To my knowledge there are no real Free Energy devices

[Cristian]

Does anyone here know of a easy to build guide for a free energy device? It must be cost effective meaning no more than $500-$1000 worth of raw material to make it and it must be something that someone who has no engineering experience can put together. I have found some but there really difficult to understand. If anyone in the community has an answer please let me know. Thanks in advance.

applecrusher,

To my knowledge there are no such devices .

Not only free energy violates physics as we understand it now, but from my observations , people who claim they built such devices are either after your money or in most cases they simply don’t understand what are they talking about.
I think cheap and abundant energy is the key, not free energy. Cold fusion may be an answer. Solar energy is your best bet at the moment.

This free energy thing got so out of hand almost like a mass ascension date. Same pattern from the mind and ego…
How about we try to improve the technologies we understand now and only speculate about the possibility of free energy?



Gravity is not caused by mass, neither is radioactivity.
[…]
Those huge atomic reactions are governed by the cosmic rays, and not the mass.
[…]
Humanity is given two choices, to be destroyed by their liberation (cosmic ray nuclear technology) or to destroy each other by their confinement, imprisonment and so-called energy crisis (the suppression of cosmic ray nuclear technology).
[…]


You are still not making any sense to me and you are still to explain and PROVE the extraordinary claims you have made.

[D-Day]

Hi chris82,

Any chance I could get you to watch the below video presentatoin on anti-gravity and free energy by Stan Deyo?

You may find some of the ideas and concepts he discusses in the video worthwhile and interesting.

I realise the presentation is a little lengthy (at 1hr 10 mins), but if you can make the time to watch it in its enrirety it might just open your eyes to some new possibilities.

Your call, but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts (post viewiing) it if you do decide to take a peek.

The anti-grav stuff he goes into, while not specifically related to free energy technology, is still interrelated as you will find out if you watch the video... he does kinda tie it all in together as he preogresses through thte presentation.

In any case, here 'tis...

Stan Deyo - Antigravity & Free Energy
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[Bill Ryan]

To my knowledge there are no such devices.


Here's one: :)

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_John_Bedini_free_energy_generator_1.jpg

[eaglespirit]

...and a few more

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46312-Tap-on-Tap-off-the-tapper.&p=615608&viewfull=1#post615608

[RMorgan]

Hey mate,

I´m yet to see any free energy device that really works as well, with proper energy input and output measurements taken by an independent and unbiased group.

I´ve seen many misunderstood gadgets or concepts being called free energy devices and, of course, a few scams as well.

However, I believe it´s just a matter of time until we figure it out.

Maybe we´re close...Let´s see what will happen with Keshe´s device and the e-cat device...Both seem promising, but I´ll believe them only when I see them working in practical energy generating situations.

Raf.

[Cristian]

Your call, but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts (post viewiing) it if you do decide to take a peek.


will do :)

[Cristian]

To my knowledge there are no such devices.


Here's one: :)


Is there a thread i missed about this device Bill? If not ,can you please provide a short description ? Thanks :)

L.E.

I found it :)


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One listener wrote in to ask:

Have you guys ever witnessed a working free energy device?

Last weekend I visited my friend Thomas Kirschner, the editor of the German NEXUS magazine (http://nexus-magazin.de).

To my astonishment, as soon as I arrived he led me down to his basement and showed me a working Bedini machine. He's started to run courses training people how to make them.

http://nexus-magazin.de/index/nexus-seminar-impuls-technologie-in-der-praxis

This thing really works (though don't ask me how). In the simplest possible terms, it uses a battery to turn a wheel in which fixed magnets rotate past specially designed copper coils. This induces current which then charges a larger battery. You get out more than you put in.

Thomas's layman's explanation was that each time the field of one of the rotating magnets passes one of the copper coils, it [sort of] "opens a 'gate' into the zero point, grabs a bit of energy, then closes the gate again". (Interestingly, the machine produces more output when it's rotating at medium speed than when it's spinning really fast).

Avalon member Carmody may be able to explain a little better than I can. :)

References:

The original Bedini websites:


http://potentialtec.com (John Bedini's partner Rick Friedrich)
http://energenx.com (John Bedini's brother)

Two YouTube videos (also embedded below)


http://youtube.com/watch?v=nA2KtZ45nXA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yi7cmUpMdX8 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=VYtUL8OU7s4)

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_John_Bedini_free_energy_generator_1.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_John_Bedini_free_energy_generator_2.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2KtZ45nXA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi7cmUpMdX8

[RMorgan]

(Reply for the above post, about Bedini circuit)

Cool, but what moves that super-heavy coil array?

It´s only a free energy device if the energy input required to move the device is smaller than the resulting energy output.

free energy= input<output

So far, I´ve never seen any functional over unity/free energy device, and I´ve researched a lot about it.

Want to show me a functional over unity/free energy device? Show me clear energy input and output measurements, not cool gadgets.

The guy from e-cat showed the proper measurements, but his device was wrapped up in tin foil during the demonstration, so there´s no way to know if it was rigged or not...I guess only time will tell.

Clearly, supposed free energy devices, such as the Bedini, that require that amount of mechanical interaction, coils and wiring wouldn´t work without room temperature superconductors, because the amount of energy lost with resistance and friction are simply too big, and even with room temperature superconductors the most it could get would be input=output.

Really, free energy isn´t subjective metaphysics. We need practical proof, and, so far, I haven´t seen any proof that such devices actually exist.

I challenge anyone to show me a free energy device that actually works, with the proper energetic measurements, of course.

Raf.

[sirdipswitch]

I just use Spirit power. It is unlimited and free. ccccccc:wizard:

[meat suit]

I just use Spirit power. It is unlimited and free. ccccccc:wizard:

can we have a demonstration? :cell:

[Griff]

Not to offend Bill or Mr. Bedini, but this series of videos shows what I have always seemed to find from descriptions of free energy devices, enough info to generate interest, but never enough to determine if it actually works. The simple question is what is the system's efficiency, or more correctly Coefficient of Performance (COP) defined as power output divided by power input. Without a clear answer to that basic question, all the rest is smoke and mirrors. Even in their sales materials, this is promoted as a "experimental device" not as a usable power source.
While I believe that there IS something to so called free-space or zero point energy, I have yet to see a reliable, repeatable, demonstration, or a reasonable explanation of how it works. If there are people who truly understand this concept, they are either not talking, or no longer with us.
I have also spent a fair bit of time looking into this, as Rmorgan seems to as well. My background is in mechanical engineering, so I tend to take a very measured and somewhat conventional approach to the question.
Please be aware that I am not dismissing this whole topic. There is definitely something to it, but I think we are still pretty far from a whole understanding of the principles involved in order to make a functioning, practical device. Please show me I'm wrong, because this is something I wish I was wrong about.
As a side note, I'm wondering if this is the same John Bedini who manufactured some pretty good high end home audio electronics back in the day. The logo is certainly exactly the same. Just curious.

Griff

[Etherios]

i guess the "free" is the problem there ... nothing is free in physics but free as in money cost ... Even the zero point theories say that they take energy from somewhere. So i really think we need to pinpoint what we call "free".

This bendini device produces more energy that it needs to rotate ... and with a circuit they can charge batteries ...

Tbh even devices like the E-CAT ... that reduces cost by 95%+ ... can be considered free/clean energy.

[RMorgan]

i guess the "free" is the problem there ... nothing is free in physics but free as in money cost ... Even the zero point theories say that they take energy from somewhere. So i really think we need to pinpoint what we call "free".

Ideally, a free energy device is a perpetual motion/nuclear fusion/whatever device that, once it´s triggered, it will not only be energetically self-sufficient, but will output more energy in the process.

