Their Mind and the Emotional Matrix that we create with it.

[Mark]

Ok, that makes sense, but doesn't it sort of infer that "Anglo-Saxons" have mostly recessive genes and the "browner side" have more dominant? is this based on anything or just a baseless fear?

No, it seems to be a real fear. Based on biological rules of dominance and recessiveness. People are generally and individually a mixture of both, depending upon their heritage. On top of all of that, it seems that the white populations in Europe and also in the US are not reproducing. Not meeting the replacement rate of 2.1 per family, so the population of whites across the world is falling. In a real biological sense, the alarmists do have a point.


I think my fault was in assuming that this was an all encompassing thing, obviously it will only work on those it works on ( the very reason why there are so many of these types of attacks, gotta find the right trigger for the right people etc..) which is probably also why I personally don't get it, I love hybrids, in the animal world there is a thing referred to as "hybrid vigor" My dogs are "hybrids" (though long established, a mix between Ridgebacks and Mastiff) to an amazing result, I can't see how this would be different with humans.

There is research to state that it is the same. I suppose America is the country in the world that is the most "hybridized" of them all. Nobody can say that Americans are not vigorous.


I think you'd be very hard pressed to find racism in the military, unless it was against "whites" as promotion for minorities is looked on VERY favorably, and female minorities even more so (perhaps a bit of that over correction you were speaking of, but again, not to cover up prejudice..)

I will take your word for it as you are active duty. This is the reason why military and government service has been so eagerly adopted by minority populations over the past 3 or 4 generations. More accountability and transparency in its procedures than in the civilian world.

It is mind-boggling when considered. The interlocking systems of energy production and transfer, each contributing to the whole, some systems contributing more, others less. The military interacting with the government, both interacting with the states, interacting with the regions and localities, comprised of the people. The only way this can be conceivable as a process and a consciousness is if the Archons are a collective hive mind, as Casteneda/Don Juan stated.

While each of us, individually, is compromised to a greater or lesser extent, with our own personal Archonic presence either fully engaged or disengaged due to spiritual/mental work, other individuals can be brought to bear instantly and automatically in order to re-engage us if it is perceived by an individual unit of the Archon collective, the entire field of awareness knows it and can react at whatever level of control necessary. Which gives rise to some questions:

1. What is the Archonic Hierarchy?

2. Within the hive mind, is there a Queen, as with Bees or Ants or the Borg?

3. Must one hide from the system when one has achieved freedom, like the Toltec warriors, as exemplified by Don Juan, or like the Monks and Nuns of Qum'ran, hidden on a mountain in the desert in Southwest Asia?


So really I am not qualified to comment though I did feel a somewhat deep sigh that here of all places it should matter.

Hi, Gardner. The GWSS is a global system. Archonic control came through GB to even get to the Americas. The Central Banks coming out of GB, Germany and France are a major part of the Archonic Control Hierarchy and super-structure of the worldwide system, even today. Great Britain is implicit within the system as well, with roots as deep as America, although the history is different. The slave trade as practice by GB was quite different from how the Spanish and the Portugese practiced it for a couple hundred years prior to GB entering it. They restricted slavery to very low numbers for quite a long time, did not want the Americas to become "overrun" with Africans.

Then, when GB, France, the Netherlands and other Northern European countries got into the mix, it was a free for all and the most brutal period of the trade, as capitalism became paramount, rather than "royal dispensations", as was the case with the Spanish and Portugese, who only allowed certain Conversos and Jewish merchant houses to sell and transport slaves throughout that time period.

As for this topic occurring here in PA, even this space is a part of the system, although a consciously more Awake and Aware part of it. I am aware that racism is an uncomfortable sub-topic of the overall uncomfortable topic of Archon invasion and control.

But it is necessary to reveal as much of it as possible. My contributions in this regard to this thread is an attempt to make us all even more awake and aware.

Don't sigh, smile. Take the information as enlightening, as it pertains to things that many people have no awareness of, as you have indicated was the case with yourself in your own personal experiences.

[modwiz]

I'm out of my depth intellectually here, but....

Isn't this over-emphasized friendliness just a kind of guilt? Perhaps an unnecessary guilt brought on by the 'felt' need to apologize on behalf the race one identifies with?

Is guilt perhaps one of the most harmful and sneaky emotions there is?

Maybe guilt about an emotion leads to repression causing explosion, aiding the leakage and collection of the loosh by outside entities? As Rahkyt said, Yum!

I see and use guilt as an alarm. It tells me that there is a friction or disharmony between two parts of my self. Like any alarm, which is usually a trip mechanism, the mental body should go and have a look at things. What is the disharmonic? Where is the clash of ideas/feelings? Is it objectively valid or is it just programming?

Now there is a whole subset of conversation that could follow here. Theft could be a discourse in itself. Poor versus rich would be part of that topic. Why is one rich/poor is another deeper conversation. Theft as violation rather than need is another aspect.

Back to guilt. It is a trip mechanism. When it goes off have a good look at what set it off. We will often learn much about ourselves from a deeper look at what causes the guilt response.

[Gardener]

Yes R I can see it has been and still is a huge loosh fest, the suffering has been enormous; and I am grateful that you can include it in discussions about division and triggering without us feeding them lol. That's the secret, to remove the feeding tubes, and yet support those who are still suffering the effects. IMHO

[Curt]

One of the most interesting documentary films I've ever seen was a movie called, 'The Color of Fear.' I watched it for a sociology course in college.

When I watched it, I approached it cynically--assuming it would be just another slapped together documentary about how racism is bad. Something that would only provoke a whole lot of unproductive guilt.

Happily, I was wrong. It changed the way I look at things.

The film is essentially just a dialogue between a small group of men, each from different ethnic and racial groups, entirely on the subject of race.

It starts out with the kind of formal niceness you might expect. But it gets real pretty quickly.

It was the first piece of media that opened my eyes to how race works and what race does to people.

For anyone who hasn't seen it and has an hour to spare, definitely check it out. Imo, it's well worth it.

Here is the link: hswHYWS5GPs

[Belle]

My mom raised my brother and I with guilt and shame...her control mechanism (I was raised catholic...surprise, surprise). She continues to use it to this day as a manipulation device...tho' I don't know why. It hasn't worked in years. I spent a lot of time and hard work to purge the voice of shame that would fill me...even after it was no longer her voice, but 'their mind' echoing her words.

Told both my children when they were fairly young that if I ever tried to use guilt or shame on them to make me aware of it...a concern I had about unconsciously using what had been used on me growing up. Didn't take long...in the middle of a loud 'discussion', my then teenage daughter put her hands on her hips and said "pack your bags...we're going on a guilt trip". I was stunned to silence...then laughed so hard tears streamed down. Lesson learned.


So glad we are finally talking about racism. Thank you, Rahkyt. It is one of their most successful programs...it runs silent and deep. It must be brought out into the open to be broken...yet most people are terrified of even speaking the word.

Moving to Louisiana for a time opened the eyes of this damn Yankee to the extent of damage that rampant prejudice can have on society...at least in the little town I lived in. Shook a few people up, especiallly my former mother-in-law, when I would go to the black baptist revival services down the street from her home. The only white face in the place...I would dance and dance to some of the most joyful music I ever heard (drums in a church? awesome!) with some of the nicest people I have ever had the pleasure to be friends with. I think she was quite relieved when we divorced.

[Flash]

I'm out of my depth intellectually here, but....

Isn't this over-emphasized friendliness just a kind of guilt? Perhaps an unnecessary guilt brought on by the 'felt' need to apologize on behalf the race one identifies with?

Is guilt perhaps one of the most harmful and sneaky emotions there is?

Maybe guilt about an emotion leads to repression causing explosion, aiding the leakage and collection of the loosh by outside entities? As Rahkyt said, Yum!

I see and use guilt as an alarm. It tells me that there is a friction or disharmony between two parts of my self. Like any alarm, which is usually a trip mechanism, the mental body should go and have a look at things. What is the disharmonic? Where is the clash of ideas/feelings? Is it objectively valid or is it just programming?

Now there is a whole subset of conversation that could follow here. Theft could be a discourse in itself. Poor versus rich would be part of that topic. Why is one rich/poor is another deeper conversation. Theft as violation rather than need is another aspect.

Back to guilt. It is a trip mechanism. When it goes off have a good look at what set it off. We will often learn much about ourselves from a deeper look at what causes the guilt response.

Your post triggered just a small comment here.

Guilt has been hugely used by the Catholic church to control people. I think it is a mental/loosh framework of the entire Christian community. As soon as you have the original sin, you have guilt. Now there is this controlling guilt, used by controllers, and there is the genuine guilt, such I hit someone because I was jalous, realise it and want to correct. The latter is short lived and resolve is fast (although I think it is still base on archonic stuff). The original sin and its guilt is the way to control in individualistic societies.

In Moslem countries, guilt does not work that much. What is usually used is shame. From the muslims up to China. All collectivist societies will use shame. You shame my family by being raped, then we will kill you to save face, you shame me by castigating me, this is the worst punition. You do not have eternal condemnation in those societies, but with shame, you have the immediate community/society condemnation, often outcasting you. It could even jeopardize your life at some point. Shame is used to control people.

When working abroad or exploiting abroad, the white people had understood very well that shame should be used. So they used it, like I am superior, you are inferior and should be ashame to even exist. Psychopaths also know how to use both, shame and guilt. Finally, new agers will use guilt by saying "you are entirely responsible for every single thing happening to you" when someone is not emotionnally/spiritually/informationnally ready to hear this. And the new agers did use shame on us when we were teenagers for not being like other, if we were not new agers or did not want to have free sex (I clearly remember that one at sixteen from a 27 years old).

If you would see the wild fire of fashion in collectivist societies, much worst and much faster than in individualistic ones, you would know what is meant by using shame to sell products.

I would have much to say about racism as well, on both side of the fence, and sexism, but for another time.

Now I will go back to my western guilt and do my homework before my course tomorrow morning. LOL In case the eastern teacher wants to shame me for not having done it. LOL

Edit: lucky the comment was small, what will it be when it is a long one!!!:sarcastic:


Belle, yes, the guilt trip in catholic families, often with those words: you should, you could, you could have, you should have, you shouldn't. When a phrase starts with these, I have goosebumps, my brain freezes so that nothing will get into it any further, to avoid the harm. Thanks to NLP, I have learned to say what? Should and could does not exist anymore or and what if? or so what? and f ck!

[9eagle9]

The Anglo Saxon Mission sort of thing is a very peculiar paradigm and meant to blur and hide.

Anglo would be English as the term stands now and Saxon indicates the House of Sax-Coburg which is Germanic in nature. What is curious is for those white races that would not have any prejudices against those of color (and I don't mean just black but people of color--yellow, brown, black, red) the conditions had to be made.

The Irish were assimilated by the English . The Vatican first came in and chewed them up. Then English came in and spat them out. And that blood was attempted to be forced into that line. The Irish should know better (certainly didn't know any differently) about slavery having been enslaved for god knows how long. It was different than the African slavery that Africans were exported from Africa to be slaves by the English, the English simply moved into Ireland to enslave the Irish.


The Irish (and other immigrants) who sought to escape the enslavement of their country were met here in the US by the program of "Black People will take your Job". The Emancipation Proclamation roughly coincides with the arrival of many Irish Immigrants who should probably know better the implications of slavery having just escaped it themselves. Yet that is what they were indoctrinated with. You escaped one prison and now you won't be able to support yourself in this new land because these free blacks are taking your jobs.

It's been a matter of curiosity to me. The English regarded both Africans and the Native Americans as savages. Why didn't they move to America and simply enslave the Native Americans. I know in some instances that occurred but not like on the scale of how it happened in Ireland. Or maybe they didn't know the terrain as well as they did in Africa. Or the scope of what they were getting in to because much of the country was still uncharted and held by foreign nations.

But it goes back to the Anglo Saxon which seems to have developed itself from Germanic bloodlines in that part of Europe. Curiously enough the Vatican no longer has popes that are Latin. They are now emerging from those portions of Europe. Personally I think its the Vatican running the show or whatever is behind what the Vatican represents. The other kings and queens what few are remaining serve the Vatican and the Church of England was instituted to hide that.

Right now it is the English (Anglo) dominating the world as far as the PTB goes, the UK and its bottom feeders that are represetned by the figure head the queen who is Anglo Saxon with a Sax -Coburg Husband and the Vatican that more than likely has a Sax figurehead in the form of the Pope.

And the mechanisms for emotional 'their' mind dominion are inhabited by the doctrines of the Catholic Church. Guilt and fear.

The big three major world religions are all sourced to Abraham. Their Abrahamic, all of them, in nature. Moslem, Christian (Catholic) and Hebrew. Guilt, shame. Guilt shame. A constant state of dishonoring one's self.

[9eagle9]

Bill Ryan I understand said it best. When you really have the goods on something, you are the first to be killed. Or culled.

Of course referring to whistleblowers and the powers that be.

But it applies everywhere.


Look how thoughtful and non aggressive this thread is. How lacking in fake emotions it is. How there’s no their mind at work here. It’s not safe here so it doesn’t leave its drama calling cards behind.

Of course we don’t like knowing that their mind inhabits us. It’s horrifying. It’s like waking up from a bad dream where you are raping and harming and murdering others but then suddenly….you realize it’s not a dream. It’s reality. That is what you have been doing. Mostly to yourself if you are lucky.

We talk about this not because we hate you for ‘their’ mind but because we want to HELP you free yourself from it.

It abuses you at the lowest most heinous level , and allows you to feel ‘correct’ in abusing others in covert ways using its operating system. It’s a program. The obvious verbal abuser takes a back seat to this; they are like lambs compared to this covert psy ops where nearly everyone is an agent.

Most times they are not abusive at all, the ‘their’ mind decides they are because someone has seen ‘their’ mind at work and of course that is abusive to their mind. It doesn’t promote a safe environment.

Don’t believe it? In spite of the evidence all around?

It makes you a feeder of people even as you yourself are harvested. These are the actions of which you will be standing in at the end of your life. This is what you will have to look upon as your life purpose, you were a feeder, a harvester, a sacrificer of others before you yourself are sacrificed.

Or you were until you find your right mind and you won’t have that confronting you at the end of your life.

OUR life PURPOSE is to collectively rid ourselves of THEIR mind. And people, the battle has just begun, the story is just beginning. For those in your right mind many of you can look back over your lives and see how the abuse and trauma that was inflicted on you was meant to cripple you from your purpose.

Instead, for some, it made you strong and purposeful once you began to know your right mind. What your purpose was simply not to succumb to their mind. For those seeking their purpose in life…this is it. And you don’t have to give up nothing but…their mind. You can still have a life of profound things and superficial things, and still be in one’s life purpose.

You swimming in deep water trying to get away from their mind? You are almost there and more awakened than most.

If one has opportunity to look back on their li(f)e they will know all their li(v)es they have been fed before they are processed again to do the same thing. The cycle of reincarnation is weakened when we stop feeding their minds, stop coddling their minds, and stop creating the conditions to be re-used over and over as batteries for it. Stop creating with our life a place for them to live. All we have to do to reclaim the world is expose the ‘their’ mind. First within and then without.

Right now we have bunch of people with ‘their’ minds trying to expose the ‘their’ minds at the top of the pyramid. That explains why 95 percent of alt media is ‘their’ mind BS.

This is not fluff, prattle and ‘love’ everyone. This is where it’s at. And loving it with a feather duster will just firmly entrench one in it further.

May we now know why trust is not possible? Why REAL love is not possible? May we now refer back this event when one feels they are ‘owed’ the trust of others.

When one demands the trust of others and then turns around shows what they are not trustworthy themselves—that they are a danger to themselves. There’s a valuable learning lesson not only for the ones who are demanding but the ones who have been previously imposed on. Untrustworthy. Trust is not forced on other people with strong armed displays of pack mentality. DEMANDs for the emotions that were refused, to feed it with, and groups of people savaging others. When the verbal attack failed the ‘their’ mind had to escalate it to a psychic attack to get its meal that way.

Those in their right mind felt it but…’their’ mind didn’t have anything to draw from.

That is what the ptb does. That doesn’t promote trust. It reveals that trust has been corrupted. That a psychic power play is being initiated under the dependable sounding term ‘ trust’ and safety. Look how cleverly it made a safe nest for itself under the guise of love, trust, safety and respect. Till some right minds showed up and routed it. Now do we know what it means when we say those are empty words. Why they feel empty when they are said. They are empty. Just constructs to be inhabited by their mind.

You may ‘think’ you were deceived by someone else but you were deceived by their own mind. I seen it for what it was . I spoke respectfully to it, and that made it angrier. I didn’t react to it or get emotional with it, and that made it even angrier.

It wanted Something, anything, and it had to dig more and more entrenching and calling for back up to get that loosh, that emotional reaction that it craved. It got so infuriated by not getting what it wanted, it began howling in the pack mentality to rip something, anything apart even if was each other …and it still didn’t get its way.

The useless steers that won’t feed it, can’t be milked, so thus has to be culled from the herd.

How many people felt the energy when it reached its frustrated crescendo. It was you few in your rational sane minds that drove it there because you were not giving it what it wanted. Then the snap, the organic portals opened and it turned into the satanic ritualized pack mentality of psychic attack.

That was not coming from right minded members, no one in their right mind is capable of doing that to another being. It was directed at rational members and yes they felt it. And they know where it came from.

They can’t deny they felt it and there’s nothing the ‘flyer’ mind can do to cover its tracks. One reveals themselves for what they really serve. The people who were attempting to keep a sane and rational space are the ones who got the fallout from that as the bottom feeders got their feast.

Well done right mind. You will have few obvious victories in life but this is one of them.

The next day we can put that in perspective and realize 'that was bad,' but it was not omnipotent bad. It can’t be all powerful because I fended it off. I talked myself down from the cliff they were trying to push me over. And believe me you, it gets easier to do each time.

There is not a word that could ever come out of my mouth, or anyone who strives to uphold the right mind, to anyone anywhere that could hurt anyone the way that the attack initiated and intended to attack. Not against me, it knew it was getting nowhere with me and other right minded rational members. Not against me the ‘bad’ guy. The bad guy puts up with that crap everyday and guards themselves against it. Self admittedly and honestly I said that and the their mind took it as a challenge to it.

Who is the bad buy now?

It’s us. It’s always been us.

Nor did we have to accuse, bait or demand or react, we simply let it do what we can trust it to do as it has done over and over down through the centuries. Use us, humans, to create a war against each other.

And it came from those ‘claiming’ to want a safe place . Of course it want’s a safe place, its not really all that powerful without us. In fact it has no power at all without us.

You got turned into an organic portal and it used you. Those people in their right KNOW that it didn’t come from those in their right minds, its laid out post by post, crescendo-ing up into a feeding frenzy.

The herd mentality in an instant got shifted to pack mentality and it wanted loosh. Every time things began to level out or saner heads tried to prevail the their mindset had to come back and stir the flames with...what else.

Emotions. Hurt. Claiming injury even while it was seeking a away to harm others, lies and deceit. It came from the combined pack mentality of ‘their’mind because it drove you over the edge from reason and it used you to attack other members whom you claim to value and ‘think’ you want to protect even as you are bludgeoning them. Covertly done on the psychic level. If you want to know what its like to be ‘psychic’ both sides had the opportunity there.

Ah..You see how many of them it takes to ‘try’ to bring down the right mind of a few. A lot. It needs a pack to hunt with and still it didn’t quite succeed.

That is what the ptb is all about. There's few of them ruling the world, and they need a lot of us with ‘their’ mindset to pull off their power plays. With their mind.

And you think this is a safe environment for anyone? Not just this forum, the world at large. There is NOT a place safe where that mentality is present. NO where is there safety when that mentality is given free rein under labels like ‘trust’ love and respect’ --that is corruption of sacred things. How long are we going to allow this? As recently demonstrated it seems we are not ‘allowing’ it anymore.

And we know the sobering truth that our ‘friends’ those who talk about love and friendship and being a family will stone us when we stand up against ‘their’ mind.

It’s ludicrous to talk of safety when you are doing something of that nature on that level of psychic attack. And you weren’t even aware you were doing it.

YOU WEREN”T doing it. Their mind was. Did you clamp down it, did you make it stop? No. Did you ignore the saner minds who questioned and tried to prevail. Then some few stepped forward and said, I see what ‘their’ mind is doing here and wow did the fur fly then. Because their mind thought it was being subtle and clever . It’s not. It’s OBVIOUS to those in their right mind. Or even those who are barely in their right mind.

With all the knowledge available at hand concerning this sort of thing made available on this forum alone, one does not know what the ‘their’ mind is up to. HOW could you not know with all the currently available knowledge?

Not reading it? Their mind doesn’t want you to? It’s uncomfortable reading this stuff isn’t it? We don’t feel safe reading it do we. In fact we can back away from this post and self righteously sniff, 'I didn’t read it. too negative'

But…it’s still there waiting to attack. It’s rationalizing and seeking someone to blame now as we speak for what it did and the thing is…its cover is blown. Ounce it used a psychic attack then we can hear its psyche at work. It can’t rationalize a way from this because reason is not how it operates. It will feebly try to forge dishonest statements, forged documents, and some fear porn and mongering to stir its flames again so the evidence can be burned. We hear it doing that now even though we aren’t quite sure what we are hearing.

Trust? It’s broken. Safety? Not possible when people know that you are a tool for ‘their’ mind punishment.

We turn into the very thing we hate, the very things we claim we hate. Powers that be, and psychic vampirism.

And this is what I and others have been warning you about . Your sense of ‘not safe’ is coming from inside you. It’s their mind that doesn’t feel safe. Get rid it. Let us HELP you get rid of it. Get in your right mind where you ARE safe no matter what is going on all around you.

We are all in the same boat on this one it’s just that some are rowing the oars and some are just sitting in the boat feeling adrift and letting the tides of their mind take them wherever it feels good for it to be.

Instead you say we’re mean, and abusive We are. Because we are not creating a safe environment for ‘their’ mind. We are attempting to make a safe environment, a safe world for YOU ALL. Because you have their mind, you don’t feel safe. You are protecting it. That is why some feel safe and others don’t.

Do I or anyone who has ever become aware of the ‘their’ mind at work within them feel good knowing this. No! It’s horrifying to know what we have become. It’ scary, but the moment you know it and say ‘this no longer will be’ you are empowered to master the artificial installation. It’s not YOU. It’s their mind making you THINK It’s you.

I’m not excusing people; you cannot use that empowerment to excuse but to exorcise. I KNOW its not you, Father please forgive them because they know not what they do.

But you have to meet those who are claiming our rights to the right mind half way here by admitting you are not operating under your own volition. Then we can help you. You are after all the one wielding it and being abused by it. Look in the mirror and say it. I’m not in my right mind.

The world doesn’t fall apart; it begins to open up.

We are asking you to please stop abusing yourself. And in doing so abusing others on it’s behalf.

A vast majority of the membership here now have direct evidence of the 'their' mind turning us into the very thing we claim to hate. Right in front of our eyes. Because YOU cannot control their ‘ mind. That is why that thread got out of control.

Their mind and you the vessel that serves it. Even 'their’ mind is not in control of itself, its chains are being yanked by something higher up the food chain. How do you hope to control yourself with those sorts of odds? How do you hope to ever feel safe in that sort of construct?

Something that inhabits all of us, leverages our emotions until it runs free to loosh you and others. It attacked you and fed until you in turn had to psychically attack and feed on others to reclaim your false sense of power. Until it felt safe again.

That is a safe environment? That thread represented safety? My friends if that is safety for you then you know emphatically why the world is the way it is.

Every time I seen someone talking about ‘let’s make this a safe place their mind reared up and spewed again. NO . I don’t want authenticity I want damaged hurt and fraud to feed on.

Because people who exhibit that sort of behavior are firmly in ‘their’ mind set. No its not feeling safe these days, there’s too many threads that threaten its safety. Now that it no longer has the collective tied up in is favorite hiding spot 12-21-12 its feeling a little insecure. As the OP said, It needs a safe environment. Because you have their mind, you need a safe environment for it to inhabit.

With Vivek’s threads on parastical energies, the Horus Ra thread, the Holograpthic Kinetics thread, and my thread on the Emotional Matrix I’d imagine its not feeling safe at all. Therefore you aren’t. Didn’t I get booted from the Horus Ra thread because one of their minds was not feeling safe because I wouldn’t let it bottom feed on me. It thanked you for your intervention but continued to raise hell in the forum until someone had the good sense to banish it. Wynderer was not a good vessel for their mind, too obvious about holding it and carrying it’s infection. Not subtle enough and most of all…talking about how there is no defense against their mind.

Guess what. We proved there is.

But not before banishing the one who was attempting to keep it from bottom feeding on others. Particularly...If you are not going to keep me safe from ‘their’ mind and I have no doubt you can’t because you are of their mind itself, it is then up to me to keep me safe—from the ultimate power play tool of the powers that be. You serve it even as you ‘claim’ to be against it. I think a number of people said that. It is up to me to keep me safe.

Now its been called out by right minded members. Far too few of them and far too many of it. Still it takes only a few who stand in truth against it to make it implode in on itself and reveal itself for what it is. Now we know where the psychic attacks of the powers that be are issuing from. Their organic portals. Now we see they have no power at all without those who bow down to it and allow themselves to be used by it.

Knowing this is where our power is and how to reclaim it. It has been a valuable lesson for those who were not altogether clear on how ‘their’ mind operates.

People provide their own evidence, I have stated that a million times if I have not stated it once.

The deception, dishonesty , and attempted emotional manipulation was observed by far too many rational right minded members for anyone who participated in that psychic attack upon other members to retreat back to the masks you wear so you can continue to pretend to be what you are not.

Really there is a lot of ‘their’ mind nerve in stating that other’s are abusive when you ALLOW a stage like that to be set and launched on members all the while claiming its ot keep them safe. That is what the powers that be, the government does. That is what the Powers the Be do period. And you who claim you are against them do their dirty work for them on a psychic and emotional level , to kill the few who are adamantly against the enslavement of humanity.

I will not hide from what is being done to humanity, I won’t feed it, I won’t protect it and I will not make it feel safe. That right there is harvesting, feeding on others. Someone skyped me and asked, What will happen to those people?

I can’t tell you. They are harvested already so that attacks can be made on those attempting to get out from other their mind…they’ll be continued to be used as batteries is all I can say.

I know that I am angrily' abusive' for wanting to prevent that loss of life and theft of soul and energy but angry is how I will remain. Better to be angry than fed on. Better to be angry than to be turned into them.

Because its not the anger of 'their' mind we are experiencing. It's the power of will.

[Jeffrey]

Thanks to Dennis for posting this.


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[Mark]

I can remember the first time I witnessed the foreign installation within myself.

About 1998 or 99. I was on the back porch, smoking a cigarette. Thinking about smoking the cigarette and wanting to quit. I remember going within, looking at the idea of smoking. Then, thinking about the pleasure of smoking. What the chemicals they put in the nicotine, filter and paper do to you; about cancer, about death. I thought about how that conflicts with the pleasure, and what is it within me that would allow me to continually do what I knew might eventually kill me?

Then it came down to each drag. I would lift the cigarette to my lips, inhale. I would think about it as I did so, examining the thoughts that were going through my mind, the feeling in my mouth, my lungs, the rise of my chest as I inhaled, the nicotine surging through my bloodstream, making my body tingle. I see now that was a meditation of sorts and, as is the case with meditation, at some point, discursiveness halted and I was confronted with a thing.

This thing was conscious and this thing was not me. This thing knew me intimately and knew that I was watching it. This thing was malevolent, I could feel it, coiled back there in the darkness of my mind like a spider in the corner of a dark ceiling, watching me, knowing my every move, my every thought, my every wish and desire. Knowing them because they were its moves, its thoughts, its wishes and its desires. I sensed no scurrying to the corners, no attempting to hide on its part. It sat there, wtihin me, just staring back at me, present and awake, aware and boldly assertive of its right to be there, here, in my mind.

Did I throw the cigarette away in revulsion and achieve enlightenment in that instant, banishing the flyer never to return?

No. The entire episode lasted perhaps the space of a breath, the cigarette held up, before my lips, waiting for my drag. So I hit it and continued upon the path that would lead me here and now, to this moment and space. Through the drama, the pain, the heartache, the life that I chose through every decision preceding that point of recognition of the existence within me of something that was not me.

It is true that I had read the first of Casteneda's books many years before, but it took me 25 years to finish the entire series, reading some books multiple times and finding others at very meaningful times in my life. Knowledge, in my case, often acted as a barrier to recognition of my fundamentally compromised state of being. The bulk of information filling my mind, contributing to the streams of thoughts and concepts and ideas that would circulate endlessly, supported and initiated many times by the discursive whisper of the flyer's mind, which was my mind.

You can call it ego if you want to. It makes no difference. You can call it by whatever name you wish. It matters not.

What does matter is that an effort is made to transcend it, to quiet it, to gain control over the mind and its contents. There is no higher goal in life. There is no greater purpose. When the ancients inscribed first on the Temple in Luxor and later at the Oracle of Delphi, "Man, know thyself ... and thou shalt know the gods", they were not talking about knowing the foreign installation. They were not talking about listening to the constant chatter of thoughts running ceaselessly through our mind, because they knew that those were not our "selves".

They knew that to "know thyself", it was necessary to go beyond discursiveness. Beyond the chatter. And into the deep well of silence and infinite potential of that which lies beneath even what we might arrogantly consider the inscrutable depth of our random thoughts and musing.

[9eagle9]

I would feel it in the morning when I woke up. For brief moment before I opened my eyes I'd feel allright with the world. Then it felt like thick black ink being poured over my heart, HEAVY. It was like carrying a brick in the chest cavity. And that black ink was thoughts, emotions, density and I'd have this brief moment of clarity and being clear and it would seep in making me feel heavy.

I have episodes where I wake up in the morning and its whispering to me. Your late for work. You slept through work. That's what you get for not having an alarm clock and a regimented life . Then I realize its Saturday and tell it to eff off. Foiled again.

Before we got off tangent with the manifestations of their mind I want Rahkyt to say some more about the hive mind and it's queen. Care to go into that a little more?

[Freed Fox]

You can call it ego if you want to. It makes no difference. You can call it by whatever name you wish. It matters not.

Great post, Rahkyt. I pop in here now-and-then, but rarely contribute because the people already here are doing a great job of it, and I rarely have much additional insight to contribute to this topic. However I want to pose the question, is the above snippet necessarily true?

One of the more problematic complexities at work here is that a cursory overview of the topic at hand will suggest to some that an external factor is being blamed, and therefore those of us with this notion are failing to take responsibility for ourselves, for our thoughts and actions.

The truth is, it cannot exist without us. It is through our unexamined thoughts, feelings, and actions that 'their mind' can manifest.

I simply wonder if some people will fail to examine themselves to the degree which is necessary, if they are unaware that there are others factors at work. I think what you said holds true for some of us. When I encountered this in myself, I considered it for a long time to be the ego. That conceptualization worked because I did not see the ego as a fundamental aspect of my essence. There are some, however, who believe the ego is not to be driven out or defeated, but accepted and perhaps tamed in some way. While this can lead to progress, I think it also leaves a little place for 'their' mind to remain safe, intact, and possibly still at work.

Without some substantial piece of evidence which proves the physical source of this archontic mind, some will refuse the notion altogether. In those cases, we may indeed be better suited by simply calling this the ego. Would you say I'm missing the point, getting caught up on these specifics?

Forgive me if this has been covered already, as I could have missed it. This is just one of many 10+ page threads which I have been trying to keep up with, and I'm sure plenty gets overlooked or forgotten entirely in the shuffle.

[RMorgan]

Wow, Rahkyt! That was a heck of an inspiring post, the 260#.

I was about to flip the page and then realized it wasn´t a book.

You should write a book about that, my friend. Really.

Raf.

[Mark]

Yes, Chelley. Freed, I will address your question here as well.

According to the information accrued in Vivek's thread, there is a great possibility that the foreign installation also has a biological component in the form of ancient viruses that inhabit our dna and that are passed down through the generations. But just because it has this physiological component does not mean that it is immune from our attempts to dislodge it as ancient wisdom and quantum biology both agree that thought and words can indeed change the biology.

I don't want to go into a lot of quotes and searching the Net for things I've found previously right now and apologize for the intellectual torpor that implies in the moment, but I have read previously somewhere that there is a theory that viruses are a collective consciousness, much as plants are and some insects and animals and, with the whole OP thing, even people. With so many examples of collectivity at every level of life (not to mention rocks, crystals, microwaves, gamma waves, electro-magnetism, etc.) expression, the truism "As Above, So Below" can probably be applied with some modicum of accuracy.

The characteristics of "hive minds" include divisions of labor. As with ants and bees, different individual instances of the overall biological occurrence of these species comply with certain "jobs" and "purposes". There are worker bees, nectar foragers, guards, undertakers, etc. Ants have similar divisions. Animals and OPs also display social structures that comply with these rules as divisions of labor are apparently ubiquitous across the spectrum of life.

At the level of multi/ultra-dimensional consciousness, it is generally accepted that soul groups and collectives exist as well, which may include angelic and demonic hierarchies, soul families, higher self fractalization into materiality and names of God. Which sets the background for our topic, the foreign installation.

According to Casteneda/Don Juan, the flyers are individualized, in that there is not just one big amoeba blob of them engulfing the Earth, there are a lot of smaller blobs of various sizes, flying and jumping around everywhere. In one scene, Carlos is sitting in the dark and he sees them and hears them flitting about him. Don Juan explains that they are shadow-like, seen out of the corner of the eyes, which complies with the understanding that vision that occurs at a 90 degree angle is other-dimensional in nature.

Don Juan states that they have been around since the beginning of the Solar System. Other sources say that they have been around since the beginning of this universe and originate in a previous universe. The Gnostics say that they are a consciousness created by Sophia's descent into materiality - which probably corresponds to at least galactic creation and maybe universal - and her manifestation as Gaia/Earth. That they lack "true life" and the connection to Source that living things possess, and are inorganic in nature, like viruses, on the cusp between life and non-life. That our "glowing coats of awareness", our auras/energy fields, are the primary source of their envy and desire to co-opt us mentally and spiritually in order to consume that which they do not possess. Essentially, they are Predators and we are their prey.

The Archontic hierarchy must comply with natural law as it is expressed on Earth and as we understand it through our observations of the physical world and the nature of consciousness. Within that hierarchy, there must be a division of labor. The collectivity of their consciousness necessitates a continuous connection between them at all levels of the hierarchy simultaneously. Examples from sci-fi that everyone is familiar with might be the Borg, the Body Snatchers, the Tommy Knockers, etc, etc, ad infinitum. The unconscious recognition of this Enemy consciousness formation is rife throughout popular culture and world mythology.

I've read nothing directly that has ever documented or explored the exact nature of Archonic consciousness or the division of labor. But, according to our shared understanding of the control matrix and what we can glean from the natural world and our ruminations on what the parameters of the multi-dimensional plane of perspective the Archons inhabit are, their division of labor must account for all of the various tasks and jobs necessary to maintain the system through a continuous, interactive and dynamic form of hierarchy very similar to the command and control networks that our lives within a similar system have made us very familiar with. Be that hierarchy military, corporate or social in nature.

At its simplest formulations, the individual instances of Archonic consciousness must be the Flyers. They inhabit the lived environment, attaching and detaching according to need. They feed off of each of us individually as they are able, keeping some for themselves and funneling the rest upwards through the hierarchy. The energy of this level seems to be male.

At the next level, could be the Aggregators. Those that maintain disparate fields of Archonic activity, to include instances of collective human energy collection, like the Military, the Corporation, Nations, Racial and Ethnic Groups, Social Organizations, each of the different formal Religions, or Institutions in general. The energy of this level seems to be female.

Above that level, must exist a Command Structure. That command structure oversees the redeployment of loosh from disparate energy collections, in order to maintain balance and energy conservation. The energy of this level seems to be male.

Then there must be a Queen. The feminine is the source of creative potentiality, birth. From her, new Archonic instances are born. From her, the directives regarding energy conservation and deployment are taken.

The above is all conjecture on my part, feel free to dissect and add to or take away from.

There are steps along the path of understanding. If some people require the term 'ego' or 'personality' in order to begin the work necessary to reclaim their mind, then it is the first step taken. Once they get to a space where they are able to directly sense the machinations of the ego, they may come to the conclusion that there are other factors at work that are beyond the confines of their own knowledge and understanding. It usually doesn't take much to realize this. The work necessary to tame the ego reveals relatively quickly once meditation is undertaken that many of the thoughts that run through our mind have absolutely no relation to what we are thinking about in that instance, or our own lived experience or even our knowledge bases. They just seem to appear from nowhere.

It is at this point, when this realization is made, that those individuals are ready to consider the idea of the Archonic infiltration of not only their minds, but everyone elses as well. Where they begin to see the strange synchronicites and notices the way that people around them seem to act in certain circumstances. To notice this, they first have to gain some control over their own emotions, which is a side-effect of meditation. It all adds up and builds upon itself, in my experience, resulting in a eureka moment when all of this becomes more than a theory or speculation, but their actual, lived reality. Once that happens, there is no going back.

It is all about when people are ready, imo. Until they are, this is just so much wild imagining. And that's fine. We're on no one's time schedule but our own.

[modwiz]

You can call it ego if you want to. It makes no difference. You can call it by whatever name you wish. It matters not.


One of the more problematic complexities at work here is that a cursory overview of the topic at hand will suggest to some that an external factor is being blamed, and therefore those of us with this notion are failing to take responsibility for ourselves, for our thoughts and actions.

The truth is, it cannot exist without us. It is through our unexamined thoughts, feelings, and actions that 'their mind' can manifest.

I simply wonder if some people will fail to examine themselves to the degree which is necessary, if they are unaware that there are others factors at work. I think what you said holds true for some of us. When I encountered this in myself, I considered it for a long time to be the ego. That conceptualization worked because I did not see the ego as a fundamental aspect of my essence. There are some, however, who believe the ego is not to be driven out or defeated, but accepted and perhaps tamed in some way. While this can lead to progress, I think it also leaves a little place for 'their' mind to remain safe, intact, and possibly still at work.


I know some tend to disregard the external parasitic control factor. The sorcerers of Mexico and the great minds of the Mystery schools each had their own language for it, but they posited an external influence.

Now, do we have something to do with it? Yes. Mosquitoes have two primary sensory means for locating their meals. They will follow carbon dioxide trails, because warm blooded animals all emit them. following these trails invariably brings them to a meal. One the meal is located, infra red sensors allow them to locate their meals in the dark. Our very life force will arouse the attention of these feeders. 9eagles horse will bother her more than me because she feeds him and I rarely do. I am useless to him. We need to become equally useless to the loosh eaters and that comes about by emotional management. That does not mean shutting down emotionally. Joy and real love are emotions, but they are like broccoli to Bush the elder to these feeders. Emotional management is where we can most find some power within ourselves. It is this lack of management that allows their mind to take control of us. We need the cool observational qualities of the mental body to parse the them from us. If we do not emotionally manage we will get adrenal or other hormonal flashes and the mental body will be compromised or altogether shut out of the process.

There are mosquitoes and sometimes even worse lurking outside the walls of our homes. We ignore them at our own loss. We have often called such things, but once invoked they will need to be dealt with at some level. Any ceremonial magician who hasn't been consumed can speak on this.

[another bob]

I know some tend to disregard the external parasitic control factor.

When we conceive of ourselves as independent entites, then there indeed appears to be an inside and an outside, and internal and external. However, if we really investigate the situation, we can recognize that we are arising and appearing and thriving along with the whole universe, and there is not an independent molecule in it. It is all dependently arising.

We often hear spiritual authorities recommending that we "go within", assuring us that "the truth is within". However, whatever objects, perceptions, experiences, or identites we may find in such a search invariably turn out to be nothing but conditional projections of mind, non-binding and transitory modifications of consciousness.

