 1 thing is for sure HE HAS AN AGENDA .. Piers does NOT give a CRAP about countless contradictions he is spreading. Piers does certainly not care for the people to have the right to defend themselves against ANY form of Tyranny!

Piers Morgan only gets "famous" NOT because he is "respected" but because he feeds (like an energy vampire) upon ANY controversy that people want to see the confrontational fights.

[Fred Steeves]

Our buddy Piers and his agenda hit a grand slam home run last night, that was one hour of pure psy op if I've ever seen it. Anyone even close to teetering on the fence on the issues at hand walked away from that thinking: "By God Piers is right, these people ARE crazy, and very likely dangerous. This is the type that thinks 9/11 was an inside job?"

I don't know whether A.J. scored and snorted a gram of coke before the show, was under some sort of mind control, or if the real Alex was kidnapped and swapped for a clone(LOL), but his little tirade was beyond embarrassing. Thanks Alex, now whenever I bring up one of those issues, I'll be pegged as one of those raving lunatics (like you), who is a prime example of someone who shouldn't be trusted with a firearm. We all will.

As an aside, I've never seen Joe Arpaio like that either. He certainly played the stereotypical uncaring, uneducated, and mean spirited 2nd Amendment advocate to perfection. The stage was set for Morgan and Dershowitz to have themselves a little field day belittling and demeaning the rest of us. And, from what people saw from the two guests, rightly so.

[PandorasBox]

AJ is not your friend....they killed Bill Cooper and replaced him with AJ....AJ is Bill Hicks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUo_KM0gDXU

[PandorasBox]

Bill Hicks
(From Wikipedia) William Melvin “Bill” Hicks (December 16, 1961 – February 26, 1994) was an American stand-up comedian, social critic, satirist, and musician. His material largely consisted of general discussions about society, religion, politics, philosophy, and personal issues. Hicks’ material was often controversial and steeped in dark comedy. In both his stand-up performances and during interviews, he often criticized consumerism, superficiality, mediocrity, and banality within the media and popular culture, describing them as oppressive tools of the ruling class, meant to “keep people stupid and apathetic”.

Alex Jones
(From Wikipedia) Alexander Emerick “Alex” Jones (born February 11, 1974) is an American talk radio host, actor and filmmaker. His syndicated news/talk show The Alex Jones Show, based in Austin, Texas, airs via the Genesis Communication Network over 60 AM, FM, and shortwave radio stations across the United States and on the Internet. His websites include Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.

Things to Consider
1. There are crazies out there such as “Dallas Goldbug” who try and point out numerous double alias. While he’s crazy I think it’s very possible there are some real life examples and this might be one of the most likely and interesting.
2. If you were an Evil Genius that faked your death and came back as a differnt character to high-jack the leading voice of the truth movement…wouldn’t you pick the age off 33 to die?
3. Why, contrary to rumor, is there no clear evidence they couldn’t be the same person?
4. Physically there’s no doubt they could be the same person. It would be nothing to get lasic surgery, nose job, ear tuck and your voice changed with today’s known medical procedures.
5. If he was Bill Hicks it would explain perfectly why he seems over-acting in his most emotional points and almost seems demonic at times but all while presenting complete truth.
6. Alex Jones looks much older than he claims to be.
7. Bill Cooper once called into his show and it’s clear in follow-up radio broadcasts Alex lied about the conversation. We know he’s capable of lying.

[dreamer]

Aj is Bill hicks..... lol that's an old one, and very silly. come on.

[SEAM]

ty·ran·ni·cal
/təˈranikəl/
Adjective
Exercising power in a cruel or arbitrary way.
Characteristic of tyranny; oppressive and controlling....

Usage - "The act of using a bully pulpit under the guise of freedom to deport a US citizen for exercising his right to free speech"

Get back on the Prozac Alex..

[Kryztian]

Just looking at the coverage of the "Debate" in Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/08/alex-jones-piers-morgan-guns_n_2429161.html), and reading the comments below:


"The really scary part? People actually listen to Alex Jones' radio broadcast. (On the positive side, however, tinfoil hat sales are doing very well.)"

"Disturbingly emotionally disturbed man. Extremism is our biggest enemy in America."

"Whoa. Someone needs the prozac he's decrying... "

Alex has done some great interviews and he has gotten much relevant information out there, but he is also an arrogant blow hard. He doesn't know how to talk to people who are on a different wavelength and broaden his message. [Full disclosure, I haven't actually watched the video yet because my partner is still sleeping.] And of course the BBC and Piers Morgan have exploited that fact and deepened the view that those of us who want liberty are dangerous nuts that needed to be medicated.

This interview is one big psy-op and Jones made it a success for the powers that be.

[kaon]

I watch the video with my morning coffee. Highly entertaining. Was there a winner? Yes. I think both. CNN/Morgan got their/his message across and so did Jones. Morgan wanted Jones to come in, guns blazing and he got exactly what he wanted, a loose cannon. Jones wanted to further the agenda by bring other issues to light on MSM. He did.

Now, we have some varying opinions on this "interview" here on Avalon, but lets take a look at the MSN/CNN audience. What does the average person watching that think? That's what matters the most, in my opinion. Bringing issues to the masses was an agenda for both of them. We can call it a win, loss or draw, but I will go with a win.

[Fred Steeves]

And here it starts, guess who mister shill himself Glenn Beck is beginning his show by ridiculing and debunking. Well guess what, after last night he has plenty of ammunition to do so. In one fell swoop, Alex has thoroughly discredited himself, and the entire truth movement.

Way to go Alex.

[Hamish]

Hello

Mr Jones gave CNN what they wanted. They wanted one of America's biggest consipracy activists come on the show and act like a nut job.

Yes Mr Jones is widlly known in many circles and small amount of people will understand Mr Jones and his personality and think his interview was ok.

The billions of people still sleeping and any of them watching this will likely see a nut job and dimiss him.

Mr Jones could have put his point accross with passion without acting like he was on fire.

I for one cannot believe his interview was a sucess.

[BrianEn]

I watched that that last night. I had many thoughts but in the end there was no way they were going to let Alex outta there unscathed. Alex had a lot to say, but Morgan just wanted one simple answer that Alex wouldn't give.

Tough night for Alex though. I really felt bad for him but it takes a lot of moxy to do what he did by going on that show by himself without any nets. Question is would Morgan go on Alex's show totally like Alex did his show. No net. All in all that Morgan's show where he can get his message through by bringing on a lawyer and destroying when he wasn't there to defend himself. So kudos to Alex for putting himself out there like David Icke. That takes a set of kahones.

[SilentFeathers]

And here it starts, guess who mister shill himself Glenn Beck is beginning his show by ridiculing and debunking. Well guess what, after last night he has plenty of ammunition to do so. In one fell swoop, Alex has thoroughly discredited himself, and the entire truth movement.

Way to go Alex.

I personally think Alex made a mistake going on CNN with Peirs Morgan, he didn't pick his fight wisely IMO....

Anyone familiar with Jones knows he's an in your face and loud type of dude.....Piers made Alex look stupid with the 35 murders in Britain and a couple other stats (number props), but Alex also controlled the interview in a rude way.....as others state, this was a win win lose lose situation and Piers got to mop up Alex with his next guest.........I'd say Piers came` out on top with the remainder of his show.

Alex picked the wrong network and show to try to get his message out.....CNN and other "propaganda experts" will use Alex, chew him up and spit him out now. Yikes!

ADDED: Alex (IMO) came across as a potentially "violent", "radical" and "aggressive" GUN OWNER...exactly what the left and controlled propaganda machine known as CNN wanted......

[BrianEn]

And here it starts, guess who mister shill himself Glenn Beck is beginning his show by ridiculing and debunking. Well guess what, after last night he has plenty of ammunition to do so. In one fell swoop, Alex has thoroughly discredited himself, and the entire truth movement.

Way to go Alex.

I personally think Alex made a mistake going on CNN with Peirs Morgan, he didn't pick his fight wisely IMO....

Anyone familiar with Jones knows he's an in your face and loud type of dude.....Piers made Alex look stupid with the 35 murders in Britain and a couple other stats (number props), but Alex also controlled the interview in a rude way.....as others state, this was a win win lose lose situation and Piers got to mop up Alex with his next guest.........I'd say Piers came` out on top with the remainder of his show.

Alex picked the wrong network and show to try to get his message out.....CNN and other "propaganda experts" will use Alex, chew him up and spit him out now. Yikes!


I can agree with that. They ended up using the greatest weapon to use against him. Himself, Alex can be his worst own enemy just like I"m my own worst enemy.

[Ouroboros]

I have just watched the interview Piers O'meara had with Jesse Ventura back in September

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y40We-O7qAc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

What a contrast between the two interviews. In his September interview Jesse manages to calmly put across his point of view in a measured and controlled manner making some excellent points that may not have been on your average Americans radar.

As a counter CNN have brought in AJ in a calculated move knowing fine well he will redress the balance and discredit the truth movement. AJ played a blinder for them.

[SilentFeathers]

This somewhat explains the "damage" Jones did to himself.....and possibly others. Uninformed people will hear and believe what CNN and other news outlets like this one below says....

This is what I meant in my last post about Piers "mopping" up Alex with his next guest!

This whole ordeal was for the left to state their claim about the need for "gun control", and in my opinion it worked out quite well for them...


Piers Morgan produced what was perhaps one of the most compelling pieces of television in a while when he brought Alex Jones, the creator of a White House petition to get Morgan deported, on his CNN show. The intense two-part interview got increasingly heated . In the segment immediately succeeding the Jones interview, featuring lawyer Alan Dershowitz, Morgan reacted to the interview, describing Jones as “rambling” and “unhinged.”

Morgan told Dershowitz right at the outset that people like Jones are precisely why he’s “so concerned about the lack of gun control.” He described Jones as “pathological” and “unhinged,” and noted the irony of how rude Jones appeared to him, when Morgan is normally accused of being rude to and interrupting his guests by critics. He said he tried to stay calm all throughout the interview and Jones’ “ranting.”

Dershowitz described Jones as an “exhibit” of someone who a reasonable person could look at and say they don’t want that particular individual to have a gun. He told Morgan that he would feel uncomfortable having an argument with Jones in his home, considering his temper and the fact he has 50 guns at his disposal.

Morgan expressed concern with Jones’ particular influence, with millions of people listening to his “nonsense.” Dershowitz dismissed Jones as a crazed conspiracy theorist, and credited Morgan for exposing his ramblings to a general audience.

After playing a clip of the interview, Morgan said Jones isn’t interested in the “nuances” of the debate, he just wants to make his point without hearing any evidence to the contrary.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/piers-morgan-follows-up-with-alan-dershowitz-deport-piers-petition-creator-rambling-and-unhinged/

ADDED: Alex screwed up BIGTIME

I may be over-reacting, but, this could be the beginning of the end for Alex Jones and his infowar business that he created......

[SKAWF]

I have just watched the interview Piers O'meara had with Jesse Ventura back in September

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y40We-O7qAc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

What a contrast between the two interviews. In his September interview Jesse manages to calmly put across his point of view in a measured and controlled manner making some excellent points that may not have been on your average Americans radar.

As a counter CNN have brought in AJ in a calculated move knowing fine well he will redress the balance and discredit the truth movement. AJ played a blinder for them.

i agree. in the second interview ventura got the measure of morgan

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but when they first met.....

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maybe alex didnt do enough research or something....

that said, after watching the jones morgan vid yet again....
there are a couple of painful to watch parts.....
and a few soundbyte clips that will ruin jones.....
but its probably gone viral!

if your goal is to get word out to people
even bad publicity is good

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

David Icke would of nailed Piers.. but thats because he's had experience with the likes of Piers and Icke would of certainly not made himself look like the cookie monster with a message.

[jaybee]

In one fell swoop, Alex has thoroughly discredited himself, and the entire truth movement.


Perhaps this was exactly what he intended to do...?

discredit the entire 'truth movement'

Lead them down the garden path (over a period of time)...then mug them.

As I dislike and distrust Alex Jones..I'm quite enjoying his fall from grace..

;)


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[gripreaper]

So the charade continues. The mainstream media needs to paint conspiracy nuts, preppers, alternative info junkies, and extremists with the same brush, in order to make their case that we are all crazy and therefore the gun legislation is definitely needed. The liberals and scared sheeple are lapping it up like little puppy dogs. Watch, the next thing they'll do is find some white supremacist prepper in a cabin out in Montana with a thousand guns and false flag and patsy him to create more fear.

They're damn good at what they do, and they know the psyche better than we do ourselves. I just can't get a real good read on whether the collective is ready to wake up and this is gonna backfire on them. Jones is right about one thing, most of middle America is not going to hand in their guns.

So, therefore the country is divided at a time when we need to be united more than ever? Looks like their oldest trick in the book may be working like a charm.

[Fred Steeves]

I'm going to listen to his show today, for a little while anyway, one more time. If he starts out with the same paranoid and self justification crap he displays on this after show video that Referee posted, then I'm done with the whole Infowars deal. I'll just get more of my information from here.

v0sE9hAXXB4

If last night was truly just Alex being Alex, and not something more insidious, then he would do well personally, and for the sake of his family, to take a nice long hiatus, and do some deep introspection. If he doesn't take the old philosopher's advice of "know thyself" very seriously, and very soon, then he's heading for some real troubled waters.

I'll wish him well in his travels if he keeps this up, but I won't continue being a part of feeding that disturbed energy. Very sad to watch...

[SilentFeathers]

So the charade continues. The mainstream media needs to paint conspiracy nuts, preppers, alternative info junkies, and extremists with the same brush, in order to make their case that we are all crazy and therefore the gun legislation is definitely needed. The liberals and scared sheeple are lapping it up like little puppy dogs. Watch, the next thing they'll do is find some white supremacist prepper in a cabin out in Montana with a thousand guns and false flag and patsy him to create more fear.

They're damn good at what they do, and they know the psyche better than we do ourselves. I just can't get a real good read on whether the collective is ready to wake up and this is gonna backfire on them. Jones is right about one thing, most of middle America is not going to hand in their guns.

So, therefore the country is divided at a time when we need to be united more than ever? Looks like their oldest trick in the book may be working like a charm.

TPTB are great "fiddle" players....guess who are the "fiddles" :)

I'm seeing headlines about this all over MSM that are not, well, "good".....anti-gun people up high are in love with Alex Jones right now!


Some MSM headlines;


Man behind ‘Deport Piers Morgan’ petition has meltdown on Morgan’s show

Alex Jones' uncontrolled explosion on Piers Morgan

Conspiracy nut Alex Jones goes bananas on Piers Morgan's show ...

Pro-Gun Advocate Alex Jones Goes Completely Berserk On Piers

Alex Jones brings the crazy to Piers Morgan show

Alex Jones Goes Crazy On Piers Morgan

Gun advocate Alex Jones, of petition to deport Piers Morgan, freaks

Alex Jones Flips Out on Piers Morgan During Interview, Promises 1776 Redux

There are many more!!!!

[DeDukshyn]

I'm going to listen to his show today, for a little while anyway, one more time. If he starts out with the same paranoid and self justification crap he displays on this after show video that Referee posted, then I'm done with the whole Infowars deal. I'll just get more of my information from here.

v0sE9hAXXB4

If last night was truly just Alex being Alex, and not something more insidious, then he would do well personally, and for the sake of his family, to take a nice long hiatus, and do some deep introspection. If he doesn't take the old philosopher's advice of "know thyself" very seriously, and very soon, then he's heading for some real troubled waters.

I'll wish him well in his travels if he keeps this up, but I won't continue being a part of feeding that disturbed energy. Very sad to watch...

Yup I saw him on "The View" a couple years ago -- he was exactly the same on that show and they had to kick him off. All he did was try to yell as many things as he could in a short amount a time as possible. I think this is just who he is.

Too bad because, armed with the same stats Alex had for that debate, it could have easily made a better point and even won the debate. Piers was counting on Alex to repeat his "View" performance, so he could carry on the rest of his show in the tone that he did. I don't know how Alex could have fallen for that .... makes me wonder.

Also notice that Piers, for the show, had changed his stance to only wanting one type of rifle and one type of magazine banned. That's not his real position at all.

Gotta keep that TV off ... lol! ;)

[modwiz]

I think we are going to see Alex emerge as something less than wholesome. His tepid treatment of the Sandy Hook incident was evidence for me. His recent wearing of a suit was another. The suit has been besmirched by the critters who wear them as a sign of respectability. When a man who has never worn one puts one on, it raises suspicion with me. His (convenient?) meltdown would also serve the suit wearers well. Actually, it has. Whose side in he on now?

Truth will out.

[East Sun]

Eric Jones was being himself. That's his way of not being trapped by a smoothie well prepared with "trick" questions. It would be hard to for anyone to answer a question like, "Who was responsible for 9/11?" You can't just name a person or a group of people when so many were involved.

One to have a debate would be to make it live but written questions and answers with a limit on the number of sentences used while taking turns. With AJ there would need to be rules.

I'm not familiar with Morgan/O'meara. Is O'meara his real/original name?

p.s. Stop all the violence on TV and Video games and movies that is part of the problem and used be the manipulators. What do people expect when children and adults are bombarded with violent crap daily.

It's hard to name a winner in a situation like that. Both won some and lost some.

[SilentFeathers]

This really says it all....

Piers Morgan's comments about the interview.


"He was the best advertisement for gun control you could wish for," Morgan told POLITICO.

"That kind of vitriol, hatred, and zealotry is really quite scary. I didn't feel threatened by him, but I'm concerned that someone like him has that level of influence," Morgan said.

"Sometimes it's better to let somebody have the rope they need to tie themselves in knots," Morgan told POLITICO

"He said last night that his show now airs in 140 networks, he has a huge online presence -- every day his message gets sent out to millions of Americans," Morgan said. "Through vitriol and rhetoric he is able to spur heavy gun sales and ammunition sales. He works off of fear."

"He is clearly a smart guy under the craziness," Morgan said. "Look, you could tell from the way he ranted that he's not a stupid man. But that makes him more dangerous. There will be lots of people who follow him avidly who are not so intelligent, who believe everything he says."

"After every shooting, America goes back to normal. The media come off the story, nothing gets done, the pressure on politicians dissipates," he said. "But you and I both know there's going to be another shooting in months, or even weeks. My intent is simply to keep this issue boiling along until the politicians act on it."

"I think America is getting diluted to the horror of these things: it's become too casual, too widespread, too indiscriminate, and incredibly dangerous," he said. "Something has to be done."

Source: http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/01/exclusive-piers-morgan-discusses-alex-jones-153617.html

ADDED:

I find this remark especially interesting as Piers speaks of Alex in future tense;


"He is clearly a smart guy under the craziness," Morgan said. "Look, you could tell from the way he ranted that he's not a stupid man. But that makes him more dangerous. There will be lots of people who follow him avidly who are not so intelligent, who believe everything he says."

[Ouroboros]

Piers Morgan was christened Piers Stefan O'meara and is of Irish heritage. Perhaps Avalonians with more time on their hands could look into his links with the Tavistock Intitute and maybe the Knights of Malta?

[Fred Steeves]

I find this remark especially interesting as Piers speaks of Alex in future tense;


"He is clearly a smart guy under the craziness," Morgan said. "Look, you could tell from the way he ranted that he's not a stupid man. But that makes him more dangerous. There will be lots of people who follow him avidly who are not so intelligent, who believe everything he says."

Interesting, I saw Mike Bloomberg do the same thing this morning on MSNBC talking about guns. I didn't believe it was just a slip at the time, and now wonder even more about it. It was something to the effect of: "Irrational people, we're not worried about them, we've already locked up the irrational people".

I turned to my wife and wondered: "They've already locked up the 'irrational' people? When did this happen, and who/what was considered irrational?" This is very possibly those little subtle hints we get of future plans, and very likely why mental health is talked about as equally as the guns.

Alex Jones is now the nation's poster boy for the definition of irrational. Therefore, anyone who knows the things he knows, and won't give their guns up to boot, will naturally be considered irrational. Another term for this condition would be mentally ill.

You with me?

[SilentFeathers]

I find this remark especially interesting as Piers speaks of Alex in future tense;


"He is clearly a smart guy under the craziness," Morgan said. "Look, you could tell from the way he ranted that he's not a stupid man. But that makes him more dangerous. There will be lots of people who follow him avidly who are not so intelligent, who believe everything he says."

Interesting, I saw Mike Bloomberg do the same thing this morning on MSNBC talking about guns. I didn't believe it was just a slip at the time, and now wonder even more about. It was something to the effect of: "Irrational people, we're not not worried about them, we've already locked up the irrational people".