Since these precepts are actually considered impossible to replicate, by our current scientific knowledge, we can talk about over unity devices, which actually produce more energy than they take to work (input<output). So far, there´s no proof about the feasibility of such devices as well.


This bendini device produces more energy that it needs to rotate ... and with a circuit they can charge batteries ...

This isn´t true and hasn´t been proved. So, far, all I´ve seen about such devices in use, is them using one battery to charge another, like this : battery-device-battery. However, they didn´t show the amount of accumulated charge of the second battery.

You can use a 9V battery to charge three other 9V batteries, but don´t expect that the other three batteries will be fully charged.

The three charged batteries will accumulate as much energy as the original 9V battery could output, divided by three, minus the energy lost with resistance and heat.

So, unless they clearly show such devices generating more output than input, without cheating, of course, it´s not proved to work.


Tbh even devices like the E-CAT ... that reduces cost by 95%+ ... can be considered free/clean energy.

Yes, the e-cat looks interesting, but so far, during the only demonstration they´ve made available, the e-cat was fully covered in tin foil, so there´s no way to know if it was rigged or not. Since they plan to make it commercial, I guess we´ll know soon enough.

People are talking a lot about Keshe´s free energy device, but we haven´t seen them actually working so far. They also plan to make their products commercially available, so time will tell if they´re genuine or not, just like the e-cat.

In my opinion, if there are real free energy devices, which is possible, they´re kept secret, but then it´s another topic...

Raf.

[Cristian]

I do have a ton of homework to do regarding the Bedini motor before I can post something relevant...if I ever will :P . RMorgan also is doing a good job in asking those questions.

Btw, Mr Bedini has a business http://energenx.com/index.html . There is no word on that company site about over unity or free energy.

[blufire]

For me ‘free energy’ is a moot ideology.

Even if there is an invention that could create perpetual energy . . . .there is still nothing ‘free’ about building or using that technology.

The materials, building and land to house and build the technology are not free.

We would still be using our natural resources to build the technology . . . . as in Bill’s example . . . . that is a bunch of copper and copper is not cheap and costs billions yearly to mine it.

The people who build, manufacture, maintain and operate the invention would not work for free.

The cost to convert the entire infrastructure to get this ‘free energy’ to homes, businesses and factories would be unfathomable.

So I really do not understand this ideology at all. Maybe someday when a massive emp or cme hits the entire planet and we have to start entirely over from scratch we can be more thoughtful and creative in building true 'free energy' in the New World.

[meat suit]

well, having thrown time and money at 'free energy' device development, I am now sitting back and watching all the other guys on the internet not getting anywhere. its fascinating psychologically, in my case I had convinced myself that hho was making a difference to my vehicles fuel consumption. It took quite a while for me to accept that it wasnt actually doing that...

I am now looking for solutions much closer to home, ie. bio mass, wind and solar power. willow for example is great, you chop off one branch and you get 8 next year. now thats 800% overunity plus free exercise when chopping wood ..

I still think that magnet motors should work though..... I may have to go into that again one day...

[ghostrider]

a few solar panels, a few 12vlt batteries, and an inverter, you can power your kitchen no problem. stove , lights, ceiling fans, no problem... the inverter takes 12vlts and converts it to 120 vlts ac ... there are plenty of yt vids on it ... with four large panels you can run your whole house... it is out there if you really want to do it ...

[eaglespirit]

This is current, like right now, and this man is right at the cutting edge of this, imho!
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I also believe there are already clusters of people on earth using this energy clandestinely...
and it truly is about to come out in a flourish...all we have to do is think it, believe it and act on it any way we can or know how to, individually, together. And it will propagate now!

It truly is a a spiritual and scientific matter working as one as this very site of Avalon more or less proclaims in it's title on this forum. Work it....in Your Own Heart's Mind stronger than ever now...it will come to be quicker than you can imagine...in an open source free sharing way around the world.

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
It's appears that people forget so fast it's amazing!
Thomas Moray came up with a free energy device that worked. Here is the link:

http://www.free-energy.ws/t-henry-moray.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Henry_Moray

http://merlib.org/node/5610


This is a link to the PDF book called:

Thomas Henry Moray Radiant Energy (2Nd Edition).pdf

http://ebookbrowse.com/thomas-henry-moray-sea-of-energy-pdf-d159189676


Enjoy Everyone
chancy

[RMorgan]

Hello Everyone:
It's appears that people forget so fast it's amazing!
Thomas Moray came up with a free energy device that worked. Here is the link:


Yes, I suspect a few persons, including Tesla and Moray, may have invented free energy devices in the past, but they were kept secret.

I don´t doubt for a second that plans for such devices may be locked inside an obscure storehouse somewhere.

My point is that, so far, all supposedly free energy devices or over unity devices I´ve seen, failed to demonstrate their effectiveness in practical and technical terms.

I really hope that Keshe and the e-cat team are not charlatans, but I don´t keep my hopes very high.

I believe Keshe is planning to start distributing his first generators this year, so we´ll see...

[Griff]

I'm sorry Eaglespirit, but this video proves nothing. All he is measuring is a voltage, but without simultaneously measuring the current in the same circuit, he can't tell how much power he is generating. Watts, or voltage TIMES current is power. If this video author does not understand that very basic equation, I seriously doubt he is discovering anything new.

Griff

[eaglespirit]

I'm sorry Eaglespirit, but this video proves nothing. All he is measuring is a voltage, but without simultaneously measuring the current in the same circuit, he can't tell how much power he is generating. Watts, or voltage TIMES current is power. If this video author does not understand that very basic equation, I seriously doubt he is discovering anything new.

Griff

Hello Grif...Wishing You Well!

Please take a look at his progress leading up to the current prior video if you have the time some time:
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrAnguswangus/videos

And also the links he provides of another friend doing similar work.

A comment of his to a question...if anyone looks into the questions and answers I feel it shows he is almost there:

Not a problem, I can understand that it can be hard to visualize what I have in mind. The motor simply turns the wheel.The other motor coils were just a different type of motor. Yes, it wasn't quite going fast enough to show the force with 1 coil set,remember, the wheel is heavy.I get the wheel turning(a few hundred rpm)and then engage the coils.The wheel speeds up. If I then reduce the power to the motor to it's initial rpm before engaging coils,eventually I won't need the motor,just a rip cord


I am simply showing that there are enough 'active' tinkerers now that it IS going to break wide open.

I also feel that Adam(tap on, tap off, tapper) truly has enough 'on-hands' knowledge to get a small home powered.

We shall see.

I am a master carpenter/building contractor and have not done any personal 'tinkering' myself...but somehow know we can power a home through a portable generator once there is enough torque and regulation of speed when the power is drawn in volume from "free' turning wheels of this nature, that's all.
I have personally done things in the building arena where most people 'right there' felt I could not do it...and I have done things(usually solo) time and again because I simply "knew" somehow I could do it and went with it and did it. And please understand this is not bragging...I just know that something is going to break free any time now...and will not be stopped this time.

[blufire]

Could somebody please tell me what the parameters or guidelines of exactly what the topic of ‘free energy’ entails?

Technology that perpetually creates energy that financially costs nothing?

Technology that doesn’t use natural resources to create energy so therefore free?

Costs nothing to build, therefore ‘free’?

Costs the consumer nothing to use, therefore free?

Metaphysical energy produced spiritually (?) by humans that therefore can be transformed?

All of the above? None of the above?

I don’t know what we are talking about here. Yeah dumb blonde old lady brain fart I guess. I tried to follow Wade’s thread and was totally lost on that one too.