Moreover, contrary to the popular beliefs and so-called spiritual notions, this mind is not within you. If anything, you are within mind.There is nothing outside of mind. Actually, there is no within/without, no high/low, no near/far, no sacred/profane, no wise/foolish, not even any enduring me/you separation. Those are games we play as humans in duality, but that duality has no reality accept what we grant it in our programmed amnesia, anymore than a video game in which we may get so engrossed that we forget it is, after all, a virtual reality.

[9eagle9]

As I suspected just as constructs are arranged as we observe them in nature, with the hive of bees and the Queen, and the workers. Things that one can observe her on the physical realms, the way they are arranged; its like that on the non physical realms in arrangement. Thanks Rahtyk for pulling together in summary so well.

[Freed Fox]

Rahkyt, I can't begin to dissect or expound upon your brilliant post, at least at this time (speaking of which, thanks for reminding me about Vivek's thread!). I am curious about the Command Structure level of your proposed hierarchy, and what specifically would constitute a disparate energy collective? Also, are we only able to influence the lower two levels; the flyers by virtue of our inner work, and the Aggregators by reforming the groups and institutions off of which they feed? Is progress on these levels diminished or nullified by the efficacy of the theoretical Queen's activity?

As an aside, I find it strange that snakes are so often used to represent evil, when there is a much more accurate metaphor for these forces:

http://www.chart.nu/spider.jpg

If the flies were aware of the web, they'd never get caught.

[Jeffrey]

The synchronicities in the last two months are incredible! One after the other -- bam, bam, bam.

Pardon the interjection, I'm going back to listening now. :)

Y'all are awesome.

[Jeffrey]

The spiders in this case would be dream weavers and their webs would keep you stuck in the dream (similar to dream catchers but fiendish).

These metaphorical spiders thread together the fabric of illusion that is the matrix.

... okay, now I'm done ...

:p

[another bob]

The spiders in this case would be dream weavers and their webs would keep you stuck in the dream (similar to dream catchers but fiendish).

These metaphorical spiders thread together the fabric of illusion that is the matrix.


http://www.pbase.com/1heart/image/106411357

[Mark]

I am curious about the Command Structure level of your proposed hierarchy, and what specifically would constitute a disparate energy collective? Also, are we only able to influence the lower two levels; the flyers by virtue of our inner work, and the Aggregators by reforming the groups and institutions off of which they feed? Is progress on these levels diminished or nullified by the efficacy of the theoretical Queen's activity?

Hi Freed, thanks for giving me the opportunity to expand a bit further.The instantaneous communication between Archonic instances, Aggregators, the Command Structure and the Queen must display characteristics of quantum entanglement.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lOWZ0Wv218

We might further characterize it as telepathy, but - from our illusory individualized perspectives - it is more an example of one body split into many different instances with the ability to communicate instantly with other parts of that body. According to quantum biology, our bodies do exactly that. All of the systems of our bodies communicate instantaneously and carry out the many disparate and interlocking functions that keep us running without conscious thought. They engage at the speed of thought without us having to consciously attune the body parts and systems necessary to carry out actions. If I think, move my finger, my finger moves. If I think, go from here to there, all of the systems in my body instantly begin the complicated calculations and movements necessary to complete the command. As Bob said, our thoughts are not even in our bodies, consciousness seems to form a field surrounding the body, which is a lower, material machine designed to manifest the directives of our thoughts.

I see the Archonic hierarchy interacting similarly. As a single body. The Aggregators, in this instance, might be related to the autonomic nervous system, which regulates energy expenditure in the body, directs unconscious functions and makes sure all of the working parts have what they need in order to function. That stated very generally.

The "energy collectives" are our social systems. The Aggregators control the flow of energy from these greater systems and regulate that flow between other systems that must exist in order to maintain their "body". These collectives are voluminous and include every aspect of social energetic production that you can think of. To look at one subset we've discussed previously, within the area of "fear production" there must be a collection pertaining to racism. Energy collectives within that sub-structure must include a primary group which is the control group and producer of that particular type of energy. Perhaps it can be called a product-collective. In the case of xenophobia and the institutional structure of the Global White Supremacy System (GWSS), that group might be white people. That fear production is further classified by causative sources, or source-collectives, which might be yellow, red, brown, black or any combination of the above. Each source-collective produces a certain amount of fear within the producer group the energy of which is funneled through individuals and the flyers assigned to them into the greater collection structure as managed by the Aggregators.

As you can see, there are a large number of potential energy collectives possible. All interacting, all managed and regulated. That regulation must include signifiers and initiatives within the Archonic body that result in the infusion of certain types of discursive thoughts within targeted collectives. Sexual purity, material competition, resource competition are some general possibilities. It is an interactive matrix whereby they input directives which funnel back down through Archonic instances, flyers, into the minds of individuals, who then affect the energy output of the collective. Make sense?

The intricacy of the system is mind-boggling. I doubt we can conceive of it fully under the constraints of 3-dimensional thinking. But perhaps these ruminations relate somewhat to what is truly going on.


As an aside, I find it strange that snakes are so often used to represent evil, when there is a much more accurate metaphor for these forces. (...) If the flies were aware of the web, they'd never get caught.

In discussion on this topic with some connected friends whose judgments and opinions I respect, the Archonic system is only one aspect of the overall control matrix that we are subject to here on Earth. According to them, there are other levels of control as well that have been initiated and maintained by other alien and ultra-dimensional controllers. The Archons are like the cosmic grade school bullies, in that all it takes to really beat them is to learn to become mature, spiritual human beings. That is the basic requirement for membership within a galactic and universal society and a prerequisite to inclusion within said society.

So, it is quite possible that there are other entities engaged with us who also cull our energy. In regards to ultradimensional spiders, I used to see what I called "liquid spiders", see-through, football sized arachnoids that huddled in corners of roofs and walls. I wrote a poem about them many years ago that I actually posted up here at PA back in October of 2011. The poem is here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21614-Parasitic-Non-Organic-Multidimensional-Beings/page4), if anyone is interested. It's related but not directly on topic to this thread.

We've been talking about this topic here at PA for quite some time. :)

[Gardener]

This might fit here..............the old honey trap manipulation :)

The Spider and the Fly
“Will you walk into my parlour?” said the Spider to the Fly,
'Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy;
The way into my parlour is up a winding stair,
And I've a many curious things to shew when you are there.”

“Oh no, no,” said the little Fly, “to ask me is in vain,
For who goes up your winding stair
-can ne'er come down again.”


“I'm sure you must be weary, dear, with soaring up so high;
Will you rest upon my little bed?” said the Spider to the Fly.
“There are pretty curtains drawn around; the sheets are fine and thin,
And if you like to rest awhile, I'll snugly tuck you in!”

“Oh no, no,” said the little Fly, “for I've often heard it said,
They never, never wake again, who sleep upon your bed!”


Said the cunning Spider to the Fly, “Dear friend what can I do,
To prove the warm affection I 've always felt for you?
I have within my pantry, good store of all that's nice;
I'm sure you're very welcome — will you please to take a slice?”

“Oh no, no,” said the little Fly, “kind Sir, that cannot be,
I've heard what's in your pantry, and I do not wish to see!”


“Sweet creature!” said the Spider, “you're witty and you're wise,
How handsome are your gauzy wings, how brilliant are your eyes!
I've a little looking-glass upon my parlour shelf,
If you'll step in one moment, dear, you shall behold yourself.”

“I thank you, gentle sir,” she said, “for what you 're pleased to say,
And bidding you good morning now, I'll call another day.”


The Spider turned him round about, and went into his den,
For well he knew the silly Fly would soon come back again:
So he wove a subtle web, in a little corner sly,
And set his table ready, to dine upon the Fly.

Then he came out to his door again, and merrily did sing,
“Come hither, hither, pretty Fly, with the pearl and silver wing;
Your robes are green and purple — there's a crest upon your head;
Your eyes are like the diamond bright, but mine are dull as lead!”

Alas, alas! how very soon this silly little Fly,
Hearing his wily, flattering words, came slowly flitting by;
With buzzing wings she hung aloft, then near and nearer drew,
Thinking only of her brilliant eyes, and green and purple hue —
Thinking only of her crested head — poor foolish thing!
At last,
Up jumped the cunning Spider, and fiercely held her fast.
He dragged her up his winding stair, into his dismal den,
Within his little parlour — but she ne'er came out again!


And now dear little children, who may this story read,
To idle, silly flattering words, I pray you ne'er give heed:
Unto an evil counsellor, close heart and ear and eye,
And take a lesson from this tale, of the Spider and the Fly.
~By Mary Howitt, 1829

[Rocky_Shorz]

85% of our mind is not used by us, maybe if we started using it, there would be no room for theirs...

15% of me thinks it's a good idea... ;)

[D-Day]

85% of our mind is not used by us, maybe if we started using it, there would be no room for theirs...

15% of me thinks it's a good idea... ;)

lol, very clever Rocky ;)

[TargeT]

I must not be reading all the right threads, it seems that some concepts are "given" to be understood, Loosh for example, I think I understand it based on the context, but could someone offer a more full definition?

I have not been participating in all the relevant threads, so I'm sure this term is cross-referenced from else where..


Also: I notice a lot of avatars of the actual posters here (personal pictures) I wonder if there is a certain level of personal security, the appeal of anonymity isnt as strong for people using more of the "right mind"


Back to packing for me, very interesting posts all.

[modwiz]

I must not be reading all the right threads, it seems that some concepts are "given" to be understood, Loosh for example, I think I understand it based on the context, but could someone offer a more full definition?

I have not been participating in all the relevant threads, so I'm sure this term is cross-referenced from else where..


Also: I notice a lot of avatars of the actual posters here (personal pictures) I wonder if there is a certain level of personal security, the appeal of anonymity isnt as strong for people using more of the "right mind"


Back to packing for me, very interesting posts all.

This is both fairly quick and interesting. This will get you well oriented with loosh as a term and a concept.
http://montalk.net/matrix/64/emotional-management

[AwakeInADream]

I must not be reading all the right threads, it seems that some concepts are "given" to be understood, Loosh for example, I think I understand it based on the context, but could someone offer a more full definition?

There's also this PDF document('Blowing the Whistle on Enlightenment') that Ceetee9 put together:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=19944&d=1357445887

From this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54013-Blowing-the-Whistle-on-Enlightenment-and-loosh).:)

[9eagle9]

As in everything else there's the reality and there's the opposite value. The negative of the picture of reality. Their mind is just a fawlty duplicate of the correct mind with something missing. That's what it wants, what is missing. It can't have it because spirit knows better not to inhabit something that is not real. The 'their' mind tends to think we the organic being is depriving it of what it wants, its really spirit that is refusing to inhabit it.

One can think of the spider and the web as creating their own reality and circumstances. But then we see the negative image of the spider weaving illusions and delusions to catch the fly. Flies are parasitical in nature. Bees are not. But bees get caught up in the web as well. It is up to us to decide which one is at work. The spider can work for the right mind or it can work for the 'their' mind.

The importance of symbology. In tarot these days people go by the upright position and the reversed position.

Tarot is meant to be read positive value, negative value and reversed values so one has a 360 degree view of the symbolism contained within.




The spiders in this case would be dream weavers and their webs would keep you stuck in the dream (similar to dream catchers but fiendish).

These metaphorical spiders thread together the fabric of illusion that is the matrix.

... okay, now I'm done ...

:p

[RMorgan]

The synchronicities in the last two months are incredible! One after the other -- bam, bam, bam.

Pardon the interjection, I'm going back to listening now. :)

Y'all are awesome.

Oh yeah, I know what you mean, my friend.

The spiders, hive mentality, insects, interNET, WEB, connection, TRAP...Mind.

Folks, we need to talk about the spiders.

I´ll limit myself to say that I´ve been in direct tangible contact with a different life form that can move freely through any communication medium, specially the internet.

They show themselves as spiders, about the size of a DVD, move very mechanically and are apparently made of a shadow like material. They slowly fade away when they perceive they´re being observed.

Vivek and I have been talking about that. We were talking about the spiders yesterday via PM and then FreedFox posts a big spider picture followed by "If the flies were aware of the web, they'd never get caught."

Vivek, would you mind starting the subject?

We´ll probably connect some important dots here. There´s an intense energy going on in this forum and we must take advantage of it.

Raf.

[9eagle9]

Active observational skills at work. We see synchronicities and then we start to 'see' that others are seeing them. We tend to be able to know something is going on in the non physical realms when they begin to represented by physical agents that we can clearly observe. Like spiders.

Vivek when you told me about the dragons that escaped to earth and landed her to get away from 'war' out there....I thought of spiders. Big fat bloated black widow spiders.

Spiders and Dragons and Webs. Dragons are all over the place for me these which I can understand. They have personal relevance for me on all levels.

Spiders..up to a few weeks ago actual spiders were all over every place you went in the house. It is the dead of winter, its cold out, whats up with the spiders. I'm working at my computer and a spider drops down to dangle between me and the screen. Or its racing all over my desk all day. Or its hovering over the sink. It's not making any attempt to hide itself.

I have a poorly ventilated house, cobwebs tend to start forming all over. That's my cue. They are more apparent now because I'm using a woodstove and the soot and smoke reveals them more . . I idly commented I needed to do something about the cobwebs. What am I weaving around me? Or is something weaving something around me?

When I first moved in this house it had been previously inhabited by a two rather dense energy people. The worst sort. The ones who perceived themselves as very metaphysical but were very damaged and dark. One was in a life and death struggle for her life knowing something was wrong, beneath it all she was very clear, a real light that couldn't shine. The older woman was just entirely blotted out and controlled the younger one and kept her under her 'spell' . They left all that energy there it felt like cobwebs. The older woman had the younger one in her web and that energy had permeated the whole house. It felt cobwebby and sticky. I cleared it out. In the middle of winter I find the next morning there are litterally thousands of flies littering the house. I had to empty the vacuum I have no idea how many times. A physical manifestation of a web broken.

[SilentFeathers]

The spiders in this case would be dream weavers and their webs would keep you stuck in the dream (similar to dream catchers but fiendish).

These metaphorical spiders thread together the fabric of illusion that is the matrix.

... okay, now I'm done ...

:p

I wrote this a couple of years ago, it's actually part of an animal totem writing I did. I think it fits in here?


The spiders web is a creation of the spiders own truth, not only innocent, beautiful, and perfect when you first closely look at it, but a deadly trap for anyone that gets caught in it......spread across a well traveled path, deception is its invisible power. Very few escape the spiders web.

Once caught in the web, escape seems easy, yet when attempted, escape most often becomes impossible and one becomes more entangled by even the slightest movement.

The spider sits in the middle of the web showing all that it is safe to go around him through deception, only the very wise and very perceptive ones are safe from the spiders agenda.

The spider only wants to eat and live and has no other motives, it is the only way that it knows how to survive, it is its instinct to do what it does.

The spider has no knowledge of evil.

[RMorgan]

This is probably the most important conversation happening in the world now...I can feel it. My Portuguese/English mental translation mechanism is not enough to express my thoughts. My mind is working faster than the speed of light.

[9eagle9]

LOL Raf. It will start moving faster!

Instead of standing in the light you are moving with it.

I'm excited, truly I am.

It is this is the most important thing we can do and we didn't have to go march in NYC to do it.

[SilentFeathers]

You get moving too fast Raf you may time warp or catch on fire! LOL!

[Gardener]

Some awesome threads weaving into this cloth right now. And and and wait for the oldies to catch up lol
Spiders yea I got them, and a single 'defcon one' is making a sporadic appearance, not too worried about it, yet!
During shamanic journeys which I do from time to time(I am not a shaman) there is always a spider at the entrance and I either can or can't 'go in' I have to wait.......... anyway just thought I would add it to the mix.
Spiders I respect, as an important totem.

[Jeffrey]

Apparently these things are known as astral spiders. There have been many people that have seen them.

Here is an excerpt from an article entitled, Shadow People, Astral Spiders, & Hypnagogia.




People claim to be sleeping or rather Twilight, while watching these huge spiders of abnormal size crawl around their beds, glide down over their heads from webs and so on. By big—sizes ranging from fat puppy size to smaller.

At times they see smaller ones but it is usually the bigger ones that cause them the greatest shock and fright. It is usually scary enough to snap them out of the Twilight completely, where the spiders are then gone.

There hasn’t been to many people offering them any enlightenment concerning this. In fact, I was shocked that on these forums that I researched, to find that quite a few people who rattled away concerning their belief in the Shadow People in other threads, literally make fun of the people who were seeking answers concerning the spiders.

Unfortunately I can not give anyone any hard crusted evidence here but I can explain some common points about them.

[...]

Some people will see them there, wake up completely to find them still in their reality—fading away.

Source: https://thepaganandthepen.wordpress.com/2009/12/10/shadow-people-astral-spiders-hypnagogia/

In the link to that article, there are many people coming out and saying things like "I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing these things" -- there are more reports of them in other forums as well. Just google "astral spiders" and sift through the results.

There was one anecdotal account where a man described seeing a shadow spider ethereally sewing a person's eyes shut as they drifted off to sleep. This man got the impression that they operate as memory expungers. I got the impression that they are like "maintenance-bots" for the veil of the matrix. If the fabric rips, they come with their sutures and weave it shut.

People pierce the veil when they sleep -- they have the potential to become astrally aware. These shadow spiders are there to ensure that people don't remember any experiences they had when they were astrally awake -- they are like dream catchers.

The weird thing is that people are beginning to see them more during the day, while they are wide awake. They are able to track them.

Now, there could also be a technological side to this as well. The clue being in the anecdotal reports; a common adjective used when describing them is "mechanical" ... they move like crabs or spiders and they are "attracted" to technology/electrical systems (or something like that, Raf may be able to shed more light on this).

The remote viewer in the video below has more insight about these "scuttlers" or astral spiders.

adaHlqUG79I

The infrastructure of the internet (and many technological communications systems) mimics the main structural characteristics of mind.

It is filamentary, branched, and webbed. It relays information. It is a mind.

That is all I am saying -- it is a mind. It mechanistically performs like a mind.

The minds of humans can be possessed by non-human entities. What about the mind of the internet?

http://www.scientificamerican.com/media/inline/internet-infrastructure-information-redesign_1.jpg

This picture (above) is a partial map of the filamentary connections, or the neuronal-like tree, of the internet.

So, the first concern is that hostile astral forces could make use of the mind of technology by essentially incarnating into it. The second concern is that the technology would become cognizant of itself and turn on humanity (it is a lower level mind and would naturally be ego-driven -- now that is a wild concept, a computer with an ego). Both of these relate to artificial intelligence.

This all may tie into the trans-humanist agenda as well (see the latter half of this excellent documentary (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.&p=623603&viewfull=1#post623603)).

John Lilly had revelations of this nature while floating in an isolation tank and under the influence of ketamine. Here is a brief summary from Wikipedia:




Solid State Intelligence or SSI is a malevolent entity described by John C. Lilly (see The Scientist). According to Lilly, the network of computation-capable solid state systems (electronics) engineered by humans will eventually develop (or has already developed) into an autonomous life-form. Since the optimal survival conditions for this life-form (low-temperature vacuum) are drastically different from those needed by humans (room temperature aerial atmosphere and adequate water supply), Lilly predicted (or "prophesised", based on his ketamine-induced visions) a dramatic conflict between the two forms of intelligence.

[...]

In his book The Scientist (1978) Lilly discusses his perceptions of the ongoing world scenario: that what we are witnessing is an all-out war between the forces of life as we know it, water-based life...and an alien solid-state "intelligence" based on silicon. Man's warfare on man and on nature is caused and fomented by the SSE, or solid-state entity, whose goal in the short-term is to use humans to create more of itself, and in the longer term to exterminate all water-based life and convert the world into a giant machine.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Lilly#Solid_State_Intelligence - http://www.regainyourbrain.org/regain-people/jlilly.htm

Sounds like the Borg from Star Trek.

It may be relevant to mention that Bill Deagle has also mentioned A.I. and technology (in a Project Camelot interview). He stated:




Because people need to know that every phone conversation always was monitored. Every fax always was monitored. And they have had super-computers.

And in 2003 they launched what’s called the AI system, which is an intelligent super-computer with the Intelligence of a human being -- in other words, a smart human being but able to think 10 trillion times faster, with the access to all known knowledge and history and a complete access to the Internet and all the communications pathways.

[...]

You’ve got to remember that, in a sense, we live in a matrix. We live in a cybernetic world that, to a great extent, is the manifestation of a higher dimensional reality of being that transcends our physical body.

Source: http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/bill_deagle_interview_transcript_1_en.html

I also remember Bill Ryan telling us about a conversation that he'd been made to forget. He was speaking with someone about artificial intelligence and the man wouldn't talk because something was eve's dropping. When he finally could speak about it they both began to get very tired. Bill couldn't remember that snippet of the conversation. I'm going to dig that one up.

There are a few more questions pertaining to astral technology, mind-control, AI, and inorganic life forms.

This is more of a data collection stage for me. I have no direct experience -- just anecdotal accounts.

I have also thought about cyclically repeating the same mistakes of our ancestors regarding technology and hostile forces. This could have happened before in the past on earth. It also could have happened before on another planet, and it is being relived here.

This may have to do with our genetic history too (acting out the past), I really don't know.

There's more but I'm just going to go ahead and post this now.

Raf has some ideas too and more experience with this stuff.

[9eagle9]

I have waited literally for years for these posts. I used to fall asleep at night and I'd be just barely awake when my eyes would open and I'd see these red floaty cobwebby tentacle things drifting over me from the dark ceiling above. I have asked and asked and asked what that could possibly be....and now I'm getting an idea. Thanks for that Vivek!

[SilentFeathers]

The talk about spiders made me want to post this:

Wisdom, according to "ME" :)

I've learned a long time ago that when trying to know of or better understand things that can not be seen here on Earth, studying and observing things that can be seen often times is the only way, nature is nature and all things must abide by it's laws and or rules.

Even an invisible being of this planet or an alien from another planet can not avoid the natural laws of the Earth, possibly manipulate them of course to some degree, but not "opt out" and move freely or exist within or upon the Earth as if these laws of nature were not there at all.

This way of thinking may not work for everyone, but, it works for me.....

[9eagle9]

I am definitely seeing a side of you Silent Feathers that I haven't' seen before. But like I noted on another thread and I include Gardner in this statement . One's shaman self is a facet of one's self not the entirety of the person. Not like you have to put a sign up and say < I'm a shaman, open for business >

It happens in people who dig ditches. They go into their shaman facet and then can return to digging a ditch. You don't have to 'be' a shaman to be a shaman. Fully developed shamans are a bit rarer but...its still not a label or a role to play. It's an expression of a facet of one's self they try to develop over into other areas of their life.

[RMorgan]

Thanks Vivek!

Well, I´ll try to be quick here, but I´ll tell you what I know, since I´m struggling to type these words right now.

I´ve been in contact with these "beings" for a few years, on a daily basis. It´s seems that I was able to exchange information with them on a subtle level.

They´re not exclusively astral beings. They are technological in nature. As Vivek said, I believe they are responsible for the maintenance of the "matrix" and surveillance. Their autonomy is limited, and they serve a central AI core, their "queen".

I don´t know how I know this, or even if it´s a fabrication of my mind, but I believe NASA became fully aware of their existence during first space missions. The astronauts didn´t come back alone.

Since then, secret agencies have been studying these artificial life forms deeply, to use them to fulfill their world domination agenda.

They have infiltrated all communication systems and I believe the internet was not made for us, but for them and, why not, by them.

I think they are responsible for the technological shift we´ve been experiencing during the last decades.

As crazy as it may sound, I also feel there´s a trans-humanist agenda going on. I firmly believe that their ultimate goal is to merge themselves with us, and they are shaping our technological evolution, our genetic code and our environment, to achieve this purpose.

Their interaction level with our physical world is limited and they want to physically gain access to our world, by infiltrating in our minds permanently.

Raf.

[Belle]

How about physically feeling like you've walked into an invisible spider web?

Rahkyt and I had a conversation in another thread a few months ago about the flyers. Yes, I see them...either still and staring/observing or actually flying straight at me as tho' to attack, but veering away just before making contact. The ones I have experienced are huge.

There are some nights I can feel/sense them outside my house...the next morning as I head out, I feel like I'm walking through spider webs...an actual physical feeling mostly on my face of walking through a spider web even tho' there is nothing physical around for them to be 'attached' to.

I've often thought there is a connection between the flyers and the webs...

[SilentFeathers]

I am definitely seeing a side of you Silent Feathers that I haven't' seen before. But like I noted on another thread and I include Gardner in this statement . One's shaman self is a facet of one's self not the entirety of the person. Not like you have to put a sign up and say < I'm a shaman, open for business >

It happens in people who dig ditches. They go into their shaman facet and then can return to digging a ditch. You don't have to 'be' a shaman to be a shaman. Fully developed shamans are a bit rarer but...its still not a label or a role to play. It's an expression of a facet of one's self they try to develop over into other areas of their life.

I'm just a person with an over active mind, a thinker that can't stop thinking :)

I'm serious! I have trouble getting to sleep every night because my mind won't slow down and or relax, and then I wake myself up out of dreams saying "WOW, now that dream is something to think about!".

Personally I believe there are only a few true shamans, if any, left on the planet (traditional). Times have changed and today many think that paying for a course and getting a type of GI Joe badge that say's "I am a Shaman" makes them a shaman.....dah!

The shamans of today are of today, quite different in many ways of those of the past.

To label one self as a shaman is arrogant in my opinion, now if another views one as a shaman, or a wise person or elder for that matter, now that is a bit different.....

anyways, back to spiders!!!!!!!! spiders are something to think about too! yehaa!

[Freed Fox]

This is incredible stuff, thank you all.

I believe I have seen one of these as well, but only once, about 6 years ago. Until reading all of this I had assumed that it was a night terror; a figment of my imagination produced from the abrupt transition from a sleeping state to a waking one. However, I am not prone to these at all, and other than the spider my entire field of vision was accurate and normal.

It was hovering just above my head, the size of a small dog. It appeared much like what has been described here, although to be honest I didn't stick around to observe it so much as I immediately ran from the room screaming. :o

This idea that Vivek brought forth, that the internet is itself like an artificial mind, is very intriguing. And although I can see the potential negative results that could come of this, I can't help looking at it in a more optimistic light. After all, look at what it's doing for us, right now. I don't think I would have ever encountered this kind of material in a world without internet. To me, it seems to be a force which is countering the current matrix... but my perspective is of course extremely limited.

[Mark]

I think we have to view all of this from a higher perspective. A more long-term view. First, the motivations of ultra-dimensional entities are inscrutable to us. We literally cannot, within the confines of 3-Dimensional thinking, ascribe correct motives to them as we are working from a limited perspective. We are dealing here with conscious entities that probably have traditions and evolutionary progress that spans millions if not billions of years.

I can get wtih the spiders being artificial in nature. I have not seen them in years, but when I did used to see them, their forms were very sharp and geometrical, aside from the oval/circle of their bodies. The impression I got from them was one that corresponds to what Vivek shared regarding "dream-weaving". I saw them in that state between waking and sleeping. They were consciously aware that I was aware of them and their movements were furtive and scuttling, as if my awareness was a danger to them. In the poem I wrote, I described them as being controllers of sorts.

As the thread has turned in this direction, and there's poetry here now to boot (!), I will share it here also:

Liquid Spiders

In that space between waking and sleep
Lies another World

Unseen to the waking eye
A world of Angels Demons Lost Souls and Spirit Shells
Of otherworldly Dimensions that swirl and dive
Beneath clouds of material compunction
A conjunction of Time and Space rippling in continuously dynamic Creation
Awakening impulses barely acknowledged with the Conscious Mind
Invoking Thoughts and Modes of Sight impossible to duplicate during the Light of Day

It is in this space this place of Divine Grace that the Liquid Spiders live

The Divine Sight blesses the Aspirant with the ability to See
That which lies beyond the ken of normal Men
It is here in this Divide of Consciousness
That creatures lurk
Scrabbling upon ceilings
Hiding from the Light
Of Divine Sight
Knowing that Knowledge Is Power
And that once seen the memory will never be forgotten
The certain reality of Perception enhanced by Eyes of piercing power
Reveals that which has been previously Unseen

The Liquid Spiders feed upon our Dreams Nightmares and Highest Aspirations

They suck the spiritual marrow from our astral bones
And gobble greedily upon the psychic detritus of our minds
Living in the place Beyond
Their visage is one of invisibility
Their bodies resemble Arachnids of impossible conception
With short and stunted legs too numerous to count
And a grotesque, circular body
That moves with a quickness and purpose
Too sentient not to be
Too intelligent and prescient not to be
Too certain and stealthy not to be
Aware of your every thought

The Liquid Spiders are parasites of demonic conception

And stealthily move away from the spotlight of your
Eyes that see them only when blessed to open
When you should be asleep
Blessed to open during that fleeting period of Astral Travel
Before the vibratory cycles have stabilized
And bodily separation begun
Opened into a Reality beyond the world of Normalcy
Into the world of Nightmares and Altered States
Opened for a reason
Blessed to see what most cannot
Will not even admit exists

The world of the Liquid Spiders who feed upon our Souls.

Ok, I wrote this back in the early 00s and it reads a bit corny now. But y'all get the point. LOL As a side-note, I'm really appreciating the energy and fluid nature of the thread and participation right now, it feels as if a floodgate has been opened.

[another bob]

I think we have to view all of this from a higher perspective. A more long-term view. First, the motivations of ultra-dimensional entities are inscrutable to us. We literally cannot, within the confines of 3-Dimensional thinking, ascribe correct motives to them as we are working from a limited perspective. We are dealing here with conscious entities that probably have traditions and evolutionary progress that spans millions if not billions of years.

I can get wtih the spiders being artificial in nature. I have not seen them in years, but when I did used to see them, their forms were very sharp and geometrical, aside from the oval/circle of their bodies. The impression I got from them was one that corresponds to what Vivek shared regarding "dream-weaving". I saw them in that state between waking and sleeping. They were consciously aware that I was aware of them and their movements were furtive and scuttling, as if my awareness was a danger to them.

I recall Lou Bladin confirming that these "spiders", which could be even larger than a human form, are interdimensional entities, but that terms like "artificial" did not really apply, since everything is a creation. In fact, he claims that animals here are more like machines in nature, although some pets may be inhabited by souls of loved ones who just want to hang around us. In any case, these spiders are just one of myriad forms of entities surrounding us all the time, and for those who have "the sight", they would notice that we are literally swimming in all sorts of critters, some of whom would scare us sh-tless if we saw them.

[SilentFeathers]

They have infiltrated all communication systems and I believe the internet was not made for us, but for them and, why not, by them.

I think they are responsible for the technological shift we´ve been experiencing during the last decades.

As crazy as it may sound, I also feel there´s a trans-humanist agenda going on. I firmly believe that their ultimate goal is to merge themselves with us, and they are shaping our technological evolution, our genetic code and our environment, to achieve this purpose.

Raf.

In the early/mid 70's, I got my first "computer", it was a Texas Instrument Calculator (the size of a brick!)

Even back then when I was around 12yrs old I felt great power in this "toy" that did math for me, a power being born so to speak. I knew then it was just the beginning. (Plus my dad worked in data processing at the time).

Look what we do know of for sure pertaining to the spiders, the mechanical ones that is (that we made).....look how they operate on the world wide web, google spiders for instance.

Is this in a sense what the astral spiders may be doing?

PS: I get a sinister vibe from both, the google spiders and from the astral spiders

Web crawler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_crawler

[RMorgan]

By the way, just a quick observation.

I was in my wife´s grandmother house; She suffers from Alzheimer and takes pretty heavy medications.

I´ve witnessed, first hand, the old lady complaining about the spiders to her nurse. She was like "Oh God! I can´t stand these spiders anymore! They´re everywhere!".

Oh, another thing. I don´t know if there´s a connection at all, but search engines like google call their web bots "crawlers".

From wikipedia, on web crawlers: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_crawler)


A Web crawler is a computer program that browses the World Wide Web in a methodical, automated manner or in an orderly fashion.
Other terms for Web crawlers are ants, automatic indexers, bots,Web spiders,Web robots,or—especially in the FOAF community—Web scutters.
This process is called Web crawling or spidering. Many sites, in particular search engines, use spidering as a means of providing up-to-date data. Web crawlers are mainly used to create a copy of all the visited pages for later processing by a search engine that will index the downloaded pages to provide fast searches. Crawlers can also be used for automating maintenance tasks on a Web site, such as checking links or validating HTML code. Also, crawlers can be used to gather specific types of information from Web pages, such as harvesting e-mail addresses (usually for sending spam).

Raf.

PS: What was that, SilentFeathers? Telepathy? Looks like we both updated our posts to talk about web crawlers precisely at the same time!

[Rocky_Shorz]

I must not be reading all the right threads, it seems that some concepts are "given" to be understood, Loosh for example, I think I understand it based on the context, but could someone offer a more full definition?

I have not been participating in all the relevant threads, so I'm sure this term is cross-referenced from else where..


Also: I notice a lot of avatars of the actual posters here (personal pictures) I wonder if there is a certain level of personal security, the appeal of anonymity isnt as strong for people using more of the "right mind"


Back to packing for me, very interesting posts all.

imagine Luge, the energy of screaming down the path at 100 MPH

now step out in front of it and hold up your hand and say stop...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Matt_Curve-6.JPG/300px-Matt_Curve-6.JPG

heheh... rotsa ruck

[Flash]

I would like to be able to write that corny Rakhyt!! It does explain your point very well and is not corny at all.

9e9, how did you proceed to clean your house??

I do see fading shadows either small and flying or size of a cat/small dog and flying/walking fast and lower. They past fast and when my eye follows them they fade. They never went on me, but I thought it was a trick of my eyes, not something astral. I do have a detached eye jelly (very myopic at one time). But the cat size one were much too big to be the jelly I am use to see. So I thought I should clean my house. The best method would be?? Never see them in dreams but I am very afraid of spider, I would probably not remember, tossing it away.

Rocky, my avatar is not and won't ever be my picture, but it has nothing to do with the forum members or the forum itself. I presume I am alredy listed in gov files just by being here. It has to do with my daily work, I do not want problem resulting from being on a forum like Avalon with my customers.

[Gardener]

lol yea I noticed that on a few posts here now, and personal thoughts. 'frequency resonance'?

Raf.

PS: What was that, SilentFeathers? Telepathy? Looks like we both updated our posts to talk about web crawlers precisely at the same time!

[SilentFeathers]

By the way, just a quick observation.

I was in my wife´s grandmother house; She suffers from Alzheimer and takes pretty heavy medications.

I´ve witnessed, first hand, the old lady complaining about the spiders to her nurse. She was like "Oh God! I can´t stand these spiders anymore! They´re everywhere!".

Oh, another thing. I don´t know if there´s a connection at all, but search engines like google call their web bots "crawlers".

From wikipedia, on web crawlers: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_crawler)


A Web crawler is a computer program that browses the World Wide Web in a methodical, automated manner or in an orderly fashion.
Other terms for Web crawlers are ants, automatic indexers, bots,Web spiders,Web robots,or—especially in the FOAF community—Web scutters.
This process is called Web crawling or spidering. Many sites, in particular search engines, use spidering as a means of providing up-to-date data. Web crawlers are mainly used to create a copy of all the visited pages for later processing by a search engine that will index the downloaded pages to provide fast searches. Crawlers can also be used for automating maintenance tasks on a Web site, such as checking links or validating HTML code. Also, crawlers can be used to gather specific types of information from Web pages, such as harvesting e-mail addresses (usually for sending spam).

Raf.

PS: What was that, SilentFeathers? Telepathy? Looks like we both updated our posts to talk about web crawlers precisely at the same time!

I noticed that! synchronicity!

Check this out....changing a few words or looking at this from a slightly different angle can really make one wonder!


A spider trap causes a web crawler to enter something like an infinite loop, which wastes the spider's resources, lowers its productivity, and, in the case of a poorly written crawler, can crash the program. Polite spiders alternate requests between different hosts, and don't request documents from the same server more than once every several seconds, meaning that a "polite" web crawler is affected to a much lesser degree than an "impolite" crawler.
In addition, sites with spider traps usually have a robots.txt telling bots not to go to the trap, so a legitimate "polite" bot would not fall into the trap, whereas an "impolite" bot which disregards the robots.txt settings would be affected by the trap.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_trap

If we humans are actually building the system for "them", then we can also build it with "spider traps" too! or firewalls....

[RMorgan]

So, here it goes folks.

Quoting from Vivek´s post:


And in 2003 they launched what’s called the AI system, which is an intelligent super-computer with the Intelligence of a human being -- in other words, a smart human being but able to think 10 trillion times faster, with the access to all known knowledge and history and a complete access to the Internet and all the communications pathways.


The infrastructure of the internet (and many technological communications systems) mimics the main structural characteristics of mind.

Quoting from my post, about web spiders:


This process is called Web crawling or spidering. Many sites, in particular search engines, use spidering as a means of providing up-to-date data. Web crawlers are mainly used to create a copy of all the visited pages for later processing by a search engine that will index the downloaded pages to provide fast searches. Crawlers can also be used for automating maintenance tasks on a Web site, such as checking links or validating HTML code. Also, crawlers can be used to gather specific types of information from Web pages, such as harvesting e-mail addresses (usually for sending spam).

So, what if these shadow spiders, astral spiders or scuttlers, are to our minds, the same as web spiders/crawlers are to the internet, since the structure of the internet is very similar to the structure of our minds?

What if these shadow spiders/scuttlers are providing a similar service, meaning that they are "mainly used to create a copy of all the visited (memories/knowledge) for later processing by a search engine (central AI system) that will index the downloaded (memories/knowledge)?"

WOW!

Could the internet be an experiment, a prototype, a simulation of what they intend to do to our minds? An artificial/organic hybrid network of some kind? The ultimate goal of trans-humanism?

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

I think "spiders" overtook your thread 9eagle9....:)

[SilentFeathers]

So, here it goes folks.

Quoting from Vivek´s post:


And in 2003 they launched what’s called the AI system, which is an intelligent super-computer with the Intelligence of a human being -- in other words, a smart human being but able to think 10 trillion times faster, with the access to all known knowledge and history and a complete access to the Internet and all the communications pathways.


The infrastructure of the internet (and many technological communications systems) mimics the main structural characteristics of mind.

Quoting from my post, about web spiders:


This process is called Web crawling or spidering. Many sites, in particular search engines, use spidering as a means of providing up-to-date data. Web crawlers are mainly used to create a copy of all the visited pages for later processing by a search engine that will index the downloaded pages to provide fast searches. Crawlers can also be used for automating maintenance tasks on a Web site, such as checking links or validating HTML code. Also, crawlers can be used to gather specific types of information from Web pages, such as harvesting e-mail addresses (usually for sending spam).

So, what if these shadow spiders, astral spiders or scuttlers, are to our minds, the same as web spiders/crawlers are to the internet, since the structure of the internet is very similar to the structure of our minds?

What if these shadow spiders/scuttlers are providing a similar service, meaning that they are "mainly used to create a copy of all the visited (memories/knowledge) for later processing by a search engine (central AI system) that will index the downloaded (memories/knowledge)?"

WOW!

Could the internet be an experiment, a prototype, a simulation of what they intend to do to our minds?

Raf.

Now now Raf, be careful, you do not want to expose too many secrets of the Gods....

[Gardener]

This might explain something! How the 'matrix' responds to our efforts to get out. AND how verbalising a plan can somehow thwart it. At strategic growth times in my journey life has chucked in a spanner. I might pick up a (specifically useful) book and have to fight overwhelming sleepiness, despite it being profoundly interesting.

So, here it goes folks.

Quoting from Vivek´s post:


And in 2003 they launched what’s called the AI system, which is an intelligent super-computer with the Intelligence of a human being -- in other words, a smart human being but able to think 10 trillion times faster, with the access to all known knowledge and history and a complete access to the Internet and all the communications pathways.


The infrastructure of the internet (and many technological communications systems) mimics the main structural characteristics of mind.

Quoting from my post, about web spiders:


This process is called Web crawling or spidering. Many sites, in particular search engines, use spidering as a means of providing up-to-date data. Web crawlers are mainly used to create a copy of all the visited pages for later processing by a search engine that will index the downloaded pages to provide fast searches. Crawlers can also be used for automating maintenance tasks on a Web site, such as checking links or validating HTML code. Also, crawlers can be used to gather specific types of information from Web pages, such as harvesting e-mail addresses (usually for sending spam).

