Marriage License and Birth Certificates for New Families?

[gripreaper]

I have a dilemma which I need some help.

My daughter has made a lifetime commitment to the love of her life. So far, they’ve exchanged promises and rings. Now, the question which is burning in her brain is, do I petition the State to become part of this union by getting a marriage license, or is there a better way?

Her significant other has concerns in regard to health insurance, which is provided with his job at Boeing. He also has the issue with the tax benefits, as his tax bracket is substantial. He is open minded and is willing to do the due diligence necessary to address my daughters concerns, but where to start?

In addition, my daughter and I have had discussions about the birth certificate, and how this gives the State all rights to the child. My daughter realizes that in this day and age, this is an issue and the protection of the (future) child is, of course, her highest priority. She anticipates that one day, in the next 20 years, vaccines will become mandatory and she is absolutely adamant against this (among other state mandated rules and regulations) She asked me, how do you go to school or get a job if you don’t have a Social Security number?

He is a good man and is looking ahead on how to take care of his family, but does not have the background or understanding as to: Why not get a marriage license and birth certificates for our children?

Although I have done extensive study myself on what it means to be sovereign versus an indentured 14th amendment US citizen, and I understand some of the benefits and caveats to both, I’ve never had to ask these types of questions when I was getting married or having children.

The purpose of this thread, is to explore the options, and develop a protocol for how new families can address these issues as they embark on their journey through life together. I know of no other place to bring this up, and I look forward to all replies and ideas forthcoming.

Thanks to all of you in advance.

[Arrowwind]

Here's what Id say to your kids..

You dont need a marriage certificate if you do a legal contract drawn up by a Lawyer? That should help you with health insurance I would think but talk to a lawyer about that. It may vary from state to state. If you are together 7 years doesnt that make it a legal marriage anyway? ...some kind of cohabititation law?

Really, I wouldnt have children without some kind of legal binding contract to assure rights of visitation and support for the child if things go awry. Young couples dont like to think in those kind of terms at this point in their relationship but it needs to be done. You dont know what the future brings and there are many types of events that can split a family apart. Each parent wants their rights well established as assured that there will be monetary support.

If a person (the child) does not have a ss card there will be no work for them. You would have to teach your kids survival skills above and beyond what most people have.. especially around how to make a living. Personally I wouldnt do that to my kids, and here are the reasons. We didnt know how to make a living without an ss card being that we both were licensed professionals so how were we going to teach our kids? Living off the grid both economically and politically is a huge undertaking. My question to you is ... if you cut them at the root and provide no paperwork will they be able to obtain it later when they are older and they decide that their parents were nuts and messed them up so fully up that they cant work? or legally get a loan to buy a car? or get health insurance? or sign lots of different contracts becasue they essentially have no legal identity?

Lots of things to consider here.

As far as vaccinations go... more states are awarding more vaccination rights these days than less. The trend has been in the opposite direction of what you fear but certainly, some states are much worse than others. Look at the state of residence carefully. There are websites that outline each states requirements and opt out pathways. ... but then if you move to a 'bad' state later the child may have to get the vaccinations when they are older, unless that is, they go to a private school, which often wave that requirement in states where vaccines are mandatory. Through private school attendence is how my friend avoided vaccinations for her ADD child. She was so afraid they would mess him up more.

Franky, I would not to have a child outside of marriage, primarily for their own protection, and I certainly have liked having health insurance. One thing the birth certificate does is affirm who the parent is. If you can prove you are you then you can prove that your child is yours. .. but of course they have DNA for that now. Regarding insurance - Having babies was an expensive affair for me and you really dont know how that will go until you get there. Without insurance we would have started out our marriage with a 30,000 dollar healthcare bill even though I started out with a midwife intended for a home birth. And health insurance saved our hide more than once for emergency visits for some accident issues with the kids and once for my husband due to an emergency surgery that would have cost us about 50,000 dollars... and this is all with us pretty devoted to alternative medicine.

you like to think that you can do alternative medicine at home but its not always realistic.. and you have to have guts and educaiton to pull a lot of it off... and really naturopathic docs aren't always cheaper, and they dont set bones, deal with head injuries, rarely do suturing, nor deal with anything that would generally require an emergency room. Am I glad that we had health insurance when my 13 year old son fell from at tree at 25 feet and fractured his spine? You bet.... kids will be kids and really from what I have noted my kids did pretty well compared to some of the bonehead stuff other parents went through that I knew.

