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Cidersomerset
14th January 2013, 11:11
This is a very good documentry that highlights a lot of what the alternate
researchers have been trying to point out. Especialy with every uprising in the
Middle East being blamed on Al Qaeda......Al Qaeda does not exit, it is a CIA
contruct, an entity invented to be able to be prosecuted in American courts like
criminal gangs, ie the Maffia etc....

Everyone should watch this and show your friends that do not believe the Neo cons
exagerated the muslimists power and reach. I've watched bits of this before
and just watched the whole episode, this shows what a scam the war on Terror was
and still is !!

Yes Terrorism exists and always has mainly state sponcered. Not how the World
has be led to believe !!

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The link above has expired , heres a shorter version....

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The mainstream have done some good documentries but they have been
buried by government propaganda like every thing else !

Its all lies to keep the elites in power, the mil ind complex from
a peace dividened after the cold war and other agendas these
crooks have to keep the population in fear and the 1% in control !!


As the narrator concludes at the end the Neo -Cons have created
"A Fantasy of fear " ! .....

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CIA Agent Exposes How Al-Qaeda Dosen't Exist


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Hillary Clinton : We created Al-Qaeda



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Uploaded on 27 Dec 2011


In this video Hilary Clinton admits that the US government created and funded Al-
Qaeda in order to fight the soviet union, and she even considers that as a good
thing. But she claims that the Americans are fighting Al-Qaeda nowadays. If you
really fighting Al-Qaeda, then who are the scums and terrorists you used in order to
topple the government of Qaddafi in Libya... The American media describes "Aldel
Hakim Belhaj" as an x-terrorist or as an x-jihadist. How funny and hypocrite!
Did his brain develop suddenly? or what are the marks that made him an x-
Jihadist? There is only one reason... The American needed him, so they whitened
his page and he became suddenly an x-Jihadist... Wait a couple of years to see him
again an active jihadist when the Americans don't need his services...
Al-Qaeda didn't leave the US government bed... Let us review the history and see
that Al-Qaeda acts served only the US foreign policy... Al-Qaeda terrorists are
multipurpose fighters who are being used efficiently by the US government...

Tesla_WTC_Solution
14th January 2013, 12:15
Thank you for your bravery (we say that a lot on avalon huh!) in speaking out about 9-11 truth!

Not only is it ludicrous to blame Arabs for NORAD standing down, it's ludicrous to think that two planes hitting the tops of two towers could somehow destroy the basement.

I will watch this (hardly ever watch linked vids lol) one.

Veterans for 9-11 Truth!!!!

EYES WIDE OPEN
14th January 2013, 12:53
Adam Curtis is a great documentary film maker. His other stuff is worth checking out too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curtis
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/

steveofengland
14th January 2013, 14:31
Now the french are at it too, in an attempt to rid Marli / north Africa of al-quaeda who seem to be getting around these days?
And the uk has just loaned the french two C17 transport planes to drop french troops and supplies. The french have begun bombing raids in the north.

Rebels of the al-Qaeda-linked Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa (Mujao), said that France would pay for its intervention.

Spokesman Abou Dardar told AFP: "France has attacked Islam. We will strike at the heart of France."

Another spokesman, Oumar Ould Hamaha, told Europe 1 radio: "France has opened the gates of hell for all the French. She has fallen into a trap which is much more dangerous than Iraq, Afghanistan or Somalia."

Could be a move for a false flag event in France?

Source and more info
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21009368

BMJ
14th January 2013, 14:51
So the whole war on terror as we know it has been faked, to back this up take a look at this old chestnut from General Wesley Clark.

Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years
Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

Cidersomerset
14th January 2013, 15:11
Now the french are at it too, in an attempt to rid Marli / north Africa of al-quaeda who seem to be getting around these days?
And the uk has just loaned the french two C17 transport planes to drop french troops and supplies. The french have begun bombing raids in the north.

Rebels of the al-Qaeda-linked Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa (Mujao), said that France would pay for its intervention.


Yes the French are blaming Al Qaeda Terrorists , Surprise ! Surprise !

There may well be internal rebels and problems, but to link them
to ' Cia Ada' is obviously scare mongering !!
( Mali is an ex French colony ).

