Divided We Fall

[Fred Steeves]

I've been noticing that it doesn't really seem any more difficult for awakening people to divide amongst themselves, even as a small community, than it is with the rest of society in general. We are not special, and do we really think we stand a snowball's chance in hell of actually uniting, and standing up to the big machine as one, when we're bickering over comparitively insignificant things like: Vegetarian vs. non vegetarian-Forgiveness vs. non forgiveness-Gun vs. anti gun-Proper ways to be truly "spiritual"?

Who gives a rat's ass, if I'm picking who I want to go into battle with, that would be the equivalent of: "Sorry, but you're gay. Nope, you're an atheist. Nope, you're black. Don't speak my language? Get lost. You're all four...? Well hell then, I'm just a gonna shoot you in the head."(LOL)

A line from Pink Floyd's "In The Flesh" comes to mind:


Now tonight we're gonna find out where your friends REALLY stand!

Are there any queers in the theatre tonight? Get 'em up against the wall! That one in the spotlight, he don't look right to me! Get him up against the wall! And that one looks Jewish... and that one's a coon! Who let all this riff raff into the room? That one's smoking a joint! And that one's got spots! If I had my way, I'd have all of you shot!
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A lot of people are more than just a bit on edge these days, a lot of us are feeling some funky energies swirling around, and a lot of us are under a lot of pressure. It's not an easy time to be alive, and rapidly getting even more difficult and frustrating.

I don't know about ya'll, but this place is like a refuge for me, to talk about things with other like minded people that would go over like a lead zeppelin most anywhere else. I'm just saying can we cut each other a bit of slack is all. Our vast differences may just be the key to solving this puzzle, if we allow for them.

There are atleast two things we all have in common: We march to our own drummers, and we want to be free.

Cheers,
Fred

[Freed Fox]

I have to agree completely, a point well made (bonus points for quoting Pink Floyd in a relevant way, too ;)).

I haven't participated in the discussions you've mentioned, but I have in others which were devolving into argumentative muck. I try to voice moderation, understanding, and respect when I perceive them faltering, of course I don't always succeed. I would guess that I am not well enough known or respected to really be that voice in many instances.

I can't blame anyone for being impassioned by these issues which seem important from a material view. However it can become a trap and limit our focus and energies.

As you said, divided we fall. If one buys in to the various theories regarding the illuminati or NWO, one should realize that their biggest threat is something like Avalon. Unless, of course, it is weakened, distracted, or disintegrated by its own members.

We must see the forest for the tress.

[Cidersomerset]

I don't know about ya'll, but this place is like a refuge for me, to talk about things with other like minded people that would go over like a lead zeppelin most anywhere else. I'm just saying can we cut each other a bit of slack is all. Our vast differences may just be the key to solving this puzzle, if we allow for them.

Spot on Fred.......


I thought what was the first song i could think of to describe our hopes & dreams..

and this came to mind, LOL,,,Certainly not one I usually play !!


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The alternate community is as broad a church as any , from are we 'Starbeings'
incarnating here for the final push to awaken Humanity....To do Starbucks pay
enough Tax... and 1001 subjects inbetween ...LOL

As Fred Says try not to fall out over things you may not find as important
as someone else who passionely does, and if you are having a bad day
don't take it out on a fellow 'truth seeker' , just agree to disagree on
what ever subject it maybe. Cheers Steve...

[christian]

TPTB feed off of the "loosh" that is created, when we give in to all this stupid infighting, drama, and so on. It's that simple. Countless beings push us towards doing this, because they feed off of the energy that we create along the lines. By realizing that this is the agenda, many questions about the details of their actions can be seen from that perspective. Everything that makes us create more loosh for them is fair enough. This pattern is in a way deeply rooted by now in humanity, but then again we're making it loose and shaking it off, don't we? We're finding our center and increasingly refuse to be harvested by parasites.

It's really a good question to ask yourself, I find, "who am I feeding right now with my attitude?" and being very clear about what pushes you towards doing what to achieve what.

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Now this doesn't mean that every dissent is bad. It's really about the energy that you create along the lines, how you handle dissenting opinions. And that can be seen, that shows, of course, whether physically, energetically, or on this forum.

[Wind]

There is something going on the energetical level. I just can feel it and it makes some people really tense. Maybe all of us sometimes need just to chill out and breathe in and out before taking part in conversations.