Health Insurance in my estimation is pretty important to have when you are raising a family. We dont have it now but the kids are grown and if the SHTF healthwise it is soley our problem to deal with now as they no longer need us to care for them. Back in the old days people use to just die from simple stuff... in these modern days people still die from simple stuff because they have no health coverage, where they most certainly could have lived if medical intervention was available and timely.

So you can play Russian Roulette if you like to play. My bet was on insurance and it paid us back many times more than what we put into it... and actually we were and still are pretty dam healthy. Now consider if one of you or the kids develops some kind of chronic disease....like diabetes, or a congenital defect, or a severe injury, or a mental health issue, or god knows what.. to deny that these happens is a fools game in my humble opinion when the recourse of intervention financially is so simply clear... and with him working a Boeing you'd be fools not to take advantage of the benefits.

[Dawn]

What an interesting discussion. I'd like to propose a few ideas

1. Marriage does not guarantee any kind of support or security, although that is commonly believed. Marriage is actually a contract with the Government between 2 people. After having a divorce of a 38 year marriage, I can attest to how difficult it is to divest yourself of the government contract, and how little protection it provided for the marriage partners.

2. Having children that are not registered with the government and do not have birth certificates has nothing to do with getting social security numbers for them, or for their collecting social security income.

3. Most people who are truly interested in personal freedom end up developing their own business eventually rather than being an employee for a company who makes a profit on their labor. If you look around there are millions of these types of businesses. Simple ones like hairdresser, mechanic, to complicated owners of manufacturing companies abound everywhere. There is no problem getting a 'job' if you are your own employer.

4. In most states (and I can only speak for the US) it is pretty easy to get child support from a parent even out of marriage... so if the decision about marriage has to do with legal protection marriage is not required

5. Having health insurance is an interesting thing. Modern medicine is NOT focused on health or healing. They are focused entirely on profit. Almost all treatments offered by modern Allopathic Medicine are poisonous and can cause serious physical harm to the body. Almost the only exceptions are emergency treatment for accidents and bone setting. Most governments offer financial assistance to children in need. The concern here is in protecting property of the parents, such as a house or investments. Insurance can be taken out on the children to protect such assets in case of a medical emergency.

I think there those on Avalon who are much more educated than I on this topic and I hope they have input as well.

I would like to add something about my personal experience. After being married for 38 years and having a child during that time I have come to the following decision. I no longer wish to have a contract with the government about my relationship with another person. It is not the government's business who I co-habit with or what my relationships are. The only true security I have comes from my ability to adapt to life and the changes it offers. Courage in all situations is actually the only form of security there ever is... all else (including the institution of marriage and reliance on a dangerous medical establishment) is an illusion of security.

[CdnSirian]

Arrowwind...Dawn...you are both right. There are many details to consider. warmest regards.

[PHARAOH]

I have a dilemma which I need some help.

My daughter has made a lifetime commitment to the love of her life. So far, they’ve exchanged promises and rings. Now, the question which is burning in her brain is, do I petition the State to become part of this union by getting a marriage license, or is there a better way?

Her significant other has concerns in regard to health insurance, which is provided with his job at Boeing. He also has the issue with the tax benefits, as his tax bracket is substantial. He is open minded and is willing to do the due diligence necessary to address my daughters concerns, but where to start?