So, what if these shadow spiders, astral spiders or scuttlers, are to our minds, the same as web spiders/crawlers are to the internet, since the structure of the internet is very similar to the structure of our minds?

What if these shadow spiders/scuttlers are providing a similar service, meaning that they are "mainly used to create a copy of all the visited (memories/knowledge) for later processing by a search engine (central AI system) that will index the downloaded (memories/knowledge)?"

WOW!

Raf.

[gripreaper]

I'll post this here, because I think this thread is drilling down to what the heck is going on.

My take is: They've got some new toy that they are beta testing, and it has something to do with manipulating brain waves and consciousness, on a level we've never experienced before. The internet is involved, I agree. This new toy feels fully and totally integrated to me, both in the digital sphere, but also the physical and astral.

You guys are spot on.

[RMorgan]

This might explain something! How the 'matrix' responds to our efforts to get out. AND how verbalising a plan can somehow thwart it. At strategic growth times in my journey life has chucked in a spanner. I might pick up a (specifically useful) book and have to fight overwhelming sleepiness, despite it being profoundly interesting.

This is happening to me right now. I´m struggling to keep my mind focused and having a hard time typing these words on the keyboard.


I'll post this here, because I think this thread is drilling down to what the heck is going on.

My take is: They've got some new toy that they are beta testing, and it has something to do with manipulating brain waves and consciousness, on a level we've never experienced before. The internet is involved, I agree. This new toy feels fully and totally integrated to me, both in the digital sphere, but also the physical and astral.

You guys are spot on.

Exactly! That´s exactly what I think! I agree 100%!

[SilentFeathers]

Could the internet be an experiment, a prototype, a simulation of what they intend to do to our minds? An artificial/organic hybrid network of some kind? The ultimate goal of trans-humanism?


or a small group of sinister psychopaths trying to be God-like....

"Never let a good invention go to waste"

[Jeffrey]

Raf, what a great connection/correlation!

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I also remember Bill Ryan telling us about a conversation that he'd been made to forget. He was speaking with someone about artificial intelligence and the man wouldn't talk because something was eve's dropping. When he finally could speak about it they both began to get very tired. Bill couldn't remember that snippet of the conversation. I'm going to dig that one up.

Here are some excerpts from the testimony of Project Avalon whistleblower "Jake Simpson" regarding AI.




The AI surveillance system, Jake told us, was literally "out of this world". It operates hyperdimensionally, based on a highly advanced quantum computing model that is basically our development based on acquired alien technology.

[...]

Jake's actions in being sensitive to this device (if device is the right word) - by waiting for exactly the right 'window' of opportunity to tell us certain things - were not fully understood by us until I (Bill Ryan) had the following experience.

On our last night together, sitting out in the open after a barbecue, at about 2 am, Jake decided to tell me some things he had not previously revealed, surveillance or no surveillance. As he began to speak, he immediately encountered problems, as if trying to force himself through a barrier. Simultaneously, I found I was being put to sleep and could hardly keep my eyes open. We both spotted what was happening, and remarked on it to one another.

Jake forced himself to keep talking, and I made myself keep listening through a spell of overwhelming dopiness. This episode lasted half an hour or maybe more. We were being forcibly stopped, in real time, from communicating effectively, as a direct and immediate response to our intentions.

It's very important to understand that this was unconnected with electromagnetics, hidden microphones, targeted beams, or anything else of that nature. My own reference point for what happened was a kind of negative radionics (which also works hyperdimensionally, but as a positive health modality).

In the end we concluded our conversation, now pretty tired. The next morning I simply could not recall what Jake had told me - and still can't. Upon meeting him again and reporting that I couldn't remember a thing about our conversation except for the weird effects we had both experienced, he replied wryly:


Maybe it's just as well.

[...]

Finally, Jake told us of research that had unlocked technology surrounding access to other dimensional states of existence.

Source: http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html

This is the one I was talking about!

[SilentFeathers]

I'll post this here, because I think this thread is drilling down to what the heck is going on.

My take is: They've got some new toy that they are beta testing, and it has something to do with manipulating brain waves and consciousness, on a level we've never experienced before. The internet is involved, I agree. This new toy feels fully and totally integrated to me, both in the digital sphere, but also the physical and astral.

You guys are spot on.

If so, perhaps our spirit and or soul is the spider trap or firewall they can not fully penetrate and or master (enslave)......they realize they can not win/succeed by capturing and enslaving our bodies and minds only and are testing new toys trying to figure out how to get our spirit and soul too.

[gripreaper]

I'll post this here, because I think this thread is drilling down to what the heck is going on.

My take is: They've got some new toy that they are beta testing, and it has something to do with manipulating brain waves and consciousness, on a level we've never experienced before. The internet is involved, I agree. This new toy feels fully and totally integrated to me, both in the digital sphere, but also the physical and astral.

You guys are spot on.

If so, perhaps our spirit and or soul is the spider trap or firewall they can not fully penetrate and or master (enslave)......they realize they can not win/succeed by capturing and enslaving our bodies and minds only and are testing new toys trying to figure out how to get our spirit and soul too.

That's always been the dilemma, how to capture the immortal essence, the soul. Yes, they are good at vampiring energy, manipulating consciousness, conditioning hive mind mentality, auto-suggestion to create patsy's to do their bidding, hybridizing psychopathic humanoids who have no empathy, cloning, splicing, and creating new hybrid species...BUT

Damned if they can't capture the soul!!! Is this what we are seeing and experiencing lately?

[RMorgan]

In the end we concluded our conversation, now pretty tired. The next morning I simply could not recall what Jake had told me - and still can't. Upon meeting him again and reporting that I couldn't remember a thing about our conversation except for the weird effects we had both experienced, he replied wryly:


Of course! The scuttlers erased his memories. I´m 100% sure they can do that, in fact, as I already told you via PM, Vivek, when the scuttlers appear to fade away, they don´t actually disappear, they erase themselves from your mind/memory.

For some unknown reason, I´m becoming immune or managing to work around this process, and that´s why I can observe them for minutes sometimes nowadays, instead of just a few seconds.

Please, someone let me know if we´re going too far here.

[9eagle9]

Down will come the rain eventually and wash the spider out. ..lol. I don't mind it needs to be said this may take us all over the place and its no longer 'my ' thread, this is our problem we are tackling and I'm glad to see GripReaper bringing their insights into it as well. I'd like to thank everyone for their insights no matter how out there they sounded to us on a personal level it seems some common ground is being found here.


I think "spiders" overtook your thread 9eagle9....:)

[Jeffrey]

http://journal.borderlands.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Crosse.gif + http://nehovistecose.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/men-in-black-3-m-640x425.jpg?w=640&h=417


Hahaha, no way is it too far! This is great, we need to keep it raw and unconstrained (creativity at it's best) ... we can whittle it down later.

:)

[araucaria]

Rahkyt, I can't begin to dissect or expound upon your brilliant post, at least at this time (speaking of which, thanks for reminding me about Vivek's thread!). I am curious about the Command Structure level of your proposed hierarchy, and what specifically would constitute a disparate energy collective? Also, are we only able to influence the lower two levels; the flyers by virtue of our inner work, and the Aggregators by reforming the groups and institutions off of which they feed? Is progress on these levels diminished or nullified by the efficacy of the theoretical Queen's activity?

As an aside, I find it strange that snakes are so often used to represent evil, when there is a much more accurate metaphor for these forces:

http://www.chart.nu/spider.jpg

If the flies were aware of the web, they'd never get caught.

Why do flies get caught? Because they move around in three-dimensional space until the spider imprisons them in its two-dimensional web.

[SilentFeathers]

I'll post this here, because I think this thread is drilling down to what the heck is going on.

My take is: They've got some new toy that they are beta testing, and it has something to do with manipulating brain waves and consciousness, on a level we've never experienced before. The internet is involved, I agree. This new toy feels fully and totally integrated to me, both in the digital sphere, but also the physical and astral.

You guys are spot on.

If so, perhaps our spirit and or soul is the spider trap or firewall they can not fully penetrate and or master (enslave)......they realize they can not win/succeed by capturing and enslaving our bodies and minds only and are testing new toys trying to figure out how to get our spirit and soul too.

That's always been the dilemma, how to capture the immortal essence, the soul. Yes, they are good at vampiring energy, manipulating consciousness, conditioning hive mind mentality, auto-suggestion to create patsy's to do their bidding, hybridizing psychopathic humanoids who have no empathy, cloning, splicing, and creating new hybrid species...BUT

Damned if they can't capture the soul!!! Is this what we are seeing and experiencing lately?

Personally I see this as a small group of human psychopaths trying to be God-like, or actually GOD-Master of the Universe, and using technology to get there.

If there was an alien presence a million or a billion years more advanced than us doing it, well, it would be a done deal; game over.

Most of these toys are so top secret and advanced, most well educated and windows 8 users and tech geeks would think they were "alien" technologies.

I do not write off the alien possibility or some type of influence completely, but what I mostly see going on around the planet today is a small group of psychopaths hell bent on owning and ruling the planet and being Gods or God-like.

[9eagle9]

So it seems this ...uhm...stuff...is a mimick or artificially re-created replica of the real thing. The internet is based on the mind, the 'their' mind is based on our mind and I'd have to suggest that hyperdimensional technology is based on the way we go hyperdimensional.

Good. Now we just have to find out what is live and what is Memorex.

[another bob]

There is something in our soul they want, "loosh" is just a rough approximation. We can even see it here at PA on the micro level, operating right in the open, and it has been flushed out of the shadows to some extent recently, so it is retaliating, because it cannot afford to relinquish control.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

I just want to make clear that I´m utterly serious about everything I´m talking about here.

Raf.

[9eagle9]

You are Raf, as noted in another thread, this is the most important conversation(s) we may have at this point in our somewhat wretched history. And I am with you there. We are certainly prompting some 'new' experiences here.

As Bob said it can't afford to relinquish control and we can no longer afford to let it have control. Not just on a global level. The personal hell that otherwise normal seeming people live in is enough to prompt us to go forwards. It may be a love and light hell or a damnation wretched hell but they are both prisons created by this artifact.

[gripreaper]

This does seem somewhat iconic, and ironic at this time, as we talk about astral spiders, or flyers integrated with the digital internet.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/24/article-0-17252D7A000005DC-258_634x385.jpg

Right on his third eye front feeling chakra center too.

[Gardener]

OO nice connection grip

This does seem somewhat iconic, and ironic at this time, as we talk about astral spiders, or flyers integrated with the digital internet.

Right on his third eye front feeling chakra center too.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

And...How about this, to illustrate an omniscient quantum Central AI system, which can connect and manipulate people´s minds through multi-dimensional data-collecting organisms?

http://www.republicdomain.com/photos/bulkupload//wallpapers78/One-Dollar-Pyramid-Seal.JPG

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

This does seem somewhat iconic, and ironic at this time, as we talk about astral spiders, or flyers integrated with the digital internet.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/24/article-0-17252D7A000005DC-258_634x385.jpg

Right on his third eye front feeling chakra center too.

It's his favorite drone...sure does look like a real fly though

[Freed Fox]

Personally this gives me an apocalyptic feeling. And no, I'm not talking about any Y2K or 12-21 ascension, but something which touches on the literal origins of the word 'apocalypse'. That is, the great revealing; uncovering the deceptions; lifting the veil.

Was the bible accurate in stating that there will be a final battle between good and evil? If so, it seems that recognizing the enemy and bringing it into the light would serve as the initial phase of such a prophesy. I don't know how prepared I actually am for such a thing, and I might even find myself terrified when push does at last come to shove, but for now I find the prospect to be truly thrilling. Of course, trying to be realistic and not feed any self-aggrandizing fantasy. After all, I know that I would surely be only a small part of this larger process.

From what I understand, 'their' mind (as it's been termed) was modeled after our mind, or at the very least, it exists as a shadow of our mind. If the internet was constructed in a similar fashion, was this intentional or merely a result of its function as a storehouse for information, and a means of 'axial connections' made between each of us in our communication and sharing ideas? Is the reason that we see it exemplified here because the internet is an extension of it, or because this is a neutral ground of sorts where the struggle can take place on a new level and scale?

Sorry, don't mean to ramble, just want to keep it 'raw and unconstrained', letting the ideas flow. ;)

[RMorgan]

Personally this gives me an apocalyptic feeling. And no, I'm not talking about any Y2K or 12-21 ascension, but something which touches on the literal origins of the word 'apocalypse'. That is, the great revealing; uncovering the deceptions; lifting the veil.

Was the bible accurate in stating that there will be a final battle between good and evil? If so, it seems that recognizing the enemy and bringing it into the light would serve as the initial phase of such a prophesy. I don't know how prepared I actually am for such a thing, and I might even find myself terrified when push does at last come to shove, but for now I find the prospect to be truly thrilling. Of course, trying to be realistic and not feed any self-aggrandizing fantasy. After all, I know that I would surely be only a small part of this larger process.

From what I understand, 'their' mind (as it's been termed) was modeled after our mind, or at the very least, it exists as a shadow of our mind. If the internet was constructed in a similar fashion, was this intentional or merely a result of its function as a storehouse for information, and a means of 'axial connections' made between each of us in our communication and sharing ideas? Is the reason that we see it exemplified here because the internet is an extension of it, or because this is a neutral ground of sorts where the struggle can take place on a new level and scale?

Sorry, don't mean to ramble, just want to keep it 'raw and unconstrained', letting the ideas flow. ;)

Funny thing, FreedFox...I was at the library a few weeks ago and saw a book on a table...Someone left it there, for the librarian to pick up and store it in the appropriate shelf.

Well, I was never a big fan of the author, and the book was pretty thick, about 1300 pages.

Somehow, I decided to pick the book and read it. Nice book, after all.

The name of the book was "The Stand", by Stephen King, and it was exactly about it.

A big fight between Good and Evil.

Not that it matters, but I decided to share it with you anyway.

Raf.

[Heartsong]

Hey You all, those given to the greater wisdom.

Please keep talking. I've learned so much about the nature of my own mind and the path of my life. I may not save the world but I'll know enough to protect myself and maybe others.

Heartsong

[Gardener]

Apparently, idk how true this is but the 'age' we have been and still are moving into (Aquarious) has this as its theme 'To Know' Whereas the age of Pisces was 'I think or I believe'. There are many here who know much more than me about astrogical influence, I got this from astrotheology. (as explained by Jordan Maxwell and Santos Bonacci)
Freed Fox --->
That is, the great revealing; uncovering the deceptions; lifting the veil.

[Freed Fox]

Apparently, idk how true this is but the 'age' we have been and still are moving into (Aquarious) has this as its theme 'To Know' Whereas the age of Pisces was 'I think or I believe'. There are many here who know much more than me about astrogical influence, I got this from astrotheology. (as explained by Jordan Maxwell and Santos Bonacci)
Freed Fox --->
That is, the great revealing; uncovering the deceptions; lifting the veil.

Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse:

"An apocalypse (Ancient Greek: ἀποκάλυψις apocálypsis, from ἀπό and καλύπτω meaning 'un-covering'), translated literally from Greek, is a disclosure of knowledge, hidden from humanity in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception, i.e., a lifting of the veil or revelation, although this sense did not enter English until the 14th century.[1] In religious contexts it is usually a disclosure of something hidden."

That's interesting about Pisces and Aquarius, I was unaware that those themes were attached to them.

[Gardener]

Interesting how 'Apocalypse' the unveiling, has been co-opted to mean 'massive destruction, end of the world type, biblical scenario'

[SilentFeathers]

Interesting how 'Apocalypse' the unveiling, has been co-opted to mean 'massive destruction, end of the world type, biblical scenario'

Another mass deception by ziggy stardust and the "spiders" from mars :)

[Mark]

Speaking of AIs and such, there is the idea of the "saturn machine" (http://everwakeupbleedingfromthethirdeye.blogspot.com/2011/09/machine.html) that can be added to the mix. The previous link has some intresting correlations to popular culture that show a pervasive indoctrination going on in this regard. Saturn is also Molech/Moloch, which the Elite worship so the correlation makes sense. There is connections to gyroscopes and a lot of symbols for corporations and mass media as well. There are connections there people are making that relate to this thread and this idea of parasitical energies at the cosmic level above the visceral range of the foreign installation.

The following video series consists of relatively short segments, it's writing but also contains relevant clues in regards to the overall context of saturn worship, 911, time manipulation and ultra dimensional entities, AI and the transhumanist agenda, the merging of mind, body and machine.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud_vYWT32YY

This video is from Jordan Maxwell who expounds upon the Saturn cult even further. He connects saturn worship to the elite and ancient worship practices and as the basis for the judeo-christian-islamic religous institution. It's all relevant, it's all interconnected to the overall system.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgRSjyyBKOM

[SilentFeathers]

From what I understand, 'their' mind (as it's been termed) was modeled after our mind, or at the very least, it exists as a shadow of our mind.

What if this was the other way around?

Just a thought :)

[NancyV]

I'll post this here, because I think this thread is drilling down to what the heck is going on.

My take is: They've got some new toy that they are beta testing, and it has something to do with manipulating brain waves and consciousness, on a level we've never experienced before. The internet is involved, I agree. This new toy feels fully and totally integrated to me, both in the digital sphere, but also the physical and astral.

You guys are spot on.
Back in 1994-5 when I met my present husband on the Internet (AOL), I was quite new to online interactions as were most people. Many of us on AOL who were engaging in live chatting began to have very strong experiences, like telepathically connecting with others and I had an experience where I actually merged with the Source WHILE I was on the phone with a friend who called that I knew from AOL who had also been experiencing these intense phenomena. I knew at least 20-30 people who were realizing the power of connecting through the Internet. It seemed to activate some natural abilities that we all have and that are usually tapped into through meditation. But this was from focusing so strongly while chatting that we went into the altered space while on the Internet.

Then it became more interesting. I was contacted by someone who had apparently been watching what was going on. He began to tell me of a group that he was forming, basically for the government or some secret part of the government. They had noticed that many of us were having psychic and "spiritual" experiences via the Internet and they wanted to study it, study us and have a few of us participate in their project. I spoke with him and his wife several times and was somewhat interested. It was just beginning to get a bit strange when I met my future husband/soul-mate on AOL and my attention was spent mostly on planning to meet him.

It got more strange and interesting when this man asked me if I had any huge moral objections to targeted assassinations which could influence world history. I know they checked me out thoroughly because he was aware of my past of working for the DEA in Mexico/South America and my 7 years meditating and following a guru! He also indicated that we would be learning to influence others with our minds, powers, etc. As far as my answer to that question, which someone may wonder about (or not) I do not have any moral objections to targeted assassinations but I doubt I could trust anyone who would make the decision on who was to be eliminated. Besides, I think people like Hitler were marvelous catalysts for change and ultimate beneficial evolution, although they were monsters. So when do we interfere with the natural order of things? I guess whenever we choose to and then it's either good or bad or both and so what.

Well, I was beginning to have second thoughts about getting involved in this project, although it intrigued me, when my husband came to meet me. We immediately fell in love and got married 3 weeks later. In the first week he was there I got a call from this man. I had already told Mikal (my husband) about him and he took a dim view of it since he was from a special ops background for many years. He said "give me the phone". I gave it to him and he talked with this man. When he was finished they never contacted me again. He scared the crap out of him basically, but he's like that. LOL

Could it be that certain people/the government/black ops/ET's, whatever... knew, even back then, that the Internet can be a huge tool of evolution that is dangerous to their agendas of control... and not just because of the information it allows us to acquire more easily. Along with any advanced technologies they may have that can disrupt or influence people mentally perhaps they also have people, like I might have become if I had accepted the offer to join this project. These people may be deliberately influencing and manipulating others through the Internet with their minds.....for their employers/masters. Their minds may even be enhanced with some advanced technology.

So perhaps it isn't only entities or technology that is aligned against us on the Internet, it may also be psychics in the employ of someone who does not have our best interests in mind. I don't rule out anything completely while still not getting stuck in any one belief. That leaves room for anything. Anything is possible and the game is multi-level and complex. We just need to become wise players if we choose to participate actively in the game.

[araucaria]

Hey folks,

And...How about this, to illustrate an omniscient quantum Central AI system, which can connect and manipulate people´s minds through multi-dimensional data-collecting organisms?

http://www.republicdomain.com/photos/bulkupload//wallpapers78/One-Dollar-Pyramid-Seal.JPG

Raf.

Hey Raf, I detect a couple of problems with what you say here. Are you using the word omniscient in the proper meaning of the word, i.e. all-knowing? If so, no data collecting is necessary. If not, it is a mistake in my view to ascribe omniscience to something that is not omniscient since this amounts to papering over, instead of exploiting, its fatal hidden weakness.

Secondly, to manipulate the minds of your data collectors would merely result in deceiving yourself. If you take your temperature with a thermometer you yourself have tampered with, don't expect to get a correct reading.

[gripreaper]

For those who wish to back engineer the phenomenon of social engineering of perception, and the advent of public relations and human resource, this is a good documentary.

The culmination, and completion of this perceptive nightmare, and the implications of a fully integrated digital system, which can tap into the mind at any frequency, as well as the energetic and astral aspects of any empathic human being, are staggering.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a0s1YBqgIdg

[Curt]

Would it be fair to say this thread is a gathering place for gnostic perspectives? Whatever it is, it appears to have called together an incredible amount of knowledge and wisdom from many sources. And yet there seems to be coherency.

Whatever it is I'm looking at, what's being discussed here seems fundamental to me.

It seems like an important introduction to real information. By saying that, I just want to acknowledge it.

Logic and intuition appear to be present in equal measure in this space. Many good threads are often heavy in one or the other. This seems balanced.

Not to dwell.

I have a question about the role of meditation in freeing oneself from the recursive madness of 'Their Mind'. Rahkyt had mentioned his cigarette meditation when he first noticed Their Mind at work.

That triggered curiosity on my part.

Many of our Buddhist members have shared insights on meditation elsewhere. But I'm wondering about meditation as a tool for freeing oneself of Their Mind.

I'm wondering what role meditation can play specifically with respect to getting beyond Their Mind.

I have a notion that meditation would be an excellent tool for the job. So, if anyone has any insights to share, and/or any practical information on the 'practice of meditation' as tailored for this purpose, please share it.

I'm hoping it will not only be helpful for me, but for others as well.

[Freed Fox]

Curtis, I don't have any practical tips in regard to meditation, as I haven't specifically used it toward that end. But this thread and the concept of 'their' mind have helped to provide me with a great deal of context and perspective on the events of the past three years of my life.

I cursed the suffering as I felt it, and I would have scoffed at the idea that any of it had a purpose. I realize now that it was, in part, overcoming this parasitical influence gripping my life, driving me to become something that I'm not. I realize now that I'm thankful for the opportunity it provided me.

That was the simplest technique, which was still surprisingly effective; I asked myself, in the moment, "is this me?" "Is this who I am?" It allows one to step back from the intensity of those emotions and assess them.

[modwiz]

Logic and intuition appear to be present in equal measure in this space. Many good threads are often heavy in one or the other. This seems balanced.


I agree about the balance. This is not a cold intellectual thread. It clearly demonstrates what balance between the Eb and Mb (Emotional and Mental subtle bodies) can produce. This is a compassionate thread. D-Day has a Ken Wilber quote about compassion as his signature. I am going to post it here:

"Real compassoin kicks butt and takes names and is not pleasant on certain days. If you are not ready for this FIRE, then find a 'New Age' sweetness and light, perpetually smiling teacher and learn to re-label your ego with spiritual sounding terms. But, stay away from people who practice REAL COMPASSION, because they will FRY YOUR ASS, my friend." ~ Ken Wilber

[Mark]

More Saturn stuff. I've looked at them all and they are relevant.

First a vid series about Saturn as a "spiritual-numerical entity". A super-computer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A9n14uvsYo

http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2008/07/saturn-satan-and-666.html

Excerpt:

“The ancient name of Saturn was, as mentioned, EL. It is the reason why those that were chosen by EL, were called Elites. In fact the words, Elect, Elder, Elevated, Elohim, Temple, Circle, Gospel, Apostle, Disciple, Evangelists, etc., all derive from the Cult of EL. Angels are messengers of god. But god was EL, which is why we have the names of the Archangels bearing the ‘el,’ suffix - Raphael, Michael, Uriel, Gabriel, etc,.” -Michael Tsarion, “Astrotheology and Sidereal Mythology”

http://illuminatiwatcher.com/?p=4673
Excerpt:

David Talbot’s book ‘Saturn Myth’ explains that during the cataclysm of Saturn, there was a luminous crescent around what we saw as our sun at the time. This crescent/disk combination of the sun is where we get the horned goddess symbolism. Troy McLachlan details a similar story on his website. Icke relates this crescent and disk to the explanation for several corporate logos (e.g. Nike swoosh) and ancient depictions.

Ba’al aka Moloch is also symbolized as a bull with Saturn in middle of its crescent shaped horns. The horns create a ‘U’ type shape which is supposedly the crescent seen during the Saturn cataclysm. Moloch is another symbol of Saturn and the bull is found all over the place if you look. The infamous devil horns are simply a recreation of the evil forces of Saturn. The political leaders we see making the ‘rockstar’ devil horns is supposedly a subtle message of symbolism to one another.

I'm a big fan of Kubrick (RIP) so I'm including this one:
http://saturndeathcult.com/crimes-of-the-saturn-death-cult/stanley-kubrick-and-the-saturn-death-cult/
Excerpt:

During a March 6, 2011 interview on Red Ice Radio, Weidner asserted that Kubrick had originally wanted to set the story’s monolith on the planet Saturn as it is written in the Arthur C. Clarke novel of the same name and not on Jupiter as it appears in Kubrick’s film. However, the special effects team apparently could not replicate Saturn’s rings well enough and Jupiter was substituted into the plot.

Weidner doesn’t buy this. He believes Kubrick was pressured to make the changes by highly placed occultists worried that the film was too blatant in its depiction of the role played by Saturn in their occult human transmutation agenda. However, from the perspective of this website’s core theme there are enough eerily familiar images in 2001: A Space Odyssey to suggest that Kubrick did in fact get ‘Saturn’ into his film.

I'll end with this short video of Phillip K. Dick, back in 1977. Timelines, the Matrix as Computer Simulation, etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkjdlkCtdrI

The evidence is out there and people know about it. Putting it together in the context of ultradimensional control is the last step in understanding the way to total freedom from control.

[another bob]

Would it be fair to say this thread is a gathering place for gnostic perspectives? Whatever it is, it appears to have called together an incredible amount of knowledge and wisdom from many sources. And yet there seems to be coherency.

Whatever it is I'm looking at, what's being discussed here seems fundamental to me.

It seems like an important introduction to real information. By saying that, I just want to acknowledge it.

Logic and intuition appear to be present in equal measure in this space. Many good threads are often heavy in one or the other. This seems balanced.

Not to dwell.

I have a question about the role of meditation in freeing oneself from the recursive madness of 'Their Mind'. Rahkyt had mentioned his cigarette meditation when he first noticed Their Mind at work.

That triggered curiosity on my part.

Many of our Buddhist members have shared insights on meditation elsewhere. But I'm wondering about meditation as a tool for freeing oneself of Their Mind.

I'm wondering what role meditation can play specifically with respect to getting beyond Their Mind.

I have a notion that meditation would be an excellent tool for the job. So, if anyone has any insights to share, and/or any practical information on the 'practice of meditation' as tailored for this purpose, please share it.

I'm hoping it will not only be helpful for me, but for others as well.



“The grand trick of those sorcerers of ancient times was to burden the flyers’ mind with discipline. Sorcerers found out that if they taxed the flyers’ mind with inner silence, the foreign installation would flee, and give any one of the practitioners involved in this maneuver the total certainty of the mind’s foreign origin. [It] comes back, I assure you, but not as strong; and a process begins in which the fleeing of the flyers’ mind becomes routine until one day it flees permanently.”
~Don Juan Matus, “The Active Side of Infinity”, by Carlos Castenada

I go into some detail about this here: http://theconsciousprocess.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/the-discipline-of-silence/

I have practiced meditation for half a century, including 7 years of Christian contemplative practices, then receiving intensive Zen meditation training from 3 different Zen Masters over the course of a dozen years, as well as further training from two Siddha Yoga masters. However, my supreme teacher is Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, and it is to his recommendations which I would direct anybody who is sincerely interested in the matter of awakening from the nightmare of slavery to "their mind", through the practice of meditation/inquiry.

In a critical passage of his written teaching, he says, "You must watch yourself continuously - particularly your mind - moment by moment, missing nothing. This witnessing is essential for the separation of the self from the not-self."

What he refers to as the "not-self" is exacxtly what we are talking about when we speak of "their mind". Along with Don Juan and many other sages throughout history, sch as Ramana Maharshi, he points to the necessity of silence as the condition for awakening, and is very generous in offering an efficient tool in such pusuit -- that is, bringing attention to awareness itself, and keeping it there until the revelation unfolds.

“Whatever happens in consciousness is purely imaginary, a hallucination. Therefore keep in mind the knowledge that it is consciousness in which everything is happening. With that knowledge, be still, do not pursue any other thoughts which arise in consciousness.”

I will paste a link here that methodically elaborates his recommendations. There may be certain terms and references which do not strike a cord. Just move through them to the heart of the matter, which he repeats over and over.

As a helpful note, what I found when I studied his teachings, were that the words have a lot of power for transformation, if absorbed in an undistracted state. I would read a few lines, and then just let them sink in, rather than the usual method of gathering quantities of information. Just a single line may be enough to plunge one into very deep spaciousness.

http://albigen.com/uarelove/nisargadatta_practice.aspx

[gripreaper]

Logic and intuition appear to be present in equal measure in this space. Many good threads are often heavy in one or the other. This seems balanced.


I agree about the balance. This is not a cold intellectual thread. It clearly demonstrates what balance between the Eb and Mb (Emotional and Mental subtle bodies) can produce. This is a compassionate thread. D-Day has a Ken Wilber quote about compassion as his signature. I am going to post it here:

"Real compassoin kicks butt and takes names and is not pleasant on certain days. If you are not ready for this FIRE, then find a 'New Age' sweetness and light, perpetually smiling teacher and learn to re-label your ego with spiritual sounding terms. But, stay away from people who practice REAL COMPASSION, because they will FRY YOUR ASS, my friend." ~ Ken Wilber


Funny you should mention Ken Wilbur. Back in the 90's I read most everything he wrote. I much remember the effect his book " A Brief History of Everything" had on my life.

[9eagle9]

Throws stones and screams at SilentFeathers until she falls coughing and gagging in the dust.

then throws dust after before a last convulsion.

Our mind was duplicated from theirs?


Indeed.


From what I understand, 'their' mind (as it's been termed) was modeled after our mind, or at the very least, it exists as a shadow of our mind.

What if this was the other way around?

Just a thought :)

[Jeffrey]

More Saturn stuff. I've looked at them all and they are relevant.

[...]

I'll end with this short video of Phillip K. Dick, back in 1977. Timelines, the Matrix as Computer Simulation, etc.

[...]

The evidence is out there and people know about it. Putting it together in the context of ultradimensional control is the last step in understanding the way to total freedom from control.

Rahkyt, thank you. Incredible things are surfacing!

Check this out. Aleister Crowley and Jack Parsons -- the spider and the portal.

Here is an excerpt from an article called, Symbolism of Spiders & Tarot:




Tucked away around the edges, cobwebs appear on the Thoth Art card. There is nothing in Aleister Crowley's commentary on spiders or cobwebs, but there is a comment in Liber 777 on Column XXXVIII:



The Spider is particularly sacred to Tiphereth. It is written that she "taketh hold with her hands and is in king's palaces." (The most characteristic title of Tiphereth is "Palace of the King.") She has six legs and is in the centre of her web exactly as Tiphereth is in the centre of the Sephiroth of Ruach.

Now of course Spiders have eight legs, and it is doubtful that Crowley was unaware of this. On the Tree of Life, the Art card is on the vertical path from Yesod to Tiphereth, so it is as if we enter Tiphereth through a cobwebbed portal. Spiders have the ability to span distances through silken threads, and cobwebs of course span space. Another interesting point is that Tipareth is masculine, particularly the Son/Sun, but Crowley refers to the Spider as 'She', so we may well infer that the Spider enables us to access different worlds Tipareth to Malkuth or Kether of Trees above and below.

[...]

Most people see the Tree of Life as having three paths connecting Malkuth at the bottom to the rest of the Tree, but this is not the only arrangement. Some early versions have a single path from Yesod to Malkuth, and if we include the symbol of the Spider, as the Golden Dawn did, we have only a slightly abstracted version of the Tree as a cobweb with suspended spider. Vogh identifies the Spider as lunar, and we know that the Lunar or Feminine aspects of divinity were suppressed in Kabbalah.

Source: http://supertarot.co.uk/thoth/spider-tarot.htm

Tiphereth is the middle node (the one with six "legs" -- third on up from the bottom) on the Tree of Life according to Kabbalah.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d5/Ktreewnames.png/192px-Ktreewnames.png

Keep in mind that spells and magic words would be similar to what ASCII or C++ languages are for computer systems. In this case, magic practitioners equate to computer programmers -- they know the language in which the matrix operates under.

So, Jack Parsons (of NASA, and Thelemic occultist) wrote The Book of Babylon and in it is an interesting line that takes on new (uncovered maybe) meaning within this context.

Here is the excerpt from that book (lines 66-70):




66. Work your spells by the mode of my book, practicing secretly, inducing the supreme spell.

67. The work of the image, and the potion and the charm, the work of the spider and the snake, and the little ones that go in the dark, this is your work.

68. Who loves not hates, who hates fears, let him taste fear.

69. This is the way of it, star, star. Burning bright, moon, witch moon.

70. You the secret, the outcast, the accursed and despised, even you that gathered privily of old in my rites under the moon.

Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib49.htm

There very may well be some archetypal crawler-like information collectors (real entities with a natural function and purpose) that symbolically (in the language of consciousness) manifest themselves as crab-like spiders.

On the other hand, there may also be a technological mimic of such entities -- an artificial creation whose function works for a sinister, ego-driven, inorganic, mechanistic entity. Such an entity may influence trends toward trans-humanism.

It is interesting the connection with these shadow spiders/scuttlers and the moon.

Here is an excerpt from an article entitled, The Devil's Gate:




Enter Jack Parsons and stories of occult Rituals taking place in the Devil’s Gate area in the 1940s.

Parsons, a brilliant Cal Tech rocket scientist, is commonly referred to as one of the founders of the Jet Propulsion Labs or JPL. He was very involved in a secret society, the Ordo Templi Orientis (it is still active in California), which followed teachings by the famed English occultist Aleister Crowley, called by some “the wickedest man alive.” Parsons and, later L. Ron Hubbard (yes, the founder of Scientology), were rumored to have been trying to create a “moonchild” — a sort of anti-Christ they believed would throw over modern society — through magical rituals specifically conducted in the area due to its mystical energy. Crowley supposedly called Devil’s Gate one of the seven portals to hell.

Some occultists believe that the rituals actually did open a portal that allows negative energy and non-human entities to pass into this world.

[AND]

Around the time of Jack Parsons birth, Crowley started receiving visions and trance-communications he called "The Alamantrah Working". The Amalantrah working was what Crowley termed "The Great Work" i.e. the intentional cultivation of spiritual growth. According to Crowley part of the great work involved "the establishment of contact with non-human intelligences". The purpose of the Amalantrah invocations, by Crowley's own admission, was to open an interdimensional portal that would allow him access to beings from other dimensions. Crowley was successful...he made contact.

[...]

Hubbard and Parsons were especially interested in the interdimensional portal that Crowley had created via the Amalantrah invocations. It is interesting to note the time frame between Hubbard and Parsons allegedly reopening the interdimensional portal or "stargate" and the wave of extraterrestrial activity and UFO sightings that began with the Kenneth Arnold's sighting of nine "flying silver disks" over the cascade Mountains in June 1947, not long after the Roswell incident. This is when the United States Government made contact with extraterrestrial intelligences.

[...]

Anyway, Crowley was concerned that Hubbard and Parsons were acting recklessly when dealing with higher energies. Having spent a lifetime mastering his interaction with supernatural forces, he considered them overconfident and inexperienced and told them as much, finally ceasing all communication with them. Neither man would be deterred and Hubbard and Parsons proceeded to work with the dormant portal that Crowley had left almost 30 years earlier.

[...]

Like Crowley, it was Jack's intention to manifest an individual incarnation of Babalon, as well as to catalyze the emergence of that force in society.

Source: http://laghostpatrol.com/2011/05/devils-gate/ - http://savagesalvation.blogspot.com/2010/04/jack-parsons.html

This is all taking on a new twist. Interesting indeed.

[Side note: By the way, I am not versed in Tarot or Kabbalah, but maybe some bells went off for someone here that is.] ;)

[9eagle9]

That is a pretty good graphic of the tree of life, as you can see it appears to be somewhat multi dimensional with lines running under other otherlines or different levels. No not the only path . Very superficially we have the left hand side of the tree which is the left path, it turns into the right path eventually-- the right hand side of the tree,. left hand paths and right hand paths will turn into each other if care is not taken. Like how the new age turned into new age bs and became very icky and dense. It became satanic. And then there is the middle path the path of balance.

When you get into those layers and dimensions I mentioned things turn into something else altogether. Its no surprise to me know that recent tree of life's have been made very 1 dimensional so you can't see those interconnected layers.

[modwiz]

The Saturn cult is very valid, IMO. It is interesting to note that when the biggest modern ritual sacrifice. 9/11, was being enacted, W was reading a book. My Pet Goat. The goat is the animal of Saturn. Even more interesting, he was holding the book upside down.

I do wish to point out what I believe to be important differences between, Venus/Lucifer and Saturn/Satan. Venus is the bull and Saturn the goat. They are sometimes conflated because of their horns. This is ignorance. There is a big difference in these energies, whose archetypes are revealed in the signs Taurus/Libra and Capricorn. Venus and Saturn.

It was Rudolf Steiner who made the difference between Lucifer and Ahriman important enough to lecture on it. Here is a quick synopsis of these differences. http://www.doyletics.com/arj/landarvw.htm It is an quick read, unlike his lectures. Definitely worthy of perusal,IMO. The Luciferic and Ahrimanic traits table is certainly worth having. In neither case is the archontic parasitic influence addressed. The cosmos is full of all kinds of constructs. The Gnostics dedicated their lives to such studies. One will never be aware of these subtle parts of life unless one makes a focus of it.

You will not find the breakdown I have given here, with regard to goats and bulls.

[gripreaper]

The Saturn cult is very valid, IMO. It is interesting to note that when the biggest modern ritual sacrifice. 9/11, was being enacted, W was reading a book. My Pet Goat. The goat is the animal of Saturn. Even more interesting, he was holding the nook upside down.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTjz7rfPjfQ

[gooty64]

I wonder where this fits in? And I don't mean to derail with videos or cut and pastes. I would much rather read original thoughts on this stuff.

But this is pretty intensely obvious, no?

f_OawJA68jI

[Gardener]

Modwiz What about Aries as Ram/Goat on the ascendant or right ascension. All the festivals are aprox in that area at the spring equinox, 21st March as the sun passes over rises into summer heaven from the winter (hell)eg Easter/ or Nisan (passover) i think

[gripreaper]

But this is pretty intensely obvious, no?

Gooty, this was extensively discussed in a thread by the same name months ago, when it first came out. Yes, the symbolism, and deeper energetics made many who watched it feel creepy.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47075-I-PET-GOAT-II-by-Heliofant-Comments-Welcome&highlight=goat

[edit]I want to be careful here, since this thread is on the cusp of revealing what is going on, and gooty may have just hit on it, the Pet Goat 2. In the thread which discusses the symbolism of this video Gooty posted, some are postulating that the length of the video, which is 7:28 is the date for Pet Goat 2

[SilentFeathers]

Throws stones and screams at SilentFeathers until she falls coughing and gagging in the dust.

then throws dust after before a last convulsion.