What is the basic definition of ‘free energy’ so I can find the proper train of thought to follow these type threads . . . . . Please

[meat suit]

blufire,

as I understand it,
basically it is a device / machine that outputs more energy than it consumes.
it doesnt matter how much the device cost to build, as long as it powers itself and produces surplus energy.
that free energy everybody is looking for, seems to come from the ether or zero point field and is electricity.

Costs the consumer nothing to use, therefore free? ..........YES

Metaphysical energy produced spiritually (?) by humans that therefore can be transformed? .............MAYBE

[eaglespirit]

...and this was posted by Carmody earlier:
http://www.bsmhturk.com/gallery.php

Selected a video showing it in operation:
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.......imho, all enough of us have to do is get this energy firmly planted in our psyche/consciousness and spread it around in thought, word and action and it will break wide open...that makes spirituality and science ONE thing. By US...We Are Powerful In Unison and CAN make it happen!

[donk]

My understanding is the concept turns the energy all around us (etheric?) not attached to physical resource of any kind into usable (by us, physically) energy (ie work, electricity)...correct?

[Rocky_Shorz]

...and this was posted by Carmody earlier:
http://www.bsmhturk.com/gallery.php

Selected a video showing it in operation:
5eZ9wkFqstc

.......imho, all enough of us have to do is get this energy firmly planted in our psyche/consciousness and spread it around in thought, word and action and it will break wide open...that makes spirituality and science ONE thing. By US...We Are Powerful In Unison and CAN make it happen!

replacing the fan with a PMA generator, (a windmill style Permanent Magnet) floating the shaft on a magnetic field for no drag, have the coils out on start up then slide it into the field slow enough not to stop the generator and you have free energy, when will the PMA stop? when with the earth stop spinning around the sun...

a jump starter we used was a 3500 RPM battery powered circular saw, careful though, not grounded right you can have lightening strikes coming from the machine. put a loop back so it was always charged.


I was trying to push the concept into mainstream using gas instead of the magnetics, but they realized I was also sharing how to power the Prius with 99% water along with it, Smack Generator HHO with modified cylinders so they could handle water... HHO and Natural Gas can be used...

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[Hughe]

Just say I'm a stupid copy cat that only understand established scientific theories. This will bring some respect from others.
"Free Energy is not exist?" Skeptics are professionals who have zero creativity. General public believe in whatever they say without out questioning thanks to the dumbing down copy cat education.

Also it's quite bizzare. Average Joes who eagerly supports establishment which causes miserable world in first place. The Stockholm syndrome in massive scale.

How about Permaculture? When I said "I can grow rice without digging soil, pesticides, herbicides, and farm machines." Even after I harvested 80 kgs of rice, people refused to accept it. To them Permaculture won't be possible until a university professor tell it in TV news.

I'm absolutely convinced that humans have ability to turn Earth into living paradise.

@blufire

I found common denominator from Free Energy and Permaculture. They both work with nature in harmonious way not against it. Conventional agriculture destroy soils and all living creatures, which why food production began to drop and create huge environmental problems in world wide. Why Mad Cow disease came from? Stupid humans started to feed dead cows to cows because it's cheap.
The energy efficiency and productivity of Permaculture is many times higher than conventional agriculture. A good example is traditional farmers can't grow edible plants without using big amount of resources and labor work because what they do is against mighty nature.

I answer the questions based on my understanding of Free Energy.


Could somebody please tell me what the parameters or guidelines of exactly what the topic of ‘free energy’ entails?

Free Energy is clean, environmental friendly, nondestructive energy. Renewable energy,i.e. wind, solar, hydro, is not Free Energy because it demands natural resources and limitation. Mobility is another downside of renewable energy.



Technology that perpetually creates energy that financially costs nothing?

I would say it is big misunderstanding. Free Energy technologies itself must have initial investment and maintenance cost because machines break down. Once a FE generator creates electricity as the operation time goes longer, the cost of electric power virtually disappear or minimal. For instance, you buy a $1,000 FE generator rated 1,000 Watt. Assuming it produces electricity by converting magnetic field energy, the energy costs drop by number of hours it runs. 1,000 hours produces 1,000 Watt/$1,000 = $1 /Watt. 2,000 Watt (2,000 hours) yields $0.5/Watt. Running it for a month as refrigerator power supply, 5040 hours per month (24 hr x 7 days x 4 weeks), which yield $0.20/Watt. Half year makes $0.00003/Watt ($1 / 30,240 Watt).

As you see the user eventually gets free electricity. Added bonus is you don't have to worry about blackout when the grid goes down. Get another unit for charging electric car or scooter. No more fuel money. Get one to heat water and indoor air. People spend 80% of income to buy energy. Corporations make profit out of energy. The government put tax on it.

They can not put meter on FE power generators once it gets in general public. Would I return it to government after having energy independence where life becomes free? :suspicious: So they killed Nicola Tesla and many others technically for 20th century.



Technology that doesn’t use natural resources to create energy so therefore free?

"Free" means end user's ownership. FE technologies provide energy independence of the user.


Costs nothing to build, therefore ‘free’?
That's impossible. Again "Free" means ownership of usage right and unlimited amount of energy by the end user.


Costs the consumer nothing to use, therefore free?
How we value people's labor and energy to produces stuff? It's absurd how people even think they can get something from nothing? Partly because we are so entrenched by distorted reality under financial gangsters. The gangsters create nonexistent values - fiat money - out of nothing, use it to generate profit and it seems to work very well. Does it?


Metaphysical energy produced spiritually (?) by humans that therefore can be transformed?

It is possible. The Zero Point energy is everywhere in space by Quantum theory. If human changes its body structure at molecular level to harness energy in space, i.e light or potential electric energy or ZP energy, human becomes more free being.


All of the above? None of the above?

I would say all of the above.

[Rocky_Shorz]

it cost the environment zero to use...

that is free...

That, is illegal...

found out the hard way...

if it doesn't use fuel it is illegal to manufacture...

go figure...

but wait, didn't someone say...

"Clean Energy is no longer science fiction..."

the patents have been released...

[CD7]

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2ouOgm/www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU47blakiiI/


SALT Water powered ..now ur talkin! Dont know wht stage this is in, but it would b quite something!

[wobbegong]

I was doing some research in this field, some years ago, and I found a company named Steorn who was claiming to have discovered an over-unity technology. This article is dated 2010: http://pesn.com/2010/01/30/9501608_Steorn_overunity_demonstration_completed/
I sort of abandoned the whole thing so I don't have any updates, but IMO the whole thing went a bit quiet.
They seem serious and dedicated but on their website today I don't think there is all the mention of overunity that there was years ago, they say they work on "Delayed magnetic field propagation".
Has anyone else looked into this company's technology?
Another interesting technology that some companies tried out was based on producing energy from the 'cavitation' phenomenon...but again, after several years there doesn't seem to have been any significant development beyond the initial high hopes many of us had.

[Referee]

Most are stolen immediately by the NWO !

[Anchor]

blufire,

as I understand it,
basically it is a device / machine that outputs more energy than it consumes.


Well, explosives do that.

I needs to be practical... So I think some more parameters are needed for the definition:

It should not consume itself - so it should work for a long time.

It should cost less to make than the energy produced over a certain period of time. No point having a 1kW generator that costs a million dollars.

It must be capable of having the energy output tapped and converted (if necessary) into a useable form. If I gave you a Sirian z-beam generator that works by gravity wave riding, you would not be able to use the energy it creates[1].


I suspect that people are making practical free energy devices, but the ones who are still alive knew enough to keep quiet about it.


Anchor..