I turned to my wife and wondered: "They've already locked up the 'irrational' people? When did this happen, and who/what was considered irrational?" This is very possibly those little subtle hints we get of future plans, and very likely why mental health is talked about as equally as the guns.

Alex Jones is now the nation's poster boy for the definition of irrational. Therefore, anyone who knows the things he knows, and won't give their guns up to boot, will naturally be considered irrational. Another term for this condition would be mentally ill.

You with me?

I hear ya Fred, Alex participated in his own demise/downfall.....I'm listening to him now and he actually said earlier that he is ready for them to come after him......huh??????

This week Biden and his anti-gun goons are doing "many things".......it's on bigtime Fred!


Vice President Biden will meet this week with the National Rifle Association and a variety of other groups as his task force on guns intensifies its efforts.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/276077-biden-holding-meetings-with-gun-groups-

Piers also said something else to Political I find a bit disturbing.....


"After every shooting, America goes back to normal. The media come off the story, nothing gets done, the pressure on politicians dissipates," he said. "But you and I both know there's going to be another shooting in months, or even weeks. My intent is simply to keep this issue boiling along until the politicians act on it."

[Youniverse]

I watched the well, er, um interview last night. If your agenda is to keep your guns(in America), Alex Jones didn't help you one bit. He was an embarrassment to himself and to America. Whatever conspiracies you believe, that is your prerogative. I say, produce the evidence or proof. At any rate, there were two people in the room, one was calm, controlled, and respectful. Theother was loud, obnoxious, disrespectful, and a complete jerk to be honest. I'll let you guys decide which one was which. Whatever your agenda, if you want to get your point across in the most effective way, you must maitain control of yourself(i.e. emotions, manners, respect, etc.) and present your argument logically and articulately. Just shouting at someone without letting them respond gets you nowhere, in fact it takes you backwards.

[Youniverse]

I find this remark especially interesting as Piers speaks of Alex in future tense;


"He is clearly a smart guy under the craziness," Morgan said. "Look, you could tell from the way he ranted that he's not a stupid man. But that makes him more dangerous. There will be lots of people who follow him avidly who are not so intelligent, who believe everything he says."

Interesting, I saw Mike Bloomberg do the same thing this morning on MSNBC talking about guns. I didn't believe it was just a slip at the time, and now wonder even more about. It was something to the effect of: "Irrational people, we're not not worried about them, we've already locked up the irrational people".

I turned to my wife and wondered: "They've already locked up the 'irrational' people? When did this happen, and who/what was considered irrational?" This is very possibly those little subtle hints we get of future plans, and very likely why mental health is talked about as equally as the guns.

Alex Jones is now the nation's poster boy for the definition of irrational. Therefore, anyone who knows the things he knows, and won't give their guns up to boot, will naturally be considered irrational. Another term for this condition would be mentally ill.

You with me?

I hear ya Fred, Alex participated in his own demise/downfall.....I'm listening to him now and he actually said earlier that he is ready for them to come after him......huh??????

This week Biden and his anti-gun goons are doing "many things".......it's on bigtime Fred!


Vice President Biden will meet this week with the National Rifle Association and a variety of other groups as his task force on guns intensifies its efforts.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/276077-biden-holding-meetings-with-gun-groups-

Piers also said something else to Political I find a bit disturbing.....


"After every shooting, America goes back to normal. The media come off the story, nothing gets done, the pressure on politicians dissipates," he said. "But you and I both know there's going to be another shooting in months, or even weeks. My intent is simply to keep this issue boiling along until the politicians act on it."

Ya all he meant by that was, given recent history in the U.S./patterns/proliferations of firearms/attitudes towards guns and violence in the U.S., you can rest assured there will be another shooting in the next few months. Any other interpretation is a huge stretch in my opinion.

[MistahMojoRisin]

WOW!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyKofFih8Y&feature=player_embedded
Personally I watched this debate and feel Alex Jones looked like a crazy man, he was disrespectful and avoident of fair give and take questions.
While I may agree with some of what Alex Jones says, his behavior (while passionate) pushes people away rather then halps people concider his beliefs. He actually was threatening Peirs with violence without him deserving it in the debate. Wow, i agree with Alex a lot but he totally turned me off in this. Not the kind of behavior that I want to support.

[SilentFeathers]

"They'll" go after Matt Drudge next too.....connecting him to "Alex Jones" (The nut case conspiracy theorists).

[MorningFox]

I'm of the opinion that he is a pawn. He has been put there to spread certain information and defend certain beliefs, which very well may have merit, but coming from his mouth sound like they don't. Im not sure where I stand on the gun debate but as someone who wholeheartedly believes 911 was an inside job, listening to that arsehole talk about it almost makes even myself second guess it, simply because he sounds like a raving loon. He acts like a complete moron and if he truly is an independently acting man then he is doing himself and his cause no favours at all by carrying himself in such a manner.

[Referee]

I am sorry many of you feel that Alex was just to crazy and irrational. I do not think this is the case at all in rural America Alex represents the feelings of real Americans. Americans are tired of the media treating us in this way. When is the last time you saw anyone stand up to the media with so much passion. Shock value yes. His behavior was not Politically Correct however, the time for Political Correctness may be ending!

[Ouroboros]

Look at the division it has caused just in this thread. Classic psyops from the Tavistock Institute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml3IM0esWXM&feature=youtube_gdata_player




I am sorry many of you feel that Alex was just to crazy and irrational. I do not think this is the case at all in rural America Alex represents the feelings of real Americans. Americans are tired of the media treating us in this way. When is the last time you saw anyone stand up to the media with so much passion. Shock value yes. His behavior was not Politically Correct however, the time for Political Correctness may be ending!

[Referee]

This just about sums up my fellings on all of this!

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[161803398]

Too bad William Cooper was murdered.

[mahalall]

Good Grief, what a vulgar man that Mr Jones is!.

We English don't need guns, oh no, that is freightfully common.

Instead we out source such a violent problem.

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/en/Pages/deathscustodystudy.aspx

[Cidersomerset]

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I don't know what to say about that ...LOL..I have watched alot of Alex's reports so am, aware he gets very
excited and passionate most evenings on his shows, and he made some very valid points about the 2nd
ammendment being more to protect against federal government than hunting etc...I am not offended
by his mimicking of Piers posh accent and the fact Alex did not want to be reinvaded by the redcoats.LOL

I think Bob Nevritt said the Queen still owns the commonwealth of Viginia the other night .LOL.
Unfortunately the interview turned into a farce and I don't think Alex will be back in a hurry !
Unless CNN's ratings went up !!...Piers Morgan should deffinately keep his nose out of a domestic issue imo !

[Hip Hipnotist]

Post withdrawn -- for now. ;-)

[sigma6]

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Deserves to be posted as many times as possible
Brilliant, the only thing Alex got wrong was not playing to Pier's 'pretension' of acting reasonable. I love how he nailed him, laid out the statistics, and dragged in the drug issue as being a major factor. (and Piers tried to spin it all around after with the attorney - what a scummy move that was...)

You could see that Piers was shaken, so it wasn't a bad strategy, but when he realized that he had total control over Piers he could have pulled back a bit and exercised even more control.

Now Piers is playing the 'victim' card... "oh it just poor innocent little me..." "oh poor little reasonable me..."

and bringing in Dershowitz what a COP OUT... Piers is clearly a front for the zionist controlled agenda...

[Mu2143]

This is interesting ,this would have caused a shift in consciousness.

[sigma6]

This says it all and follows my mantra, that people have to start asking what is the difference between a statutory law and a real law???

"statutory" law = oxy moron, it is nothing more then a corporate policy, something that McDonalds can create with all their employees.

Real laws are non-statutory. Constitutional laws are a classic example.

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[Zelig]

It doesn't really matter how Alex Jones' performance is rated by Avalon members. I'm hoping that among the ordinary folks watching, some were rattled out of their trance and prompted to think outside of the programming. Yes, he was over the top and gave the naysayers exactly the show they wanted but the audience that really matters are the fence-sitters. I'd like to see some Google stats for search terms used immediately after the show. I cringed through viewing it but realize that he did manage to blurt out a lot of salient points that are rarely if ever heard by most people.

[sigma6]

Good Grief, what a vulgar man that Mr Jones is!.
We English don't need guns, oh no, that is freightfully common.
Instead we out source such a violent problem.
http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/en/Pages/deathscustodystudy.aspx

It was funny (so to speak) how Piers was trying to focus on Britain's supposed 35 gun murders, Alex could have focused way more on the issue of NON gun VIOLENT murders better then he did (which Britain black government and criminals alike probably specialize in with great effect no doubt)

And yet Piers brought up the issue himself when talking to the Sheriff without the Sheriff even bringing up the issue himself... you could tell he was still clearly numbing "personally" from Alex's comment, even though I don't think Alex banged hard enough on that point...

British NON gun Violent crime is UP. So how misleading is that?

[SilentFeathers]

Regardless of what most think about Alex Jones, like him or not, most of us can agree that he would not be our first choice for a spokesperson or leader.....

The issue really is that TPTB are about to disarm America, plain and simple...."they" are not hiding this from us! They ARE CLEARLY stating the are changing or abolishing the 2nd amendment, and they at the same time are SHOWING us that those who exercise their 1st amendment rights in a way (in ANY WAY) that goes against the establishment will basically be labeled unfit or "crazy"......

Wake up people, the hammer is coming down ever so faster now than before....

[Fred Steeves]

Wake up people, the hammer is coming down ever so faster now than before....

The hammer also signifies "their" greatest weakness in disguise. Proper perception means everything now.

[Dorjezigzag]

Another thread too much emphasis on style not enough on substance

Alex is loud, thats him, should he change just to sell to the CNN audience.

He did the authentic Alex jones passionate rant thing that he does

Piers who any Englishman ( with at least some independent thought) knows is a pompous artificial contrived pr**k.

He is never usually that calm, it was as ever the act of a salesman.

I enjoyed the interview it was hilarious, Alex got so many points across, Piers a few that he just kept on repeating, I think Alex may have done a better job at reaching genuine Americans than many are giving him credit.

For me Alex was not scary he was passionate and Piers was not calm he was cold and calculating

[jagman]

My computer was attacked today while on InfoWars.This is the second time it happened.I wonder if this is the government?

[Youniverse]

Jmdg9_IUl5k

Deserves to be posted as many times as possible
Brilliant, the only thing Alex got wrong was not playing to Pier's 'pretension' of acting reasonable. I love how he nailed him, laid out the statistics, and dragged in the drug issue as being a major factor. (and Piers tried to spin it all around after with the attorney - what a scummy move that was...)

You could see that Piers was shaken, so it wasn't a bad strategy, but when he realized that he had total control over Piers he could have pulled back a bit and exercised even more control.

Now Piers is playing the 'victim' card... "oh it just poor innocent little me..." "oh poor little reasonable me..."

and bringing in Dershowitz what a COP OUT... Piers is clearly a front for the zionist controlled agenda...

Jones didn't have control over himself let alone Piers my friend.

[Youniverse]

I wonder what some of you thought about Mr.Kennedy's comment on the 2nd Amendment. He said Thomas Jefferson said it should be up for review every 20 years to see if it is still relevant or should be removed. That is for those folks that watched past Alex Jones.

[Sirius White]

I wouldn't mind it being under review, if we weren't under a regime of psychopahs and inhuman intelligences who view us no different than a shepherd does a farm.

Global government isn't evil, and neither is control of guns. It is though, when you have evil people who are vying for both.

[gripreaper]

"They don't want to BELIEVE that their government could engage in the type of tyranny of a 9-11"

Well too bad Americans.

The official story has been torn to shreds and exposed for the abject bald faced lie that it is. Why is it that America has such cognitive dissonance when it comes to tyrannical government? Is history always put in the dustbin after 50 years? What happened all over Europe in the mid 19th century? Have we all forgotten? Do we really not give a crap?

I've tried to say this in the best way I possibly can, in other threads over the last two years, but I'll say it here again:

1. There is no representative government AT ALL!!! The UNITED STATES is a corporation. The corporation, through it's agents the Federal Reserve and the Internal Revenue Service and the Depository Trust Corporation, serves as the receivers for the bankruptcy of this country.

2. All assets, land, and the labor of all the people of this country (and all countries) have been pledged in perpetuity to the creditors of this bankruptcy, which are the same elite families who ran Rome and to this day, STILL hold ALL of the legal titles to ALL OF the planets resources.

3. Everything is commerce. ALL capital which enters commerce enters as debt, and the servicing of this debt ALL flows upstream to this cabal. The fiat debt system can only function as long as more debt is heaped onto more debt exponentially. The more debt, the more slavery for the masses. Turn off the debt spigot, and ALL OF US fall into bankruptcy in our own personal finances.

4. These global elite have NO SUCH notions as "nationalism" or country or freedom or liberty or sovereignty or representative government, or any such empathic notions which we have. They are psychopathic imperialistic murderous ritualistic narcissistic evil inhuman creatures. They are NOT like us. THEY ARE NOT HUMAN.

5. ALL OF the technologies of freedom and abundance have been sequestered away and hidden, and we are left on the slave grids of oil and electricity. The REAL power to run commerce and to provide abundance has been stolen from us, and the scarcity slavery paradigm is where we actually live day to day.

6. Most people accept their slavery as "just the way things are" and will ridicule you and laugh at you and call you a conspiracy nut if you try to bring their attention to the truth.

7. WE ARE, as a world and as a people on this planet, inches away for a total totalitarian fascist dictatorship IF these elite finish their agenda, which has been in place for EONS, AT LEAST since the time of Atlantis and the destruction of their technology in the last rebellion we humans had with them.

We are standing on the very same precipice, the same place we were then, the same challenge to stand against tyranny and total slavery, the same consequences. WE have this experience imbedded in our DNA, which they regularly use against us to tickle the "fear" of this cataclysm in our DNA. They know the human psyche BETTER than we ourselves do, and they play us like a fiddle every day and most of us go along with it!

Not here at Avalon. WE speak the truth. WE uncover the lies. WE KNOW that we are sovereign souls, that we can wake up the energetic centers of the higher mind, and open up to the Siddhis abilities of clairaudience, clairesentience, clairvoyance. We KNOW we can astral travel, remote view, bi-locate, and SEE in the minds eye without the confines of time and space. WE KNOW we must enliven the pineal gland, to STOP eating their crap food and drinking their fluoridated water.

WE KNOW we must go out and reach our fellow man and speak our truth, regardless of the ridicule. This is the hallmark of the new age, if anything has survived the new age movement unscathed, whether the movement was a psy-op or not.

Yes, the second amendment was put in place to protect us against the inhuman psychopathic narcissists who have hijacked this planet. They are not going to go quietly if we sit around and hold hands and sing "KumBaYa" or offer them amnesty to be good boys from now on and please don't rape, pillage and murder anymore. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

No ET's, none of Fulford's ninja's, No white dragons, no global settlements, no Nesara, no Drake, no minuteman militia is going to get us out of this mess. WE empathic humans need to recognize evil, look it square in the face, call it out from the shadows into the light of day, and REMOVE it from our planet. PERIOD!

There, that's my rant for today.

[bram]

After watching this I was left wondering what Alex was trying to acheive in this interview. Was he a) trying to get the message across and sow the seeds of doubt in a number of previously unawakened people, or was he b) showboating for his loyal followers by ranting non-stop from beginning to end.

If it was a) then I think he did a shockingly bad job and set the movement back by decades. He even got asked about 911 and fluffed it completely. All he had to do was calmly point out a few blatant contradictions to sow the seeds of awareness and get some of the sheeple thinking. He played right into the hands of the infinitely appalling host.

If on the other hand it was b) then he did okay. He preached to the converted. Apart from when he started trying to do the british accent. I seriously thought he was having a stroke.

I give him 1/10 (for effort). If all he wanted to do was show off to his supporters, he missed a great opportunity to spread the word.

[T Smith]

I wonder what some of you thought about Mr.Kennedy's comment on the 2nd Amendment. He said Thomas Jefferson said it should be up for review every 20 years to see if it is still relevant or should be removed. That is for those folks that watched past Alex Jones.

I believe this is a huge stretch. As far as I know, Jefferson said no such thing specifically about the 2nd Amendment. What he did say was the tree of liberty need be refreshed from time to time, and God forbid we go 20 years without a rebellion...

I'm sorry.. extinguishing rights doesn't count as a rebellion. Kennedy is way off in his understanding of what Jefferson said.

[Referee]

This could be the start of some rough times!

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[Mozart]

So who won the Alex Jones / Piers Morgan gun control debate?


From what I've seen, it may be that Alex Jones may have harmed the chances of gun owners to stem the tide of anti-gun sentiment in America. Jeez.


Here's a sampling from some around the Internet:


http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/01/robert-farago/breaking-alex-jones-of-infowars-makes-american-gun-owners-look-really-really-bad/#comment-588377


This just in: “Frankly, RF, this looks *really* bad for all gun owners. You and I are both libertarians and share like-minded politics, and we may even agree with Alex Jones from time to time. But the rant Alex Jones went on during this ‘debate’ will be used by the antis to discredit us for a long time coming. I can’t help but feel sick. This sets our movement back so far. I can picture the left using Alex Jones’ soundbytes from Piers Morgan for a very long time. I only hope . . .


http://rense.com/general95/peirs.html


As Morgan tried to interject with questions, Jones continued with his browbeating delivery, declaring that Morgan would not deter him with "little factoids". Morgan had been attempting to discuss the types of firearms used in major US massacres and the relative rates of gun killings between America and other countries.

Morgan has enraged the extreme end of the US gun lobby by calling for a ban on high-powered assault rifles and large ammunition magazines. On the day of theNewtown school shootings in the US the host angrily confronted members of the pro-gun movement on his nightly show, denouncing as "total hogwash" their argument that more guns mean less crime.


http://www.mediaite.com/online/piers-morgan-calls-undignified-alex-jones-the-best-advertisement-for-gun-control/


Last night, Piers Morgan went head-to-head with Alex Jones, the man who created the petition to deport him from the United States. The climax of the fiery debate came when Jones shouted at Morgan that “1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms!”

Piers Morgan spoke to POLITICO this morning about the highly charged interview, saying that Jones “was the best advertisement for gun control you could wish for.” He went on to say, “that kind of vitriol, hatred, and zealotry is really quite scary. I didn’t feel threatened by him, but I’m concerned that someone like him has that level of influence. There’s got to be a level of discourse that can rise above what happened last night. It was undignified, unedifying.”


A friend of mine whose opinions I trust said this:


Good video, lays out my feelings on it pretty good. He could have easily exposed Piers with tons of facts. But instead, he came across as a raving lunatic.



http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/01/exclusive-piers-morgan-discusses-alex-jones-153617.html


CNN host Piers Morgan just called to discuss his interview last night with Alex Jones, the conservative radio host and gun advocate who went on a tirade against Morgan, gun control legislation, and a litany of government conspiracies.

"He was the best advertisement for gun control you could wish for," Morgan told POLITICO.

[Taurean]

After watching this I was left wondering what Alex was trying to acheive in this interview. Was he a) trying to get the message across and sow the seeds of doubt in a number of previously unawakened people, or was he b) showboating for his loyal followers by ranting non-stop from beginning to end.

If it was a) then I think he did a shockingly bad job and set the movement back by decades. He even got asked about 911 and fluffed it completely. All he had to do was calmly point out a few blatant contradictions to sow the seeds of awareness and get some of the sheeple thinking. He played right into the hands of the infinitely appalling host.

If on the other hand it was b) then he did okay. He preached to the converted. Apart from when he started trying to do the british accent. I seriously thought he was having a stroke.

I give him 1/10 (for effort). If all he wanted to do was show off to his supporters, he missed a great opportunity to spread the word.

This is what happens when you put a used car salesman up against a Rolls Royce dealer, they both have the same objective it's just that one is just a little more articulate.

You can quote statistics forever, that is what they are for, and of course are easily corrupted, misquoted or manipulated.

The real issue is dealing with the Cause of problems.

Nevertheless AJ did manage to plug his Infowars.com where a more considered appraisal could be taken.

One statistic in the UK that nobody wants to deal with is 30,000 children going missing every year, yet less than a handful ever hit the MSN.

