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13th January 2013, 16:12

You have to listen to all his videos , I'll start you with pt 1 . Amazing

http://youtu.be/ymIcYjEnVuc

Anyone embed for me please , thanks .

ymIcYjEnVuc

Dennis Leahy

13th January 2013, 16:32

ghostrider

13th January 2013, 17:48

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymIcYjEnVuc

Source: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymIcYjEnVuc (http://youtu.be/ymIcYjEnVuc)

I'm about 10 minutes in. Holy crap! I'm going to need a few pots of coffee.

Has anyone here vetted this guy? (That ANY of the claims he makes in the first 10 minutes are true)

Dennis

this is awesome ! this should be called exposing the matrix. lol . this fellow is really smart ... wtf ! he had me swindled . I admit he had me. good thing I have a family that always seeks the truth... thanks guys. Lying and ego really pisses me off.. we only have one planet to live on , I don't want it corrupted with liars...

lake

13th January 2013, 18:00

I have watched all the videos and any thought, while you watch, will only lead you to the conclusion that this man is a fraud!

Dennis Leahy

13th January 2013, 18:02

Not so sure I like this part of the thread title, "The answer to everything", as this is about the legal control structures, contracts, maritime law, and the language deliberately put in place to gain control over the entire planet - and keep it.

I have only listened to two segments, but know I will make time to listen to the entire seminar. So, to make it easy for myself (and you), here is a set of links to watch the installments in order:

1 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymIcYjEnVuc

2 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqaeGz7t19Y

3 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcOGNkNhexs

4 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmj-VBG-JvI

5 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZaK9ZXDgak

6 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-HJQHF3USY

7 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwXjkvh56T0

8 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WlKKjCl510

9 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osoYDkkRxW0

10 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW0VEqMv084

11 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwxsxK85NLw

12 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXpoKgfnUec

13 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfLkCHJuSpk

14 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_shL6RuILms

15 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wgCjXru5g

16 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psllwd--Rqs

17 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1MflGIp9Ok

18 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pSjikBPoZ4

19 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TV5egZjbmg

20 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnPCTWjgcf0

21 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErWakBYt__o

22 of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyltK73NcP8

23of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i28ibmBXsJw

24of 25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juOYICu1i1g

25 of 25: There is no 25th installment. Whomever broke up the original video must have calculated that they would have to break it into 25 pieces for YouTube, and it worked out to fit in 24 (and they did not want to go back and rename all of the videos.)

Dennis

Dennis Leahy

13th January 2013, 18:06

I have watched all the videos and any thought, while you watch, will only lead you to the conclusion that this man is a fraud!That's why I asked if anyone had vetted him. I hate to spend my time if he is a fraud. He makes some claims that we should be able to check out.

However, that is different from having a gut feeling that he is a fraud, and making that into a declaration of fact. If you believe he is a fraud, please give me some evidence . Thanks.

Dennis

lake

13th January 2013, 18:18

Dennis, you would need to watch the vids to make your own opinion.
Whilst I do not disagree with his salient observations regarding the legal system we are forced to exist under, I did "feel" while viewing the "workshop" that he was not truthful!

Strange thing but, I would like to see him naked!
Make of that what you will.

:p:embarassed:

scanner

13th January 2013, 18:28

I googled him he seen legit , but if you can do more intense search in the US you may find more .

Flash

13th January 2013, 18:28

what happened, David Wynn Miller is not the video I first saw and thanked for. The video has been changed of what?? Am i in twilight zone or is my brain playing tricks??? although i truly like this one too.

This guy is something like 50+ if we look at his credential and his described career timeline, yet he looks like 40 at the most, what does he do?

scanner

13th January 2013, 18:30

He's supposed to be 63 yrs old .

Dennis Leahy

13th January 2013, 18:38

what happened, David Wynn Miller is not the video I first saw and thanked for. The video has been changed of what?? Am i in twilight zone or is my brain playing tricks??? ... I struggled - twice - to properly edit my first post, where I was trying to provide the embedded video. (I had another youtube video loaded into my "clipboard" and was pasting the wrong one. The other video was an animated video about how the US spends tax money, mostly on military.)

Dennis

gripreaper

13th January 2013, 18:54

gripreaper

13th January 2013, 19:02

Dennis Leahy

13th January 2013, 19:12

Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy Not so sure I like this part of the thread title, "The answer to everything", as this is about the legal control structures, contracts, maritime law, and the language deliberately put in place to gain control over the entire planet - and keep it.I agree. I almost skipped over this because there was no description in the OP and the title was, well, too generic. The answer to everything? That would have been a terrible shame.
Grip, Please think of a better title, and let's propose that to the OP, scanner, for this important thread. If scanner agrees, one of the mods can work their magic and re-title the thread, and more people may be compelled to dive in.

Dennis

scanner

13th January 2013, 19:16

I was in a rush to get this posted on as many sites as I could, yes by all means change the Title .

RMorgan

13th January 2013, 19:18

Hey folks,

I don´t know anything about the man, but I´ve watched the first two segments of the above videos and didn´t feel compelled to continue.

Anyway, there´s a Wikipedia entry about him (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wynn_Miller), which is not very beneficial to his image. Let me quote part of it:

Defendants have attempted to use Miller's language or ideas in courts of the United States and Canada. These attempts have been unsuccessful.

In 1998 Miller assisted Ingleside, Illinois resident George Johnson in his legal defense against child molestation charges.[21] Johnson was convicted and returned to prison in 1999.[22]

In June 1998 Prescott, Arizona resident James McCreary filed a federal lawsuit after being arrested in February for aggravated assault and possession of drug paraphernalia. In his filing, "McCreary mentions the name of his apparent mentor. David Wynn Miller of Ohio is an advocate of the restoration of Constitutional rights through 'correct' language and procedure."[6] McCreary's actions in court got his conviction reduced by the judge to three misdemeanors, and he was sentenced to three concurrent 60-day sentences in jail.[6]

In August 2001, Paul and Myrna Schuck unsuccessfully used Miller's language during a tax-evasion trial in Calgary, Alberta. They were later sentenced to jail after claiming postage affixed to their clothing and signed by them made them legally equivalent to royalty.[2][17]

In October 2001, Andrew William Sereda, a naturopath, went to jail in Calgary, Alberta, for contempt of court when he addressed a judge in Miller's language during his tax evasion trial.[2]

In September 2002, Miller was profiled when Milwaukee-based accountant Steven Allen Magritz was jailed after engaging what authorities called "paper terrorism," or filing large numbers of legal claims against perceived enemies, as part of the sovereign citizen anti-government movement. The article calls Miller "the movement's linguist" and outlines his belief that people don't need to pay taxes if they can "prove that money is a verb."[23] Magritz was convicted in 2003 on seven counts of criminal slander of title and sentenced to five years in prison.[24]

In December 2002, Wisconsin juries convicted Oconomowoc, Wisconsin residents Janice K. Logan and Jason Zellmer (Miller's cousin)[23] of "simulating legal process" by filing documents which purported to be legal documents from the jurisdiction of the "Unity States of the World," a concept originated by Miller.[25][26] Zellmer had been previously convicted of resisting an officer.[23] Miller testified at the trial. The defendants were found guilty. Miller remarked that the genesis of Truth-language was when he "turned Hawaii into a verb" and showed "how a preposition is needed to certify a noun."[13][27]

In 2002 and 2003, Ed Dick stood trial in Vernon, British Columbia for unlawfully failing to provide income tax returns for the taxation years 1997 and 1998. Dick succeeded in having the style of cause amended to include his name with a colon, namely, Edward: Dick. Among other tactics, he challenged the jurisdiction of the court. Dick was found guilty.[28]

In 2005, Montclair, New Jersey resident Brenda Rickard was arrested and charged with orchestrating a $30 million mortgage scam: "Rickard, who claimed her name is :Brenda :Rickard, is a follower of :Judge: David-Wynn: Miller, who gives seminars around the country and advocates speaking in the 'true language,' which features odd punctuation and syntax. 'I have no problem with the complaint against me as long as it’s in the truthful language,' Rickard told the judge." Her lawyer requested a psychological evaluation following Rickard's behavior in court.[29] Rickard and co-defendant Jamila Davis were convicted of conspiracy and six counts of bank fraud in 2008.[30]

In 2006, Hemet, California physician Jerome Mueller was jailed for tax evasion: "Part of a loose-knit group calling themselves 'freemen' and 'patriots,' Mueller is an adherent of 'truth language.' Developed by self-professed genius David Wynn Miller, of Milwaukee, truth language is based on mathematics and purports to be the only correct way of interpreting English. A major tenet, according to interviews with Miller published on the Internet, is that maritime law is the only worldwide governing authority because the Earth is a vessel in a sea of space. The U.S. government, however, contends in everyday English that Mueller owes income taxes back to 1993."[31]

On 7 July 2008, La Crosse, Wisconsin dentist Frederick G. Kriemelmeyer complained about his conviction for falsifying federal income tax returns. In the United States Court of Appeals, he asserted that he had not been permitted to use Miller as his counsel during the trial. The magistrate judge had refused to allow Miller to act as counsel because Miller was not licensed as an attorney. The Court of Appeals ruled that the magistrate judge's refusal was correct, and that Kriemelmeyer's argument that he was not subject to the tax laws was frivolous.[32]

In 2008, Wai'anae, Hawaii resident Rita Makekau was convicted of eight counts of assault and one count of domestic abuse for injuring five children in her care with hammers and knives.[33] In 2009, Makekau challenged her child abuse conviction by claiming her sovereignty group, Hawaiian Kingdom Government, declared her innocent. Miller said he is the group's spokesperson and is a "plenipotentiary judge, ambassador and postmaster."[34] Makekau was ordered to prison in 2009.

In 2010, David Kevin Lindsay asked Mr Justice Frits Verhoeven of the Supreme Court of British Columbia, who was acting as a court of appeal, to quash a conviction resulting from Lindsay's failure to file income tax returns for 1996 and thereafter. Lindsay, who presented himself as David-Kevin: Lindsay, argued that he was not a "person" as defined by Canada's Income Tax Act. He said he had ceased to be a person in 1996. The judge refused to let Lindsay opt out of personhood. The judge said the sentence of a $5000 fine would remain but jail time would be reduced to 30 days from the original 150.[35][36]

In October 2012, Kosciusko County, Indiana resident Paul A. Graber was sentenced on two counts of financial institution fraud to eight years in prison. He represented himself at the trial and read from a pre-written statement that repeatedly referenced Miller as "Judge Miller". Miller was called as a witness to the trial.[37]

There´s also this article, called "Messiah-like figure is doing own harvesting", from Brisbane Times. Here´s the link:

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/messiahlike-figure-is-doing-own-harvesting-20110114-19r9v.html

Personally, I have no idea if he´s genuine or not, but I don´t feel compelled to conduct a deeper investigation.

Raf.

Flash

13th January 2013, 19:21

He has 100s of cases filed by him as attorney

the pros:

http://dockets.justia.com/search?query=David+Wynn+Miller&page=2

The cons:

Godlike production:

Meet David Wynn Miller, aged 63 years.

-- Claims a 200 IQ.

-- 92nd Degree Freemason.

-- He freed Ireland from Great Britain.

-- He is a "Hawaiian King".

-- Had his kidneys, adrenal glands and heart removed decades ago -- then put back in -- and this caused him to stop aging.

-- Bill Clinton and all Supreme Court Justices were and are his "students".

-- Holds $1,500 a head seminars and interferes with numerous court cases as a defense attorney, mostly bankruptcies, but some child molestation cases as well.

-- The Twin Towers were filled with plastic explosives and that steel is really "plastic".

-- The Post Office controls the planet.

-- In 1998 he discovered "the mathematical interface in the truth that certifies all 5,000 languages, frontwards and backwards."

-- Postal Service has controlled the U.S. since 1873; Mastercard took over U.S. economy in 1999.

-- Found that maritime law applies worldwide because "Earth is a vessel in a sea of space."

-- Created "QUANTUM-LANGUAGE-PARSE-SYNTAX-GRAMMAR" which he asserts constitutes "correct sentence structure communication syntax."

-- Jared Lee Loughner of the infamous Tuscon mass shooting was suspected to have been a "student" of Miller due to similarities with his and Miller's style of writing. Miller later commented that Loughner probably had visited his web site, but that he did not condone the killings.

His web site:

[link to dwmlc.com]

Australian news article profiling him (CLEAR AND RECENT PHOTO):

[link to www.brisbanetimes.com.au]

Wiki:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Southern Poverty Law Center mocking him:

[link to www.splcenter.org]

Site claims he's a fraud:

[link to home.hiwaay.net]

Family claims he brainwashed their son:

[link to www.rickross.com]

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2109923/pg1

"He probably makes something like 40 or $50,000 each week he comes here, because he gets quite a group of followers," Sydney Morning Herald's Investigative Reporter Natasha Wallace told us by phone. She's been following Miller's antics in Australia.