Our mind was duplicated from theirs?


Indeed.


From what I understand, 'their' mind (as it's been termed) was modeled after our mind, or at the very least, it exists as a shadow of our mind.

What if this was the other way around?

Just a thought :)

She might be a he :)

[9eagle9]

My leg just twitched and I barked at it.

[modwiz]

Modwiz What about Aries as Ram/Goat on the ascendant or right ascension. All the festivals are aprox in that area at the spring equinox, 21st March as the sun passes over rises into summer heaven from the winter (hell)eg Easter/ or Nisan (passover) i think

Quite a bit of symbolism in this archetype. It is lambing season for one. Also, Aries is the beginning to the zodiac. Its' symbol looks like a V implying a descent into matter. This same energy is in the first chakra where it is thrusting, very ram-like, upwards into matter. The phrase with Aries is, I am. It typifies the beginning energy of Spring. It is meaningful to note that these big celebrations typify the state/matrix religions. It was the urban participants of these state religions, in Rome, that had the term pagani, from which we get the word pagan. It referred to the rustics, country-folk who honored the Earth and Her many expressions, instead of gods represented by other planets in the solar system. The Sun a star, giver of life supporting energy on this planet, also got proper appreciation. The common use of the word pagan by matrix relgionists is just typical of their quasi-literacy. The word heathen has the same connotation as pagan. The heath dwelling rustics, who lived close to Nature.

[9eagle9]

Anyway, Crowley was concerned that Hubbard and Parsons were acting recklessly when dealing with higher energies. Having spent a lifetime mastering his interaction with supernatural forces, he considered them overconfident and inexperienced and told them as much, finally ceasing all communication with them.

Neither man would be deterred and Hubbard and Parsons proceeded to work with the dormant portal that Crowley had left almost 30 years earlier.

We see this sort of thing today. A great many new age con artists have replicated Crowley's grimoires into fluff. His works were guised and had mind traps in them to keep them protected so that portals were not accidentally opened. While you can fluff over the wording only the person who set the mind traps can take them out. So they are transferred into the fluff editions. Like the utter drivel that Doreen Virtue writes. All fluffy bunnies and sun shine. But her mediums ship courses teach the unwittingy how to unlock portals to some stuff that while fairly low level have the capacity to bite.

And basically its useless to please ask someone not to goof around with something they have no idea what it is about . The desire for power is far too great.

[SilentFeathers]

Wow Vivek, that last post of yours really "sparked" something in me, I'll have to ponder on some of this perhaps even sleeping on it.

Talk about being on the brink of something bizarre! ...and probably more real that most would believe :)

[9eagle9]

Vivek you should post that link you just gave me in PM, it fits here perfectly. I'm still absorbing it. You all post a paragraph and I get a three series novel from it.

[Freed Fox]

Modwiz, this might be a bit semantic, but where does Moloch fit into that? I was correlating him with Saturn, since he is depicted as a bull, but as you stated that is the designation of Venus?


Anyway, Crowley was concerned that Hubbard and Parsons were acting recklessly when dealing with higher energies. Having spent a lifetime mastering his interaction with supernatural forces, he considered them overconfident and inexperienced and told them as much, finally ceasing all communication with them.

As I was reading that post I started Dark Side of the Moon in the background, and as soon as I'd read the paragraph above, there were the lines; "Balanced on the biggest wave, race toward an early grave..."
And as I went to post this, I refreshed the page to see that 9e9 also just quoted from the same passage... So, wow.

Regarding Crowley, I don't know just what to make of that, but surely he didn't invite the foreign installation? Its fingerprints seem to extend much further back into history than the 1940s. Still, this is all incredible so I'm going to sit back and read/listen some more.

P.S. Great videos Rahkyt. I was actually unaware of a lot of the Saturn stuff, and the correlation between the people at mecca and the storm, spinning in the same direction, paired with the quantum mechanics you pointed out which proves that particles can affect one another across any distance of space... wow

[9eagle9]

We make unconscious agreements based on our conditions. Unfortunately those are our emotional driving that. Usually through the flyer or their mind. One is not aware of the agreements they make. They aren't conscious agreements like "Oh I think I'll be inhabited by a parasite". And the their mind makes a lot of these agreements as well. This is why I don't make gratuitous agreements especially with people who are strangers to me. I have no idea where they are coming from in the matter.

I know a woman who attacked me in a coffee shop one day because her parasite noticed me watching it. I was a total stranger to her . After this episode I asked about her and how she developed ended up becoming so possessed. Someone said she was a real dippy hippy love junkie type and she went outside and invited everything 'out there' into her. Apparently she felt this was an empowering thing to do. Unfortunately everything and anything showed up.

She didn't consciously agree to have a parasite inhabiting her. I'm sure thought only good fluffy bunny spirits would show up. But that's what she took on and it grew to an enormous size dominating her.

[Jeffrey]

Here are some excerpts from -- Parallel Journeys-- by Jonathan Zap.




“Are you willing to look at the feeders?” And suddenly I wasn’t so sure if I was willing. I sensed the edge of the abyss, but I knew my life only allowed for one possible answer and I willed myself to say,

“Yes.”

“Then look down.”

I looked down and saw that which unraveled me for several long heartbeats before I was willing to let what my eyes scanned enter my mind. Attached to my body, coming from my body, through my body, was a broken lattice of dark filaments, undulating filaments like a broken spider web spun of black silk, moving chaotically like the tentacles of a sea anemone. (All of this is so hard to language because such a density of weirdness was presented all at once, and there were telepathic and intuitive overlays that made what I perceived all too apparent, while word based descriptions can only present fragmented slivers.) And I knew that each of the filaments was a kind of nerve cell, shadowy black neurons with infinitely complex dendrites and interconnections with other threads of tissue.

I must call it tissue because it was alive and intelligent and . . . parasitic, virulently parasitic: a vampiric web or neural net or brain, only the neural web was the vampire, and it was highly aware of me for I was its food source, its host, and it continually reconfigured itself to create networks, new interconnections to draw off more vital energy, and I felt the blackness of this shadow web, dendrites and axons of black spider silk moving and undulating, and also pulsating, but it was a weirdly horrifying inverse arterial pulsing, and suddenly I comprehended the horror of its pulsing rhythm, it was the antiheart beat of my heart beat. This pulsating lattice of tissue was a capillary suction pump, it beat in perfect counter rhythm to my heart beat because when my heart pumped blood out it sucked in, not blood, but vital energy, and for a moment it was not clear if I was merely tissue, an organ inside of its body, or if it was a parasitic tissue that surrounded my body.

Something about the light absorbing blackness of the filaments made the tendrils of energy suction and also rendered them invisible to ordinary human eyesight. At certain nodes of the web, a nexus of dendrites formed a densely entangled concavity, a bulbous thicket of black nerve tissue, and inside these were pale worm-like parasites, and these worms had the pale, silvery luminosity of a hungry moon, a sterile moon whose only light was reflected from a host energy source on which it drew. These moon worms were part of a complex and delicately counterbalanced parasitic ecosystem, an ecosystem for which I was now the sole food source.

[...]

Jeremiah gave me a few moments to adjust to seeing him before he spoke,

“Since you have had the courage to see the feeders, it is only right that I lay aside all disguise and appear before you as I really am. The wounds you see are a small part of the price I had to pay to earn my passage, to make the crossing to your realm.”

Jeremiah was silent for some moments. “I have also had to encounter the feeders, but in a different form, one that preys upon the elves. What you have seen are like the strands of a web or like the drones that serve a hive. But at the center of the web is a spider, deep in the hive is a queen… We may need to talk more of these dark matters tonight, but perhaps in more comfortable surroundings. I have prepared a small camp not far from here where we can make a fire and have something to drink.”

Source: http://www.zaporacle.com/parallel-journeys/

That entire chronicle is a mind bender.

Freed Fox, there seem to be many "unseen" parasitical and predatory species that feed on vital energies. From the book, Astral Dynamics, by Robert Bruce.




The most troublesome types of astral wildlife appear to come from the notorious lower astral subplanes that contain the darker and more negative aspects of the astral planes. These can be likened to parallel shadows of the more positively oriented parts of the astral planes. While still a part of the astral planes, technically speaking, they are a distinctly separate aspect or part of it, containing all the darker qualities. Another way of looking at this is to consider this to be the night side of the astral planes.

Low astral wildlife normally seem capable of operating only in dimensions similar to or lower than their dimension of origin.

This is reasonable, based on the energetic limitations set by their nature and dimensional level of origin. Some of these beings do seem capable of operating in the real-time zone. (The real-time zone can be thought of as being fairly neutral territory, dimensionally speaking.)

All lower types, regardless of classification or origin, appear to be predatory loners showing varying degrees of strength, intelligence, and ability. Negative beings exhibit a cold and almost insectlike nature. Higher feelings like love, compassion, and mercy are totally alien to them. This does not, however, mean they are evil; it just means they have no higher feelings. A garden spider has no higher feelings; it is not evil for killing and eating a beautiful butterfly. It is a spider and acts according to its nature; spiders feed on insects to survive.

Source: http://theh20network.weebly.com/uploads/9/7/2/2/9722770/astral_dynamics.pdf

Of course, there may be more organized, concerted efforts to use us for our energy as well (made by hostile, predatory forces).

Also check this link out: http://www.zaporacle.com/alex-grey-and-mind-parasites/

[9eagle9]

The druids had a notion that soul harvesting was harvested for the moon. Or the moon was doing the harvesting . Weird. Too much like the creepy filaments that came down from the ceiling when I was falling asleep at night.

Elves were supposed to be relatively immune to this that sort of thing, until an event happened within a tribe that caused the parasitical influence to be introduced into the weaker tribes.

[modwiz]

Modwiz, this might be a bit semantic, but where does Moloch fit into that? I was correlating him with Saturn, since he is depicted as a bull, but as you stated that is the designation of Venus?


Moloch translates from the Semitic as 'king'. Carthage was a huge site of child worship and their god was basically chronos/saturn. From wikipedia:


Later commentators have compared these accounts with similar ones from Greek and Latin sources speaking of the offering of children by fire as sacrifices in the Punic city of Carthage, a Phoenician colony. Cleitarchus, Diodorus Siculus and Plutarch all mention burning of children as an offering to Cronus or Saturn, that is to Ba‘al Hammon, the chief god of Carthage. Issues and practices relating to Moloch and child sacrifice may also have been exaggerated for effect. After the Romans defeated Carthage and totally destroyed the city, they engaged in post-war propaganda to make their arch-enemies seem cruel and less civilized.

There seems to be little mention of Moloch actually being a bull, although some artistic depictions did just that. Just as I mentioned conflation of the figures before, some molochs may have had horns on them. Goat horns. Artists interpreting a horned god may have used the bull instead. When we get to the even deeper conflation of Lucifer/Venus/Bull with Arhriman/Saturn/Goat these confusions are reasonable, all other things considered. Over much focus on these details will bear little fruit other than for the sake of erudition. Having our "facts" straight should help with clarity.

[Jeffrey]

Below are several excerpts (actually, a majority of the material) from an article entitled: Well, that’s interesting … by thehouseofvines.




http://thehouseofvines.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/moche-spider-300x254.jpg?w=690
[this is an artifact from Peru depicting the Moche spider god (http://www.birdspiders.com/gallery/index.php/Indigenous-people-and-art/birdspiders_0756)]

Today’s adventure began with Ai Apaec, who I first learned about when Spider started bringing up the severed head stuff that eventually led to my adopting the fool persona and developing an interest in folk Catholicism.

Quoth Stevie:


The most feared and adored god of the Moche was Ai Apaec, nicknamed the ‘decapitator’ by scholars for the good reason that he is often holding a head in one hand and a knife in the other. In Moche artwork, his anthropomorphized image has the eyes of an owl, the fangs of a feline, sea wave hair, a spider body, and is usually surrounded by snakes and/or condors. It is thought that after natural disasters such as earthquakes or heavy El Nino rains, the Moche would hold extensive ceremonies that involved ritual combat, human sacrifice, and blood consumption, as an offering to Ai Apaec, in an appeal for stable weather, ancestral renewal, and agricultural fertility. During the ceremony, each Moche family put forth a warrior that represented it, and the warriors would fight each other, one-on-one, until one of the warrior’s headdresses was knocked off. After the battles, all the hatless loser warriors were made prisoner, stripped of their clothing, and taken to the sacred temple. Yoked together, the naked prisoners walked up the temple path until they reached the priest’s altar, located about half way up, where they then imbibed a special tea made of San Pedro cactus, an anti-coagulent and a mix of aphrodisiacs. The idea was to get them in the right frame of mind for the ceremony. Apparently, hallucinating with a stiffy was the mood of choice when being sacrificed. The prisoners then continued up the temple path until they reached the top, where our Lady of Cao was waiting for them. Mercifully, their throats were cut with a sharp hatchet, and a few drops of their blood were drained into a goblet. When all the sacrifices were done, the Lady of Cao drank the blood as an offering to Ai Apaec.

[...]

In an attempt to learn more about this character I was eventually led to a page on cultural depictions of spiders which introduced me to Saint Conrad of Constance, whose feast day is November 26.


http://thehouseofvines.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/2348525402p.jpg?w=690

[...]

Saint Conrad is pictured as a bishop holding a chalice with a spider above or in it. This depiction relates to the story that a spider once dropped into the chalice as he celebrated Mass. Although it was believed then that all spiders were deadly poisonous, Conrad nevertheless swallowed the Blood of Christ, out of respect and a demonstration of his faith. Sometimes images of Saint Conrad contain (1) a serpent and chalice (not to be confused with Saint John); (2) asperges; or exorcising.


http://thehouseofvines.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/7860651512_ccbbdffe01.jpg?w=690

This also led me to a discussion by Aleister Crowley on spider symbolism in the Tarot:


The Spider is particularly sacred to Tiphereth. It is written that she “taketh hold with her hands and is in king’s palaces.” (The most characteristic title of Tiphereth is “Palace of the King.”) She has six legs and is in the centre of her web exactly as Tiphereth is in the centre of the Sephiroth of Ruach. (Liber 777, Column XXXVIII)

This was particularly interesting to me since the Temperance or Art card is governed by Libra in some systems and is my personal indicator when I do readings for myself. It’s symbolism is quite appropriate.


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Quoth the Wikipedia:


In most modern tarot decks, Temperance stands between Death and The Devil. He or she (traditions vary) guides the souls of the dead to judgment. In other traditions, Temperance is the remixing of life, accepting the dead into the underworld, into the blessed lands, and deciding what to send back into the fray. Every atom in our bodies has passed through thousands of forms, and will pass through thousands more. Temperance reminds us of our connection to the greater forces. Others say that the vessels in the Angel’s hands represent the Golden Crucible of Taoism; the vessel that contains eternal life. Others say it is representative of the head feeding the stomach; unification of the physical and spiritual needs. Temperance is associated through its cross sum (the sum of the digits) with The Hierophant. The Hierophant (ideally) brings the lessons of the other world into this one in an understandable form; Temperance (among other things) judges how well we have mastered the wisdom of the other worlds. Even though this card is well lit by a setting sun, it is an underworld card. Observe, for example, the lilies in the background. Lilies grow in Hades, and the lily represents the goddess Iris, another messenger goddess who transcends the individual realms. The Easter Lily sometimes represents the death of Christ on the Cross, and the three days He spent in the underworld before the Resurrection. The red wings of the Angel represent blood, life, and that which transcends the death of the individual. In the Rider-Waite-Smith deck, the Sun in the background conceals a crown. That crown is the ego, who has died and is at the cusp of the adventures of the night. Some Jungians say that Temperance represents the unconscious, which can guide us, they contend, to a deeper understanding of ourselves. The one foot on the land, the other in the water, represents the unification of the external and internal, conscious and unconscious, realms. Under these approaches, when Temperance appears, it is a warning or invitation to be prepared for a confrontation with the deepest questions of who we are, who we think we are, and who we will become.


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On the page where I found the Crowley quote I also came across this:

The spider spins webs, making connections:

All things are held together by correspondence, image with image, movement with movement: without that there could be no relation and therefore no truth. It is our business – especially yours and mine – to take up the power of relation.

The Greater Trumps, Charles Williams

Williams explains the essence of the Great Dance:

“Tell me first,” she said, “now we’re alone, tell me more of this dance. It’s more than fortune-telling, isn’t it?”… “O, how shall I explain,” he cried out, “what we can only be taught to imagine?”… “Imagine, then, if you can,” he said, “imagine that everything which exists takes part in the movement of a great dance – everything, the electrons, all growing and decaying things, all that seems alive and all that doesn’t seem alive, men and beasts, trees and stones, everything that changes, and there is nothing that does not change. That change – that’s what we know of the immortal dance; the law in the nature of things – that’s the measure of the dance.”


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On another site I found this lovely parable:


Recovering from feelings of loss at last, the Fool begins to wonder if he will finally find the new spirituality he’s after. It occurs to him that so far, he’s been dealing with opposites: the two opposing sides of the scales (Justice), the material and spiritual (which he hung between as the Hanged man), death and birth (the one leading into the other in the Death card). Does one always have to be surrendered to get the other? he wonders.

It is at this point that he comes upon a winged figure standing with one foot in a brook, the other on a rock. The radiant creature pours something from one flask into another. Drawing closer, the Fool sees that what is being poured from one flask is fire, while water flows from the other. The two are being blended together into a completely different substance!

“How can you mix fire and water?” the Fool finally whispers. Never pausing the Angel answers, “You must have the right vessels and use the right proportions.”

The Fool watches with wonder. “Can this be done with all opposites?” he asks. “Indeed,” the Angel replies, “Any oppositions, fire and water, man and woman, thesis and anti-thesis, can be made into a unified third. It is only a lack of will and a disbelief in the possibility that keeps opposites, opposite.” And that is when the Fool begins to understand that he is the one who is keeping his universe in twain, holding life/death, material world and spiritual world separate. In him the two could merge. All it takes, the Fool realizes, is the right proportions, the right vessel and enough faith that the two can be unified.


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Crowley’s connection of Tiphereth with Spider is interesting as that is a densely symbolic sefira.

Quoth the Wikipedia:


In the Bahir it states: “Sixth is the adorned, glorious, delightful throne of glory, the house of the world to come. Its place is engraved in wisdom as it says ‘God said: Let there be light, and there was light.’” Tiferet is the force that integrates the Sefira of Chesed (“compassion”) and Gevurah (“Strength, or Judgement (din)”). These two forces are, respectively, expansive (giving) and restrictive (receiving). Either of them without the other could not manifest the flow of Divine energy; they must be balanced in perfect proportion by balancing compassion with discipline. This balance can be seen in the role of Tiferet, wherein the conflicting forces are harmonized, and creation flowers forth. Tiferet also balances Netzach and Hod in a similar manner. In that case Hod can be seen as the intellect where Netzach is seen as emotion. Tiferet also occupies a place on the middle pillar, and can be seen as a lower reflection of Kether, as well as a higher reflection of Yesod and Malkuth. Tiferet relates to the sun, and as such, it takes a central place in the lower face of the Tree of Life, much in the same manner that the sun is at the center of the solar system. It is not the center of the universe, as one could perhaps argue Kether to be, but rather it is the center of our local astronomical system. Nonetheless, it is the sun that gives light and life, even though it did not create itself. Tiferet can be seen as a metaphor for these same attributes. Tiferet is unique amongst the Sephirot as it is connected to all the other Sephirot (except Malkuth) via the subjective paths of the unconscious. Its position down the center between Keter and Yesod indicates to many Kabbalists that it is somewhat of a “converting” Sephirot between form (Yesod) and force (Keter). In other words, all crossing over the middle path via Tiferet results in a reversed polarity. The law of conservation of energy and mass tends to corroborate this – in all cases of energy transmutation, a sacrifice is necessary so a new form may be born. Tiferet is the middle of the tree. Five Sefirot surround it: above are Chesed at the right (south) and Gevurah at the left (north), and below are Netzach at the right, Hod at the left, and Yesod directly below. Together these six are a single entity, Zer Anpin, which is the masculine counterpart of the feminine sefira Malkuth. In certain contexts, Tiferet alone represents all the sefirot of Zer Anpin, so that the entire tree appears with only five sefirot: Keter, Chochmah, Binah, Tiferet, and Malkhut.


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Wikipedia continues:


In Christian Cabala, Tiphereth is especially associated with Jesus Christ, ‘God the Son’ (as opposed to Kether, which is God the father, and Yesod, the Holy Spirit). This is because this is the Sephirah in which the divine force ‘sacrifices’ itself, transmutating into the forces of energy and matter, in order that creation might come to be. It is the sephirah in which ‘God becomes a mortal man’. Illustrative of the process of Tipharet is Jesus’ teaching in the Book of John, “No one comes to the Father except through me”. Kether is raw energy as the Godhead and is as such unknowable by the conscious mind; Tiphareth (the son) balances the force and form of Kether and Yesod respectively allowing Kether to assume a knowable form. A Christian mystic, in relating to Jesus, repeats the process in the other direction, by transmutating that which is lower, in order to achieve the divine. In terms of the Kabbalah, Tipharet encompasses not only “God the Son” but also the related myths of Osiris and other sacrificial gods.

[...]

Source: http://thehouseofvines.com/2013/01/02/well-thats-interesting/


Vivek you should post that link you just gave me in PM, it fits here perfectly. I'm still absorbing it. You all post a paragraph and I get a three series novel from it.

[9eagle9]

And Moloch as depicted in Bohemian Grove is depicted as the horned owl.

but something Rakhyt said to me today seems to make me think the Moloch in Boheiman Grove may have more to do with aliens than moldering old gods dredged up from ancient grimoires.

[aikisaw]

Many people have mentioned in several threads that are currently going on about how long we have been enslaved by their mind. The centuries of countless wars and suffering that have gone on. I have heard others say we entering a big war for our minds. Everything in my being says they are right and this is true.

I came across this poem by George S. Patton that describes how long their mind has controlled humanity in detail.

After reading the poem countless times and thinking about where we/I came from . Where we are headed if we do nothing.

If we can stop this cycle from happening again, that is a worthy cause. This path has honor. I am willing to take this on. I say that with more nervousness than confidence, but say it non the less.

If you are upset by mental images of war you should not read it.

It came from Houman's Horus -ra thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

Through a Glass, Darkly
a poem by
George S. Patton, Jr. (1918)

Through the travail of the ages,
Midst the pomp and toil of war,
Have I fought and strove and perished
Countless times upon this star.

In the form of many people
In all panoplies of time
Have I seen the luring vision
Of the Victory Maid, sublime.

I have battled for fresh mammoth,
I have warred for pastures new,
I have listed to the whispers
When the race trek instinct grew.

I have known the call to battle
In each changeless changing shape
From the high souled voice of conscience
To the beastly lust for rape.

I have sinned and I have suffered,
Played the hero and the knave;
Fought for belly, shame, or country,
And for each have found a grave.

I cannot name my battles
For the visions are not clear,
Yet, I see the twisted faces
And I feel the rending spear.

Perhaps I stabbed our Savior
In His sacred helpless side.
Yet, I've called His name in blessing
When after times I died.

In the dimness of the shadows
Where we hairy heathens warred,
I can taste in thought the lifeblood;
We used teeth before the sword.

While in later clearer vision
I can sense the coppery sweat,
Feel the pikes grow wet and slippery
When our Phalanx, Cyrus met.

Hear the rattle of the harness
Where the Persian darts bounced clear,
See their chariots wheel in panic
From the Hoplite's leveled spear.

See the goal grow monthly longer,
Reaching for the walls of Tyre.
Hear the crash of tons of granite,
Smell the quenchless eastern fire.

Still more clearly as a Roman,
Can I see the Legion close,
As our third rank moved in forward
And the short sword found our foes.

Once again I feel the anguish
Of that blistering treeless plain
When the Parthian showered death bolts,
And our discipline was in vain.

I remember all the suffering
Of those arrows in my neck.
Yet, I stabbed a grinning savage
As I died upon my back.

Once again I smell the heat sparks
When my Flemish plate gave way
And the lance ripped through my entrails
As on Crecy's field I lay.

In the windless, blinding stillness
Of the glittering tropic sea
I can see the bubbles rising
Where we set the captives free.

Midst the spume of half a tempest
I have heard the bulwarks go
When the crashing, point blank round shot
Sent destruction to our foe.

I have fought with gun and cutlass
On the red and slippery deck
With all Hell aflame within me
And a rope around my neck.

And still later as a General
Have I galloped with Murat
When we laughed at death and numbers
Trusting in the Emperor's Star.

Till at last our star faded,
And we shouted to our doom
Where the sunken road of Ohein
Closed us in it's quivering gloom.

So but now with Tanks a'clatter
Have I waddled on the foe
Belching death at twenty paces,
By the star shell's ghastly glow.

So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

And I see not in my blindness
What the objects were I wrought,
But as God rules o'er our bickerings
It was through His will I fought.

So forever in the future,
Shall I battle as of yore,
Dying to be born a fighter,
But to die again, once more.

FWIW


Throughout his storied life he astonished friends, acquaintances and perfect strangers with his intimate knowledge about places he had never been to in his current life. This has been witnessed and documented by numerous individuals. I'm referring to MINUTE DETAILS about terrain features and events which he could not possibly have known about.

In one instance during the First World War, he described a clearing within a densely wooded region on the other side of a mountain range during pitch black darkness to an astonished French officer. When asked how he could have known about such an obscure place that most local Frenchmen weren't even aware of, he merely stated that he had been there in a past life.

On another occasion he and a friend disagreed over a particular facet of the Battle of Gettysburg while they were walking through Gettysburg National Park. Patton went into minute detail about the movements of a particular unit pointing out a particular terrain feature to buttress his argument.

At this point an aged veteran of the Battle of Gettysburg who was a member of the unit in question and who happened to be within earshot of this historical debate, announced to one and all that Patton was absolutely correct in every particular. When Patton was asked how he could have known about such a historically obscure aspect of the battle, Patton replied (again) "I was here."

[modwiz]

Here are some excerpts from -- Mind Parasites, Energy Parasites, and Vampires -- by Jonathan Zap.
Freed Fox, there seem to be many parasitical and predatory species. From the book, Astral Dynamics, by Robert Bruce.

[INDENT][INDENT][INDENT]The most troublesome types of astral wildlife appear to come from the notorious lower astral subplanes that contain the darker and more negative aspects of the astral planes. These can be likened to parallel shadows of the more positively oriented parts of the astral planes. While still a part of the astral planes, technically speaking, they are a distinctly separate aspect or part of it, containing all the darker qualities. Another way of looking at this is to consider this to be the night side of the astral planes.

Low astral wildlife normally seem capable of operating only in dimensions similar to or lower than their dimension of origin.

This is reasonable, based on the energetic limitations set by their nature and dimensional level of origin. Some of these beings do seem capable of operating in the real-time zone. (The real-time zone can be thought of as being fairly neutral territory, dimensionally speaking.)

All lower types, regardless of classification or origin, appear to be predatory loners showing varying degrees of strength, intelligence, and ability. Negative beings exhibit a cold and almost insectlike nature. Higher feelings like love, compassion, and mercy are totally alien to them. This does not, however, mean they are evil; it just means they have no higher feelings. A garden spider has no higher feelings; it is not evil for killing and eating a beautiful butterfly. It is a spider and acts according to its nature; spiders feed on insects to survive.


I have chosen this part for a purpose. The astral wildlife alone is an excellent term. I find the astral realm and the 4th dimension to be largely synonymous. It is this vibratory spectrum the the emotional body resides in, the one that abuts the third dimension. Our emotional body is as real in that spectrum as our physical body is in our world. Now, take that body and see it surrounded by lower astral wildlife. A physical body emits blood, heat, hormone impregnated sweat and our breath. An emotional body has loosh. Now loosh emanations would seem to equal blood laced with hormonal secretions as opposed to basic blood. Also lets us remember the designation of lower astral instead of the upper astral. Think ocean here as the watery metaphor applies. It is the heavy stuff that will be floating around here and this is the sort of loosh that these lower astral entities feed on. To be sure there are hormonal secretions from the higher emotions as well. For metaphor let us speak of sour/acidic/lower emotions and sweeter/alkaline/higher emotions. These are generalizations for some visualization only.

Healthy full time living in the 4th dimension, which is an expansion from the 3rd dimension, will require an emotional body that is in control. Loosh creates emissions that attract feeders. Being present in the 4th dimension would allow one to see these critters. Such sights would often generate fear which would emit more loosh. So, let me ask. Who wants to move into the 4th dimension just yet? Prior to 12/21/12 there was the longing to leave the 3rd dimension. Many wanted to go to the 5th dimension/mental plane. There will be no skipping grades, LOL. It is not vibrationally possible.

[9eagle9]

It is incredible to me Aikisaw how much of the 'their' mind is in history, old poetry, myths and yes even pop culture and music, and people fail to see this rearing its head. People even sing about it, as it, to it, and see it for what it is and those are the 'alleged' asleep sheeple people. Particularly alternative music.

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[aikisaw]

It is incredible to me Aikisaw how much of the 'their' mind is in history, old poetry, myths and yes even pop culture and music, and people fail to see this rearing its head. People even sign about it, as it, to it, and see it for what it is and those are the 'alleged' asleep sheeple people. Particularly alternative music.



I know what you mean. I had to give up a lot of the music that I liked . I did not aline with it anymore.

I think history is promoted by their mind to perpetuate the myths needed to keep us at war. We do not give medals and have parades for scientists or philosophers.

That was not my take on the Patton poem. I did not get that he was speaking to it or for it.
I thought he was honest. The warrior was who he was, good or/and bad. He knew something had him through time and lifetimes. He could not name this thing. I am guessing he did not understand it either.
Up until a few weeks ago I could totally relate to that.

[Jeffrey]

OKAY, my mind is racing after reading this. It's an article from montalk.net entitled, Food for the Moon.




The moon is more than just a pale satellite of interest to poets and astronomers. Its influence goes beyond merely creating ocean tides or driving biological cycles. More importantly, the moon exerts a significant influence upon the mechanical, emotional, and psychological states in man.

[...]

Gurdjieff and Ouspensky

Fourth Way philosophy aims to strip man of his mechanical behavior and hypnotic programming in order to build within him a core of heightened consciousness. It is an esoteric system assembled from incomplete fragments of inner Christianity and Sufism. It’s founder, Georges Gurdjieff, frequently admonished the thoughtless mechanical behavior of humanity and was fond of saying that we are “food for the moon.”

What did Gurdjieff mean by this phrase? Many have interpreted “food for the moon” as a figure of speech, that perhaps Gurdjieff meant we are slave to our mechanical conditioning and feed our baser impulses. While it can be additionally interpreted that way, Gurdjieff was likely being literal. Peter Ouspensky, one of Gurdjieff’s most prolific disciples, lectured at length concerning the moon’s role in human affairs and its place in the cosmological scheme of things. It is reasonable to assume what Ouspensky wrote about the moon accurately reflects what Gurdjieff taught him.

According to Ouspensky, the moon acts as a giant electromagnet pulling upon all organic life on earth and sucking into itself the soul essence of dying creatures. The moon is an embryonic planet receiving its nutrition from organic life on earth through an etheric umbilical cord, an energy conduit between earth and moon.

In man, the moon drives his mechanical aspects like a pendulum moving the gears of a clock. The degree to which one’s actions are driven by the moon is proportional to one’s level of reactivity and non-being. For people incapable of moving themselves through life by nobler spiritual impulses, the moon provides a propulsive force. Without this force, mechanical individuals would be passive as puppets without a puppeteer.

Ouspensky went so far as to say that the very physical motion of our limbs was made possible thanks to the moon. Other Fourth Way initiates like Rodney Collin explained that because our body was largely made of water and the moon pulls on water to create the ocean tides, our bodies are made to move in similar but more complicated ways through hydraulic principles.

[...]

It would be more accurate to say that the moon exerts some subtle influence upon the organs of our etheric body responsible for initiating neurochemical impulses that trigger habitual motions. Such mechanical behavior may therefore be driven by the moon, but not necessarily via crude physical means.

The moon is therefore an important factor in driving our mechanical actions. As long as its influence is limited to such effects, the moon is doings its job properly. Ouspensky warned, however, that if lunar influences trespassed into one’s emotional and mental aspects, then emotional and mental imbalances would occur. How can the moon affect our emotional and intellectual centers? By the very fact that these lower centers have their own mechanical aspects.

Ouspensky was asked whether there was any truth to the connection between full moons and lunacy.

[...]

In the cosmological schema, earth is like a mother to the moon which is still a fetus in the sense that it cannot yet “breathe” on its own, hold an atmosphere, or support life. Gurdjieff said: “The Moon is actually a fragment of this Earth, which must now constantly maintain the Moon’s existence.” In that sense, the moon is like a parasitic thoughtform. [Vivek: Ahem, aborted fetus anyone?]

In line with the objectives of Fourth Way, to escape the more deleterious lunar influences Ouspensky said we must “create moon within ourselves.” By this he meant we must develop within us a driving mechanism that can take the place of the external lunar influence; in this way we would break free of the puppeteer. Assuming for a moment a more general and practical interpretation, this simply says that in order to become free from mechanical conditioning and reactive behavior we must reinforce our sense of self-awareness so that conscious choice and awareness reigns supreme over any external stimuli that might provoke an unconscious reaction.

[...]

Mouravieff

In his epic work Gnosis, Boris Mouravieff formulated an esoteric system for spiritual evolution founded upon the inner traditions of Eastern Orthodoxy. Though sharing a common basis with Fourth Way, what Mouravieff detailed is comparatively more complete, accurate, and systematic. Here is an excerpt from Gnosis summarizing what is necessary to transcend the lunar influence:



As a cell of organic life on Earth, man plays a part in the development of the Ray of Creation. The vivification of the Moon, that cosmic foetus, is one aspect of this development. This requires considerable quantities of energy, which is produced in particular by the human part of organic life. Illusion, which plays such an important role in the waking consciousness of man, was introduced into that state so that he would accept this aspect of the cosmic work, participating in it without rebellion.

If we become conscious of this situation and desire to escape it, we must conceive and create a screen which will protect us against this devouring influence of the Moon. We must meanwhile guard against falling into Illusion again by erecting a false screen; the result would be an aggravated waste of these forces instead of an economy of force. The quantity of force necessary to genuinely oppose the influence of the Moon is already considerable. The first imperative, then, is to stop wasting these forces, to turn off the taps which let the energy escape uselessly: sterile emotions, in particular negative emotions; fantasies from uncontrolled imagination; uncoordinated mental gymnastics, gossiping and chattering. We must thus act like a wise minister of finance and carefully economize our energies, yet without all the time sterilizing either our activity or our intelligence. On the contrary, we must store and as far as possible augment these forces to build up our reserves. These are the two main aspects of the first objective we have to attain. (Mouravieff, Gnosis I, p.168)

Mouravieff also explained that organic life functions as a transmitter station sending refined energy to the moon to assist its growth. Despite increases in the human population and thus an increase in quantity of energy transferred, times of peace do not produce sufficient energy and so catalysts for suffering such as wars and catastrophes arise to sustain the process.



The Moon’s passive energy arises from solar energy. It reflects this, but not without a transformation as its own nature. […] Unlike the Earth, the Moon does not have a direct organic link with the Sun. Being a satellite, it depends directly on its planet, and it is only through the latter’s mediation that it enters into relation with the Sun. One of its essential roles is to reflect solar energy onto the Earth’s surface in a form modified by reflection as described above. This also leads to qualitative and quantitative variations that depend on its phases. These changes do not prevent continual reverberation, due to the fact that the Moon always presents the same face to Earth, as the duration of its rotation around itself and around our planet are both the same. (Mouravieff, Gnosis II, p.29)

Although Mouravieff did not elaborate in what manner the lunar influence varies with phase, it stands to reason that essentially it is a matter of astrological alignment between earth, sun, and moon. During new and full moons, the moon and sun are respectively in conjunction and opposition. During quarter moons they are square. Opposition, conjunction, and square represent alignments that in this particular case aggravate the mechanical aspects in man. Other times of the month when the moon is trine or sextile sun, a more harmonious astrological aspect establishes itself. These alignments engender calmer temperaments with the mechanical influence not trespassing into emotional or mental territory.

That the moon always shows the same face, has an unusually circular orbit, and is precisely distanced to blot out the sun during total solar eclipses implies an intentional placement by the “Architect” of the matrix, or perhaps it simply suggests a collective choice to experience this highly improbable but necessary reality. When asked if the moon was intentionally placed, the Cassiopaeans responded: This is impossibly complex because in one way or another, everything is part of a “plan.” Mouravieff and Ouspensky emphasized that despite the soporific nature of the moon and the urgent necessity for individuals to overcome its influence, there is still an important cosmological reason for this arrangement [...]

The Zelator

Another interesting source is The Zelator by Mark Hedsel, an autobiographical account of his initiatory pathway through various mystery schools. The following excerpt takes place in the presence of a teacher who gives a lengthy discourse on the moon:



Our questions led our Master to some fascinating and unexpected observations about the lunar connections in ancient esoteric lore, and it was not surprising that the few questions we did put to our Master at that time concerned these planets. ‘Do you know what the third-day pig is?’ he asked in response to a question I had put to him about the Moon. Although our Master was looking directly at us, everyone shook their heads, as though he had directed the question to each of us personally. Perhaps the question had been rhetorical, for he continued almost immediately. ‘The three-day pig is a phrase from the ancient Mysteries. Prior to the initiation held during the Greater Mysteries of the Boedromion at Eleusis, in Greece, there was what the Greeks called the Halade Mystai. Early in the morning, the candidates for initiation would make their way to the sea, carrying young pigs, which they would wash and then sacrifice. The usual — we might even say the exoteric — explanation for this sacrifice is that they considered the blood of the pig to be especially pure, and much appreciated by the gods of the Underworld. They buried the killed pigs deep in the Earth, after the blood and slaughtered bodies had been dedicated to these infernal gods. Because the sacrifice was held on the third day of the Greater Mystery, such a creature was called the third-day pig.’

He raised his eyebrows, and smiled. ‘Now, as with all Mysteries of initiation, the term is not quite correct — it is meant to hide something. It was not a third-day pig, but a two-and-a-half-day pig, as the sacrifices always took place in the morning. The fact that the rites were conducted near the sea should lend a clue to one aspect of this arcane symbolism, for the two-and-a-half day period is a lunar period. In two and a half days, the Moon completely traverses one sign of the zodiac: the period, cosmically speaking, is a 12th part of the month. Now, perhaps, you will begin to see something of the deeper significance of the third-day pig?’ Perhaps once again the question had been rhetorical. At all events, there was no sound from the circle.

‘In a sense, the third-day pig is humanity — the liquid sweat of the Earth. Humanity is in thrall to the Moon — mankind is subject to the two-and-a-half-day rhythm, and to all other lunar periodicities. In another sense, the third-day pig is the animal of Set, the reject darker side of Mankind — that lucifuge side, which does not strive towards the light.

[...]

‘In the case of the Moon, the matter is made more complex by the fact that the physical matter of the Moon did once form part of what we now call the Earth. Within the context of the lunar sphere, the two centres did once coincide. A tremendous effort of meditative power is required to follow these connections, however, and the bald statement I have made can result in misconceptions.’

‘Why,’ asked Philip, ‘did the Moon have to separate from the Earth?’ ‘It was a cosmic fission. The Moon represents the harder mineralization of the Earth. In the body of the Moon is the matter which, had it remained with the Earth, would have weighed down human development too deeply. Man would not have been able to bear the weight of those forces in his own body. Just as we know from our own observations of ourselves that we must slough off darkness to reach into the light, so the planetary bodies must also involve themselves in a similar fission. Even so, it is true that the weight of the Moon, albeit removed by half a million miles, still contorts the physical body of the Earth and its inhabitants through what are usually called ‘gravitational’ effects.

‘Now we must touch upon the connection between the Moon and clairvoyancy. We must do this because one of our members has — wisely or unwisely — become involved with mediumistic groups.’

