David Icke 2010

[Helvetic]

David Icke | Scottish Elite Connections to World Wide Satanic Pedophile Network

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23 March 2010—Red Ice follows up on the story of the Scottish establishment pedophilia ring and talks more about the case of Hollie Greig with David Icke who connects some of the dots surrounding this and similar cases around the world. We talk about the world wide satanic network and the connecting pedophile rings that have tentacles in elite, political and illuminati circles around the world.

download mp3 (http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2010/03mar/RIR-100323-dicke.mp3)

[Curative]

Yes well done to DI for helping spreading the word on this despicable group. Although I wish the moon comments had been made on a separate interview.

The importance of tackling this issue should be paramount in all our minds. Robert Green is leading the charge, lets help him in this quest to rid our governments of these sadistic psychopaths.

The resulting collapse of the corrupt political structure trying desperately to cover up these horrible events will be the true turning of the tide.

[Curative]

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[samvado]

I listened to it last night. Icke was again at his best. he really has a way of telling it as it is without much fanfare and no (or not too much) shouting.
I used to think he was nuts when i first listened to him, but not anymore.

thanx for posting!

[john.d]

I listened to it last night. Icke was again at his best. he really has a way of telling it as it is without much fanfare and no (or not too much) shouting.
I used to think he was nuts when i first listened to him, but not anymore.

thanx for posting!

I used to think he was nuts too before i opened my eyes properly . It's funny , but it turned out that it was me that was nuts really , along with all the other sheeple .

[Jan Rodrigo]

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Do You Hear The People Sing?





This Is Your Chance To Make A Difference


The imminent General Election in the UK offers a fantastic opportunity to put the plight of Hollie Greig and all children abused by the establishment paedophile and Satanic rings in the public spotlight and expose how these sick and depraved people are running our world.

The Prime Minister, government ministers, leaders of the opposition parties, Members of Parliament and would-be members will all be out on the streets and in public places and meetings throughout the election campaign and we need as many people as possible to question them about the Hollie Greig cover-up and demand action.

We need people to use video cameras to film these people being questioned and put on the spot throughout the UK and the result posted on YouTube where it can be accessed and posted by websites all over the world.




We especially need to target the leader of the Scottish Parliament, Alex Salmond, whenever he appears in public and the Scottish 'Justice' Secretary Kenny McAskill, both of whom have disgracefully ignored the Hollie Greig case and refused to even speak about it.

They won't speak to the public about such an appalling case as a Down's Syndrome girl being systematically abused and raped for more than a decade by Scottish establishment figures??

Okay, the public will go to them - and the UK government, opposition parties and Members of Parliament who have refused to even respond to demands that they pursue the case.

Disgraceful - Enough

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Do You Hear The People Sing ...?

Well, Do We?

Let's Go ...

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Do You Hear The People Sing?

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This Is Your Chance To Make A Difference


The imminent General Election in the UK offers a fantastic opportunity to put the plight of Hollie Greig and all children abused by the establishment paedophile and Satanic rings in the public spotlight and expose how these sick and depraved people are running our world.

The Prime Minister, government ministers, leaders of the opposition parties, Members of Parliament and would-be members will all be out on the streets and in public places and meetings throughout the election campaign and we need as many people as possible to question them about the Hollie Greig cover-up and demand action.

We need people to use video cameras to film these people being questioned and put on the spot throughout the UK and the result posted on YouTube where it can be accessed and posted by websites all over the world.
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We especially need to target the leader of the Scottish Parliament, Alex Salmond, whenever he appears in public and the Scottish 'Justice' Secretary Kenny McAskill, both of whom have disgracefully ignored the Hollie Greig case and refused to even speak about it.

They won't speak to the public about such an appalling case as a Down's Syndrome girl being systematically abused and raped for more than a decade by Scottish establishment figures??

Okay, the public will go to them - and the UK government, opposition parties and Members of Parliament who have refused to even respond to demands that they pursue the case.

I think this is right and belivie it need to be seen love to all. jan rodrigo

[Rimbaud]

Hi,
I don't think that david Icke is nuts either; I do however regard some of his comments to be slanderous with egg shell thin evidence to support "some" of his claims. I grew up with Icke during his reporter days and even sort of supported him during the "purple shell suit" phase.

Friends I know that loads of you give him a lot of creedence, and I enjoy some of what he says; but right now I find his attacks to be rather eccentric and heading towards his past form rather than present.

My Brother worked very closely in one of the most discussed "conspiracies" of the 20thC..it involved a British Princess in a Paris tunnel..I know how easy rumour and comment turns into libel and slander. The evidence simply doesn't support Ickes claims..to my mind anyway.

I'm happy for someone to attempt to make me change my mind however..but you'll have to work hard.

Best regards,

Rimbaud

[irishspirit]

I love David Icke!!! To say he does not support his statements with facts is just bull. Please, support your statement that he is full off it with facts????

David Icke has woken more folk up than any other. Yes, people will say that the aliens goes over the top, but then i would say you are over the top with your "facts that aliens are not real".


Be Safe

Irishspirit

[stardustaquarion]

Hi,
I don't think that david Icke is nuts either; I do however regard some of his comments to be slanderous with egg shell thin evidence to support "some" of his claims. I grew up with Icke during his reporter days and even sort of supported him during the "purple shell suit" phase.

Friends I know that loads of you give him a lot of creedence, and I enjoy some of what he says; but right now I find his attacks to be rather eccentric and heading towards his past form rather than present.

My Brother worked very closely in one of the most discussed "conspiracies" of the 20thC..it involved a British Princess in a Paris tunnel..I know how easy rumour and comment turns into libel and slander. The evidence simply doesn't support Ickes claims..to my mind anyway.

I'm happy for someone to attempt to make me change my mind however..but you'll have to work hard.

Best regards,

Rimbaud

You are 48 right, DI is 57... I think that I will like to see evidence before I take you seriously...

Appart from 5 posts what else do we know about you? How do we know you are really a mason?:hat:

[Majorion]

but right now I find his attacks to be rather eccentric and heading towards his past form rather than present.
How very true, I agree, even somewhat as a fan.

[Gita]

Not sure if this has already been posted but it’s worth reposting!:)

Skip the first 3.30 seconds as it's ads.

David Icke Interview - 24 April 2010 part 1/10

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David Icke Interview - 24 April 2010 part 2/10

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I'm sure you can find the rest yourselves.:thumb:

[rhythm]

http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/30-roaring-lion-fire.jpg
thanks gita i am up and ready ...........the mouse is no more the cat is back ...

[Gita]

Hey little lady, good to have you back and posting again. Cool pic angel. :thumb:

oh and before you ask, no the book's not out yet!:wink:

[HORIZONS]

Did you hear the interview he did on Truth Frequency? It was very good.
http://truthfrequencyradio.com/?p=1431

[Gita]

Thanks for the link Horizons. I'll have a peek. :thumb:

[HORIZONS]

Thanks for the link Horizons. I'll have a peek. :thumb:

You are welcome my dear - and many thanks to you too.

[Yona]

Thank you for that Gita
David Icke is also live talking about his work and book 'Human Race Get Off Your Knees'on thursday 27 May 8pm GMT time
sky channel 200 'Edge Media tv' (in the united kingdom)

[greenberet]

Hi everybody,

Maybe you have already seen it, can anybody explain this??

sorry if its a repost, I couldn´t find it on the web.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PO9bSDAYPs&feature=player_embedded

Cheers

[blue777]

well are you saying that Bill and kerry are freemasons? ...could it be that david Icke has very bad arthritus,is a group of conditions involving damage to the joints of the body. ...therefore it is possibly the way DAVID iCKE shakes hands...there are underlying implications in what you say....
lol
blue

[steve_a]

Hi greenberet,

I think you should direct your question to the people involved in the video. They are open people and easily contacted.

In my opinion I think it was just a case of the fact that everybody was seated at a certain distance and didn't get up to shake hands (very unpolite) and so were stretching out their reach to put their hands together. However, I could be wrong and everybody belongs to a demonic cult! :D

Best regards,

Steve

[Bill Ryan]

Hi everybody,

Maybe you have already seen it, can anybody explain this??

sorry if its a repost, I couldn´t find it on the web.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PO9bSDAYPs&feature=player_embedded

Cheers

David Icke has severe Rheumatoid Arthritis and cannot shake hands properly.

A very funny one minute outtake - from a new interview with David which I'll be posting within 24-36 hours - can be seen here. The problem is obvious. Anyone who knows David will tell you that he jokes about it, but lives in constant pain which he never once complains about.


http://projectavalon.net/David_Icke_outtake.mov

Please help to kill this silly rumor stone dead... David doesn't need it.