"David Wynn Miller was trying to serve the court with a dossier of gobbledegook and the judge wouldn't allow it," according to Wallace. A waste of court time and taxpayer's money. Now the worry in that country is Miller's new target. "Most recently he's trying to make inroads in the Aboriginal community."

If you Google David Wynn Miller there are plenty of headlines, and he's no stranger to the Wisconsin Attorney General's office. "I think it was like an hour, hour and half we sat there and listened to him," Assistant Attorney General Roy Korte remembers.

When Miller's followers file phony lawsuits Korte gets the call. "That can be pretty disturbing when you get some document that says I can have you arrested." Traumatic for the victim, whether it's a judge or private business owner. It's also against the law. And some of Miller's followers have paid the price. Korte told us, "Several of these people have been sentenced to prison."

But Miller himself has managed to do little jail time. When asked how he would respond to people who call him crazy Miller responded with, "I would tell them that they can't read and write." A simple thought from a complicated man. His beliefs are raising questions from Australia to Canada, Milwaukee to Tucson, Arizona.

There's no definitive connection between Miller and Loughner, but the similarity in beliefs is both haunting and troubling.

People pay $1,400 for a six day seminar.

Miller routinely calls himself the "King of Hawaii," and says former President Bill Clinton is a student of his.
http://www.todaystmj4.com/features/specialassignment/116506953.html

My comment for above: his prices for corporate seminars is veeery reasonable. I have seen prices at 2,000+ a day.

Parents want to take jailed, 'brainwashed' son home
He was arrested for serving fake lawsuits on officials

The Capital Times/March 5, 2004
By Mike Miller
Parents of Russell Gould, 30, whose adherence to the philosophy of David Wynn Miller has landed him in trouble with the law, say their son has been "brainwashed," and they want to take him back to their Wyoming home while his court case is pending.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/general/general642.html

There is quite a lot against on the web and quite a lot for. So pick your choice.

He may be a 92degrees mason, but this does not look good, does it?

gooty64

13th January 2013, 19:56

Part 3 @ 21:00 Miller talks about a spacecraft in greenland which has "melted out of the ice".
Very interesting, seems like a form of disclosure if it is true. He also mentions that the spacecraft was connected to the monuments at easter Island.
Is this guy human?

778 neighbour of some guy

13th January 2013, 20:03

thanks for the Op and all the links, i am sucked to my screen, this is amazing!!!

Dennis Leahy

13th January 2013, 20:18

He has 100s of cases filed by him as attorney

the pros:
...

The cons:

...

There is quite a lot against on the web and quite a lot for. So pick your choice.

...

I wonder if this is a case where he is correct, but the courts usually just do whatever they feel like doing anyway. Lots of people are deliberately wrongly convicted and deliberately wrongly sentenced to fines and imprisonment.

I have had the discussion with people that believe that their knowledge of US law and the US Constitution are going to keep them from ever successfully being prosecuted, convicted, or sentenced for not paying taxes. I'm not sure if 1% of the judges in the US strictly follow the US constitution in making rulings, but I'll bet the percentage is very low. I also suspect (at the other end of the spectrum) that at least 80% of judges are outright crooked - getting worse as you go to higher courts.

I'll never forget the small town judge walking me out of the double-wide trailer that served as the court in that little town in South Carolina, patting me on the back and quietly saying, "You didn't think we were going to let you out of here without paying a fine, did you?" after I just proved my innocence. I paid my fine, and left as quickly as I could. Losing in court does not mean you were guilty or that you represented yourself (or were represented) incorrectly. It could very well mean that you went in front of one of tens of thousands of crooked judges.

Tying Miller to someone who committed a crime (like Loughner) that followed or read Miller's work is also not a valid way to decide whether the information presented is valid or not.

I thought it would be easy, using a search engine, to find out if Miller was or was not Bill Clinton's attorney (or a consulting attorney) during the "Bill spilled yoghurt on Monica Lewinsky 's dress" scandal. However, I did not find any info on who his lawyer(s) was/were, other than "Bill Bennett."

Dennis

Mulder

13th January 2013, 20:20

At 8.50 sec in Video No.3: There were 8 left handed presidents, they were James A. Garfield, Herbert Hoover, Harry Truman, Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, and Bill Clinton and Obama...so, where did he get...."there has never been a right handed president?"
Later in this video he talks of a Minotity Report Cell phone with halographic touch keyboard - why doesn't he turn it on for us? Really, a simple way to prove himself.

RMorgan

13th January 2013, 20:21

There´s a huge, 26 pages long thread about him on this forum, you might want to check it out:

https://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Man-With-200-IQ-On-The-Takeover-Of-The-World?page=1

One of the members posted this:

I’ll start my correlation of events when David was 25 years of age, as I feel this is critical to my story. David had a kidney disorder that required surgery however the doctor scheduled to operate on the day of surgery was unavailable, and at the last minute was replaced by a Korean doctor who had never operated on any human before, a complete novice. To cut a long story short, the Korean doctor read David’s chart incorrectly and surgically removed both kidney’s including the adrenal glands - David died on the operating table.
Jesus!

In the Morgue the nurse assisting the autopsy noticed David’s heart, which at this stage was lying on the outside of his body on his chest unsevered, incredulously the heart began to beat! He came back from the dead? Well, yes he did with an IQ of 200!

The doctors put him back together again, including his perfectly healthy kidney, alive, however now he has 6 times the amount of endorphins you and I have, and so the saga continued.
Child abuse

Eight years later in 1982 David appeared in court self represented for custody of his children. He lost 67 times, exasperated he said to the Judge “If I say white, you say black. If I say black, you say white. I can’t ever win!” the Judge replied “That is correct David, you can’t win in this court” David retorted “So this is all about Language and how it is interpreted” With a wry smile the Judge replies “That is right David, has there ever been a war over a mathematical problem?”

So, I wont say the guy is a charlatan, but if the above story actually came from his mouth, well, it´s hard to believe...

Anyway, I´d like to see him talking fluently in at least 5 of the thousands of languages he claims to know. It would be a good start.

Raf.

gripreaper

13th January 2013, 20:27

Is this guy human?

In segment 6 at the 7:30 to 7:56 mark, talking about meeting with freemasons, he makes reference to something he signed in 1859.

Hmmm...

scanner

13th January 2013, 20:27

"Bill spilled yoghurt on Monica Lewinsky 's dress"

I thought it was Ice cream , Oh well onwards and upwards lol

Bill Ryan

13th January 2013, 20:41

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Pause for thought. He is very charismatic... but here are several points to consider:

1) Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wynn_Miller#Selected_cases. Evidently his linguistic techniques do not always work in court.

2) In Part 3 of the series, he mentions the Greenland UFOs, referring to them as factual.

As best I know, the large "UFOs" in Greenland, visible on Google Earth, and quite well-known in the alternative community, are image artifacts. (Multiple image composition anomalies, which are not uncommon.)

If this is true (and I think it is), this suggests that DWM is a storyteller.

http://images.julian399.multiply.com/image/2/photos/9/500x500/61/ufo13.jpg?et=18jtlmUnjIuXKfHVQ5tLMQ&nmid=160426047

3) In the same part 3, I'm far from convinced that he or anyone else (200 IQ or not) could translate an 1800 word contract in English into "Quantum Chinese" in one hour using Google Translate with no prior knowledge of the language, which is based on entirely different conceptual precepts.

gripreaper

13th January 2013, 20:47

If this is true (and I think it is), this suggests that DWM is a storyteller.

We may need to expand the context and stand further from the canvas of our perspective interpretations, and bring to bear everything we know, or think we know, to vet this.

It's definitely challenging many linear conceptual integers at this point.

SilentFeathers

13th January 2013, 20:52

I have a rather high IQ and the language I recognize that he is mostly using in these video's is what he himself terms as "babble"....

Bill Ryan

13th January 2013, 21:04

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An open e-mail from his ex-wife in 2001:

From: Colleen Lloyd <justicewanted2001@yahoo.com>
To: .....
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 7:56 PM

I do this with a prayer that the Lord will do what has to be done and guide our actions, and with great reluctance, but also great resolve. I never thought I would be doing this, but I want to expose the truth about this fraud who teaches the "In the Truth" Law Procedures, David Wynn Miller's deception and I would like to have some press and radio on it, immediately and until he is called to repentance. Another Clinton we don't need. What we need is someone who will follow the Lord's program, not put his program above the Lord and deceive people. David Miller is so convinced that his language procedures are the only way, truth and light, that he told me, "Jesus spoke in fiction."

Anyone you know who would do a show where David will have to answer for his lies, which I will go into, or where people can bring issues relating to his deceptions forward for him to have to explain, please contact me at once at 435-632-2321. He will be in Bellingham, Washington Thursday the 23rd, and have a seminar Saturday and Sunday at the Red Baron Suites. I am planning on being there passing out what I have discovered about him, unless he corrects his mistakes publically. I am doing my investigation there to get certain proof I need, and I already have a lot of evidence.

If someone can arrange an interview with him for as soon as he gets off the plane, on the radio by phone, or otherwise, and find out when he will get to the airport and what flight he will be on, he can be investigated from the moment he arrives, which is necessary to get to the truth.

The reason I am contacting you, is that David has consistently trashed and failed to acknowledge Right Way Law, and ALL programs except his, INCLUDING THE LORD'S. He says his procedures disqualify everything else because it is all in fiction. He has made out those like Larry Becroft, Jural Society, who say ANYTHING against him or bring up challenges, etc. to be doing what they are doing because David is taking away their students and income. And now that I see the reality of who he is, and his capacity to confuse and destroy willfully people's lives for his own interests, I think I and the others who have information and who have been hurt by his lies have a right to be heard and people have a right to know so that the wrong can stop. I never thought that I would be called as a witness to discredit him, but I am very sadly, yet very LOUDLY saying that I will do it now.

I am Colleen-Lloyd-Miller, his wife. It is a "common-law" and unusual thing privately between us, which David insisted upon because at first he was so adamant against marriage and could not ever have anything in writing. Being that we both agree that the state is not a partner in the marriage and don't want a license, I said, I don't need it in writing, then, I want a marriage in our hearts and union of our lives to build it together, like Adam and Eve, no papers necessary then. He said, " I can work with that." And we were supposed to get a house...and he is the king of breaking promises.

And he would say he didn't want anyone even knowing about it at first, because he concerned someone out to get him would hurt me. But you could not hide it, and I didn't want to because I am so honest and open, and over the years, it has become pretty known to many that we are a couple, and we are openly very romantic and he pays bills and our phone and internet accounts, etc, and we will be addressed as a wife and husband in those often and at hotels, etc. The reason this is significant is because, since I found out that he was lying about emails that showed he was cheating, he has actually tried to deny that there is any relationship between us at all, and attacked me...like Clinton. It is absolutely chilling to me. The pattern of deception is in his work, too.

And there is more to it, and there were storms like men and women have and wrongs and forgiving and trying again to build a love that lasts. You know how it is. But he would not let me come and be in Milwaukee, because he said I would be unhappy and he was always gone on the seminars and never home, and he would see me more if I was out here, and flew me and had me come to the seminars whenever I could. RIGHT.

I knew that it was not right, and it caused me doubts and I constantly wondered and asked if he was seeing other women, which he denies TO THIS DAY he ever did in 5 years, in spite of the proof I now have, and even his family, friends and closest students telling me...and I wondered why it was that way, and had all the instincts you have that he was lying.

But you have to understand that David stands up there and professes to be all about honor and integrity and the truth, and can be very persuasive and manipulative to get what he wants, and you want to believe him and love and support him. You want to believe someone is about fighting to correct the corrupt courts, who is everyone's hope for...a Saviour?

I just found out, to my great horror, that he had been lying and cheating on me with not just one, but probably many women. I questioned information I got before, but he always denied it. This time I saw emails that proved it, and asked why. I have saved my emails. When I emailed the woman and asked what she meant by her statements, David began his defamation campaign, and still accuses me of being crazy and making it all up.

He tried to claim that Anthony Rees, the woman's ex-boyfriend, sent all of the emails to assassinate his character, because Anthony was involved in a conspiracy to destroy his program. Anthony has emailed me that he absolutely did not create the emails. Paul Newton's website has been created to show the falseness of the claims that people like Anthony investigated. Anthony suggests I go to the public forum rather than to court. I plan to file a complaint/claim against him and his seminar host, "Debbie Anderson" tomorrow for conspiracy and accessory in the crimes of fraud, malice, defamation, libel, reckless endangerment, criminal and willful negligence and adultery. The maliciousness is scary. I see in him the same pattern as we saw in Clinton, who David claims is "one of my students."