In addition, my daughter and I have had discussions about the birth certificate, and how this gives the State all rights to the child. My daughter realizes that in this day and age, this is an issue and the protection of the (future) child is, of course, her highest priority. She anticipates that one day, in the next 20 years, vaccines will become mandatory and she is absolutely adamant against this (among other state mandated rules and regulations) She asked me, how do you go to school or get a job if you don’t have a Social Security number?

He is a good man and is looking ahead on how to take care of his family, but does not have the background or understanding as to: Why not get a marriage license and birth certificates for our children?

Although I have done extensive study myself on what it means to be sovereign versus an indentured 14th amendment US citizen, and I understand some of the benefits and caveats to both, I’ve never had to ask these types of questions when I was getting married or having children.

The purpose of this thread, is to explore the options, and develop a protocol for how new families can address these issues as they embark on their journey through life together. I know of no other place to bring this up, and I look forward to all replies and ideas forthcoming.

Thanks to all of you in advance.


I have thought long and hard about this, as have your family. I am pleased to read this post. Although i have only thought about this in theory, maybe you can actually exercise the idea. My idea is to use a "Public Notary" for any and all of these types of agreements.

Here goes, find a "Public Notary" to be at the wedding as they are also allowed to marry couples (as vested by said state). Have your witnesses and contract properly filled out and have the notary sign and stamp on completion of ceremony. Photograph the events or video fro further evidence for future use if necessary. Same as with child birth. Have the notary close by; once the child is born, have a statement of truth affidavit with you stating the birth of your child, place, time, name etc, etc. Have the dad, mom, nurse and doctor sign as witnesses and the notary can sign and stamp. Again, photograph and video for future evidence if necessary. Once these have been completed, file at the local courthouse. Now you have your proof of birth and marriage signed by an officer of the state which cannot be denied and it is official record.

P.S. Most of the documents needed can be found at your local office supply store.

I hope this can help all of us as we continue our journey in this wilderness we call home. Let me know if this resonates. Wish you and your family well.

[gripreaper]

Thank you Dawn, Arrowwind and Pharaoh for your responses.

So, what I have gathered from the ideas so far, would be to create an entity, like a trust, which holds the tangible assets developed from this union and place the two partners as beneficiaries to this trust, and appoint a trustee who would execute based on certain instructions should various events occur in the future (like dissolution), kind of like a "buy-sell" agreement in a business partnership? Many "what if" scenario's could be discussed and instructions given to the trustee.

And, then set up an annuity into which you place all of the proceeds which you would have used to fund health insurance and make the monthly payments into that. I have a friend who was lamenting that his health insurance premiums have once again gone up (he works at Intel and has one of the best health care benefits out there)and is now paying about 900 a month out of his check for a family of four, when 20 years ago his premium was about 200 a month. WE ran the math, and figured out that, if he has taken all of his premiums and placed them into an annuity over the last 20 years, he would now have over 200K in that annuity.

This should cover the occasional broken bone, or the occasional visit to the doctor for any procedures within the allopathic path which may be needed. Of course, it does not cover every contingency, but my new son in law just bought two acres with a 2800 sq ft greenhouse on it and an artesian well, and they are planning on growing their own food, drinking their own clean fresh water, and are juicing raw organic foods. This young couple believes in living clean and raising their children to also be self sufficient, aware and awake. My daughter has aspirations of becoming the antithesis of allopathic and developing protocols for self care and self healing, within the naturopathic and alternative disciplines.

As far as the child's own choice as to whether it wants to apply for a social security card or take part in any other type of employment situation, he or she could make that decision at about age 16 or 18 and choose to do so, I'm pretty sure. As far as education, I think my daughter would either home school, or they would choose a private school and send and pay the premiums to make this happen.

Yes, I know that notaries are the highest witness on the land, and to do witnessed affidavits and declarations during a sacred union, or a sacred birth, would definitely be useful, yet I would question the recording of such documents at the county records. These documents would not be needed until or unless there was a controversy which needed adjudication, and to solicit the state run courts to adjudicate any issue, seems counter intuitive to the position this young couple wants to operate from. Maybe these documents could also be held in trust with instructions for the trustee?