[161803398]

Alex could have had a lot more fun with Piers:

http://www.citizensreportuk.org/news/2012/06/11/london-gun-crime-offences-2006-2011/ London Gun Crime Offences 2006-2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London#Gun_and_knife_crime Gun and Knife Crime in London 1999 to 2009

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1440764.stm BBC says handgun Crime Up after the ban

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-crime-gangs-turning-to-stun-guns-bought-on-internet-for-as-little-as-60-8440640.html Tasers

[T]here is no consistent significant positive association between
gun ownership levels and violence rates: across (1)
time within the United States, (2) U.S. cities, (3) counties
within Illinois, (4) country‐sized areas like England, U.S.
states, (5) regions of the United States, (6) nations, or (7)
population subgroups . . . .12 http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

In 2004,
the U.S. National Academy of Sciences released its evaluation
from a review of 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government
publications, and some original empirical research. It failed to
identify any gun control that had reduced violent crime, suicide,
or gun accidents.15 The same conclusion was reached in
2003 by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control’s review of then extant
studies.16

In the late 1990s, England moved from stringent controls to a
complete ban of all handguns and many types of long guns.
Hundreds of thousands of guns were confiscated from those
owners law‐abiding enough to turn them in to authorities.
Without suggesting this caused violence, the ban’s ineffectiveness
was such that by the year 2000 violent crime had so increased
that England and Wales had Europe’s highest violent
crime rate, far surpassing even the United States.19 Today, English
news media headline violence in terms redolent of the
doleful, melodramatic language that for so long characterized
American news reports.20

......despite constant and substantially increasing gun
ownership, the United States saw progressive and dramatic reductions
in criminal violence in the 1990s. On the other hand, the
same time period in the United Kingdom saw a constant and
dramatic increase in violent crime to which England’s response
was ever‐more drastic gun control including, eventually, banning
and confiscating all handguns and many types of long guns.22
Nevertheless, criminal violence rampantly increased so that by
2000 England surpassed the United States to become one of the
developed world’s most violence‐ridden nations.

[161803398]

Reality Check on the debate: http://www.fox19.com/story/20538164/piers-morgan-vs-alex-jones-and-gun-homicide-rates

[161803398]

Britain most violent country in the EU. More violent that South Africa and the US. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html#ixzz2HQDkC3re

[Snookie]

Oh yeah, Pierce Moron will make hay out of that interview for the next month or more, hoping to get his awfull ratings out of the toilet for some time to come.

From where I sat there was no reason for AJ to act like a lunatic. Did the opportunity go to his head and make him come across as a wing nut or was his behavior part of the plan ? I tend to think the latter, as he refused to answer several questions that were put to him.

[ExomatrixTV]

HYM-9ukKe9E

j-1F1hTliKA

[ExomatrixTV]

HYM-9ukKe9E

-quote- "I do not care WHAT the justification is" -unquote- = he does NOT care, WHY there is a 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution, he does NOT care if it can be proven that Governments hijacked by hard core criminals, he does NOT care about the Truth of the NWO Depopulation Agenda, he does not care about the history of Tyranny & Scientific Dictatorship. He does not care about WHY GOVERNMENT needs restrictions (check & balances aka accountability) As if GOV are run by "angels".

~Piers Morgans VOICE SAYING: "hahahaha, I'll borrow my brothers uniform"

... sick bastard!

~you have maybe 20+ different types of truthers, activists, anti-NWO people, resisters, rebels etc. but what most have in common is they know what will come next if we have no way of defending ourselves anymore.

cheers,
John

[161803398]

Just thought this headline was funny: Piers Morgan, Friend of Drone Assassin Obama, Calls Alex Jones “Scary”
and then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?Wcwjhk3V5ks

and: ‘Alex Jones’ Number 1 Twitter Trend After CNN Confrontation

I'm not an Alex Jones fan but he sure has attracted a lot of attention.

[161803398]

And Reality Check: http://www.fox19.com/story/20538164/piers-morgan-vs-alex-jones-and-gun-homicide-rates

[Hip Hipnotist]

As I stated on the 'other' Alex Jones/Piers Morgan thread:

"No one wins in a train wreck"... which is what that debate ( debacle ) was.

However, that said -- if/when the tanks come rolling down my ( once quiet ) neighborhood to take me away because I don't have any means of 'serious' resistance because I turned in my AK-47, ( just play along, will ya? ) and living next to me on one side is Piers Morgan, the other side, Alex Jones, and they both are offering myself and family a hideout ( I said play along, dang it! ) where do you think I'm going?

You guessed it -- I'm going over to Pier's pad and kicking the crap outta him BEFORE going over to A.J.'s for some BBQ ribs then a generous helping of automatic weapons' fire!

Actually, since I'm a vegan I'll pass on the BBQ but just might accept the generous helping of automatic weapons' fire.

Now that that's outta the way on to the next Alex Jones Vs. Piers Morgan debate ( debacle ) thread. ;-(

You commin'?

I'll supply the chow -- you supply the automatic weapons. ;-))

[joamarks]

a typical cockfight, which happens if you put 2 big ego show hosts in one live tv program


it's shows they are equal in power.
one in calmness, professionalism and patience,
the other in a dogfight with words.

i'll guess the majority of the spectators of this gladiator scene
will choose for the man with the civilized manors.

and so, this is good propaganda for the anti gun lobbies.

alex knows this, while he is raging.

that's why he gets so angry,
its a loose/ loose situation and he is fallen for it.

at the end, he tries to save this misstep.
to safe his ego he mentions the magnitude of his influence in alternative media by numbers.

the interesting thing is, though,
in my personal view,
it's not about quantity but quality.

the mainstream media is a cyclops monster.
you can not overcome it with power,
you need to outsmart it with cunning intelligence.

an experienced man as alex should know this!

[Akasha]

Eric Jon Phelps paints Jones as a Jesuit coadjutor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvQIOT2qaoI) and according to Phelps, the Black Pope wants a disarmed US population more than anyone. If this is true, it would certainly go some way to explaining Jones' self defeating performance against Morgan.

[161803398]

I really don't think this little debate is going to change people's opinions either way. It has no effect on my opinion. I knew that Alex Jones would get upset; he always does. But there is research on this issue that clearly states that banning guns does not reduce violence. On the basis of what happened in England it would seem to have increased the violence although that could possible be related to other things. Piers also was wrong and misleading in the statements that he made. So I don't think that either of them made any difference to anyone's opinion. I think if Piers had any credibility he would interview someone who was more knowledgeable and provide real statistics. It was amateur hour on both sides....although I did think that Alex made an excellent point about the women in India.

[jackovesk]

Published on Jan 9, 2013

On the Tuesday, January 8 edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex covers his appearance on CNN's Piers Morgan show last night and his effort to defend the Constitution and the Second Amendment from attack by the establishment media as the government prepares its latest gun-grabbing assault on law-abiding Americans. Alex talks about how CNN ejected him from the studio after one segment and how an "armed Mafia" tailed him during his New York visit. Alex talks about the overwhelming response to his appearance and the fact we have put the globalists on notice.

Alex Jones appeared on CNN's Piers Morgan Tonight last night to deliver a clear message: "You are not going to take our guns."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg&v=hYAF9qRE8s0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg&v=hYAF9qRE8s0
http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-to-piers-morgan-you-are-not-going-to-take-...

[Check it Out Today]
http://www.infowarsshop.com/-Infowars-Magazine_c_65.html

http://www.infowars.com/

PS - Piss Morgan just got 'Punked', well done Alex :director: :)

[ExomatrixTV]

Akasha (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?13691-Akasha) please study:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ericjonphelpsexposed1part24oct08.shtml

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ericjonphelpsexposed2part25oct08.shtml

http://www.conspiracyworld.com/phelps_zionist_promoter.htm (http://www.conspiracyworld.com/phelps_zionist_promoter.htm)

[Akasha]

Akasha (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?13691-Akasha) please study:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ericjonphelpsexposed1part24oct08.shtml

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ericjonphelpsexposed2part25oct08.shtml

http://www.conspiracyworld.com/phelps_zionist_promoter.htm (http://www.conspiracyworld.com/phelps_zionist_promoter.htm)


Well aware of all that thanks Exo. I think the truth is probably in the middle. The Holy Roman Empire certainly didn't just go away though and we'd be naive if we thought it had.

[jackovesk]

So who won the Alex Jones / Piers Morgan gun control debate?


From what I've seen, it may be that Alex Jones may have harmed the chances of gun owners to stem the tide of anti-gun sentiment in America. Jeez.


Here's a sampling from some around the Internet:


http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/01/robert-farago/breaking-alex-jones-of-infowars-makes-american-gun-owners-look-really-really-bad/#comment-588377


This just in: “Frankly, RF, this looks *really* bad for all gun owners. You and I are both libertarians and share like-minded politics, and we may even agree with Alex Jones from time to time. But the rant Alex Jones went on during this ‘debate’ will be used by the antis to discredit us for a long time coming. I can’t help but feel sick. This sets our movement back so far. I can picture the left using Alex Jones’ soundbytes from Piers Morgan for a very long time. I only hope . . .


http://rense.com/general95/peirs.html


As Morgan tried to interject with questions, Jones continued with his browbeating delivery, declaring that Morgan would not deter him with "little factoids". Morgan had been attempting to discuss the types of firearms used in major US massacres and the relative rates of gun killings between America and other countries.

Morgan has enraged the extreme end of the US gun lobby by calling for a ban on high-powered assault rifles and large ammunition magazines. On the day of theNewtown school shootings in the US the host angrily confronted members of the pro-gun movement on his nightly show, denouncing as "total hogwash" their argument that more guns mean less crime.


http://www.mediaite.com/online/piers-morgan-calls-undignified-alex-jones-the-best-advertisement-for-gun-control/


Last night, Piers Morgan went head-to-head with Alex Jones, the man who created the petition to deport him from the United States. The climax of the fiery debate came when Jones shouted at Morgan that “1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms!”

Piers Morgan spoke to POLITICO this morning about the highly charged interview, saying that Jones “was the best advertisement for gun control you could wish for.” He went on to say, “that kind of vitriol, hatred, and zealotry is really quite scary. I didn’t feel threatened by him, but I’m concerned that someone like him has that level of influence. There’s got to be a level of discourse that can rise above what happened last night. It was undignified, unedifying.”


A friend of mine whose opinions I trust said this:


Good video, lays out my feelings on it pretty good. He could have easily exposed Piers with tons of facts. But instead, he came across as a raving lunatic.



http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/01/exclusive-piers-morgan-discusses-alex-jones-153617.html


CNN host Piers Morgan just called to discuss his interview last night with Alex Jones, the conservative radio host and gun advocate who went on a tirade against Morgan, gun control legislation, and a litany of government conspiracies.

"He was the best advertisement for gun control you could wish for," Morgan told POLITICO.

RATFLMAO...:pound:


So who won the Alex Jones / Piers Morgan gun control debate?

What a 'STUPID QUESTION'...:no:

Then to start quoting the NWO's very spin machine 'Politico'...:faint:

What's the 'Truthseeking' community coming to...:no:

[jackovesk]

If this is true, it would certainly go some way to explaining Jones' self defeating performance against Morgan.

Being a little patriotic there Akasha..:)

Your welcome to have 'Piss Morgan' back...:pound:

I am amazed that very few seem to know why Alex carried on the way he did..?

If someone's got the time...


Count Up exactly how many 'Truths' Alex actually rolled-off on air (Live National TV) in his 14min interview with that mild-mannered..:cry: pompus 'British (NWO) Arsehole'..!

Now (Who Won The Debate)..?

I say the 'Truth' won the debate...Period..!

[SilentFeathers]

Alex was set up by the left and the CNN propaganda machine, but, at the same time, Alex knew that if he stopped speaking Piers would of totally spun the spin and tossed Alex around like a rag doll. Alex made his choice to go there and IMO had no other choice once the camera started rolling. He did get a bit carried away though :) (as he always does)

Regardless, it is what it is and anyone that isn't totally brain-dead or over-dosing on fluoride and mercury has a pretty good idea to the true agenda.....which is disarming America and enslaving/exterminating the people at the end of the day!

The deeper hidden meaning/message of this whole fiasco; "The Redcoats are coming!!!!!"

[SilentFeathers]

By the way, why is there two threads about this same thing? It's a bit confusing, I thought I was on the other one actually????

[SilentFeathers]

HYM-9ukKe9E

-quote- "I do not care WHAT the justification is" -unquote- = he does NOT care, WHY there is a 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution, he does NOT care if it can be proven that Governments hijacked by hard core criminals, he does NOT care about the Truth of the NWO Depopulation Agenda, he does not care about the history of Tyranny & Scientific Dictatorship. He does not care about WHY GOVERNMENT needs restrictions (check & balances aka accountability) As if GOV are run by "angels".

~Piers Morgans VOICE SAYING: "hahahaha, I'll borrow my brothers uniform"

... sick bastard!

~you have maybe 20+ different types of truthers, activists, anti-NWO people, resisters, rebels etc. but what most have in common is they know what will come next if we have no way of defending ourselves anymore.

cheers,
John

Alex really needs to get serious and watch his back.....IMO he is in great danger mostly due to CNN showing the public that it is acceptable to threaten to kill and or actually kill him. This is big time ridiculous AND UNACCEPTABLE!.

Freedom of speech is one thing, but to make death threats and or entice/conspire with others to commit murder is AGAINST THE LAW!

[Akasha]

If this is true, it would certainly go some way to explaining Jones' self defeating performance against Morgan.

Being a little patriotic there Akasha..:)

Your welcome to have 'Piss Morgan' back...:pound:

I am amazed that very few seem to know why Alex carried on the way he did..?

If someone's got the time...


Count Up exactly how many 'Truths' Alex actually rolled-off on air (Live National TV) in his 14min interview with that mild-mannered..:cry: pompus 'British (NWO) Arsehole'..!

Now (Who Won The Debate)..?

I say the 'Truth' won the debate...Period..!

Just to clarify, patriotism has nothing to do with it, Jacko'. I have despised Piers Morgan for well over 25 years now.

I take your point that Alex did share a lot of truths in that short period but Joe Public is unlikely to have taken them seriously given the borderline psychotic nature with which they were presented.

[ulli]

All I can think of is 'All publicity is good publicity', as long as it gets people thinking and talking.

[foreverfan]

This make a lot of sense.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIQ6erwTyZk

[13th Warrior]

Alex was set up by the left and the CNN propaganda machine, but, at the same time, Alex knew that if he stopped speaking Piers would of totally spun the spin and tossed Alex around like a rag doll. Alex made his choice to go there and IMO had no other choice once the camera started rolling. He did get a bit carried away though :) (as he always does)

Regardless, it is what it is and anyone that isn't totally brain-dead or over-dosing on fluoride and mercury has a pretty good idea to the true agenda.....which is disarming America and enslaving/exterminating the people at the end of the day!

The deeper hidden meaning/message of this whole fiasco; "The Redcoats are coming!!!!!"

Alex wasn't set up; he knew he was walking straight into the snake pit...and still had the courage to do so!

There is no "debating" these people anymore; Alex showed that the American people are done playing their game.

[RUSirius]

a debate never occured IMO.

[13th Warrior]

Main stream media(Piers Morgan) is the "Mouth of Sauron"

Alex does not "treat" with Sauron...

To_RJ_mPNqM

[Sidney]

Something Alex( I believe ) succeeded in, was grabbing peoples attention who otherwise may have kept snoozing through an interview like this. His passion may be mistaken for obnoxiousness, but if he woke up a few viewers in the process, its worth it. He made a point to get out some important statistics, and FACTS, that many people don't know , and in interviews like this, as someone else said, if he stopped talking , and loses momentum, then he loses his opportunity to get out what needs to come out.

[Arpheus]

This make a lot of sense.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIQ6erwTyZk

Excellent video forever fan,i agree with the guy who made that video 100 per cent,i am still unsure of whats alex deal,sometimes i really feel he works for the bad guys as well especially after that fiasco interview with piers morgan,if he thinks he was doing society a favor i will have to disagree,most normal folk will think he is a psychotic lunatic who shouldnt carry guns around,honestly he's been on the radio for ages,i got a question for you who owns all the radio stations he works for?Isnt it the same NWO he is pretending to be fighting against it?Hmmmmmmm think about it folks,alex gonna have to do a much better job to convince me he is a legitimate good guy and that he is on our side of the fight,as it stands i am not sure so sure of what his real motives are.

[kaon]

If this is true, it would certainly go some way to explaining Jones' self defeating performance against Morgan.

Being a little patriotic there Akasha..:)

Your welcome to have 'Piss Morgan' back...:pound:

I am amazed that very few seem to know why Alex carried on the way he did..?

If someone's got the time...


Count Up exactly how many 'Truths' Alex actually rolled-off on air (Live National TV) in his 14min interview with that mild-mannered..:cry: pompus 'British (NWO) Arsehole'..!

Now (Who Won The Debate)..?

I say the 'Truth' won the debate...Period..!

I agree with you 100%. There is much too much criticism of AJ's behavior and not enough focus on his message. I mentioned in the other thread that I believe it was a "win". I will grant the opinions of the many members here that his delivery could have been better, but frankly I didn't expect AJ to go on the show and act like he was doing a presidential debate. There is more discussion of his manners then to his message, just what the MSM wanted and are receiving.

[SilentFeathers]

Alex was set up by the left and the CNN propaganda machine, but, at the same time, Alex knew that if he stopped speaking Piers would of totally spun the spin and tossed Alex around like a rag doll. Alex made his choice to go there and IMO had no other choice once the camera started rolling. He did get a bit carried away though :) (as he always does)

Regardless, it is what it is and anyone that isn't totally brain-dead or over-dosing on fluoride and mercury has a pretty good idea to the true agenda.....which is disarming America and enslaving/exterminating the people at the end of the day!

The deeper hidden meaning/message of this whole fiasco; "The Redcoats are coming!!!!!"

Alex wasn't set up; he knew he was walking straight into the snake pit...and still had the courage to do so!

There is no "debating" these people anymore; Alex showed that the American people are done playing their game.

I personally think he was totally set up, but this is just my own take on it and my own opinion.

IMO: The message reaching the majority of the masses from this interview is not one of patriotism or causing the masses to be drunk with the "spirit of 1776"......thanks to CNN and others, the message reaching the majority of the masses sadly is that Jones is a lunatic and gun control is needed now more than ever.....not to mention that CNN is now allowing guests to publicly call for Jones to be assassinated/shot.

I believe Alex didn't completely think this through and it's backfiring on him.....

I find it hard to convince myself that my take on this is mostly incorrect.....

ADDED: sadly the majority of those even aware of this interview will believe Piers and CNN before Alex Jones....

[gripreaper]

The point is, what actually happened? More guns and ammo have been sold in the last four years (especially since Sandy Hook) than any other time in history. So, that is the effect. Is this an accident, or was this the desired effect, to get America armed to the teeth, and then foment a revolution?

What has been the result of the Piers Morgan/Alex Jones debacle? More divisiveness among Americans.

Since there are no accidents and everything that happens is planned, then the PLAN would be to create more divisiveness and arm everyone to the teeth, pull the plug, cause another false flag, declare martial law, collapse the economy, and then...

Stand back and watch the fireworks in the comfort of your bunker without having to fire a single shot.

[Arpheus]

So does anyone know who owns the radio stations that Alex works for?If they are owned by TPTB why would they employ a guy who is out to get em?It just doesnt make any sense to me,can someone help me and explain whats the logic behind it all,because i just dont get it?Anyone knows who owns those radio stations?I am willing to bet it is some power elite guys out there isnt it??Getting to the bottom of this all would be a nice way to start?

[SilentFeathers]

The point is, what actually happened? More guns and ammo have been sold in the last four years (especially since Sandy Hook) than any other time in history. So, that is the effect. Is this an accident, or was this the desired effect, to get America armed to the teeth, and then foment a revolution?

What has been the result of the Piers Morgan/Alex Jones debacle? More divisiveness among Americans.

Since there are no accidents and everything that happens is planned, then the PLAN would be to create more divisiveness and arm everyone to the teeth, pull the plug, cause another false flag, declare martial law, collapse the economy, and then...

Stand back and watch the fireworks in the comfort of your bunker without having to fire a single shot.

I was waiting for someone to bring this up, it doesn't surprise me that it was you Grip :)

Interesting to note that the number one seller right now is the bushmaster ar15's and related like rifles....I just read this morning most gun shops are even sold out of ammo, parts, and accessories for these types of guns.

(when one hand is slapping ya it's wise to get prepared for a punch from the other hand)

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxx

[SEAM]

http://teamcoco.com/video/alex-jones-piers-morgan-guns

[SilentFeathers]

I posted this in another thread but it seems appropriate to refresh minds....

Who owns Bushmaster?