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[spiritguide]

It takes R-E-S-P-E-C-T. When the people get to the point of depravation of basic needs they wont care where the next meal or drink of clean water comes from or whether he/she has a label. In reality the majority of this society can loose everything within a short period and they refuse to admit it to themselves. Reality has become fiat and the drumming beat is a constant buy more and continue to waste while you stare at the tube. The government of protect the people has become the government of abusing it's citizens, sad reality. The shame is that the citizens are not objecting this inhumanity as a whole, regardless of their percieved label. Our founding fathers and our ancestors would not allow this but we let fear stand in our way. We must remember we are all born free and manifested through love. No government on earth has a right to treat us otherwise. Take back your life and respect it forever. IMHO

:peace:

[GloriousPoetry]

Thank you Fred for making this point. As a community we should focus our attention and energies on spiritual empowerment. I for one have made the decision not to participate in threads that are insignificant to my spiritual growth.

[Hip Hipnotist]

I'll drink to that!

Knock it off, Fred. I'm getting pretty hammered these dayz. ;-))))))))))))))))

[Carmen]

Ah, live and let live. Everyone is doing the best they know given their upbringing, education, country of origin, religion etc. My responsibility is to be the best I can be and allow everyone else the freedom of choice to do or be however they wish. Acceptance allows others the ability or opportunity to relax in our company. Judgement or control causes others to put up their defences or react in some way.

I find the frequency or vibration of me is mirrored back to me in the people I meet. I very rarely meet angry, reactive people any more and if I do it's something in me that I need to look at. This isn't touchy feely idealistic stuff either. This is my life and its a lifelong study.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

TPTB feed off of the "loosh" that is created, when we give in to all this stupid infighting, drama, and so on. It's that simple. Countless beings push us towards doing this, because they feed off of the energy that we create along the lines. By realizing that this is the agenda, many questions about the details of their actions can be seen from that perspective. Everything that makes us create more loosh for them is fair enough. This pattern is in a way deeply rooted by now in humanity, but then again we're making it loose and shaking it off, don't we? We're finding our center and increasingly refuse to be harvested by parasites.

It's really a good question to ask yourself, I find, "who am I feeding right now with my attitude?" and being very clear about what pushes you towards doing what to achieve what.

---

Now this doesn't mean that every dissent is bad. It's really about the energy that you create along the lines, how you handle dissenting opinions. And that can be seen, that shows, of course, whether physically, energetically, or on this forum.

We don't need to agree on everything to be friends.

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[Anchor]

Division, groups being made, broken, remade, changing and morphing are just the way it has to be for free people. The law of attraction sees to it that we each get what we need - so flexibility in the system is essential for that to be possible and for each to find those that complement them.

Seeking to create conditions where we do not "divide against ourselves" seems to me like a control tactic. One designed to work against this freedom to associate and group/associate with whomsoever we wish.

In terms of beating the elite - the sheer numbers of the awakening masses vs the small numbers of "the elite", mitigates against the fact that we will suffer by not having that force multiplier of rigid control and efficient grouping. What we will have is freedom - unstoppable freedom.

The more mistakes they make, the harder it is for them to cover things up, the more that this is so.

Not over in an instant but its happening (in my humble opinion).

Stand your ground. Do what thou wilt. Be kind to each-other and yourself.

[RUSirius]

I dont know about everyone else but I'm tired of Fred making perfect sense. Thanks alot Fred.:rolleyes:

[Fred Steeves]

Division, groups being made, broken, remade, changing and morphing are just the way it has to be for free people. The law of attraction sees to it that we each get what we need - so flexibility in the system is essential for that to be possible and for each to find those that complement them.

Hey there John, that very well may be, but is division really the natural human way of being? How free are we really of our deeply embedded programming? Suppose we actually did go through a Tower Of Babel type event, and suddenly a people working together as one are scattered, all speaking different "languages". After several generations, being scattered and arguing with other groups would be the norm, but it would be the new norm, an invalid norm. Would it not?


Seeking to create conditions where we do not "divide against ourselves" seems to me like a control tactic. One designed to work against this freedom to associate and group/associate with whomsoever we wish.