And that is why I feel that it is relevant, because of the way people follow him like it is a cult and look to him as some kind of leader, or Messiah-like figure, to the point where they are so blind they are willing to lie and attack anyone who brings forth the truth, and sacrifice that person to the cult and justify anything he does, regardless of any sense of moral integrity. I think he has put his program before the Lord's plan, and it is almost like he is the Creator of this sick religion which he calls law. I am their latest prey.

He is so convinced that his In the Truth language "procedures" are the be all and end all, that last year, when I made a very big step and told him how I wanted to share with him the importance of the Saviour, and my step I made to truly devote my life to the Lord and be willing to place Christ first, all he had to say about Jesus was, "Jesus spoke in fiction."

The Lord was not following David Miller's law procedures. David's plan was apparently superior to the Lord's. This is the arrogance that Satan had, and his downfall, and it is David's downfall also. I was full of the love for the Saviour and realizing how much the Saviour had done for us, and full of faith. I told him that if you believe in Christ, all things are possible, that if the Lord could raise Lazarus from the dead, the Lord would work other miracles. I wanted to bring the Lord into our relationship because I knew that a man and woman must have the spirit of the Lord between them and that is the central pivot, and that it would make everything all right. I wanted a happy home and marriage and family, which had been a struggle to get him to realize the importance of and honor a commitment to. He would say one thing one day, and act like he never said it the next.

What I wanted was to have a shared reverence for the Lord first, between us, because whenever two or more are you gathered in His name, he is there, and I could trust that and be happy. David only said that Jesus could have pulled off the Lazurus trick by faking the death. I have prayed so many times in this relationship to have the truth be made known about if David is a truthful, good man, because of all the attacks made on him and the things I see in my life with him.

I have been David's biggest supporter, and written articles about him every week in the Las Vegas Tribune (one was published on the front page of the American Bulletin) and helped him with seminars and stood by him when students and others brought to me their concerns about his false claims, and when I saw him doing things that I questioned as wrong. I believed he was a good person in spite of the things I heard, and gave him always the benefit of the doubt.

Now I know that he is a great deceiver, and the damage his deceit did to me and his hypocritical, arrogance and mocking, unrepentant attacks on me for seeking the truth are the reason why I see no other way at this point to combat his crimes but to expose him and call him to repentance. The only thing that he seems to understand is being called on the carpet before everyone publically.

I have given them every chance, over and over, to admit they are lying in saying that they did not create the emails which show they are involved in the liaison which they denied to me. They will not. She is a Canadian, and Anthony also discovered this liaison by the emails, after smelling a rat when she would not let him (her fiance) attend the seminar. She is the leader of the citizensvoice.org website which is Citizens Voice for Health Rights, allegedly a non-profit organization. Apparently she has a marijuana addiction problem and cannot go a day without a joint. Which makes you wonder where she is going to get it illegally in this country. She also, he says, has no job, but lives off the money from the seminar/materials/tapes, and lives with her mother in Kelowna Canada. She apparently got into trouble with Revenue Canada and whored her way into David's very busy bed when at a Bellingham seminar last March, to get to his "procedures" to get her out of it, so her silence is to make money and his interest is in keeping people quiet to keep the money coming in, I believe.

David told me to charge the students who's lawsuits he set me up to correct, $400 and to lie and tell them that I had spent 4 hours at $100/hour, when he would just fax me the paperwork from himself. I refused to do it, and thought, well he is just trying to help. He felt he was justified, since he had spent so much time developing it and they were getting so much. I felt it was fraud. Now I see the reality that he IS a liar.

The defamation began when he stopped paying my phone and internet -- when I found out he was lying and told people the truth. He and she refused to give me a statement that they did not send the incriminating emails or have an affair, and hassled me when I called for the truth. You would think they would want to know who had done it, wouldn't you, if not them?

I have not let up calling him (sometimes pretty pissed off) and demanding the truth and an end to the lie. I am a pit bull. His friends call me crazy. He says I am making it all up. His students have brought to me his false claims for years, and now I know.

He is a liar. He says no one will follow a lie.

I know the truth and it will set you free.

: copyright/copyclaim: 02-20-2001:
Colleen-Lloyd-Miller

RMorgan

13th January 2013, 21:14

And another one, Bill:

Here is a note from Dr. Ron Carlson about Miller:
Subject: [:David-Wynn-Miller Seminar Feb.24 and 25 in Bellingham WA] "THE BIGGEST CON ON EARTH!"
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:39:20 +0400
From: "Ron Carlson" <ddscarlson@worldnet.att.net
To: ........
Good day Mr. [....].

It is important that you know what really happened when I used so-called technology by Miller.

At my hearing for arraignment and plea February 17, 1998, I used the "flag" issue and the approach that I would not join with the court pursuant to F.R.Civ.P. 12(b)(7). That day I left court having not joined with the court. However, the following day I was arrested by U. S. Marshals and incarcerated at Halawa State Prison with the presumed threat that I would be held as a threat to the state if I did not submit to the court's jurisdiction.

Prior to my arrest on Friday the 19th of 1998, I filed a "Title 42 Action" that was advocated by Miller. He will say that this is passe' now, but the reason I mention it was the fact that in a subsequent hearing the U. S. Prosecutor noted it and said that it was incomprehensible. Nothing else transpired other than the fact that I let the "42" action time lapse. Reason? Number one I could foresee it being held against me as a identified "tax protestor" as well as an activist for pure water in Hawaii locally, and the fact that I had been involved in many other initiatives regarding the return to Constitutional Rule of Law by the government. [My group was known as the "Phoenix Project Committee of 50 States" and aligned with Joe Stumph out of Utah. Morris Dees, a Khazarian Zionist B'nai B'rith Mosad agent, SUBVERSIVE, of the "Souther Poverty Law Center" (I am sure dedicated to perpetuation of "poverty" using law as a method to insure its existence [READ R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER'S GRUNCH OF GIANTS, ST. MARTIN PRESS, 1983]) identified our "group" as a militia support group in a document regarding what he identified as "terrorist organizations."]. The second reason was that I had seen the irrationality of the idea that I would ever prevail in any of the controlled Zionist courts. It is impossible at this time but may be appropriate as we uncover the lies.

David Miller has never won in court to my knowledge other than by his own say so. Heresay, I say! Where is the meat? Ask for proof positive regarding the success of his technology. Court cases... Testimony... Documentation, not just his words.

His tech. did not in fact work for me. He has noted in his seminars that I utilized his work successfully, but this is not so. I was found guilty of five counts of tax evasion, 26 U.S.C., section 7201. I had not filed since 1983 and held the position that a citizen in the U.S. was not subject to income tax nor employment tax (they are different you know) since for the former there must be foreign earned income, and the latter an agreement with the employer pursuant to 26 U.S.C., 3402p(2). My defense was the "condition of the mind."

A final note. A person I am with at the half-way-house (the place one is held after prison until reaching his or her's mandatory release date) filed a Writ of Habeas Corpus using Miller's most current work. Judge Gillmore said if she persisted in the issue, she would order a psychological assessment of Ms. Ottley and have her committed if necessary. Does not sound good to me. I encouraged her to withdraw the HC and file a more rational action. I don't know what she has done. Nor have I seen here around the half-way-house either. The court may have taken her already.

David may be correct in many of his ideas, but half truth will only get one in trouble. I may be a testimony of what did not work, ask him for testimony for when it did work. Be persistent. Get the facts.

Best of luck to you and your fellows.

Dr. Ronald S. Carlson
4211 Waialae Avenue
Suite 400
Honolulu, Hawaii 9681

and another one, from the same guy:

From: Ron Carlson <ddscarlson@worldnet.att.net
To: .....
Subject: Re: another reply from DWM
Date: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:00 PM
[addressee],

Previously I wrote:

Bruce...Ron did not win his case! I am Ron. Read his (David Miller's) statement: "Bruce, Ron won his case and was arrested for not filing tax returns for 5 years before he met me and had only hours of training before he went to court 3 years ago." With sentence construction like that I would have flunked first grade! (By the way, I did flunk first grade.)

1) I was arrested the day after a hearing in federal court where I presented the "flag position" pursuant to F.R.Civ.P. 12b(7) joinder. I did not join with the court by using a phrase, after having been asked by Magistrate Judge Yama****a, "are you Mr. Carlson," that went something like this, "I cannot understand a foreign language." I walked out of court that day thinking I had won. However, David nor I were aware that what I had done would simply lead to an arrest to gain jurisdiction. You know, jurisdiction by "law of the gun."

2) I had not filed income tax forms since 1983. My position was, and still is, that a citizen of the United States of America, living and working within the several states of the Union of the states, having domestic earnings, is not the "subject" of the income tax set forth in the IRC (Internal Revenue Code). Additionally, "employment tax" as distinguished from "income tax" is a voluntary matter as may be corroborated by a read of 26 U.S.C., section 3402(p)(2). Only citizens of the United States of America with foreign earned income are subject to an income tax of 30%. And, this may be found by looking at 26 U.S.C., sections 1461, 1441, 1442 and 1443. The "withholding agent," sec. 1461, may be you or me if qualified by circumstances.

3) I had read Miller's work and studied it for a year before I met Miller personally. He was here in Honolulu working with some of the Hawaiian Sovereignty People. He had also interacted with a gathering in Tehachape', California, being interviewed by one Rick Martin, who was at that time an investigative journalist with CONTACT NEWSPAPER. (Rick is no longer associated with contact. He too turned on the CONTACT NEWSPAPER, stole the reader list, bank accounts, equipment, corporate records, destroying other records.) I was not new to Miller's work. I had known that we were under emergency powers statutes by my own research. See the work of Dr. Gene Schroeder and others on the "War Powers Act." Or, look up "Banking Holiday" in Black's Law, 5th Ed., and see that pursuant to 12 U.S.C., Section 95(b) we are under martial law via the Banking Holiday Act. This may be verified by the "yellow fringe flag" flying in the courts and other public domains. David is not the first to claim this issue.

4) We hosted a two day seminar in my office with Miller as speaker. We spent a good 20 hours of study in his understanding. The material sounded good, at least at first blush. Anything sounds good when one is under indictment and one is also prone to grasping at straws. I still hold that without verification of wins, that the technology is useful, people corroborating having won, there are no wins. Where is the meat? Have those who have won come forth as representatives of his technology. Will people sign testimonies that they won using Miller's approach? I have never talked to anyone who has won; but, I will gladly recant and apologize for this which I speak when shown otherwise.

5) Lawyers do not help, neither will "pro se" litigation. Once indicted by the Federal, one is dead meat! Only a "payoff" at the highest lever, such as we have seen with Marc Rich, will get one off that hook. There is a 98% conviction rate with the Federals, and I met banking wizards, giants, at Federal Prison Camp Nellis who contested their indictments for as many as 10 years with top lawyers, but still lost. When you are targeted, that is that on that!

Again, ask for those who have won to come forward. Insist on it!!! Using Miller's writings as they are will only insure commitment to a psycho ward. Judge Gillmore threatened to do that with Ms. Ottley regarding her filing of a "Win Miller Habeas Corpus" just two weeks ago here in Honolulu. As I reviewed his recent work, I was amazed at its incomprehensibility. Truth is simple and uncomplicated!

My sense is that Miller is a counter-intelligence-agent both figuratively and literally, for his writings are unintelligible, and I suspect he has not true intelligence available to him. BEWARE!!!

Dr. Ronald S. Carlson

Check this link if you want to see more emails about David Wynn Miller; There are many others like the above ones:

http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/Scams.htm

Raf.

gripreaper

13th January 2013, 21:16

Bill Ryan

13th January 2013, 21:25

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I was full of the love for the Saviour and realizing how much the Saviour had done for us, and full of faith. I told him that if you believe in Christ, all things are possible, that if the Lord could raise Lazarus from the dead, the Lord would work other miracles. I wanted to bring the Lord into our relationship because I knew that a man and woman must have the spirit of the Lord between them and that is the central pivot, and that it would make everything all right.

: copyright/copyclaim: 02-20-2001:[/SIZE][/FONT]
Colleen-Lloyd-Miller

Invoking a savior and religion as a basis for her claims? I'm surprised you posted this Bill. What is the point of bringing this into this thread?