The challenge and dilema has to do with, the young man is already a 15 year employee with a public company and is in the top third income bracket with this company, so from a technical standpoint, he has what would be considered a good stable high paying "job". He took out a 30 year mortgage in which he agreed to make payments, and also agreed that the bank could take the house back at any time should they stop or fail to do so. I was unable to apply any influence or instructions on this decision, as my son in law did this as a single man, without the "ear" of his crazy, out there, outside the box father in law.(me)

So, the dilemma indicates that it is very difficult to stand outside the indentured path laid out for us, giving all rights to the state, while also receiving the benefits and privileges associated with being an indentured corporate citizen... OR, standing sovereign, self determined, self sufficient, self educated, within the system of commerce as it is currently available, considering he is already somewhat entrenched in this system.

This should prove to be an interesting dilemma for sure. Can one straddle the fence and be in both worlds?

[SilentFeathers]

I'd research your states code/statutes related to these issues, and especially case law.......expect it to take many hours :)

[Arrowwind]

I remember getting my ss number at around the age of 16 or so and it did not require a birth certificate.. but I would check this out because things could be changing there. Lots of illegal aliens what ss numbers so Im thinking that it may be getting harder. One other thing about birthcertificates... you cant get a passport to get out of here without one, at least that I know of...nor can you be president! oh, um.. well, a good forgery may do for that, even a bad forgery.

Obviously with the job your son in law has he is already hook and sinker into the system. But as we all know we should not be counting on social security to be there when he comes to retirement age, nor medicare. We will have to see what the future will bring...

I would say that in the course of raising our two boys we had about maybe 80,000 in medical bills that was covered my insurance. There is no guarantee that going natural will save you from this. It would have slayed us having that 50,000 bill two years before my husband retired when he had an emergecy gall bladder surgery caused by gangrene of the gall bladder with little to no pre symptoms. It came totally out of the blue and was most likely caused by the stress of his high powered professional job. ... but who knows for sure?

You can set up a health trust fund but you must consider that both parents would draw off of that if needed for the health of the parents is equal to the health of the children. You are their protectors and providers. The last thing you want is the state taking them away from you because you could not make yourself well or became incompacitated, or to put excessive burden on your children to take care of you. Of course you would expect other family members to step in but you cant count on that. ... and I will stress that lots of things can happen besides broken bones and minor illnesses... I guess this is just my paranoia having been a nurse. Ive seen close up and personal what a lot of people go through regarding health. Please realize that the number one cause of home foreclosure is medical bills.

The best thing they can do to provide for their financial security is to pay off that land and house double time. It will save them lots of money in the long run. being debt free is essential to financial independence and we never carried huge card debt the way some folks do. If you cant afford cash then you cant afford it, period, was our motto. Our only exception was a car payemnt,, and never more than one car at a time, and then paid off early... and always used cars. Our vehincles are all, used, all paid for, including a tractor, which I think is essential if you are working the land and this is essential for retirement, at least for us. And no, your kids are not too young to be thinking about retirement. I dont know how we would have made it if it wernt for a small inheritance that we received... surely we would still be working. You dont want to be working till your in your grave... and when that gall bladder thing happened we started to think that maybe the grave was closer than we thought... so we scrambled for 2 years, then quit, for we had other things we wanted to do.

With me, with all the sh^t Ive seen women go through regarding marriage I did not want to marry unless the deal was rock solid, legally. If a guy can't put his life and reputation on the line for what he is about to create then he can go elsewhere. We discussed this before we got married. My husband also wanted to assure that I would stand in line for a family inheritance he knew was to be coming our way even if he did not live to see it through... so be careful to look at all aspects carefully.