Cheers, Bill

http://projectavalon.net/David_Icke_rheumatoid_arthritis_1.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/David_Icke_rheumatoid_arthritis_2.jpg

[Micjer]

Thanks for addressing this Bill. It all is quite rediculous for the original you-tuber to post his vid. If nothing else a mason would not discuss secrets about their brotherhood. David would not be the whistlblower that he is if it were true.

Hopefully this will finally all go away.

Cheers.
M

[Connecting with Sauce]

David Icke has severe Rheumatoid Arthritis and cannot shake hands properly.

Everyone knows this in the alternative field. I recently saw David Icke at Brixton.

Question: isn't Rheumatoid Arthritis something which MMS can address? Andreas Kalcher stated he used to have this condition in his hands, problems lifting his children etc and he sorted it with Miracle Mineral Suppliment within weeks. I'll try and get Andreas K. to comment.

John Shore

[blue777]

Everyone knows this in the alternative field. I recently saw David Icke at Brixton.

Question: isn't Rheumatoid Arthritis something which MMS can address? Andreas Kalcher stated he used to have this condition in his hands, problems lifting his children etc and he sorted it with Miracle Mineral Suppliment within weeks. I'll try and get Andreas K. to comment.

John Shore

David Icke has never tried MMS he has always had Rheumatoid Arthritis, even as a goalkeeper that is why he gave it up...the implications amaze me...everyone who belongs to an esoteric group is demonized.....the implications behind this vid is a load of crap....anyway david icke would never get beyond the first degree he cannot shake hands properly...sorry david
lol
blue

[AlphaZebra]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/19bd2yTDkTI/2.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19bd2yTDkTI&feature=youtube_gdata)
David Icke outtake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19bd2yTDkTI&feature=youtube_gdata)


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[Gita]

I don’t think he would ever even want to join the masons or any group or occult. He is his own man. The poor guy has done so much and has gone through so much humiliation and then there’s his arthritis that he never complains about – and not to mention that the poor man is being attacked by EMP all the time. Jeeeze people give the guy a break and show some gratitude. :rolleyes:

[Gita]

Thank you for that Gita
David Icke is also live talking about his work and book 'Human Race Get Off Your Knees'on thursday 27 May 8pm GMT time
sky channel 200 'Edge Media tv' (in the united kingdom)

Thanks Yona, I've already programmed Sky to tape it for me. Darn shame it's the last one though! So sad. :(

[Curative]

QUOTE=blue777;21057]David Icke has never tried MMS he has always had Rheumatoid Arthritis, even as a goalkeeper that is why he gave it up...the implications amaze me...everyone who belongs to an esoteric group is demonized.....the implications behind this vid is a load of crap....anyway david icke would never get beyond the first degree he cannot shake hands properly...sorry david
lol
blue[/QUOTE]

I'm sure I have heard David say that he does take MMS, I remember because he stated that he doesn't know what all the fuss with the taste was about as he takes it in a glass of water and it tastes fine. MMS does indeed work for a whole lot of conditions, but I am not a fan of its taste. (Sorry, but I cannot remember which audio/video I heard this from to provide you a link)
However I am reasonably confident that David could be free from his RA should he wish to pursue it through other methods.

As for the Masonic link IMHO he is about as Masonic as an carrot (which his face colour matches in the above pics. Who's been out in the sun then?) TPTB are obviously worried about his ever growing publicity too which he is every bit entitled having worked so tirelessly for the past twenty years in the face of just such adversity.

[Rimbaud]

Bill,
Nothing Masonic as far as I could tell...just expansive hand gestures which can easily be mistaken. For instance I once made the signal of distress (The Widows son) in Lloyds of London..(I had a hedache) and I ended up with three old farts asking how they could assist....Paracetomol was my reply!

I'm constantly amazed about the supposed hand signals of Freemasonry when everything you want to know is revealed on the net if you care to search. David Icke, Bill Ryan or Kerry Cassidy have never to my considerable knowlrdge ever done such signs. Freemasonry is a very subtle art!..we don't flap our hands all over the place...we do it with knuckle pressure. To return to the subject in hand...I'm sorry to say that you're talking nonsense with regards to David Icke...As for Bill I suggest he's the Grand Blighty Wizzard and Kerry is his Evil Queen....Come on you lot! stop posting this tripe..I thought you were more grown up than this!

In peace from a real evil Freemason...Grrrrr!

Rimbaud!

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" sic" Knowledge

[Rimbaud]

I must say sorry for my horrible typos...being dyslexic doesn't help...being pissed makes it worse..lunch in the mountains is such fun!....Love and funny handshakes from Rimbaud!

Rimbaud

[greenberet]

Thank you everybody for your answers, this video was really bugging me and I´m very happy to get a response specially from Bill, Its good to keep this post on record for anyone else that thinks otherwise, I know that everything has an explanation.

I was thinking the same thing, there is no way David, Kerry and Bill could be masonic, we have learned so much from them, but like I said, It was really bugging me and had many people asking themselves :confused:

Anyways, cheers everyone, ...... I feel better already. :becky:

[Fina]

As an ex-occupational therapist {OT}, I see that David has subluxation in quite a few joints- very painful indeed, and impairs your hand function in that you cannot perform certain kinds of 'grip': a 'proper handshake' for example.
The 'Plate-grip' is often the only functional grip left that works...

Putting 'expanded handles' on things like keys, pens, cutlery etc. can help, to a point. I hope David has seen an OT for advice on ADL aids and adaptations and joint-protection advice? And that someone has supplied / made David resting-splints?

[blue777]

Bill,
Nothing Masonic as far as I could tell...just expansive hand gestures which can easily be mistaken. For instance I once made the signal of distress (The Widows son) in Lloyds of London..(I had a hedache) and I ended up with three old farts asking how they could assist....Paracetomol was my reply!

I'm constantly amazed about the supposed hand signals of Freemasonry when everything you want to know is revealed on the net if you care to search. David Icke, Bill Ryan or Kerry Cassidy have never to my considerable knowlrdge ever done such signs. Freemasonry is a very subtle art!..we don't flap our hands all over the place...we do it with knuckle pressure. To return to the subject in hand...I'm sorry to say that you're talking nonsense with regards to David Icke...As for Bill I suggest he's the Grand Blighty Wizzard and Kerry is his Evil Queen....Come on you lot! stop posting this tripe..I thought you were more grown up than this!

In peace from a real evil Freemason...Grrrrr!

Rimbaud!

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" sic" Knowledge

well done rimbaud.
Bill Kerry or David ARE NOT FREEMASONS...you can find the handshakes on google....THE QUESTION i WANT TO KNOW IS :What are the implications behind the notion of the video and handshake.....what we should be concentrating on now...is where are we going as humankind and what is going to happen?....maybe greenberet may like to tell us about the implications of his e-mail/thread
lol

[greenberet]

well done rimbaud.
Bill Kerry or David ARE NOT FREEMASONS...you can find the handshakes on google....THE QUESTION i WANT TO KNOW IS :What are the implications behind the notion of the video and handshake.....what we should be concentrating on now...is where are we going as humankind and what is going to happen?....maybe greenberet may like to tell us about the implications of his e-mail/thread
lol

Something very stupid of me that I happened to see on youtube thats all, I have been following Project Camelot and David Icke for long time and i´m very happy for the work they are doing.

I apologize for that threat, but it was bugging me that people were talking against project Camelot and David Icke because of that video.

Cheers

[Celine]

Dis-information is always best served by the un-aware

[AlphaZebra]

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David Icke - HUMAN RACE, GET OFF YOUR KNEES : A Project Avalon Interview with Bill Ryan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7WTxb-Oe7s&feature=youtube_gdata)

David Icke talks with Bill Ryan from Project Avalon about his newly published (May 2010) book: HUMAN RACE, GET OFF YOUR KNEES.http://projectavalon.nethttp://davidicke.combill@projectavalon.net
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[TigaHawk]

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It's funny, ive been organising with a few "special" friends on what we're going do to when poo hits the fan, namely packing up shop and going finding a cave somewhere in the desert to live... but its just strange how things seem to be ramping up.. and quickly

[Strat]

I believe this is a fairly common problem for people with arthritis. My grandmother (may god bless her soul) had the same issue.

[AlphaZebra]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/gRTS-Zsd6ZM/2.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRTS-Zsd6ZM&feature=youtube_gdata)
David Icke and Jordan Maxwell in conversation: a Project Avalon video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRTS-Zsd6ZM&feature=youtube_gdata)

BROTHERS IN ARMSDavid Icke and Jordan Maxwell in conversation about the agenda to control Planet Earth, meeting again for the first time in 15 years. Wonderful stuff.http://projectavalon.nethttp://davidicke.comhttp://jordanmaxwell.combill@projectavalon.net
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[Gita]

David Icke’s interview on Edge Media TV. See him rip about accusations of his ‘Masonic’ handshake!