I was quoting her e-mail in full. :)

There are some interesting parts in there, nothing to do with her religious beliefs... claiming [extracted quotes of Colleen-Lloyd-Miller's]:

he is the king of breaking promises
I found out that he was lying about emails that showed he was cheating, he has actually tried to deny that there is any relationship between us at all, and attacked me...like Clinton. It is absolutely chilling to me. The pattern of deception is in his work, too.
I constantly wondered and asked if he was seeing other women, which he denies TO THIS DAY he ever did in 5 years, in spite of the proof I now have, and even his family, friends and closest students telling me...and I wondered why it was that way, and had all the instincts you have that he was lying.
But you have to understand that David stands up there and professes to be all about honor and integrity and the truth, and can be very persuasive and manipulative to get what he wants, and you want to believe him and love and support him. You want to believe someone is about fighting to correct the corrupt courts, who is everyone's hope for...a Saviour?
I have been David's biggest supporter, and written articles about him every week in the Las Vegas Tribune (one was published on the front page of the American Bulletin) and helped him with seminars and stood by him when students and others brought to me their concerns about his false claims, and when I saw him doing things that I questioned as wrong. I believed he was a good person in spite of the things I heard, and gave him always the benefit of the doubt.
Now I know that he is a great deceiver, and the damage his deceit did to me and his hypocritical, arrogance and mocking, unrepentant attacks on me for seeking the truth are the reason why I see no other way at this point to combat his crimes but to expose him and call him to repentance. The only thing that he seems to understand is being called on the carpet before everyone publically.

Hervé

13th January 2013, 21:32

Suddenly... what's happening here?

Sharp mind missing the forest for a tree?

From his ex-wife letter, she demonstrates the guy to be a bona fide psychopath... that's the forest!

christian

13th January 2013, 22:30

Call me arrogant, but picking up on this guy's energy in the video tells me clear as day that he's out for the show, he's out to impress, but not to empower you. Quite the opposite. Well, there may be some genuine info in what he talks about, as it is often the case with disinfo. But when it comes to what he really does to propel the awakening genuinely, to me he seems as phony as it gets. Who really feels like, "this man really helped me to become a much more aware and responsible person," after having seen his presentation?

I really think developing some spidey sense is a major key in claiming our self-responsibility. Real discernment is fact checking in collaboration with assessing situations on an intuitive level. The intuitive aspect has been neglected in humanity's more recent history, but it's a very real thing and it's important in our battle for freedom to claim the ownership of our psychic abilities and to use them. We're all able to do this, this can be trained like a muscle and cultivated like learning a new language. My spidey sense tells me he is totally out to grandstand, to waste my time, and to lure me into fantasy land. No thanks.

Dennis Leahy

13th January 2013, 22:54

Just coming back to this thread, and doubt I'll finish watching the other 22 segments.

After my teeny-tiny eye-opener with the smalltown judge in South Carolina, think what it must feel like to go through what Wade Frazier witnessed with Dennis Lee in the courts...and penal system. Justice? Ha!

The people that are giving witness that Miller's info does not really work in court really does not surprise me. Courts in the US are not very interested in "truth" or "justice" or "fairness" or "right and wrong."

So, without even vetting the wildest claims, the relatively mundane claim that Miller has info to beat the US court system appears to be BS. I don't doubt that there is a lot of deliberate programming in the language of law and the court system, and maybe Miller has figured out some of the gambit - but again, being correct and prevailing in the US court system is not even related.

Dennis
p.s. Gripreaper can let us know if there are a few pearls of wisdom that can be snatched from this.

Double p.s. : The ex-wife is a religious zealot and her word alone means nothing to me. However, first-hand experiential testimony from someone who was coached by or represented in court by Miller - and failed miserably - does have weight, and what I see seems credible. Even if Miller's logic has validity, if it does not work in court, he must not represent himself as being successful with it in court. I was told long ago (by an insurance adjuster/claims person) that many cases are settled because it is cheaper. Maybe Miller's advice has been used successfully - in a court where the prosecutor or judge didn't want their court tied up with a long, drawn-out case, and so put a few in Miller's win column.

gooty64

13th January 2013, 23:18

In early part of segment 10, Miller re-emphasizes that all 27 American Presidents have been left-handed and goes on to use this "fact" to explain blah-blahblah.

Miller also makes numerous over-the-top claims throughout first 10 segments about himself and "planet earth" that should be verifiable or not.

Let me know how it turns out;).

Fred Steeves

13th January 2013, 23:30

I really think developing some spidey sense is a major key in claiming our self-responsibility. Real discernment is fact checking in collaboration with assessing situations on an intuitive level.

Bingo Christian! http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif

ThePythonicCow

13th January 2013, 23:59

The people that are giving witness that Miller's info does not really work in court really does not surprise me. Courts in the US are not very interested in "truth" or "justice" or "fairness" or "right and wrong."
Heck, I doubt even the fair minded judges would take too kindly to me telling them my IQ was 100 points higher than theirs (which in my case would be telling them they were dumber than a box of rocks), and also telling them that I knew they were in the wrong and that they had no standing to say if I was in the wrong.

The idea that some expert can give (or sell) you some magic babble that will bend authority figures to your will is yet another example of misplaced trust.

In my world, the key to successfully dealing with others, in authority or not, is understanding what they are doing and saying. I actually expect to understand what the Doctors, Lawyers and (if there were any) Indian Chiefs in my life are saying. Then I personally choose for myself whether and how much to go along with their dictates, and accept (or rebel against, or work to mitigate) the consequences of my choices, most of which consequences are not too surprising.

beyondmyctrl

14th January 2013, 00:33

it always makes me smile that people who laugh at the "sheeple" and claim to be so awake and aware and better than the rest of the populace can actually watch s**t like this and believe that there's any vadility to anything this doofus is saying. I was in it for about a minute and a half before all my alarm bells telling me this guy's a fraud started to ring lol !! I mean C"MON!!! seriously!?!? SERIOUSLY ?!?!?! I says, ya'll crazy I says.... :)

Christine

14th January 2013, 02:13

Just dropping in with my proverbial two cents. I listened to one segment earlier today. Every sense in my body and mind were jumping up screaming that this is the quantum flimflam man.

It unnerved me in a way because I believe he is really on to something in the language area, and I would dearly have liked to be able to follow that thread. But when I hear him say the following, running all his words together... "Anger leads to thought and thought leads to wisdom". Well I don't know about anyone else but I have never made that direct correlation... its the sound of something reasonable rushing by that leaves a disturbance in the force.

I think we all have our own unique sensibilities, it is good always to take a second, third and as many looks as necessary. It is well to remember that each of us has our vulnerabilities too. There are things that we are highly interested in and so any new information that appears to fill in the picture for us can grab our attention.

The most effective deceptions after all contain the greatest amount of truth.

mosquito

14th January 2013, 02:32

I''l try and find some non-youtube vids to check out, though it sounds lke he's not exactly the real McCoy.

Sure, legalese is a warped and twisted abuse of English, but the way to beat the system is to play it at its' own game, using its' own language. Inventing a "mathematical" language which somehow overrides the legal jargon of each and every legal system on Earth is about as feasible as making a one-size-fits-all bra out of lead.

I'd love to see what he calls "quantum Chinese" !!!

Hervé

14th January 2013, 03:16

161803398

14th January 2013, 03:23

I think he is insane. I have heard the way he talks before. He is obsessed with himself and his greatness. He is really saying a lot of nutty things and hiding that with his supposed IQ. He is really saying nothing but a bunch of things that make no sense. He does look young though. That can be done with amino acids and melatonin.

galilava

14th January 2013, 04:07

In part 5 , min.9.40 he says that he has been asked to write the constitution of Ireland in 2011 and that Ireland has become independent on 2 August 2011 (is this some other timeline?)....and so on....and people pay 1500 usd for his seminars?!.....the right question is: what kind of creature is this (not who he is). A BARON MUNCHAUSEN of the 21 century :) I will listen to him though as I love Munchausen:cool:

Dennis Leahy

14th January 2013, 05:58

[...]

Double p.s. : The ex-wife is a religious zealot and her word alone means nothing to me.

[...]

Right, blame the victim since, after all, as he said to his defense against her proofs: "She is nuts!"

... another forest lost for a tree.
She may well be a victim. I wasn't assessing her testimony as a victim, but as a credible witness discrediting the 'information' offered by Miller. To me, anyone that repeats - rote regurgitates - that religious rhetoric has lost their credibility as an objective witness. Clouded judgement. Her husband blasphemed her God, her Saviour - and that seemed to light the fire under her even more than his alleged philandering. But add those two together, and you have someone hell-bent on retribution, clouding their judgement, rendering them as a non-objective witness.

(Having said that I felt other witnesses against him were credible), I don't think I'm "ignoring the forest." Is it possible that your compassion toward her as a victim biased you toward her testimony?

Dennis

meeradas

14th January 2013, 07:05

Only thing that happened to me [just looking at him for a minute]:
The guy made me want to watch Kingpin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy6CKiCQaRw) again.

Guess i can leave it at that.

Ultima Thule

14th January 2013, 14:36

find him delusional I do:yes4:
Same kind of energy as with Alexander Retrov

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID-zDcvrHPk

UT

778 neighbour of some guy

14th January 2013, 14:52

Any judges here to judge the judge?

Snookie

14th January 2013, 18:28

Wonder what Jordon Maxwell would say about him? There probably is some truth in what he's saying, but he seems to be at the very least misrepresenting his success rate.

Aurelius

14th January 2013, 21:43

my 2 cents ..

1. why does this chap give me an impression of a re-skinned version of the character Bill Ryan had coffee with (in the coffee shop downstairs) at the Zurich conference in 2001 ?

2. there is something about languages .. at a higher level .. there is a 'mathematical transform' across all languages .. ie. an 'energetic signature' common to the same words (expression) across all languages. Pat Flanagan talks about this based on his experimentation work with dolphins (the 2nd derivative)

applecrusher1992

14th January 2013, 22:27

This is very interesting. Someone will need to vet this information. If its as he says then it should be easy to find.

gripreaper

15th January 2013, 08:10

When you look at the nature of communication and how it evolved over the last 6500 years, at least in regards to the many disparate dialects, you can see how babble is often the result, and misunderstanding is rampant among the 150 languages we 8 billion people use to communicate. Throw in the emotions, and all you have to do is look at half the threads on this forum to see the results.

Thousands of years ago before the printing press, if you needed to communicate with someone, you had to be face to face in order to transmit your thoughts, and you had to speak the same dialect in order to render any form of understanding. If you needed to communicate with someone at great distance, you needed a courier, and some way to certify that the message was coming from you, and that what you were saying would be somehow understood by the recipient in the context you intended it to be. This is how the postal union became the highest courier medium on the planet and how it became the basis for all contract law. This is also why there is such a concerted effort to keep this hidden and maligned from consciousness.

So, a universal dialect and a universal transmittal between parties, I would imagine, existed at one time, and for David Wynn Miller to claim he has cracked the code and has mathematically syntaxed and restored all language into a single dialectic which is perfect, frontwards and backwards, has MERIT and at least deserves our consideration.

All language has a harmonic counterpart, an energetic signature, and the components of the energetic signature can be related to numbers, which are geometric and mathematical, and is verifiable by applying the same to all astrology, physics, or any discipline. All disciplines were one discipline, I would also imagine, at one point thousands of years ago. The idea that divisiveness in linguistics, as well as the alchemy of the universal energy, was and is perpetuated by those in control, is not such a stretch, and seems to be a major topic of discussion here. I think most of us can agree on this.

Communication and exchange IS trusts and contracts. Everything IS commerce. Trusts and contracts govern commerce. Trust between two parties, under contract law, means full disclosure, a meeting of the minds, valuable exchange of consideration, and BOTH wet ink signatures. This has been true for thousands of years.

Now, if you can create a language which obfuscates all contracts, then you can have the appearance of not having a nexus to the contract, and the contract becomes unilateral, something which the bank did not sign. All mortgages are unilateral and are not valid contracts. This is pure fiction, and is perpetrated by fictional entities called corporations, and is a breach of trust. No one owns anything in a trust; there are just trustees, beneficiaries and administrators. It's about control.

This is the presumption which all courts hold when you bring a complaint (different than a claim) into a district court, which is by its very nature, a tribunal where you cannot be seen or heard because of the fiction operating in fiction. You are lost at sea, presumed dead, and your vessel is in dry dock, and your vessel is being salvaged, liquidated by fictions who have a claim to the salvage rights, under admiralty.

I know, through triangulating sources, that the information in reference to the UPU and the DOT is correct. How your vessel ends up in dry dock on the land is through the DOT, which is governed by the UPU. Others have brought forward this information, and it always gets immediately debunked and challenged, yet it fits perfectly when back engineered through the history of the rule of law which has developed on this planet in the last 6500 years, or at least since the 18th dynasty of Egypt, perfected in Rome, and carried throughout the Mediterranean and into the City of London, and now in the District of Columbia of the UNITED STATES corporation, and throughout the world.