Not quite sure where you're going with this one. If you're saying my opening post is along the lines of a "control tactic", I'm just not seeing it. I'm not trying to set conditions for anyone to do anything, just suggesting we try cutting each other some slack in pressured times. That's all brother. Surely you and Mrs. Anchor practice this, as do me and the lovely Mrs. Steeves, otherwise none of us would presently be married, much less happily married. http://nexusnow.info/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

[skippy]

We always had and always will have the choice between:

Division -> Separation-> Fear -> Scarcity -> Aggression -> Possession -> Take -> Destroy

OR

Oneness -> Unity -> Love -> Abundance -> Peace -> Share -> Give -> Heal

With thanks to TimelessDimensions

[Abhaya]

Fred brings up some great points here. I think his posts were at least partially motivated by his interaction on this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54066-If-slaughter-houses-had-glass-walls.... . There for I felt the need to mention a few things. While I agree we must not become divided, I would say that disagreeing over one issue should certainly not leave any stark divisions. And in fact there are lots of issues worth passionately arguing for. This issue in particular may in fact question where we draw that line which decides just who is the "we" that we are deciding to include, in undivided purpose. I would highly reccomend looking at this thread, in just two days, over 10 pages of thought provoking ideas on both sides of the argument were put forth. And while again the debate did get heated, and people did attack each others logic (only natural in a debate) in the end the two who were going at each other arguably the most made sure to tell each other via pm that while we were going to have to disagree on that issue, we respected each other in every other way and had no hard feelings. And as a result of the debate there is now a ton of info for people debating the pros and cons of eating or not eating meat. So I just wanted to make sure that this thread didn't prevent people from engaging in that one :)

[gripreaper]

You hit the nail right on the head Fred. I'm worried that your thanks to post ratio might be getting higher than mine though, with all the sense you're making these days.

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[Anchor]

Division, groups being made, broken, remade, changing and morphing are just the way it has to be for free people. The law of attraction sees to it that we each get what we need - so flexibility in the system is essential for that to be possible and for each to find those that complement them.

Hey there John, that very well may be, but is division really the natural human way of being? How free are we really of our deeply embedded programming? Suppose we actually did go through a Tower Of Babel type event, and suddenly a people working together as one are scattered, all speaking different "languages". After several generations, being scattered and arguing with other groups would be the norm, but it would be the new norm, an invalid norm. Would it not?


Seeking to create conditions where we do not "divide against ourselves" seems to me like a control tactic. One designed to work against this freedom to associate and group/associate with whomsoever we wish.


Not quite sure where you're going with this one. If you're saying my opening post is along the lines of a "control tactic", I'm just not seeing it. I'm not trying to set conditions for anyone to do anything, just suggesting we try cutting each other some slack in pressured times. That's all brother. Surely you and Mrs. Anchor practice this, as do me and the lovely Mrs. Steeves, otherwise none of us would presently be married, much less happily married. http://nexusnow.info/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

Not quite. Lets see if I can elaborate.

If we act in the manner of "following rules" or "peer pressure" to maintain harmony within a group, we won't succeed in the long run; because these are controls that manipulate us. Many groups enforce "sameness", "conformity" and "rules" on their members - cults are an extreme example, especially as often the freedom to leave such a group is taken away - same for the elite groups - you can't leave alive.

Forums a very much less extreme example!!! :)

Western life is an extreme example!!

Just because control tactics are used, doesn't make them bad - so long as freewill is maintained and people always have a free choice; but the control is beyond that at all but the highest levels of our being - beyond our current conscious knowledge - where we opted to play our part the game.

Consider the history of this forum. In times past small groups have split off and formed other discussion groups outside the umbrella of this one. I went along with some of those groups as did others, but I noticed that there were some elements of "peer pressure" applied to try to influence whether this was considered right or wrong, loyal disloyal etc. In my own case, I do what I want to do and the judgement of others is to me simply perceived as statements of opinion. I play the game how I want to play it basically and my freewill is thus intact. As it was for those that left.

One could say Avalon was weakened during these events, but I see it as an inevitable function of freewill. But all along there are those who attempt to marshal and control groups in order to work towards a common shared goal - and to me this is a fair game and a natural function of leadership.

Yet we all know, that groups like Avalon do work best when people work together in alignment with common goals and common purposes. The elite know this as well, VERY WELL - there is even a training organization called Common Purpose used for people who have functions within the lower levels of the elite hierarchy. (Check out some of Tony's posts on that here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50836-Our-Governments-are-the-terrorists.) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52431-How-does-it-cost---30.000-for-two-metal-signs-...UK-Highways-Agency.)for examples.