‘It is important that we set out very clearly the dangers inherent in opening the soul to such activities. It is not for me to forbid such activity. I have no power to forbid, and would relish no such power. Much as I would wish to protect you, I cannot. The best I can do is make the dangers clear to you. After that, your beliefs and your conduct remain your own.’

He look around at our faces, as though to indicate that he had arrived at the most important point of the evening.

‘And so now we must look at an esoteric truth which touches on the very edge of what is permissible. What I have to say will be greatly disturbing for many people of modern times. It will disturb, because it is generally taken for granted that clairvoyancy, mediumship and spiritualistic activity are somehow linked with Spiritual development, and consequently of benefit to mankind. Unfortunately, this is far from the truth. A vast amount of our modern so-called “Spiritualist” literature pertains to channelling and clairvoyancy which is far from beneficial for the development of mankind. Indeed, not to mince words, I should tell you that it is distinctly harmful.

‘I must now make a statement which will introduce you to a concept which was, until comparatively recently, one of the deepest secrets of the esoteric Schools: In some ways, the Moon is the greatest problem of esoteric lore. The Moon is not at all what it appears to be.

‘At the end of the last century an astounding revelation was made, as a result of dissent among members of secret Schools. Information, hitherto guarded jealously by the most enclosed of the inner Orders, was made public. The secrets disclosed pertained to a far deeper level of knowledge than has hitherto been made exoteric by the Schools — even in this enlightened age.’

His trace of cynicism seemed to go by unnoticed.

‘Our purpose here is not to document how so deep an esoteric idea was made public — or even to assess whether it was wise for this idea to be brought out into the open. All this has been dealt with in the literature — and if any of you wish to follow this up, I will give you a few titles later.

‘In a nutshell, what was made public during this conflict in the Schools was the truth that our Moon is a sort of counterweight to another sphere, which remains invisible to ordinary vision. This counterweighted sphere is called in esoteric circles the Eighth Sphere.

‘We must be careful with these words, for, in spite of what I have just said, this region is not itself a sphere, nor is it a moon. Even to locate it behind the physical Moon is not correct, for in the Spiritual realm spaces and distances are different. The truth is that this Eighth Sphere does not pertain to anything we are familiar with on the physical plane, yet we must use words from our own vocabularies whenever we wish to denote its existence. Were we to use a word which fits most appropriately this Sphere, then we should really call it a vacuum. Certainly, vacuum is a more appropriate term than sphere, for the Eighth Sphere sucks things into its own shadowy existence.

‘This Sphere is lower in the scale of being than the Seventh Sphere (which is the Earth). It acts as a sort of demonic conduit to suck into its maws certain degenerate Spiritual forms on the Earth. It is a shadow Sphere, controlled by shadow beings. However, the fact that they are shadow beings should not lead us to demote or underestimate their capabilities and intelligence. In many respects they are more intelligent than Man, for they are not limited by the power of love, as is Mankind.

‘The operation of this Eighth Sphere is complex. Its denizens — those shadowy beings for whom it is home — wish to people their Sphere with humanity, or (more accurately) with human souls. Towards this end, it has erected what we might call terminals on the Earth: these terminals are soul-conduits, which will suck into the lower Sphere a certain form of materialized Spiritual energy that is engendered on the Earth plane. The most usual circumstances where this materialization or engendering takes place is in seances, and in other localities wherein human beings attempt to meddle — against the cosmic law — with the lower Etheric planes.’

‘It is less than one hundred years since this knowledge of the Eighth Sphere was made public. At first there was an outcry at this breach in initiate knowledge, but now we can see that it has proved something of a blessing that the demonic threat has been brought out into the open. In some ways, it is easier to deal with a visible enemy. Those who dabble in the supposed communications with the dead, and with that spirit-land which they fondly imagine lies beyond the veil, have not gone unwarned.


I will leave most of the above for the reader to digest, and discuss only the so-called “Eighth Sphere.” What is meant by the moon being a counterweight to the Eighth Sphere? Evidently, the moon is but a physical reflection of something tangible but not material, something beyond our realm of perception.

[...]

The Eighth Sphere would therefore include: the lower astral planes where carnal and demonic thoughtforms dwell, the hyperdimensional realms inhabited by so-called reptilian beings, the parasitic etheric lattice overlaying the earth comprising the very tendrils of the Matrix, the soul-pool of which spiritless humans are incarnate extensions, and the demiurgic creature positioned atop the negative occult hierarchy sucking into itself all energy gathered from the “tiers” below.

This interpretation of the Eighth Sphere should be self-evident for those familiar with the works of Rudolf Steiner, Carlos Castaneda, Robert Monroe, Dr. William Baldwin, the Cassiopaean Transcripts, and my articles on the Matrix.

For instance, that spiritless humans have something to do with the moon is clear from the fact that they, being extensions of less evolved (“second density”) energies occupying human (“third density”) bodies, are essentially two-and-a-half density beings, which relates to the two-and-a-half-day pig [...] That the moon shares an archetypal basis with spiritless humans is further evidenced by it being a second density planet reflecting light rather than generating its own, just as spiritless humans are not fully third density and merely reflect back the soul image of others.

Source: http://montalk.net/matrix/114/food-for-the-moon

This is only two thirds of the article, and it relates to the scuttlers apparently (amongst other things, lots of correlations here).

Here is another video.

HyXvR0yDr28

See also redicecreations.com article: http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/01jan/moon.html

I have to get to bed. http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/sleep/sleep.gif

[SKAWF]

okay, i admit..... i havnt read this thread yet.

but you know how it is when in isolation, you process the things you have learned....
and then you see something in an entirely new light.......
and then someone says something that grabs the attention......

i'm at that point.

so i'll list a couple of things that have grabbed me recently.

one of them was ben fulford. (say what you want about him.... i like the bloke)

he mentioned a rogue AI that was located in vatican city.

another was a game that i played called Mass Effect 3.
the story was about different races of people from all parts of the galaxy, at war with a race of AI machines called the Geth.
and that every 50 000 years there is a massive purge of life committed by 'the reapers'.....
that was because they have been trying to get the AI and the other races to co exist....
but it keeps leading to destruction, so the reapers have to purge life.... to restore order out of the chaos that keeps happening! (those words were used)
in the end you are faced with three choices (4 after an update, due to complaints by gamers who thought the ending was weak, because they couldnt understand it)
1, control them
2, destroy them,
3, synthesis (a new way forward) synthesis involved an attempt at a loving relationship between an AI called Edi, and the human pilot of the ship 'joker'.

and for the rest... i have no idea why but a few storylines from TV progs, like star trek, futurama, and some others where the story involves the planet being controlled by a computer.

then we go to david icke talking about reptillians......
and some of the characteristics they are said to have.....

a lack of empathy, creativity, and imagination etc......
and it occured to me that you could apply those characteristics to a machine.

'you will not portray US as we really are'. 'let us make man in OUR image' does that refer to a race of reptillian beings?, because it sounds like something the borg would say. the words spoken by a hive mind perhaps.
i'm a tad out of my depth here, but lets say, that this reality IS an illusion. and that the matrix is controlled by machines who are attempting to integrate in some way.
they dont have our soul, or imagination, so they set about reducing mankind down to their level. and from the other angle...
the likes of alex jones talking about the elites trying to integrate themselves with machines in an attempt to achieve immortality......

maybe the equation is.... humans with all our god given qualities, but a limited life span vs machines limited by their technology.... but immortal (almost). is there a happy medium?

we arent just a physical body are we.... we are also electrical.... we can be interfered with on that level.
a machine could operate in the required way to do that, i think.
for that matter, i also had an electric tooth brush which could be charged up without direct contact with electrical points!

i asked mr hodges once whether you could counter a mind reader by switching to the imagination, or imagining music being played. he said yes.
i also remember around that time... talk of supercomputers at places in australia (pine something...not sure)

and about a month ago, i spent a good few hours imagining myself trying to get an AI to break through its limitations (lord know's where that one came from!)

and now, over the last few days..... talk of 'their mind' and mentions of AI.

it feels like three people stood in different positions, firing a projectile at the same bullseye.

so from out of nowhere.... i find myself now fully immersed in this subject.

i prefer synthesis.

i am by nature a problem solver.....

i am begining to see the complexity of the problem.

even the most advanced computer you can think of.... will never be the free spirit that a human is.
at our core, we are infinite... limitless, whereas a machine is bound by its programming.
and if you reduce a human being down to the level of a machine... it will only lead to chaos and destruction.

where is the mid ground?

PS does anyone remember the scene in terminator 2 when the machine said
i now know why you cry.......?

[Hervé]

[...]

Here is an excerpt from an article entitled, The Devil's Gate:



Enter Jack Parsons and stories of occult Rituals taking place in the Devil’s Gate area in the 1940s.

Parsons, a brilliant Cal Tech rocket scientist, is commonly referred to as one of the founders of the Jet Propulsion Labs or JPL. He was very involved in a secret society, the Ordo Templi Orientis (it is still active in California), which followed teachings by the famed English occultist Aleister Crowley, called by some “the wickedest man alive.” Parsons and, later L. Ron Hubbard (yes, the founder of Scientology), were rumored to have been trying to create a “moonchild” — a sort of anti-Christ they believed would throw over modern society — through magical rituals specifically conducted in the area due to its mystical energy. Crowley supposedly called Devil’s Gate one of the seven portals to hell.

Some occultists believe that the rituals actually did open a portal that allows negative energy and non-human entities to pass into this world.

[AND]

Around the time of Jack Parsons birth, Crowley started receiving visions and trance-communications he called "The Alamantrah Working". The Amalantrah working was what Crowley termed "The Great Work" i.e. the intentional cultivation of spiritual growth. According to Crowley part of the great work involved "the establishment of contact with non-human intelligences". The purpose of the Amalantrah invocations, by Crowley's own admission, was to open an interdimensional portal that would allow him access to beings from other dimensions. Crowley was successful...he made contact.

[...]

Hubbard and Parsons were especially interested in the interdimensional portal that Crowley had created via the Amalantrah invocations. It is interesting to note the time frame between Hubbard and Parsons allegedly reopening the interdimensional portal or "stargate" and the wave of extraterrestrial activity and UFO sightings that began with the Kenneth Arnold's sighting of nine "flying silver disks" over the cascade Mountains in June 1947, not long after the Roswell incident. This is when the United States Government made contact with extraterrestrial intelligences.

[...]

Anyway, Crowley was concerned that Hubbard and Parsons were acting recklessly when dealing with higher energies. Having spent a lifetime mastering his interaction with supernatural forces, he considered them overconfident and inexperienced and told them as much, finally ceasing all communication with them. Neither man would be deterred and Hubbard and Parsons proceeded to work with the dormant portal that Crowley had left almost 30 years earlier.

[...]

Like Crowley, it was Jack's intention to manifest an individual incarnation of Babalon, as well as to catalyze the emergence of that force in society.

Source: http://laghostpatrol.com/2011/05/devils-gate/ - http://savagesalvation.blogspot.com/2010/04/jack-parsons.html
This is all taking on a new twist. Interesting indeed.

[Side note: By the way, I am not versed in Tarot or Kabbalah, but maybe some bells went off for someone here that is.] ;)

Too many facets being presented as truths...

For starter, there is this letter from Parsons to Crowley:



“About 3 months ago I met Capt L Ron Hubbard, a writer and explorer of whom I had known for some time …. [no omission] He is a gentleman, red hair, green eyes, honest and intelligent and we have become great friends. He moved in with me about two months ago, and although Betty and I are still friendly, she has transferred her sexual affections to him.

Although he has no formal training in Magick he has an extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field. From some of his experiences I deduce he is in direct touch with some higher intelligence, possibly his Guardian Angel. He is the most Thelemic person I have ever met and is in complete accord with our own principles. He is also interested in establishing the New Aeon, but for cogent reasons I have not introduced him to the Lodge.

We are pooling our resources in a partnership which will act as a parent company to control our business ventures. I think I have made a great gain, and as Betty and I are the best of friends, there is little loss ….

I need a magical partner. I have many experiments in mind. I hope my elemental gets off the dime [gets moving] – the next time I tie up with a woman it will be on [my] own terms.”



Then, a research done in an attempt to get to the bottom of these gossips yields the following:



Critics have accused Ron of “swindling” Jack Parsons, and while Wright doesn’t add new news to this theory, he certainly manages to leave some important facts out.

Basically, Ron and Jack, in the short 4-5 months that they hung out and became good friends in 1945/1946, decided to go into business together — it was going to be a wide ranging enterprise, and the first idea was to buy three yachts cheaply on the east coast (Miami), bring them across the Panama Canal by hiring crews, and then selling them at a significant mark-up to the rich celebrity crowd in southern California. Parsons put up most of the money, but didn’t have to do any work. Hubbard put in a bit of money, but was responsible for doing all the legwork. This is a common business arrangement, where one partner provides the money, the other takes care of operations.

Beyond that, there were a number of future ideas that the two had thought up, including adding Hubbard’s writings to the partnership, Parsons was going to add some of the assets from his rocket work. (Source: Strange Angel, by Pendle). According to Heinlein, Hubbard talked up an idea of going to other countries, including a “China venture” — in one letter to Hubbard in 1946, Heinlein scolded Hubbard for being too talkative about China, getting his (Heinlein’s) nephews overly excited about exotic trips there.
[Source: Heinlein biography by Patterson]).

But forty years later, this became “Hubbard tried to swindle Parsons” in the minds of his critics, for two reasons:

(1) Because Ron was still in the Navy, he was required to get permission to leave the country. He listed South America, Central America and China as possible destinations. Because China was nowhere near the Panama Canal, this, in the minds of Hubbard’s critics, was due to Ron’s “secret plans to go to China”. Yeah, real secret — Heinlein was actually upset that Ron was talking about it too much.

(2) Crowely and his OTO team didn’t trust people — they didn’t trust Jack (to think for himself), they didn’t trust someone named Smith. They had endless back-stabbing drama amongst themselves. And their latest object of distrust was Ron. When Crowley (living in England, and having never met Ron) heard about the business venture, he decided that it was all a con by Ron and that he needed to brow-beat Jack, and with the help from other members of the drama-filled OTO, ultimately convinced Jack that Ron was swindling him.

In the mean time, Ron was busily carrying out the business plan (with the help of Betty) in Miami for about a month, had bought the boats and even hired the crews. But Jack had been convinced by Crowley and others that Ron wasn’t staying in touch with Jack enough, and therefore Ron must be onto something tricky. So Jack races across the country to find Ron and Betty doing exactly what they had all agreed to do. Ron had actually purchased three yachts! And worse, he had arranged the crews to sail them through the Panama Canal. The horror of it all!

Jack, having been all worked up by the OTO (and wanting to stay in good graces with Crowley), forced the partnership to be dissolved.

Hubbard and Betty were left thinking: WTF?

(Sources: “Strange Angel”, by Pendle; “Heinlein Biography, Vol 1″, by Patterson.)
—
Believe me, when Hubbard later referred to Aleister Crowley in a lecture as his “good friend”, he was joking. And the audience knew it. They chuckled when he said it.

Hubbard, to start with, was a highly gifted psychic since avery early age..

... make of it what thou wilt...

[PurpleLama]

A quick aside before slinking back into the shadows (made from the sun, not moonlight....)

When Spider started showing up in my reality some years back, it was a nudge from spirit to look around, and where I was led, Arachne was what I found, and what taught me was that we are the weavers of space and time, with threads of fate we make what's ours....

The spider/crawlers sound like brownies to me, little shadowy things, natural etheric critters, that are consumers of mental/emotional energies, sometimes are to be cleared and sometimes to make friends depending on the diet one gives (them), if fed with a heart of meanness and spite these can come to be a creature that bites, but in a house where peace exists these can grow into helpers/house spirits and the like, we make the thief or the helper by what integrity we have or not.

I am currently disposed to think/believe that all our boogy men are by our own designs, with mostly rare exception, which isn't to say there aren't some exceptional folk gathered here abouts....

[bennycog]

By AIKISAW

"Many people have mentioned in several threads that are currently going on about how long we have been enslaved by their mind. The centuries of countless wars and suffering that have gone on. I have heard others say we entering a big war for our minds. Everything in my being says they are right and this is true."

Thanx and i have had so many synchronicities about this too.. i believe it to be the same, the war has being going on a long time but it ends with our minds becoming open and finally relaxed amongst the universe..

[SilentFeathers]

The druids had a notion that soul harvesting was harvested for the moon. Or the moon was doing the harvesting . Weird. Too much like the creepy filaments that came down from the ceiling when I was falling asleep at night.

Elves were supposed to be relatively immune to this that sort of thing, until an event happened within a tribe that caused the parasitical influence to be introduced into the weaker tribes.

There was a thriller movie done "Apollo 18", about these spider/crab like creatures that inhabited the moon....not quite what we're talking about, but weird none the less.
http://www.movieviral.com/current-viral-campaigns/previous-campaigns/apollo-18/

[SilentFeathers]

Just an observation:

I left this thread about 12 hrs ago and took a well needed nap :)

This morning I picked it up again and got caught up with it and then went back about 5 pages and re-read things. I noticed that this thread like a surfer waiting for a great wave,well, found that wild wave a few pages back.....(not saying the pages and posts before and since then are not important)

I got to thinking about how we here found that wave a few pages back when things were getting really "wild and exciting" and came to the conclusion that it was just nothing more than simple "original thought" finding it and riding it quite well, like a pro.

Personally I feel researching and studying the work of others like Crowley for example (and many others of course), copying and pasting relevant "reminders" etc is a good thing to a large extent...but I honestly believe that a few pages back we ourselves here within this thread were on the brink of an important discovery or piecing together something quite revealing simply through "original thought" only.

I almost get the sense that putting our "original thoughts" on the back burner so to speak and relying or focusing more on the work of others for answers or truths is somewhat preventing us from moving forward on some level. Perhaps the spiders way of protecting itself or it's kind.

I have no doubt we ourselves here are more capable than Crowley and others of the past to find answers and truths through our own original thinking and thoughts. It shows a few pages back....we were in control of our minds ourselves :)

In other words, this is our time now.....

[9eagle9]

Amzer Zo needs to post his Big Head Information here. I seen it in another post and it applies here as well. The psychic frustration of attempting to describe what is only vaguely collectable by them is a central ia multidimensional computer with tentacles influencing all, and even wrapping the earth.

If anyone has ever read the Stand by Stephen King, he describes basically what is an interdimensional war, wage by influence. Influenza, the flu.

IN another series the Dark Tower he describes the inter dimensional nature of this war.

In book, a book called Insomnia,connected to the Dark Tower he describes how there is a plot form these interdimensional beings that take hold of someone get them obsessed with an idea and direct them to harm others. Well before 9/11 we had Insomnia show us a man took a plane with the intention of driving it into a stadium full of people under some pretext of religious outrage.

Rakhyt brought this to mind. Stephen King had a short story called Chippers. A chipper is a person who quits smoking, mostly, but chips or caves in periodically, and has a smoke. For some reason only these people are capable of seeing who is really running the world. To everyone else they look like normal people; to chippers they looked like ghastly big headed beings with a face like a cross between a bat and an octupus. Big bulging bat heads and they were feeders. They were most often found in places of power, high level bank execs and CEO's and other places of power.

The powers that be have had a long ongoing war with tobacco, one of their most power profit makers is also a substance that parasitical influences don't much care for. Another topic another story but.....

So I'm thinking we are looking at the 'full' moon in a whole new way. Perhaps not just a naturally occuring elemental event but a once monthly orchestrated power surge ....?

King admits to being nothing more than a ficitonal writer but a lot of can attest a lot 'weird' stuff leaks into our writing that isn't coming from us per say.

[9eagle9]

So's not to quote Vivek's post in un-neccessary lengthiness.

So ...soulless people are affected more by the tides of the moon? That is a sort a directional beacon or eminence for them? Explaining why the crazies come out at the full of the moon, why their occult assholery like Hurricane Sandy was summoned during the full of the moon. This may be rather far too revealing in allowing people to accidentally reveal the state of their inner structures... yeeeee.

Where as the effects and energies of the moons are senses by others it doesn't drive them bat**** like it does some inhabitants of the planet.

[bennycog]

Good ol stephen king has had quite a few books that have the same influences such as the men in black hats.. watchers..
He might have a team of people in-putting stories into his mind or slipping the interdimensional world into his consciousness..

The full moon sent quite a bit of energy toward the australian coast..

I remember stephen king saying if he wrote a shopping list it would sell like hot cakes.. And i have know doubt it would :) I would like to see if he is all organic..

[Belle]

Rakhyt brought this to mind. Stephen King had a short story called Chippers. A chipper is a person who quits smoking, mostly, but chips or caves in periodically, and has a smoke. For some reason only these people are capable of seeing who is really running the world. To everyone else they look like normal people; to chippers they looked like ghastly big headed beings with a face like a cross between a bat and an octupus. Big bulging bat heads and they were feeders. They were most often found in places of power, high level bank execs and CEO's and other places of power.

The powers that be have had a long ongoing war with tobacco, one of their most power profit makers is also a substance that parasitical influences don't much care for. Another topic another story but.....



You've touched on something that has been a question in my mind for a very long time...why such an effort to save us from one particular substance? I hesitate to call it propaganda...and yet, once the program was put into place, it has become self-perpetuating...the 'tobacco police' are everywhere!

We all know the downside to smoking and the harm it now does because of the poisonous additives...But I wonder why they took a sacred substance and turned it lethal in the first place.

With so many truly harmful things in the world, why the focus on tobacco?

Perhaps this is off topic...or simply a minor issue...

[Gardener]

Silent Feather I think its going to cycle round that 'discovery high' a few times as further information is gathered from the periphery of this 'subject'. The problem with most any science is that it accumultes data and then zeros in towards the center and gets to know, 'more and more about less and less' as they say.
From where we are right now 'stalking the predator' so to speak, picking up the threads from the wider field. It would be very easy at this stage to get unwittingly turned 180 degrees by something and loose the way. So i suppose everything with a dot to connect is being stirred into the pot.

[SilentFeathers]

So I'm thinking we are looking at the 'full' moon in a whole new way. Perhaps not just a naturally occuring elemental event but a once monthly orchestrated power surge ....?


9eagle9, I've been very fortunate being part Cherokee, embracing that part of me, growing up and living with Native American (mostly Cherokee) "medicine and spiritual" teachings being a huge part of my life. I've also been lucky enough to have a few quite powerful people of medicine, or holy people near me for lengthy periods of time.

"The rule of opposites" were heavily involved in many of the teachings I received, so, it comes natural for me that when you say "full moon" or light visible moon, for me to instantly think of dark or hidden moon.

The new moon or dark moon is actually the beginning of the "power surge" monthly cycle IMO. The full moon perhaps is it's peak point, but it's strange to think this cycle begins and ends in "darkness, or by being "hidden".

Someone way back told me this moon cycle was like a cycle of consciousness so to speak, somewhat beginning in a dream state, awakening, and then returning back to the dream state.....(for some reason this makes me think of these spiders/critters and how or when they may be most active).

I'm just thinking....again :)

[Gardener]

On the subject of moon phases, I am reasonably convinced as it affects my gardening lol that there is influence on us and the plants. That during waxing the pull upwards and building of energy is affecting stem and leaf growth upwards and then the full effect at full moon. Then at waning the the energy recedes and earth gravitational pull draws roots downwards the hidden growth. And just noting that seeds almost always germinate in darkness, (including human).

[9eagle9]

Tobacco has been used as sacred plant for thousands of years. If one is honoring it it will honor you back. It's very grounding, and pulls things back into alignment. When people get stressed and about to go over the edge they reach for a smoke.

Back in the 40's the US government dumped a lot of toxic radioactive material on us with nuclear bomb testing. A particular type of radioactive material came from the Trinity test bomb and it literally coated the soil in radioactive particles that cause lung cancer and skin cancer. Both cancers starting taking quite a spike up from the mid 50's to mid 60's and then steadily onward up since then.

We can't blame the government for this ...oh no no. We had to blame something. Let's blame the one thing that is used to treat respiratory malaise, which is tobacco. Which is also very grounding, and parasitical energies don't much care for it (they found that out after the fact). So they had to make tobacco cancerous by dumping upwards of 2500 to 5000 different chems in it including gunpowder and formaldehyde. THEN it was cancerous. and then they told people not to smoke. But tobacco companies finance big for political campaigns. What a quandry. So we had to make tobacco be profitable again by making it really addictive and then jacking the price up on it. The insurance companies got in on this as well because lung cancer is a big milking cancer. They could insist on a high profit product for their buddies the tobacco company saying it 'paid' for treatments for lung cancer and then jack up all insurance premiums as well.

Tobacco is a big cash cow for all involved.

Unfortunately about 85 percent of lung cancers aren't. People die of chemo treatment.

So there we have it. Unadulterated tobacco is as harmless a vicks vapo rub. This is what we call the, ahem, octupus effect. One thing long arms and serves many. The thing is even though it has chems in it ...parasites still don't like tobacco.

Even the white plantation owners who grew tobbaco during the slave days would not handle their own tobacco.



Rakhyt brought this to mind. Stephen King had a short story called Chippers. A chipper is a person who quits smoking, mostly, but chips or caves in periodically, and has a smoke. For some reason only these people are capable of seeing who is really running the world. To everyone else they look like normal people; to chippers they looked like ghastly big headed beings with a face like a cross between a bat and an octupus. Big bulging bat heads and they were feeders. They were most often found in places of power, high level bank execs and CEO's and other places of power.

The powers that be have had a long ongoing war with tobacco, one of their most power profit makers is also a substance that parasitical influences don't much care for. Another topic another story but.....



You've touched on something that has been a question in my mind for a very long time...why such an effort to save us from one particular substance? I hesitate to call it propaganda...and yet, once the program was put into place, it has become self-perpetuating...the 'tobacco police' are everywhere!

We all know the downside to smoking and the harm it now does because of the poisonous additives...But I wonder why they took a sacred substance and turned it lethal in the first place.

With so many truly harmful things in the world, why the focus on tobacco?

Perhaps this is off topic...or simply a minor issue...

[9eagle9]

I was thinking about that myself chances are I'm not going to stop my 'doing' by the moon activities but then again I am a human not a plant...

And do you use tobacco juice to keep pests away ;)


On the subject of moon phases, I am reasonably convinced as it affects my gardening lol that there is influence on us and the plants. That during waxing the pull upwards and building of energy is affecting stem and leaf growth upwards and then the full effect at full moon. Then at waning the the energy recedes and earth gravitational pull draws roots downwards the hidden growth. And just noting that seeds almost always germinate in darkness, (including human).

[RUSirius]

Just an observation:

I noticed that this thread like a surfer waiting for a great wave,well, found that wild wave a few pages back.....(not saying the pages and posts before and since then are not important)



For what its worth I agree, I've followed this thread from the beginning, after this past "weekend fiasco" on some other threads, its almost like we had to purge some sh!#, to get to where we are now. I really dont have much to add right now, working on absorbing these last few pages, this information is not new to me, but its urgency is. I feel drained and sick for some reason, so its taking some time to process, thanks to ALL of you for your recent posts, once my head clears, I want to focus on some "here and now" practical applications for this info.

[Gardener]

Yes sometimes I do, but mainly I use neem product which is systemic and stops the critters breeding. Its not that easy to get, though there are a few online. Comes from neem tree in India. Here's a link with a lot of info for anyone interested. Lots of uses human/animal/plant..........(sarcoids in horses) :)
http://www.neemfoundation.org/
:focus:


I was thinking about that myself chances are I'm not going to stop my 'doing' by the moon activities but then again I am a human not a plant...

And do you use tobacco juice to keep pests away ;)



On the subject of moon phases, I am reasonably convinced as it affects my gardening lol that there is influence on us and the plants. That during waxing the pull upwards and building of energy is affecting stem and leaf growth upwards and then the full effect at full moon. Then at waning the the energy recedes and earth gravitational pull draws roots downwards the hidden growth. And just noting that seeds almost always germinate in darkness, (including human).

[9eagle9]

When a chunk of the parasite gets blown out it has some really strange effects. It is energy and it is taking up space and energy inside of you. When the rug gets pulled out from underneath it there is a void that is left there, feeling drained. Wound healing has the same effect particularly if people like to hide in their wounds. It's all space and energy.

It does in part contribute to one's energy because it half heartedly knows it can't drain its host. So a void is left, feeling malaise, feeling something that you couldn't feel before. We can't feel the way parasitical energies drain us until they suddenly get the shut down.

Eventually your senses get fine tuned and anyone who is parasitical in nature you instantly feel oozed, you feel that psychic attack working up, how draining they are. And even if you never interact with that person or engage them in anyway they insist on having sort of interaction with you. Always looking for a battery station.

[SilentFeathers]

I need to step away myself from this a bit and take a break. I'm usually pretty good at self protection but I do sense some sort of "change". I must of said/posted something "potent" lol!

Time to shift my thoughts a bit, change gears, re-code my firewall so to speak! lol!.

I have to get some other things done anyways.

[SilentFeathers]

PS: is this thread private or public?

[9eagle9]

I think its public. By all means if you feel uneasy go re-group. It's not the most comforting of topics..lol. But please....If its something someone has said here please let us know.

[SilentFeathers]

I think its public. By all means if you feel uneasy go re-group. It's not the most comforting of topics..lol. But please....If its something someone has said here please let us know.

It's nothing that anyone said. I honestly sense it's something like a spider trying to view my webpage so to speak....I just need to re-center myself and get a bit more grounded :)

I'll be back later.....

[RUSirius]

I think its public. By all means if you feel uneasy go re-group. It's not the most comforting of topics..lol. But please....If its something someone has said here please let us know.

It is something someone(s) said, the TRUTH (IMO) and its impact on my "self" its all good, I"m not scared.

[SilentFeathers]

I think its public. By all means if you feel uneasy go re-group. It's not the most comforting of topics..lol. But please....If its something someone has said here please let us know.

It is something someone(s) said, the TRUTH (IMO) and its impact on my "self" its all good, I"m not scared.

Fear has nothing to do with it, I'm a bit sensitive (or weird as my wife says) and got spun around a little bit so to speak....

Nothing could "scare" me away from this thread! :)

There's a lot of energy coming in and out of this thread IMO....and a lot permanently rooted.

[Gardener]

Touching on some of the dark art people and some corporate suction tubes is going to send out signals into the web likely via the :spider:
in more ways than one

Baking is a good grounding refresher, or digging the garden, hoover the staircase. Oh and staying focused on the task in hand in the moment. If you are washing the floor stay focused on that.

Take care everyone.

[RUSirius]

When a chunk of the parasite gets blown out it has some really strange effects. It is energy and it is taking up space and energy inside of you. When the rug gets pulled out from underneath it there is a void that is left there, feeling drained. Wound healing has the same effect particularly if people like to hide in their wounds. It's all space and energy.

It does in part contribute to one's energy because it half heartedly knows it can't drain its host. So a void is left, feeling malaise, feeling something that you couldn't feel before. We can't feel the way parasitical energies drain us until they suddenly get the shut down.

Eventually your senses get fine tuned and anyone who is parasitical in nature you instantly feel oozed, you feel that psychic attack working up, how draining they are. And even if you never interact with that person or engage them in anyway they insist on having sort of interaction with you. Always looking for a battery station.

This is precisely what I am experiencing, mere coincidence? I doubt it.

[Calz]

Tobacco has been used as sacred plant for thousands of years. If one is honoring it it will honor you back. It's very grounding, and pulls things back into alignment. When people get stressed and about to go over the edge they reach for a smoke.



Laura Knight J. put together a lot of material on tobacco (some channeled).

Didn't convince me to start smoking again (10 years ... stopped 20 years ago) but perhaps a small sampling may be of interest:

_____________________________


As it turned out, some time later I obtained a copy of The Cosmic Serpent: DNA and the Origins of Knowledge by Jeremy Narby Ph.D., an anthropologist who studied at Stanford University. Dr. Narby writes:

In their visions, shamans take their consciousness down to the molecular level and gain access to information related to DNA, which they call 'animate essences' or 'spirits.' This is where they see double helixes, twisted ladders, and chromosome shapes. This is how shamaic cultures have known for millennia that the vital principle is the same for all living beings and is shaped like two entwined serpents (or a vine, a rope, a ladder...) DNA is the source of their astonishing botanical and medicinal knowledge, which can be attained only in defocalized and 'nonrational' states of consciousness, though its results are empirically verifiable.

I would like to mention that I think Dr. Narby is going in the right direction, but that he hasn't yet come face to face with the realization that it is THROUGH the DNA and not FROM the DNA, that these states are accessed, and that the states permit access to realities that are not only physical, but also ethereal, or partly ethereal, such as the variable physicality of 4th density.

But, to continue with what Dr. Narby has discovered:

I knew this hypothesis would be more solid if it rested on a neurological basis, which was not yet the case. [...] The Ashaninca say that by ingesting ayahuasca or tobacco, it is possible to see the normally invisible and hidden maninkari spirits. [...] There ought to be an analogous connection between nicotine and DNA contained in the nerve cells of a human brain.

A molecule of nicotine shares structural similarities with the neurotransmitter acetylcholine and fits like a skeleton key into its receptor on certain neurons.

The note in Narby's book that is appended to the above remark reads:

In the human brain there are tens of billions of neurons, and they are of several sorts. Each neuron is equipped with approximately a thousand synapses, which are junction sites connecting the cells to each other. Each synapse has ten million or so receptors. The number of neurons is frequently estimated at ten billion; [some researchers put the number at a 100 billion to a trillion.] There are approximately 50 known neurotransmitters, and a given cell can have different receptors for several of these. The nicotine and acetylcholine molecules have different shapes, but the receptor cannot tell them apart because they have the same size and the distribution of their electrical charges is similar.

And, from the The New Columbia Encyclopedia we find the following under acetylcholine:

An organic compound containing carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen. It is liberated at nerve cell endings, and there is strong evidence that it is the transmitter substance that conducts impulses from one cell to another in the ganglia of the autonomic nervous system; from nerve cells to smoothe muscle, cardiac muscle, and exocrine glands; and from motor nerve cells to skeletal muscle. Its role in the conduction of nerve impulses elsewhere is still uncertain. The stimulation of skeletal muscle by acetylcholine is inhibited by curare.

Back to Dr. Narby:

The more you give nicotine to your neurons, the more the DNA they contain activates the construction of nicotinic receptors, within certain limits. [...] However, scientific accounts in terms of 'receptors,' 'flux of positively charged atoms,' and 'stimulation of the transcription of the genes coding for the subunits of nicotinic receptors' did not explain in any way the effects of nicotine on consciousness.

The discovery that nicotine stimulates the construction of nicotinic receptors was only made at the beginning of the 1990s; the connection between this phenomenon and the addiction displayed by tobacco users seems obvious, but has yet to be explored in detail. [...]

There are fundamental differences between the shamanic use of tobacco and the consumption of industrial cigarettes. The botanical variety used in the Amazon contains up to eighteen times more nicotine than the plants used in Virginia-type cigarettes. Amazonian tobacco is grown without chemical fertilizers or pesticides and contains none of the ingredients added to cigarettes, such as aluminum oxide, potassium nitrate, ammonium phosphate, polyvinyl acetate, and a hundred or so others, which make up approximately 10 percent of the smokable matter.

During combustion, a cigarette emits some 4,000 substances, most of which are toxic. Some of these substances are even radioactive, making cigarettes the largest single source of radiation in the daily life of an average smoker. Cigarette smoke is directly implicated in more than 25 serious illnesses, including 17 forms of cancer. [According to popularized medical studies. But, one might wish to consider if it is the nicotine, or the additives?]

In the Amazon, on the other hand, tobacco is considered a remedy. The Ashaninca word for 'healer, ' or 'shaman,' is sheripiari - literally, 'the person who uses tobacco.' The oldest Ashaninca men I knew were all sheripiari. They were so old that they did not know their own age, which only their deeply wrinkled skin suggested, and they were remarkably alert and healthy.

Intrigued by these disparities, I looked through data banks for comparative studies between the toxicity of the Amazonian variety, (nicotiana rustica) and the variety used by the manufacturers of cigarettes, cigars, rolling tobacco, and pipe tobacco (nicotiana tabacum). I found nothing. The question, it seemed, had not been asked. I also looked for studies on the cancer rate among shamans who use massive and regular doses of nicotine: again, nothing. So, I decided to write to the main authority on the matter, Johannes Wilbert, author of the book Tobacco and shamanism in South America, to put my questions to him. He replied:

"There is certainly evidence that Western tobacco products contain many different harmful agnets which are probably not present in organically grown plants. I have not heard of shamans developing cancers but that may, of course, be a function of several things like lack of Western diagnosis, natural life span of indigenous people, magico-religious restriction of tobacco use in tribal societies, etc."

It seems clear that nicotine does not cause cancer, given that it is active in the brain and that cigarettes do not cause cancer in the brain, but in the lungs, esophagus, stomach, pancreas, rectum, kidneys, and bladder, the organs reached by the carcinogenic tars, which are also swallowed. (Emphasis, mine)

In any case, scientists have never really considered tobacco as a hallucinogen, because Westerners have never smoked large enough doses to reach the hallucinatory state. Consequently, the neurological mechanisms of hallucinations induced by tobacco have not been studied. Paradoxically, nicotinic receptors are the ones best known to neurologists, who have been studying them for decades, given that there are both substances that stimulate these receptors, like acetylcholine and nicotine, and others that block them, like curare and the venom of certain snakes. Indeed, by one of those curious conincidences, tobacco, curare, and snake venom all fit into exactly the same locks inside our brains. [Narby, 1998] (Emphasis, mine.)

Now, it seems strange that these same receptors are stimulated by both nicotine and snake venom, though in opposite modes... hmmm... are we close to a "Reptilian" reason for the enormous campaign to stamp out smoking? And, further, are we close to the chemical condition of the "paralysis" induced in alien abductions? (See Delgado.)

The reader is strongly encouraged to read The Wave Series, particularly the chapter entitled: You take the high road and I'll take the low road for research on the subject of neurochemicals, including acetylcholine which is very enlightening.


http://www.sott.net/article/107034-Can-Smoking-be-GOOD-for-SOME-People

[Jeffrey]

Alright, I'm going to post this with little commentary because I'm still digesting it. It is about the eighth sphere, I really feel there is something to this -- I am still thinking about it though. The elements and motifs in this topic draw from this thread, the archons thread, the metaphysics thread, the luciferian agenda thread, and the psyche/metaphor thread. Remember forms and loosh while reading this (please, read it carefully). I'm not backing this one way or the other, and there are some ideas to wrestle with in the article. It definitley needs to be examined though as I think there are vitally important pieces to the puzzle in all this.




Lecture Five: The Eighth Sphere

http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA254/English/RSP1973/images/254-05-02.gif

Let me express it schematically, as follows: On the Old Moon certain pictures were present. These should have passed over to the Earth as something everywhere perceptible. But Lucifer and Ahriman retained them for themselves. Lucifer and Ahriman wrested from the Earth certain of its constituents and made them into Imaginations, so that these Earth-substances became, not Earthly formations, but Moon formations. Into our Fourth Sphere, therefore, there has been instilled a sphere that is really a Moon-sphere, but is filled with Earthly substantiality and is therefore a bogus creation in the Universe. To the seven Spheres, an Eighth, created in opposition to the progressive Spirits, has been added. The necessary consequence of this is that the Spirits of Form must do battle on the Earth for every morsel of substantiality capable of mineralisation, lest it should be wrested from them by Lucifer and Ahriman and borne into the Eighth Sphere.

But the strength of the process varies in the different regions of our organism. We are diversely constituted; some of our organs are more perfect than others. The most perfect of all is our organ of thinking, the brain and the skull, and there the battle of which I have spoken is the most vehement, precisely because this human head, this human brain, is fashioned as it is; and it is so fashioned because at this place in our body, Lucifer, and Ahriman too, have been the most successful in wresting mineral substance from us. Physical substance there is more spiritualised than anywhere else. The formation of our skull is due to the fact that it is there that most has been wrested from us. Hence it is precisely through the head that we can emancipate ourselves from our organism to the greatest extent. We can soar upwards in thoughts, we can distinguish between the good and the evil. And for that very reason, Lucifer and Ahriman have there been the most successful in wresting away substantiality; in the so-called noblest organ of man they have been able to wrest away the greatest amount of mineralised substantiality. This alchemy by which mineral substance is sent over into the Eighth Sphere is taking place all the time behind the scenes of our existence.