David claims to be challenging this system in almost all countries at the highest levels of government and the courts. He also makes reference to having signed documents as a freemason dated back to the mid 18th century. It’s not that much of a stretch here at Avalon to make note of time travel, bi-location, remote viewing, or manipulating the very DNA in the time continuum, either through transferring a souls essence into another body, or as a “walk in” or as an immortal, as the legends of Babaji attest to.

I know, these inquiries often raise more questions than they answer, such as: how do the elite carry their agendas from one generation to the next and transfer their essence to new bodies? If this is possible, is it a stretch to consider that some others can also do so? What about the legends of Francis Bacon and St Germaine? Are these true? Is Babaji the immortal human who has been on the planet for all time and is still alive living in the Himalayas and has never died? Is this just a legend?

We talk about many disparate things going on under the earth below us and in the stratosphere above us, of other planes and dimensions, with all types of entities, in all types of manifestation and frequency all the time, and most of this can be vetted and at least triangulated and verified when using a unified brain with both hemispheres, both the cerebellum logic and the cerebrum higher mind, connected through all the chakras energetically. This is ‘spidey senses” for lack of a better word.

If you are just using your left brain and your five senses based on the Newtonian paradigm of the periodic chart of elements and the scientific hypothesis of academic study, juxtaposed through your past experiences and filtered through a subjective perspective, using obfuscated dialect, what do you expect? Do you expect to get to a point of synergy and understanding which evolves into wisdom, culminating into one unified science and spirituality? Of course the concepts presented may appear grandiose from this context, standing this close to the canvas.

This IS an important thread, and what Dave Miller brings to the table is worth further synthesis into the holistic synergy of science and spirituality, without making this an old west saloon and shooting the piano player. The first two pages of this thread are laced with: He’s a fraudulent crazy self aggrandizing psychopathic storyteller and his ex girlfriend doesn’t like him, so therefore anyone who considers this information has no spidey senses and cannot see the forest for the trees.

I’ve studied Sovereignty, law, civil procedure, Uniform Commercial Code, United States Code, and I have listened to all 24 of the 25 minute segments of this presentation, all 10 hours of it in the last two days. I've spent years and thousands of hours in this rabbit hole. I’m not sold on David Miller, and am not cheerleading in a pleated skirt with a set of pom poms.

I’m considering the implications of what is being presented here and trying to remain open and objective, as best I can with the knowledge I have accumulated in regards to admiralty and the rule of law within the context of the last 6500 years, and applying and adding to the synthesis I’m developing, to come up with a single understanding of the biggest picture I can, with as broad of a canvas and context as possible, spanning as much of history as I can back engineer. It’s a huge rabbit hole that few have chosen to embark and study, and I do not have all the answers.

What I do know, is that a single synthesis of all scientific disciplines and spiritual alchemies is emerging and needs to emerge, and some of the clues are in this presentation.

Dennis Leahy

16th January 2013, 16:14

Bumping this thread so that more people will get a chance to read what Gripreaper wrote, above. I knew that as soon as David Miller started talking about about contracts and maritime/admiralty law that Gripreaper was going to be a critical translator/BS detector on the topic. Why? Well, a demonstrated understanding of these issues - current and historic - but equally, a truly open mind (rarer than rare) to the interwoven metaphysical aspects.

Could it be that the messenger (very human, flawed as we all are, and enamoured with himself) presents a package that causes his dismissal as a credible source of some info, before the message has even been delivered or absorbed?

Dennis

lake

16th January 2013, 20:15

Please notice to have a autopsy your need to have had a death certificate.

http://hosped.umc.edu/orientation/documents/DeathProcedureforHandling.pdf

III. Procedure: (cont’d)
5. Check postmortem documents for accuracy and completeness.
The Office of Morgue Services will be responsible for checking all
the postmortem documents to assure that everything is complete .
This must be done before the body can be released. Listed below
are the forms that must be completed.
a. Death Certificate (must be typed or completed in black
ink). (See attachment 1).
#1. Patient name and history (medical record
number) number.
#3. Hour and date of death.
#7. County of death, City or town of death, Hospital
or other institution – name and number, and if in
hospital or inst. specify INPT, OUTPT, ER, or DOA.
#22. Person who pronounced death, date and hour.
#23. Certifier, mailing address.
#24-28 Completed by physician, unless coroner’s case
who then completes #24e; f and g.
b. Authorization for Autopsy form – 2 copies (All signatures
must be original on both copies). (See attachment 3).
1) completed and signed by the physician.
2) Signed by appropriate family member as designated
in the autopsy policy.
3) Signed by 2 witnesses. (Verbal or phone authorization
also requires 2 witnesses).
c. Autopsy Consult (Completed and signed by the physician).
(See attachment 5).
d. Release of body Form – 2 copies (See attachment 2).
1) To be completed by the nurse caring for the patient.
2) Signature of the appropriate family member as
designated in the autopsy policy..
3) Verbal/phone authorization must be signed by
2 witnesses.
4) The body must be released only to the funeral home
stated on the release of body form.

In a Autopsy there is a set process for the removal of internal organs (if you can live through this than you are not here!):

http://www.cap.org/apps/docs/cap_press/autopsy_introduction/Autopsy_Diagrams05.pdf

STEP ONE:

1. Reflect the skin flaps. Cut perpendicular to
the ribcage. Make relaxing incisions in the
peritoneum and musculature about 15 cm
above the symphysis.
2. Check for tension pneumothorax. Make a pool of
water in the axilla. Push closed clamp through
an intercostal muscle beneath the water level.
3. Release the chest plate. Cut ribs medial to
costochondral junction and the clavicle lateral to
the sternoclavicular joint, with either:
a. an oscillating saw;
b. a linoleum knife and bone shears; or
c. pruning shears (inexpensive alternative).
4. Preserve the muscle attachments to the
manubrium and head of the clavicle.
5. Detach the diaphragm from the chest plate.
Inspect surfaces and contents of the pleural spaces.

At this point you do not put the heart back in the physical form, lol!!!
Again, while I wish to find a way to become free, the rules will be changed as and when the owner of the game dictates!

lightwalker

17th January 2013, 11:51

He sounds just like David Miscavige of Scientology. He can talk for 2 hours straight without a "lag", is handsome, charming, convincing, and is another great example of the use of that false "love n light", convincing jibberish and humanity's desperate need to grab anything to get away from our pain. You have to hand it to them as some of us will buy into the idea that we only have 2nd grade level reading abilities.......

But that's ok, because more and more of us can see thru the smoke ....I just noticed they both have the same name.

lightwalker

scanner

17th January 2013, 12:53

Just suppose he was telling the truth about the legal stuff ? So what if he's making a living out of their fraud . We all know how corrupt our legal systems are, especially in the UK . You don't have to buy anything , make your own judgment . How many of you have been too courts on a regular basis and seen it with you own eyes and heard it with your own ears ?

ulli

17th January 2013, 14:26

What I get here is about the powers latent within an individual.
Belief in those powers, the self, high self esteem, or supreme self confidence can take one to the highest peaks.
And if others sense this self belief, then they want to have part of it.
After all, their own absolute power has been stifled in this world, and starved, and is now hungry.
It's easy to get a following when there is absolute self trust.

So what would cause a fall, a fall that is not voluntary, as in self sacrifice,
is only the lack of integrity, or integration of separate fragments of the self, which is usually that little part of the self which is still hidden in the shadows of one's subconscious, and has been overlooked.
If a male is too male, he will manifest a female to help him find wholeness and balance. And for a woman it is the male (animus) polar opposite.

That ex girlfriend's letter was a manifestation of his, which became projected onto his life screen as the "enemy".
So he gets tripped up by his ex and her belief in the "Lord". Full exposure.
Religious belief is about the Absolute, where there are no more polarities.

Never mind that many people don't fall for religion these days;
her letter will still trump his spin on things,
simply because of it's honesty and her humanity coming through.
So you can still get to the top with BS but these days staying there is as short-lived at that 15 minute fame Warhol was talking about all those years ago.

But there were a couple of goodies in his talks, which I do agree with:

1) This planet is a vessel in the sea of space.

2) underlying all languages is a single language...
if one knows how to think in abstract terms and use symbols.

sigma6

18th January 2013, 05:26

Wow, threads like these are one of the reasons why I love Camelot. I too came across the YouTube, and sorry to say I became intrigued and did watch the whole thing. Granted I lay down and closed my eyes through at least 50% of it... lol... as I know with series like this they take many readings... Although some of the things he said were absolutely incredulous. I had withheld any judgement. I was also predisposed to a bias of favouritism by an old friend who made a positive reference to him... (will have to bring him to this thread and save my breath...) I had come across DWM a few years back was impressed with his interpretation of the postal letter thing, and his quantum language. And had made it a point to 'put him on the list' and get back asap, that was a few days ago...

I have to admit he does have some things right, but so do a lot of "legal hacks" (i.e. people who know some law, enough to mess with your mind) His interpretation on the marriage issue I agree with, ie. do I want to include the government into my spiritual bond with another. (I'm not into 3 ways...) But it is also clear he is also using that argument to rationalize away some emotional instability, ie. lack of commitment (I'm sure many guys on this forum can relate...) It is true I wouldn't want to necessarily register the marriage (until I personally have fully mastered my interpretation of how the registry process works at least) Which I am trying to do right now. But as I can see it, it is more about the separate corporations being integrated in a corporation and a sub corporation. Therein lies another trust relationship! Think long and hard on that one guys!! But there is nothing preventing a private spiritual union in the company of friends and family.

The idea he didn't want anything written on paper, again very clear that he understands the legal implications. But also a clear indication in my mind, that that is the mind of a professional con. In fact I remember someone with the exact same mentality, who would refuse to sign anything even when money was being transacted! And he was definitely a con. I will admit my guard was down while I was watching and I was mesmerized by his obvious intelligence. But that is another issue, people lack discernment today and give their respect too easily to "smart" people, folks... I don't know how many times I have to say it... intelligence doesn't necessarily equal moral integrity.

His quantum language makes absolutely no sense to me and I just finished a TEFL course a few months ago (lol) He makes statements without explaining any underlying mechanism. That is another indication of scam, and some of his rules clearly make no sense whatsoever! in the whole 8+ hours of that lecture he never really explained the underlying nature of anything, just a lot of unrelated information. I now plainly see the self inflated ego, and incredible self assuming 'humility' of the professional con. Cons really do love themselves. I might too, if I was that smart. It is almost too easy for them, and that is actually their downfall. The temptation to take advantage of others is so easy for them. This thread was all the tipping point I needed. The letter describing the people who went to jail sounded like a bunch of nut bars, foolish enough to try his technology. It should be clear, that it is NOT possible for anyone to understand his technology (they would have to be kidding themselves) This is a classic case of being impressed with his dazzling personality, intellect, and the almost unbearable temptation of power that we all seek who study legal knowledge. Thankfully I have been there and done that... LOLOL... The emperor has no clothes!! And bottom line, isn't he essentially saying he is a 'honourary judge' ? Isn't that a little presumptuous ?

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My Court Experience

That said I have just finished and beat a fourth case (4 for 4) in an ongoing trial that took 2 years to come to fruition, (needed time to deal with concurrent issues) with just two more dates in the next month. Based on my five years in this game. I barely know what I am doing. I don't go into court by myself but spend 95% of my time picking out a lawyer who I can work with, and then 'pick their brains' for as much information as possible. The conclusion I have come to, is that I would be completely out of depth on my own in court without assistance, eaten alive in fact. And I have had a lot of information corrected, as well as getting other information validated or discounted... So I can't recommend this approach enough (update: for me, I'm being pragmatic, ie. I am interested in results, so these are training wheels, and it shows that 'potentially' a lawyer can help if the proper 'understanding & relationship' is developed. There is always risk.)

So I am really chocking it up to my experience and ability to develop a one on one relationship with my lawyer. And the first unspoken rule is: I can and will ask as many questions as possible and expect a clear understandable answer, repeated if necessary until I say I understand. And I will ask as many times as I feel is necessary. Simple. And I will gain or lose respect based on my own merits and the quality of both my questions and explanations. ie. keep it real and treat it like business.

I have presented BC documents to my lawyer (but haven't given them, because I am still deliberating on the 'instruction'... and fully discussed my interpretation with him, a fascinating discussion. One of our discussions went 2 1/2 hours after one trial. It was a friendly 'debate' and he realized after a time that he actually couldn't definitively refute my argument, and graciously stated that certain 'trust' issues I was speaking about were 'outside' his forte, and he therefore did not "understand". I will say... When I am wrong he will immediately and uncompromisingly show me the errors of my ways and correct me without hesitation, and thus show me his superior acumen on the subject, for which I am always grateful and full of admiration. Our relationship is that of mutual respect and honourable intentions. He is not intimidated or annoyed by my questions and actually seems to like to explain his craft, and he can be overwhelming in his knowledge.