It’s a two hour interview so I’m only posting part 1 here – I’m sure you all know how to find the remaining parts on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF48IhVfis4&feature=player_embedded)!!

Enjoy. :thumb:

The Last Live Show on EDGE MEDIA TV-ON THE EDGE 27th MAY 2010 PART 1

uF48IhVfis4

[K626]

The latest book is a masterwork by all accounts. Keep it up David we are all with you on this.

[Gita]

I'm still waiting for my book to come through the post K :(. I pre-ordered it months ago but Amazon are taking their sweet time!:mmph:

[Swami]

THX G,

Food for the weekend..........

[shiva777]

http://www.blip.tv/file/3715031

[Wood]

I've just watched the whole interview. It is an almost verbatim copy of the interview by Bill Ryan. It was interesting to get the information again though.

[Celine]

Your book should arrive shortly Gita

[_Infinity_original]

I love listening to David speak the guys a genius. But I felt bad for him when I watched this. He seemed uneasy, especially when you compare it to his demeanor during the interview with Bill. Throughout Bill's interview he seemed relaxed and at ease. I just felt that the guy who interviewed him from Edge Media seemed slightly condescending. It just felt uncomfortable for me to watch that's all. Just my personal opinion.

[Rimbaud]

Dear Greenberet,

I was totally not having a dig at you personally..it was just a reaction against what I percieve to be the irrational phobias going around just now. Please don't think that I was having a dig at you..I just ask you to investigate a bit more for your own peace of mind. I've looked at all the YouTube supposed mystical signs done by actors, politicos and artists and have only ever seen hand gestures that we all make about 1000 times a day without knowing...especially with a photographer that can take dozens of stills a second with todays cameras.

Is Bush a Mason?...bet your life on it Sir!...not the others though.

Well done with your eagle Eye Greenberet,

Peace,

Rimbaud

[Grizzom]

http://i47.tinypic.com/2ypdnad.jpg

Bible errors
By David Icke

Jesus said the end of the world would be in his generation
Jesus is talking of signs that will happen before the end of the world to his disciples)
(Notice: Jesus probably thought the stars were little lights attached to a solid rotating sky dome like everyone
else at that time)
(Mat 24:29 NRSV) "Immediately after the suffering of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will
not give its light; *the stars will fall from heaven*, and the powers of heaven will be shaken.
(Mat 24:30 NRSV) Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth

will mourn, and they will see 'the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven' with power and great glory.
(Jesus now says to his disciples that their generation will not pass away before the end of the world)
(Mat 24:34 NRSV) Truly I tell you, *this generation will not pass away* until all these things have taken place.
(Their generation did pass away, but the world didn't end)

Read more here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/19682151/David-Icke-Bible-Errors

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[shiva777]

as always Icke looks at things with one eye closed but he gets the basic idea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekSG09Yv2-I&feature=player_embedded#!

[Eric J (Viking)]

Latest from David Icke ... 5 parts ...

David Icke: Humanity's Last Chance - Alex Jones Tv 1/5


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekSG09Yv2-I&playnext_from=TL&videos=rop2pS6cLJI

viking

[Eric J (Viking)]

Good set of vids...please watch the whole lot...but this one is particulary good!!! Vid 4 ...

Kendra Arnesan a shining light of what can bo done!

Human race get off your knees!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz--CltjZoM

viking

[observer]

Good post viking.

I'm never quite sure why Alex Jones' (and David's) videos are so often "hidden" on YouTube in such a way one cannot easily find all of the videos in any given sequence (sarcastic). Such is the case with this particular sequence:

I've arranged all five parts of this series so one might hear the entire interview:


David Icke: Humanity's Last Chance - Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekSG09Yv2-I&feature=player_embedded

David Icke: Humanity's Last Chance - Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-GE2D6RaRk

David Icke: Humanity's Last Chance - Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTcOR4IDRfE&feature=related

David Icke: Humanity's Last Chance - Part 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz--CltjZoM&feature=related

David Icke: Humanity's Last Chance - Part 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oNMJvNgRv8


To those who would categorize this information as "dwelling on fear": I would point-out; knowledge is not fear. Only by maintaining a focus on the obscenities will the source and power of those obscenities be exposed to the LIGHT. Ignoring those obscenities will not make them go away. The Mass of Humanity must join together and maintain a focus on the underlying causes of the atrocities....

[steve_a]

Hi Viking,

It appears that all the traditional conspiracy theorist people are saying more or less the same things now in every programme, on every site. News flows so fast these days that even recent news is old news and that's how I felt with this interview. Don't get me wrong, I admire the guy and Alex Jones (sometimes), but there was nothing new said during the whole hour of the interview, which for me made it a non-interview or space filler.

Of course there is a danger that as there is no 'new news' coming out, there is a tendancy to try and give another breath of life to old news so as to try and create an impact, to try and keep in the media. Not that I'm saying that that happened in this case, David Icke if anything is constant. But there are others out there (for example Paul Watson on Prison Planet) that from time to time try and scare, or at least over exagerate a story just to try and make it interesting.

That being said, I do appreciate what they do, if for nothing else, for their stand.

Best regards,

Steve

[JoshERTW]

Actual 5/5 is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V__lC7e3Ch8&feature=related

I always am left with a negative feeling after listening to Jones. I try to avoid his material, I can get the same information elsewhere without that feeling, maybe its just his mannerism. David Icke on the other hand has a different vibe, most of the time.

[Moemers]

Actual 5/5 is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V__lC7e3Ch8&feature=related

I always am left with a negative feeling after listening to Jones. I try to avoid his material, I can get the same information elsewhere without that feeling, maybe its just his mannerism. David Icke on the other hand has a different vibe, most of the time.

Alex Jones seems really confrontational, and I think that's why I'm turned off too.

[3optic]

Alex Jones seems really confrontational, and I think that's why I'm turned off too.

Alan Watt and Alex Jones have good information but project a fear based vibe about it sometimes. I think they both deserve a lot of credit for the things they expose. Sometimes neutral information provokes a fear response so it is helpful to know the difference.

I like to dip into these resources and take a break if it feels I am being used by the information as opposed to the other way around!

[Teakai]

I really enjoyed the interview with Alex Jones and David Icke on Infowars.com. I think Alex is great - and the people he interviews are really interesting and have a lot of good information - and Alex cracks me up the way he gets all riled up.
I think he has a great heart and he doesn't shirk from what he sees to be the truth.

In respect to fear and fear mongering - clicking the amygdala forward helps with that. When the amygdala is clicked backward it connects with the primitive brain - whenever you're feeling scared, click it forward and keep on clicking - this connects you with the frontal lobes and the higher brain - there's no fear there.

[grannyfranny100]

Teakal,

I didn't know what amygdala is. Is it easy to click it or do I need to take a course (I checked the web). It might end my dependency on Cymbalta for my fibro.

Thanks,

Granny Franny

[Deega]

Hi All avalonians,

I wonder if you have seen this video from David Icke, loved it !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BC800YrU64&feature=player_embedded#!

Wishes you all great viewing.

All my blessings.

Deega

[Freedom]

Thanks Deega....I had not seen this video and having watched....
I too can say I love it too....Thank YOU for bringing this....
it is just what I needed today....keeping me grounded....
centered on task.....can't wait....
Namaste....Freedom

[Arpheus]

Thats a short but good one tks !!

[noxon medem]

" the world as we know it ..."
- Do we know it ?
At least it seems that absolutely
everybody know it in their own way.
and here
- a documentary of and about David Icke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe8UA5gGwss
- here something more about David ....
and
here something else :

1582 -'- 1583

[greybeard]

..
" the world as we know it ..."
- Do we know it ?
At least it seems that absolutely
everybody know it in their own way.
..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe8UA5gGwss

- here something more about David ....
..
and here something else ...

..1582 -'- 1583

Thanks to Deega for the Davis Icke video and Noxon for the link.