Freedom Group is an American firearms manufacturer holding company which has acquired notable brands such as Bushmaster, DPMS, and Remington Arms.[3]
Freedom Group is owned by Cerberus Capital Management, a private equity investment firm. However, on December 18, 2012, following the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, Cerberus began divesting its assets in Freedom Group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Group

Cerberus is named for the mythological three-headed dog that guarded the gates of Hades.

Cerberus Capital Management
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus_Capital_Management

Further research will blow the mind......

[RMorgan]

Debate? What debate, really?

I think Alex behaved just like CNN was expecting him to behave. I think he was played like a pawn, to create the perfect image of the American gun nuts extremist.

Debates are won with arguments, not ranting. We all know that.

Alex didn´t even give the man a chance to talk and didn´t respond to any of his questions objectively.

In my opinion, he performed like a man who has no control over his emotions...Just like it was expected.

Alex is a solo man. He´s used to talk like a machine gun alone in front of a camera. He´s not the kind of guy who knows how to conduct a debate, and CNN, of course, knew it. It was completely predictable.

I would really be surprised if he behaved like a gentleman, using moderate voice tone and debating using reason instead of exacerbated emotions.

The sad thing is that he could easily win this debate if he behaved properly.

[soleil]

cnn has one article quoting alex saying "They've taken everybody's guns but the Swiss and the American people," he told Morgan Monday. "And when they get our guns, they can have their world tyranny while the government buys 1.6 billion bullets, armored vehicles, tanks, helicopters, predator drones, armed now in U.S. skies, being used to arrest people in North Dakota.".....

i think everyone needs to hear that and feel the impact....

unfortunately, these people (sheeple) think that they are going to be safer... *tear*

[sigma6]

I think Alex took a chunk out of our British chump Piers O'Meara...Hollywood Morgan... but he could have chilled his posture, Piers definitely used Alex's force against him, if only because Piers has got nothing except his "Britain has only 35 GUN murders" (note: doesn't include knifings, physically beating deaths, baseball bats and other blunt trauma deaths, poisonings, etc, etc... where Alex was trying to point out Britain has a huge lead...)

So for Piers the main issue is as long as you don't die by a bullet, it's all good! I loved how Alex told Piers to go back to Britain and face his hacking charges. LOL. I think people just got to get to know Alex better, I think he is, as the Brits would say... "an absolutely lovely guy"!

[Referee]

Who won you tell me Alex tops US twitter and 6th in the world!

falT3_qu3qo

[ghostrider]

No matter what Alex says, pierce already has his mind made up. this just plays to the ptb making people look crazy that want to have enough fire power to withstand a government assault on freedom ...the issue really isn't guns, it's government making people believe that they ( Government ) knows better than you, government will protect and provide for you, you can't take care of yourself, you need our laws, oh by the way , you get to pay for them... if you want to ban machine guns, ban them on the whole dam planet. the manufacture of them, the military, All of them, not just citizens...they never suggest that.. ban missles, drone attacks kill more innocent people than assault rifles, ban Nukes also, 500,000 were killed with two nukes, if you really want protection, ban Nuclear weapons ... this is propaganda, on steroids ... they really want assault rifles out of citizens hands don't they ...

[oddjob428]

Alex Jones in my opinion was perceived to be a raving lunatic based on his performance. I feel Jones lost any credibility he may have had by losing his composure during the interview. Pierce won hands down because he was calm and professional.

[Cidersomerset]

I have posted an answer to this question on the other thread, but just watched this which i thought
was just as effective an answer than Alex's .....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54058-Alex-Jones-Debate-with-Piers-Morgan-1-7-2012-on-CNN&p=612978&viewfull=1#post612978




AOjI6laKGYU

[sdv]

The root cause is the culture of aggressive violence (I have the right to have weapons with which I can threaten, intimidate and kill is aggressive), the simplistic categorisation of good guys and bad guys/us and them, the paranoia that if we do not get them first they will get us, and so many other factors.

Guns support and enable this culture to express itself in horrific ways. Guns in themselves may not cause violence, but they do support and facilitate violence and the culture that promotes violence.

No one 'won' this supposed debate but it did highlight some stark differences in beliefs. Piers recycled old information and contributed nothing new and meaningful to the effort to transform the violent nature of the American empire; Alex came across as a raving lunatic (and that he supposedly owns more than 50 guns is really scary). This supposed debate presented a crude cartoon story of the choices we have to make as human beings, and unfortunately I think it will just entrench irrational and unreasonable beliefs rather than transform humankind.

Personally, I wish that I may I always be protected from those who believe that they have the right to protect, defend and assert their beliefs through the barrel of a gun!

Peace, smiles and hugs!

[Referee]

I posted this on the other thread. I hope you take a few minuets to watch this short video. This Identifies the problem with not only the mainstream but also the alternative crowd.

k_TpTGai0UE

Are you Hot Cold or Luke warm on Gun Control

I think Duncan O may like this one!!

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[13th Warrior]

This Roosevelt quote goes out to all of your Alex Jones critics and "Slacktavist" (look it up)


"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

[GlassSteagallfan]

Charlie McGrath's take on it: (wideawakenews.com)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ae955Md_hKs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ae955Md_hKs

[Zelig]

"Will Obama Use An Executive Order To Enact Gun Control?"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-09/will-obama-use-executive-order-enact-gun-control

[Ammit]

I dont particularily like morgan but the way Jones popped his gob off just proved to me that he does indeed have a big gob, I am not saying he has not helped in bringing truth to our ears but if he had just been a little calmer, maybe he could have used the calmer time more usefully then he appeared to have.....

[Rex]

Piers asked about 9/11 yet it has nothing to do with guns. Yeah, the obvious kook-angle, but still, not relevant at all.

I don't recall offhand if Piers asked, but most interviews like this (gun control interviewer, gun rights interviewee) ask how the interviewee would prevent these tragedies. I don't like the insinuation that the interviewee is indirectly responsible for the tragedy in question.

[Kimberley]

Just wanted to add my 2 cents...

I support the 2nd amendment "the right to bear arms"!!!! I do not own a gun and only shot a shot gun at a skeet shooting place at about 10 years of age with my father for one hour. I shot it several times and on that day only.

My father was a hunter and used his guns for hunting.

I do not expect I will ever have a gun, however I am in support of the constitution and the second amendment.

I agree with what Alex had to say however his style does not suite me and it is not for me to judge. I am from the mind set that you attract more flies with honey than vinegar. I would have loved it if Alex spewed out all he spewed out from a place of love not anger...

And I too am not sure if Alex is with us or against us because of his angry fearful energy...however I am not in judgment.

Alex took the CNN opportunity to spew his stuff and did it in his style some will like it, some will not like it, and some might be changed by it...

and so it is....

:grouphug:

[Arrowwind]

http://f1622.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2%5f0%5f0%5f1%5f4779968%5fAIjsHkgAAKReUO3UqQkd6FmLjOY&pid=2&fid=Inbox&inline=1&appid=YahooMailClassic

[Bill Ryan]

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It was really hard to listen to. I genuinely fear it was a set-up.

Rather more effective would have been Jim Marrs or G. Edward Griffin. Or maybe Mike Adams. Or even George Noory! At times like this I find myself wishing that Rich Dolan, one of the most intelligent, grounded, articulate yet incisive speakers on the UFO circuit, would turn his skills to alternative politics.

This is a time for level-headed, fact-based persuasion, not for released emotion; people associate that with lack of control, and that (combined with guns in hand) is what people are being taught to fear.





PS -- Mod hat on: merged the two threads on the subject.

[New Dawn]

He's (Alex) kinda made himself on the list of people I'd rather not mention in a discussion. The same way that if you mention anything to do with David Icke (no matter how valid the point is), you get wise cracks about the reptilians, you're now going to get frustrating responses if you mention Alex Jones, no matter how valid the point you're making is. Way to undo the hard work, and make us all look like lunatics. People in that position are representing the rest of us who take the same or similar stand and want to make a difference.

In short, its caused more division. We, the ones who see the world through a different set of eyes to the ones that most people have, have a responsibility to lead by example. Now, when I fail at that (and sadly I do sometimes, though rarely these days), few people are looking but that's bad enough. When someone like Alex does it, there's millions watching, laughing and enjoying the show.

It is hard even being slightly awake, because you have to deal with your new self, the sleeping, and the people who convince the sleeping that we are all mad.

Great going Alex.

[Tesseract]

Gun owners protecting against tyrannical government?

Where are you? I can show you where the tyrants are. When I'm out on the street with my dissenting comrades, facing off with government uniforms, against the batons, trying not to get arrested, are the brothers and sisters next to me gun owners? Might be a few here and there, one in ten maybe, probably closer to one in twenty. Didn't take a survey, don't know. Just a guess, just instinct. Guessing maybe the gun owners are out voting for the tyrants - not battling them. Guess maybe the NRA is giving money to the tyrants, not battling them. Just a guess, don't know for sure. Occupy crowd all carrying concealed in their tents? Don't know, didn't do a search, sort of doubt it though. I'd count on angels appearing in the sky to take care of our tyrants before I'd count on organised resistance by gun owners. Or, maybe the gun owners don't care about the tyrants, so long as the effects of the tyranny are felt overseas. Thinking back to 2003 - gun owners in the streets, demanding Bush not go to war? Few here and there maybe - under-represented I think - didn't take a survey, don't know for sure. Just a guess.

Tunisia had about the toughest gun laws on the planet. Still managed to throw out their US backed tyrant. Guns don't overthrow people, people overthrow people.

Edit: oh yeah, forgot this was about AJ and PM. I think PM proved that a level head with a bolt action is more effective than a lunatic with a semi-auto.

[gripreaper]

AOjI6laKGYU

Unconstitutional Laws aren't Laws.

Unconstitutional Laws aren't Laws. Unconstitutional Laws aren't Laws. Unconstitutional Laws aren't Laws. Unconstitutional Laws aren't Laws. Unconstitutional Laws aren't Laws. Unconstitutional Laws aren't Laws. Unconstitutional Laws aren't Laws. Unconstitutional Laws aren't Laws. Unconstitutional Laws aren't Laws. Unconstitutional Laws aren't Laws. Unconstitutional Laws aren't Laws.

Unconstitutional Laws aren't Laws.

Let this sink in. We have not had a congress or a representative government since the mid 1800's when the titles of nobility amendment was removed and lawyers started running things, and the 14th amendment made a new class of citizens, called slaves, and the District of Columbia was formed and the new corporate UNITED STATES was formed and took over. 7 southern states walked out of congress because they SAW what was happening, and congress NEVER reconvened. The original organic Constitution and the government died that day. The Reconstruction Act reconstructed the country, and the globalists then proceeded to take over and bankrupt us, and seize all of the assets of the country.

So, the implications of this are staggering. All the BS acts of congress, executive orders, judicial rulings etc. are all illegal and are a total sham.

So, this gun grab is the final straw. Alex is right about that. Once the globalists disarm America, what's to stop them from a complete totalitarian fascist dictatorship?

I know, our little toy guns are no match against the elite's armory, but... Will the military stand with us or the globalists?

That is the question.

[Bill Ryan]

AOjI6laKGYU

Joshua Boston took over last night where Alex Jones left off, and did a far, far better job. Watch and appreciate: :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TEBy6KPjVw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4TEBy6KPjVw


For the record, this is the open letter that Joshua Boston wrote as a CNN iReport, and which went viral:





Senator Dianne Feinstein,

I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government's right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma'am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.

I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.


I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.

I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

We, the people, deserve better than you.

Respectfully Submitted,

Joshua Boston

Cpl, United States Marine Corps

2004-2012

[sigma6]

What's with everyone 'sucking out' because Alex ain't perfect, it's like the world revolves on excuses and blaming others. Alex may have started a movement with this one, and has put it on the map. And half the people on this site are already sucking the energy out of it (what a pathetic bunch we are) YES he could have been more controlled, but SO WHAT! BIG DEAL! Personally if you look at Alex overall, sure he is a spoiled rich kid. But look what he is doing with his money... trying to inform people. That is just who he is... get over it. Some people are collected and some are not... Alex is definitely not. And when I see him with friends and others outside the studio he is just an average guy. He is making a difference and if even a tiny fraction of people spoke with the same passion, believe me, the bottom feeders in Washington DC would crawl back under their rocks...

So no use knocking Alex, I think people can understand that kind of passion. Your just bothered by Piers propaganda spin trying to make Alex look like an out of control gun fanatic. You didn't believe it and neither did I, and I don't think millions of others did either. And for people who need excuses, Alex gave it to them on a plate. But those who need excuses will always find something to put on their plate so leave them be... This isn't about selling, it's about sorting.

I like people who express their emotions, and he was not completely out of control, he still spoke a LOT of facts, could he have done a better job sure... hindsight is always 20/20. Someone on this thread was commenting on how Piers "won" solely because he was so calm and controlled... how naive my friend, how naive.... for I can guarantee you, the cold blooded killer that will sneak up and slit your throat without arousing your suspicion will be the calm and collected one... I find it is the more honest people who are known (at least by their inner circle as upstanding and honest) tend to be more outspoken and passionate. Its the silent, unflappable, calm collected ones, that creep me out... and Piers fits that to a tee...

Update: The soldier who went viral about the 2nd amendment has the right idea, learn how to exercise your rights and you can opt out of the statutory corporate policy system, still have access to funds to survive, and live according to your own lawful interpretation. This isn't pie in the sky. The 2nd amendment isn't going anywhere.

They are just adding in more statutory laws to the millions of existing statutes already in place, and they can do whatever they want in their corporation. One way or another people have to wake up to this reality and start educating themselves on how to give themselves the power to make their own choice of which jurisdiction they want to live in. But you can't make that decision if you don't even know there is such a choice to make.

To live according to principles (maxims) you must live a principle based life. There is a way to control the courts, and it lies in your birth right. But I don't think many are prepared to accept how that would work just yet... Even if it was explained to them in a way they understood. (it is more then just a technical rule based interpretation, but it is absolute control) People will be waking up to this as these ideas spread to a wider audience and become more articulately expressed by others.

[Rex]

Totally agree that Piers should not have an AR-15!!!

[apokalypse]

i feel more and more this like an trap or setup, all of sudden AJ became hot topic in alternative media.

only one negative thing about AJ is why he didn't answer straight away who behind 911? after all these years he talk about it and on CNN can't answer it but throw in some evidence...all he need to answer is Controllers behind it and throw all the evidence in.

[New Dawn]

Or one could argue, what's the big deal in us making a big deal. Maybe you should get over it?!

I think the positive thing we can get from from watching Alex Jones is the lesson that we do better by stacking our (verbal) ammo, and using it with a direct hit, not just blowing up the entire area with as many hits as possible :)

I agree, its great to have him at least doing something about it, but its no good if he undoes his good work all by himself. The way he comes across more like a bully, as he did with people like Peter Joseph. taking the piss out of Piers Morgan's accent - WTF was that? Childish and embarrassing.

He'd be more powerful with his work if he considers growing up and calming down.

On another note, thanks Bill, I didn't see the part of the interview - much much better!


What's with everyone 'sucking out' because Alex ain't perfect, it's like the world revolves on excuses and blaming others. Alex may have started a movement with this one, and has put it on the map. And half the people on this site are already sucking the energy out of it (what a pathetic bunch we are) YES he could have been more controlled, but SO WHAT! BIG DEAL! Personally if you look at Alex overall, sure he is a spoiled rich kid. But look what he is doing with his money... trying to inform people. That is just who he is... get over it. Some people are collected and some are not... Alex is definitely not. And when I see him with friends and others outside the studio he is just an average guy. He is making a difference and if even a tiny fraction of people spoke with the same passion, believe me, the bottom feeders in Washington DC would crawl back under their rocks...

So no use knocking Alex, I think people can understand that kind of passion. Your just bothered by Piers propaganda spin trying to make Alex look like an out of control gun fanatic. You didn't believe it and neither did I, and I don't think millions of others did either. And for people who need excuses, Alex gave it to them on a plate. But those who need excuses will always find something to put on their plate so leave them be... This isn't about selling, it's about sorting.

I like people who express their emotions, and he was not completely out of control, he still spoke a LOT of facts, could he have done a better job sure... hindsight is always 20/20. Someone on this thread was commenting on how Piers "won" solely because he was so calm and controlled... how naive my friend, how naive.... for I can guarantee you, the cold blooded killer that will sneak up and slit your throat without arousing your suspicion will be the calm and collected one... I find it is the more honest people who are known (at least by their inner circle as upstanding and honest) tend to be more outspoken and passionate. Its the silent, unflappable, calm collected ones, that creep me out... and Piers fits that to a tee...

Update: The soldier who went viral about the 2nd amendment has the right idea, learn how to exercise your rights and you can opt out of the statutory corporate policy system, still have access to funds to survive, and live according to your own lawful interpretation. This isn't pie in the sky. The 2nd amendment isn't going anywhere.

They are just adding in more statutory laws to the millions of existing statutes already in place, and they can do whatever they want in their corporation. One way or another people have to wake up to this reality and start educating themselves on how to give themselves the power to make their own choice of which jurisdiction they want to live in. But you can't make that decision if you don't even know there is such a choice to make.

To live according to principles (maxims) you must live a principle based life. There is a way to control the courts, and it lies in your birth right. But I don't think many are prepared to accept how that would work just yet... Even if it was explained to them in a way they understood. (it is more then just a technical rule based interpretation, but it is absolute control) People will be waking up to this as these ideas spread to a wider audience and become more articulately expressed by others.

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxxx

[Arrowwind]

What's with everyone 'sucking out' because Alex ain't perfect, it's like the world revolves on excuses and blaming others. Alex may have started a movement with this one, and has put it on the map. And half the people on this site are already sucking the energy out of it (what a pathetic bunch we are)

So no use knocking Alex, I think people can understand that kind of passion. Your just bothered by Piers propaganda spin trying to make Alex look like an out of control gun fanatic. You didn't believe it and neither did I, and I don't think millions of others did either. And for people who need excuses, Alex gave it to them on a plate. But those who need excuses will always find something to put on their plate so leave them be... This isn't about selling, it's about sorting.

People will be waking up to this as these ideas spread to a wider audience and become more articulately expressed by others.

I one hundred percent agree with you. An intelligent person will not get hung up in personality.. My son doest like Alex and said he was low class..that really shocked me.. I had to remind him that most of the young men who died trying to create this nation were quote LOW CLASS unquote... That he brought class into totally stunned me. I would think that those here on Avelon would know better. and yes I am questioning my son's own power of perception. .. but alas he is intutitionally brainwashed by the University.

I know of no better information source for truth than Alex Jones. Absolutley none. He reaches millions. He has been responsible for the awakening of many. He never tires, he never runs away, he never cowers in fear, he never gives up. His persistence is remarkable even though he has had many threats on his life... including the threat that mass media broadcasted to millions the other day where it was advised that he should be shot and all on stage laughed about it.

He does make mistakes, but he is in the trenches daily reporting or protesting on the streets or digging for information. We owe much to him even if you dont like his personality or his class, or lack of it.

you can bet his website has had more hits in the last two days than every before.

I dont think this will turn off the debate ... it is just the start.

[Youniverse]

I wonder what some of you thought about Mr.Kennedy's comment on the 2nd Amendment. He said Thomas Jefferson said it should be up for review every 20 years to see if it is still relevant or should be removed. That is for those folks that watched past Alex Jones.

I believe this is a huge stretch. As far as I know, Jefferson said no such thing specifically about the 2nd Amendment. What he did say was the tree of liberty need be refreshed from time to time, and God forbid we go 20 years without a rebellion...

I'm sorry.. extinguishing rights doesn't count as a rebellion. Kennedy is way off in his understanding of what Jefferson said.

Well actually Morgan had a guy on tonight that wrote a book about Thomas Jefferson that supported what Kennedy was saying. Particularly poignant was the part about Jefferson saying that expecting a population to stick to a constitution written a long time beforehand was like handing a grown man a boy's clothes.

[sigma6]

i feel more and more this like an trap or setup, all of sudden AJ became hot topic in alternative media.

only one negative thing about AJ is why he didn't answer straight away who behind 911? after all these years he talk about it and on CNN can't answer it but throw in some evidence...all he need to answer is Controllers behind it and throw all the evidence in.

because that is always a trap... and it is what they would have wanted him to do, on live mainstream television, they try to do the same thing to Jesse... if they take the bait, then they are called conspiracy nuts, EVERYONE KNOWS 911 was a false flag, there are only those who get paid to pretend it is not, and those who didn't gain from it financially... and if someone really is clued out... they are living in denial... since to explain 911 with all the facts would take 5 to 10 hours assuming you have all the facts and information at your disposal to present the evidence, references, timelines, statistics, reports, etc... So anything that would be said could be sliced up into meaningless soundbites and used against you, just like they tried to do immediately after with some clips of Alex... I still think he did good, under the circumstances, it was brave and daring... he had a decent body of facts and he hammered them home... not knowing what angle Piers was going to play... safe poker...