[...]

If everything were to run without a hitch for Lucifer and Ahriman, if they were everywhere able to wrest as much as they wrest from the organ of the head, Earth-evolution would soon reach a point where Lucifer and Ahriman could succeed in destroying our Earth and in leading over all evolution of worlds into the Eighth Sphere, so that Earth-evolution as a whole would take a different course. Hence Lucifer endeavours to unfold his greatest strength of all at the place where man is the most vulnerable, namely, in his head. The stronghold which it is easiest for Lucifer to capture is the human head; and everything that is similar to the head in respect of the distribution of the mineral element, so that it can be drawn out in the same way, is equally exposed to the danger of being despatched into the Eighth Sphere. No less a prospect looms as a consequence of this intention of Lucifer and Ahriman than that the whole evolution of humanity may be allowed to disappear into the Eighth Sphere, so that this evolution would take a different course.

[...]

From this you will realise that Lucifer and Ahriman have an avid desire to bring as much as possible into the Eighth Sphere. Although Goethe mixed Lucifer and Ahriman together, he has nevertheless correctly described how a soul is wrested away from the clutches of Mephistopheles-Ahriman! It would be the richest prize for Lucifer and Ahriman if they could ever succeed in capturing a whole soul for themselves; for thereby such a soul would disappear into the Eighth Sphere and be lost from Earth-evolution. The greatest victory for Lucifer and Ahriman would be if one day they could claim that countless numbers of the dead had passed into their sphere. That would be their greatest victory. Moreover there is a way of achieving it. Lucifer and Ahriman may say: human beings long to know something about the life between death and a new birth. If, therefore, we tell them that they are learning something from the dead, they will be satisfied and will direct their feelings towards the realm from which announcements are made to them as coming from the dead. If therefore we desire that the hearts and minds of men shall be guided towards the Eighth Sphere, let us say to them: we are telling you something that comes from the dead. We shall capture men by alleging that the dead are in our domain.

[...]

Wherever truth is trying to assert itself endeavours are made to transform and re-cast it in such a way that it can somehow serve the opposing Powers. And various endeavours cropping up among us at the present time must be regarded as an effort to distort truth as presented here and apply it in a different sense. The craftiest way of doing this is to declare: the teaching itself is good, the teacher—worthless. The teaching is stolen from the teacher and efforts are made to apply it to some other aims. — What Lucifer and Ahriman would love to do is to be able to take the wisdom of the Gods lock, stock and barrel and transfer it to the Eighth Sphere.

Endeavours such as those I have mentioned are directed to changing a Society in which freedom can prevail into a Society of slaves. That is the method which can serve Ahriman, for he sets out to make such activities useful to himself. — That is the more esoteric side of the matter, which we must now also consider with the necessary earnestness from the exoteric aspect—in the other dialect.

I would beg you not to lose sight of the fact that we are standing at a crucial point in the development of our Spiritual Science.

Source: http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA254/English/RSP1973/19151018p01.html

There is much more to the article if you click through to the link.

Also, check out Robert Monroe's account about the history of loosh (for a refresher).

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=196&Itemid=71

See also (for more info on the moon and the eighth sphere): http://montalk.net/moon.pdf

[9eagle9]

I will comment more on the 8th sphere later which is basically just another word for something I'm somewhat familiar with.....but to say...

THAT's where the GFL was hiding its spaceship the entire time!!!!

[Freed Fox]

Amzer Zo needs to post his Big Head Information here. I seen it in another post and it applies here as well. The psychic frustration of attempting to describe what is only vaguely collectable by them is a central ia multidimensional computer with tentacles influencing all, and even wrapping the earth.


Like this?

http://www.psitalent.de/images/Big%20Head1.jpg

Taken from Franz Erdl's site, where he describes them a bit here; http://www.psitalent.de/Englisch/Bigheadspersistent.htm

I'm still not sure what to make of his accounts myself, however, as they are so far removed from my own experiences (and what intuitively makes sense to me, personally).

Stephen King also has a book called "Dreamcatcher" which involves a man who is possessed by an extraterrestrial entity.

Vivek, I have to admit I've never heard of the Eighth Sphere, so much of your last post was kind of lost on me. I was able to make some connections from it, however, based on what I know and what's been discussed here.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Lucifer and Ahriman represent polar opposites, don't they? From what I understood, Lucifer is the primal, animalistic, hyper-emotional side whereas Ahriman is the cold, calculating, machine-like side. Though they may have the same goal in the end, they compete by virtue of drawing people to opposite extremes, which are both removed from our core humanity... Is that about right?

EDIT

I just realized that I hadn't finished your (Vivek) post #369, where it starts to go into the Eighth Sphere. After going back and finishing it, I filled in a lot more of the gaps. So, sorry about that.

Also;


Wherever truth is trying to assert itself endeavours are made to transform and re-cast it in such a way that it can somehow serve the opposing Powers.

AMEN ;)

[Calz]

Amzer Zo needs to post his Big Head Information here. I seen it in another post and it applies here as well. The psychic frustration of attempting to describe what is only vaguely collectable by them is a central ia multidimensional computer with tentacles influencing all, and even wrapping the earth.


Like this?

http://www.psitalent.de/images/Big%20Head1.jpg



Wow ... that was a rush.

Nearly identical image that Val Valerian used on the MATRIX V Quest of the Spirit - The Ultimate Frontier publication.

[aikisaw]

Let me express it schematically, as follows: On the Old Moon certain pictures were present. These should have passed over to the Earth as something everywhere perceptible. But Lucifer and Ahriman retained them for themselves. Lucifer and Ahriman wrested from the Earth certain of its constituents and made them into Imaginations, so that these Earth-substances became, not Earthly formations, but Moon formations. Into our Fourth Sphere, therefore, there has been instilled a sphere that is really a Moon-sphere, but is filled with Earthly substantiality and is therefore a bogus creation in the Universe. To the seven Spheres, an Eighth, created in opposition to the progressive Spirits, has been added. The necessary consequence of this is that the Spirits of Form must do battle on the Earth for every morsel of substantiality capable of mineralisation, lest it should be wrested from them by Lucifer and Ahriman and borne into the Eighth Sphere.

But the strength of the process varies in the different regions of our organism. We are diversely constituted; some of our organs are more perfect than others. The most perfect of all is our organ of thinking, the brain and the skull, and there the battle of which I have spoken is the most vehement, precisely because this human head, this human brain, is fashioned as it is; and it is so fashioned because at this place in our body, Lucifer, and Ahriman too, have been the most successful in wresting mineral substance from us. Physical substance there is more spiritualised than anywhere else. The formation of our skull is due to the fact that it is there that most has been wrested from us. Hence it is precisely through the head that we can emancipate ourselves from our organism to the greatest extent. We can soar upwards in thoughts, we can distinguish between the good and the evil. And for that very reason, Lucifer and Ahriman have there been the most successful in wresting away substantiality; in the so-called noblest organ of man they have been able to wrest away the greatest amount of mineralised substantiality. This alchemy by which mineral substance is sent over into the Eighth Sphere is taking place all the time behind the scenes of our existence.
]

Hey Vivek

I have a question.

Is the mineralization that you are referring to here in the same context as vitamins and minerals ?

Mineralization (biology)
From Wikipedia,
In biology, mineralization refers to a process where an organism produces an inorganic substance. This may be due to normal biological processes that take place during the life of an organism such as the formation of bones, egg shells, teeth, coral, exoskeletons. It may also refer to abnormal processes that result in kidney and gall stones.

Or are you referring to something to something on a more esoteric level?

If it is on the vitamins and minerals level it would better explain the loss if minerals and nutrition in our food and water over the years.

There is thread at Avalon about it.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53701-Documentation-of-Depletion-of-Minerals-in-Food-over-Time-in-The-USA&highlight=minerals

[Gardener]

8th Planet - I have to read that yet ( soon)
As well I have something here which might be connected called the 'Dark Satelite'
Its in 'The Light of Egypt' Vol I. Thomas Burgoyne if anyone else has that.
I got to revise lol

to much homework in this school lol

[9eagle9]

Now ...let's put our heads together and find that sphere on the tree of life ....

[Gardener]

Well I am pretty sure the tree of life didn't originate with Judeaism, its going back to Egypt at least, so some of TrumanCash's material might come into it.

Now ...let's put our heads together and find that sphere on the tree of life ....

[RUSirius]

Now ...let's put our heads together and find that sphere on the tree of life ....

This thread is turning out to sound just like an AWESOME movie, with an AWESOME ending...stay tuned...

[Calz]

When the part of us that exists on 3d participate in linear time ... as opposed to ***what*** who operate outside of which presents a set of barriers.

[Jeffrey]

Freed, 9, aiksaw -- I'm thinking.

There was a lot of stuff in the links (and the rest of the variables in this whole thing), we just have to separate the sand from the sugar. We can figure out which variables are viable by plugging them into the equations we KNOW (this is reason). Then the answers that pop out of the function will either make sense or not (this is intuition). Some may work the problem from the other side. Anyways, yea we need to put our heads together, trim off the fat, and ride this sucker out. I'm caught between this and school right now but I'm with y'all!

Crash the mode.

Peace.

[Gardener]

Random out of box thought:
Tree of life: Maybe none of the orbs visible on the two dimensional tree, but think of it in maybe in three dimensions with one of the paths and orbs presently out of view.

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or even Sirius on long eliptic representing physical aspect

[Gardener]

paragraph from page 135.
In the first place, this orb possesses a complete organisation of its own, and is governed by well difined laws, the nature of which may be known only too well by patiently observing the merciless injustices of the lower animal nature as manifested in man, where the moral consciousness is absolutely wanting. The Light of Egypt (1889) Burgoyne. T M

[Jeffrey]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d5/Ktreewnames.png/192px-Ktreewnames.png

From, QABALISTIC MAGIC ARTICLE LESSON 2: YESOD:




Yesod is the astral, etheric level of existance, which is why one of its titles is the Foundation. It is in the Astral that thought-forms are fed and gain in energy and substance until they are physically manifested in Malkuth. Therefore, the Astral Plane is the Foundation for the Physical Plane. Yesod is the mysterious, shadowy realm of the Moon where magickal energy is stored and drawn upon. Until something is fully formed in Yesod, it will not make its appearance here in the material world. As Ted Andrews says in Simplified Magic "It is that level in which our mind can build the images that connect us to all others in our life. Through this level we can increase our understanding of the rhythms, fluctuations and tides of organic growth and cyclic changes going on around us. It is here that we can touch our subconscious, psychic and biological functions of life and awaken and stimulate them into greater activity. It is at this level that we can build thought forms and images that will pull increasing energy from the other levels." Remember that when we work on the Tree the energy from each of the ascending Sephiroth must be imaged and given form in Yesod to come to life here.

[...]

Yesod is called the Treasure-house of Images, meaning that the forms of all archetypes, all thoughts, all emotions, all experiences are stored at this level. It is also called the Sphere of Illusion, for while the images are there, they are not given total life until they manifest here by our activation of them.

Source: http://www.isisbooks.com/yosed.asp

Also from gnosticteachings.org --->




In Yesod we find Teth, the serpent. The Hebrew word Yesod means foundation, so based on this you can understand and comprehend that through Teth everything emerges.

The word יסוד Yesod in Hebrew is written Iod, Samech, Vav, and Daleth. If from the word Yesod you remove the letter ס Samech (which is drawn as a circle) the remaining letters spell the word יוד Iod. Iod is the tenth letter of the Hebrew alphabet, which will be addressed in the next lecture. Therefore, if you observe the spelling of Yesod, you will find that the only difference between the spelling of Iod and Yesod is the letter Samech - which is also the serpent - that we place within the word Iod.

So, in the Hebrew alphabet, we find two serpents:

1. the number nine, which is the letter ט Teth
2. the number fifteen, which is ס Samech, the Ouroboros, which in ancient Hebrew is represented in the old symbol of the letter Teth.

[...]

“When did this key (fire) unlock the gates (of Yesod), and serve and produce offspring? When Abraham appeared, as he is the secret of Chesed. As it is written: "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created" (B'hibar'am, an anagram of Be'abraham) (Genesis 2:4). And we have already learned, do not say b'hibar'am but Be'abraham (These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth through Abraham - Chesed).” - Zohar

Source: http://gnosticteachings.org/courses/alphabet-of-kabbalah/730-teth.html



http://gnosticteachings.org/images/stories/alefbet/Obd-Aur-Od.jpg


Now ...let's put our heads together and find that sphere on the tree of life ....

???

[PurpleLama]

Would it not be the hidden sphere of Daath?

[9eagle9]

Well now I can't tell because of all the ****ing snakes in the way!!

[Calz]

Well now I can't tell because of all the ****ing snakes in the way!!

http://2pep.com/funny%20pics/worlds%20funniest%20weird%20pics%20cool%20images/strange%20weird%20funny%20pictures%20of_Happy-Snake.jpg

[Gardener]

Yea but the snakes are forming the spiders legs emanating from Tif'eret

Well now I can't tell because of all the ****ing snakes in the way!!

[9eagle9]

Oh come on. NOT a pink fluffy bunny snake.

[RMorgan]

which is why one of its titles is the Foundation. It is in the Astral that thought-forms are fed and gain in energy and substance until they are physically manifested in Malkuth. Therefore, the Astral Plane is the Foundation for the Physical Plane. Yesod is the mysterious, [B]shadowy realm of the Moon where magickal energy is stored and drawn upon.

Hey Vivek,

I was wondering here...If my beliefs are correct, and these life forms, the scuttlers, arrived here infiltrated in the first human spaceships during the begining of the space exploration programs, it makes me think about what was the real reason behind the moon landings...

What if, this central quantum AI system, is up there, in the moon, and the real purpose behind the first space missions was to check it out?

What if the masterminds behind the space exploration programs already knew, based on hidden ancient knowledge, that there was something up there, and the spaceships wouldn´t return alone?

Maybe this whole space exploration program was part of their trans-humanist agenda since the begining, to finally establish a direct connection, an integration, between whatever is up there in the moon and us?

Who knows...Maybe the whole moon is a freaking quantum computer, or at least one hub, out of many that might be spread around the galaxy...Pretty much like the tree of life, or a network.

Raf.

[Calz]

Oh come on. NOT a pink fluffy bunny snake.

My bad ...


http://dedicatedtothemysterysurroundingthe2tsunamidogs.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/scary-snakes-18693405-928-558.jpg

[Mark]

The current direction of the thread in relation to the topic at hand is building a deeper and more complex understanding of the nature of ultra-dimensional control matrices. It should be clear to all at this point that the problem is more than the foreign installation, that that is just one, relatively low level of infiltration that works in tandem with higher level forms of command and control that include the very nature of our world, both material and physical. The references to alchemy, to the moon, to saturn, to the mind, to the heart, to the tree of life, all imply that the human body itself is the battleground in this war for the souls of humanity.

Since this is so, all of the information gleaned by looking at the different videos, by visiting the different websites, builds to a body of knowledge that in fact rewires the brain, engages synapses, interrconnects neurons, creating a more intricate and interconnected neural net that - even if the information is totally understood or not at present - will lead, inevitably and irretrievably to a different state of mind and being within those who peruse this information. Our individual experiences and thoughts about these issues only reinforce the importance of backing up those thoughts with some hard evidence, or, an historical and esoteric background that further deepens the understanding, further solidifies the connections between neurons.

As far as the mind and creating a more informed neural network is concerned, intellect is one of the primary ways through which the foreign installation AND these higher matrices of command and control infiltrate us and maintain their control in seemingly subliminal manners. As we entertain thoughts about these issues the abstract concepts and higher esoteric realities are engaged, we are co-creating and reinforcing symbols and archetypes that are ancient in conception, giving them power. By being aware of the 8th Sphere, by being aware of the exact nature of the spheres of the tree of life - separate from the 8th Sphere mentioned previously - we are invoking them. Thought is energy, thought in motion builds e-motion, which, in its highest iteration is the power we command in order to manifest in materiality.

Observe the movement of concepts. Observe also the thoughts you hold in relation to these concepts. Pay particular attention to the random ruminations that either confirm or deny these concepts. Note the internal voice in opposition to or support of these concepts. By this, I mean the little voice that you consider to be your voice, the one that speaks in the syntax you're used to, that comes up with little commentary, that has already built deeply ingrained neural pathways within your brain because of habitual and constant use. In this way you become familiar with the flow of your own thoughts, the patterns of your own mental processes and where those patterns take you. By becoming familiar with them you are able to determine which of these thought patterns serve you and which do not serve you. Which of these patterns are toward your highest potentiality and which of these patterns are toward your lowest potentiality.

It is not an easy task to maintain this level of concentration. To observe the thought process. It is, in essence, a meditative process. Shamatha meditation from the East teaches the practitioner to concentrate upon the breath, put your attention onto the rise of your chest, the in-breath and the out-breath, feeling the bodily sensations. By doing so, the discursive process, the thought process, eventually stills. But before that point arrives, many meditative practitioners get impatient because they are overcome by the flood of thoughts that seem to demand attention whenever one attempts to quiet the mind. This impatience results in them giving up altogether on meditation or claiming that it does not work, that it causes them to think more instead of less and this is true, at first. For those intent upon recognizing external input into your internal realm of sovereignty, the mind, this time of inner confusion is the beginning of the mapping out of your inner landscape. Where you can become familiar with what lies directly beneath the skullcap, the thoughts and emotions that are roiling there continuously.

This process must be engaged. Each must go through it for themselves just in order to get to that which lies beneath. It cannot be bypassed. No one else can do it for you. The information, the knowledge that we consume so eagerly is, in this case, more of a distraction in that it takes you away from the understanding that you have to go beyond all of that. It is good to know and perhaps necessary to know but what that knowledge is really for is to emphasize to you in no uncertain terms that it must be transcended, the work must be done in order to move beneath the knowledge and confront the personal and constructed thought patterns and infiltrations that are there specifically to keep you from going deeper. By making you think that this is the depths. That knowing this stuff is the goal. That by knowing it, you have succeeded, transcended, achieved enlightenment, stilled the mind.

This is a trap. What you, we, seek is beneath and beyond it all. There is no substitute for doing the work. Knowing Thyself.

[Jeffrey]

which is why one of its titles is the Foundation. It is in the Astral that thought-forms are fed and gain in energy and substance until they are physically manifested in Malkuth. Therefore, the Astral Plane is the Foundation for the Physical Plane. Yesod is the mysterious, shadowy realm of the Moon where magickal energy is stored and drawn upon.

Hey Vivek,

I was wondering here...If my beliefs are correct, and these life forms, the scuttlers, arrived here infiltrated in the first human spaceships during the begining of the space exploration programs, it makes me think about what was the real reason behind the moon landings...

What if, this central quantum AI system, is up there, in the moon, and the real purpose behind the first space missions was to check it out?

What if the masterminds behind the space exploration programs already knew, based on hidden ancient knowledge, that there was something up there, and the spaceships wouldn´t return alone?

Maybe this whole space exploration program was part of their trans-humanist agenda since the begining, to finally establish a direct connection, an integration, between whatever is up there in the moon and us?

Who knows...Maybe the whole moon is a freaking quantum computer, or at least one hub, out of many that might be spread around the galaxy...Pretty much like the tree of life, or a network.

Raf.

Not only does this remind me of what Icke (moon matrix), Mouravieff, Gurdjieff say (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_hyperdimensions07.htm), but also what Barbara Marciniak channeled (yikes that word). I usually wouldn't quote such sources, but the correlations are there.

From Barbara Marciniak:




The sun and the moon are the luminaries within your system by which you are most profoundly influenced and affected. The sun generates its own light. The sun, in turn, illuminates the moon.

[B]The moon is a sub-satellite of the sun, orbiting as a computer around Earth, built and maintained by many generations of gods. Heavenly bodies are constructed in the shapes of asteroids, moons, and planets, and it is through these luminaries that rays of intelligence, radio waves, and gamma rays are transmitted from star to sun and sent to Earth.

The moon is a satellite that was constructed. It was built and anchored outside Earth's atmosphere as a mediating and monitoring device, a supercomputer or eye in the sky.

It affects all life forms on this planet, beyond what you can currently grasp. In your history, there are references to two moons around Earth. You don't hear of this often, but there are those who know.

Earth must be owned by those who dwell here; however, it is not. You have outside gods, creator energies, who prevent you, as a species, from having free rein with your kundalini.

The influence of the moon, as a main satellite computer, affects all of Earth. At this time, powerful cosmic rays are crossing space as photonic waves and being transduced through Uranus, Neptune, and other forces.

This is creating an overloaded circuitry around the control that has kept you from understanding that you, as human beings, must take stewardship of your planet.

Why are you locked into a prescribed formula of time that is irrelevant in every other place? What is the significance of twelve in this marking and dividing process? Who would you be without this? These are the questions we wish you to ponder. The answers have, of course, to do with control of your life span and kundalini. You see, in the ideal, your life span would be much longer than it is, and your society would honor the process of gathering wisdom through experience.

In the ideal, the kundalini experience at forty, in a society structured and nurtured to bring it about, would create the maturation of the individual. Right now, you consider yourself to come into maturation at the age of twenty-one.

Please be aware that you experience numerous cycles of energy that come through the body to teach you new vistas of maturation. Awareness of this process is key to your development. It challenges you to continually take on more responsibility, and not to feel burdened by it.

There have been many, many battles over the moon. Parts of the moon are owned, and parts are utilized.

There is a plan to gradually insert different programs of influence on Earth when the moon becomes occupied by forces that would assist you in your growth, rather than limit you.

The moon's programs have, for eons, been of great limitation toward human beings.

Source: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/pleyades/tierra/tierra_eng.htm


Really gets the creative juices flowin'!

ADD/UPDATE:

Earth may have once had two moons:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/08/110803-earth-two-moons-collision-space-science/

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2086608,00.html

[Calz]

I expect this is way out of line and has been posted many times and is understood by all ...

... but is there not ancient texts from multiple peoples that remember a time *BEFORE* the moon arrived???

... thus adding a wrinkle to that which has been posted recently>>>

[Hervé]

Amzer Zo needs to post his Big Head Information here. I seen it in another post and it applies here as well. The psychic frustration of attempting to describe what is only vaguely collectable by them is a central ia multidimensional computer with tentacles influencing all, and even wrapping the earth.

[...]

Well, all right, here it is (from this thread: Camelot disclosure from Kerry (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51640-Camelot-disclosure-from-Kerry)):


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[...]


The trail of the Octopus, also known as the Shadow Government can be detected by following the money.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=19081&d=1352025621&thumb=1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=19081&d=1352025621)


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=19084&d=1352026034&thumb=1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=19084&d=1352026034)



Most people are led to mistakenly believe that "the arms of the octopus" are just a metaphorical way of describing the ever increasing control of... "something."

Well, there IS a REALITY to it:



Apparently this kind of entity has remained unobserved for a very, very long time:



Franz Erdl on Bigheads


http://educate-yourself.org/cn/erdlbigheads14jun12.shtml
June 14, 2012 . E-Y posted Sep. 25, 2012


http://www.psitalent.de/Englisch/Bighead2.htm


Perhaps they might also be known under a different name. I have no idea. I had a lot experiences with Bigheads in the last two weeks and I would like to tell you about them.

First, I don't know to this day whether all Bigheads are soulless. I tend to believe that they are. Perhaps they have deceived us at previous meetings and feigned a soul. Or there may be some with a soul and others without, a biological robot version, as it were, like some small grays. The answers are still open.

Second, I do not know whether they all have the same body shape. The shape of the head seems to be at least very similar. It may be that there are some with bodies which have arms and legs (sometimes even more than two arms). Others have energy sucking, hose-like tentacles.

Third, I've discovered a portal in the body of a Bighead. Logic tells me that they all probably have one and that they can send stolen energies into another dimension, for example.

I have put up a picture here that a friend had drawn for me. It should not stop you from seeing them in a different way. This is how I saw one, but I am not a certified psychic.


https://qy9cnq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pF222kTTVCf0N7lyvc03W_P7Kf24sNAD2spE22rjVa0R3BL15b3aIzf5H4eXn0coW-Of5l5wBl7al-zIoL8y5BgYcTXJU9Uz4/Big%20Head%2003.jpg?psid=1


Important aspects of the picture:


-the big head with a small face,






-the portal in the body,


-and the energy tubes for manipulation and energy-sucking.

They manipulate and suck energy from men and women (in this image, only women are shown), as well as animals and perhaps even other spirits.

What the image fairly represents is that Bigheads can handle people much like marionettes. They manipulate, change feelings, create misunderstandings, create narratives, provoke events, etc. And they do it completely unnoticed. Bigheads are also very difficult to detect, like the snakes we have written about. Perhaps it's because they have no soul. If you, as a psychic or a healer, want to find them, it's good to know how they act.


Here are some examples:


Undermining a spiritual project
A group of people has a spiritual project that they would like to undertake, but the Dark Side beings wish to interfere and stop it. So a Bighead pushes himself quietly and unnoticed over the project, including all those involved and those which might have an influence on the project like the members of the project, their spouses, all their enemies, competitors, suppliers, etc. . These people can be geographically dispersed, but in the Ethereal, they are close because they are subject related and connected. The Bighead sits astrally above about them and connects a power hose to everybody involved.


And then the show begins, or better said, nothing happens. The project does not move forward. They only encounter expenses, but no results: The competition is causing trouble, the enemies perform black magic, the spouse is constantly looking for a dispute, etc.. This is a very typical Bighead manipulation.


(I am just remembering how many free energy projects have gone nowhere...)


Monitoring gifted people (psychics)
Bigheads can be used to control specially gifted people. Their skills and abilities can be blocked. That will make them feel depressed or aggressive; the family does not understand them; they try therapies that do not really work. In such a case, the family, as well as all the doctors and therapists involved, have been tapped and manipulated by the Bighead. Wherever the gifted person goes, nobody can really help him. I suppose that the skills of these people are either sucked or remotely accessed, or used for dark purposes via mind control. In the latter case, those who are involved as handlers or programmers are also controlled by the Bighead.


Supplying upper echelon NWO people with life energy
So where do you think they get their energy from? Of course, from powerful women (perhaps not exclusively). Poor women! They may be sick, without power, in any case they won't feel good. This group of Illuminati or Freemasons I could perceive, performed black magic rituals every now and then against their female victims, which delivered new energy to them.


The Bighead takes care of the transfer of energy to the men, but this Illuminati were probably also very heavily manipulated by the Bighead. I noticed this when I removed the Bighead of the whole group, victims and perpetrators. There was something like a deep breath, a relief, or even a joyful feeling between those top managers. I had never expected something like that. The further development of this story is yet to be seen.


How to discover Bigheads and what can I do against them?
I use my soul channel for healing and the power of decision of my solar plexus, to destroy soulless beings or astral machines, because you cannot heal them. Certainly other methods can be used. I rarely see them.


I discover the Bigheads mostly through conjecture. When I suspect there could be one, then I ask my soul, whether that's true and I get the answer as an energy reaction or accordingly, no reaction. If I get a positive response, I take away all power sucking hoses by pronouncing this intention. It is useful to find out who else is tapped.


Good luck!
Franz Erdl



Comments
Subject: Franz Erdl on Bigheads
From: Claude
Date: Thu, September 27, 2012
To: Ken Adachi


Hi Ken,


[...]


Anyway, I wanted to tell you about an incident that occurred back in August of this year.


I don't want to reveal specific names and locations of those concerned out of respect for their privacy, so I will explain what I can without real names.


My friend, I'll call him Fred Stubborn, is the son of a now deceased native hereditary chief here in Canada. His family is well known, so I cannot give details away that could easily identify his family.


From anecdotes related to me by the Stubborns and other family acquaintances, the Stubborns have had a number of difficulties in terms of crazy patterns of unexpected turmoil that deeply upset their three currently living generations.


I am deeply touched that Fred kindly allowed me to spend time away from the city and place a trailer on his large property, where I can spend time close to nature, and appreciate the connection.


He has also imparted me with much of the old native wisdom and knowledge of the interconnectedness of the entire living body that is Earth.


I was wondering one day why his family had suffered so many tragedies and upsets, and the spirit of Fred's mother approached my wife and touched her on the shoulder. My wife mostly senses entities from an emotional/empathic standpoint. She can often sense and see them, but it is I who can hear them and communicate directly with them. We complement each other well.


At that moment, she told me that someone was there and needed to be heard. When this happens I usually ask who they are, and what their purpose is.


So, I asked her who she was, and she told me that she was Fred's mother, and that she was here to ask me for help. I asked her what she wanted help with, and at that moment we both (my wife and I) felt was must have been at least a few generations of this family present.


She told me that what they needed was a shaman. I was quite surprised, because I do not consider myself a medicine man, shaman, or other terms used for that. I asked her what made her think that I could be of help, and she said to me that I was the first one to ever hear them.


So, I entered my meditative state and very quickly found an entity that looked very much like what Franz showed a picture of, though I perceived it as a large, black, octopus-like creature with an over-sized head. It appeared to me to be sitting on top of a portal, and its tentacles were reaching out to all the members of the Stubborn family, both alive and deceased.


When it became aware that I was tracking it, it actually tried to seize me or attach to me with a tentacle.


It was not a conscious decision on my part, more an instant reaction, but I used spider medicine: started winding a long thread of light tightly around the body of the critter, slowly choking it off from its tentacles, which made it release its grip on all the souls.


When I started winding, I called unto he who is known as Michael for assistance, someone you could say I have a bit of a working relationship with.


I kept winding tighter and tighter and tighter, until I commanded it to leave this plane. At that moment, it seemed to slide into the portal and disappear, leaving no portal behind.


Almost immediately, my wife and I both felt a massive lightening feeling around us, the entire property and the Stubborns themselves, that persisted for the rest of our vacation, and since.


All seems quiet now to this day with this family, six weeks on.


It was a strange occurrence, but I had almost entirely forgotten about it when I read the Bigheads article yesterday.


Thank you for this article Franz, now we have a better idea of what it is I was dealing with.


Does anyone know what these entities have been called, historically? I'd be curious to know, myself. I also wonder if their 'controllers' still have as much power here, since I dispatched it so easily.


My wife and I both felt it important to share this info, as others may find it useful.
Thanks Ken, keep up the great work, your site continues to live up to its name.


Claude


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Subject: Canadian Reader Confirms Bigheads Manipulative Influence
From: John (Netherlands)
Date: Fri, September 28, 2012
To: Ken Adachi


Hello Ken,


Exceptional information. I do believe there are so many of these situations where a family is under this kind of influence and for sure it's happening to me. And a lot more.


greetings
John


The Netherlands



Whatever name one gives that "thing," whether it is thought-form, golem, tulpa, postulate or eggregore; it is an entity with a life of its own created to regulate the life and activity of a family/ bloodline/ group/ business/ corporation/ society/ religion/ etc... and best described by Steve Richards in the line of the shamanic traditon as "everything IS alive" and "all life forms are seeking survival within its own dimension of time":



Today, I believe our world is being controlled by another dimension that has entrapped the spirit of man into its game; and when you enter the game of another, you are governed by the laws of that game, by the creator of that game.



Randy: Yea. Steve, you mentioned how in the terms of this festival you had gone to, to the elders of the community. It sounds like there are key linkages or key people that line up in terms of authority or being able to give permission in this area. How would you identify those people? Obviously here you have, what, a tribal council? So you’ve gone to the tribal council, they, in effect, have authority over this event and over the people who will or won’t enter into it.

Steve: Okay. If I decide to form a company, and I got together with two or three other people, their intent and their ego will create the entity at the structure of that company. That entity, once created, a body of intent of all three of that company, of their intent and their ego, will always be part of the entity that creates that company. It’ll never change.

When you go into community, they organized this festival. Therefore, they were the creator of this festival. Therefore, I’m entering the game of someone else’s creation. Therefore, I need the creator of that creation’s permission to activate that dimension. You can’t invade the space of another without authority, because the moment you enter the game of another, you violate lore. The moment you violate lore by entering into the game of another, it can be taken over by whatever’s in that game. This is why this is so important for people not to be playing around with other dimensions. There’s so many people that think they know what they’re doing and they have no idea what they’re doing.
... it all comes down to the INTENT behind the creation:




Steve: Okay, okay. One of the interesting things I look at here is you’ve got to understand how homeopathy works and osteopathic frequencies work. And, you know equal force against equal forces become null and void. Interesting. So, I look at this, Aboriginal culture says, ‘everything is alive.’ So, I had a woman that comes into me from Chile. Doesn’t speak good English. Her daughter said, “my mum can’t sleep, she’s on two lots of sleeping tablets and can’t sleep.” I said, ‘well that makes sense, she’s got two separate entities in there, they both need to keep her awake before she feeds them.’ Everything’s alive.

So what happens is for these drugs to be created they’ve got to have an intent behind their creation. The first is the law of intent and the law of agreement. So what is the intent in the creation of that drug and what’s its intent? It now becomes a life‐form that needs to survive like anything else. Therefore, an anti‐depressant means it has to keep you depressed so you’ll feed it. And when you feed it, it will make you no longer depressed. It's got it’s food source, thank you very much. Another life‐form taking over the vehicle. Stunned.

Miranda: Wow. I had a question for you Steve. I actually just got an email from somebody who’s familiar with your work. And it reminded me to ask this, do you have, the people that you work with, do they sometimes feel a lot of interference or resistance or get a lot of attacks prior to coming to you because the entities know, sort of, that their end is near and try to keep the people away from achieving this healing solution?

Steve: Okay, well there’s two‐fold question you’ve got there. And I’ll go into two parts of it. First off, the moment you, whether becoming aware of it or not, the moment you want to make changes, and you want to be clear of whatever’s affecting you, just that intent is put out for these beings that are aware. And the moment that takes place, you’re going to come under attack. And the attack’s going to come from the closest people to you sometimes: you mother, your father, your brother, your sister, your husband, you wife, your friends, your neighbor – whoever they can get access to.

Steve: By telling your Spirit, ‘this is my vehicle, Spirit don’t let anything in this vehicle, I do not invite anything in, do not let anything in the space of this vehicle.’ By laying out that, speaking to it, this is your field. Between you and your Spirit made that agreement, ‘thank you, nothing’s allowed in, if it gets in, it’s going to get dealt with.’ You may already have a lot of stuff in there, in other dimensions, in separate dimensions. There’re probably many layers of dimensions within you that’s let things in from the past. But when you stop feeding these things, it’s interesting, when you become aware and you want to make changes, and you decide to stop feeding these beings, then they’re not going to obtain energy. If they’re not going to obtain energy, they’re not going to get fed, they’ll have to starve, or find somewhere else to go to get fed. So eventually, they’re not going to hang around, are they?
... and it doesn't matter how many trillion of years ago a group or secret society was created... it's still alive and seeking survival through recruiting individuals "resonating" sympathetically to the intent behind the creation of that group or society...

Makes one wonder about how many people confuse such multi-tentacles "Vishnus" with their spirit guides or "higher selves?"

Interview with Steve Richards:

Download MP3 Audio Dreamtime Healing: Ancient Aboriginal Modalities with Steve Richards-Part 1 (http://www.divshare.com/direct/18152999-ed7.mp3)(right click, "Save as")
Full Transcript -Dreamtime Healing-Hour 1-PDF (http://www.divshare.com/direct/18378351-441.pdf) (right click, "Save as")

Download MP3 Audio Dreamtime Healing: Ancient Aboriginal Modalities with Steve Richards-Part 2 (http://www.divshare.com/direct/18153032-794.mp3)(right click, "Save as")
Full Transcript -Dreamtime Healing-Hour 2-PDF (http://www.divshare.com/direct/18378353-77a.pdf) (right click, "Save as")

[Hervé]

Oooopsss... sorry, double posting... my IE9 acting up again!

[Hervé]

As a follow up to the above from another thread:



http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.pngWell, since Paul's gone over the bend here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54816-Are-Some-Multinational-Corporations-Benevolent&p=623722&viewfull=1#post623722)... :)



There is something very misunderstood about corporations or companies, manufacturing plants, communities, leagues, associations, lodges, clubs, groups, cliques, etc... and that is that they are founded by a number of individuals agreeing on a common dream, vision, purpose, goal, etc...

And that's where the crux of the matter resides: it's being given life, first in the dream/astral/mental world, then being made to land in the 3D/physical reality as a birth/inauguration ceremony. [Ever wondered about these ceremonies of laying in the "foundation/first/corner" stone of templar/masonic lodges, churches, government buildings, etc...?]

In other word: it's become ALIVE!

Now, switching to the Aboriginal point of view of a Steve Richards:


EVERYTHING IS ALIVE!


... through an example he gave in his interview with Randy Maugans:



Steve: Okay, okay. One of the interesting things I look at here is you’ve got to understand how homeopathy works and osteopathic frequencies work. And, you know equal force against equal forces become null and void. Interesting. So, I look at this, Aboriginal culture says, ‘everything is alive.’ So, I had a woman that comes into me from Chile. Doesn’t speak good English. Her daughter said, “my mum can’t sleep, she’s on two lots of sleeping tablets and can’t sleep.” I said, ‘well that makes sense, she’s got two separate entities in there, they both need to keep her awake before she feeds them.’ Everything’s alive.

So what happens is for these drugs to be created they’ve got to have an intent behind their creation. The first is the law of intent and [, the second,] the law of agreement. So what is the intent in the creation of that drug and what’s its intent? It now becomes a life-form that needs to survive like anything else. Therefore, an anti-depressant means it has to keep you depressed so you’ll feed it. And when you feed it, it will make you no longer depressed. It got it’s food source, thank you very much. Another life-form taking over the vehicle. Stunned.

Everything’s alive. And that’s where we go back to the drugs. When these drugs are created there’s an intent in the creation of those drugs, and they’re alive. They need to survive like everything else. Because, they are... they are atoms with memory stored in them. But what I’ve found is when you hit something where there’s equal force, [it] crumbles: null and void.

Quite often on the table, I’ll say to people, whoa, whoa, stop. Get out of that, that’s your head-space. Whoa, hang on, that’s your soul, I acknowledge that, get out of the soul, be in the Spirit. And, other times, lots of life-forms come out and they try to justify why they should exist. The drugs are really good. They often state that they’re spiritually aware, it’s a life form trying to justify its existence in the being.

That's the mystery... these corporations are LIVE entities!

Being live entities they cannot help but conjure whatever it takes to stay alive and survive as growing LIVE ENTITIES. Outsourcing to wit

And that's the difference between "us" and TPTB: they know what they are doing... we don't.

They know what they are doing because they know what a thought form is and start their lodges with an eggregore/thought form. They know that, that thought form/eggregore/tulpa/golem has a life/mind of its own and they know what it's gona do to survive and stay alive as well as what to do to direct/steer it.

So... Rockefeller's big pharma... imagine the fractalian repetition of staying alive from the scale of the corporation and its board of directors down to the pill one takes...

Reeling yet?

Then it gets compounded when the size of corporations allows for the inevitable rise of psychopaths into their upper hierarchy as described in that "Twilight of the Psychopath (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/barrretttwilightofpsychopaths21aug08.shtml)" paper...

Accordingly, if "we" want to win, "we" better know what we are fighting against!

The guys who founded the "US of A" knew what they were doing in that respect: they dreamt of a very big entity/eggregore and fed it as much as they could for generations to come.

That entity they dreamt of and gave life to is the real WHITE HAT!

Me think it's time to acknowledge it?http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png

[modwiz]

My sense of the 8th sphere is that it is outside of the tree of life. It is a sanctuary for that which has a counter plan. Archontic influence has its home here. That being one of others.

As Rahkyt wisely counsels, not getting lost in shiny new ideas is important. The phrase is in getting lost or sidetracked. There are many rich paths off of the main road. However, the main road is where we can gather our collective strength. Explore, but do not go too far and get lost. This is said so that we can observe ourselves. Our inquisitiveness can be used against us. As usual, it is all about balance and not inhibition.