[1] this is a joke, but is sort of a valid point - if you cant use the energy, its not free energy. I do not have an over-unity device and I don't know anyone who has.

[WhiteFeather]

As far as perpetual motion machines go. Well where standing on one........ Planet Earth. What makes this giant organism rotate. The biggest perpetual machine powered by the perpetual universe. Thats free energy right there.

PS The sun is an incredible Free Energy device as well.

[araucaria]

Hey mate,

I´m yet to see any free energy device that really works as well, with proper energy input and output measurements taken by an independent and unbiased group.

I´ve seen many misunderstood gadgets or concepts being called free energy devices and, of course, a few scams as well.

However, I believe it´s just a matter of time until we figure it out.

Maybe we´re close...Let´s see what will happen with Keshe´s device and the e-cat device...Both seem promising, but I´ll believe them only when I see them working in practical energy generating situations.

Raf.

Hey Raf, neither have I ever seen a free energy device, but when I read Dr Brian O'Leary, a scientist who likely was murdered for his involvement in this field, say that he has personally witnessed proof of concept all over the world, I sit up and listen.

[Cristian]

I was doing some research in this field, some years ago, and I found a company named Steorn who was claiming to have discovered an over-unity technology. This article is dated 2010: http://pesn.com/2010/01/30/9501608_Steorn_overunity_demonstration_completed/
I sort of abandoned the whole thing so I don't have any updates, but IMO the whole thing went a bit quiet.
They seem serious and dedicated but on their website today I don't think there is all the mention of overunity that there was years ago, they say they work on "Delayed magnetic field propagation".
Has anyone else looked into this company's technology?


from http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2009/06/the_jury_is_in_no_free_energy_from_steor.html

The jury is in: No free energy from Steorn

Steorn became known to the public back in 2006, when they ran a brazen full-page ad in The Economist declaring their discovery of free energy technology, and calling for a jury of scientists to "test our technology and report your findings to the world." After nearly three long years that jury has reported their findings today, and they do not bode well for Steorn.

The jury, whose identities have not been made public until today, have posted a blog to announce their findings. The announcement reads:

In August 2006 the Irish company Steorn published an advertisement in the Economist announcing the development of “a technology that produces free, clean and constant energy”. Qualified experts were sought to form a “jury” to validate these claims.
Twenty-two independent scientists and engineers were selected by Steorn to form this jury. It has for the past two years examined evidence presented by the company. The unanimous verdict of the Jury is that Steorn's attempts to demonstrate the claim have not shown the production of energy. The jury is therefore ceasing work.

The jury consists of scientists and engineers in relevant fields from Europe and North America, from industry, universities and government laboratories. Information about individual members can be found at http://stjury.ning.com/


R.I.MacDonald
Chairman, Steorn Jury

Steorn soon issued a rebuttal on their news page:

Steorn today confirmed that the internet ‘blog’ stjury.ning.com had been posted on behalf of members of the Jury of scientists that Steorn had engaged to conduct an independent review of its Orbo Technology.
In a statement, Steorn CEO, Sean McCarthy said that “he was grateful to the Jury members for the time and effort that they had devoted to the process.”

McCarthy continued on to state that he “fully understood the frustration of the Jury members with respect to the time that the process was taking. Implementing Orbo in a reliable and consistent manner had remained a challenge for the organization, one that we had made no secret of. Due to these difficulties we had focused on providing the Jury with test data relating to the underlying magnetic effect behind Orbo. This work concluded at the end of 2008.”

McCarthy concluded by stating that “during 2009 the company had resolved the key technical problems related to the implementation of Orbo and is now focused on commercial launch towards the end of this year, at which time academic and engineering validation would be released concurrent with public demonstrations”.

As I see it there have always been three possibilities for Steorn: either they truly have free energy technology, or they're a fraud, or they're mistaken and delusional. Today's development can be taken as weighty evidence that they are, in fact, mistaken and delusional.

Some have suggested that the jury never existed, that Steorn had made it all up as part of a scam. This idea has been refuted, and with such clumsiness on Steorn's part that it becomes clear that they had little idea of what they were doing when they commissioned this jury. If after three years they could not present convincing evidence for this effect, then in the best case they were irresponsibly premature in announcing their discovery to the world &mdash and in the worst case, there never was a discovery at all, it was just a series of mistaken measurements.

Steorn now states that they've solved the technical problems (or rather just the "key technical problems", meaning there may well be others left unsolved) standing in the way of implementing Orbo in a "reliable and consistent manner." Why had they not bothered to address these problems before announcing it to the world and signing up a jury to test it? The fact that Steorn has behaved with such unfounded confidence in the past gives me little comfort that they know what they're doing now.

With this jury announcement, the clock is ticking for Steorn. Only the most foolish investors would continue to pour millions of dollars into a company that has so thoroughly failed a test that it had set up for itself. Steorn has stated, again today, that they intend to release Orbo commercially toward the end of 2009. If this does not occur, I expect that it is finally the end of the show.

[sdv]

What are called free energy devices are actually alternative energy devices, each with its own set of disadvantages and disadvantages (a mixture of factors such as cost, pollution, reliability, output, safety, size, political and corporate will, and so on).

Methinks we just have to find another word to use that is more accurate in describing these devices, because the word free is too misleading.

Personally, my ultimate dream of generating heat and light and energy to do work is to do purely through intent, in a safe way (in simplistic terms, a wave of my hand and that heavy bookcase moves a few centimetes to the left and a few centimetres close to the wall!).

In the meanwhile, I dream of tapping solar energy (for heating and light) and rainwater - a farm in Africa that is completely off the grid!

[Cristian]

To my knowledge there are no such devices.


Here's one: :)

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_John_Bedini_free_energy_generator_1.jpg

from http://bedinimotors.blogspot.ro/


If, like so many, you believe that the Bedini SSG is an over-unity device then it is not. John Bedini has emphasized this very point on many occasions. (We too were confused by the diversity of claims in this regard !)


We came across the following extract from an article on how to construct a Bedini SSG and it makes it very clear what it actually is :


STARTERS GUIDE – PART II
A GUIDE FOR BUILDING
BEDINI ENERGIZERS
BY
RICK FRIEDRICH, RICHARD L., AND RS

It must be emphasized that the Bedini Trifilar SG or SSG are not over‑unity (OU) systems. They are only one-to-one energy shuttle systems. They use one charged input battery to charge 4 or more output batteries. When set up properly, one pays for 1 and one gets the input back and three or more others for free.

The energizers are never going to show OU themselves...!!! The OU shows up in the batteries energy capacity. They last longer and take less time to charge - until they get to the point of getting 4 or more charges for the price of one!! The sooner EVERYONE understands that, the better.

This important fact needs to be understood by anyone embarking on this project. The expectation that it (the energizer) is an over-unity device has led to some misunderstandings previously.

John B. designed the Trifilar SG with the Capacitor Pulser and SSG variants as ‘proof of concept’ to demonstrate and prove his method of capturing radiant energy and get the world to understand that it is the high potential, almost currentless pulses that the different variations of energizer put out, that causes what happens within the charged batteries.

This is very important. This is where the radiant energy manifests itself, and what ‘conditions’ the batteries.

The process that occurs in these batteries is referred to as conditioning. Once conditioned, the batteries last longer and take less time to charge, etc... Other benefits are that they will not wear out by sulfate buildup that usually occurs with standard DC charged batteries. They do not suffer from the depletion of water by evaporation from heat, generated by the charging process the way conventionally charged batteries do.