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Cidersomerset
14th January 2013, 15:16
So the whole war on terror as we know it has been faked, to back this up take a look at this old shestnut from General Wesley Clark.

Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years
Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

Thanks BMJ some of it would be like a 'Monty python ' sketch if it was not so serious !!



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Other possible reasons to be in Afghanistan are Drugs, Oil , Metals and Corporate
proffits at the expence of the blood of many on both sides, many by Afghan Allies



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Re: CIA and Drugs

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33146-CIA-and-Drugs


LSD test on British troops in the 60's.....It soon became clear that war would
become difficult if the troops were high.....The soldier climbing a tree to feed the
birds is . 'EPIC'....The Us did similar trials!




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Drugs were a major problem in the Vietnam war and freely available, as the CIA
were flying them back to the States and controlling the drug market.In Afghanistan
drug production has increased under the protection of the coalition !

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The military have learn't from the mistakes of Vietnam,and the troops better
monitored but the drugs are still going into the illegal markets of the west !

Cidersomerset
14th January 2013, 16:03
I have started several threads as part of what is a bigger 'strategic' Neo con plan for
the 'New American century' , which was the basis of this foriegn policy originaly,
but it has progressed from there imo !


'US created forces it spends money fighting against' - Taliban ex-captive
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49817-US-created-forces-it-spends-money-fighting-against-Taliban-ex-captive


This is a interresting interview, again I could have put it on many
different threads but only a few would have watched.Its another
insight to the merky conflict in Afghanistan !



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Published on 15 Sep 2012 by RussiaToday


Jere Van Dyk is a former TV correspondent and Taliban expert (and was once held captive by them).
He believes the Taliban is poorly understood in the West, but that better understanding is key for US foreign policy.

He shares his views with RT - READ FULL SCRIPT http://on.rt.com/gx5ukm
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As was said at the end of the interview , the conflict is more complicated than portrayed.
The border between the two countries were drawn up by colonial bureaucratics, and the
people living on the ground do not acknowledge it ...

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This applies to many other current and recent conflicts ....Israel , Palistine ,Syria ,Ireland
spain, Nigeria, sri Lanka ,Georgia, Chechnya former Yugoslavia and more !!


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49817-US-created-forces-it-spends-money-fighting-against-Taliban-ex-captive

Cidersomerset
14th January 2013, 20:22
The US led coalition invaded Afghanistan because they were
harbouring Osama Bin Laden, it was not as simple as that !


The Taliban offered to put osama Bin Ladin on "Trial"
and they were even willing to send him to Saudi Arabia
or another Islamic country or have the UN monitor him
if the US could present evidence he was a terrorist.
This interview was pre 9/11 and the Taliban was trying
to establish relations with Washington.

Bin Laden was a hero of the rebelion against the Soviets
in Afghanistan and was reconised as such by
President Ronald Reagan in the eighties.He was not
a 'Bogey Man ' picked out of nowhere, he was well
known to American intelligence and supported by
them against the Soviets .

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Evidence now available from various sources, including recently declassified
US State Department documents, shows that the Taliban regime led by
Mullah Mohammad Omar imposed strict isolation on Osama bin Laden after
1998 to prevent him from carrying out any plots against the United States.
It also bolsters the credibility of Taliban statements in recent months
asserting that it has no interest in Al Qaeda's global jihadist aims.

Cidersomerset
14th January 2013, 20:33
George Galloway is a controversial politition both sides of the 'pond'
He is married to a lady from the middle east and is familier with
the area and its customs.He even went to congress to answer
his critics about the invasion of Iraq and his meeting with Sadam
Hussain.


'West invented Al-Qaeda, monster turned on master'

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Published on 17 Jul 2012 by RussiaToday


RT's Laura Smith discusses Britain's domestic and foreign policy with a
controversial UK MP George Galloway who sheds light on agendas
debated behind closed doors.

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14th January 2013, 23:11
Its Al Queda-R-US as far as I am concerned. Except now I understand they are changing the name of the cia-mossad-French-M15-Saudi terrorists to make it sound like its a different group.

Tesla_WTC_Solution
14th January 2013, 23:58
the Neocons don't want to let us have the freedom to shape our own futures.

that is the opposite of what the founding fathers fought for and gave to us.

liberty, democracy!!!!!! life, happiness!!!!!