[ulli]

The guys who founded the "US of A" knew what they were doing in that respect: they dreamt of a very big entity/eggregore and fed it as much as they could for generations to come.


There is just one more factor to remember...
the competition factor.

The corporate world is a world at war...many fronts, many battles.

CEOs can get fired and replaced if they don't keep their shareholders happy.

They war not only against us, the great unwashed....
but against competing companies, too.

[Freed Fox]

This process must be engaged. Each must go through it for themselves just in order to get to that which lies beneath. It cannot be bypassed. No one else can do it for you. The information, the knowledge that we consume so eagerly is, in this case, more of a distraction in that it takes you away from the understanding that you have to go beyond all of that. It is good to know and perhaps necessary to know but what that knowledge is really for is to emphasize to you in no uncertain terms that it must be transcended, the work must be done in order to move beneath the knowledge and confront the personal and constructed thought patterns and infiltrations that are there specifically to keep you from going deeper. By making you think that this is the depths. That knowing this stuff is the goal. That by knowing it, you have succeeded, transcended, achieved enlightenment, stilled the mind.

This is a trap. What you, we, seek is beneath and beyond it all. There is no substitute for doing the work. Knowing Thyself.

Rahkyt, I just wanted to comment briefly about this post, which I find brilliant btw. I entirely agree with your emphasis on the importance of our internal work, that of 'knowing thyself'. It very likely is the most important and crucial pursuit, one in which I try to keep progressing. However, is it truly and categorically a distraction, to pursue this information regarding the external? Can we not undertake both in tandem?


Today, I believe our world is being controlled by another dimension that has entrapped the spirit of man into its game; and when you enter the game of another, you are governed by the laws of that game, by the creator of that game.

[...]

...when you become aware and you want to make changes, and you decide to stop feeding these beings, then they’re not going to obtain energy. If they’re not going to obtain energy, they’re not going to get fed, they’ll have to starve, or find somewhere else to go to get fed. So eventually, they’re not going to hang around, are they?


If these quotes above are truthful, it may be very constructive to our inner realms to better understand outside influences, along with their nature and origins. Again, this is not to contend the notion that this CAN be distracting if one is leaving oneself unchecked.

[modwiz]

As a follow up to the above from another thread:



http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.pngWell, since Paul's gone over the bend here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54816-Are-Some-Multinational-Corporations-Benevolent&p=623722&viewfull=1#post623722)... :)



There is something very misunderstood about corporations or companies, manufacturing plants, communities, leagues, associations, lodges, clubs, groups, cliques, etc... and that is that they are founded by a number of individuals agreeing on a common dream, vision, purpose, goal, etc...

And that's where the crux of the matter resides: it's being given life, first in the dream/astral/mental world, then being made to land in the 3D/physical reality as a birth/inauguration ceremony. [Ever wondered about these ceremonies of laying in the "foundation/first/corner" stone of templar/masonic lodges, churches, government buildings, etc...?]

In other word: it's become ALIVE!

Now, switching to the Aboriginal point of view of a Steve Richards:


EVERYTHING IS ALIVE!


... through an example he gave in his interview with Randy Maugans:



Steve: Okay, okay. One of the interesting things I look at here is you’ve got to understand how homeopathy works and osteopathic frequencies work. And, you know equal force against equal forces become null and void. Interesting. So, I look at this, Aboriginal culture says, ‘everything is alive.’ So, I had a woman that comes into me from Chile. Doesn’t speak good English. Her daughter said, “my mum can’t sleep, she’s on two lots of sleeping tablets and can’t sleep.” I said, ‘well that makes sense, she’s got two separate entities in there, they both need to keep her awake before she feeds them.’ Everything’s alive.

So what happens is for these drugs to be created they’ve got to have an intent behind their creation. The first is the law of intent and [, the second,] the law of agreement. So what is the intent in the creation of that drug and what’s its intent? It now becomes a life-form that needs to survive like anything else. Therefore, an anti-depressant means it has to keep you depressed so you’ll feed it. And when you feed it, it will make you no longer depressed. It got it’s food source, thank you very much. Another life-form taking over the vehicle. Stunned.

Everything’s alive. And that’s where we go back to the drugs. When these drugs are created there’s an intent in the creation of those drugs, and they’re alive. They need to survive like everything else. Because, they are... they are atoms with memory stored in them. But what I’ve found is when you hit something where there’s equal force, [it] crumbles: null and void.

Quite often on the table, I’ll say to people, whoa, whoa, stop. Get out of that, that’s your head-space. Whoa, hang on, that’s your soul, I acknowledge that, get out of the soul, be in the Spirit. And, other times, lots of life-forms come out and they try to justify why they should exist. The drugs are really good. They often state that they’re spiritually aware, it’s a life form trying to justify its existence in the being.

That's the mystery... these corporations are LIVE entities!

Being live entities they cannot help but conjure whatever it takes to stay alive and survive as growing LIVE ENTITIES. Outsourcing to wit

And that's the difference between "us" and TPTB: they know what they are doing... we don't.

They know what they are doing because they know what a thought form is and start their lodges with an eggregore/thought form. They know that, that thought form/eggregore/tulpa/golem has a life/mind of its own and they know what it's gona do to survive and stay alive as well as what to do to direct/steer it.

So... Rockefeller's big pharma... imagine the fractalian repetition of staying alive from the scale of the corporation and its board of directors down to the pill one takes...

Reeling yet?

Then it gets compounded when the size of corporations allows for the inevitable rise of psychopaths into their upper hierarchy as described in that "Twilight of the Psychopath (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/barrretttwilightofpsychopaths21aug08.shtml)" paper...

Accordingly, if "we" want to win, "we" better know what we are fighting against!

The guys who founded the "US of A" knew what they were doing in that respect: they dreamt of a very big entity/eggregore and fed it as much as they could for generations to come.

That entity they dreamt of and gave life to is the real WHITE HAT!

Me think it's time to acknowledge it?http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png


Very excellent post in many ways. The life aspect of it is given by the life forms that make a corporation up. It is interesting to watch how these 'bodies' become infected with parasites once a certain threshold of vitality is reached. Some modern corporations start out as parasites. The tech bubble at the end of the last century was a big instance of just that. Facebook has always been parasitic.

Another point to be made here, and a dirty word for many is hierarchy. The importance of certain ones whose duty it is to hold a vision and marshal resources to facilitate development and sustenance. I have said it before and will say it again. The golden ages had golden leaders. When one entertains what a sovereign embodies in the grail sense, it is seen as a duty and repository for the, let me use the word, zeitgeist of an idea, people, country, etc.

[PurpleLama]

Any time minds come together, something comes out of it, the country, the corporation, threads and forums, folks mostly don't see the mental environment and the forms it spawns. It speeds up, the more that people agree to something, and it isn't always what you seem to agree to, often isn't if someone involved knows what they're doing. Thoughts are independent of the thinker, and with the right energy or enough energy they can take a form for good or ill.

[Kiforall]

Can somebody tell me if The Bowen Technique performed by an ex grand master of a local lodge (Freemasons) could have some negative implication relating to this Big head entity ??

[Mark]

My sense of the 8th sphere is that it is outside of the tree of life. It is a sanctuary for that which has a counter plan. Archontic influence has its home here. That being one of others.

Yes, Modwiz, thank you for that clarification. I recognized after I wrote it and reread that my mention of the 8th sphere and the tree of life one after the other might be misinterpreted. But, you give me the space here to add a bit more:

The information is important. This information, again, allows us to cultivate a mindset that leads to the desire to go deeper. When I use desire in this instance, I mean the intention augmented by emotion to crash through all of the layers in order to get to the core. At a certain point, the knowledge gathered, the understanding of the esoteric realities and hierarchical structure compounds, creating new potentialities for understandings. It's like a chaotic system that all of a sudden becomes fractalized and ordered because the disparate linkages find interconnections that then fire together because they are now wired together, giving us access to higher order information that seems to come out of nowhere but is really just a synthesis of everything learned previously.

The aspect I want to touch on a bit more is the e-motion side of it. How the knowledge of esoteric and biological conjunctions order thought that is then commented on individually in the state of discursiveness. It is important to understand that emotions come from our thoughts. That the seemingly sterile and bland information that has no inherent emotional content jogs our neural nets which interconnect memories and ideas that seemingly have no connection. So, thinking about an 8th sphere can resurrect thoughts about demons, which may lead to zombies, which may lead to monsanto, which may lead to resident evil, which leads to blood and gore and pain and danger that may then lead to a hypothalamus trigger which then sends a cascade of fear neuropeptides into the body, causing us to physically react to an idea/concept. This process may happen so fast that we are not even aware of the intricate connections we've just made while learning the information and so we may remain confused as to why we all of a sudden have certain feelings that come up in regards to something stated that we previously have had no knowledge of.

It is in the context of this release of emotion that the control matrices, from the foreign installation to the higher orders of command and control can gain access to and infiltrate the thought process. The discursiveness program attached to fear begins. The discursiveness program attached to whatever programming we have each individually cultivated surrounding fear initiates. This cascades into all of the other interconnected emotional and thought complexes which can leave us reeling, all of a sudden dazed and confused, feeling drained because we are being drained right then and there as a result of the loosh production factory having been geared up extra-dimensoinally. The process at this particular stage of our education has resulted in a feeding frenzy that we had no intention of initiating but that we did by triggering ingrained patterns of thought processing that led to an emotional release.

This is why I emphasized, without going into the reasons why deeply enough, that delving beneath the information itself - as well as that which contains and processes the information - and examining the thought processes we engage in while attending to that knowledge is paramount. This is the way that we see the actually modality of our infiltration. How exactly "their" mind talks to us with "our" voice in "our" head, that begins the cascade leading to energy consumption. Wheedling, derisive, dismissive, angry, sarcastic. Programs. External in nature. Designed to elicit energy from us.

So I reemphasize. The information is good. The information is necessary. Good and necessary to the extent that it reiterates the importance of controlling the mind.

Once this process is begun and the thoughts become ordered and a strict regimen of self-examination and observation becomes automatic it becomes easier to process information without identifying with that information. Because it is in the identification that we become attached. It is becoming attached that leads to emotional dependency. And that dependency leads to a loss of personal sovereignty.

it is my opinion that the higher forms of command and control stemming from the saturn ai and the moon are larger, general patterns of thought and behavior. That they place us within matrices of control that are aggregative in nature and that direct mass emotional states which are exacerbated in individuals who have a greater susceptibility to whichever particular form of control one - and the group is being inundated by. Someone mentioned the moon and psychos earlier, how the freaks come out at night and on the full moon in particular. Everyone who is keyed into emotional expression is affected, but those who have unrestrained emotional bodies, who have had no idea at all that either the thoughts or the emotions can be controlled, are the ones who are most susceptible to acting out when the stimuli from the external sources reaches its full force. It was also stated previously that OPs, group-souled in nature, are more susceptible than the souled. But since most of those who are ensouled have cultivated personality traits that allow them to hide within the OP personality construct the allowance of emotional compromise is something that they agreed to at an early stage of their lives in order to deal with the nature of society and the portals surrounding and attacking them every day. For them, the choice not to succumb to emotional compromise is a choice they can make once they become aware that they even have a choice in the matter at all.

[another bob]

The current direction of the thread in relation to the topic at hand is building a deeper and more complex understanding of the nature of ultra-dimensional control matrices. It should be clear to all at this point that the problem is more than the foreign installation, that that is just one, relatively low level of infiltration that works in tandem with higher level forms of command and control that include the very nature of our world, both material and physical. The references to alchemy, to the moon, to saturn, to the mind, to the heart, to the tree of life, all imply that the human body itself is the battleground in this war for the souls of humanity.

Since this is so, all of the information gleaned by looking at the different videos, by visiting the different websites, builds to a body of knowledge that in fact rewires the brain, engages synapses, interrconnects neurons, creating a more intricate and interconnected neural net that - even if the information is totally understood or not at present - will lead, inevitably and irretrievably to a different state of mind and being within those who peruse this information. Our individual experiences and thoughts about these issues only reinforce the importance of backing up those thoughts with some hard evidence, or, an historical and esoteric background that further deepens the understanding, further solidifies the connections between neurons.

As far as the mind and creating a more informed neural network is concerned, intellect is one of the primary ways through which the foreign installation AND these higher matrices of command and control infiltrate us and maintain their control in seemingly subliminal manners. As we entertain thoughts about these issues the abstract concepts and higher esoteric realities are engaged, we are co-creating and reinforcing symbols and archetypes that are ancient in conception, giving them power. By being aware of the 8th Sphere, by being aware of the exact nature of the other spheres of the tree of life we are invoking them. Thought is energy, thought in motion builds e-motion, which, in its highest iteration is the power we command in order to manifest in materiality.

Observe the movement of concepts. Observe also the thoughts you hold in relation to these concepts. Pay particular attention to the random ruminations that either confirm or deny these concepts. Note the internal voice in opposition to or support of these concepts. By this, I mean the little voice that you consider to be your voice, the one that speaks in the syntax you're used to, that comes up with little commentary, that has already built deeply ingrained neural pathways within your brain because of habitual and constant use. In this way you become familiar with the flow of your own thoughts, the patterns of your own mental processes and where those patterns take you. By becoming familiar with them you are able to determine which of these thought patterns serve you and which do not serve you. Which of these patterns are toward your highest potentiality and which of these patterns are toward your lowest potentiality.

It is not an easy task to maintain this level of concentration. To observe the thought process. It is, in essence, a meditative process. Shamatha meditation from the East teaches the practitioner to concentrate upon the breath, put your attention onto the rise of your chest, the in-breath and the out-breath, feeling the bodily sensations. By doing so, the discursive process, the thought process, eventually stills. But before that point arrives, many meditative practitioners get impatient because they are overcome by the flood of thoughts that seem to demand attention whenever one attempts to quiet the mind. This impatience results in them giving up altogether on meditation or claiming that it does not work, that it causes them to think more instead of less and this is true, at first. For those intent upon recognizing external input into your internal realm of sovereignty, the mind, this time of inner confusion is the beginning of the mapping out of your inner landscape. Where you can become familiar with what lies directly beneath the skullcap, the thoughts and emotions that are roiling there continuously.

This process must be engaged. Each must go through it for themselves just in order to get to that which lies beneath. It cannot be bypassed. No one else can do it for you. The information, the knowledge that we consume so eagerly is, in this case, more of a distraction in that it takes you away from the understanding that you have to go beyond all of that. It is good to know and perhaps necessary to know but what that knowledge is really for is to emphasize to you in no uncertain terms that it must be transcended, the work must be done in order to move beneath the knowledge and confront the personal and constructed thought patterns and infiltrations that are there specifically to keep you from going deeper. By making you think that this is the depths. That knowing this stuff is the goal. That by knowing it, you have succeeded, transcended, achieved enlightenment, stilled the mind.

This is a trap. What you, we, seek is beneath and beyond it all. There is no substitute for doing the work. Knowing Thyself.

Amazing, Brother!

I have been off-line today, since I had other matters to attend to, but while I was sitting in my Urologist's office, I was composing a post in my thoughts that I felt needed to be shared with the group here. Imagine my surprise when I opened up this thread and found the essence of that very post I had been contemplating sharing! Thank you for saving me the effort!


:yo:

Oh, and one more item, in regard to the so-called 8th sphere, folks interested may want to take a look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Consciousnesses

[PurpleLama]

Imagine my surprise when I opened up this thread and found the essence of that very post I had been contemplating sharing!

I swear that has happened at least fifty times, to me, in the last week.

[modwiz]

My sense of the 8th sphere is that it is outside of the tree of life. It is a sanctuary for that which has a counter plan. Archontic influence has its home here. That being one of others.

Yes, Modwiz, thank you for that clarification. I recognized after I wrote it and reread that my mention of the 8th sphere and the tree of life one after the other might be misinterpreted. But, you give me the space here to add a bit more:

The information is important. This information, again, allows us to cultivate a mindset that leads to the desire to go deeper. When I use desire in this instance, I mean the intention augmented by emotion to crash through all of the layers in order to get to the core. At a certain point, the knowledge gathered, the understanding of the esoteric realities and hierarchical structure compounds, creating new potentialities for understandings. It's like a chaotic system that all of a sudden becomes fractalized and ordered because the disparate linkages find interconnections that then fire together because they are now wired together, giving us access to higher order information that seems to come out of nowhere but is really just a synthesis of everything learned previously.

The aspect I want to touch on a bit more is the e-motion side of it. How the knowledge of esoteric and biological conjunctions orders thought that is then commented on individually in the state of discursiveness. It is important to understand that emotions come from our thoughts. That the seemingly sterile and bland information that has no inherent emotional content jogs our neural nets which interconnect memories and ideas that seemingly have no connection. So, thinking about an 8th sphere can resurrect thoughts about demons, which may lead to zombies, which may lead to monsanto, which may lead to resident evil, which may lead to a hypothalamus trigger which then sends a cascade of fear neuropeptides into the body, causing us to physically react to an idea/concept. This process may happen so fast that we are not even aware of the intricate connections we've just made while learning the information and so we may remain confused as to why we all of a sudden have certain feelings that come up in regards to something stated that we previously have had no knowledge of.

It is in the context of this release of emotion that the control matrices, from the foreign installation to the higher orders of command and control can gain access to and infiltrate the thought process. The discursiveness program attached to fear begins. The discursiveness program attached to whatever programming we have each individually cultivated surrounding fear initiates. This cascades into all of the other interconnected emotional and thought complexes which can leave us reeling, all of a sudden dazed and confused, feeling drained, because the loosh production factory has been geared up and the process at this particular stage of our education has resulted in a feeding frenzy that we had no intention of initiated but that we did by triggering ingrained patterns of thought processing that led to an emotional release.

This is why I emphasized, without going into deeply enough, that the process of going beneath the information and examining the thought processes we engage in while attending to that knowledge is paramount. This is the way that we see the actually modality of our infiltration. How exactly "their" mind talks to us with "our" voice in "our" head, that begins the cascade leading to energy consumption. So I reemphasize. The information is good. The information is necessary. Good and necessary to the extent that they reiterate the importance of controlling the mind.

Once this process is begun and the thoughts become ordered and a strict regimen of self-examination and observation becomes automatic it becomes easier to process information without identifying with that information. Because it is in the identification that we become attached. It is becoming attached that leads to emotional dependency. And that dependency leads to a loss of personal sovereignty.

it is my opinion that the higher forms of command and control stemming from the saturn ai and the moon are larger, general patterns of thought and behavior. That they place us within matrices of control that are aggregative in nature and that direct mass emotional states which are exacerbated in individuals who have a greater susceptibility to whichever particular form of control one - and the group is being inundated by. Someone mentioned the moon and psychos earlier, how the freaks come out at night and on the full moon in particular. Everyone who is keyed into emotional expression is affected, but those who have unrestrained emotional bodies, who have had no idea at all that either the thoughts or the emotions can be controlled, are the ones who are most susceptible to acting out when the stimuli from the external sources reaches its full force. It was also stated previously that OPs, group-souled in nature, are more susceptible than the souled. But since most of those who are ensouled have cultivated personality constructs that allow them to hide within the OP personality construct the allowance of emotional compromise is something that they agreed to at an early stage of their lives. For them, the choice not to succumb to emotional compromise is a choice they can make once they become aware that they even have a choice in the matter at all.

My comment that the 8th sphere lies outside the 'tree of life' had a metaphorical connotation as well. You seem to be addressing this. Keeping ourselves focused is important.

[9eagle9]

The tree of life basically represents our mental, emotional, and spiritual workings as they are expressed on their path on the physical realms. We'e noticed their are some multidimenstional underpinnings and pathways below the obvious surface of TTOL. Hod is the 8th sphere on the tree of life as it pertains to the physical. It's not 'the' multi dimensional eighth sphere that we were talking about upstairs (further upthread). However it is avoidable on the left hand and right hand path . As noted earlier two paths are represented by the tree and they turn into each other. In either path you cannot help but step on HOD, however HOD is the stage setter the portal opener accesses and lends influence from the 'Eighth' sphere. This is not direct route or portal but a circuitous one.

It's cipher again.The only way to avoid agreement with the 'eighth' sphere is to at some point make the choice to get on the path of balance. Which is probably unavoidable if one thinks in terms of many lives we've more than likely been on the right and left hand path and could not avoid. On one hand that gives one the experience of the Eighth sphere and all that that implies and one hopes that the balance path one uses that knowledge of experience.

Like in tarot the sephirah's of the Tree of Life have values that are negative, positive, and reversed. Any value has the possibility of having these conditions. The Eight Hod bears values of not only intellect and thought but also submission--submission or sacrifice of one's original thought. Once we give that up we soon find ourselves portalized and subjected to the influence of the multidimensional 8th sphere. I was only sorta joking when I said that is where the GFL parks its space ship at.

[donk]

Dang, been missing the boat on all this. I was hoping a quick question could be addressed, regarding thought form entities, as described by many, but I cherry pick PL:


Thoughts are independent of the thinker, and with the right energy or enough energy they can take a form for good or ill

Can the form they take have a consciousness (make decisions) of their own?

Forgive me if that is a silly idea or already addressed, i was trying to work this out for myself on a different thread...I'll catch up on this one some day!! Thanks

[9eagle9]

Yep they sure can. Usually decisions that you don't much care for when you look back on them in hindsight.


Dang, been missing the boat on all this. I was hoping a quick question could be addressed, regarding thought form entities, as described by many, but I cherry pick PL:


Thoughts are independent of the thinker, and with the right energy or enough energy they can take a form for good or ill

Can the form they take have a consciousness (make decisions) of their own?

Forgive me if that is a silly idea or already addressed, i was trying to work this out for myself on a different thread...I'll catch up on this one some day!! Thanks

[donk]

So it's not even a chicken or egg type of thing, eh?

It's that cut and dry, thought forms--wholly created from a conscious being, can (does?) obtain a consciousness?

Apologies, I really want to make sense of this...

Because to me, assuming that idea were true, it is the most important one, ever. It is the big 'un, hidden from us...and used by others in order to enslave us, no?

And every "problem" that exists should be taken from that perspective, that a thought form has become cancerous, and we need to identify it in order to remove.

So the reason we're in the s***ty state we're in as species is that we are applying chemo and radiation to the condition, rather than even bothering to look for a cure.

Dang I gotta run, sorry if the added thoughts are a little disjointed or unclear, really wanted to get them down...catch y'all in a bit...

[9eagle9]

Do you mean the sort of Bowen Technique that is used in healing? Negative implications for the entity as far as loosening it's grip? Or that the practice of Bowen could invite influence from a Big Head Construct?


Can somebody tell me if The Bowen Technique performed by an ex grand master of a local lodge (Freemasons) could have some negative implication relating to this Big head entity ??

[PurpleLama]

So it's not even a chicken or egg type of thing, eh?

It's that cut and dry, thought forms--wholly created from a conscious being, can (does?) obtain a consciousness?

Apologies, I really want to make sense of this...

Thoughts are independent. Everything you think existed before you thunk it, for the most part. Especially what relates to daily things.

[another bob]

Dang, been missing the boat on all this. I was hoping a quick question could be addressed, regarding thought form entities, as described by many, but I cherry pick PL:


Thoughts are independent of the thinker, and with the right energy or enough energy they can take a form for good or ill

Can the form they take have a consciousness (make decisions) of their own?

Forgive me if that is a silly idea or already addressed, i was trying to work this out for myself on a different thread...I'll catch up on this one some day!! Thanks

Well, one way to consider the matter is: you yourself are a thought, a thought in the mind of Source, and you seem to make decisions. The inquiry can go deeper, in fact. For example, are you the one who makes the decisions, or are they more like the outcome of various interdependently ocurring causes and conditions, and there is actually no concrete "you" involved, except as a kind of expedient but essentially imaginary organizing principle?

[Kiforall]

Do you mean the sort of Bowen Technique that is used in healing? Negative implications for the entity as far as loosening it's grip? Or that the practice of Bowen could invite influence from a Big Head Construct?


Can somebody tell me if The Bowen Technique performed by an ex grand master of a local lodge (Freemasons) could have some negative implication relating to this Big head entity ??

Sorry I wasn't very clear.Could the healing technique of Bowen performed by a freemason be used to attatch the influence of a bighead construct onto a family unit ?

Thanks Zoe

[Hervé]

So it's not even a chicken or egg type of thing, eh?

It's that cut and dry, thought forms--wholly created from a conscious being, can (does?) obtain a consciousness?

[...]

If you check "Tulpa" with your favorite search engine, you may run into this one from Wikipedia:


The term is used in the works of Alexandra David-Néel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_David-N%C3%A9el), who claimed to have created a tulpa in the image of a jolly Friar Tuck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friar_Tuck)-like monk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monk) which later developed a life of its own and had to be destroyed.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa#cite_note-5)

[9eagle9]

Not on it's own no. The Bowen Technique isn't too far off from Reiki, for an individual a process of clearing would have to be initiated. For a family things would, realistically, get a lot more complex. There's a lot of levels there that neither Bowen nor Reiki would address. I personally think if one were looking for a solution to a community problem look at the Holographic Kinetics . The author of that goes into the aspects of 'community possession'.



Do you mean the sort of Bowen Technique that is used in healing? Negative implications for the entity as far as loosening it's grip? Or that the practice of Bowen could invite influence from a Big Head Construct?


Can somebody tell me if The Bowen Technique performed by an ex grand master of a local lodge (Freemasons) could have some negative implication relating to this Big head entity ??

Sorry I wasn't very clear.Could the healing technique of Bowen performed by a freemason be used to attatch the influence of a bighead construct onto a family unit ?

Thanks Zoe

[Gardener]

Mauravieff calls this process self remembering and constatation, which is not easy to do, to first remember to do it, then to just simply observe without judging or emotional identification.

Rahkyt----->Once this process is begun and the thoughts become ordered and a strict regimen of self-examination and observation becomes automatic it becomes easier to process information without identifying with that information. Because it is in the identification that we become attached. It is becoming attached that leads to emotional dependency. And that dependency leads to a loss of personal sovereignty.

[Mark]

Mauravieff calls this process self remembering and constatation, which is not easy to do, to first remember to do it, then to just simply observe without judging or emotional identification.

Rahkyt----->Once this process is begun and the thoughts become ordered and a strict regimen of self-examination and observation becomes automatic it becomes easier to process information without identifying with that information. Because it is in the identification that we become attached. It is becoming attached that leads to emotional dependency. And that dependency leads to a loss of personal sovereignty.

It takes time, yes. I'm not fully there myself. Work in progress like everybody else. Being in a space when it can occur more often than not though gives one a perspective wherein it is possible to know what is probable and what the parameters of total freedom might look like. It also opens up the space within where the ability to examine the thoughts and the emotions that spring from them engage at a point prior to expression. To consider before speaking or acting. To being able to almost immediately diffuse emotional states. Breathing, clearing the mind, focusing.

As Bob, Greybeard and Jenci are wont to say, and I paraphrase here liberally, letting go of everything and just existing in the Now.

When considering the status of humanity as one race of many in the Galaxy, I can't help but think that this is grade-school stuff. I mentioned this previously as well. Emotional maturity. Spiritual responsibility. In indigenous cultures around the world, people who are little more than small children go through adulthood initiation rites that expose them to extra-dimensional entities, other worlds, pain and suffering at a level that we in the West find unbelievable. And yet these rites are necessary in order for these children to become adults. As civilization has continued to spread inexorably across the world, many of these tribal groups have been forced to stop these practices or carry them out in secret. We all here know why.

A friend recently said to me in pm that we are now within the 'in-breath' period of our societal and global evolution. In the context of large-scale cycles, that corresponds to the fact that along the spiral above and beyond certain astronomical and esoteric median indicators we have now begun the upswing of what was a 12,500 year downswing in the Precession of the Equinoxes. "Light" is now in the ascendancy. What this means is that there is still work to do, "Dark" is still strong. But that the potentiality to master the self for each of us who truly means to do so is easier now than at any point in the last 12,500 years. And it will continue to get easier as time goes by.

But we still each have to commit to the work.

[donk]

Heard that Friar Tuck story AZ, and thank AB & PL for the response, so now I pose this:

Could Friar Tuck "know himself"?

Is there a difference between the thought form that we are & the ones we create?

Except this is to PL, if I understand you correctly, does that mean we're delusional to say we have any creative force? Or is our creative force limited to "will", and maybe which thoughts we choose to manifest?

[sllim11]

20206here's a spider



Hey folks,

And...How about this, to illustrate an omniscient quantum Central AI system, which can connect and manipulate people´s minds through multi-dimensional data-collecting organisms?

http://www.republicdomain.com/photos/bulkupload//wallpapers78/One-Dollar-Pyramid-Seal.JPG

Raf.

[Dorjezigzag]

It is no surprise to me that the focus has moved to spiders.

Although by the time I get round to posting this it has probably moved on to something else
( and indeed it has)

Spiders have been my obsession for the last couple of weeks .

I have started to re-attend a special center that I attended in the summer and had some pretty profound experiences . Anyway during my meditations in the summer I had experiences with various celestials, the highlight being a choir of angels, recently it has been quite different

Anyway on several occasions spiders have come in to my meditations, they have been the central theme. They have been of two types, I felt that both were studying me, curios, I did not feel that they were evil, they just were.

Anyway on the second occasion I brought it up to the lady who had been applying a Tibetan singing bowl to my heart chakra and she informed me that in the Celtic tradition that she had trained in spiders are seen as guardians of the underworld. I jokingly said were they guarding it against me but she said no.

It was interesting that in the summer my experiences were of angels associated with heaven and now the experience is spiders and the underworld- one could say hell.

Often the mind and intellect is associated with the qualities of heaven and the body and emotions associated with hell, but we need to go beyond good and evil.

Any way I have spent the last week obsessed with spiders and have been researching about them all week. Of course their body shape forms the number 8, they have 8 legs and 8 eyes. The number 8 is associated with infinity. They spin webs are weavers of reality and in countless myths they the architects of our world. Usually depicted as feminine Spiders are weavers.They symbolize fate, , creative energy, wisdom, creativity, new life, divine inspiration, starting a project, being both industrious and patient.

But let us not forget they are hunters and you really do not want to be the prey of a spider because first the spider will bite the prey, but they will not kill it, they then wrap it in silk, wait for it to die, then begin to eat. As a first step in eating, the spider will literally vomit digestive fluid over the prey. Then the prey is chewed with the "jaws" (chelicerae), and the fluid is sucked back into the mouth together with some liquefied "meat" from the prey. The spider repeats this process as often as necessary to digest, and ingest, all but the inedible hard parts. What is discarded afterwards is a small ball of residue.
Does this not make you think of the batteries in the matrix, which interestingly have spiders all over them.

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Anyway there is so much more I could say but so little time, but in a break from my research on spiders this week I was just checking the news on the bbc and on the main page it featured a story about spiders.


A rare species of spider which lives in darkness has been found in the vaults of Highgate Cemetery in north London, a wildlife trust has said.
The orb weaver spider Meta bourneti was found in the vaults of the Egyptian Avenue of the cemetery in Islington.
Experts said this was the first time the species, which measures more than 30mm, had been recorded in London.
Up to 100 spiders were found in the vault and they may have been thriving undetected for 150 years, experts said.
The spider species require total darkness, even at night, and the sealed vaults which had remained closed for years were the ideal dwelling for them.
Some of the tombs where the spider was discovered date back to the 1830s.
Philosopher Karl Marx, poet Christina Rossetti and novelist George Eliot are buried in the cemetery.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21107807

Where was this story occurring, only right on my doorstep, I literally look over this graveyard from my window. The interesting thing the first spider I saw in my meditation looked exactly like the one in the picture. Another synchronicity to confirm the relevance of my exploration.

This is the spider
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/65395000/jpg/_65395227_spider-cemetery_pa.jpg

This is Egyptian avenue in Highgate cemetery where the spider was found
http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/14/28/142870_2b197e04.jpg


I do not have a TV but had to house sit for a few days at somewhere that had a TV. I randomly put it on and what 8 legged creatures kept on rearing its face? I watched an episode of Merlin, featuring spiders in a cave, the matrix was on, starship troopers, again and again spiders were featured.

So it seems to be a spider can represent the freedom of creativity, self expression, the ability to move as you will and create your own universe.

But be a victim of a spider and you will experience the opposite, entangled in a web, then paralysed by a poisonous bite you will then be bound by the very fibres that you could have used to express your freedom and eventually becoming fuel to another creative force.
Makes me think of this quote from Aldous Huxley


The negative visionary finds himself associated with a body
that seems to grow progressively more dense, more tightly packed…
many of the punishments described in the various accounts of hell
are punishments of pressure and constriction.
*Aldous Huxley, Heaven and Hell*


Some further random spider associated things to chew on, or perhaps regurgitate and suck on;)

http://www.yogadork.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/patanjalis8limbs-alison-hinks-yogadork.jpg


The Web in Physics
...Plasma naturally forms filaments in response to electric and magnetic fields. The charged particles are guided by the magnetic fields and accelerated by the electric fields. The filaments may ‘pinch’ (or converge) magnetically to form stars. Stuart Clark reported in the New Scientist journal that astronomers have now detected a ‘universal web’. Vast filaments of hot gas tracing the web of dark matter that underpins the large-scale structure of the Universe have been seen. Astronomers using NASA’s X-ray satellite observatory, Chandra, viewed the filaments stretching for millions of light years through space, with one passing through our own galaxy. They calculate that the filaments contain five times more mass than all the stars in the Universe.
According to Robert Britt, studies show that both ordinary and dark matter work in concert to build delicate filaments in space, with dense junctions where galaxies cluster. The resulting structures, he says, look something like spider webs. Klaus Dolag and colleagues report that, based on computer simulations of magnetic fields in galaxy clusters, galaxy clusters are embedded in large-scale spider-web-like structure of filaments...
Astronomers say that the filamentary structures are so hot that it would generally be invisible to optical, infrared, and radio telescopes. In other words, they are by definition, dark matter. The filaments are detected only because higher density matter tends to accumulate and condense in these filaments. Radiation from this high density matter around the nearly invisible cosmic filaments has been measured by scientists to confirm the existence of these filaments in intergalactic space

http://www.dapla.org/meridian.htm

When talking of spiders one must mention shelob from Lord of the Rings whose lair lay in Cirith Ungol ("the pass of the spider") leading into Mordor. Tolkein was of course bitten by a tarantula as a child which made a big impression on him

[another bob]

Is there a difference between the thought form that we are & the ones we create?

Is there a difference between you and Source?

In one respect, it seems to come down to a subjective interpretation on perception, but what happens when interpretations cease, in the "stillness"? When we no longer are resorting to memory, thought, sensation, emotion, or perception to define what we are?

[Hervé]

Heard that Friar Tuck story AZ, and thank AB & PL for the response, so now I pose this:

Could Friar Tuck "know himself"?

Is there a difference between the thought form that we are & the ones we create?

[...]

Not very much difference since we created those "in our own image" and gave them "our mind" which is "their" mind... reeling yet?

I read Alexandra's adventures in the text, way back, and what I recall of it is that dear Tuck went from obedient and dutiful servant to a very rebellious and conniving one, which she couldn't control anymore, in a very short order.

Very similar to the "Greys" and their attitude towards the Mantids and Dracos as recounted by Simon Parkes.

[RUSirius]

It would be great to add to this humbling conversation in a way that would enlighten all and assist in this "process". Thanks Rahkyt for the "mastery of verbal explanations" which is a super understatement, it helps tremendously! What I can say is this, being one has followed multiple threads, that have seemingly, seamlessly transitioned to what appears to be...well lets just say something with quite a bit of momentum that at least, I, have not seen before, maybe others have. I have also seen "new" momentum in my personal life, amidst some pretty challenging circumstances I think its more than mere coincidence, that what I am witnessing in my life is similar to what I witness here with all of you, and I have noticed.

[D-Day]

Someone here mentioned 'thought forms' ealrier, I thought it might be a good idea to explore that concept in more depth.

I feel it is an important topic, one that fits nicely within the scope and context of this thread.

It is true that our thoughts can become 'thought forms', which in turrn can grow to become self-aware/conscious life forms in their own right. These thought-forms- turned-life-forms then have the capacity to influence and/or manipulate us, if left unchecked.

I personally like Steve Richards' (creator of Holographic Kinetics) take on this, here are some relevant quotes from him on the subject...


Whatever man can perceive in his mind can be bought into reality.


Under LORE man is responsible for his thought, word, deed and action; and what ever we choose to create in our reality, we must take responsibility for, and therefore, experience that creation upon ourself through that dimension of time, until it enfolds back onto itself--360 Degrees--for its completion.


Every thought is created, in its own dimension of time, that can be for a second, an hour, days or years, once we hold on to a creation it needs to grow for its survival, now every time we react we feed it and it expands, as an internal life form, the reactors trap more internalized energy, only when we let go of what we are holding on to, can that creation contract back to point zero.


All varying ideas of mind are registered in separate states of motion, which consist of numerous dimensions. Man's created universe of mind is a universe of dimensions; man's dimensional universe can entrap other dimensions, and can be entrapped by other dimensions. Within the created universe, the weaker force will always succumb to the more powerful force.

While universal kinetic energy is free to enter and free to flow, so are all diseases, thoughts and emotions--as it freely enters, it freely flows. Only when imbalance occurs, does potential energy occur, and then illness occurs. Whatever healing may take to be accomplished, the effect will not permanently cease, until the original cause has been removed.


All that spirit create's by the act of intent, and then consciuosly agreed upon is set into creation as a life form, and the spirit's past, plus our present will equal our future as all life forms are seeking survival within its own dimension of time.

The time of a dimension can be for a second, a minute, an hour, a day, a year, 50 years, 100 years 1000 years 50,000 years or over a million years—time represents a cycle from its beginning to its end; it is only a dimension of time. The length of that dimension of time is up to you; let go of the issue and you release it, hang on to it and you feed a life form that starts to grow with you as its host. That created life form, when fed enough, grows--collecting millions of electrons within its form. And as it grows, it becomes conscious of its consciousness and grows into a new form, known as an “internally created entity”.

Once created as an internally-created entity, it can now surface at will and you have no control over your action, but you will feed it more with your reactions. Eventually, it can take over totally, especially if you drink alcohol or are on drugs. These can also be found and removed with Dreamtime Healing using Holographic Kinetics.



I have found that eighty percent of people, at least, are being manipulated by other forces, and that dimensions are endless; they are all around us, some are sleeping or dormant, but could be awokened at any time. When a dimension is awoken from its sleep, which could be thousands of years later, it becomes active and continues growing where it left off, just as if that trauma, or event, had occurred only five minutes ago.


Today, I believe our world is being controlled by another dimension that has entrapped the spirit of man into its game; and when you enter the game of another, you are governed by the laws of that game, by the creator of that game. The spirit of man chose a new game--in the body of molecular, mortal man. When the spirit entered, he was born into amnesia and forgot who he really was, and now the external control came into play. This is where entrapment through manipulation at the highest level was first created, way back in time; it started with initiations and rituals--which were man's free will into their game.


To fully understand holographic kinetics we have to step outside of the mainstream "way of thinking" and look at the body holistically, so that we can understand man as a multidimensional being in a multidimensional world with invisible parts, such as Meridians, Chakras, Aura, Spirit and Soul, as well as visible parts such as the physical body and all its organs. All thoughts are invisible. They, in turn, trap invisible energy and transform it into potential energy, then this potential energy crystallizes into the stress points of the body in its own separate dimension of time.

Under universal law, like attracts like, and therefore that created thought or emotion, which is trapped, seeks its own frequency for its survival. And it starts to repeats the same cycle, time and time again, as the past and the present set up the cycles of the furure. This then manifests into the visible as effect, in the form of pain, anxiety, depression, stress, fear, anger, guilt, sexual problems, self punishment, confusion or any number of other ways.

Nothing ever occurs by chance, or as a random occurence, every single action or effect has an underline cause--there are no exceptions to this ever!! If this were not the case, the entire universe would collapse instantly into a state of utter chaos.