[Arrowwind]

i feel more and more this like an trap or setup, all of sudden AJ became hot topic in alternative media.

only one negative thing about AJ is why he didn't answer straight away who behind 911? after all these years he talk about it and on CNN can't answer it but throw in some evidence...all he need to answer is Controllers behind it and throw all the evidence in.

If someone wants to know what Alex thinks they will go to his website. He did not want to drag that debate into the time he had. He actually revealed quite a bit in his time talking. Intelligent people will look into it.

I remember when I first starting hearing about all this stuff 20 years ago. It was very difficult but I pressed on in my self education. Many will hear what Alex had to say through his anger and passion and they will look into it and come to know for themselves.

[onawah]

I just saw this on Facebook:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/16700_463851470347730_1312467029_n.jpg

[NewFounderHome]

Here is another example of Alex Jones busting in to an organized rally and showing that his voice in the only one that matters. He needs to get a grip. I lost repect for him many years ago.
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This video could be seen cointelpro from both sides! The lady and Alex are !!!!!

[sleepy]

xxxx xxxxxx

[Youniverse]

This Roosevelt quote goes out to all of your Alex Jones critics and "Slacktavist" (look it up)


"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

So since Alex Jones dare so greatly, where is that taking him? Or where is that keeping him? What is his highest hopes? his grandest desires? What is the best case scenario of what he hoped to achieve by his rant? You are partly right in that it is about truth. Not about who is better at arguing. You will still make a stronger argument if you maintain some kind of civil decency.

[Arrowwind]

If you want the constitution changed then work to change it. It was designed to be amendable. Instead they are endeavoring to take away our rights by illegal laws.. But first we must fix the voting mess.. I dont trust our vote anymore to represent me or the people of this nation. Its corporate controlled right down to control of the voting machine. Without restoring our power within the vote we have nothing.

[NewFounderHome]

I'm wondering if there is not a bigger picture.
Well, might we have a movement from the government controllers, Federal reserve owners, Zionist and more to finalise their position on the control of the US citizens.

Just wondering if there is not a bigger picture.

[Youniverse]

And let's get this straight. If you didn't care for Alex Jones' rant on Piers Morgan, you are automatically a "slacktivist." Interesting logic. Might be missing a few facts though.

[T Smith]

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It was really hard to listen to. I genuinely fear it was a set-up.

Rather more effective would have been Jim Marrs or G. Edward Griffin. Or maybe Mike Adams. Or even George Noory! At times like this I find myself wishing that Rich Dolan, one of the most intelligent, grounded, articulate yet incisive speakers on the UFO circuit, would turn his skills to alternative politics.

This is a time for level-headed, fact-based persuasion, not for released emotion; people associate that with lack of control, and that (combined with guns in hand) is what people are being taught to fear.





PS -- Mod hat on: merged the two threads on the subject.


This is an exemplary summation.

The ambivalent reactions to the manner Alex Jones handled himself in this interview are understandable. As Bill Ryan aptly pointed out, it was hard to listen to. But the thing is, Alex Jones' forte is also his weakness. I would compare him to a robust but wild stallion that cannot be trained or domesticated. But this is exactly why I find his brand of journalism valuable. I find it unlikely an interest or agenda or special interest would easily succeed in controlling, directing or manipulating his message, even subtly or at a subconscious level that he may not be aware of. There may be those who try, but they may also find themselves unexpectedly bucked from the saddle mid stream. We are left with raw data. As critical thinkers all, this raw data is quite useful, even if Alex Jones' presentation of the data or interpretation of the data is less so. I also find his particular proclivity somewhat impervious to the cultural propaganda of proper society, the protocols and etiquette of which are largely shaped by social engineers specifically tasked to employ the herd itself to establish acceptable discourse and instill conformity within acceptable boundaries. This is an incredible asset (or set of blinders) to the movement of unveiling the greater truth. As we all know, it is also a huge Achilles heal; it is very easy to discredit someone who simply won't conform to social norms.

Alex Jones has his place in the truth movement. One needs to take him with a grain of salt and understand who and what he is. He often sensationalizes, and I certainly employ a specific filter to get the most out of what he has to offer. This certainly won't be the last time I expect him to make an ass out of himself, nor the last time, on the other side of the coin, that he might just jar someone out of trance by the sheer theatrics of the moment. I'm also open to accusations that he is a disinformation agent, but I don't think so. I truly think he is his own man, hindered only by the shortcomings of his very human ego.

[Arrowwind]

I just saw this on Facebook:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/16700_463851470347730_1312467029_n.jpg

So if Jon Stewart said it it must be true?

Clearly Jon Stewart is full of sh^t on this one. There is not 30,000 deaths due to guns a year in this nation. It is in not in actuality a reality. This is pure propaganda to brainwash and control and deaths by gun violence has been going down steadily since about 1990 http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53721-Stats-for-Gun-Deaths-in-the-US-Have-Been-Going-Down&p=613363#post613363

Propaganda!

Look at the stats for yourself... http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_08.html

[Arrowwind]

And let's get this straight. If you didn't care for Alex Jones' rant on Piers Morgan, you are automatically a "slacktivist." Interesting logic. Might be missing a few facts though.

True for some but of course not for all. I challenge every single person to make a private list on what they have done to maintain constitutional rights this past month. Self assessment is always merited

[Arrowwind]

I would compare him to a robust but wild stallion that cannot be trained or domesticated. But this is exactly why I find his brand of journalism valuable. I find it unlikely an interest or agenda or special interest would easily succeed in controlling, directing or manipulating his message, even subtly or at a subconscious level that he may not be aware of.

I truly think he is his own man, hindered only by the shortcomings of his very human ego.

Yes, he has fire in the belly. A sincere passion for life and freedom and he is not controlled and he will not be silenced and he does not sneak around trying to hide the truth of who he is. I think he is beautiful to watch but I feel the pressure of the sensorship of others who lack fire in the belly and have been so expertly socially assimilated and I can even feel my own social controlls whispering and condeming in my own ear.

[onawah]

I just posted that because it was relevant to the discussion, not because I think Jon Stewart is the last word in truth telling.
Though I do like the word he coined, "truthiness".
( Or maybe that was Colbert. )
It's good to keep a sense of humor even regarding these very incendiary issues.



I just saw this on Facebook:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/16700_463851470347730_1312467029_n.jpg

So if Jon Stewart said it it must be true?

Clearly Jon Stewart is full of sh^t on this one. There is not 30,000 deaths due to guns a year in this nation. It is in not in actuality a reality. This is pure propaganda to brainwash and control and deaths by gun violence has been going down steadily since about 1990 http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53721-Stats-for-Gun-Deaths-in-the-US-Have-Been-Going-Down&p=613363#post613363

Propaganda!

Look at the stats for yourself... http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_08.html

[gripreaper]

They are just adding in more statutory laws to the millions of existing statutes already in place, and they can do whatever they want in their corporation. One way or another people have to wake up to this reality and start educating themselves on how to give themselves the power to make their own choice of which jurisdiction they want to live in. But you can't make that decision if you don't even know there is such a choice to make.

To live according to principles (maxims) you must live a principle based life. There is a way to control the courts, and it lies in your birth right. But I don't think many are prepared to accept how that would work just yet... Even if it was explained to them in a way they understood. (it is more then just a technical rule based interpretation, but it is absolute control) People will be waking up to this as these ideas spread to a wider audience and become more articulately expressed by others.

And I hope so. This may be the catalyst which compels people to give up their privileges and perks of being an indentured 14th amendment us citizen slave, and declare their sovereignty and begin to stand arm in arm against the globalists. Until we realize we are slaves, how can we change the energy? Just because our hamster wheels have fluffy pillows and warm blankets and flashing lights, it's still slavery.

People are starting to feel the pinch, the slow boil of abject disregard in Washington for anything but themselves and their special interests and the blood money they are paid, and that there is zero representation of the people coming out of the beltway. It's a den of vipers and snakes which needs to be routed out.

Is the debate really about guns and who should have them, and what kind and how much? NO. It's about self determination and self responsibility and self governance. It's about taking back our country and restoring our ability to take care of ourselves because all of the resources no longer flow upstream to the elite. This year is the 100 year anniversary of the theft by the Federal Reserve, the WORST piece of sh!t legislation ever passed, and it has totally transferred all of the wealth of this country to the globalists.

Until we realize WE acquiesce to slavery and WE adhere and sign up for slavery, and WE allow it, and WE do not stand against it, or declare ourselves separate from it, or even realize that we are NOT free, and there IS NO representative government or ANY recourse other than our very own ability to STAND and be separate from this den of vipers, what do we expect?

We are engaging their energy by default, and feeding into the matrix our lethargy and apathy, or our emotions or our energy! WE feed this monster, for without us and our energy it cannot survive! It's a very subtle difference, but if we could see it on the quantum level, how much we support it, it would make your head spin.

[skippy]

WE KNOW we must go out and reach our fellow man and speak our truth, regardless of the ridicule.

WE empathic humans need to recognize evil, look it square in the face, call it out from the shadows into the light of day, and REMOVE it from our planet. PERIOD!

There, that's my rant for today.

Interesting rant. Let's write this rant into some granit blocs and install those Avalon Guidestones somewhere on a symbolic place...

[Bill Ryan]

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Take a step or two back for a moment to see where this may be going. Remember that the controllers have powerful, classified profiling and forecasting technology. If you were in charge of a strategic operation to disarm the American people, what would you do (or make happen, or allow to happen) next?

[SKAWF]

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Take a step or two back for a moment to see where this may be going. Remember that the controllers have powerful, classified profiling and forecasting technology. If you were in charge of a strategic operation to disarm the American people, what would you do (or make happen, or allow to happen) next?

well if i were them.....

i would organise a few false flags on government buildings.
leave a few muskets there some whiskey and a banjo
and blame it on gun fanatics.

OR

either an old man with a bolt action rifle,
or an old woman with a semi auto pistol.....

shooting at a paramedic, or police officer....
after hearing on alex jones
that the system has been takin over by demons.
use it to pass legislation to restrict the age at which
you are no longer responsible enough to have access to a firearm

or

try to implicate jones in a serious gun crime. a death.
national tv.....
massive trial....
guilty verdict
sentence death.

just for a bonus...

use a psychological profile,
based on footage of jones's behaviour....
as the criteria for judging whether people are potential threats.

best hide that flag under the bed!

[jackovesk]

This make a lot of sense.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIQ6erwTyZk


This make a lot of sense.


Oh ye, with little faith in your own fellow countrymen...:faint:

[RMorgan]

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Take a step or two back for a moment to see where this may be going. Remember that the controllers have powerful, classified profiling and forecasting technology. If you were in charge of a strategic operation to disarm the American people, what would you do (or make happen, or allow to happen) next?

Hey Bill,

Well, a probable next step is domestic terrorism, like SKAWF said above.

Organized gun nuts extremist militias targeting government buildings and things like this.

I´m not sure if this is what´s going to happen, but it´s quite possible.

Raf.

[jackovesk]

Glenn Beck Rips Apart 'Madman' Alex Jones For 'Crazy' Piers Morgan Rant...

Grab your :bad: bucket and see if you can make it through Glen 'Nancy-Boy' Beck's (Hit-Peice) on Alex Jones...

It really is laughable...:pound:

Look out for those 'Semantical-Sicophants' (Play-On-Words) you actually lose count of how many of them are 'Painstakingly Controlled Speech'...

Glenn Beck you old son of a Backdoor-Snake in the Grass Weazel-Wizard...:wizard:...:pound:

The Hollywood-Style-Sincerity coupled with all to familiar (Controlled/Research Speech) together with those lying eyes tells me your somebodies 'Bitch' again, either that or desperate for ratings...:yes4:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReVPiagm-G0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReVPiagm-G0

PS - Don't say you weren't warned...:)

[SilentFeathers]

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Take a step or two back for a moment to see where this may be going. Remember that the controllers have powerful, classified profiling and forecasting technology. If you were in charge of a strategic operation to disarm the American people, what would you do (or make happen, or allow to happen) next?

IMO:
On top of all the gun control rhetoric Bill, this has a lot to do with the economy and pensions/retirement funds, Pharma, etc etc. Look who's making a fist full of dollars right now....a deep dig into this company and dots connect left and right. I've mentioned this already in this thread and I think also in the Sandy Hook thread.


Bushmaster became part of the Freedom Group, owned by Cerberus Capital Management, when owner Richard E. Dyke, who had purchased the company in 1978, sold the company to Cerberus in April, 2006. [2] On December 18, 2012, following the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting with one of its products, Cerberus announced that it will sell Bushmaster.

Cerberus is BIGTIME....


Cerberus Capital Management, L.P. is an American private equity firm. The firm is based in New York City, and run by financier Steve Feinberg, who co-founded Cerberus in 1992 with William L. Richter, who currently serves as a senior managing director. The firm has affiliate and/or advisory offices in the United States, Europe and Asia.
Cerberus has more than US$20 billion under management in funds and accounts. The company is a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission Registered Investment Advisor. Investors include prominent government and private sector pension and retirement funds, charitable foundations, university endowments, insurance companies, family savings and sovereign wealth funds.

They have their hands in to just about everything....


The company has been a very active acquirer of businesses over the past several years and now has sizable investments in Financial Services, Healthcare, Consumer & Retail, Government Services, Manufacturing & Distribution, Technology & Telecommunications, Building Products, Energy & Natural Resources, Apparel, Paper, Packaging & Printing, Transportation, Commercial Services, Industrial & Automotive, Real Estate, and Travel & Leisure.
The firm is active in private equity investment, lending, specialty finance, real estate investment, and securities trading. In May 2011, Steve Feinberg noted that the firm also believes that residential mortgage-backed securities may present "a real opportunity for continued investment for quite a period of time"[6] and that there are opportunities in buying assets from European banks. The firm’s current investment portfolio includes more than 40 companies around the world with an average hold time of more than five years

But to keep this more on topic according to the thread....


Cerberus acquired Bushmaster Firearms, Inc., from Windham, Maine native Dick Dyke for an undisclosed sum in April 2006, and purchased Remington Arms in April 2007. Under Cerberus direction, Bushmaster Firearms acquired Cobb Manufacturing, a manufacturer of large-caliber tactical rifles in August 2007. Cerberus also acquired DPMS Panther Arms December 14, 2007.[58][59] Remington Arms acquired Marlin Firearms in January 2008.[60][61] In October 2009, Remington Military products acquired silencer manufacturer Advanced Armament Corporation.[62] These companies were combined into the Freedom Group. Cerberus made plans to sell its share in the Freedom Group on December 18, 2012, after the Bushman AR-15 was used in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.[9] This decision was made due to a threat by a California state pension board, which owns a stake in the company, to dispose of stakes it holds in any firearms manufacturer that makes weapons banned by California state law.

Is Cerberus actually involved in "Banning Weapons" in the public sector?????

All this info AND MORE was found here:
Cerberus Capital Management
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus_Capital_Management

It's also interesting to note that Cerberus also has their hands in these cookie jars too.....


Government Services (Military, Energy, and Food & Drug) — In addition to owning DynCorp International, Cerberus owns IAP Worldwide Services, which bought Johnson Controls' World Services division in February 2005. Previously owned Multimax (purchased predecessor company in 2000 and Multimax in 2006; sold entire holding in 2007 to Harris Corporation).

Also, this is quite telling;

Cerberus is named for the mythological three-headed dog that guarded the gates of Hades.

One could go on and on with this stuff.....the trail will take you also to GE, Dan Quayle. the Bush's, GMAC, Chrysler, Coca Cola, JP Morgan, EVEN BLOOD PLASMA, etc etc etc....

One may really ask the question; "Why gun control now?" or "who benefits?"

You asked the question, "What happens next?"

My predictions (and I'm not consulting with Drake, Cobra, etc., first) :)

1. Probably an American Spring will take place in 2013 making occupy wall street look like a bridge club meeting.

2. Gun legislation will pass (especially for military types of weapons and accessories) and BILLIONS will be made through the black arms markets for Cerberus etc etc etc.

3. The prison industrial complex will start to see profits rise dramatically soon.

4. More health care legislation will pass. Only the elite and those in power in certain areas will be labeled as sane, the rest of us will systematically be classified as "mentally unstable" or unfit. FORCED mind altering prescriptions/vaccinations are coming to a neighborhood near you soon....and then to your front door!

5. Considering Cerberus is controlling a HUGE amount of retirement and pension funds; I doubt if they are jumping up and down with joy at the thoughts of financially supporting a large population of senior citizens....this is a no brainer as to what will happen with these types of funds.

6. I do not see Alex Jones and his InfoWar business he created growing like it has in the last few years, I sadly feel he has been targeted for failure/removal, along with a few others.....

These are just a few possibilities off the top of my head.

ADDED:
It's interesting that Eric Holder is working "fast and furiously" with Joe Biden also to get gun legislation passed!

What we are seeing happening is Gun Control Legislation on it's way to knock the middle man out of the equation. (once again, it's all about power, control, and MONEY!)

UPDATE again:

Also what many do not understand is that the bushmaster AR15 and other like weapons sold across the US "legally" are "semi-automatic rifles" built to look like fully automatic "assault machine guns".....they are no different than almost all other semi auto "rifles" sold across the US that accept a clip/magazine, except by appearance only......The people are once again being duped and played BIGTIME!

What's happening now pertaining to the Obama admin language on banning guns is misleading and making people think this legislation is all about "assault rifles" only, IT IS NOT! it's about almost all types of guns!

[jackovesk]

Alex goes to New York...:)

http://i55.tinypic.com/30at1zm.jpg

[CD7]

Take a step or two back for a moment to see where this may be going. Remember that the controllers have powerful, classified profiling and forecasting technology. If you were in charge of a strategic operation to disarm the American people, what would you do (or make happen, or allow to happen) next?

Question comes to mind..IF "they" have powerful technology with nth capabilities....how would guns (essentially barbaric weapons compared to "theirs") b a threat?

With technology presumed to b far ahead of "us"---wouldnt "they" have the capability to take care of an unruly LARGE crowd if desired?

[Pam]

I think the ultimate point of the control of weapons is that they want us to perceive ourselves to be powerless and dependent on "others" to save us. There will be fewer rebellions that way.

[Timewaster]

This is The Hodge Twins reaction to the Alex Jones Vs Piers Morgan debate. P.S The Hodge Twins have a huge following cos they are so funny, but they are serious for this one axIv0Ndr_Bs

[Bill Ryan]

What I found most interesting is the kid talking about the agent walking into the wall. Disappearing and coming up them from behind. And Alex Jones cutting him off, saying that stuff went down and "truth is stranger than fiction"

To Sirius White ---> where did this come from, and what were you referring to? RSVP. :)

[13th Warrior]

This Roosevelt quote goes out to all of your Alex Jones critics and "Slacktavist" (look it up)


"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

So since Alex Jones dare so greatly, where is that taking him? Or where is that keeping him? What is his highest hopes? his grandest desires? What is the best case scenario of what he hoped to achieve by his rant? You are partly right in that it is about truth. Not about who is better at arguing. You will still make a stronger argument if you maintain some kind of civil decency.

listen to his radio show for a couple weeks and you'll find the answers to your questions...

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And let's get this straight. If you didn't care for Alex Jones' rant on Piers Morgan, you are automatically a "slacktivist." Interesting logic. Might be missing a few facts though.

When you throw a stone into a pack of dogs...the one that yelps is the one that got hit.

[jagman]

Hodge twins sound like they have a combined IQ of 50 and they want to critique Alex lol

[christian]

What I found most interesting is the kid talking about the agent walking into the wall. Disappearing and coming up them from behind. And Alex Jones cutting him off, saying that stuff went down and "truth is stranger than fiction"

To Sirius White ---> where did this come from, and what were you referring to? RSVP. :)

It's at 3m10s in this video. A wannabe secret agent gets bamboozled by feeling like he's stalking Goldfinger which prompts him to walk into a wall while he talks on his radio device. Bizarre and comical, that's how it looks to me anyways.

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[Ron Mauer Sr]

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Take a step or two back for a moment to see where this may be going. Remember that the controllers have powerful, classified profiling and forecasting technology. If you were in charge of a strategic operation to disarm the American people, what would you do (or make happen, or allow to happen) next?