PLANT THE BUSHES
^new bumper sticker idea

norman
15th January 2013, 00:10
The CIA admits using the MSM to manipulate the USA, so why would we expect it to be any different in France or Britain or wherever..?

As Bill Cooper said, in 1989, it's a global operation.





“The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media.”
– William Colby, former CIA director

“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”
– William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting, 1981)

“Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the State.”
– James Angleton, head of CIA counter intelligence from 1954-1974

“I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in forty-seven, if I had known it would become the American Gestapo.”
– Harry S. Truman

“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”
– J. Edgar Hoover, ex-FBI director on the New World Order conspiracy

“If the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts.”
– George H. W. Bush

” I will splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds.”
– John F. Kennedy

“Fifty men have run America, and that’s a high figure.”
– Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, in the July 26th, l936 issue of The New York Times

“There is no such thing, at this date of the world’s history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar weekly salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities, and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.”
– John Swinton, former New York Times Chief of Staff



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLVnjD_7KCw&feature=youtu.be

- CIA Controlled Media: CIA Admits Using News To Manipulate the USA (The Intel Hub, Feb. 27, 2012):

An archived clip of different Congressional hearings exposes the fact that the CIA directly plants stories in the media, both in the United States and the rest of the world.

Question: Do you have any people being paid by the CIA who are contributing to a major circulation journal?

Answer: We do have people who submit pieces to American journals.

Question: Do you have any people paid by the CIA who are working for television networks?

Answer: This I think gets into the details id like to get into in executive session. (so the public doesn’t hear how we control all the networks)

Considering that this was going on in the 1950s, it is highly likely that this is happening now and at a much larger extent. The CIA and other government agencies literally control the corporate controlled media.

Anytime you hear a story on the major networks that has any implication in US foreign or domestic policy rest assured that it was, at the very least, vetted by the CIA before being released.

In the early 90s CNN was also used to test Army psychological operations.

Cidersomerset
15th January 2013, 00:27
Your right Norman the CIA & intelligence were doing this from WW11 onwards and I've put up several threads about that !
This was part of the problem, when the Soviets suddenly collapsed due to a lot financial scullduggary of the Soviet
Financial system, on top of the Soviets own mismanagement. The Neo cons realised they had to plan quick ,before
anyone had any ideas of making the world a peacefull place with less weapons and no need for the mil ind complex.

There were many in Washington, The Pentagon ,Langly and all the departments and corporations who had no
interrest or investment in peace, which is still true today ! How many bases has the US military around the
world ? ..LOL..



These True American Patriots Sure New How To Replace The Soviets....

http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/att/images/stories/project-new-american-century.jpg


Project for a New American Century

Published on Monday, 23 August 2010 18:58. | Written by Sam Wenger.

http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/att/index.php/jahcubites-a-world-rule/economicpolitical-intrigues/333-project-for-a-new-american-century


From article above......

7. A "New Pearl Harbor". PNAC says that what was needed for America to dominate
much of humanity and the world’s resources, it said, was "some catastrophic and
catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor". The attacks of September 11, 2001
provided the "new Pearl Harbor", described as "the opportunity of ages". The
extremists who have since exploited September 11 come from the era of Ronald
Reagan, when far-right groups and "think-tanks" were established to avenge the
American "defeat" in Vietnam. In the 1990s, there was an added agenda: to justify
the denial of a "peace dividend" following the cold war. The Project for the New
American Century was formed, along with the American Enterprise Institute, the
Hudson Institute and others that have since merge the ambitions of the Reagan
administration with those of the current Bush regime. Time and again, September
11 is described as an "opportunity". It provided the necessary catalyst to put the
global war plan into effect. Congress quickly allocated $40 billion to fund the "war
on terrorism" shortly after September 11. In the last April’s New Yorker, the
investigative reporter Nicholas Lemann wrote that Bush’s most senior adviser,
Condoleezze Rice, told him she had called together senior members of the National
Security County and asked them "to think about ‘how do you capitalize on these
opportunities, which she compared with those of "1945 to 1947"; the start of the
cold war. Since September 11, America has established bases at the gateways to
all the major sources of fossil fuels, especially central Asia. The Unocal oil company
is to build a pipeline across Afghanistan. Bush as scrapped the Kyoto Protocol on
greenhouse gas emissions, the war crimes provisions of the International Criminal
Court and the anti-ballistic missile treaty. He has said he will use nuclear weapons
against non-nuclear states "if necessary". Under cover of propaganda about Iraq’s
alleged weapons of mass destruction, the Bush regime is developing new weapons
of mass destruction that undermine international treaties on biological and chemical
warfare.