So again we reiterate that the Bedini Motor is not an over-unity device - it is in fact a mechanical lead-acid battery desulphator ! It does not violate any laws of physics [...]



and finally a quote from John Bedini :

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/John%20Bedini%20Technology.pdf


There is NO free electricity produced in these systems, or any other system that I know of. I have stated this repeatedly. The only thing these systems produce are a series of “high voltage spikes” that have no current associated with them. Voltage without current is the nature of Radiant Energy. This is what Tesla said. I call this “reactive power” because it does not represent voltage and current simultaneously, that could be measured as WATTS. This Radiant Reactive power WILL charge batteries, light light‑bulbs and other things but it DOES NOT meter as REAL POWER. This is why your math is useless !

So please, quit quoting your theories and analyses to me. My light‑bulbs are on. Are yours ? You are welcome to believe in your theory, but I KNOW that Tesla was right about the nature of electricity, and how to successfully tap its useful fractions. If you would just build the motor the way I have said, you could begin to learn about this too.

Beyond this, I am done CHATTING with you. Leave the people alone who are trying to learn this. Your ignorant comments are of no use. That’s as nice as I can be about it.

John Bedini

[RMorgan]

...and this was posted by Carmody earlier:
http://www.bsmhturk.com/gallery.php

Selected a video showing it in operation:
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.......imho, all enough of us have to do is get this energy firmly planted in our psyche/consciousness and spread it around in thought, word and action and it will break wide open...that makes spirituality and science ONE thing. By US...We Are Powerful In Unison and CAN make it happen!

Hey mate,

This device could easily be rigged with a battery inside it.

Unfortunately, people have used "free energy devices" many times to scam people; They attract investors and then disappear with the money.

Besides, there´s a big problem with magnetic engines, which is the magnets themselves.

Magnets are non renewable resources and even the most powerful neodymium magnet has a very weak magnetic field.

To make large scale magnetic motors, the use of electromagnets would be required, which means a large amount of energy input would be required to run the engine, just to feed the electromagnets.

So, even if such engine is genuine, which i highly doubt, since it´s built with passive magnets, it wouldn´t supply enough energy to run a small car.

Raf.

[eaglespirit]

So, even if such engine is genuine, which i highly doubt, since it´s built with passive magnets, it wouldn´t supply enough energy to run a small car.

Raf.

Hello Raf...Good Day to You...
Keep doubting, that is your personal choice...
but stay tuned,
it is about to turn around and the monopolized mess we are in is about to implode.

[RMorgan]

it is about to turn around and the monopolized mess we are in is about to implode.

I really hope so. Really.

[sdv]

There is much awesome discussion about 'free' energy on PA.

What do we define as 'free' energy?

The following definitions just confuse me (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/free+energy):


free energy
n.
1. A thermodynamic quantity that is the difference between the internal energy of a system and the product of its absolute temperature and entropy.
2. A thermodynamic quantity that is the difference between the enthalpy and the product of the absolute temperature and entropy of a system. Also called Gibbs free energy


free energy
(Physics / General Physics) a thermodynamic property that expresses the capacity of a system to perform work under certain conditions See Gibbs function, Helmholtz function



free energy
A thermodynamic quantity that is the difference between the internal energy of a system and the product of its absolute temperature and entropy. Free energy is a measure of the capacity of the system to do work. If its value is negative, the system will have a tendency to do work spontaneously, as in an exothermic chemical reaction. Free energy is measured in kilojoules per mole. Also called Gibbs free energy.

And from wikipedia:


Free energy may refer to:

In economics:
Energy from sources that do not require an input which has to be paid for, e.g. solar energy, wind energy - (usually a sub-set of renewable energy)

In science:
Thermodynamic free energy, the energy in a physical system that can be converted to do work, in particular: Helmholtz free energy, the energy that can be converted into work at a constant temperature and volume
Work content, a related concept used in chemistry
Gibbs free energy, the energy that can be converted into work at a uniform temperature and pressure throughout a system

Variational free energy, a construct from Information theory that is used in Variational Bayesian methods

In pseudoscience:
Free energy device, a hypothetical device that creates energy in a hypothetical isolated system, i.e. without any external input, thereby contradicting the laws of thermodynamics

In popular culture:
Free energy suppression, a conspiracy theory that advanced energy technologies are being suppressed by special interest groups

In music:
Free Energy (band), a 5-piece rock band on DFA Records


Do we define free energy in terms of financial costs (more for paying less), enviromental costs (more for less impact on the environment) or sustainability costs (more that will last longer), and is the 'more' necessary?

We already have the technology for energy devices that are more environment friendly, more sustainable and, in the long run, cost less money, but ... Perhaps we can only define free energy and transform to using free energy devices when we have transformed how we think about money, the environment and sustainability?

For now, I would really appreciate an attempt to find consensus on definitions for free energy and alternative energy.

Peace and hugs

[RMorgan]

For now, I would really appreciate an attempt to find consensus on definitions for free energy and alternative energy.

Peace and hugs

Hey mate,

In my opinion, free energy isn´t about financial costs.

A free energy device is an over unity device, which means, it´s a device that produces more energy than the energy it needs to operate. It gives more than it takes.

An ideal free energy device is the one which, once triggered, will output energy without taking none from external sources, like stars.

Of course, a free energy device is also clean, because once it´s manufactured, it doesn´t produce any waste like most of our current energy sources. So, it doesn´t cause any environmental impact despite the extraction of the materials needed to build it.

Financially, if such device is built in large scale, lets say to supply an entire state, independently if it´s highly expensive, it would pay for himself very quickly and the energy costs would be heavily reduced. Of course, people would still need to pay for maintenance costs of the grid and the whole structure behind it, but the costs would be minimal, diluted to a whole city.

If such device is available in small scale, to supply single houses, once the initial cost is covered, one would have no energy bills for the rest of his life.

Free energy doesn´t mean the device itself will be free of charges, of course.

The biggest plus isn´t even financial at all. It´s environmental. It would break the oil industry, which is clearly the biggest responsible for the ongoing destruction of our planet.

Raf.

[eaglespirit]

Some of You may find David's explanation of the energy of the device he created from Ed Leedskalnin's (Coral Castle) work
rather enjoyable and interesting..
This energy is being tapped by many secret and hidden government entities, imho!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46312-Tap-on-Tap-off-the-tapper.&p=616435&viewfull=1#post616435

[Tesseract]

Anyone know of a free energy device that actually uses it's own output as the input power source?

[eaglespirit]

Anyone know of a free energy device that actually uses it's own output as the input power source?

Hello Tesseract, Wishing You Well!

I believe David's simple device of Ed Leedskalnin's (Coral Castle) work is doing just that in some ways.
David's explanation video of this device is in the link of my above post.
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[RMorgan]

Anyone know of a free energy device that actually uses it's own output as the input power source?

Well, nothing like output=input/input=output, otherwise the device would achieve perpetual motion state, which, so far, has been proved impossible.

However, there are many devices who use only part of their wasted output energy as input. As an example, there are electric vehicles that use the energy released while braking, converting the kinetic energy back to electricity. This system is called regenerative braking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_brake). The Toyota Prius and the Tesla Roadster use this system.

Not that they are using their output as input literally. They just convert potentially wasted kinetic energy back into electric energy.

Electric bicycles and F1 cars use similar systems as well.

Regular cars use alternators to convert the the rotational force provided by the engine into electrical energy, keeping the battery charged.

A device who supposedly used his output energy to entirely supply itself would be equal to output=input, or, in other words, 100% energetic efficiency.

There are no 100% efficient energy converters so far. If there are, they are kept secret from the public.

Every energy converter loses energy in the conversion process, mostly by heat, mechanical friction and electrical resistance. So, input>output.

Raf.