I watched The Wogan interview years ago and it saddened me greatly at the time.
I got from David Icke at that time that we are all Sons and Daughters of God.
The reptilian part turned me off as I know that we all have a brain evolved from reptiles, now with a frontal cortex.
We are of course warm blooded, not sure if reptiles are, snakes aren't for example.
The rest of what David Icke says its easy for me to go along with.
There seems to be cycles in evolution, called Yugas by the Indians, think a Yuga lasts 36 thousand years.
Its a cycle but I think also an upward spiral so nothing repeats exactly.
The current yuga is coming to an end and the next could be called a "golden age" where there is a change in perception and love and harmony, a sense off Oneness prevails.
Current Enlightened ones say the same thing as Icke-- that we are due for a change in perception where we will see the world and all in it totally differently.
Let us hope this is so.
Love Chris

[Deega]

Thanks Deega....I had not seen this video and having watched....
I too can say I love it too....Thank YOU for bringing this....
it is just what I needed today....keeping me grounded....
centered on task.....can't wait....
Namaste....Freedom

Thanks Freedom,

Great to know that you appreciate the video!

All my blessings.

Deega

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Thats a short but good one tks !!


Thanks Arpheus,

Welcome.

All my blessings.

Deega

[Deega]

..
" the world as we know it ..."
- Do we know it ?
At least it seems that absolutely
everybody know it in their own way.
..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe8UA5gGwss
- here something more about David ....
..
and here something else ...

1582 -'- 1583
..

Thanks Noxon,

Great video also, loved it, seen parts of it then, and very interesting integrated new parts. He is a visionary and a missionnary of a better world to come...

And thanks for your attachments, I had a good laugh at the birds looking down and the ones looking up, thanks! And your inverted christmas tree, amazing!

All my blessings.

Deega

[elysian]

Thanks! i loved it too!!

[Niobe]

Thank you for posting the David Icke videos. The scenery was beautiful in the Truth Vibrations video, and I loved his message. This change can't come soon enough for me.

[Jonathon]

A good video to pass around:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNoduSUwN8Y&feature=player_embedded

[tone3jaguar]

I do not agree with what the border patrol guy did. However, if a police officer that is armed asks me to get out of my vehicle then I do it. Not because I am under control, because I am not stupid. What did he accomplish by not getting out of the car?

[Jonathon]

Despite the fact that officers are not educated as to what they can and cannot do, they are required to obtain personum jurisdiction (meaning you enter into a contact with them by your own agreement... this contract can be entered into by making statements, arguing, fleeing) prior to executing any duties under any law (contract). By asking questions, the victim in this case avoided entering into a contract, thereby eliminating any legal execution of duty by the officers. Whether the victim knows it or not, he can now proceed with the perfection of an administrative process to place a commercial lien against each of the officer's bonds for just about whatever sum of money he desires and they will never work again. This is how it is supposed to work - this is power of contract. Each of us has the unlimited right and authority to contract and to enforce that contract (or lack thereof). Knowledge is power. If this was common knowledge, either the hammer would have to drop a lot harder on us, or the system would be perfectly balanced.

Imagine if everyone holding a public office knew that ANY citizen they serve could eliminate their public position and keep them from ever working again. Might be different don't you think? Well that's exactly how it is set up. Problem is, very few know it!

[Deega]

Thanks Elysian and Noble,

Glad that you find something in the video that nurtures your spirit.

All my blessings.

Deega

[Enlightenment101]

When the people have had enough, I wonder which side these fools will be on
Because he is right, it will be their children next

[unplugged]

I forwarded this highly charged video to one of my deeply sensitive-to-energy friends BEFORE reviewing it and she freaked out right at the point where the officer breaks the glass. Based on her feedback I immediately reviewed the video and realized how badly I had erred in forwarding this video without viewing it before doing so. I just saw Icke's name and figured the content would be valuable.

I was mistaken.

While these are unquestionably truthful representations of misuse of authority and abuse of power they add nothing of value -- IMO -- to the advancement of consciousness. The energies depicted are gross in the extreme, deeply disturbing, exceedingly NEGATIVE and distressingly unrefined. There is more negativity and fear generated in 60 seconds of this violence than I've encountered in an equivalent span of possibly a decade. Maybe more.

The Dark Side is probably delighted with this production. Had it been labeled "Inject Yourself With Demonic Frequencies & Jacked-Up Fear Energy" I definitely would have passed it by. I can't imagine anything more gratifying to the Demonic Presences than having a Light worker do the heavy lifting for them. They got more access to beings beyond their low-energy circuits via Icke's channel than they could ever have hoped to attract had they dropped it off themselves with a $100K gold bullion certificate attached.

[AlphaZebra]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ij6G41lciLs/2.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij6G41lciLs&feature=youtube_gdata)
David Icke - HUMAN RACE, GET OFF YOUR KNEES with English subtitles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij6G41lciLs&feature=youtube_gdata)

David Icke talks with Bill Ryan from Project Avalon about his newly published (May 2010) book: HUMAN RACE, GET OFF YOUR KNEES. English subtitles based on the transcript: http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/david_icke_human_race_en.html http://davidicke.com bill@projectavalon.net
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[AlphaZebra]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ude-AkKNN1o/2.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ude-AkKNN1o&feature=youtube_gdata)
FR - David Icke interviewé par Project Camelot (02/2009) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ude-AkKNN1o&feature=youtube_gdata)

David Icke, sa vie et son travail. Un des orateurs et auteurs les plus en vue, les plus francs et les plus controversés qui soient sur les Illuminati et le programme de contrôle du Nouvel Ordre Mondial.http://projectavalon.net/lang/fr/david_icke_interview_transcript_fr.html
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[shiva777]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjkuLiyPIhQ

[MariaDine]

:) .........and he is so right !
We have everything ! Brains, experience and so many holistic and scientific tools to begin another pathway........and We all have each Other...Well, I think Trust each other is the ultimate challenge.......to know that we are interconnected - like we are in this Forum - no matter the distance....

Well.........I'm an optimist :)

[morguana]

optimistic is good maria, join the club! :)
life is what we make of it......simple
the path is uncut and is ready to be found, felt and walked, just takes a person to believe
thx shiva for this vid

[14april2000]

I created a thread on at the icke board in the The Awakening / What we Can Do section.

With the Titel : Could awakening be used to create a world gov?

Could global awakening be used to by the elite to established there wish for one world goverment?

I believe it`s a huge part of there plans.

It was deleted in less when 10 seconds.

[Niobe]

How would they use global awakening?

[Bill Ryan]

Hi there -

We at the Avalon Forum have no connection with the David Icke forum, and do not know any of the moderators there.

If a post "was deleted within 10 seconds" this would certainly be a technical problem... no moderator could react that fast.

If I were you I would simply assume it was a software error and post your contribution again - and see what happens. Sometimes there is no conspiracy when it's easy to assume that there may be one.

With best wishes, Bill

[jack]

Post it again and see what happens.

Keep us updated

[morguana]

And? I have to say that what goes on with regards to other forums isn't a concern of mine, smacks of gossip....however op if you want to discuss the topic of global elite and new age movement then fine, best start with more than just a sentence, isn't really a opening for debate. Also you may like to find a thread talking about infilteration of new age movement and see what has already been chatted about.
M

[morguana]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2315-The-infiltration-of-the-New-Age-Movement-and-Andrija-Puharich

might be a thread for you to take a look?

[Operator]

Could global awakening be used to by the elite to established there wish for one world government ?

I think this is an important question ... IMHO the short answer is definitely yes. I will take the question into the thread I started here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7034-Truth-or-dare-...-Do-we-dare-to-see-the-truth

and answer in more detail there ...

[Lost Soul]

I wish the original poster on the Icke forum would git their english raight. It's hard to read and figure it out what they're saying.

[Zook]

Hi 14april2000,


I created a thread on at the icke board in the The Awakening / What we Can Do section.
With the Titel : Could awakening be used to create a world gov?
Could global awakening be used to by the elite to established there wish for one world goverment?
I believe it`s a huge part of there plans.
It was deleted in less when 10 seconds.

If you have concerns about being censored (whether those concerns are legitimate or not, is a separate issue), why raise it here on Bill's forum? Bill and David, as best as I can discern, are good friends. IMHO, it's not cricket to use Bill's forum to cast aspersions against David's ... any more would it be cricket if someone had used David's forum to cast aspersions against Avalon. That's quintessential TPTB methodology: divide the sheep and combine the wool.

I hope you take my comment in the best way; for I can't believe you would knowingly want to come between friends.

:tea:

[AlphaZebra]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/n1uMC2a0e30/2.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1uMC2a0e30&feature=youtube_gdata)
FR - David Icke: RACE HUMAINE, RELEVE-TOI ! (VOSTFR) - Mai 2010 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1uMC2a0e30&feature=youtube_gdata)

Dans cette interview à bâtons rompus avec Bill Ryan, David Icke expose ses vues sur les illusions du monde supposément solide dans lequel nous évoluons, les temps difficiles vers lesquels nous nous dirigeons, les manipulations basées sur toutes sortes de sentiments d'insécurité auxquels nous sommes soumis, mais aussi le formidable potentiel de transformation que tout cela représente. Il présente également ses vues originales sur notre lune et sur celles de Saturne. Et puis il évoque abondamment tout le système de contrôle à la Big Brother mis progressivement en place aux quatre coins de la planète, les dérives pédophiles et même les sacrifices d'enfants d'une certaine élite « illuminati » qui selon lui, y puise sa force de perversion et d'insatiable soif de contrôle et de pouvoir.