At one point during our marriage we seriously considered defying the income tax theives and working to get off their books but seriously we felt that the benfits just didnt compensate for the risks involved. We watched some friends go though the tax man hell when the IRS found him short. It was woe to them for about 4 years and it did nothing to advance their financial security, but drained them.

To me fiancial security is largely wrapped up in home owership and having productive land. We worked long and hard to get were we are today. Now Im just hoping we get to live long enough on it to have made it worth while and your kids are very blessed to have this at the start of their relationship and they should remember every day how lucky they are...

Another thing we had going was a life insurance policy on my husband. It isnt huge, about 100,000 that we still maintain today. The intent of this was so that if anything happened to him, me and the kids could get by without fully falling apart. Currently my husband thinks that he will likley checkout before me so the intent still remains as a cushion.

Its all a gamble what ever you do. Life is a game of chance.

You know, I like Dave Ramsey and I listen to him on occassion. He gives pretty good advice and all that he recommends is what we actually figured out by ourselves over the years. It worked for us. Most people out there retire with only about 10 to 20,000 saved. I cant imagine what they are going to do.

As far as teaching your kids to work independently good luck with that. Starting a business is not easy and they may just want to be more than a hair dresser or auto mechanic or some other skilled laborer. This is the time to think about advancing their potentials and horizons. What if they wanted to be an astronomer, a professor, a doctor, even naturopathic, a veternarian, or go into agricultural sciences or god knows what. Almost all work requries and ss nnumber and a birth certificate or proof of national residency and some work even requries backround checks... just something to think about.

If these grandchildren really want to be an off the grid person they should never ever file an income tax statement right from the get go nor work for an employer that requries an ss number from them. Once you cross that line it becomes very difficult to escape and you better have your ducks in a row for you will never be able to call upon the government for assistence either. Without a rock solid family as back up they could get lost and this is why I believe that really free people need to build small family empires that united can resist the tides of change.

I realize this goes beyond what the questions called for... i just got on my soap box I guess.

[161803398]

They should have a marriage agreement anyway because, in case they ever separate, they won't have to go to court which could save a lot of money. People often get married or live with someone without an agreement and they regret it later on. In BC, the legislation will change in April so that people who have lived together for 2 years in a marriage like relationship will have the same rights of division of property as married people. The contract should say something like whatever they put in their joint names is joint property; whatever either of them put in their own names is theirs without the other person having any interest in it. If he has land and has put all his money in it he would probably not like to put that land in her name; but if she doesnt get employment and raises kids and they are married for 25 years this is a problem.

[Siberia9]

I have looked at all this for some time myself and have found my own path to follow on this subject and it works. So anyway I have read alot of the Freeman stuff and I think many people are attempting to apply these ideas to there lives and get lost and in trouble very quickly. Those Freeman on the Land guys are activist in my opinion. So the question is do you want to be an activist that gets arrested with your kids and makes lots of noise with the local bureaucrats? Or do you want to slide through all the road blocks quietly?

I choose to slip trough it all and be a ghost. I take it to the extreme but you can go as deep as you feel comfortable or can afford if you choose to.

I always get birth certificates, social security numbers and passports for my kids. OK so heres the exit ramp, In my mind I dont see it as real, its not connected to me, it is a fraud that I can use if I want or I can stash it all in a safe place and not use it, my choice. Just because these govt clowns give print out this paper doesn't mean you have to own it. This is the biggest step really and it is just inside your mind. You can know its a scam they use to enslave us all but still use it to avoid problems with the authoritarians who wear those silly govt costumes.

Its similar to what the Doctor does, he gives you a disease to carry around on your head like its a sandwich (real) "I have diabetes" when in reality that is just a made up word and you just lack the proper minerals your body needs. " I am Joe Slave, it says so on my govt paperwork" I call it a mind lock, they have to make it seem real for it to be real in your mind. Meanwhile I am who ever I want to be.