The controllers would troll forums, including this one, identify and quantify who posts and who "thanks".

All data would feed into a relational database. A custom script could then be run to develop a profile on all who participate. Based on data collection, each individual would be assigned a "politically incorrect" attribute.

An individual becomes a "person of interest" when a query is run to identify those with an attribute above a certain threshold.

Note: I have no insider connections, but this is process is so obvious to anyone who has database mining experience collecting data from various independent sources (other databases). The various sources could include


websites searched (think Google and others)
email and phone calls (to/from anyone suspected of political incorrectness)
credit card transactions
social networking contacts and statements

A relational database can link many independent databases together if there is at least one common field. That common field is a personal ID.

It is so simple I might be able to do it myself. This is not rocket science. It is the "thought police" of Orwell's 1984.

[jagman]

The United States is a tyranical Government! They are amassing a stock pile of ammo and weapons to be used on the American people.
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson.
Ask yourselves one question. Do you fear the Government? My Answer is yes I do!

[Hervé]

...

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."

Thomas Jefferson

[Alan]

Here's another quote from a former serviceman. It's about as clear and concise as it can be:

"The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat -- it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

[Wind]

My opinion is that Alex Jones is controlled opposition. Or then he really is just emotionally unbalanced. I once used to listen to him, but eventually I grew tired of his rantings. I think that he does no good for the alternative community with that kind of behaviour.

[Nickolai]

Here is another example of Alex Jones busting in to an organized rally and showing that his voice in the only one that matters. He needs to get a grip. I lost repect for him many years ago.
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Thank you, Sleepy!

That's absolutely jaw-dropping...
Though somehow I am not surprised.

Nickolai

[Bill Ryan]

My opinion is that Alex Jones is controlled opposition. Or then he really is just emotionally unbalanced. I once used to listen to him, but eventually I grew tired of his rantings. I think that he does no good for the alternative community with that kind of behaviour.

To Starseed, and others who may doubt Alex Jones' integrity: I understand the dilemmas, but if one pauses to consider human nature just a little, one can see that Alex Jones' impassioned outbursts could not possibly be faked. Anyone who can do that needs to be in Hollywood, and would be a multiple Oscar-winner. It's just not credible that he is insincere.

What may be happening is far more worrying that that simplicity. There does exist technology that can be beamed at people -- psychically, or electronically via satellite -- to destabilize them. A very perceptive friend described them to me the other day as emotional scramble weapons.

That these weapons exist is for me beyond doubt. One day in April 2007, I was stuck in an exhausting, seemingly endless argument with Kerry Cassidy. I can't even remember what it was about. It would not stop, though we were both trying to find resolution.

Then suddenly, I spotted an exterior influence: we were being impinged on by a beam of some kind. The moment I spotted it, the heat of emotion disappeared -- like a campfire which had just had a gallon of water poured on it. My spotting the source of the upset immediately deactivated the effect. We were left blinking: What just happened?

More recently, someone I know who I will not name but who like Kerry and myself is also a heads-above-the-parapet target, suddenly had a clear suicidal thought. Fortunately, this was so absurd that my [very stable and grounded!] friend could instantly dismiss it -- while fully recognizing that the thought was not theirs.

It is absolutely not impossible that all the manipulators had to do was to turn the heat up on Alex Jones a little. Literally -- as with a dial on a machine. The technology does exist to cause those effects. If Alex does not have protection, and very reliable psychically skilled allies, he may be in great danger.

Read this report (written today) for more about how Alex is being 'baited':

http://infowars.com/dhs-source-confirms-alex-was-being-stalked

My biggest worry: that Alex Jones consciously (or maybe far more likely, unconsciously) wants to go down like Bill Cooper. If this were to happen, we may be at the beginning of the end for liberty. It would be a planned shock that would run through the alternative media like 9/11 ran through mainstream America. It would be conceived as a warning; and a "Don't think you can mess with us" stand.

I am nervous today, and can perceive the possibility of a complex series of clever traps closing on us all. Know that those who Alex rages about are real, that they are highly intelligent, cold and calculating, have weapons at their disposal that can affect people's emotion and rationality, and that (in George Green's words) believe they have already won. It may possibly be that they are now preparing the coup de grace.... read Doug Hagmann for more.

Part 1: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305
Part 2: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310

Note that Hagmann states that his source has authorized him to publish more after Obama's inauguration on 21 January. I trust my intuitions, and I feel on high alert at the moment. I share this with those reading this for what it may be worth.

[jaybee]

My opinion is that Alex Jones is controlled opposition. Or then he really is just emotionally unbalanced. I once used to listen to him, but eventually I grew tired of his rantings. I think that he does no good for the alternative community with that kind of behaviour.

To Starseed, and others who may doubt Alex Jones' integrity: I understand the dilemmas, but if one pauses to consider human nature just a little, one can see that Alex Jones' impassioned outbursts could not possibly be faked. Anyone who can do that needs to be in Hollywood, and would be a multiple Oscar-winner. It's just not credible that he is insincere.


I'm sorry Bill...but I must respectfully disagree....I think it IS credible that he is insincere.

I don't see why his outbursts could not be faked. In fact IMO...they are.


This one was embarassing....


88KMFj6eurY

[13th Warrior]

My opinion is that Alex Jones is controlled opposition. Or then he really is just emotionally unbalanced. I once used to listen to him, but eventually I grew tired of his rantings. I think that he does no good for the alternative community with that kind of behaviour.

To Starseed, and others who may doubt Alex Jones' integrity: I understand the dilemmas, but if one pauses to consider human nature just a little, one can see that Alex Jones' impassioned outbursts could not possibly be faked. Anyone who can do that needs to be in Hollywood, and would be a multiple Oscar-winner. It's just not credible that he is insincere.


I'm sorry Bill...but I must respectfully disagree....I think it IS credible that he is insincere.

I don't see why his outbursts could not be faked. In fact IMO...they are.


This one was embarassing....


88KMFj6eurY

Alex has documented thousands of hours of information and this is what you choose to focus on...

You need to listen for the pop!

[jaybee]

Alex has documented thousands of hours of information and this is what you choose to focus on...


yes...as an example of what I consider to be him acting.

but it's not worthy of an oscar...:p


.

[Curt]

My opinion is that Alex Jones is controlled opposition. Or then he really is just emotionally unbalanced. I once used to listen to him, but eventually I grew tired of his rantings. I think that he does no good for the alternative community with that kind of behaviour.

To Starseed, and others who may doubt Alex Jones' integrity: I understand the dilemmas, but if one pauses to consider human nature just a little, one can see that Alex Jones' impassioned outbursts could not possibly be faked. Anyone who can do that needs to be in Hollywood, and would be a multiple Oscar-winner. It's just not credible that he is insincere.

What may be happening is far more worrying that that simplicity. There does exist technology that can be beamed at people -- psychically, or electronically via satellite -- to destabilize them. A very perceptive friend described them to me the other day as emotional scramble weapons.

That these weapons exist is for me beyond doubt. One day in April 2007, I was stuck in an exhausting, seemingly endless argument with Kerry Cassidy. I can't even remember what it was about. It would not stop, though we were both trying to find resolution.

Then suddenly, I spotted an exterior influence: we were being impinged on by a beam of some kind. The moment I spotted it, the heat of emotion disappeared -- like a campfire which had just had a gallon of water poured on it. My spotting the source of the upset immediately deactivated the effect. We were left blinking: What just happened?

More recently, someone I know who I will not name but who like Kerry and myself is also a heads-above-the-parapet target, suddenly had a clear suicidal thought. Fortunately, this was so absurd that my [very stable and grounded!] friend could instantly dismiss it -- while fully recognizing that the thought was not theirs.

It is absolutely not impossible that all the manipulators had to do was to turn the heat up on Alex Jones a little. Literally -- as with a dial on a machine. The technology does exist to cause those effects. If Alex does not have protection, and very reliable psychically skilled allies, he may be in great danger.

Read this report (written today) for more about how Alex is being 'baited':

http://infowars.com/dhs-source-confirms-alex-was-being-stalked

My biggest worry: that Alex Jones consciously (or maybe far more likely, unconsciously) wants to go down like Bill Cooper. If this were to happen, we may be at the beginning of the end for liberty. It would be a planned shock that would run through the alternative media like 9/11 ran through mainstream America. It would be conceived as a warning; and a "Don't think you can mess with us" stand.

I am nervous today, and can perceive the possibility of a complex series of clever traps closing on us all. Know that those who Alex rages about are real, that they are highly intelligent, cold and calculating, have weapons at their disposal that can affect people's emotion and rationality, and that (in George Green's words) believe they have already won. It may possibly be that they are now preparing the coup de grace.... read Doug Hagmann for more.

Part 1: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305
Part 2: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310

Note that Hagmann states that his source has authorized him to publish more after Obama's inauguration on 21 January. I trust my intuitions, and I feel on high alert at the moment. I share this with those reading this for what it may be worth.

The idea that some sort of targeted emotional scramble weapon is being used on Alex has occurred to me as well.

It is certainly possible, and should be considered as a possibility (however crazy it may sound).

We know they do have the tech available to do this, and Alex would be an ideal target from their perspective.

It may be difficult for him to admit it, if this does turn out to be the case. I just hope Alex has people around him who can recognize this and offer help.

[Hip Hipnotist]

From Bill Ryan...

I am nervous today, and can perceive the possibility of a complex series of clever traps closing on us all. Know that those who Alex rages about are real, that they are highly intelligent, cold and calculating, have weapons at their disposal that can affect people's emotion and rationality, and that (in George Green's words) believe they have already won. It may possibly be that they are now preparing the coup de grace.... read Doug Hagmann for more.

First, so as not to completely derail this thread, I will go on record and state that "Alex Jones Woke Me Up!"

He woke me up by doing what Alex does so brilliantly -- RANTING!

Many of us need to be awakened by a REALLY LOUD ALARM. I am one of those. And that was many years ago. There isn't much ( if anything ) Mr. Jones has said ( RANTED ) about way back when that isn't CRASHING down on our collective heads as I type this.

As a result of my, "Jeez, this is serious sh!%, what can I do about it?" nagging thought process, I started a website, "The American Sheeple" which basically broadcast the same messages Mr. Jones ( and others ) were warning about with the exception I did it with humor, or so I'd like to think. The site gained in popularity and built an extensive subscriber list, many of which I continue to communicate with to this day. An advantage to having a site that attempts to 'tell it like it is' is that you make contacts with sources leading you to information that you would never discover by any other means. No doubt Mr. Ryan can attest to this.

Back to Bill Ryans comment: "... Know that those who Alex rages about are real, that they are highly intelligent, cold and calculating, have weapons at their disposal that can affect people's emotion and rationality..."

Just as "The American Sheeple" was really building up steam I awoke one morning, completely out of the blue, and begain a six month ordeal of deep anxiety and depression that ultimately lead to a massive heart attack and quadruple bypass surgery. I won't go into the ugly details of that six month descent into living hell but I was in perfect health prior to that 'fateful morning'.

I no longer maintain "The American Sheeple" website and am once again in perfect health.

I am not saying I was being controlled/manipulated by those "'weapons that can affect peoples' emotions and rationality"' but I will say that if I was, and it was a warning... it worked -- in spades.

As Mr. Ryan also said, "I am nervous today, and perceive the possibility of a complex series of clever traps closing on us all."

I'll drink to that.

Mr. Ryan and Mr. Jones are sending a message. Don't disregard the message because of the messenger's tone of voice. There are still MANY 'American Sheeple' that will only awaken ( if at all ) to a blaring alarm, also known as RANTING.

[SilentFeathers]

If Alex would of been calm cool and collective and let Piers control the interview, then I might think Alex was under some type of mind control weapon. He was, well, the "normal" Alex IMO.


From Bill's post: "I am nervous today, and can perceive the possibility of a complex series of clever traps closing on us all."

Sadly I sense you are quite accurate.....many are saying they are just "testing the water" some more so to speak with this Gun Control stuff, well, personally I think the testing is over and they are just fine tuning a few things before going for it big time......

[AriG]

I am genuinely concerned about Alex Jones. Although his perceptions are 110% accurate, his approach is doing him more harm than good. He is on the precipice of a heart attack. He is swollen, red complexioned, has gained a lot of weight, etc. I would be curious to know his blood pressure. Flipping out is not the way to fight the Oppressors. They are emotionless. One needs to fight ice water with ice water. Facts. Precision. Stealthy approach. Raw emotion only gives them more power. Although Alex's extremely emotional approach does lend credence to his legitimacy, it detracts from ascertaining the truth and results in him being dismissed as a crackpot. He is not a crackpot. He just needs a valium. If he would now just crank back the raw emotion a bit, he might actually get more attention.

[Flash]

Those weapons that can instill emotions in one being are the same weapons that can also be used on entire cities.

About 2 years ago, a group of people who all know each others were leaving the city for the week end, going up where nobody lives, almost, very calm, lost in the canadian wilderness, place.
We were going to meditate for the week end.

As we arrived people started to unwind. After the first evening, someone told me "this is strange, I was very anxious and feeling insecure and heavy when in the city, and all those around me felt the same, I noticed from their emotional reactions all day, but as soon as I was far enough for the city, I felt alright. This is when I realised that the same thing had happened to me and few others said "wow, me too".

We theorized that it may be mother nature that was sending negative waves on that day on the city, and other theorised that mother nature might have been in fact some other outside sources making a city trial. Strong enough to be sensed and reacted upon by everybody, but not enough to be obvious if you did not get out of the city.

One have to remember that the province of Quebec has been a CIA trial ground forever, starting with Mk Ultra in the fifties in our mental hospitals to revolutionary behavior in the seventies that were studied. We are a quite compact society, very quiet, with similar genetics and culture, an ideal to study the basis for whatever and then extrapolate.

[sdv]

Some wisdom from Michael Moore in the post Aurora and pre Sandy Hook interview (and, no, he is not anti gun control at all!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQb_i4Ik5k4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3HivK3V98Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNcTVIYmKxU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hoiwqmv3jKo

:peace:

PS This post is not a judgement of Alex (who raved in an entertaining way as he always does) and Piers (who was limited and narrow and uninspiring in his arguments). Both just recycled old information in contest with each other (albeit using different styles).

Michael Moore asks us to look deep within ourselves, reflect and embrace with courage a paradigm shift and transformation.

Hugs and peace.

[humanalien]

I don't think alex needs medication. He need peace in
the world. For to long now, the world has been in turmoil
and alex would like to see the end of it all. Not only him but
almost all inhabitants of earth. We all seek peace and good will.

Alex said that God showed him what is happening with little
children and what plans the tptb have for this planet and alex
just momentarily snapped under the pressure of it all.

He is right though. Many people by now, have a real good idea
of what i happening, even now, all of it bad and yet no one is
even lifting a finger to put a stop to it. Alex feels like he is alone
in what he does and he knows that he can't do it all himself. The
pressure of it is just to much. He is bound to have little break downs
like that.

He wasn't faking that cry he had. His eyes were swollen, in case you
didn't see it.

[AriG]

I don't think alex needs medication. He need peace in
the world. For to long now, the world has been in turmoil
and alex would like to see the end of it all. Not only him but
almost all inhabitants of earth. We all seek peace and good will.

Alex said that God showed him what is happening with little
children and what plans the tptb have for this planet and alex
just momentarily snapped under the pressure of it all.

He is right though. Many people by now, have a real good idea
of what i happening, even now, all of it bad and yet no one is
even lifting a finger to put a stop to it. Alex feels like he is alone
in what he does and he knows that he can't do it all himself. The
pressure of it is just to much. He is bound to have little break downs
like that.

He wasn't faking that cry he had. His eyes were swollen, in case you
didn't see it.

You are most correct humanalien! The apathy is confounding. Abuse after abuse, scandal after scandal, mankind just laps it up and moves on. No action. No change. Years of programming have produced a population that is completely desensitized to what our fore-bearers would have perceived as revolution producing. The point that I was attempting to make is that Alex needs to scare the "bejeezus" out of the Oppressors with his knowledge, not his emotion. He is a professional. He needs to take a giant deep breath, collect his thoughts, and present his information in a manner that the programmed can digest. We get him, of course. I would willingly step up to help Alex or any other truth seeker. I would lift all eight fingers and both thumbs. Unfortunately, none of these folks ever puts out a call to action, and as such, are dismissed as "conspiratainment", which is truly unfortunate. The more cynical amongst us would suggest that the Alex Jones' of the world are pressure release valves put in place by the Oppressors to make people believe that there is "someone out there" representing the little guy. Most simply do not take it seriously. Going postal on CNN does nothing to lend legitimacy to "the cause". IMHO of course.

xoxo

[PurpleLama]

Those weapons may be right in front, hidden in plain sight....

Anyone familiar with the patents that preceded cell phone technology? IIRC, Joseph Farrell has a bit to say about that in Genes, Giants, Monsters, and Men.

[Referee]

To me the picture is becoming very clear. Alex did not wake me up but his Ranting as Hip Hypnotist said did help me to stay my course.

They are coming for the guns plain and simple. They are IMO going to use an Iranian Hack attack to take down the financial sector. America will go into martial law resulting in WW III.

They want the guns before the banking collapse....Why? So they are not fighting a civil war at the same time they are at a threshold of WW III with an attack on Iran.

They may still mess it all up. A civil war in the US could prove very difficult to deal with even with their advanced Military Tech. Civil war could mean Military leaders turning against the Cabal.

IMO Alex won the debate. More and More Americans are paying attention. Check out this video of Larry Prat on PM last night.

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[Christine]

I greatly admire Alex Jones, he has put his life on the line, on the front line. We can criticize his mannerisms, rants and physical condition - we can calculate, draw conclusions and make assumptions about his motivations - but only he and he alone knows the call he answers and the purpose he has chosen to live by.

Imperfect humans we all are.

By his act of courage we are now being slapped into acute awareness of how close we are coming to the "show down". Some people are needed to embody what Alex Jones does, we are all different and all needed in what is yet to come.

I too am nervous, like a warrior before battle.

Christine

[AriG]

Let me be perfectly clear - I LOVE Alex Jones. Wasn't trying to condemn him, just making observations about how he might be more effective, and again, in my opinion. Unfortunately, I have seen quite a bit of 'pre-heart attack' stage as of late and it appears that Alex is headed in that direction. That would be a horrible loss.

That said, when one becomes a public figure, he opens himself up to scrutiny, albeit one of the Oppressors or one of the Good Guys.



I greatly admire Alex Jones, he has put his life on the line, on the front line. We can criticize his mannerisms, rants and physical condition - we can calculate, draw conclusions and make assumptions about his motivations - but only he and he alone knows the call he answers and the purpose he has chosen to live by.

Imperfect humans we all are.

By his act of courage we are now being slapped into acute awareness of how close we are coming to the "show down". Some people are needed to embody what Alex Jones does, we are all different and all needed in what is yet to come.

I too am nervous, like a warrior before battle.

Christine

[Bill Ryan]

I am nervous today, and can perceive the possibility of a complex series of clever traps closing on us all. Know that those who Alex rages about are real, that they are highly intelligent, cold and calculating, have weapons at their disposal that can affect people's emotion and rationality, and that (in George Green's words) believe they have already won. It may possibly be that they are now preparing the coup de grace.... read Doug Hagmann for more.

Part 1: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305
Part 2: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310

Note that Hagmann states that his source has authorized him to publish more after Obama's inauguration on 21 January. I trust my intuitions, and I feel on high alert at the moment. I share this with those reading this for what it may be worth.


Doug Hagmann on Alex Jones today. Starts at 38:40. (Gerald Celente comes on later in the show.)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nss00Z-v10
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_nss00Z-v10

[Arrowwind]

WE KNOW we must go out and reach our fellow man and speak our truth, regardless of the ridicule.

WE empathic humans need to recognize evil, look it square in the face, call it out from the shadows into the light of day, and REMOVE it from our planet. PERIOD!

There, that's my rant for today.

Interesting rant. Let's write this rant into some granit blocs and install those Avalon Guidestones somewhere on a symbolic place...

And how are we going to remove evil? are we going to pray it away? meditate it away, slay it away? starve it away? or perhaps all of these according to circumtance?
Personally I think starving it away may be the most pragmatic option. Feed not the monster.

[Arrowwind]

[My biggest worry: that Alex Jones consciously (or maybe far more likely, unconsciously) wants to go down like Bill Cooper. If this were to happen, we may be at the beginning of the end for liberty. It would be a planned shock that would run through the alternative media like 9/11 ran through mainstream America. It would be conceived as a warning; and a "Don't think you can mess with us" stand.