David Icke nous offre cependant un vibrant plaidoyer de libération de l'homme en cette période troublée. « Si nous prenons du recul et que nous nous focalisons sur Je suis conscience infinie [et le nom que je porte n'est jamais que mon expérience], alors cette époque de défis dans laquelle nous entrons sera bien plus facile parce que nous aurons sur ce qui se passe une perspective totalement différente. »

A propos des émeutes et de la guerre : « Où cela nous a-t-il menés ? Nulle part car on devient ce contre quoi on se bat. Vous savez, si vous pensez que répondre à l'agression par l'agression va faire avancer les choses... »

A propos de la soumission à l'autorité : « Et quand les populations en général sont soumises ou qu'elles ont peur de défier l'autorité, alors par définition, c'est le système de contrôle qui se met en place. » (...) « Par contre, si nous bougeons et déclarons que c'en est assez, c'est la dynamique tout entière qui commence à changer.
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[Celine]

why does the text seem to be in french.. but not?

"Dans cette interview à bâtons rompus avec Bill Ryan, David Icke expose ses vues sur les illusions du monde supposément solide dans lequel nous évoluons, les temps difficiles vers lesquels nous nous dirigeons, les manipulations basées sur toutes sortes de sentiments d'insécurité "

[Olam]

Celine, its the same as if you used a "é" in Céline.......some web formats don't put the accent and it confuses the software. Something like that...

[Eric J (Viking)]

Translation...

In this interview with Bill Ryan desultory, David Icke exposes his views on the delusions of the supposedly solid world in which we operate, the hard times to which we are going, all based on manipulation kinds of feelings of insecurity which we are subjected, but also the tremendous transformative potential that this represents. He also has his original views on our moon and those of Saturn. And then he speaks extensively throughout the control system to the Big Brother gradually established at the four corners of the planet drifts pedophiles and even child sacrifice some elite "Illuminati" which he said draws its strength from perversion and insatiable thirst for power and control. David Icke, however we offer a heartfelt plea for release of rights in this troubled time. "If we stand back and that we focus on I am infinite consciousness [and the name I bear is never my experience], then the challenging times we are entering will be well easier because we will have on what happens a totally different perspective. At about the rioting and war: "Where are we conducted there? Nowhere because it is against which we fight. You know, if you think that answering aggression with aggression will make a difference ... "About the submission to authority:" And when people in general are or they are afraid to challenge authority, then by definition, c is the control system which is taking place. "(...)" By cons, if we move and declare that enough is enough, it's the whole dynamic that begins to change. "

vikiing

[Celine]

Ahh d'accord...

i have been waiting a VERY long time for the techies of this forum to put the accent on my E..

thank you for the explanation

[Snowy Owl]

Bonjour Alpha Zebra afin d'éviter cet amalgame de signe imcompréhensible je vous suggère de le copier sur Word et ensuite de recopier votre texte word sur ce forum. Ca fonctionne presque à tout coup en tout cas avec moi, votre synthaxe semble être Québécoise es-ce le cas?

Merci

Harfang des Neiges

[Celine]

ummm.. Project Avalon System bot?

[Celine]

Bonjour Alpha Zebra afin d'éviter cet amalgame de signe imcompréhensible je vous suggère de le copier sur Word et ensuite de recopier votre texte word sur ce forum. Ca fonctionne presque à tout coup en tout cas avec moi, votre synthaxe semble être Québécoise es-ce le cas?

Merci

Harfang des Neiges


Pas quebecois... FR veut dire France

[Richard]

why does the text seem to be in french.. but not?

"Dans cette interview à bâtons rompus avec Bill Ryan, David Icke expose ses vues sur les illusions du monde supposément solide dans lequel nous évoluons, les temps difficiles vers lesquels nous nous dirigeons, les manipulations basées sur toutes sortes de sentiments d'insécurité "

lol, fixed

[Richard]

Bonjour Alpha Zebra afin d'éviter cet amalgame de signe imcompréhensible je vous suggère de le copier sur Word et ensuite de recopier votre texte word sur ce forum. Ca fonctionne presque à tout coup en tout cas avec moi, votre synthaxe semble être Québécoise es-ce le cas?

Merci

Harfang des Neiges

Bonjour Harfang lol, Alphazebra is a rss feed from youtube and not an actual live member.

Merci pour votre assistance ;)

[East Sun]

I just tried to log on to David Icke and got a Not Found page.
Anyone have this happen?

[Celine]

Yes, its down for maintenance for a couple hours

[East Sun]

Thanks Celine, I was concerned for a while. Always ready for a time when tptb start their antics.

[MariaDine]

From David Icke site comes this article. Something is wrong with our Moon ?
-------------

'An increasing number of people around the world have witnessed amazing changes in the location of Sun rise and set in summer and winter. Apparently this is being caused by the earth moving below the old ecliptic plane in summer and above it in winter!

The moon is also playing rodeo all over the sky....and the media says nothing.

I have read of reports (as yet unsubstantiated) that a "gag order" is in place and professionals dealing with the subject have had to sign non-disclosure agreements regarding these facts.

The Inuit peoples of the high arctic have published several stories regarding the changes in sun position at their locations and were told by a meteorologist that it is an "optical phenomenon unique to the extremely high horizon".

Yet these changes are visible all over the world. Ordinary citizens from all over the world are reporting their observations regarding the sun and moon changing their positions in the sky. And we're not just talking inches here.

The changes are amazing to say the least! The furthest north the sun traditionally appeared for thousands of years, was the tropic of cancer which passes through central mexico, yet now, at the beginning of summer, it can be witnessed to rise in the direction of maine and set in the direction of seattle.'

Read more: HUGE Media Blackout Regarding Earth and Moon Orbital Changes?


http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/39999-huge-media-blackout-regarding-earth-and-moon-orbital-changes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otqiRZ-KvSk&feature=player_embedded#!

[MariaDine]

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/229/227/HUGE_media_blackout_regarding_Earth_and_Moon_orbital_changes.html

HUGE media blackout regarding Earth and Moon orbital changes?


Unprecedented Earth changes are taking place at this time.

L.A. had a record cool summer and a few days after summer is over, they shoot up to a record high 113 degrees. Parts of Brazil and Bolivia shattered record cold temps and were colder than Antarctica for much of July, killing millions of fish, and many alligators and fresh water dolphins! Weather is going crazy around the world and all the mainstream media talks about is "climate change" "global warming"...etc. But they won't touch upon the True Cause, because for them it is too alarming.

An increasing number of people around the world have witnessed amazing changes in the location of Sun rise and set in summer and winter. Apparently this is being caused by the earth moving below the old ecliptic plane in summer and above it in winter! The moon is also playing rodeo all over the sky....and the media says nothing. I have read of reports (as yet unsubstantiated) that a "gag order" is in place and professionals dealing with the subject have had to sign non-disclosure agreements regarding these facts. The Inuit peoples of the high arctic have published several stories regarding the changes in sun position at their locations and were told by a meteorologist that it is an "optical phenomenon unique to the extremely high horizon". Yet these changes are visible all over the world. Ordinary citizens from all over the world are reporting their observations regarding the sun and moon changing their positions in the sky. And we're not just talking inches here. The changes are amazing to say the least! The furthest north the sun traditionally appeared for thousands of years, was the tropic of cancer which passes through central mexico, yet now, at the beginning of summer, it can be witnessed to rise in the direction of maine and set in the direction of seattle.

And according to the universities, the highest latitude that the moon reaches, is 28.5 degrees, yet for the last couple years at least, it has transgressed that number by a significant margin! One can watch the moon rise low in the south east and set in the southwest, at least from my position at 40 degrees north in the midwest U.S. and then, within two weeks time, it will rise high in the northeast and set in the northwest, far north of 28.5 degrees.



According to WIRED magazine and others, scientists are perplexed at the mysterious high tides, and reports of "giant rogue waves" coming out of the clear blue, and Tsunami are on the increase, as are earthquakes in populated areas around the world. Changes in the sun are being documented at a dizzying pace these days as well, and on the same day that a large asteroid hit jupiter this summer, something impacted Venus. These were observed on the same day!

One can easily observe the sun rising too far north in summer and too far south in winter and these changes are, themselves, in a state of change.