[meat suit]

I agree Raf,

most of the devices on demo have a battery somewhere in the chain, the device is charging the battery and taking power to run from the battery.
the operator then has a couple of volt meters rigged up to prove that the device is suppying more power to the battery than it takes.

I think even Rossis E cat device wouldnt run without a massive generator running in parralel last year... sorry avent got time to find the links...

[witchy1]

Electrophorous

The Electrophorous has something of the perpetual motion machine about it. When writing to Joseph Priestly in 1775 Allesandro Volta (1745-1827) noted that it was a device that "electrified but once, briefly and moderately, never loses its electricity." The modern form of the electrophorous is shown at the right. This example, in regular use at Kenyon College, from the first quarter of the 20th century, has a hard-rubber dielectric plate 29 cm in diameter. The plate is first charged (negatively) by rubbing it with rabbit fur, and the plate laid atop it. The presence of the negative charge causes a separation of charge in the plate, with the positive charge being held on the bottom of the plate. Touching the top of the plate with the finger allows the un-bound negative charge to disappear into the body, a charge reservoir. The positively-charged plate is then lifted by its handle. and a spark drawn from it. In my own demonstrations I use a large neon glow lamp or a small fluorescent tube to indicate the passage of charge.
http://physics.kenyon.edu/EarlyApparatus/Static_Electricity/Electrophorous/Kenyon170a.JPG

http://physics.kenyon.edu/EarlyApparatus/Static_Electricity/Electrophorous/Electrophorous.html

Now I know exactly Nothing about electricity. But I do read old medical books.
From 1888 - Annual of the Universal Medical Sciences there is a chapter on Electro therapeutics by A L Ranney MD, who worked on his own Holtz device and modified it for therapeutic purposes.

He talks about galvanic cells Holtz machines, electro motive force, galvanometers, Ohm's law, static machines and all those other electric things.

He does say that the Holtz induction machine will produce 52,000 volts (52,000 times greater than the Daniel cell) - not effected by velocity of rotation. The quantitiy generated is proportionate to the velocity of rotation and the number of wheels employed. (not even sure that is important)

Its a faciniating read and shows that a bit of cat skin and ebonite will start these machines and they keep going. They made from glass and paper

You all probably know about them anyway. The above picture is the earliest one I could find.

Very effective in medicine at the time. Cures contractures, headaches baldness etc..... (even dare I say terminations of pregnancy)

Anyway - its free electricity as far as I can tell.

The picture below looks a bit like what he was talking about. However the Holtz inductor only had one revolving and one stationary plate, both circular. Had paper collectors glued to the stationary plate.....metal combs wer used as terminal attachments..... He vamped his static machine up somewhat to get a spark of 11 1/2 inches from a wheel of 12 inch radius. He ran his continuously
(He talks that he could not discuss the cheaper Toepler model, as it was clearly inferior to the "modified Holtz model)

The book has lots of diagrams in it and is very clear about how to start them (clearly not everyone had the knack) He covers off 47 pages about it. (that I dont understand)

He states that in all induction machines the charge is practically constant when once established, provided the mechanism be perfect and plates kept absolutely dry. He describes the use of chloride of calcium for this purpose, where to put it etc.

This picture, from Huston's "Lessons on Electricity" (1903) shows a big Holtz machine being used for electric "therapy."
http://physics.kenyon.edu/EarlyApparatus/Static_Electricity/Toepler-Holtz_Machine/Holtz%20Picture.JPG
http://physics.kenyon.edu/EarlyApparatus/Static_Electricity/Toepler-Holtz_Machine/Toepler-Holtz_Machine.html

I really believe we need to go back - we arent making progress going forward. The same with medicine. Go read the really really old books.

Happy to provide more info if of any value. Just thought it might be useful information :-)
K

[Shade]

(Reply for the above post, about Bedini circuit)

Cool, but what moves that super-heavy coil array?

It´s only a free energy device if the energy input required to move the device is smaller than the resulting energy output.

free energy= input<output

So far, I´ve never seen any functional over unity/free energy device, and I´ve researched a lot about it.

Want to show me a functional over unity/free energy device? Show me clear energy input and output measurements, not cool gadgets.

The guy from e-cat showed the proper measurements, but his device was wrapped up in tin foil during the demonstration, so there´s no way to know if it was rigged or not...I guess only time will tell.

Clearly, supposed free energy devices, such as the Bedini, that require that amount of mechanical interaction, coils and wiring wouldn´t work without room temperature superconductors, because the amount of energy lost with resistance and friction are simply too big, and even with room temperature superconductors the most it could get would be input=output.

Really, free energy isn´t subjective metaphysics. We need practical proof, and, so far, I haven´t seen any proof that such devices actually exist.

I challenge anyone to show me a free energy device that actually works, with the proper energetic measurements, of course.

Raf.

Hi Raf,

This stuff is interesting:
http://www.i-b-r.org/ir00020b.htm#3.1.E.%20PART%20III
http://www.i-b-r.org/docs/Fuels-Magnecular-Structure.pdf

this tech transforms waste into energy and the magnereactor has already been built.
In a round about way, this is giving more than it's taking, as such.

[donk]

However you define it, I think the most important concept to it being a positive thing is the resource needed to produce it...not to forget Jevon's Paradox (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox)

I always thought free energy meant tapping into that 99.99% of existence (energy) that we don't consider "matter" and efficiently (without toxic waste) turning into something usable?

[donk]

Net energy return on investment is a concept I thought was exclusive of "free energy"? To me that deals more with economics...since fossil fuels fit the definition suggested.

Once it takes more than a barrel of oil to extract one, TPTB will have to release the next (inefficient, meter-able) technology to keep us enslaved.

But careful what you wish for (see Jevon's paradox link above)...I think that technology requires a level of spiritual/emotional maturity of the populous that uses it, otherwise it's easy to destroy itself

[eaglespirit]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46312-Tap-on-Tap-off-the-tapper.&p=617088&viewfull=1#post617088

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46312-Tap-on-Tap-off-the-tapper.&p=617263&viewfull=1#post617263

[Barrett]

Hi everyone,

This is a subject that I'm very interested in. I've done a fair amount of research into it, and although I have no electrical or mechanical engineering background or experience (so actually building one of these devices is probably beyond me) I can understand them from a logical/intellectual/spiritual viewpoint.

As many of you will already know, one of the first people to discover "free" (personally I prefer referring to it as "zero point" for various reasons, a few some have already pointed out here) energy, or radiant energy, was Nikolai Tesla. He discovered a way of, a) drawing energy from the void and b) transmitting it wirelessly! At the time his research was being funded by J.P Morgan who, as many will also know, was one of the banking elite and held monopoly in many of the industrial sectors. One such sector being the cabling sector (laying all the electrical cables across the USA). Shortly after Tesla reported his findings to Morgan, his funding was withdrawn and his laboratory was burned to the ground. You can draw your own conclusions as to why this happened.

As discussed in other areas of this forum (so I won't go into it too much here) most areas of modern day life are controlled by an elite group - these areas include education, science, mainstream media, pharmaceuticals etc etc - and as such a plethora of information has been specifically suppressed to further their own financial gain and control mechanisms.

This action has gone much further in preventing zero point energy devices from becoming commonplace, because as my research has uncovered, many (if not all) these devices work on principles and laws of quantum physics/mechanics, and require a field of conciousness that accepts these laws in order to function correctly. Modern science teaches that you can't get more out than what you put in - this is deliberate! Many of the people who have invented these devices have had no problem getting them to work in their own workshops, but as soon as they invite others who are sceptical (or those who still believe what they were taught in science class ie: most people!) their devices do not function as intended! What I'm getting at here is that in order for these devices to become the norm and function correctly, a mass overhaul of conciousness needs to happen.