Regarding my most recent interpretation with the BC/ SOB, (which that 2 1/2 hour conversation was a 'part of' ) he didn't disagree. When he realized where I was going he actually 'back pedaled' somewhat, and actually said he would defer to me on trust interpretation, (saying he didn't understand) and that his forte was criminal law (of which he is brilliant) and then proceeded to explain why the only interpretation was such... (all explained within the confines of statutory interpretation) Which of course I in my turn couldn't disagree with either, as it sounded completely accurate and true... (a 'stalemate'!!) I interpreted this according to our mutual 'code' as agreement. (or at least not far off, as I know he is way too smart to 'not understand', so I understand what he means when he falls back on "I don't understand" ... (lol)

For example at one point the only thing he was disagreeing with was my interpretation of the CCC S.336 which he felt didn't apply to the BC, but I felt he was just diverting, to get away from where I was leading the argument. So I felt it was an unbelievable 'score'. Because that would not be hard to prove at all... ie. that the SOB/BC "title/security/property would fall under the category of "anything" (lol)

So when I look back on the last few months, I have got the clear impression I am on to something. That he has clear limits to what he can say and what he can't say. He knows that I am good at ferreting out information. And yet he respects me for this, and doesn't cower, divert or rationalize for his part which I respect equally. He just now very clearly knows what he can say to me and what he can't and we find a 'happy medium' I am very contented with what information I am gleaning. And can see now how what he doesn't say is just as valuable as what he does say.

For the record my last trial was a couple of very serious alleged criminal charges (driving related, but all statutory, no common law. I think another way to look at "statutory" is an extension of the common law component of contractual obligations to the point of contracting yourself out of your common law rights, if that is possible) and he even allowed me to speak to the judge. The judge immediately pounced on what I was going to say. Demanding an immediate warrant for my arrest for not consenting to acknowledge that I was the NAME when he asked. They are very well rehearsed thanks to a certain "jerk" who has been through our city court systems. In fact I have even been asked directly on one occasion if I knew this other party by name, (which I ignored in order to avoid any more prejudice then I already get... and he was ultimately useless because he never shared any info due to certain paranoid tendencies...)

Anyhow, I just looked to my lawyer and said "your the statutory guy..." (LOLOL) and he immediately said almost the exact same thing that I had shared with him! (that he claimed not to "understand") But it seemed to have a greater effect on the Judge. He told the judge I was a "Freeman" (which made me wince, cause I don't know if I agree with that at all, but he used that word because that's what he knows us by...) and then explained to the Judge that I believed that JOHN DOE was held by the Province of Ontario and one other thing I missed. There was something how he said it, that it was like an alert or caution to the Judge. I am a little peeved with myself, because I wasn't paying attention at his response, it happened so quick, and was almost understated. (these guys all communicate on more then one level constantly, lets just say I wouldn't want to play euchre with them...) In any event, it stopped both the judge and the prosecutor from acting.

This is by no means a freeman approach. I have to humbly admit I have yet to dive fully into Rob Menard's work, and that is by no means to say I don't believe it or respect it. In fact I believe it is fundamentally correct. However what I am finding is that application, ie. rules of court procedure, and a whole bunch of stuff I need to know is absolutely critical.

So through my ongoing question and answer sessions. I would say the feedback has been better then I expected he will either not "understand" or say that he is not sure how it may be relevant (re: introducing BC! - I now know that is a lark, because the issue I am bringing to the table is about "jurisdiction" and the NAME and that IS RELEVANT in EVERY COURT CASE... although granted there are no doubt technical obstacles (like wrong venue?) and in fact he admitted after our last case (which I will conclude in a sec..) that it was only irrelevant because I was in the 'wrong court' and even suggested how to remedy it (motion for court of competent jurisdiction!) Something which I could easily accept, and the issue I was looking for... as I know I have to invoke a 'court of equity' or invoke equity in general... (bingo! and more confirmation!) He also confirmed for me there is no Queens' Bench in Ontario. (as per Dean Clifford, although he is correct it exists in Saskatchewan) And also gave me a new insight into the Charter of Rights as being essentially what he considered to be the closest thing to my cherished 'equity'

It was really a win/win... I let him handle the case as he wants, and he always has a winnable strategy (there are "pleaders" and there are "fighters" and he is a "bullterrier"!) Pleaders are essentially either weak in their knowledge or a** kissers of the court, fighters are still mindful and respectful (of course) but they are strong in their knowledge and stand on their own merits. In this last case I discussed my copies of the SOB/BC to him before trial, explained my interpretation which he has now heard many times... And I asked to enter these documents into evidence (one of the biggest problems I have is entering evidence in court, as they will try to block it, prevent it, threaten me, and on occasion have the police physically remove me before I can do so (i.e. my city is notoriously corrupt and a bastion of freemason membership. At one point the judge was trying to mock my lawyer and made reference to "a parade of Shriners" (?) Their 'clubhouse' is on a football sized lot just outside of the downtown core and is the size of a large castle of small school!) So like I said my biggest obstacle is just understanding due process! and getting past their undue prejudice.

And their knowledge of the guy who I will refer to as the "jerk" doesn't make it any easier... as soon as they get a whiff of what you are trying to establish they cry out "warrant for arrest" immediately before you can say "lickety split" this is all recent in the last few years... (be warned) Anyhow when I asked him that I wanted my docs entered into evidence because the previous lawyer had lied to me that he had done it (but didn't) He suggested I hold off... which I agreed (for better or worse) Since "if it's not broken, don't fix it..."

On my last trial, he agreed to allowing me to "give it my best shot" which lasted all of 2 minutes with the judge calling for my arrest (lol) He pulled me out of course with his explanation of what I was "trying to say" and then proceeded to work his magic. The result, there were 3 witnesses (they were going after me...) by the third witness after lunch the prosecution was coming to him before the start of the third witness after lunch and pulled him aside to say that there were "problems" and he needed 10 minutes to discuss this. I followed them and listened through the wall (lol) They were caving, their testimony was weak, the first had stated on the record, I had said "I don't understand" at least 5 times (LOL But it WAS TRUE!) and the second cop was considered a liar, the third had revealed information that conflicted with the first (without going into more 'detail') I got the clear impression they were backing out to protect the cops from possible perjury charges. You see, the system is designed to protect them, not us... And again he explained to me his incredible logic and how he had tied them up. Another interesting thing that came up was there was a potential issue of a charter right violation... And this is where I discovered that equitable matters CAN and WILL SUPERCEDE statutory law. (But only if your lawyer, or you is good enough to 'catch it' It seems to me the whole 'statutory law system is a sand box' that serves to 1. drain people of their money in a 'legal' way. Deal with all the 'crap' people may bring to court. 2. And its a safe environment where everything is in favour of the government agents. That's why they like to operate there.

But I couldn't help feel in the back of my mind when I showed him the SOB/BC's at the beginning, and especially when he stopped the Judge (what he said) and that I was wanting him to enter into evidence and how he was 'casually' suggesting I 'hold off' first... (he leaves everything on the table...lol) was having some effect. Since he knew I had clearly endorsed them, for settlement, all proceeds and assets to be delivered immediately to beneficiary evidenced herein, as cheque. by DOE, JOHN, for: Her Majesty in Right of Canada... and that I could articulate MY 'understanding' update: I have since realized the wording doesn't reflect my true intentions and I am working on this. Apparently the issue of the 'beneficiary' can be too easily misconstrued and attached back to me... when it is my intention that it be understood to be an extension of the public essentially the Province itself. This is very important and needs to reflect my will and intention of pledging everything to the Province.

Now I am NOT suggesting anyone do this... I was (and still am) trying this out... But I thought it was truly magical how the prosecution had decided to come forward to expose a fatal error in his own clients.... ??? (if you get my meaning...) And I also felt that my lawyer was helping them, avoid putting all their errors on the record because, it could create a liability issue for them (more then what hey got now...)

Can anyone do this?.... I absolutely do NOT suggest it, it is always a risk and has to be based on absolute understanding... And my interpretation on the SOB copy has since already changed slightly... just had to share this, because this was the BIG ONE... took a lot of time to get into the 'position' I wanted, and was an exercise in accepting my limitations and working with what I had...

As for Miller, my advice is this...
DON'T PRETEND TO KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW... That is the essence of scientific honesty... and constant ambiguity usually should be given a negative value in any assessment.

links for my own reference:

previous:
Toronto Police Raided My House
Study The Anomalies (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53603-Toronto-Police-raided-my-house-2-minutes-ago&p=606809&viewfull=1#post606809) (David Clarence)

following:
Benjamin Fulford's Latest Adventures
History Of Oaths (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48487-Benjamin-Fulford-s-Latest-Adventures&p=628495&viewfull=1#post628495)

sigma6

18th January 2013, 18:22

This is the presumption which all courts hold when you bring a complaint (different than a claim) into a district court, which is by its very nature, a tribunal where you cannot be seen or heard because of the fiction operating in fiction. You are lost at sea, presumed dead, and your vessel is in dry dock, and your vessel is being salvaged, liquidated by fictions who have a claim to the salvage rights, under admiralty.

Being presumed dead is just a presumption, a default, and is the only position they can take because no one has stepped up and claimed any interest... Dean Clifford explains this well by saying they did it in England in 1666, and the Romans did it around 200 AD both after great fires... (hmm...)

Where the government had to step in and act as a trustee, until people still living came forward to claim their property. I can see how it is possible that over time this system could be used to take advantage of us. But that is largely only by dumbing us down on our most fundamental rights so we don't even know how to make proper claims! I haven't read through all of this... but I saw Dennis 'bump' and started reading ':)

On another interpretation we can never be seen as being liable for any fiction since there is no way for them to prove we hold any title to anything... I think this is the angle we should be coming from. The issue goes back to "do they have jurisdiction over the body?" I am so focused on my new interpretation I can't see how they have any liability, jurisdiction over us, other then the evidence of "signatures" which are derived from what used to be 'sworn oaths'.

(update: Not including the plethora of 'mickey mouse' presumptions they create in the court house to literally almost force you into their jurisdiction... that could be a whole separate thread... I am talking about the ones they use to even consider trying to 'drag you in, in the first place...)

ie. they come to this presumption via evidence of our "signatures" (start marking them as authorization for starters...) on documents indicating that we are trying to be the OWNER (which is the NAME) that makes us Trustees de sont tort, and translates into jurisdiction, surety, and access to our physical body. This is one presumption that needs to be unequivocally rebutted.

I am trying to figure out if there is ANY wording that can qualify the "authorization" to establish the proper relationship. This is turning out to be a more subtle issue then I anticipated.

Rollo

21st January 2013, 23:16

Here are some of his revelations in one short video.

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gripreaper

22nd January 2013, 01:53

On another interpretation we can never be seen as being liable for any fiction since there is no way for them to prove we hold any title to anything... I think this is the angle we should be coming from. The issue goes back to "do they have jurisdiction over the body?" I am so focused on my new interpretation I can't see how they have any liability, jurisdiction over us, other then the evidence of "signatures" which are derived from what used to be 'sworn oaths'.

(update: Not including the plethora of 'mickey mouse' presumptions they create in the court house to literally almost force you into their jurisdiction... that could be a whole separate thread... I am talking about the ones they use to even consider trying to 'drag you in, in the first place...)

ie. they come to this presumption via evidence of our "signatures" (start marking them as authorization for starters...) on documents indicating that we are trying to be the OWNER (which is the NAME) that makes us Trustees de sont tort, and translates into jurisdiction, surety, and access to our physical body. This is one presumption that needs to be unequivocally rebutted.

I am trying to figure out if there is ANY wording that can qualify the "authorization" to establish the proper relationship. This is turning out to be a more subtle issue then I anticipated.

Yes, any controversy, which the local district attempts to "indict" you with, should be shot down right at the beginning with jurisdictional challenge, via a process server under special appearance directly to the clerk of the court.

It takes your agreement to enter into a controversy. Once the case has been entered, that case is just like a promissory note and is deposited as a draft and is considered currency. In order to rebut the presumption, you must recognize the "trust" setup, who is acting as the trustee, and who is acting as the beneficiary, and then appoint the prosecutor as the trustee and announce yourself as the beneficiary, without crossing the bar and entering into contract.

Yes, I've listened to Dean Clifford as well as Menard, two very knowledgeable Canadians. We have a plethora of teachers here in the US, too numerous to mention.

AS long as we use TRUSTS and CONTRACTS as the basis for the context through which we view this rabbit hole, it gets easier to see the forest for the trees.