I have assembled a long list of reputable sources of information in support of my observations and those of others, that these events are indeed taking place.





God's Word reveals:

There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28

As a reader of 'Before it's news', I just thought that those among your readers who are interested, should have the opportunity to research these things for themselves.



TS



UPDATE:

Tracking huge global changes, as I have been doing for quite awhile now, I've seen various 'cause and effect' relationships between certain phenomenon. One example is that as the moon nears it's new northern limit each month, a large earthquake occurs, usually in the southern hemisphere. I have informed readers at various locations on the net to be aware of this relationship, which seems to be occurring rather like clockwork as of late. As of this writing, I have documented 4 examples of this apparent relationship, including the Christ Church New Zealand quake, and the 7.7 quake which just occurred. The rise and descent angles of the moon at it's northern most point, which it is nearing as we speak, tell a strange story indeed. For if one projects an imaginary arc continuing down below the horizon upon moon rise and set, in accordance with it's visible ascent/descent vectors, one can clearly see that the moon is not orbiting the center mass of the planet at this time. This spiraling orbit seems to have been set in motion as earth's orbit rises above the old ecliptic plane in winter and dips slightly below it in summer. It is at these times, start of winter and summer, that the moon would have been influenced to begin orbiting in the manner currently being displayed, which also would account for the sun rising and setting so far north in summer and south in winter. Think of how miniscule the change in earth orbit would have to be for us to witness a major change in latitude for sun rise/set, commensurate with changes in rise/set angles, which are surely what seem to be occurring at this time!

I kept track of the sun last summer, from my position at 40 degrees north latitude in the midwest U.S. . For almost a month or so, a couple weeks before and after June 21st, I could watch the sun rise at an odd angle roughly in the direction of Maine, and descend at the same strange angle toward sunset, roughly in the direction of seattle. What really piqued my interest was that the sun's after glow was visible well after sundown and this eerie glow proceeded northward and was quite visible until about 1:30AM disappearing until about 3:30AM as the glow crossed beneath the north pole, then began to glow brighter and brighter until the sun popped up in the north east.

This seems to be a sure indicator that earth's orbit has changed and is moving above the old ecliptic plane in winter, and below it in summer! Such activity would also account for the moon's new orbital track, initiated at winter or summer solstice and exacerbated at those points in earth's orbit. These changes are constantly in flux due to an intimidating number of cosmic/physics variables!

As the moon reaches it's monthly northern limit over the next few days, pay particular attention to it's rise and set angles, it's apparent planar traversing arc, and you will see that it clearly cannot be orbiting the earth's center mass. As one waits a couple weeks or so and views it's orbit at it's southern extreme, one may realize that it does not take a physics expert to determine that the moon's orbit has changed considerably. It is orbiting in a 'spiral' fashion, rising and setting WELL north of the old northern maximum declination of 28.5 degrees north latitude. Notice on the university chart below, how far the moon USED to travel (north and south) over the course of an entire year. Look up and notice how far north and south it now swings in a single month, and how far north of the old maximum of 28.5 degrees north it rises and sets once a month.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I agree something is going on with the Moon and Sun from my own observations here in the UK. The Sun rises and sets significantly differently and i don't believe that this can be explained by precession of the equinoxes etc. The only problem i have is i can imagine the scientific community being silenced about this but surely with all the thousands of amateur astronomers out there someone would have come forward with concrete evidence. I am no expert on such matters but have noticed this change myself. cheers,

[witchy1]

Please Google - "Late Harvest Moon BHM" and wade through 5 pages of prolific evidence of these events now taking place.

Dont bother searching google for "Late Harvest Moon BHM" I got sick of looking after 24 pages!!!!!!!!!
The pages are full of telling people to "Please Google - "Late Harvest Moon BHM" and wade through 5 pages of prolific evidence of these events now taking place."

If anyone has the real link please let me know. What a frustrating waste of time

[bluestflame]

maybe all the planets in this system are having reduced magnetic poles and are interacting with each other differently

[jcocks]

Can't find anything on the net on it other than the link posted. But, I have noticed this with my own eyes. The moon usually rises at end of our street in the early evening. Last year I noticed a few days where it had risen behind the house behind ours. I couldn't for the life of me figure out why.

I haven't noticed anything untoward as yet this year but will keep my eyes open and let you guys know if I notice anything strange......

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello guys,

While myself have noticed the moon not rising where it used to I am asking myself it this would be an abnormal trajectory wouldn't all the amateur astronomer start fires on the net? Main stream media may say nothing but what about all the people hat have a hobby to gaze at the stars.... they should have observed that they need to change the telescope position to follow the moon... and it were strange it would be all over the net.

[steve_a]

Hi Everyone,

It appears that this story has had many manifestations over the months, the earliest one being in September: http://geology.rockbandit.net/2010/03/01/has-there-been-an-increase-in-earthquake-activity/ It was from this reference (the last post in the messages column) that I came across this link: http://www.divulgence.net/ which could explain some of what is going on. It does seem to dwell on climate change, I agree we're having climate change but not global warming because of CO2, so you should take from the site what you will.

In any case there are several versions out there of 'Google "late harvest moon bhm"' out there which at times uses a different passage of the scripture, and that does seem to suggest that either a lot of people are wanting to jump on the band wagon and claim the article as theirs, or someone is sending out different versions to try and spread the story out amongst the search engines (a typical ploy to get our articles out to far and wide ;-) ). I also suggest something afoot as they suggest to Google a search term, when they could just give a direct link / s to what they want us to see.

By the way the harvest moon was late last year: http://www.space.com/spacewatch/091002-harvest-moon.html but that was predicted and normal.

Best regards,

Steve

[Humble Janitor]

While I haven't hardly noticed the moon too much, I have noticed that the old axiom of "Longer nights, shorter days" for the fall/winter is no longer true. The sun should not be up at 6:45am but for some reason, that's how early it rises. Granted, that's not accounting for daylight savings.

Then again, I see the link title and my prejudice against Sorcha Faal rears its' ugly head.

[Humble Janitor]

Thanks for the divulgence link, Steve A. It seems like doom and gloom at first but it's mandatory reading for any member of this forum. We need to have an idea of where these earth changes may take us so that we may prepare.

[Ammit]

Hate to say "I told you so". I started a few threads in the past Avalon forum and one recently on this new Avalon regarding the way the moon looks different, almost as though it had revolved to the left as I look at it in the UK by about 20 degrees.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4032-Is-the-moon-on-a-different-angle

Also, I noticed last night that Orion rose lower, it is usually just above my roof and now it almost cant be seen from the same spot.

I have to say magnetic north still seems around the same place, Its just all above that seems to have moved around...

Ammit

[TimeRazor]

This thread is some evidence that indeed some rather dramatic changes have occurred with the orbit of the moon. All of your observations are appreciated as I too have noticed the moon hanging around where it did not seem to normally be at close to the same time each night, and the position seemed odd.

[MariaDine]

Fact... The moon is tidally locked by earth's gravity and can not jump around the sky, even a little bit. The changes in the orbit of the earth around the sun are measured in millimeters per year, and it would take literally millions of years for humans to notice a difference. The idea that scientists all around the world could have a universal gag order placed on them seems, to me, a fantasy.

If the sun changed positions in the sky enough to be noticeable to humans, it would have a catastrophic effect on earth in terms of both climate, weather, and its revolution.

So, my conclusion..., avalonian friends, is that one must keep our «eyes» open...either way . And try to «see» through the Info presented to us.

Love
MD

[Ammit]

Fact... is something that changes over time, 1500`s the earth was flat, fact..
I think we all need an open mind as to what we are fed over the years as fact and fiction as Collumbus found out, not everything is what it seems...

[MariaDine]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-march-1-2010/neil-degrasse-tyson


about the discovery of water on the Moon...and more...

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Some interesting videos for you , Ammit . Love MD


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNxgm3tdG0&feature=related



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HghEBxHvgg

[Bill Ryan]

Fact... The moon is tidally locked by earth's gravity and can not jump around the sky, even a little bit. The changes in the orbit of the earth around the sun are measured in millimeters per year, and it would take literally millions of years for humans to notice a difference. The idea that scientists all around the world could have a universal gag order placed on them seems, to me, a fantasy.

If the sun changed positions in the sky enough to be noticeable to humans, it would have a catastrophic effect on earth in terms of both climate, weather, and its revolution.

So, my conclusion..., avalonian friends, is that one must keep our «eyes» open...either way . And try to «see» through the Info presented to us.

Love
MD

I have to agree. I'm mildly bothered by what quite a few people have reported about (e.g.) the sun rising and setting where it's not meant to be, but what MD states is correct as best I know: if all that huge cosmic machinery started to shift around even to a small extent, we'd certainly know about it in no uncertain way.