.

I think everyone is nervous. Why should we not all be terrified as our rights are being stripped away.

If they take Alex out they will make it look like a crazy person did it... it will be another false flag like event.
If they take Alex out I pray the people will rise up.
Our only recourse is to stop giving them our slave labor and our money.
A total boycott of the system will be required.

Before all is done we will be seeing more blood.
Better to prepare oneself phsychologically and to remember
all those who have died on the battlefield before us so that we
might have had what freedom that we have had.
They should not have lived and died in vain,
and neither should we.
We must remember the cost of freedom
that has been dearly and painfully paid though out history

[Tesseract]

My impression was that Alex's boisterous performance was contrived - by Alex himself, and that it was in line with what many had predicted. I do believe though that he was sincere in his points. Morgan's placid contrast was equally contrived.

A while back I spent some time searching the wikileaks stratfor cables to see who, if anyone, in the alternative community was under their watch. The only search strings that I got a lot of hits on were infowars and Alex Jones, make of that what you will. For the record, I didn't unearth any Project Avalon cables.

[jagman]

My impression was that Alex's boisterous performance was contrived - by Alex himself, and that it was in line with what many had predicted. I do believe though that he was sincere in his points. Morgan's placid contrast was equally contrived.

A while back I spent some time searching the wikileaks stratfor cables to see who, if anyone, in the alternative community was under their watch. The only search strings that I got a lot of hits on were infowars and Alex Jones, make of that what you will. For the record, I didn't unearth any Project Avalon cables.

i'm calling this straight up bull****! Sorry to the op. if your going to make these kind of allegations against Alex, You need to produce some kind of evidence.
People could call you a troll but does that make it true???

[Mike]

it's don't necessarily feel it's contrived..nor do i feel it's completely genuine. whenever you're in the public eye, you say and do things that you wouldn't necessarily say or do in a quieter moment. in other words, Alex Jones, while passionate, has become a bit of a character, has adopted a persona (maybe consciously, maybe sub-consciously)...and this has perpetuated itself throughout the years. so debating his genuineness is like splitting hairs in that sense, the shades of grey too slippery to quantify...though i agree with Bill that this type of passion and dedication would be mightily difficult to fake. DeNiro couldn't stay in character that long...

having said that, i winced throughout the entire...interview? (did it even qualify as an interview?) i was embarrassed for Jones. there is a time for emotion and a time for being clinical and calculated. it's an artful balance that Jones is incapable of, imo. the man *was* set-up; whether it was simply for ratings or something more sinister - who knows? either way, i feel very disappointed that an opportunity was lost here, an opportunity for an alt media figure to impress and really make a splash. credibility is big currency in this game...and Alex set us back a little bit here.

[kaon]

To me the picture is becoming very clear. Alex did not wake me up but his Ranting as Hip Hypnotist said did help me to stay my course.

They are coming for the guns plain and simple. They are IMO going to use an Iranian Hack attack to take down the financial sector. America will go into martial law resulting in WW III.

They want the guns before the banking collapse....Why? So they are not fighting a civil war at the same time they are at a threshold of WW III with an attack on Iran.

They may still mess it all up. A civil war in the US could prove very difficult to deal with even with their advanced Military Tech. Civil war could mean Military leaders turning against the Cabal.

IMO Alex won the debate. More and More Americans are paying attention. Check out this video of Larry Prat on PM last night.

n9z1wfgNf9E

Anyone who watches this video and others by Morgan should understand why Alex Jones had to steamroll him. In this video, Morgan was once again a pompous ass, rude, obnoxious and his name calling and personal attacks of Mr Pratt show his true colors.

BTW, I watched the Jones -v- Morgan video again today. I had previously said that Jone's message to the masses is important. The "likes" or "thumbs up" on the video were 3,878. The "dislikes" or "thumbs down" were 381.

[161803398]

Alex Jones is actually quite a sensitive person. He has a big heart but he's not a good speaker. And his language skills are poor. He is also not the type of person who can sit calmly and listen to someone like Piers. He probably cant fix that. He must have been stressed to begin with but he appeared to get worked up a bit suddenly at one point and its not clear what caused the shift.

Maybe the PTB were testing their weapon.

I'd just like to smack Piers.

[T Smith]

My biggest worry: that Alex Jones consciously (or maybe far more likely, unconsciously) wants to go down like Bill Cooper. If this were to happen, we may be at the beginning of the end for liberty. It would be a planned shock that would run through the alternative media like 9/11 ran through mainstream America. It would be conceived as a warning; and a "Don't think you can mess with us" stand.

I am nervous today, and can perceive the possibility of a complex series of clever traps closing on us all. Know that those who Alex rages about are real, that they are highly intelligent, cold and calculating, have weapons at their disposal that can affect people's emotion and rationality, and that (in George Green's words) believe they have already won. It may possibly be that they are now preparing the coup de grace.... read Doug Hagmann for more.

Part 1: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305
Part 2: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310

Note that Hagmann states that his source has authorized him to publish more after Obama's inauguration on 21 January. I trust my intuitions, and I feel on high alert at the moment. I share this with those reading this for what it may be worth.

This is once again an acute observation that cuts right to the heart of what I feel is going on. A few facts that make me "nervous" as well:

1. Alex Jones' audience has literally doubled over the past couple years.
2. More and more prominent and credible whistleblowers are appearing on his show.
3. Millions who before had no idea who Alex Jones was have now seen the infamous rant. This alone may alter the equations of the various predictive programing models that measure the inputs and outcomes of various "scenarios".

Are we on the eve of a colossal psyops already in the making? If once an annoying little fly on the hind end of the elephant, Alex Jones has nonetheless become a formidable force who reaches millions daily, and whose influence continues to grow. He also appears to know no bounds. Regardless of how his newfound notoriety discredits or legitimizes his growing popularity, it was a spat in the face and hard to interpret in any other way but a dangerous and threatening gesture to the establishment. He may have crossed a line. And it may require a counter from the power structure. Doug Hagmann's testimony would seem to support this notion.

I'm sure there are predictive programing models that calculate the effects of Bill Coopering a good many influential people in the alternative community, including Alex Jones. My speculation is until now the various outcomes may have negative consequences or may not suit the overall agenda in a cost/benefit analysis, or perhaps there may be white forces at play to balance the inputs and outcomes. Like Bill Ryan, however, after this latest episode I'm left nervous about how such a ripple might permeate the alternative community were it to happen and what it would signify.

It is likely the next false flag connected to the agenda to disarm the American people will involve someone associated with Alex Jones. It may be more effective to render him a eunuch rather than a martyr.

[161803398]

After watching Alex Jones say he had a fever, I think I understand. In the initial stages a fever can be quite deceptive to the person who has one and without warning they can become upset. Its happens to me every time I get a fever.

[Mike]

My biggest worry: that Alex Jones consciously (or maybe far more likely, unconsciously) wants to go down like Bill Cooper. If this were to happen, we may be at the beginning of the end for liberty. It would be a planned shock that would run through the alternative media like 9/11 ran through mainstream America. It would be conceived as a warning; and a "Don't think you can mess with us" stand.

I am nervous today, and can perceive the possibility of a complex series of clever traps closing on us all. Know that those who Alex rages about are real, that they are highly intelligent, cold and calculating, have weapons at their disposal that can affect people's emotion and rationality, and that (in George Green's words) believe they have already won. It may possibly be that they are now preparing the coup de grace.... read Doug Hagmann for more.

Part 1: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305
Part 2: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310

Note that Hagmann states that his source has authorized him to publish more after Obama's inauguration on 21 January. I trust my intuitions, and I feel on high alert at the moment. I share this with those reading this for what it may be worth.

This is once again an acute observation that cuts right to the heart of what I feel is going on. A few facts that make me "nervous" as well:

1. Alex Jones' audience has literally doubled over the past couple years.
2. More and more prominent and credible whistleblowers are appearing on his show.
3. Millions who before had no idea who Alex Jones was have now seen the infamous rant. This alone may alter the equations of the various predictive programing models that measure the inputs and outcomes of various "scenarios".

Are we on the eve of a colossal psyops already in the making? If once an annoying little fly on the hind end of the elephant, Alex Jones has nonetheless become a formidable force who reaches millions daily, and whose influence continues to grow. He also appears to know no bounds. Regardless of how his newfound notoriety discredits or legitimizes his growing popularity, it was a spat in the face and hard to interpret in any other way but a dangerous and threatening gesture to the establishment. He may have crossed a line. And it may require a counter from the power structure. Doug Hagmann's testimony would seem to support this notion.

I'm sure there are predictive programing models that calculate the effects of Bill Coopering a good many influential people in the alternative community, including Alex Jones. My speculation is until now the various outcomes may have negative consequences or may not suit the overall agenda in a cost/benefit analysis, or perhaps there may be white forces at play to balance the inputs and outcomes. Like Bill Ryan, however, after this latest episode I'm left nervous about how such a ripple might permeate the alternative community were it to happen and what it would signify.

It is likely the next false flag connected to the agenda to disarm the American people will involve someone associated with Alex Jones. It may be more effective to render him a eunuch rather than a martyr.




they are a sensitive bunch, aren't they?;) the establishment, i mean. they've polluted our skies, our food, our water, manipulated our economy to the point of peril, engaged in satanic ritual..killing young children and babies according to some, mislead us about our history, deliberately repressed our intellect and our spirituality, manufactured wars that have killed millions, have a plan in place to kill millions more..er..i mean de-populate the planet (wouldn't want to offend them, would i?) etc etc etc.....

and one spazzy, over-caffeinated polemicist screaming a few insults towards them is gonna get their panties in a bunch? wait a second, *we're* the ones who are supposed to be pissed off here, right?;)

[turiya]

Just wanted to add my 2 cents...
I agree with what Alex had to say however his style does not suite me and it is not for me to judge. I am from the mind set that you attract more flies with honey than vinegar. I would have loved it if Alex spewed out all he spewed out from a place of love not anger...


Well, I've been wondering for some 20 + years now... when are people going to start to get angry about what is going on with this country?

i.e., the undermining of the U.S. Constitution, the exploitation of Americans by the Internal Revenue Service sucking scum running ruffshod over hard-working Americans through the enforcement of a fraudulent so-called "income" tax, a private corporation the Federal Reserve taking control of our monetary system & printing 85 Billion dollars a month out of thin air (a hidden tax) & giving it to the banksters only to have them loan it back to the people from where they get it from & charging interest to boot, a group of international elitists (the Council on Foreign Relations) together with AIPAC making U.S. foreign policy that has the American government sending our young people to fight & die in wars for Israel, Multinational corporations & their lobbyists writing our domestic legislative bills & paying off our supposed legislative leaders to promote this trash (yes - you can call it Fascism), the criminal FDA in conspiracy with the pharmaceutical companies & psychiatrists melting down the minds of the young people that end up either committing suicide or doing school shootings (SSRIs, Prozac, Zoloft, Pristiq, Luvox, Effexor, Paxil, etc, etc. - the real cause behind the violent mass murders, not to mention the numbers committing suicide within our military - suicides out number those killed-in-action!).

When is anybody going to get angry about this stuff? When is anybody going to open up their apartment windows and yell out "I am mad as hell & I'm not gonna take it anymore!"

It may not be appealing to you, but its Alex's way of expressing his love for this country.
-*-

[T Smith]

Just wanted to add my 2 cents...
I agree with what Alex had to say however his style does not suite me and it is not for me to judge. I am from the mind set that you attract more flies with honey than vinegar. I would have loved it if Alex spewed out all he spewed out from a place of love not anger...


Well, I've been wondering for some 20 + years now... when are people going to start to get angry about what is going on with this country?

i.e., the undermining of the U.S. Constitution, the exploitation of Americans by the Internal Revenue Service sucking scum running ruffshod over hard-working Americans through the enforcement of a fraudulent so-called "income" tax, a private corporation the Federal Reserve taking control of our monetary system & printing 85 Billion dollars a month out of thin air (a hidden tax) & giving it to the banksters only to have them loan it back to the people from where they get it from & charging interest to boot, a group of international elitists (the Council on Foreign Relations) together with AIPAC making U.S. foreign policy that has the American government sending our young people to fight & die in wars for Israel, Multinational corporations & their lobbyists writing our domestic legislative bills & paying off our supposed legislative leaders to promote this trash (yes - you can call it Fascism), the criminal FDA in conspiracy with the pharmaceutical companies & psychiatrists melting down the minds of the young people that end up either committing suicide or doing school shootings (SSRIs, Prozac, Zoloft, ect. - are the real cause behind the violent mass murders).

When is anybody going to get angry about this stuff? When is anybody going to open up their apartment windows and yell out "I am mad as hell & I'm not gonna take it anymore!"

It may not be appealing to you, but its Alex's way of expressing his love for this country.
-*-

I was uncomfortable with it when I first saw it. (But perhaps that's just a deeply-instilled reaction I've been programed to have, which I wrongly supposed I was above). Then I began apologizing for it. Now it's just growing on me. Just today I began to view this exchange a little differently, as some kind of precedent. Alex Jones didn't come to debate Piers Morgan, he came to spew.... I think at the end of the day we may all find yet that there is some value to that.

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[Dennis Leahy]

...I am nervous today, and can perceive the possibility of a complex series of clever traps closing on us all. ... It may possibly be that they are now preparing the coup de grace.... read Doug Hagmann for more.

Part 1: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305
Part 2: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310




(from the second link above, supplied by Bill)

It’s people that are just under the national radar but are effective. They have to worry. Those who have been publicly marginalized already but continue to talk or write or post, they are in trouble. It’s people who won’t sell out, who think that they can make a difference. Those are the people who have to worry.
Think about recent deaths that everybody believes were natural or suicides. Were they? People are too busy working their [butts] off to put food on the table to give a damn about some guy somewhere who vapor locks because of too many doughnuts and coffee and late nights. And it seems plausible enough to happen. This time, when everything collapses, do you think they will care if it is a bullet or a heart attack that takes out the opposition? [Deleted] no.

Well, my heart is in excellent shape - vegan/organic/no fluoride, so if you hear I left for the spirit world that way, doubt it.

And, I won't commit suicide either.

And if you hear I went down in a blaze of gunfire, remember, I don't own a single gun* or bullet (nor any directed energy weapons.)

*yeah, I know, and I thought about it years ago. But when I stop and realize that if I was attacked by my government's forces, shooting a handful of cops or DHS agents or other government forces before they shoot me, what's the point? Really. I DO support US citizens right to have guns, and quite frankly, I'm glad there are millions of them in the hands of citizens, making the crooked government jumpy. But truth be told, I cannot save myself or my family with a few assault rifles and a few thousand bullets. It is a fantasy to believe that after you shoot some cops or DHS agents (the first wave to come after you) that you would then somehow win and they'd go away.

If the US erupts into battles between the US citizens and the Financial Elite's mercenary forces (the best armed, equipped, and connected hive of police-military force in the history of the world), what happened at the Branch Dividian in Waco will seem like a picnic. I'm glad all the guns make them nervous, but in the end, guns won't save me (or you), no matter how many mercenaries you shoot. So, I don't have any.

Oh, and if this plays out like it appears, when the SHTF, the Financial Elite and their minions at the top level of management will be far from any gunfire. Very far. Only mercenaries and citizens will face each other with guns. (Too bad the mercenaries were chosen for their attributes of sociopathy, loyalty, and low intelligence. They will do as they are ordered.)

Sorry...rambling on...

Dennis

[T Smith]

...I am nervous today, and can perceive the possibility of a complex series of clever traps closing on us all. ... It may possibly be that they are now preparing the coup de grace.... read Doug Hagmann for more.

Part 1: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305
Part 2: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310




(from the second link above, supplied by Bill)

It’s people that are just under the national radar but are effective. They have to worry. Those who have been publicly marginalized already but continue to talk or write or post, they are in trouble. It’s people who won’t sell out, who think that they can make a difference. Those are the people who have to worry.
Think about recent deaths that everybody believes were natural or suicides. Were they? People are too busy working their [butts] off to put food on the table to give a damn about some guy somewhere who vapor locks because of too many doughnuts and coffee and late nights. And it seems plausible enough to happen. This time, when everything collapses, do you think they will care if it is a bullet or a heart attack that takes out the opposition? [Deleted] no.

Well, my heart is in excellent shape - vegan/organic/no fluoride, so if you hear I left for the spirit world that way, doubt it.

And, I won't commit suicide either.

And if you hear I went down in a blaze of gunfire, remember, I don't own a single gun* or bullet (nor any directed energy weapons.)

*yeah, I know, and I thought about it years ago. But when I stop and realize that if I was attacked by my government's forces, shooting a handful of cops or DHS agents or other government forces before they shoot me, what's the point? Really. I DO support US citizens right to have guns, and quite frankly, I'm glad there are millions of them in the hands of citizens, making the crooked government jumpy. But truth be told, I cannot save myself or my family with a few assault rifles and a few thousand bullets. It is a fantasy to believe that after you shoot some cops or DHS agents (the first wave to come after you) that you would then somehow win and they'd go away.

If the US erupts into battles between the US citizens and the Financial Elite's mercenary forces (the best armed, equipped, and connected hive of police-military force in the history of the world), what happened at the Branch Dividian in Waco will seem like a picnic. I'm glad all the guns make them nervous, but in the end, guns won't save me (or you), no matter how many mercenaries you shoot. So, I don't have any.

Oh, and if this plays out like it appears, when the SHTF, the Financial Elite and their minions at the top level of management will be far from any gunfire. Very far. Only mercenaries and citizens will face each other with guns. (Too bad the mercenaries were chosen for their attributes of sociopathy, loyalty, and low intelligence. They will do as they are ordered.)

Sorry...rambling on...

Dennis

I often think about this in a concrete way as well. Does an armed citizenry with archaic weapons really matter? Would it really slow down a tyrannical government equipped with the best police-military force in the history of the world?

In the scenario you describe, no. I am in full agreement. There is just no way my 12-guage shotgun is going to match any army bent at my demise. But when envisioning the conundrum in a more abstract way, which I think is the true philosophical tenor underlying the 2nd Amendment, it becomes a little more fuzzy. We 300 million or so Americans vastly outnumber them, the few hundred or so controllers and their minions pulling the strings, but the uneasy elephant in the room (for them, and which I believe they understand) is almost all of that sophisticated police-military force in reality is driven by us. At the end of the day, that force still needs to engage an enemy that shoots back and can kill. Moreover, an enemy that doesn't look so much like your standard enemy. Granted, those among us who drive the machine as pawns of the power structure are at present largely conditioned to engage any enemy without too much questioning. They are largely asleep and one firing neuron or two above a zombified cognitive state, but in a situation where SHTF, lines may become blurry and much of that infrastructure might turn in on itself or fully break down, especially when our brothers and sisters are required to engage targets with culturally-familiar ties. All it would take, I believe, is the conditioning of a few to break down for the cowardice and the uneasy to follow, which would then serve to strengthen and legitimize the resistance and weaken the so-called best army in the world. And hence not so cut and dry and not so easy a battle to win. This dynamic might not occur so readily in a situation where the people are utterly defenseless and no more than helpless victims for the slaughter.

In short, it might not save me and my family, but at the end of the day I feel it does serve as an abstract check and balance.

[Mozart]

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/alex-jones-best-night-of-television-ever/


Piers Morgan (CNN) thought he might pump up his horrendous ratings and avoid having to go back to England. So he invited Alex Jones to come east and appear on his show.

They would discuss gun control and the petition to have Morgan deported. It would be good television. An interesting conversation. Perhaps things would get contentious.

But Morgan’s producers and bookers had made a fatal error of judgment.

To say Alex was loaded for bear is a vast understatement.

He crashed the television party in a way it’s never happened before.

You could call it: the internet invades mainstream media. But that doesn’t begin to do it justice.


Wow.


I do hope that Jon is right!

[Cidersomerset]

This is on D Ickes site,another discussion Piers has about gun ownership
this time with Ben Shapiro, interresting discusion the usual left, right
dispute ,but apart from the second ammendment's right to bear arms.
The argument hangs around the fact that the majority of recent mass
killings happened because assault weapons are availble.

Its difficult listening to these debates, when I want to shout 'MK Ultra'
mind controlled druged 'lone nuts', controlled specifically to carryout
elite agendas.Another boistrous interview !




LJdhAm_oUUs

[Curt]

The guns may not protect your family from 'state intervention', but they may be helpful in the days and months that follow any regional or national collapse or catastrophe.