Thanks for your input sigma. I find very few who understand in depth the full implications of the fraud and how it was perpetuated, or how to address it and deal with it.

Daozen

22nd January 2013, 03:33

I don't trust this guy at all. I find Charles C Miller to be a much better source of info...

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sigma6

22nd January 2013, 11:31

OK,
this is not a total recant, but I do have a friend whom I highly admire for his dedication, research abilities, unbelievably keen insight, intellect and logic. (and I thought I had something going on (lol)) anyhow... David Wynn Miller came up in our conversation and he mentioned that he HAD studied it over 10 years ago!!! I was floored. So I asked him what the h*** he was all about... He DID tell me that in fact he did learn A LOT. AND he mentioned that he studied this syntax (mumbo jumbo to me) And that after SEVERAL months DID learn it... AND the punch line... It wasn't accepted into court. It seems the problem is this, short and simple, if you want to justify speaking a 'new language' in court... the onus on you is to justify it, so you many end up having to get a translator (call David himself?) or maybe another several months taking the "How to justify and prove the validity of quantum language in court" program for another several months (or maybe years?) So unless you want to spend several MORE months and years, you will have also have to justify why the hell you are speaking like a computer program... Given David's experience it almost sounds to me like he developed an almost 'idiot savant' (for lack of a better word) like ability where logical analysis of diction became salient to his mind. But I still think, that all he is doing at the end of the day is creating something akin to a computer program language, which very well could have merit. (artificial intelligence?) who knows...

In any event, I was quite impressed with my friend after this, and wondered if that kind of discipline of studying grammar forms had affected his capacity to logically analyze in general and read other material. Because his mind and thinking reminds me Spock on Star Trek sometimes (not his persona) but his capacity to elucidate and infer is incredible.

So I have to now adjust my original post. I still think David may be shy a few bricks, but then again, that seems to go hand in hand with a lot of genius' And it does sound like the emotional immaturity part (for whatever reason) is there, from her writing the wife doesn't sound to me like she is 'full blown' crazy, and I am not going to judge another man's personal relationship, but can only make the assumptions based on her text, and expressing details like his not wanting to write anything down is just too specific, and would not come out of the mind of a fantasy fiction writer, that is a specific, calculated and premeditated legal maneuver. And therefore stands as reasonable, valid and thus plausible. How he was charging $400 a pop, etc, was properly qualified by saying he had some justification. ( I am sure he did ':o ...)

In other words I still think he is a genius, has created some form of interpretation of grammar application. But English, even as spoken in courts of law, using legal dictionary parlance is still an accepted dialect. Also I believe Equity would cover any discrepancies. Equity operates at the highest level of interpretation of law, as it operates in trust. Equity looks to the "intent" of the parties. So if a word was misspelled for example, that wouldn't necessarily negate its meaning, as long as the original intent was still clear. As for the personal stuff, it does sound like David may very well have compromised his interpretation of moral integrity. Think about it, for all practical intents and purposes, from where I am sitting, this guy has been flying under the radar for decades. Just the kind of thing that could very well breed the kind of moral rationalizations that would tempt any living soul. I do think the easy money and god like adulation of 10s of thousands could easily have done that. His inflated value of a billion practitioners is a clear indication to me of an over inflated ego identification. That is just not mathematically believable to me. Consider that would represent almost 1 out of every 7 people on this planet. Reminds me of numbers that insurance companies use to scare people into buying insurance, etc... Like I said a few bricks missing (but then again, on the other hand, who amongst us has a full load!?)

sigma6

24th January 2013, 01:00

Speak o' the devil...

DAVID WYNN MILLER

re: Quantum Grammar, ETs & Earth

Wednesday, Jan 23, 2013 today!

TIME: 7-9pm Pacific Time in a couple of hours!
LISTEN WEDNESDAY (that's today!)
American Freedom Radio
starringggg... the lovely and talented... KERRY CASSIDY!!!
(muppets in the background going "yeyyyy!!!".)

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/listen_live.html

Some topics covered in David Wynn Miller's videos...

1. North Korea detonated a nuclear bomb and caused 9+ Chilean Earthquake and the one in Christ Church, as well as the Japanese tsunami that resulted in Fukushima which is still not under control and pouring radiation into the sea.

2. North Korea has now buried a hydrogen bomb in a fissure in the crust of the Earth... Which if triggered using a 'shape charge' going through the magma... it would send a wave along the 43rd parallel... San Francisco & London would be affected in a dire way...and more... Blackmail leverage anyone? Let's hope mutally assured destruction is a deterrant.

3. ET base in Greenland has been here for 50,000 years and that base is still operational. They are the Easter Island Giants...

4. Quantum Grammar - this is changing contract law around the world and will have serious ramifications on Wall Street and the financial system worldwide.

"Mathematics become relevant because of ET, as well as Earth's own ability to communicate peacefully."-- David Wynn Miller

LISTEN LIVE TONIGHT 7PM PST

Hey can someone let me in the theater by the back door!? (I promise I won't shoot the place up...)

sigma6

25th January 2013, 00:19

Listened to the interview... not bad it was his same old schtick... Credit to Kerry to try and shake him up a bit with some rather aggressive questioning... but he is too practiced in public speaking to have been ruffled enough to say anything more then he always does... But I did like how she was trying to push the envelope... lol

And she brought up two things that really stuck in my craw as well, which still sound absolutely bizarre. That all the presidents (not the majority, but ALL) are left handed. And that the right brain is considered the logical side. This is bizarre. I took psyche for four years, and every source that I have studied says the exact opposite... ie. that analytical thinking is assoicated with the left brain. I mean where is he coming from saying something like this knowing millions of people can search hundreds of references on the internet today??? Just weird! http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=is-it-true-that-creativit
With no apparent awareness of the current state of understanding... like he doesn't seem to be aware this is the common interpretation?

The left handed president thing I am sure can't be true, but have no immediate evidence either way, but doesn't even sound statistically possible... because odds makers could use that to change odds... and would absolutely know about stuff like that... as well as predictors like psychics, forecasters, etc... just doesn't make sense...

Hughe

25th January 2013, 01:17

Corrupted power laughs at written words on papers. Most court cases are rigged.

There are two root speaking languages scientists discovered so far: Western and Eastern. How long would it take to a race develop modernized speaking language? It probably took at least half million to millions years. Using speaking language people exchange communications, able to create collective intelligence. And then finally humans invented the amazing tool - writing symbols and medium to store information beyond time. But I doubt it honestly. Why because on planet Earth there is only one writing language that has complete blue print of alphabets, Hangul, invented by Dao Lee and fellow Korean scientists 600 years ago. Dao Lee is called the Great King Sejong. He was a king of Josun, old Korea.

Why Lee invented Hangul? He got so pissed off experiencing the inefficiency of Chinese alphabet. Koreans had used it over 5,000 years to write Korean. The problem is that Chinese alphabet is so absurd, hard to learn. It takes twenty to thirty years for reading and writing it. (Chinese alphabet had 50,000 characters.) Brilliant tool for power elites who could pass down secret knowledge and information to control general public. Hangul was a language for human liberation. Well, the elites of Korea still love Chinese alphabet.

English alphabet has twenty some characters. English writes down sound of speaking English. That's why it's easy to learn. Hangul does the same with added mathematical rules. It can write down any speaking languages on Earth. English can't. So linguists on 20th century invented international pronunciation symbols. But again it has lack of scientific rules.
Most language dictionaries have the pronunciation symbols. Korean dictionary doesn't have it because Hangul expresses the exact sound and semantics of speaking word.

About his new language, why he uses flawed English alphabet to express PERFECT language he created? He is the superhuman he is telling, he had to invent new language for the great idea.

One thing I like to add is anybody can create new words for assign special meanings. Words are collective agreement among members of a group. It could be possible ETs taught (injected) flawed language to ancient humans for enslavement. Entire human race has been stuck since then.

I think true language is telepathy, which exchanges information directly between two parties without flaw or manipulation of meaning.

apokalypse

25th January 2013, 03:55

gripreaper

25th January 2013, 06:26

I think true language is telepathy, which exchanges information directly between two parties without flaw or manipulation of meaning.

agree, our current language on planet earth is very limited to describe some of the things beyond our imagination. people who have NDE or contacted like Alex Collier sees and feel, when they come back and unable to describe it because there's no word for it...

one thing really fascinate me is the languages, their tone sound all the same but it have different meaning and words...another day i hear Korean people talking and all i hear is same kind of tone for 20 minutes. i have no clue what they saying but it fascinate me about same kind of tone and interpret into different meanings and words.

If you try and back engineer linguistics, and go back to Egypt and look at the hieroglyphs, what you will find is that some of the earliest language was symbols, which required the emotion as well as the unified brain of both hemispheres to "grok"

I use the world "grok" because we don't really have a point of reference for understanding with our split, predominantly left logical brain, to which most languages adhere. It's basically babble in fiction.

The missing component, at least in my speculation, is the quantum energetics, such as the resonant energy centers of the chakras, both front and back, coalescing with the divine spiritual matrix, causing instant manifestation. For example, do you know what it feels like when the will center of the back of your heart chakra is transmitting or receiving a signal, in conjunction with a unified brain and the core visceral emotions?

The signal, when transmitted up and down the double helix of the dijed, the caduceus of the inner highway, and it vibrates the same resonant tone of all the other chakras, while stimulating the glands and releasing the hormones, gives a full spectrum signal to the quantum.

This is why David's parse syntax grammar, referenced as quantum, and also referenced as mathematical, as well as energetic, is not so easily dismissed by me. I'm not convinced David has cracked the code, as he claims, but I'm excited at the possibility that such a linguistic synthesis is possible, and sure needs to happen.

The idea of removing divisiveness and miscommunication from both the physical and the quantum field, is staggering in it's implications and is worth pursuing.

apokalypse

25th January 2013, 09:27

i'm into 30 mins interview of david miller with Projectcamelot and i find this guy one of typical Mainstream guy...one of the thing he keep bragging about is the success of his work and the success what he do. i don't know if he aware that projectcamelot is alternative media.

David Miller need to stick with his topic on Quantum Grammer but if they went out of topic then he will be destroyed...

Realeyes

25th January 2013, 09:28

The idea of removing divisiveness and miscommunication from both the physical and the quantum field, is staggering in it's implications and is worth pursuing.

Gripreaper thank you for your well written posts on this subject!

I personally find David Wynn Miller most fascinating, not only on the potential quantum grammar side, but also the genius enigma that he is. I have watched all of the 24 videos, listened to Kerry's brilliant interview and still find myself wanting to hear more from David. He holds many mysteries besides the 'judge hat', in regards to perhaps being a future being, E.T. contactee, Time Traveler and knowledge of repeating timelines (Ground Hog Day) and Soul knowledge of how to incarnate consciously awake. David as I see it, is one of those wise courageous World Players of Change for this planet, with a fabulous BIG focus to spread this wisdom into working E.T. treaties! What a Mind! I am quite humbled.

I have several great minded friends who like myself have spiralled into deep contemplations and conversations with what David speaks about. We can all sense that future frequency that surrounds his genius, BEingness, knowingness and Soul. I would love to buy David a beer and have a friendly chat with him - I love his mind!

I have also learnt a lot from observing the comments on this thread - I was surprised to see that Wikipedia is now deemed a source of fact by some members.... how others jump in with opinions before watching what David is about.... AND big smiles to those members whose minds can stretch far into Future Mind potentials and wisdom. :love:

apokalypse

25th January 2013, 10:35

for his information regarding Law and Quantum Gramma is unknown but this guy is so full of himself and load of crap. regarding the court and law that is it established by Corporations aka United State-Australia-UK...ect? this guy should meet guys like Jordan Maxwell-Kate of Gaia or Dean Glifford.

i love Kerry Cassidy interview style...she really exposed alot of people..

jackovesk

25th January 2013, 15:33

I have emailed David Wynn Millers' Seminar on You Tube to a prominent 'International Arbitration Lawyer' based in Europe for their opinion...

Will get back to you, when I receive their reply...

Forgive me Dave, but is that a 'Rug' ontop of your head...:noidea:

20167

RMorgan

25th January 2013, 15:53

Forgive me Dave, but is that a 'Rug' ontop of your head...:noidea:

No! It´s not possible, Jack!

Don´t you remember that he stopped aging several decades ago when he had his two kidneys and heart removed from his body and then resurrected with a 200 points IQ?

Honestly, I can´t understand why Kerry keeps interviewing such kind of people...Does she have a secret desire to ruin her own reputation?

I´m worried that she has been programmed with some sort of self-sabotage suggestion.