I present the following as a curiosity with no judgment or conclusion attached.

A couple of years ago (before Dan Burisch was 'taken back' in summer 2009 and became grossly unreliable), I asked Dan for his opinion about what some insisted was a sort of "slow pole shift". I referenced the reports about the sun setting in different places - etc.

His response was fascinating. He said that as best as he understood, these reports were correctly observed but what was really happening was a kind of physical optical illusion due to light rays being refracted by some unusual quality of space that we were passing through.

The above is my paraphrase (not a quote from Dan), but I got what he was saying. I asked him for more information, because I was more than interested, and this seemed very highly strange (and very highly important, if true).

I have some physics background, but I could not understand how this could work. Normally light is only bent in space by very strong gravitational fields (e.g. passing close to a star or a black hole).

His response was that he had a limited understanding of the complex physics involved - which in some way involved a distortion of space and time, and he would have to consult a Majestic physicist for a better explanation. That never arrived...

[JoshERTW]

...I could not understand how this could work. Normally light is only bent in space by very strong gravitational fields (e.g. passing close to a star or a black hole)

Bill, you've got me thinking - It may be true that light is only "bent," as in pulled away in a parabolic sense, in the presence of massive gravity, but Light is refracted at a specific angle anytime it goes from one media (i.e. substance - like air, water, cheese) to another - with the angle dependent on the differences between the media involved.

Think of what happens to your hand when you put it in a pool of water, it looks distorted, but if your eyes are also under the water, it looks normal, since your frame of reference is from within the same media as what you are observing.

Perhaps then the changes people have noticed is a change of media between where we are and where the moon/sun is - i.e. perhaps something chemically or energentically in our atmosphere or perhaps even in the "space" in between our atmosphere and the moon/sun? This would also indicate that the "change" is occuring outside of the media in which we reside.

Thoughts?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Edit - I have also felt something was different in the sun/moon cycles for a few months now - though I couldn't quite put my finger on it in a mathematical sense, as its not like I kept careful records of my observations. This thread is actually the first place I've read about it too, so I don't think I was imagining things dues to suggestion.

[Rocky_Shorz]

just a note, I have a keychain compass that no longer points to north...

the dial is still floating so I'm at a lost what changed after it worked perfect for so many years

[shadowstalker]

wasn't there a recent magnetic pole shift or something this past year, due to the chili earthquake?
Wouldn't that make changes in what we see out there? which includes the bending of light?

[morguana]

i am going to stick with what my buddy knows, he intercepts the signals from out there (career with euro space thingy) and makes sence of them......
so nothing is wrong with the moon imho, shes just fine, if you dont believe me just ask her
so here is a song for luna, whom is as beautifull and fine as ever and hasnt drasticaly moved or anything of the sorts ;)

moondance van morrison

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNsmF9JTpuI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNsmF9JTpuI

m

[Swami]

Earth and Moon


Usually when you see wacky space pictures, the Moon is unrealistically close to the Earth. What's up with that?

I wanted to get a better sense of exactly how the Earth and Moon would appear from an observer in space.

Here's a small version of the image. I used texture maps of the surface of the Earth and Moon that I found on the Internet. The relative sizes of the two objects and the distance between them should be accurate.

In the picture, the observer is 350,000 miles away from the Earth and the Moon, which are 250,000 miles apart.

http://www.traipse.com/earth_and_moon/earth_and_moon_800.jpg


It's kinda trippy to stare at this image and then think about what the guys in the Apollo space program did. They went all the way over there, no really. They went that far away from the nearest McDonald's.

More here: http://www.traipse.com/earth_and_moon/

[witchy1]

Would a black hole alter the way we see things in space if it was close enough to earth (ie.e bend the light so creating an optical illusion) ??????????????????.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Would a black hole alter the way we see things in space if it was close enough to earth (ie.e bend the light so creating an optical illusion) ??????????????????.

It sure would. But i think if a black hole were close enough to cause the optical distortion mentioned the moon appearing different would be the least of our problems !!! lol

[Ki's]

Ok folks, speaking as a tall ship sailor with a nodding acquaintance of celestial navigation (and some chatter with past shipmates now scattered around the globe) I can assure you all that everything (so far) is still where it is supposed to be.

[Mandala]

I watched all 12 parts of the first half. I found it excellent. These first 12 parts deal with reality, how we decode it, energy fields, holograms, time. DNA, and the brain.

He used visuals and analogies that made everything easy to comprehend. I can hardly wait to see part 2.

I hope you find it informative.

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[Metaphor]

Tanks. I was looking for some infotainment for this sutarday evening, and you supplied the solution. ;-)

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I was to say Thanks. Not tanks, hehe. Hey mods!!! The editing function seems to lag. It takes ages to save an edit. I am the only one experiencing this? You may delete this reply once read.

[Mandala]

Metaphor, I'm just now starting to watch Part 2. I'll let you know how it is. I think he gets to the "Reptillians" in this part.

[Mandala]

Just finished all 15 parts of part 2. I thought it was even better than part one.
I knew most, but he helped connect the dots. I couldn't help but sigh a couple of times because most of it resonated with me. Some of it was maddening, but I knew it was true. It simply made sense. If it is your first time hearing this, it might be overwhelming.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djr5686eJ88&feature=related

[Metaphor]

I realise i saw this earlier when it just got up on youtube, so what do you think Mandala? Pretty entertaining man, this David Icke, if it wasn´t that it is so serious on would mistake him for a stand up comedian (that being said in the most positive way) because this fellow really knows how to keep an audience interested, though he keeps talking for hours and hours.

[onawah]

Tanks. I was looking for some infotainment for this sutarday evening, and you supplied the solution. ;-)

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I was to say Thanks. Not tanks, hehe. Hey mods!!! The editing function seems to lag. It takes ages to save an edit. I am the only one experiencing this? You may delete this reply once read.

I'm not a Mod, but if you click on "Go Advanced" it will save your edits much faster, though there is an additional step to take.

[Metaphor]

I'm not a Mod, but if you click on "Go Advanced" it will save your edits much faster, though there is an additional step to take.

Thanks onawah :-)

[Fredkc]

I'm not a mod either ;)
But Onawah is right. If you are using "Avalon Breeze", for instance, the "Edit Post" Save button sorta kinda goes out to lunch, when you click it.

Known problem we picked up after the latest forum software upgrade.

Trick is to click "Edit Post", and then "Go Advanced".
Make your changes and the "Save" button there will do the trick.

Yes, it's on the list.
Fred

[Ahkenaten]

Just finished watching the two David Icke Brixton segments. For the most part I can identify the sources of his information. While I do not necessarily agree with everything he says or all the conclusions he draws I must admit that he does have a very compelling way of presenting the material and makes a strong case for his point of view. I thank David Icke for tying many threads together and serving the important goal of waking people up. Overall, good job David Icke!

[scootiep]

I realise i saw this earlier when it just got up on youtube, so what do you think Mandala? Pretty entertaining man, this David Icke, if it wasn´t that it is so serious on would mistake him for a stand up comedian (that being said in the most positive way) because this fellow really knows how to keep an audience interested, though he keeps talking for hours and hours.

Hi Metaphor,

I went to see David on september 11th this year at the brixton academy, although his talks do go on for hours I HIGHLY recommended anyone to go and see him and experience his talks.

I respect his work although sometimes he can be kinder on the negative side (sometimes you do need this to kick peoples bums) but I do admire his work and this talk was really good.

If you haven't seen his talks live then you should really go and support him.

Scott

[AlphaZebra]

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Mai 2010 (EN) /Décembre 2010 (FR) - David Icke et Jordan Maxwell en conversation à propos de l'agenda pour le contrôle de la planète Terre, se retrouvant pour la première fois en 15 ans.
Une interview de Bill Ryan

http://projectavalon.net/lang/fr/david_icke_jordan_maxwell_brothers_in_arms_fr.html

[AlphaZebra]

ZN-CN - David Icke 访谈-人类,站起来吧

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1-xv5Vg3cc
David Icke详谈新时代的到来，信息架构的原理；月球的秘密，蜥蜴人的阴谋，压制全人类的控制体系如何运作 等。

[heyokah]

: ) Was it this what you meant to post ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1-xv5Vg3cc

[AlphaZebra]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QKE92QIvLo
PL - David Icke Interview - Feb 2009 - Polish subtitles

www.projectavalon.net
www.projectcamelot.org

[irishspirit]

MOD'S, if you do not wosh for this link to be here, please remove thread.