If we are to have perfect freedom, then we have to accept that not everyone is the same. Groups will come and go, just as shared purposes, plans and goals come and go. In my idealized "anarchy" of the future, this is how it will be; with each taking their brothers' need as measure for their action. Those in the sphere of a "need" will align and act to meet it, and then move on, thus a group comes and goes, with no harm done and shared experience had, and needs met efficient and effectively with no overall hierarchical control systems required!

The keys are responsibility and an overall bias towards service to others. This is love on a grand scale, and is the magic glue that enables a harmony and a divine order to operate among the overall population/social complex of a free people - each able to follow their own hearts. Sufficient tolerance given by each and understanding from others that we are not all the same and that differences and divisions will happen, and the social complex will evolve harmoniously because of that towards the higher expressions of love, wisdom, compassion, balance (this is knowledge) and ultimately (this is assumption) reunion with creation.

Currently, as you say, this order has been over ridden by those who aimed to control by lies deception and social conditioning - something that we do need to overcome, and eventually we will on this planet - by the workings of light and love. The elite built a giant sandcastle that distorts and blocks the flow of love, bent to their objectives - a very clever and sophisticated thing and we all think its real and its so clever that the very great majority of us unwittingly lend our power to this creation and keep it real.

Some of us, in increasing numbers are realizing the deception. So we (you me others) are knocking it down bit by bit now, and the way I see it we may even manage to do it and move on, before the tide comes in and does it for us.

Do this make it any clearer?

[Fred Steeves]

Do this make it any clearer?

Sure, I guess...Just that I'm really a simple man at heart John, so I like to keep things simple. I like parables, put it that way. Actually, you basically summed up what I was trying to get across when you ended your previous post with this beauty:


Stand your ground. Do what thou wilt. Be kind to each-other and yourself.

[jackovesk]

I'll call this one the exploding 'Bubble of Consciousness'...

For all our differences, the human 'Consciousness' forms into a beautiful translucent mass just before it explodes...:attention:

It really is 'Ticking Timebomb' for the PTW and their minions...:boom:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6vbDKTh5R0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6vbDKTh5R0

PS - So you see our differences are irrelavent...:yo:

[Kryztian]

I have only been on Avalon a few months, and overall, my general impression is of a harmonious place here, where people exchange different ideas about some very conventional topics, with sometimes radically different views. Occasionally things get out of hand and I did see that one person had to be banned from the group and it was probably a good thing for the grou and for the person who was banned to help them on their path. To me, the truth is discovered because different people are willing to exchange ideas and dialogue ensues.

I guess the problem with an internet forum is that you can read someones typed words, but you don't always know the emotion, the tone of voice, the intention behind it. You and I can read a the same thread, and one of us might see a lively conversation, and the other might see an angry debate. If we were all sitting down at a dinner party having this same conversation face to face, we would understand it better.

Ideas are important and can help change the world. We also need to know that these ideas might get us though the next hundred years, but if we were to be alive one hundred years from now, we would probably have very different ones. If we humans are here in 2113 AD, we will have very different ideas about vegetarianism and guns.

My advice is to share your ideas and be open to the opposing ideas of others, and not to get to attached to them, because like the food in your pantry, they have a shelf life, and they are meant to nourish us, and not be held on to forever. We are all like the blind men grasping the elephant trying to figure out what it is, each of us grasping a different part. If we approach it with that attitude that we are all collaborating, we might find enjoy our time here on Avalon a lot more.

[music]

Below is a simple truth worth repeating.


We always had and always will have the choice between:

Division -> Separation-> Fear -> Scarcity -> Aggression -> Possession -> Take -> Destroy

OR

Oneness -> Unity -> Love -> Abundance -> Peace -> Share -> Give -> Heal

With thanks to TimelessDimensions

Seeking harmony is not a control mechanism, and neither is it something that can be enforced. Respect for others is a natural by-product of awareness, but while we are all getting to the point where we are firmly seated within our true nature, a little conscious effort to be kind to each other will go a long way. The only part of us that benefits from conflict is the ego, 'nuff said.

[MaroonLagoon]

Fred, I had the phrase "don't let divided we fall happen" stuck in my head the few days before you posted this :)

[music]

Fred, I had the phrase "don't let divided we fall happen" stuck in my head the few days before you posted this :)

We share one consciousness.