I tend to believe that she´s not spreading disinformation deliberately, but she ends up doing it anyway by interviewing individuals like him and advertising them for Project Camelot´s very large audience.

Raf.

Referee

25th January 2013, 17:42

Here is Kerry's Interview

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gripreaper

26th January 2013, 02:59

Why is the notion that having one's adrenal glands removed, eliminates the fight or flight adrenaline response of FEAR, and magnifies and stimulates the endocrine system, increases endorphins, which subsequently activates the unified brain and the synapses between the right and left hemispheres are increased, and stops the aging process?

Do any of you have any evidence to support that this is not so? If not, then this hypothesis deserves to remain open if and until it can be reasonably debunked.

Ultima Thule

26th January 2013, 11:29

I can´t provide anything concrete, but let´s say in a comparison that when a person is in a state of adrenal fatigue, when adrenals function below their normal level, not producing high enough quantities of stress hormones, ie. cortisol, adrenaline and nor-adrenaline, he feels miserable. Stress hormones are basically essential in not only enabling a person to react to stressful situations, but also just to really wake up and begin the days activitity.

Also another comparison: when a person is deficient in vitamin c, which is essential in stress-hormone production, he will respond poorly to stressful situations, basically the stressful factors seem bigger and unsurpassable more propably.

Given these two examples and the very essential function the adrenals have in the hpa-feedback-axis, I would think that removal of adrenal glands is not a good thing. They are however sometimes taken out to cure cushings syndrome, but after that the hormones need to be replaced, or you're buggered..(to my understanding that is)

UT

jackovesk

27th January 2013, 04:31

I got up to the 16th Clip...

...and I could'nt stop thinking

We may? have another 'Charles' on our hands, albeit in a different light...:scared:

I just can't get past, why on earth he would be helping the likes of the...

United Nations (Criminal Organisation)
Bill Gates (Criminal)
Rothschild (Criminal)
Bill Clinton (Criminal)
US Govt. (Criminal 'Rogue' Govt.)
Black Op Corporations (Criminal Entities)

Just to name a few...:faint:

The - Jury - Is still Out: On this One ~

PS - Thank God, most have honed their 'Discernment Skills' since the 'Charles Fiasco'...:)

apokalypse

27th January 2013, 06:16

i don't know what to say but coming to alternative media bragging about helping the Governments and other 1% is one of dumbest thing to do...didn't he call himself 92 degree mason? the sheep will believe him but on alternative media certainly not.

one other thing that he claim that he is unique just like Bill Gate(i only remember he mention this guy) with Microsoft and now he's unique because of what he do like Quantum Grammer.

gripreaper

27th January 2013, 20:02

grannyfranny100

27th January 2013, 20:24

Rmorgan, thank you:

"Honestly, I can´t understand why Kerry keeps interviewing such kind of people...Does she have a secret desire to ruin her own reputation? I´m worried that she has been programmed with some sort of self-sabotage suggestion. I tend to believe that she´s not spreading disinformation deliberately, but she ends up doing it anyway by interviewing individuals like him and advertising them for Project Camelot´s very large audience. "

Thank you for saying this. I agree that Kerry is not being very selective and/or vetting her guests adequately and I appreciate knowing that others share this view.

As the internet audience grows, Kerry seems to be marketing Project Camelot as an information Walmart. There are other interviewers I prefer such as Red Ice Radio with Henrik Palmgren and OffPlanet Radio Live with Randy Maugans.

To each their own.

DarMar

27th January 2013, 21:43

I´m worried that she has been programmed with some sort of self-sabotage suggestion.

You are veeeery close :)
It isnt rocket science, just take interviews from before divide of camelot team and now .. its so obvious

lunaflare

28th January 2013, 05:03

jackovesk

28th January 2013, 07:23

I just can't get past, why on earth he would be helping the likes of the...

United Nations (Criminal Organisation)
Bill Gates (Criminal)
Rothschild (Criminal)
Bill Clinton (Criminal)
US Govt. (Criminal 'Rogue' Govt.)
Black Op Corporations (Criminal Entities)

Just to name a few...:

He's challenging these organizations, telling them that all of their shenanigans are fictitious, and mean nothing. The fact that he is rewriting charters in parse sytnax grammar, is putting these organizations on notice that they can no longer obfuscate and unilaterally drive consciousness energetically and on the quantum level, towards nefarious and psychopathic means.

Sure, he helped Bill Clinton to win his battle with the courts, by teaching him syntax, when he said. "It depends on what the definition of IS is." The courts backed off and left him alone, since he was going to blow open the whole can of worms and unravel the whole matrix of lies.

We need to stop thinking in psycho babble and try to use our integrated quantum minds to discern this stuff. You think some little piss ant like Drake is going to go up against these institutions, or would it be a 92nd degree mason from another timeline who has the masonic books and signatures from the mid 1800's to prove it?

The - Jury - Is still Out: On this One ~

I agree. Keeping an open mind on this one, but with my spidey senses on full alert.

Another thing...

Sure, he helped Bill Clinton to win his battle with the courts, by teaching him syntax, when he said. "It depends on what the definition of IS is." The courts backed off and left him alone, since he was going to blow open the whole can of worms and unravel the whole matrix of lies.

How do we know he was part of Bill Clintons Legal Team..?

How do we know anything of which he claims..?

He's intelligent and has knack for numbers and knows what going on with the legal system, etc

Many people who attempted to use his "quantum parse syntax grammar" failed in courts...

When Miller's followers file phony lawsuits Korte gets the call. "That can be pretty disturbing when you get some document that says I can have you arrested." Traumatic for the victim, whether it's a judge or private business owner. It's also against the law. And some of Miller's followers have paid the price. Korte told us, "Several of these people have been sentenced to prison."

http://www.todaystmj4.com/features/specialassignment/116506953.html

He says there has never been a right-handed president...:bs:

Being dead and autopsied with his kidneys removed and his heart outside his body for 35 minutes, then being miraculously sewn back together and then waking up with an IQ of 200 and never aging a day since...:bs:

Miller claims that North Korea caused all of the problems with Japan's nuclear plants...:bs:

Anyways, that'll do me...:noidea:

:JACK-O-VESK:

Malerogro

30th January 2013, 14:20

To me it was extremely fascinating to let myself be captured by Miller's logic. I approached it as an introduction into the language games that are being played by governments, business, and science.
The problem is that Miller himself is a master in playing such games and I absolutely did not believe for one moment that he would come up with a solution to the problem. He only perpetuates the problem by arrogantly claiming to have a monopoly over the ultimate mathematical language which will force all countries over the world into world peace. Control of language is the key to peace? If we have learned anything so far I think is that control and peace do not go well together ;)
In short David Miller's lecture, I think, is best approached as an introduction into the problem and not into a solution. We do not need more language games and the fight is not to be fought in court. There are no solutions to be found inside of the system that is enslaving us.
David Wynn Miller might well be a psychopath, like many others who responded to this thread I do not feel any genuinly warmth coming from him. He reminds me of Dutch anthropologist Joris Luyendijk who studied the psychology and culture of bankers as Asperger-like. Miller might feel at home. Unfortunately it is mostly in Dutch but there are a few famous bankers who are interviewed so they speak English: http://www.uitzendinggemist.nl/afleveringen/1316967 He also appeared for a commision on standards in banking to discuss his research.
David Wynn Miller does not speak the language of the heart so he misses the point all together in finding world peace. I do not believe peace is his core motivation at all, not even intellectually let alone from a heart perspective. He might or might not have darker political motives, but it might be just to feel important and invincible personally.
Anyway, I decided not to engage myself with him any further, yet like Ghandi (he had to come up in my first post :)) said 'I cannot detach myself from the wickedest soul' and we shouldn't :)

Malerogro

30th January 2013, 15:02

As a response to Gripreaper and I quote (sorry forgot to click quote, I am new to this):
"The missing component, at least in my speculation, is the quantum energetics, such as the resonant energy centers of the chakras, both front and back, coalescing with the divine spiritual matrix, causing instant manifestation. For example, do you know what it feels like when the will center of the back of your heart chakra is transmitting or receiving a signal, in conjunction with a unified brain and the core visceral emotions?

The signal, when transmitted up and down the double helix of the dijed, the caduceus of the inner highway, and it vibrates the same resonant tone of all the other chakras, while stimulating the glands and releasing the hormones, gives a full spectrum signal to the quantum".

It sounds to me that you are giving a much more beautiful and meaningul interpretation of quantum grammar than Miller does himself ;) I do see hope in your version! but not in Millers..

Sirius White

14th February 2013, 05:24

As much as I'd like to jump on the " he's a fraud" bandwagon- the letter from his ex-wife proves nothing to me except that she's slightly bitter and extremely religious.

Is he a fraud? Probably. Does he have some valid points....I think so. But overall, it's a bit TOO much. Still he's harder to read then most that I've come across. He seems to be legitimately connected to" someone," but whether he is disinfo (deliberately or not) is up for grabs.

There is ONE thing that REALLY caught my attention. His aura is VERY easy to see to me, which tells me he has some either natural level of energetic development, or he trains/extends it himself. Very interesting character..

Although the fact that he not only supposedly works with all of them but " helps" all the aforementioned parties (and if he is as supposed 92 degree Freemason) then clearly he's still either working for someone or not.

He may be one of those people that has some valid genius but then, because of the way his brain is wired picks up all sorts of random **** (thoughts, ideas) and forms delusions based around them. I have met some people like that. in that case, you have to take what makes sense and discard all the phony stuff.....

Interesting dude even if he is more than likely a fraud.

apokalypse

20th February 2013, 22:27

in regards to language, if a new born child straight out of mother worm raise by animals until he became an adult then is possible that he only able to communicate with that animals or he able to communicate with all type of animals?

dadoffourkids

6th March 2013, 02:50

17 Video Playlist here:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL967B69BA4225EF8D

Flash

6th March 2013, 03:19

This guy is fast with speech. He talks "at" you and I find this style very draining. I found this to also be the case with Asheyana Deane (Anna Hayes).
I did try to see beyond this, however. I did try to listen, but found it jarring and so ego driven.
I also found that in this interview David did not always listen to the question. I felt he was reeling off information as if his mind locked into a script; snapped into the vernacular of the "law". Does information truly have to be so complex?
Is this not the ruse of the legal system (tower of babel/babble)
I was confused when he said the right brain was logical. Did he really mean the right brain hemisphere?
Can someone shed some light here? This is kind of a basic.
Is not the right side of the brain the intuitive/artistic/non-spacial/ that governs the left side of body....
Not sure all presidents are left handed either
I did not get much out of this interview. ...I wanted to as the subject matter sounded really intriguing.

you are right, the left brain is logical, sequential, verbal while the right brain is holistic, creative, social,etc, that was the theory. It has been proven false actually, in parts (there is for example a bit of language functions in the right brain, most being in the left, etc.).

I have seen on the web while typing his name + complaints, hundreds of court cases that he lost and people saying he is a fraud, not only his wife. But he surely knows how to convince with words!!!

genevieve

10th May 2015, 16:48

I listened to DWM at about the time this thread was started and had a real hard time with his ego and his presentation style, so I didn't pursue his info.

I came across him a few days ago and watched this video and am once again intrigued:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkLNShrp90A

In this video he hardly talks about himself and he makes his info MUCH more understandable. It's 1 hour 34 minutes long, and the first 45 minutes are what I consider to be a nearly understandable explanation of parse syntax grammar. I will be listening to it again.

So anyone out there who was put off by his self-puffery and the seemingly inexplicable grammar in the original set of vids but was somewhat intrigued, try this vid.

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
genevieve

P.S. Even if you don't watch the vid, do read gripreaper's Post #51 on Page 3 of this thread.

Zanshin

4th June 2015, 11:05

For an in depth examination of DWM's use of Quantum Language please check out the link below.

http://www.cic-root.com/living-temple/CIC-Living-Temple-200901-09.mp3

If the link doesn't get you straight there - go to http://creditorsincommerce.com/audio-living-temple

Living Temple classes; session 9, Quantum Language.
(there is a disclaimer page where all viewers must agree to PRIVATE use only of the material therein.)

The audios are free - for visual also, paid membership is required. For those with discernment and
capable of critical thought, the audio should suffice.

It is my considered opinion that Brandon Adams is one of the foremost proponents of the commercial law
movement. He thinks enough of Miller's material that he devotes an entire class out of 24 to examining
this subject. He also gives his reasons why Miller's initial successes did not snowball into the paradigm-
shifting event most in the redemption movement are seeking.
You will note that some of the disclaimers on the CIC website are actually written in parse syntax.

Please don't be put off by Brandon's 2 min. disclaimer at the start of the (any) session - but rather
listen to an expert in contract law defining his contractual position succinctly and unambiguously.