I found a free eBook on the subject. It contains hundreds of plans for various devices, and a full explanation of why they work. It's a pretty hefty book - approx 2500 pages and can be downloaded from here (http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/PJKBook.html)

I hope what I've said here has given some of you a different perspective on the matter - and hopefully in the very near future we can all benefit from these devices!

Love, Light and Oneness

Barrett

[Cristian]

Welcome to the forum Barrett :) Thank you for the pdf link as I am looking for simple projects that will allow me to toy with some concepts discussed in this thread .

[eaglespirit]

John Searl

http://searlsolution.com/

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[RMorgan]

John Searl
http://searlsolution.com/


Again, the same problems.

First, we haven´t seen it working with the proper input/output measures. Would you buy something without seeing it working and without testing it? I wouldn´t.

Second, as I stated before, (considering they are indeed genuine) magnetic engines are limited because they use natural/passive magnets which produce very limited magnetic fields, so they can´t be used in large scale. To solve this problem one would have to use electromagnets, which require high energy input to work, and, consequently, would defeat the whole purpose.

Raf.

[eaglespirit]

Raf....if You keep it up I gonna fly down Your way and You and I and Friends are gonna do it : )

Make one that works the way YOU want it to!!!

I personally don't give a hoot about measurements...I'll leave that to the calibrators.

I just wanna 'hook-up' a small home and show it being done and doing!

It IS already here...let's allow it by allowing it : )

[RMorgan]

I just wanna 'hook-up' a small home and show it being done and doing!



That´s all I want as well, my friend! I really want it! Seriously!

The problem is finding one that works...

[eaglespirit]

I just wanna 'hook-up' a small home and show it being done and doing!



That´s all I want as well, my friend! I really want it! Seriously!

The problem is finding one that works...

We Shall! : )

[greybeard]

On the Thrive documentary working free energy devices are shown working.
The documentary is too over produced but that's my opinion.
Any way up to the viewer to form an opinion--- certainly worth looking at.

Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ-s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ-s

[eaglespirit]

Has anyone here ever been in contact with John Christie?

http://website.informer.com/lutec.com.au

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[Referee]

I have not read the entire thread if this has been posted in this thread I appologize. Here is a group work in progress on Free energy generator. many people are banning together online and sharing results very promising IMHO.

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[The Potter]

As an engineer, I agree with the idea that energy cannot be created. But there are some very ingenious engines (all discovered at the end of the 1800's) that generally "make sense" to people today. The controlled explosion of fuels in cylinders someone is just easier to understand.
The Sterling heat engine is harder to explain. It works off a temperature difference between two sources. Many people have trouble grasping how the wheel could be spinning from the energy of a cup of coffee. Such mechanisms aren't very effective at producing great amounts of electrical power. A small fire can pump water nicely. (I could help design such an engine)

But there are many sources of energy. Maybe converting a magnetic field. Or turning chaotic vibrations to useful power.

[meat suit]

As an engineer, I agree with the idea that energy cannot be created. But there are some very ingenious engines (all discovered at the end of the 1800's) that generally "make sense" to people today. The controlled explosion of fuels in cylinders someone is just easier to understand.
The Sterling heat engine is harder to explain. It works off a temperature difference between two sources. Many people have trouble grasping how the wheel could be spinning from the energy of a cup of coffee. Such mechanisms aren't very effective at producing great amounts of electrical power. A small fire can pump water nicely. (I could help design such an engine)

But there are many sources of energy. Maybe converting a magnetic field. Or turning chaotic vibrations to useful power.

there are a few solar - stirling designs out there.. have alook thru youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq6iCO9KLKA

[Observer1964]

In Switserland there is a community that runs entirely on free energy.

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[Nanoo Nanoo]

I was doing some research in this field, some years ago, and I found a company named Steorn who was claiming to have discovered an over-unity technology. This article is dated 2010: http://pesn.com/2010/01/30/9501608_Steorn_overunity_demonstration_completed/
I sort of abandoned the whole thing so I don't have any updates, but IMO the whole thing went a bit quiet.
They seem serious and dedicated but on their website today I don't think there is all the mention of overunity that there was years ago, they say they work on "Delayed magnetic field propagation".
Has anyone else looked into this company's technology?


from http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2009/06/the_jury_is_in_no_free_energy_from_steor.html

The jury is in: No free energy from Steorn

Steorn became known to the public back in 2006, when they ran a brazen full-page ad in The Economist declaring their discovery of free energy technology, and calling for a jury of scientists to "test our technology and report your findings to the world." After nearly three long years that jury has reported their findings today, and they do not bode well for Steorn.

The jury, whose identities have not been made public until today, have posted a blog to announce their findings. The announcement reads:

In August 2006 the Irish company Steorn published an advertisement in the Economist announcing the development of “a technology that produces free, clean and constant energy”. Qualified experts were sought to form a “jury” to validate these claims.
Twenty-two independent scientists and engineers were selected by Steorn to form this jury. It has for the past two years examined evidence presented by the company. The unanimous verdict of the Jury is that Steorn's attempts to demonstrate the claim have not shown the production of energy. The jury is therefore ceasing work.

The jury consists of scientists and engineers in relevant fields from Europe and North America, from industry, universities and government laboratories. Information about individual members can be found at http://stjury.ning.com/


R.I.MacDonald
Chairman, Steorn Jury

Steorn soon issued a rebuttal on their news page:

Steorn today confirmed that the internet ‘blog’ stjury.ning.com had been posted on behalf of members of the Jury of scientists that Steorn had engaged to conduct an independent review of its Orbo Technology.
In a statement, Steorn CEO, Sean McCarthy said that “he was grateful to the Jury members for the time and effort that they had devoted to the process.”

McCarthy continued on to state that he “fully understood the frustration of the Jury members with respect to the time that the process was taking. Implementing Orbo in a reliable and consistent manner had remained a challenge for the organization, one that we had made no secret of. Due to these difficulties we had focused on providing the Jury with test data relating to the underlying magnetic effect behind Orbo. This work concluded at the end of 2008.”

McCarthy concluded by stating that “during 2009 the company had resolved the key technical problems related to the implementation of Orbo and is now focused on commercial launch towards the end of this year, at which time academic and engineering validation would be released concurrent with public demonstrations”.

As I see it there have always been three possibilities for Steorn: either they truly have free energy technology, or they're a fraud, or they're mistaken and delusional. Today's development can be taken as weighty evidence that they are, in fact, mistaken and delusional.

Some have suggested that the jury never existed, that Steorn had made it all up as part of a scam. This idea has been refuted, and with such clumsiness on Steorn's part that it becomes clear that they had little idea of what they were doing when they commissioned this jury. If after three years they could not present convincing evidence for this effect, then in the best case they were irresponsibly premature in announcing their discovery to the world &mdash and in the worst case, there never was a discovery at all, it was just a series of mistaken measurements.

Steorn now states that they've solved the technical problems (or rather just the "key technical problems", meaning there may well be others left unsolved) standing in the way of implementing Orbo in a "reliable and consistent manner." Why had they not bothered to address these problems before announcing it to the world and signing up a jury to test it? The fact that Steorn has behaved with such unfounded confidence in the past gives me little comfort that they know what they're doing now.

With this jury announcement, the clock is ticking for Steorn. Only the most foolish investors would continue to pour millions of dollars into a company that has so thoroughly failed a test that it had set up for itself. Steorn has stated, again today, that they intend to release Orbo commercially toward the end of 2009. If this does not occur, I expect that it is finally the end of the show.