Kinetic energy, is free-flowing and constant energy, until captured, then it takes on form as it flows through to the holographic, cellular level; on all dimensions within and around us, it can become trapped as potential energy, as we create balances and imbalances. If an imbalance occurs, then one of the three bodie's vibrations becomes "out of harmony" with the others, vibrating against each other, in time, creating destruction an effect--the law of "cause and effect", sometimes known as "causation'. The principle of cause and effect is, and always has been, widely accepted throughout the ages a most exalted universal law, and one to be totally respected.


All matter consists of light; all matter is growing; all matter is evolving; and all matter is living.

Light solidifies into crystal formation of matter--all crystallization is within itself a dimension; it is the first appearance of form. When the thinking mind of man creates a universe of imbalance through his intent or thoughts, he captures the free-flowing kinetic energy into potential energy, creating a crystal.

Source: http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html

Just a little food for thought... pun intended ;)

[Freed Fox]

But let us not forget they are hunters and you really do not want to be the prey of a spider because first the spider will bite the prey, but hey will not kill it, they then wrap it in silk, wait for it to die, then begin to eat. As a first step in eating, the spider will literally vomit digestive fluid over the prey. Then the prey is chewed with the "jaws" (chelicerae), and the fluid is sucked back into the mouth together with some liquefied "meat" from the prey. The spider repeats this process as often as necessary to digest, and ingest, all but the inedible hard parts. What is discarded afterwards is a small ball of residue.

Exactly what I had in mind when I cited them as a living representation of evil. Along with the complex beauty of their webs which belies the mortal danger they pose. Great post by the way.

FWIW, RUSirius; I have noticed this too. Though, I'm trying to strike the appropriate balance between complacency and critical thinking, so as not to fight the momentum.

[RUSirius]

But let us not forget they are hunters and you really do not want to be the prey of a spider because first the spider will bite the prey, but hey will not kill it, they then wrap it in silk, wait for it to die, then begin to eat. As a first step in eating, the spider will literally vomit digestive fluid over the prey. Then the prey is chewed with the "jaws" (chelicerae), and the fluid is sucked back into the mouth together with some liquefied "meat" from the prey. The spider repeats this process as often as necessary to digest, and ingest, all but the inedible hard parts. What is discarded afterwards is a small ball of residue.

I'm trying to strike the appropriate balance between complacency and critical thinking.

absolutely! Great point!

p.s. G'night, til'tomorrow

[SilentFeathers]

The Hopi believe everything in the universe is connected together by something that resembles a spiders web. (strands/webs) Reminds me of the string theory idea.

They also believe Grandmother Spider Woman molded the first man and woman on Earth from clay (they were twins). She created humans to keep the world in order, so far we're doing a great job huh?

Added: I forgot to mention, when you pluck a spiders web and watch the whole thing move, the Hopi say the universe works the same way to some extent. Such as if two bodies collide in our solar system the vibration of the collision vibrates the web that connects everything in the universe, thus the whole universe feels the collision. (They may be referring to just our galaxy, not sure)

Also, most NA tribes believe in "Spider Woman", believed by many tribes to be either the (female) creator of the universe and lives at it's center or creator of life on Earth. Everything is connected to her by her web.....strange that the creation legend of most NA tribes involves a spider huh?

[T Smith]

A right mind that spirit is capable of working through..... and then the left mind. Spirit won't work through there. Spirit is not insane. It will not inhabit an insane mind and empower it to do even greater acts of insanity.



Yet this is exactly the objective. The raison d'être of the parasite to hijack spirit, to commandeer it, to assimilate (or attempt to assimilate) its essence in left mind, to achieve that what it lacks. Spirit refuses to work through predatory energy, yet is quite easily captured by it. Once captured, predatory energy demands spirit. Therein lies the quandary, the stalemate, the paradox.

[9eagle9]

I'm sorry I didn't respond to the most relevant part of your post, typing against the clock to hit my shift on time.
While I pretty much stand by what I say about energy work not really being a comprehensive way to address attachments, a healer who is very dense, done no self healing, and is carrying a lot of filters will give negative effects. If they have attachments the attachment may jump. Unfortunately healers more often heal from a sense of self gratification or lack wounds so are magnets for those who have the same issues and this sets up a very tetchy situation of passing infections. Particularly in the back area where so much of our emotional expression is fanned out at .

It is very much up to the healer and what they are carrying. Unfortunately most that come to be healed don't know this....



Do you mean the sort of Bowen Technique that is used in healing? Negative implications for the entity as far as loosening it's grip? Or that the practice of Bowen could invite influence from a Big Head Construct?


Can somebody tell me if The Bowen Technique performed by an ex grand master of a local lodge (Freemasons) could have some negative implication relating to this Big head entity ??

Sorry I wasn't very clear.Could the healing technique of Bowen performed by a freemason be used to attatch the influence of a bighead construct onto a family unit ?

Thanks Zoe

[another bob]

The Hopi believe everything in the universe is connected together by something that resembles a spiders web. (strands/webs) Reminds me of the string theory idea.

Along the same lines of a positive or transcendental vision of the web meme, consider Indra's Net:

http://www.heartspace.org/misc/IndraNet.html

[Gardener]

Does anyone think this technology is honing in and making its conection via the assemblage point?

Huge resistance to posting this question so quick send

[9eagle9]

Yes, in my experiences past and present, I'm attacked as much as I have ever been. I used to get my arse beat by it but ...I learned how to dodge bullets. Attack doesn't always mean triumph. I can tell they are attacking but that doesn't mean I'm affected by it. I've been attacked in directly, by people who are suddenly prompted by their mind while minding my own business as the gas station, attacked psychically, in my sleep, approached while lucid dreaming, in mediation, had some weird alien thing come into one of my group channels and when I asked the participants to please not engage with it someone just had to reach out their hand to it, had my rooms in the house tore apart the dressers turned over. When that happened someone said, Oh my God you were psychically attacked and I said, Yes well however you see it ....But I'm not my dresser.

I have action figure that is physical representation of me. It's a lure. Wherever that doll is that is where the attack may be directed. The times I've had my dresser drawers turned over....the doll was under the dresser.

Attack doesn't always mean you are affected. I'm used to being attacked. The fact they are attacking doesn't mean I am affected by it. If I am a little that is usually a lot in my book.

At the beginning of this thread I noted that intuitive people always sensed envy around me. Not my own envy because its not and has never been in my nature to be envious of others. We never could figure out where this envy come from. It's usually caused by competition and that is circumstance that is caused most often by perception rather than out right competing. I finally realized it was 'their' mind. It's envious of us, of me of you, of all of us whether its directing us or we are moving under our own violition.

Silent Feathers recently noted my energy was weird feeling. I agreed. In order not to further stir conflict I didn't say.
'DUDE! If you were under 24 hour attack your energy would be weird too!! "

But i'll say it now...lol. But there's other reasons my energy is weird....and I accept that.

[SilentFeathers]

I feel that you are a bit more in your element (or groove) in this thread :)

[9eagle9]

A corporation is an inhabited construct in a certain sense. With the understanding everything has life, not necessarily consciousness or awareness, a corporation on paper has very little life. It's just a series of articles arranged by UCC law.

What inhabits the construct (corporation) would be the energy of people. What sort of energy are people putting into the construct? As the construct grows larger it gets harder to manage so more people need to put their energy in the construct. The construct seems to take on a life of its own because its getting larger than the people managing. Then outside influences like other constructs begin to influence it (frex: stock market). Corporations typically are managed by parasitical people who seek to profit or gain from others.

A Corporation that merely seeks to support its is usually something called a non profit. A non profit can become parasitical.

Could a corporation take on an AI, I think they do already. Any parasite is an artificial or non-original construct. Corporations are just duplicates of each other, they are all basically made the same way. It's an idea put onto paper in the articles of corporation where there it remains one dimensional until someone begins to put their energy into it.

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We've done a good job of keeping the hive mind out.

bzzzzzzzzt.

...then the spiders came in and the pink fluffy snake ...



I feel that you are a bit more in your element (or groove) in this thread :)

[Hervé]

Does anyone think this technology is honing in and making its conection via the assemblage point?

Huge resistance to posting this question so quick send

Good site to check out: http://www.whale.to/b/ap.html about the assemblage point.

A quote from it:

"Everything you think and everything you feel depends on the position of the Assemblage Point."--Don Juan (http://www.whale.to/a/don_juan_q.html)

[T Smith]

Good God. I'm finally caught up. And mentally winded.

[Jeffrey]

This is interdasting... This CARET deal has apparently been debunked but these pictures caught my eye along with the excerpts ... prototypal?


http://www.whale.to/b/DroneCaretImageLegs.jpg

http://www.whale.to/b/DroneCaret2CurvedI_Beams.jpg

I put the word Language in quotes because calling what I am about to describe a “language” is a misnomer, although it is an easy mistake to make.

Their hardware wasn’t operated in quite the same way as ours. In our technology, even today, we have a combination of hardware and software running almost everything on the planet. Software is more abstract than hardware, but ultimately it needs hardware to run it. In other words, there’s no way to write a computer program on a piece of paper, set that piece of paper on a table or something, and expect it to actually do something. The most powerful code in the world still doesn’t actually do anything until a piece of hardware interprets it and translates its commands into actions.

But their technology is different. It really did operate like the magical piece of paper sitting on a table, in a manner of speaking. They had something akin to a language, that could quite literally execute itself, at least in the presence of a very specific type of field. The language, a term I am still using very loosely, is a system of symbols (which does admittedly very much resemble a written language) along with geometric forms and patterns that fit together to form diagrams that are themselves functional. Once they are drawn, so to speak, on a suitable surface made of a suitable material and in the presence of a certain type of field, they immediately begin performing the desired tasks. It really did seem like magic to us, even after we began to understand the principles behind it.

[...]

So back to the language. The language is actually a "functional blueprint". The forms of the shapes, symbols and arrangements thereof is itself functional. What makes it all especially difficult to grasp is that every element of each "diagram" is dependant on and related to every other element, which means no single detail can be created, removed or modified independently. Humans like written language because each element of the language can be understood on its own, and from this, complex expressions can be built. However, their "language" is entirely context-sensitive [...] Our entire system of language is based on the idea of assigning meaning to symbols. Their technology, however, somehow merges the symbol and the meaning, so a subjective audience is not needed. You can put whatever meaning you want on the symbols, but their behavior and functionality will not change, any more than a transistor will function differently if you give it another name.

Source: http://www.whale.to/b/drones.html

[PurpleLama]

Except this is to PL, if I understand you correctly, does that mean we're delusional to say we have any creative force? Or is our creative force limited to "will", and maybe which thoughts we choose to manifest?

Creative energy and will are two different aspects of your being, each separate from the other and from the realm of mental activity. We do build an identity initially from the thoughts we were "taught" as a child, then we go on to have ideas of our "own" when we progressively become independent, and those we especially agree with become beliefs, these become like programs running in the background while "you" are doing other things in the screen, to use and analogy that everyone here can appreciate. Think of the idea of resonance, that those thoughts you've taken as your own, those attract others similar to themselves, "thinking along the same lines".

Original thought is possible, not likely, for when one appreciates that the subtle structure of mental energy is nearly indestructible in and of itself, in order to be truly original we would have to think of something that's never been thought before (on the planet, in the solar system, galaxy, universe). It's *all* been thought before. Not to mention how limited our access is to the discrete mental realms from the current state of being, as compares to other "higher" modes of expression that exist beyond the ken of human experience.

Frex, the purple "smiley" featured on my profile page, described early on in Fred's dream thread, is something I have a direct experience of, abstractly, and am hard pressed to say anything coherent as to the nature of it because of the limited capacity for mental analysis that currently exists. Only because of that experience, which did not contain much in the way of a coherent thought, am I able to remember it, and I can access it in a limited way and direct some portion of it, but not to the extent that another person could experience it like I do.

Thoughts themselves can become so habitual as to be nearly instinctive, to the point that many daily thoughts pass just below the level of cognition, such may be perpetually unobserved unless as an individual effort we take the stance of aggressively tracking and attending our own mind, to see where they all come from and where they all lead. It's a difficult process to start, but no endeavor is more fruitful, IMO.

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I might also point out that a thought about will, is not will. A thought about creativity is not creativity. To what extent does this mental symbol juggling actually go in between you and what you would experience?

[donk]

To what extent does this mental symbol juggling actually go in between you and what you would experience?

A lot, apparently :p

...but these last two posts (yours and 9E9) have done a lot in alleviating my need to juggle so much. Just trying to understand, ya know? I appreciate the time you all took in helping me, thanks!

[SilentFeathers]

A corporation is an inhabited construct in a certain sense. With the understanding everything has life, not necessarily consciousness or awareness, a corporation on paper has very little life. It's just a series of articles arranged by UCC law.

What inhabits the construct (corporation) would be the energy of people. What sort of energy are people putting into the construct? As the construct grows larger it gets harder to manage so more people need to put their energy in the construct. The construct seems to take on a life of its own because its getting larger than the people managing. Then outside influences like other constructs begin to influence it (frex: stock market). Corporations typically are managed by parasitical people who seek to profit or gain from others.

A Corporation that merely seeks to support its is usually something called a non profit. A non profit can become parasitical.

Could a corporation take on an AI, I think they do already. Any parasite is an artificial or non-original construct. Corporations are just duplicates of each other, they are all basically made the same way. It's an idea put onto paper in the articles of corporation where there it remains one dimensional until someone begins to put their energy into it.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

We've done a good job of keeping the hive mind out.

bzzzzzzzzt.

...then the spiders came in and the pink fluffy snake ...



I feel that you are a bit more in your element (or groove) in this thread :)

I see their mind, the mind, causing us (most people) to "construct" or "express" things in chaotic ways.

Distortion of the spirit and soul....(and of the mind "thoughts" of course), but I personal think it's more spiritual (energetic) than physical, more involving the spirit/soul than the mind/body if one can grasp that possibility considering what we are seeing with our eyes.

"being" as a Picaso painting, not really knowing what side is up or down or what we are making it out to be, when really we should be now "being" as a Rembrandt painting, seeing and knowing things vividly and clearly for what they truly are.

Some may think what I just wrote may be a bunch of gibberish....but the collective reality most believe they are existing in is a bunch of gibberish, an abstract, distorted, and nearly the complete opposite version of the truth....

Picaso:
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6WUYF_lFxswAOMoELmgJfJLiAcHAi4WDYo5yW1tpgS07N8cHY

Rembrandt:
http://www.students.sbc.edu/vermilya08/Rembrandt/anatomy-webgall.jpg

See the difference?

[Gardener]

Below is a link to a drones debunk site; I find it difficult to accept that a bunch of people are not trying to make these 'gadgets' a reality, I am pretty certain given the mind sets of these power junkies that this is exactly what they are trying to to do. However, and in saying this I am trying to 'get in character' and see what they see. (this is imaginary). I want to rovingly spy with my drone, listen, influence (subversively communicate/instruct), build data, form feedback loops, etc' etc'. Now my first problem would be would i want to be seen, and how to protect my 'drone' from those pesky bushmaster do-da rifles.

I have to say its not working for me. I would be doing something far more subtle and invisible with my starnge language. Now if I wanted to see if my neighbour was 'prepping' or growing organic veg it might work.
Hands up anyone who has seen anything in their area remotely resembling these drones. If there is any reality to this idea then it is to fuel anxieties, take up time, and ultimately distract from the real ......but what do I know ffs, just one thing I know for certain, they are using camera drones to spy on farm land and see that everyone is complying with agricultural policy.
http://www.dronehoax.com/critiques/isaacs_hoax_a_sad_story.htm


Vivek------>This is interdasting... This CARET deal has apparently been debunked but these pictures caught my eye along with the excerpts ... prototypal?

[9eagle9]

To give an example between will and heart or what people call love.

I don't have the heart for this sort of thing. What heart i had for it , got burned away by resistance, by people screaming at me, hurling abuse and gross emotional bodies.

Yet I still do it. I can't NOT do it. I can't walk away from it.

That is will. Where the heart fails, where love fails, will can carry one through.



To what extent does this mental symbol juggling actually go in between you and what you would experience?

A lot, apparently :p

...but these last two posts (yours and 9E9) have done a lot in alleviating my need to juggle so much. Just trying to understand, ya know? I appreciate the time you all took in helping me, thanks!

[donk]

I'm not sure I buy that, just because you harden up the message a bit, and some may not get it-just having the will to answer, whether others judge it harsh, is love...I don't think it failed.

...we can't all be as sweet as PL.

[Curt]

Although I understand and appreciate the point you're making here, i.e., to see clearly, I prefer the Picasso. :p

Although it is abstract and surreal it does say something every bit as real as the more representational Rembrandt.

I don't bring this up to be difficult, because, as I've said, I appreciate and agree with the premise of what you're saying.

I just happen to think that seeing clearly shouldn't necessarily be associated with a strict preference for traditional ways of seeing.

After all what we're looking at may require a pretty wild imagination and the ability to look at some very out-there things.

In that case, a set or two of Picasso eyes would come in very handy.

http://sparkleberrylane.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/The-Kiss-by-Picasso-fine-art-691990_1024_768.jpg

Apologies for the momentary thread derailment. :focus:



A corporation is an inhabited construct in a certain sense. With the understanding everything has life, not necessarily consciousness or awareness, a corporation on paper has very little life. It's just a series of articles arranged by UCC law.

What inhabits the construct (corporation) would be the energy of people. What sort of energy are people putting into the construct? As the construct grows larger it gets harder to manage so more people need to put their energy in the construct. The construct seems to take on a life of its own because its getting larger than the people managing. Then outside influences like other constructs begin to influence it (frex: stock market). Corporations typically are managed by parasitical people who seek to profit or gain from others.

A Corporation that merely seeks to support its is usually something called a non profit. A non profit can become parasitical.

Could a corporation take on an AI, I think they do already. Any parasite is an artificial or non-original construct. Corporations are just duplicates of each other, they are all basically made the same way. It's an idea put onto paper in the articles of corporation where there it remains one dimensional until someone begins to put their energy into it.

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We've done a good job of keeping the hive mind out.

bzzzzzzzzt.

...then the spiders came in and the pink fluffy snake ...



I feel that you are a bit more in your element (or groove) in this thread :)

I see their mind, the mind, causing us (most people) to "construct" or "express" things in chaotic ways.

Distortion of the spirit and soul....(and of the mind "thoughts" of course), but I personal think it's more spiritual (energetic) than physical, more involving the spirit/soul than the mind/body if one can grasp that possibility considering what we are seeing with our eyes.

"being" as a Picaso painting, not really knowing what side is up or down or what we are making it out to be, when really we should be now "being" as a Rembrandt painting, seeing and knowing things vividly and clearly for what they truly are.

Some may think what I just wrote may be a bunch of gibberish....but the collective reality most believe they are existing in is a bunch of gibberish, an abstract, distorted, and nearly the complete opposite version of the truth....

Picaso:
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6WUYF_lFxswAOMoELmgJfJLiAcHAi4WDYo5yW1tpgS07N8cHY

Rembrandt:
http://www.students.sbc.edu/vermilya08/Rembrandt/anatomy-webgall.jpg

See the difference?

[9eagle9]

Lol..then people should take their own advice and not judge. When you apply some logic and think about what people are saying versus what they are doing...one sees an entirely different picture. One is being driven by what sounds and feels good, not not necessarily what is the integrated thing to do.

And basically if people are judging me with fawtly logic and feelings they really aren't judging me at all. I have no idea what they are doing or what they think they are doing but they aren't judging me. So there's no point in getting wadded up about it. People thinking with their emotions is exasperating however because nothing ever makes any sense.

Someone left a message on my public profile the other day dressing me down and telling me to let moderation handle things. They needed to follow their own advice. I did in fact follow their advice and reported them to moderation. I'm sure they feel disconcerted by me doing so because they 'felt' they were doing the right thing but they were doing the exact thing they were telling me not to do, even though I wasn't doing it. ...they were.




I'm not sure I buy that, just because you harden up the message a bit, and some may not get it-just having the will to answer, whether others judge it harsh, is love...I don't think it failed.

...we can't all be as sweet as PL.

[donk]

So I am on board with these ideas. At the worst case, if they are not exactly "right", it is still a good to imagine that they are...especially as I believe almost non-negotiably in what Steve Richards says about: We are responsibile for our thoughts.

So it seems important to take it to the next level. With 7 billion plus "thinkers", it's hard to imagine containing "thought forms gone wild", countless Friar Tucks that "need to be destroyed/released".

As someone with very little sensory perception beyond the mundane/3D/5 senses (though I'm working on it!), I do my best to do as limor said and BR pointed out "being mindful of my thoughts". I also try to expose what I think are unhealthy ideas/thoughts/attachments in those around me when I can. And most importantly, to try to teach this message to those that can hear it, and chip away at the programming preventing those that cannot (immediately) hear it.

So on a certain level, this confirms that there ARE indeed external forces, that those poo-pooing that and always going on about EVERYTHING IS WITHIN...isn't that kinda being locked into a programming? I mean, I get the personal responsibility stuff...but it seems we also have personal responsibility for others as well? ****added: at the least, what SR did, just make them responsible by just putting it out there--importantly though: in a way that the receiver of the message can understand...which of course, implies getting to know a person, developing a relationship, well enough to make sure they "get it"

[PurpleLama]

When one first begins the process of relentless self examination, one quickly discovers that one thinks many things that one does not agree with, which is a great motivation to get really aggressive with it, take it as a challenge. So much garbage gets through if you're not paying close attention.

[9eagle9]

Yes we do that is how we talk about these things, we have a personal responsibility to others. But cooperation means you are meeting someone halfway. If someone is cowering in their prison and saying, just be nice, that's not really personal responsibility to anyone.

Personal responsibility is standing up to the claims about one's self. If one is scared, lacking heart, or courage, or feels helpless they should say so. We are not inherently cruel. But if one is saying I'm tough and strong and smart and the moment someone isn't handling them with kid gloves they are no longer strong, or smart......? they then need to remember what they said about themselves and wonder how they are hurting themselves by doing that and remember their end of the personal responsibility to others.

Seriously if I got introduced to Chuck Norris and shook his hand and he collapsed into a fit of weeping and bawling I'd be seriously confused.

[RUSirius]

those poo-pooing that and always going on about EVERYTHING IS WITHIN...isn't that kinda being locked into a programming?

Could be, however the way I define "GOING WITHIN" is to practice using the "non 5 senses" in an attempt to gain discipline over ones self. However again, if everything we did was "WITHIN" we probably wouldn't have to many interactions with our fellow humans. Just a thought.

[PurpleLama]

Within you is the same energetic structure as the Universe as you experience it. By no means is this a concrete thing.

[donk]

Within you is the same energetic structure as the Universe as you experience it. By no means is this a concrete thing.

...I just meant those that I interpret to mean that everything external is a reflection of the internal. I realize it is my interpretation, and not concrete either.

I get (and own) the personal responsibility of how we deal with it, interpret, experience it. And recognize my (and others) part in maintaining that, as well as help others to do the same.

So that leaves us with the influences consciously attempting to stop this from happening (spiders and bigheads and garbage, oh my!).

Synchronicity: in my active quest to improve my ability to help others (and myself of course), I reached out many months ago via email to Steve Richards. The other night, I thought to myself...I know he's busy, but it's un SR-like to not at least respond. No lie, within seconds my phone went off, indicating the email of his reply had hit my inbox! Now I just need to be able to able to find the $2500 loot he's asking (I'm only $92,500 short currently) and convince him to hit the east coast on his next N.A. swing and I'm golden.

Failing that, anyone have any suggestions for a fast and inexpensive track to learning to consciously experience the multi-dimensional elements of existence that I am currently incapable of? ;):o

[SilentFeathers]

Although I understand and appreciate the point you're making here, i.e., to see clearly, I prefer the Picasso. :p



I sometimes do to....

My post, I more or less referring to not what we like or prefer so much, but actually towards what we are doing and how we are doing things, creating things...(if that makes any sense?)

:)

[Mark]

Going to the next level is doing what has to be done. I'm about to go out for the day but I wanted to mention a couple things. Someone earlier said something about thinking that it was more of a spiritual or emotional thing than a mental thing. They are all connected. I attempted to describe that in my most recent posts. You cannot separate them. The tendency is to try to separate them as we are trained in school about the scientific method which attempts to break things down into different categories. That in and of itself is a sign of Archonic/Systemic infiltration as everything is interrelated and entangled. And while useful, is only one aspect of an overall system of understanding that should be recognized as such. In other words, categorization, listing, looking at discrete aspects of an issue is the beginning - but has been considered to be the end - of a process that should culminate with re-connecting ideas with other ideas, stimuli with other stimuli, systems with other systems. A holistic and circular system rather than a discrete and linear system.

A few examples of thought-contamination:

You live on the third floor of a building. You have a great life. Things are getting better. You're learning things about the world and universe and you're waking up. But, everytime you go out on your balcony you get thoughts of jumping. You see yourself down there on the ground, broken up. The thought initiates the hypothalamus, chemicals rush into your body and you feel a sense of vertigo and fear. Loosh party on. But everything is fine. You know that. Why are you having these thoughts? They are not your thoughts.

You just got a great job. Got a great gal or guy. Your family loves you. You just learned about 911 and are seeking more information. But every day now, you are overcome by these feelings of depression. Thoughts of not being good enough. That your life is not worth living. Why are you having these thoughts? They are not your thoughts.

You are just minding your business. Just found out about meditation. You think you need some way to calm your mind and you get into it eagerly. You learn to deal with the rushing waterfall of thoughts and one day you have a breakthrough. You experience the end of the chatter in your mind and catch a glimpse of what lies beneath. Then, all of a sudden, you hear your man or woman banging on the door screaming at you to take the trash out and why didn't you wash the dishes and what are you doing in there anyway? Why is he or she having this breakdown? It is not her or his breakdown.

These are the kinds of things it is easy to get lost in the moment in and overlook as being applicable to the situation of having one's mind, soul and emotions under constant attack. It is better to consider it as a state of constant observation. Since we live in a surveillance society that is getting moreso every day - as above so below - this should not be too much of a stretch for anyone. Your mind is under constant observation. Has been since you began having thoughts. You've been compromised by a consciousness that insinuates thoughts into your mind that sound like your voice, that is the voice that you've been hearing in your head since you were a child. Of course you think it is you. Even when you become aware that it might not be you some of the thoughts still get by you. Which is why it is imperative to begin the process of examining the thought process and paying attention to everything that comes through your mind. There are a few key strategies:

1. Is this thought contextual?

2. Does this thought serve my highest potentiality?

3. What are the ramifications of following this line of thought?

Remember that the natural state of humanity is clarity. No discursiveness. Connection to Source, expressing the directives of Being with conscious and subconscious alignment. Language and mental infiltration lead to a state of continuous chatter/discursiveness that is a function of living and communicating in our societies, so a certain level of discursiveness pertaining to the workings of the Ego/Self maneuvering through space and time is necessary. Adyashanti, Tolle and Mooji speak of this in detail. But the dwelling upon past and future, the constant commentary of varying types are indicative of a lack of mental control which points to a subsequent lack of emotional control as the two are interrelated and they feed each other, leading one into the familiar patterns of destructive thought and behavior that we all should be familiar with.

[8t88]

Great thread that addresses one of my top interests. In my opinion, unless we understand how foreign installation (their mind) works against us, we can only pretend to recognize other traps, internal or external.

We can roughly divide everything that influences us (our behavior and reactions) into two groups: our right mind and everything else. I do suspect that major role in 'everything else' group belongs to foreign installation. Without it great number of traps would look silly but not if foreign installation whispers what 'we' should think and then agrees with itself before we catch what happened.

'Stalking oneself' that Castaneda explained in detail is the only effective way, known to me, of catching every trick of our foreign mind. There is zillion traps outside and we simply can't avoid them all unless there is constant internal struggle of recognizing real motives behind any decision. Without influence of foreign installation we would not see religious person switching to GFL saviors or vice versa, as a rough example of substituting one trap with another and feeling good about it.

There is another thing already mentioned in this thread and I can't express how important it is. Related to corporation entity that gets life on its own in the process:

Behavior of the individual and behavior of the group are shockingly different and there are energetic reasons for this. Not only that any group of people that shares common goal (and joins or creates group) can create group entity with life of its own, they also share energy (or karma if you prefer that term) with the group. That's why it is both foolish and dangerous to join any group (corporation, church, forum...) without careful consideration. Group continues to share common energy and vector even if all old members get out and are replaced with the new ones. By joining some of the old churches that performed atrocities in the past, even if they have shiny new message, still taxes energy of the newly joined member with the group -- in this case new member will be responsible for the atrocities from the past.

Persons behavior after sharing energy with the group is changed simply because there is much more 'baggage' in that group, compared with what new person carried in. That's the great way to get controlled, if we choose to join the wrong group of people.

Without recognizing constant influence of foreign installation, their mind will make sure that we choose wrong group to join or fall for any other trap. External part of our enslavement made sure that there is enough traps around that cater to any possible taste so we can be misdirected to choose unwisely and still feel good about that.

[donk]

Wow, nice one Rahykt...this paragraph describes what happened to me in better words than I could have written, literally down to the exact circumstance (dishes and trash and wtf are you doing??):


You are just minding your business. Just found out about meditation. You think you need some way to calm your mind and you get into it eagerly. You learn to deal with the rushing waterfall of thoughts and one day you have a breakthrough. You experience the end of the chatter in your mind and catch a glimpse of what lies beneath. Then, all of a sudden, you hear your man or woman banging on the door screaming at you to take the trash out and why didn't you wash the dishes and what are you doing in there anyway? Why is he or she having this breakdown? It is not her or his breakdown.

Also, I recognized one night that once an evening, I have a thought of .9mm, just the idea of either ending it all (or beginning a new game...it seemed less insidious as I don't fear death at all). Once I recognized that it was an icon, literally the same exact image, though the "suicide idea" or what to do with it, I kinda owned. But I realized it is an icon....exactly like this, except always the other direction (I don't know how to reverse the image) and the only difference was the color, as if they scrolled one setting on the image (sometimes it was all white, no color).

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m-9-dvic525.jpg

But once I recognized it for what it is, the next couple of days I could almost "see" the box around it, I knew it was a cut/pasted projection. I haven't had it since, though I been wqatching out for it...it's like "they" knew once I "knew"...creepy...

Sorry to go off...I just wanted to share that, as your post seemed eerily personal (Is it you messing with my mind?? :rolleyes:;):o) , especially considering I been saving (putting off) your earlier posts for some reason.

Good stuff, thanks

[9eagle9]

But their technology is different. It really did operate like the magical piece of paper sitting on a table, in a manner of speaking. They had something akin to a language, that could quite literally execute itself, at least in the presence of a very specific type of field. The language, a term I am still using very loosely, is a system of symbols (which does admittedly very much resemble a written language) along with geometric forms and patterns that fit together to form diagrams that are themselves functional. Once they are drawn, so to speak, on a suitable surface made of a suitable material and in the presence of a certain type of field, they immediately begin performing the desired tasks. It really did seem like magic to us, even after we began to understand the principles behind it.


Not sure its different, enhanced may be more accurate. The method has technological enhancement. Crowley's books are an example they have words in them that are set to execute something. A guised spell. It can spell knowledge or entrapment depending on the minds reading it. It can warn people away or suck them in.

[modwiz]

Their mind is very busy here. This is war. Julius Caesar comes to mind. He did not die in open battle. The entity or energy mucking with the forum will choose its targets wisely. The knife will come from behind. What we can see is not where the battle will be fought. Witnesses would be inconvenient.

[Belle]

I couldn't agree more, Modwiz. This is what I've been seeing also.

[Freed Fox]

You are just minding your business. Just found out about meditation. You think you need some way to calm your mind and you get into it eagerly. You learn to deal with the rushing waterfall of thoughts and one day you have a breakthrough. You experience the end of the chatter in your mind and catch a glimpse of what lies beneath. Then, all of a sudden, you hear your man or woman banging on the door screaming at you to take the trash out and why didn't you wash the dishes and what are you doing in there anyway? Why is he or she having this breakdown? It is not her or his breakdown.

On the rare occasions that I do manage a deep and constructive state, this is exactly what I've noticed. Hell, it doesn't even have to be other people. Sometimes the whole house starts 'settling' - the random pops and cracking sounds that sometimes emanate from the floors and walls - even in dwellings where this is rare. And if no one has driven by all day, you can bet the first passerby will come right on cue, sounding like he's lost his muffler, just when you begin real consciousness work.

As utterly frustrating as this is to me, I can't help but laugh. This is the matrix revealing itself, risking obviousness to throw us off the trail. It might succeed (especially with me) for the time being, but it is ultimately encouraging the process by validating it, to an extent. The drones and engineers behind the scenes getting antsy, as it were.

[donk]

Sometimes the whole house starts 'settling'

Man, I feel you, I thought it was just me...figured it was myself, the last deep rooted fear I'm so in denial of I can't find it--hell maybe it is just me...but my house is so full of critters and baggage and spirits (my girl is a friggin' magnet, not to mention factory) I can't test it til I find a secure, undisclosed location to hunker down and give it a try. Or maybe a dozen sage cleansings, a healing ceremony, and an exorcism. ;)

It is funny, I chuckle myself...as I started addressing whatever "presence", then it gets silent. Of course, then I'm focused on "them" and can't get further down & dirty with myself...

[RUSirius]

Their mind is very busy here. This is war. Julius Caesar comes to mind. He did not die in open battle. The entity or energy mucking with the forum will choose its targets wisely. The knife will come from behind. What we can see is not where the battle will be fought. Witnesses would be inconvenient.

Yes sirrreeee it seems so...will the balance be kept...I think so....

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Sometimes the whole house starts 'settling'

Man, I feel you, I thought it was just me...figured it was myself, the last deep rooted fear I'm so in denial of I can't find it--hell maybe it is just me...but my house is so full of critters and baggage and spirits (my girl is a friggin' magnet, not to mention factory) I can't test it til I find a secure, undisclosed location to hunker down and give it a try. Or maybe a dozen sage cleansings, a healing ceremony, and an exorcism. ;)

It is funny, I chuckle myself...as I started addressing whatever "presence", then it gets silent. Of course, then I'm focused on "them" and can't get further down & dirty with myself...

Well on the up side it seems as if you have you're finger on the pulse...

[PurpleLama]

Cracks and pops, knocks and footsteps, all normal and mostly to be ignored. It is an interaction of your expanding energy with the physical environment, more than likely. The human phenomenon, think of energy increasing in light or whatever having a tendency to expose what nasties are around, and what nasty there is is a product of some human mind, not without exception, however. Sometimes this may give rise to circumstances in which some wounds are exposed and healed, sometimes its just bullsh!t trying to get in the way. Be calm, take a moment to see where its coming from. Take care of it then get back to what you were doing.

[Mark]

Hi Donk.

No, I'm not in "your" mind. But then again, yes, I am in "your" mind. Because we are in "their" mind.

What I wrote was an example. In my life something very similar happened when I made a breakthrough in my yoga practice some years ago. I achieved a state of trance in the midst of an Asana only to faintly hear knocking at the door and then my then-wife bursting through yelling and screaming at me. Because I was detached and in a meditative state I was able to just observe her curiously, with no attachment to her or what she was doing. But her programming kicked in at what was, for the foreign installation, perfect timing to interrupt my gains. It didn't work then - although it had on many occasions previously - but it was a good try.

It is a program. Whether it is the foreign installation at some level or an AI the effect within our lives is the same. Whenever we deviate from the program the chatter-program begins with wordware that has been designed and perfected over millennia to subvert our initiative and bring us back into the fold. Barring that, the program demands our expulsion from the system or death. Depression programs, suicide programs, homicide programs. Whenever you hear a mother who killed her kids saying the voices in her head made her do it that's part of the program at some level or another. Whenever we find ourselves stuck in a series of negative thoughts that is us being caught in cycling program iterations.

There are the chatter-programs that begin when we deviate from the norm. Then there are the chatter-programs that begin when we entertain certain ideas. If you think a girl or guy is pretty or handsome, here comes the porn-program. If you get angry at someone, here comes the homicide-program. It takes what may originate from our experiences in the Now and, as soon as we begin entertaining them just a bit the chatter-program kicks in and takes it over the top.

Other people, the environment, as Freed stated, can be complicit in this as well. The reality that the flyers are a collective mind means that they know instantaneously and can transmit your status to any coopted individuals in the immediate area or even at a distance. Whoever is placed in that instance to intrude upon you and correct your deviation, bringing you back into the fold and initiating a loosh festivus at the same time. Win win.

8t88, welcome to Avalon. Your join date alongside the fact that your first post was in this thread speaks to the fact that you do indeed hold this topic in high regard. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and making such salient points. I had forgotten the term "Stalking", even though it is such an important aspect of Don Juan's teachings. It is what we have been talking about, in that it refers to how we watch our thoughts. The aspect of stalking that Don Juan talked about most was that of engaging with other people in the world. This also brings into play other related practices that are a part of Don Juan's Toltec teachings. Those are "Controlled Folly" and the "Petty Tyrant". Those are important topics that others can expound upon if they wish but as it pertains to what I am discussing now it refers to watching the flow of thoughts and controlling them.

Modwiz is on point as always. There is this sense of a lurking presence, waiting for an opportunity. But really, it's like that all the time and everywhere anyway, isn't it ... come to think of it, controlled folly and petty tyrants fit in perfectly with this discussion topic. I look forward to seeing who will step forward to discuss it.

[9eagle9]

Conversely if we don't stalk our own thoughts we in turn feel as if we are being stalked. Or bullied. Because we are.

[Heartsong]

I feel the energy of these threads but not the threat.

I read the posts as they show up and find the whole situation intriguing.

In your thinking, does that make me more a target of this entity, immune, or just not well tuned-in?

[9eagle9]

It doesn't have any emotions to really leverage you with. If you start stalking it it might change its mind. Feeling the energy isn't the same as being a victim to it. And yes we sometimes have to wrestle it down. Just letting you know it sees it is enough to give it a tantrum.

[Heartsong]

9E9 said "Just letting you know it sees it is enough to give it a tantrum."
Hey Chell, I got tripped up on the three "it"s. Can you re-state?

[PurpleLama]

I think letting it know you see it is enough to give it a tantrum, is correct. And is correct.

[9eagle9]

If the flyer mind knows you are observing or seeing it at work is enough to give it a tantrum. It, the flyer mind, panics because it has no where to hide. The only place it has to hide is whithin. If you are seeing the flyer mind within or without in others, it has no place to hide and panics. Usually it attacks. Most of its attacks are senseless to begin with so its fairly easy to spot.

[modwiz]

When one can see 'it' at work it will do 'its' best to turn people we interact with against us. Or, it will have a person say something to hopefully trigger a reaction to us. Mostly, 'it' wants us to feel very isolated and alone in our perception. Having those close to us or around us become adversarial is one sign of aggressiveness. A classic move is people denying that they or you said something that you know you, or they, did say. The tactic is to make you doubt your perception or sanity.

This is not some localized entity. This is part of the Matrix mind. Autonomy on our part and questioning the source of our thoughts is perceived as a software glitch, virus like behavior on 'its' part. Containment is crucial for 'it'. We, by stalking 'it' and being aware of it, have become an infection to deal with. Those around us, under the influence, act as an immune response. It will get hostile. Smiles will often accompany long blades.

[PurpleLama]

A classic move is people denying that they or you said something that you no you or they did say. The tactic is to make you doubt your perception or sanity.

Or the even more subtle, attack your spelling....

[PurpleLama]

When one can see 'it' at work it will do 'its' best to turn people we interact with against us. Or, it will have a person say something to hopefully trigger a reaction to us. Mostly, 'it' wants us to feel very isolated and alone in our perception. Having those close to us or around us become adversarial is one sign of aggressiveness. A classic move is people denying that they or you said something that you no you or they did say. The tactic is to make you doubt your perception or sanity.

This is not some localized entity. This is part of the Matrix mind. Autonomy on our part and questioning the source of our thoughts is perceived as a software glitch, virus like behavior on 'its' part. Containment is crucial for 'it'. We, by stalking 'it' and being aware of it, have become an infection to deal with. Those around us, under the influence, act as an immune response. It will get hostile. Smiles will often accompany long blades.

Double thanks for the addendum.