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bogeyman
12th January 2013, 11:35
Recently I filed FOIA requests, to nearly all major USAF bases throughout the USA and Europe. Further to this I filed requests to USNORTHCOM, USCENTCOM, USSOUTHCOM, USAFRICOM,USEUCOM, and USPACOM.

In some cases you get a general response, asking you go else where like the National Archives and the usual mentioning of Project Blue Book. Yet it is remarkable how they interpret my requests, and the way some try even avoid trying conducting a search, unless pressed.

I quoted in some of my requests the following for unidentified aerial devices:

"Air Force Instruction 10-206 dated 6 September 2011, entitled "Operational Reporting" for example “3.2.12. BEELINE (OPREP-3B). Used to report any event or incident that meets Air Force-level interest, but does not meet national or international level interest requirements. Although the report normally remains within USAF channels, BEELINE information is made available to agencies outside the USAF (NMCC, State Department, etc.) through asynchronous reporting.”, and “3.2.1. PINNACLE (OPREP-3P). This report is used by any unit to provide the National Military Command Center (NMCC) and, as appropriate, combatant commands and services with immediate notification of any incident or event where national or international level interest is indicated. OPREP-3P reports are not restricted to operational information. Any inadvertent, accidental, unauthorized, or unexpected event or incident will be upgraded from an AF OPREP-3B to an AF OPREP-3P”

The majority of replies have given a "no records" response. There has been only one reply that acknowledged the existence of some OPREP 3 and SITREPS which are not UFO related, further some have pointed the finger at NORAD for records or this subject matter of "unidentified aerial devices or objects". Not all of my requests are complete at the moment so I will update this article once it has been completed.

It is very odd that with all the sightings across the US and the world not one report is found throughout many of the airbases, it makes me wonder as to the nature of the effort of the "thorough search", whether this varies according to the air base or individuals conducting the search. There is also a possibility that the subject matter is highly compartmented that only a few are aware of the existence of such reports, and hidden away from view. I was informed that USAF HQ would be the OPR for such reports by one response, so we shall see in time whether this is the case.

I have a strong feeling that unless you have exact reference to specific documents, you will not get very far in find records pertaining to any unknown aerial devices or objects. I have to evoke the AFI, which some AF bases do not use since it isn't mandatory, in order to avoid the general response.

I have also file requests to some AF bases using this:

"Records pertaining to unidentified aerial devices or objects, or like terms within the preview of your command, and or other commands, to be reviewed for release and all previously released documents pertaining to this subject. Also I request operational procedures for reporting such events of usual or unidentified events and or objects or like terms." Also variations of this. I try to avoid the term UFO since this can automatically close the door due to the perceptions people have of the term UFO. Yet I get the impression that some do equate a different between UFOS and unknown aerial devices. (I did also in some, use this phase: "Unidentified aerial devices or objects could be unidentified drones, unidentified phenomena etc, it equates to nothing more that unknown quantities, not the media or public perception of what a unknown or unidentified aerial device or object is. I am interested in how the USAF deals the unknown quantities."). This was/is also used to avoid the standard response, and automatically closing the door.

Yet it seems that with all this effort none of the major air bases, are willing to admit to having any reports, or not having any located at the specific airbase. I am sure there is a suitable reporting system for such unknown events, but I can safely assume it would be classified, and not admitable unless you have the "exact" title and proof that it actually exists even then, they may not acknowledge the existence of such a reporting procedure.

In general though I believe some reports, if I manage to find the exact title of the files can be released if it is of a certain level of intelligence and classification. I would say it may be as the USAF once stated many years ago a "needle in a haystack".

Ivanhoe
12th January 2013, 14:13
Have you tried Wright -Patterson AFB in Fairborn, Ohio.
This has been a focal point for reverse tech of foreign aircraft and ufo tech, along with Edwards AFB in California.

conk
12th January 2013, 15:22
Having worked for the federal government (DoD) for 37 years I can assure you that you will only receive what they want you to have. The information must pass through several hands and at each step a recommendation is made. An attorney has the final say. That is the process for routine info. For a subject like UFOs I doubt most of the people involved in the process have ever seen or touched the data. In fact I'm certain of it. So, your chances of getting anything worthwhile are slim. If you do receive anything it will be redacted to black ink hell and back.

Don't give up though. Something could slip through.

Tesla_WTC_Solution
12th January 2013, 22:55
Please read up on Projekt Riese, Projekt Thor, and the Third Reich Projekt die Glocke.

That should get you up to speed on the how and why. maybe not the timelines though.

weird wonderful wacky world.

p.s. air force says roswell was weather balloons. don't friggin believe that.
they had the nazi tech being tested in the area i am sure.

bogeyman
13th January 2013, 07:15
Having worked for the federal government (DoD) for 37 years I can assure you that you will only receive what they want you to have. The information must pass through several hands and at each step a recommendation is made. An attorney has the final say. That is the process for routine info. For a subject like UFOs I doubt most of the people involved in the process have ever seen or touched the data. In fact I'm certain of it. So, your chances of getting anything worthwhile are slim. If you do receive anything it will be redacted to black ink hell and back.

Don't give up though. Something could slip through.

Some of the responses have been interesting, so yes some may slip through, it is a matter of targeting.

bogeyman
17th January 2013, 02:31
I will also provide the following. I did ask SAF (FOIA) USAF for standard operational procedures when any "unidentified object" is detected in US air space. A letter dated 7th December 2012 stated they are not the OPR for the requested records. They referred my request to HQ USNORTHCOM/CS. The same request was sent to HQ Air Combat Command, they stated the "Air Combat Command does not have a directorate or office designated for tracking and reporting unidentified aerial devices. Also there are no DOD, AF, or ACC instructions to report such events.
All requests of this type of records should be sent to USNORTHCOM..."

For OPREP 3 reports Minot AFB HQ 5th Mission Support Group stated: "The Command Post has no local operational procedures established. If an incident occurred, Minot AFB would comply with the policies and guidelines for reporting as required by AFI 10-206."


http://www.sendspace.com/file/ne5rrt

It would appear USNORTHCOM is now the primary Command for "unidentified reports" and no doubt NORAD as well. I am sure instructions would of been issued to send incidents to USNORTHCOM and a number of other agencies such as NMCC. As regards OPREP 3 reports, I'm sure OPREP 3 reports concerning "unidentified objects" exist and are classified, in order for the DOD or any other Command to admit to this reports one much have proof that these reports exist, even then admitting to the report and others is questionable.