This is funny

all these official councils hunting down inventors of free energy devices . . . and the silly ones go public and end up where ?

the smart inventor today has learnt its lesson. . . the greed of some cause them to go public with their devices but one of two things will happen there. 1 it is sold under duress to the oiligarks or 2 they end up in a box, forcefully retired.

and tell me why would someone with such a device want to prove it to someone who does not have the immagination to realise that free and abundant energy exists all around us.

Gravity
Magnetism
Solar
Wind
Thunder
Perpetual Motion Electromagnetics created by this thing we live on called a planet ( earth )

these are just some of the myriad of free energy devices. Just fior fun i have been watching youtube and there are millions of people coming out with so many interesting devices and a lot of them can work ( with the right development )

the fact there is perpetual magnetism is a dead give away of a force that is not utilised. In 4 million years its never depleated and is as strong today as it was in the beginning... thats FREE energy.

if I can build a free energy device , then im most positive that the true scientists and engineers can.

but in order to do it you have to get off the chair : 0 )

secondly why on earth would you expose yoru self to being murdered if you invent one ?

the establishment clearly does not reward these efforts with the just

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[Nanoo Nanoo]

As an engineer, I agree with the idea that energy cannot be created. But there are some very ingenious engines (all discovered at the end of the 1800's) that generally "make sense" to people today. The controlled explosion of fuels in cylinders someone is just easier to understand.
The Sterling heat engine is harder to explain. It works off a temperature difference between two sources. Many people have trouble grasping how the wheel could be spinning from the energy of a cup of coffee. Such mechanisms aren't very effective at producing great amounts of electrical power. A small fire can pump water nicely. (I could help design such an engine)

But there are many sources of energy. Maybe converting a magnetic field. Or turning chaotic vibrations to useful power.

there are a few solar - stirling designs out there.. have alook thru youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq6iCO9KLKA

this is an awesome variation on the sterling i havent seen ! fantastic !

in earlier models they relied on a large magnifyer to concentrate the sun to a water resivoir ( from my understanding ) which was the heat scource to run a simple steam engine of which the sterling is a variant.

very nice !

thanks meat suit : 0 )


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wow this is truly a beautiful machine .. i am in awe ,so pretty and functional.

hmmm

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[Nanoo Nanoo]

The smart money is a device that utilises fossil fuels such as gasoline but processes it in a much more efficient way.

the problem is with these huge companies who will lose much are not ready to give up their power ... but if we are to integrate and move forward the smart inventor would make a machine that can use gasoline in an efficient way , giving better economy with less emmision. thats a stepping stone the big 4 may wiork with .. they too need to invest in new energy devices , no ? moving ahead ?

this is a good trade off and a stepping stone to a cleaner future.

its somewhat of a problem , they instigate and support technology however they did not bet on the fact the technology is being shared freely .. the greed factor is going out the window ,...

hmmm


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[Etherios]

they dont aim to move ahead ... they aim to control. Even if we go back to steam engines they dont care. As long as they are the ones controlling the direction ... so dont expect anything changing coming from them that will, in any way or form give more freedom to the people.

We have water car engines and other similar efficient and clean engines but they are not used cause they dont use the controled gas/petrol. Even if you get the best possible conbustion engine they will still stop it cause that will reduce living expenses and manufacturing costs ... thus reducing the cost of living.

If we wait for them to lets us move ahead then ... we are never gonna get it.

[Nick Matkin]

Bill Ryan, you have a BSc methematics and physics. Surely you could throw some light on the workings on the machine you saw? Does it really produce more energy than it uses?

As to those who say 'free energy' is suppressed, yes, it may be. As described previously on PA, there are many reasons why it may be kept 'under wraps' for now - by Western powers anyway. Some of us forget there are other nations... If North Korea got hold of this technonogy, I'm sure they be happy to use it and to Hell with the consequences.

Don't foreget that in the 1980s the cold fusion claims of Pons and Fleischmann were attempted to be repeated in labs all over the world. As far as I know no-one was stopped from doing it - were they? (Perhaps TPTB knew they were 'barking up the wrong tree' so left all the experimenters to get on with it!)

And the magnetic motors using only permanent magnets; if they do work, they won't work for ever. The magnets will de-magnetise the harder they have to work. All you have to do is make sure the electricity you sell will more than pay for new magnets!

The forum seems to have vanishingly few members who understand the physics - as presently undestood anyway. For those who don't understand the relationship between volts, amps and watts, there is no point just posting links to videos and websites that just repeat unprovable statements. Fair enough, not everyone is educated in physics, but please don't rely on conspiracy coverups for the lack of a demonstratable device.

From all the 'free energy' devices demonstrated on Youtube, you really would think someone would be selling them on ebay by now wouldn't you...?

Just wheel one out that works - not too much to ask, surely.

Nick

[The Potter]

"Oh no, someone on the internet is wrong". Just to be clear, Sterling heat engines should not be considered a 'variation on steam engines'. In a Sterling cycle the working fluid (usually air or a compressed gas) moves a piston by controlling exposure to either the hot or cold source. Yes, the temperature difference can be created in many ways. A small fire, solar collection, waste heat. It can also be run efficiently "backwards" with a cold source.

Steam engines (Rankine Cycle) use a phase transition to power a turbine. A low temperature version can be created using a refrigerant as the fluid.

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The solar video is an awesome example of how Sterling engines are used today-- as a pet project that does nothing beneficial. I predict that the one in the video could produce at most ~80W on a sunny day.
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I still think that turning chaotic vibrations into useful vibrations is the way to go.

[meat suit]

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The solar video is an awesome example of how Sterling engines are used today-- as a pet project that does nothing beneficial. I predict that the one in the video could produce at most ~80W on a sunny day.
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I still think that turning chaotic vibrations into useful vibrations is the way to go.

I have seen videos of big ones with a sterling engine driving a 10 kw genni...

[Tom Booth]

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I've been just browsing the forum for any references to Stirling engines and found this discussion (so far, there may be a few others, I haven't finished looking)

You mention BIG solar Stirling engines.

The US government invested literally hundreds of millions of dollars into perfecting Solar Stirling engines from the late 70's until it reached the stage of commercialization about 15 years ago.

Notice in particular in these videos the promise of "low cost" due to the use of "automotive scale production".

There was at the time a program to bail out the struggling automotive industry by repurposing the automobile factories. The company INFINIA had arrangements to use funding from this program to retool auto assembly lines to churn out these parabolic solar Stirling dishes by the millions at low cost, about $10,000 each.

Of course the plug was pulled and the existing engines that were already built melted down for scrap and the development programs ended.

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These engines are still manufactured in small numbers, to supply remote power for the oil and gas companies to open and close valves on pipelines.

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After I was posting something about this on a Stirling Engine forum someone contacted me via PM on the forum that they had one of those INFINIA engines that he said came from a university where one was sent for testing and was then put in storage and never used.

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It was quite an ordeal, the drive from New York to Colorado to pick it up and the drive home, and then getting the thing down into my workshop:

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I thought I could test it using my kerosene heater, but the hot air from that turned out to be nowhere near enough heat to even get it started.

They would have been able to just sink these into the ground in your back yard almost as easy as setting a fence post.

[Tom Booth]

I've seen quite a number of Stirling engine companies that started out producing small domestic single household Stirling generator units. They all seem to end the same, disappear or sell, out The bottom line: why sell any of us a maintenance free Stirling engine for a few thousand dollars when they can get paid by these guys to keep the product off the market:

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[Leroy]

Richard D. Hall has done some interesting experiments: https://www.richplanet.net/richp_genre.php?ref=316&part=1&gen=99