So how am I a ghost? OK well I have nothing in the name on my birth certificate. The houses are in a land trust, only I know who the beneficiary is. Hell I can make one of you the beneficiary and only a judge who can prove criminality can force me to show who it is. My vehicle is in an anonymous Nevada LLC, I could have used a trust as well, like I did with the boat. Did you know that you can legally change your name in another country and not have to change it in the country you were born if you have dual citizenship? Did yo know that you can pay an attorney a small fee to use his office as your official address? Thats the address on all those documents that no one can see anyway, heh heh. The way I see it you dont need credit cards and credit or to even use your name really. The entity's you set up can have a credit card if you want one for emergency's. You can go deeper than that if you need to by going offshore and using bearer share corporations and off shore trust if you have a financial need for such a thing. This is what the elites do, good luck coming to their house with social services for not home schooling or something. it doesn't happen because they leave no trail and they are not in the system. All contact must go through the attorneys and the bureaucrats must prove the have some jurisdiction etc.


So, I say by all means get married, especially for a women. Her husband has a good job and he will be legally responsible for his family should it go bad at some point in the future.

Heres a scenario for ya, your wife is unconscious in the hospital and they want to vaccinate her (and they will want to). Her husband can tell them to screw off but if they are not married they will have security drag him out of there and do what ever they want, fact.

If your not going to live like John Conner or at least like I do then why would you avoid the system in this way only? Especially when you probably already give them your address, phone, personal info to your Dr's, school, DMV and anybody else that wants it, just say'n.

So I guess the first step is get the govt paperwork then separate yourself from it all, that way if you need it you can use it. Because until you rid yourself of credit, mortgages, jobs and schools you are deep within the system and they own you because you carry that govt paperwork around as if its is you. Start slow and your separation will gain momentum as you create an entity that is shielded by lawyers, using the system to create fake you's to hide behind.


Lastly, to anyone that wants to marry someone that has terrible credit etc I would say that getting married in another country would be legaly recognized if you needed it in an emergency at some point. Then you could just not tell the govt info collectors and keep yourself seperate for tax and credit purposes.

[Arrowwind]

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My vehicle is in an anonymous Nevada LLC, I could have used a trust as well, like I did with the boat.Did yo know that you can pay an attorney a small fee to use his office as your official address? Thats the address on all those documents that no one can see anyway, heh heh. The way I see it you dont need credit cards and credit or to even use your name really. The entity's you set up can have a credit card if you want one for emergency's. You can go deeper than that if you need to by going offshore and using bearer share corporations and off shore trust if you have a financial need for such a thing. This is what the elites do, good luck coming to their house with social services for not home schooling or something. it doesn't happen because they leave no trail and they are not in the system. All contact must go through the attorneys and the bureaucrats must prove the have some jurisdiction etc.

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Any good sources of info on land trusts would be appreciated as well as LLC.

[Siberia9]

Indeed, OK well the best guy to get a do it yourself Land Trust course is Mike Butler. He is former cop that became a lawyer and then used that money to become a wealthy real estate investor. I didnt see the land trust course on his site just now but if you shoot him an email he could connect you with it. I have his do it yourself course on land trust's and it is very simple and necessary as most lawyers dont know what a land trust is and the ones that do charge alot. He also has one for vehicles there but these days I use lawyers for everything and do less on my own.

If you want a lawyer that knows what a land trust is then you will have to go to a real estate investor meeting in your town and ask them who they use. I recommend the lawyer with the most expensive suit you can find because they are connected to the inside crowd of judges and politicians in your area that really run things.

I always hated the slave system on this planet. Maybe one day the humans will wake up to the fraud they live under but until the collective consciousness changes I say use the loopholes these guys have installed for themselves to your advantage.


As far as LLC's go, Id say google Nevada LLC and pick the cheapest one. That LLC can own anything, you dont have to do any business or get a business license. Its just an entity to hold property.