Irish

http://www.fileserve.com/file/d5gQPrS

[ZZZ]

I have seen the same 'strange' nightly moons over the past month or so. The moon seems to wax/wane on the top/bottom vs the left/right sides, just as is shown in his video. I just don't ever remember seeing the moon's shadow half like that.

G





http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/39999-huge-media-blackout-regarding-earth-and-moon-orbital-changes

[HeatherJJAnderson]

The moon is in a stable orbit. It is not going anywhere, it is space itself that is changing and needs to looked at more closely. Ancient technology does not use Super-Luminal travel, that is truly an ancient and ineffective mode of transportation.
Event Horizon was an important film because it got the premise right.

[dan33]

Even without a direct relationship with what you say, the book "Regina" by Vicente Blasco Piña, among other things, speaks of the ritual was done in 1968 in the lunar pyramid in Mexico, in order to block, for a few months, the influence of the moon on earth and also change the heart's chakra from Tibet to Mexico.
Saludos
Daniel

[Ernie Nemeth]

Would a black hole alter the way we see things in space if it was close enough to earth (ie.e bend the light so creating an optical illusion) ??????????????????.

I agree a black hole would be disasterous if it was in our neighbourhood. But if it was the close approach of Nibiru/Wormwood/PlanetX/Dwarf Star/Nemesis/Sun's twin - well that's another matter entirely.

[happyexpat]

I find this to be a fascinating topic. Where the sun rises and sets has definitely changed here. We've been actively noticing for about six months or so. Definitely completely different from last winter. It seemed to rise much farther south earlier than ever before, and still seems to set close to due west. This is easy to notice because there is a big building blocking the sun and to see the sun rise south of the building was quite strange to see happen weeks earlier than just last winter.

Now I'm going to have to see what's up with the moon. :)

Now as for magnetic north, this house used to face magnetic north. When you stand in front of the house with a compass, it does not point north anymore. Is it the magnetic pole or electromagnetic interference from man-made junk? Couldn't tell ya. All I can tell you is the compass is definitely different.

That's it for my bits on this one! :)

[Wesly]

October 20 2011 I saw a craft tracking the moon across the night sky. It was a glowing brite white and very round.
A few years ago I had gone camping when a gentelman from another camping spot came over and pointed out a craft in the
sky, We both packed quickly and left for it appeared the craft was 75 feet away. As the craft got close to the full moon
I stop to watch it pass by the moon. It did not pass infront of the moon it passed behind the moon. I looked at the edge of
moon and followed the edge of the moon all the way across to make sure that what I was seeing was real. I estimated
the craft at 2000 miles in lenght. I beleave the moon is being moved by this civilisation.

[slipknotted]

what are the chances with all the possibility's of are universe that when we have a eclipse that the moon is the same size as the sun ? think about that ! the moon is not what we think nothing is anymore and we all know that we just need to feel it.

[Rufs]

Pointed out nicely - Thanks!

Rufs

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Fact... The moon is tidally locked by earth's gravity and can not jump around the sky, even a little bit. The changes in the orbit of the earth around the sun are measured in millimeters per year, and it would take literally millions of years for humans to notice a difference. The idea that scientists all around the world could have a universal gag order placed on them seems, to me, a fantasy.

If the sun changed positions in the sky enough to be noticeable to humans, it would have a catastrophic effect on earth in terms of both climate, weather, and its revolution.

So, my conclusion..., avalonian friends, is that one must keep our «eyes» open...either way . And try to «see» through the Info presented to us.

Love
MD

Pointed out nicely - Thanks!

Rufs

[firstlook]

...I could not understand how this could work. Normally light is only bent in space by very strong gravitational fields (e.g. passing close to a star or a black hole)

Bill, you've got me thinking - It may be true that light is only "bent," as in pulled away in a parabolic sense, in the presence of massive gravity, but Light is refracted at a specific angle anytime it goes from one media (i.e. substance - like air, water, cheese) to another - with the angle dependent on the differences between the media involved.

Think of what happens to your hand when you put it in a pool of water, it looks distorted, but if your eyes are also under the water, it looks normal, since your frame of reference is from within the same media as what you are observing.

Perhaps then the changes people have noticed is a change of media between where we are and where the moon/sun is - i.e. perhaps something chemically or energentically in our atmosphere or perhaps even in the "space" in between our atmosphere and the moon/sun? This would also indicate that the "change" is occuring outside of the media in which we reside.

Thoughts?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Edit - I have also felt something was different in the sun/moon cycles for a few months now - though I couldn't quite put my finger on it in a mathematical sense, as its not like I kept careful records of my observations. This thread is actually the first place I've read about it too, so I don't think I was imagining things dues to suggestion.

Very interesting thoughts. Thankyou

[king anthony]

If I may refer to one personal example: in the middle of the night last summer, I was travelling west on a highway: 43.59'09.17" N and 79.46'55.50" W. The moon appeared to be massive in the sky, as if you could reach out and touch it - I cannot describe it. As I was driving, I attempted to take a photo of it with my phone; however, it really didn't turn out. I've notice odd things about the moon... for me, these things are interesting, however! There are global shifts going on; notice reports of more airports being temporarily closed for recalibration lately?

[Providence]

I am very happy to see that someone else saw the moon in this phase. One night last week I stepped outside and looked up at the moon and what i saw bothered me, the moon was 2/3 shadowed, but not in the east-west orientation as I have always known it to be, but rather it was in a north-south configuration. I really thought that I was witnessing a lunar eclipse. I came back inside and searched the internet for scheduled lunar eclipses and found nothing on this date, or even close for that matter. I tried to find anything that would give me a logical reason for what I saw but came up empty.
I was born and raised in Kentucky, and I don't know what this means, but I don't ever remember seeing this type of thing during my lifetime. I was, and still am, very bothered by what I saw. And I thought there would be some explanation in the media, but I found nothing about this phenomenon, and the silence just made me question myself and my perception of the event.
Thank you so much for this posting!

[Unified Serenity]

Here is a side note. I would like some feedback from our female members on this or male members who can ask female friends and not get smacked! My monthly cycle has been very erratic the last 3 months. My cycle matched perfectly with the moons cycle. Then I stopped for two months and now this month is started again very heavily. (Not trying to be graphic just factual). Women are keenly linked to the moon, and the tidal pull.

Are any other women experiencing something being off kilter a bit?

[DianeKJ]

I have not noticed anything with the moon, but definitely something with the sun.

In my backyard I had a gazebo with a canvas shade top. During the summer the sun would set on one side and it would be blazing hot and I was unable to enjoy being there during the last hours of the day. So I hung another canvas like tarp as a wall on one side of the gazebo to block the setting sun and provide shade. I would roll it up and down, depending on the time of day.

I didn't need to use it this past summer, at all! The sun was completely different. I have no explanation for this. The original canopy/gazebo was bolted to a deck, so that couldn't have shifted, even a little bit. No tree issues that could change that so dramatcally either. I was completely stumped. but it appeared to me as if the sun was setting lower on the horizon to where the home behind me blocked the rays during that time of day.

It's really kind of crazy to think about and I haven't mentioned this to anyone before, because well it makes no sense. It is certainly bizarre.
-Do

[Satori]

I have noticed in the past year or two that the moon does not appear to be going through its phases in the same manner as it did all of my life. I am 60 years old. I have been keeping an eye on the sun, moon and constellations for 30 or so years, as a layperson who simply enjoys with a sense of awe the wonder of it all.

In the past several years it seems to me the heavenly bodies are not acting as they used to act. For instance, I learned to tell whether the moon was waxing full or waning towards a new moon by the word DOC. If the moon was waxing full, it would be curved to the right side giving the appearance of a D. When if was full it was a O, and when it was waning it was curved to the left side, giving the appearence of a C. Hence DOC.

Now, as the creator of this thread illustrates, when the moon is waxing full, it is no longer a D. It is more like a U. Then an O, then an upside down U. (Sorry I don't have a symbol to show an upside down U.)

I live in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

P.S. I also have noticed starting 4 or 5 years ago that the time of year in which the seasons change has been shifting. We in the USA think of Winter in Dec-Feb, Spring in March-May, Summer in June-Aug, and Fall in Sept-Nov. In my view I'd move the seasons 1 to 2 months later. E.g. Winter Jan/Feb-March/April. Spring April/May-June/July. etc...

I wonder if there is any connection between my sense of this and the recent revelation that the Zodiac signs may be off by 1 to 2 months.

[Zaradia]

I haven't been watching the moon, however, I do watch the sun. Every morning, I start my meditation by looking at the sun shine through my lace curtains. Correction, I used to be able to look at the sun in the morning. I can no longer see it through that window in the morning, because it is now rising further north.