At that stage, on a day to day basis, it won't be the government you're protecting yourself from. It would be other citizens who have gone bat-s*%t crazy from lack of food/water/shelter.

In that situation, it might be helpful to have the firearms.

[SilentFeathers]

I have come to the conclusion that Piers Morgan should be deported....or at least detained under the suspicion of "conspiracy to harm Americans" and investigated.

A foreigner coming to this country and having an agenda to disarm Americans and change the Constitution and US policy is ludicrous.

CNN'S MORGAN SLAMS DOWN CONSTITUTION, CALLS IT 'YOUR LITTLE BOOK'
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/01/10/CNNs-Morgan-Slams-Down-Constitution-Calls-It-Your-Little-Book

If an American went to another country and did what Piers has been doing especially since the Sandy Hook shooting they would at the minimum be deported, most likely detained until an investigation was completed.

Isn't people doing things what Piers Morgan is now doing one of the reasons our leaders are telling us why they wrote the Patriot Act and the NDAA etc for?????

ADDED: Piers Morgan, being a foreigner, is not even protected under the 1st Amendment (freedom of speech).....this really is ridiculous to what he is being allowed to do!

[RMorgan]

Folks,

These CNN debates are growing ridiculous.

They keep discussing about the ban of automatic assault rifles, but so far, I haven´t seen any debater pointing the most important issue, which is:

The government can´t control illegal drugs. The government can´t control illegal immigration. What makes you think that the government would be able to control the eventual illegal automatic weapons market?

And, to make things worse, the illegal gun market is mostly directed to criminals (obviously, that´s what the word illegal means).

So, prohibiting automatic weapons would most certainly only work for the honest citizens, while the criminals would most certainly still have free access to them. Period.

Another crucial point in this debate is:

By prohibiting automatic weapons, you´re just addressing a symptom. What should be really discussed is what is making people so violent. Addressing the symptoms, not the cause, is simply a waste of time. Period.

Throw these two arguments to Piers, and it´s over...I can´t understand why people don´t use such arguments.

Guys, every time I watch these debates I wish I was there to crush Piers arguments. The guy is plain ignorant...

I´m not even a citizen of the USA, so putting two foreigners to debate this issue would make things even worse, of course, lol.

However, as a world citizen, I am really worried about it, because the whole world tends to imitate the USA. If they start banning weapons up there, the whole world will follow, which would clear the ground for a worldwide dictatorship.

Raf.

[Dennis Leahy]

The guns may not protect your family from 'state intervention', but they may be helpful in the days and months that follow any regional or national collapse or catastrophe.

At that stage, on a day to day basis, it won't be the government you're protecting yourself from. It would be other citizens who have gone bat-s*%t crazy from lack of food/water/shelter.

In that situation, it might be helpful to have the firearms.I know what you mean Curtis, and I can run mental scenarios where it makes sense to me, but in the broad scope, I'm just not someone who demands to survive at all cost - including killing others. Some may see that as foolish, or weak, or both, but I just cannot envision shooting people who are grabbing my "earthy possessions", even my food for my family. If confronted, I will physically fight in defence. An armed intruder/home invader might meet up with a shuriken (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeZb0pQsOso) or two, but not a bullet.

Dennis

[SilentFeathers]

Raf, the majority of people here are so ignorant they don't even realize that fully automatic assault rifles are already illegal here....the bushmaster AR15 and like rifles sold legally here are semi automatic rifles built to look like an assault rifles. The high capacity magazines are what makes them more powerful or able to more damage faster as one doesn't need to reload as often, more importantly, what makes this rifle or any gun really dangerous is one being in the hands of a drugged up irresponsible idiot.

[jackovesk]

This is on D Ickes site,another discussion Piers has about gun ownership
this time with Ben Shapiro, interresting discusion the usual left, right
dispute ,but apart from the second ammendment's right to bear arms.
The argument hangs around the fact that the majority of recent mass
killings happened because assault weapons are availble.

Its difficult listening to these debates, when I want to shout 'MK Ultra'
mind controlled druged 'lone nuts', controlled specifically to carryout
elite agendas.Another boistrous interview !

LJdhAm_oUUs

:bump:

That's one hell-of-a-smart kid...:yes4:

Hope he stays on the good-side for a long-long time...:yo:

[Cidersomerset]

I am not deffending Piers Morgan, as far as I'm concerned hes sticking his nose in something that
does not concern him, and he winds me up when i listen to him.But I am watching ....

Unlawful Killing: Princess Diana's Death
http://consciousvideodirectory.webs.com/apps/videos/videos/show/17448863-unlawful-killing-princess-diana-s-death

on another thread and to his credit he says the death of Diana is suspicious and that he does not believe
British intelligence Chiefs when they said they do not assasinate people, just a side note, and please don't send him back Here ..LOL..

[Flash]

Folks,

These CNN debates are growing ridiculous.

They keep discussing about the ban of automatic assault rifles, but so far, I haven´t seen any debater pointing the most important issue, which is:

The government can´t control illegal drugs. The government can´t control illegal immigration. What makes you think that the government would be able to control the eventual illegal automatic weapons market?

And, to make things worse, the illegal gun market is mostly directed to criminals (obviously, that´s what the word illegal means).

So, prohibiting automatic weapons would most certainly only work for the honest citizens, while the criminals would most certainly still have free access to them. Period.

Another crucial point in this debate is:

By prohibiting automatic weapons, you´re just addressing a symptom. What should be really discussed is what is making people so violent. Addressing the symptoms, not the cause, is simply a waste of time. Period.

Throw these two arguments to Piers, and it´s over...I can´t understand why people don´t use such arguments.

Guys, every time I watch these debates I wish I was there to crush Piers arguments. The guy is plain ignorant...

I´m not even a citizen of the USA, so putting two foreigners to debate this issue would make things even worse, of course, lol.

However, as a world citizen, I am really worried about it, because the whole world tends to imitate the USA. If they start banning weapons up there, the whole world will follow, which would clear the ground for a worldwide dictatorship.

Raf.

You are wrong RMorgan, some faction of the government, official and hidden, are controlling the drug business and are controlling illegal immigration. They now want to render arm possession illegal so that they will control it as well. And make direct profit out of it.

Just look at how the mafia operates, you will know about today's govenrments and their affiliated families with 3 letters acronyms.

I was truly and anti guns persons before the Sandy Hook killings. Since, I have gotten much more nuanced in my thinking. In USA, guns are important it seems and I am starting to see why. It is part of the constitution and of the freedom granted. Which is not the case in other countries.

It the world were going to zero civilisation, I would want a gun too most probably. But this is another story.

[RMorgan]

You are wrong RMorgan, some faction of the government, official and hidden, are controlling the drug business and are controlling illegal immigration. They now want to render arm possession illegal so that they will control it as well. And make direct profit out of it.


I´m talking official language here, my friend. In this sense, I´m not wrong at all.

Start talking conspiracy language in such mainstream TV debates and you´re instantly labeled as conspiracy nuts.

When engaging in such debates, you have to reduce your points to extreme objectivity...You just can´t give your opposition the chance to label you as nuts and invalidate your arguments, like happened with Alex Jones...He was played like a pawn.

Raf.

[ExomatrixTV]

qvX2HhNLoVw

~when Piers says: "How Dare You ..." you can hear he is totally NOT convincing, a mix of crocodile tears & posing fake insult.
... the list of REAL PEOPLE exposing Piers Morgan is growing fast, I wonder how long he can stay on CNN serving the NWO Mafia Agenda: Global Enslavement by Big Corporations (corporatism).

~Piers is a Zionist Crimes Denier. Piers have been exposed being a 9/11 Government Propaganda mouth-peace big time! Piers playing dumb about how far Corporatism actually hijacking governments around the world. Piers defends Banksters.
Piers does not "believe" in conspiracies but DOES SO if it concerns him in England about the Hacking Scandal & him being accused of spreading fake news which made him leaving (fleeing) his own country. Piers willful ignores all signs of Government Tyranny!

John

[Arrowwind]

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/c0.0.373.373/p403x403/75087_415517655193276_1290250656_n.jpg

[Nickolai]

Steve,

Thank you for the link for Unlawful Killing.
I have always wanted to watch the movie but just could not find it.

Nickolai

[Cidersomerset]

Steve,

Thank you for the link for Unlawful Killing.
I have always wanted to watch the movie but just could not find it.

Nickolai

No problem Nickolai, I had been trying to watch it as well. Sabrina posted it on the Diana thread earlier
and its very interresting imo...Cheers Steve...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53797-What-was-MI6-team-doing-in-Paris-the-night-Princess-Diana-died

[Bill Ryan]

Bumping the thread, and :focus:

Here's a good place to continue the discussion:

http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7483

Big brother, dirty tricks: The “back-story”

By Douglas J. Hagmann (director@homelandsecurityus.com)
11 January 2013:

Having written a textbook on surveillance (Tactical Surveillance, ISBN 978-0-9796479-0-1) that has been used throughout law enforcement, for DHS training courses and at universities in their criminal justice programs, I understand its proper use and place in society and a legitimate tool for law enforcement. I originally wrote Tactical Surveillance after conducting over 8,000 separate assignments and performing over 40,000 man hours myself in both the criminal and civil venues. When people asked me how long it took me to write the book, my response was always the same: well over 20 years, as that’s how long I was performing surveillance operations at that time.

The text was based in large part on my field experience, and includes tactics that work and some that don’t. It also addresses the legal and moral aspects of surveillance, which are two distinctly different topics. Since its initial publication, in 2003, I received a lot of positive feedback from veteran investigators about this topic, as well as many examples of surveillance operatives crossing both legal and moral lines to a shocking extent. I have seen and heard legal testimony of surveillance operatives engaged in activities that would absolutely shock most people. That said, I understand its potential for abuse, or the “dark side” of investigators’ actions that cross boundaries into the cruel and absurd. When surveillance is used as a tool to intimidate, conducted beyond its legal parameters, or is used to entrap people into events in which they are forced to react, it should be a crime. Instead, it is often celebrated in many circles, including and especially by certain elements within the government.

My purpose for the writing the above is to provide the necessary context for what I’m about to disclose. A real-life, real-world situation that had it been effective, had the potential to irreparably damage the reputation and credibility of an individual.

On Thursday, 10 January 2013, I was a guest on Infowars and interviewed by Alex Jones, who had just returned from New York after his appearance on the Piers Morgan program. Without having the benefit of knowing off-camera events or talking to Mr. Jones about his trip to New York, I received information from my DHS source who admitted that he was the target of physical surveillance by at least two federal agencies. The entire explanation is contained within the video, accessible by clicking on the above image. There is more to the story, however, that provides inside into what is taking place to others at the hands of an out-of-control government.

What you need to know: it CAN happen to you

Everyone needs to understand that YOU can be targets of the same type of scenario – a scenario that has the potential to marginalize one’s message through the destruction of the messenger’s reputation.

According to my source within the DHS, Mr. Jones was not only the subject of a covert surveillance, but the target of an over surveillance and a special operation that had it been successful, would have been used as a tool to intimidate, embarrass, and ultimately destroy the reputation of Mr. Jones “beyond rehabilitation.” It is necessary to understand those two words: beyond rehabilitation. This means that regardless of any attempted explanation by the victim of such an operation, it would be virtually impossible to explain or overcome the lasting visual image resulting from the set-up.

The reason I know it is possible is that I’ve personally seen it done more than once, including to one well-known celebrity whose only crime was to attempt to provide assistance as a good Samaritan to a young woman who appeared to be in physical distress. Because that individual crossed the wrong person working in government, he was the victim of “Big Brother’s dirty tricks.” He nearly lost his marriage, his family, his home and career. I observed the video after the fact, and was privy to the carefully crafted editing that was done and prepared to be released at just the right time to offset the threat he posed to a certain political cause. To the glee of those who performed this covert operation, it was very effective. In the end, though, it did not work as planned, and the footage never saw the light of day due to circumstances I cannot reveal.

However, the fact that this takes place should concern every American, and should cause everyone to question the legitimacy of what is featured in various news outlets and on internet web sites.

The message & the messenger

According to inside information I received about the case involving Mr. Jones, it was the intent of certain “elements” within our own government to make him appear to be dangerous or a danger to others. The consequences could have been far reaching and extend beyond the obvious. Based on information from my source, consistent with my own personal observations during nearly 30 years of performing surveillance, such practices are being used more frequently to sway public opinion against both the messages and messengers of causes they feel threaten their grip on power. The greater the cause and more effective the messenger, the greater the risk.

Today, we are witnessing a very aggressive public relations campaign to adversely impact the effectiveness of the messengers and thus, the message. This is particularly true in all aspects relating to anyone standing up for God-given freedom and rights enumerated by our Constitution. We are facing a formidable enemy within our own government, with a nearly bottomless bag of dirty tricks that include high (and low) tech surveillance, who will stop at nothing to replace our rights with tyranny.

This is merely one tactic in use, but one that everyone should know about. Please watch the video and most importantly, understand the “game.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riIq2CHT6uY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=riIq2CHT6uY

[T Smith]

Folks,

These CNN debates are growing ridiculous.

They keep discussing about the ban of automatic assault rifles, but so far, I haven´t seen any debater pointing the most important issue, which is:

The government can´t control illegal drugs. The government can´t control illegal immigration. What makes you think that the government would be able to control the eventual illegal automatic weapons market?

And, to make things worse, the illegal gun market is mostly directed to criminals (obviously, that´s what the word illegal means).

So, prohibiting automatic weapons would most certainly only work for the honest citizens, while the criminals would most certainly still have free access to them. Period.

Another crucial point in this debate is:

By prohibiting automatic weapons, you´re just addressing a symptom. What should be really discussed is what is making people so violent. Addressing the symptoms, not the cause, is simply a waste of time. Period.

Throw these two arguments to Piers, and it´s over...I can´t understand why people don´t use such arguments.

Guys, every time I watch these debates I wish I was there to crush Piers arguments. The guy is plain ignorant...

I´m not even a citizen of the USA, so putting two foreigners to debate this issue would make things even worse, of course, lol.

However, as a world citizen, I am really worried about it, because the whole world tends to imitate the USA. If they start banning weapons up there, the whole world will follow, which would clear the ground for a worldwide dictatorship.

Raf.

Hi Raf,

These are outstanding points...

Unfortunately, if there were an outright gun ban, the government would not only "fail to the control the illegal weapons market," they would also facilitate and direct it accordingly to further other insidious agendas so to tighten the noose further around the necks of we serfs by fashioning yet more draconian laws and policies.

The downward spiral to the proverbial boot stamping on a human face forever continues....

[Cidersomerset]

These are real proffessionals trying to intimidate him live on film, well done Alex though I'd stay in Texas for a while !!

Very similar to how they got rid of Dianna !! intimidation, warning, murdered !

[T Smith]

You are wrong RMorgan, some faction of the government, official and hidden, are controlling the drug business and are controlling illegal immigration. They now want to render arm possession illegal so that they will control it as well. And make direct profit out of it.


I´m talking official language here, my friend. In this sense, I´m not wrong at all.

Start talking conspiracy language in such mainstream TV debates and you´re instantly labeled as conspiracy nuts.

When engaging in such debates, you have to reduce your points to extreme objectivity...You just can´t give your opposition the chance to label you as nuts and invalidate your arguments, like happened with Alex Jones...He was played like a pawn.

Raf.

Yup, it's brilliant. You come right back at them with an argument founded on their own false paradigm they use to manipulate the masses and there is absolutely no counter argument save for exposing the greater lie.

[SilentFeathers]

Much of what Hagmann says makes a lot of sense, but why is he being allowed to say so much without having a piano dropped on his head???? or his so to be source having a piano dropped on HIS/HER head????

If Hagmann is sincere, he must be being spoonfed in my opinion (he seems very sincere though to me for the most part).

Could they be using him and allowing certain info to go public????

ADDED: He seems to be painting DHS as an entitiy that we need to be very careful of and has huge power, to be "afraid" of, to "fear" (which I believe to be true). He's a great intimidation tool for them it seems for DHS to get their message out to cause fear and intimidate people....

[Alan]

I'm no fan of Piers but I tried checking those stats. Violent crime in the UK is not nearly at that level:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Violent-crime-rates-UK-1981-to-2007.png

20024

The US violent crime rate is a little lower than shown in the graphic:

There were an estimated 386.3 violent crimes per 100,000 inhabitants in 2011

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/violent-crime/violent-crime

[Rex]

I wouldn't necessarily trust wikipedia.

[Arrowwind]

...I am nervous today, and can perceive the possibility of a complex series of clever traps closing on us all. ... It may possibly be that they are now preparing the coup de grace.... read Doug Hagmann for more.

Part 1: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305
Part 2: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310




(from the second link above, supplied by Bill)

It’s people that are just under the national radar but are effective. They have to worry. Those who have been publicly marginalized already but continue to talk or write or post, they are in trouble. It’s people who won’t sell out, who think that they can make a difference. Those are the people who have to worry.
Think about recent deaths that everybody believes were natural or suicides. Were they? People are too busy working their [butts] off to put food on the table to give a damn about some guy somewhere who vapor locks because of too many doughnuts and coffee and late nights. And it seems plausible enough to happen. This time, when everything collapses, do you think they will care if it is a bullet or a heart attack that takes out the opposition? [Deleted] no.

Well, my heart is in excellent shape - vegan/organic/no fluoride, so if you hear I left for the spirit world that way, doubt it.

And, I won't commit suicide either.

And if you hear I went down in a blaze of gunfire, remember, I don't own a single gun* or bullet (nor any directed energy weapons.)

*yeah, I know, and I thought about it years ago. But when I stop and realize that if I was attacked by my government's forces, shooting a handful of cops or DHS agents or other government forces before they shoot me, what's the point? Really. I DO support US citizens right to have guns, and quite frankly, I'm glad there are millions of them in the hands of citizens, making the crooked government jumpy. But truth be told, I cannot save myself or my family with a few assault rifles and a few thousand bullets. It is a fantasy to believe that after you shoot some cops or DHS agents (the first wave to come after you) that you would then somehow win and they'd go away.

If the US erupts into battles between the US citizens and the Financial Elite's mercenary forces (the best armed, equipped, and connected hive of police-military force in the history of the world), what happened at the Branch Dividian in Waco will seem like a picnic. I'm glad all the guns make them nervous, but in the end, guns won't save me (or you), no matter how many mercenaries you shoot. So, I don't have any.

Oh, and if this plays out like it appears, when the SHTF, the Financial Elite and their minions at the top level of management will be far from any gunfire. Very far. Only mercenaries and citizens will face each other with guns. (Too bad the mercenaries were chosen for their attributes of sociopathy, loyalty, and low intelligence. They will do as they are ordered.)

Sorry...rambling on...

Dennis

I often think about this in a concrete way as well. Does an armed citizenry with archaic weapons really matter? Would it really slow down a tyrannical government equipped with the best police-military force in the history of the world?

In the scenario you describe, no. I am in full agreement. There is just no way my 12-guage shotgun is going to match any army bent at my demise. But when envisioning the conundrum in a more abstract way, which I think is the true philosophical tenor underlying the 2nd Amendment, it becomes a little more fuzzy. We 300 million or so Americans vastly outnumber them, the few hundred or so controllers and their minions pulling the strings, but the uneasy elephant in the room (for them, and which I believe they understand) is almost all of that sophisticated police-military force in reality is driven by us. At the end of the day, that force still needs to engage an enemy that shoots back and can kill. Moreover, an enemy that doesn't look so much like your standard enemy. Granted, those among us who drive the machine as pawns of the power structure are at present largely conditioned to engage any enemy without too much questioning. They are largely asleep and one firing neuron or two above a zombified cognitive state, but in a situation where SHTF, lines may become blurry and much of that infrastructure might turn in on itself or fully break down, especially when our brothers and sisters are required to engage targets with culturally-familiar ties. All it would take, I believe, is the conditioning of a few to break down for the cowardice and the uneasy to follow, which would then serve to strengthen and legitimize the resistance and weaken the so-called best army in the world. And hence not so cut and dry and not so easy a battle to win. This dynamic might not occur so readily in a situation where the people are utterly defenseless and no more than helpless victims for the slaughter.

In short, it might not save me and my family, but at the end of the day I feel it does serve as an abstract check and balance.

When it all comes down to it, if there comes a bloody revolution in the streets we must call upon and pray for a military coup. Ive been saying this for years now...and been bitten fiercly on this forum for my words... but I think people are starting to get what might actually come upon us... and I suspect aspects of the miliarty are in preparation