There are even office's there that are empty, only a secretary to forward calls and take messages and re mail if you want to pay them a fee for a virtual office and a real address LOL. You see this is how its done in the US and offshore. Once you see how the rich do it you can too on a smaller scale.

If anyone actually does a Land Trust and needs an opinion they can PM me as Ive done several.

Heres Mikes stuff (no I dont get any money if you buy his stuff) I have some other recommendations for corporate credit etc too if someone wants it.

https://m128.infusionsoft.com/app/storeFront/showStoreFront

http://askmikebutler.com/RealEstateInvsestorTraining/real-estate/




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My vehicle is in an anonymous Nevada LLC, I could have used a trust as well, like I did with the boat.Did yo know that you can pay an attorney a small fee to use his office as your official address? Thats the address on all those documents that no one can see anyway, heh heh. The way I see it you dont need credit cards and credit or to even use your name really. The entity's you set up can have a credit card if you want one for emergency's. You can go deeper than that if you need to by going offshore and using bearer share corporations and off shore trust if you have a financial need for such a thing. This is what the elites do, good luck coming to their house with social services for not home schooling or something. it doesn't happen because they leave no trail and they are not in the system. All contact must go through the attorneys and the bureaucrats must prove the have some jurisdiction etc.

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Any good sources of info on land trusts would be appreciated as well as LLC.

[eaglespirit]

Hi Gripreaper...Wishing You Well!

I do not wish to go off on a tangent here...
You have gotten tremendous information/suggestions/help already here.

I personally operate with a driver's license and passport and that is it...
been doing so for a long time but no others are involved.

There is excellent information in these videos and talks for all interested and it pertains to your inquiry.
I personally feel we are at a threshold that is about to free us from all of this.

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[Dawn]

Gripreaper: As far as education, I think my daughter would either home school, or they would choose a private school and send and pay the premiums to make this happen.

I am so glad you presented this question to us all. I am enjoying the input on this thread. I'd like to point out however, that private schools are usually under some form of government regulation. I put my daughter through an alternate school up until 7th grade. After about 4 years there, they suddenly decided she did not have the proper immunizations, although the Kaiser medical system said she did. Bottom line was that they insisted some of her inoculations be repeated in order for her to continue school there. Because they were a private school they were not required to continue educating her if she did not follow their rules.

It isn't likely that having an education outside of home schooling will allow your child to escape such things easily.

[Kimberley]

I read the OP and have quickly skimmed the additional posts... so I apologies if I am in any way redundant...

I personally got "married" in 1991 to legitimize and protect my children "to be" because that is how our society works at this point. I really have a lot of problems with man made institutions and marriage is one of the biggest...that said..... I knew the man I chose to be the father of my children would always be there for them and always love them (and he does) however I wanted to make it "legal" and he is a lawyer so also that adds to the mix big time...etc..

As far as the birth certificate....I had no knowledge about how that binds you and gives the rights of the child away to the PTW until a few years ago.... however knowing what I know now I wonder how they could ever get a passport if they do not have a birth certificate?

My 2 cents...

Much love :grouphug:

[Virgo]

This book may be helpful. http://sedm.org/ItemInfo/Ebooks/SovChristianMarriage/SovChristianMarriage.htm

[Arrowwind]

[. I put my daughter through an alternate school up until 7th grade. After about 4 years there, they suddenly decided she did not have the proper immunizations, although the Kaiser medical system said she did. Bottom line was that they insisted some of her inoculations be repeated in order for her to continue school there. Because they were a private school they were not required to continue educating her if she did not follow their rules.

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I do know for a fact that private schooling can help one to escape vaccinations. You cannot assume anything and always have to ask the institution you are dealing with for they can be more stringent than state regulations if they choose to. Private schools may have different requirements in different states or have individual preferences. also be aware that Ive had public schools downright lie to me about the possibilty of exemptions. You have to know the law yourself. If your going to have religous exemption prepare for that. You may actually have to join and attend a church.
http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/health/school-immunization-exemption-state-laws.aspx