norman
15th January 2013, 00:37
Your right Norman the CIA & intelligence were doing this from WW11 onwards and I've put up several threads about that !
This was part of the problem, when the Soviets suddenly collapsed due to a lot financial scullduggary of the Soviet
Financial system, on top of the Soviets own mismanagement. The Neo cons realised they had to plan quick ,before
anyone had any ideas of making the world a peacefull place with less weapons and no need for the mil ind complex.

There were many in Washington, The Pentagon ,Langly and all the departments and corporations who had no
interrest or investment in peace, which is still true today ! How many bases has the US military around the
world ? ..LOL..



These True American Patriots Sure New How To Replace The Soviets....

http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/att/images/stories/project-new-american-century.jpg



I have a question about PNAC. ( it doesn't fit into the same picture as gun-grab, martial law and economic collapse etc)

I started a thread about it here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54222-Was-PNAC-Disinfo&p=614470#post614470

Cidersomerset
15th January 2013, 00:52
I have a question about PNAC. ( it doesn't fit into the same picture as gun-grab, martial law and economic collapse etc)

I started a thread about it here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...470#post614470

I don't see a direct contradiction there are several scenarios probably going on, most of the Neo cons
involved with 9/11 will have died in the next few years,so would not benifit from the collapse of an
over stretched US ,if that happens ? They have already enjoyed the power and rich lifestyle of the
elites on Capitol Hill.

If America does collapse into civil unrest like the Soviet Union did for a decade due to the collapse
of the dollar, which is what the FEMA camps are set for thats a different scenario than PNAC was
set up for and is a later byproduct so to speak. I don't think the collapse of the US was envisaged
by them in 1990, thats a result of a later agenda imo ! If it was, it was probably another faction within
the 'bigger picture' ??


Of course you could go deep and bring in 'Looking Glass' and the different
timelines Dan Burisch talks about how the elites changed the time line
in aprox 2007, and avoided civil war then, but thats pure speculation !!

norman
15th January 2013, 00:57
I don't think the collapse of the US was envisaged
by them in 1990, thats a result of a later agenda imo !





That's the 64 billion dollar question, right there.

If Albert Pike had it all worked out on the back of a fag packet in the 1800s, I tend to think this global plan has been set up since long before there was ever a neocon even in nappies.

Cidersomerset
15th January 2013, 01:08
That's the 64 billion dollar question, right there.

If Albert Pike had it all worked out on the back of a fag packet in the 1800s, I tend to think this global plan has been set up since long before there was ever a neocon even in

You could be right !...LOl...If I go into the Ionic world where there is no time and everything that happens has already happened and
we create everything that has ever happened or will happen in the holographic maitrix, things really get wierd ..LOL..

Back to the reality we are experiancing at the momment, One thing Bob Nevritt always says the elites have always used mediums
to contact the other side for information, Old Ronnie was famous for it and its part of what keeps them at the top.Back to wierdness..LOL
If the 'Elites' are some other blood line , Albert Pikes fag packet may be the Key ..LOL..

All we do know for sure our leaders are bloodthirsty , money grabbing, egomaniacs
at the top of the pyrimid ,!!

Cidersomerset
15th January 2013, 01:31
The US may soon be sending drones to Mali...

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Published on 14 Jan 2013


Last week, Islamist militants took control over the city of Kona in the Western African
country of Mali. Soon after, the French militant forces were ordered to intervene but
despite French air strikes the rebels continue to advance. Now, other countries are
considering involvement in the turf war that has been going on for months.
Nii Akuettehm, founder of Democracy and Conflict Research Institute, joins us to
take a deeper look at the situation in Mali.

Tesla_WTC_Solution
15th January 2013, 01:32
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Cidersomerset
15th January 2013, 01:43
More US servicemen commited suicide last year
than died in combat.What is coincidental
Afghanistan was the straw that broke the
Soviets back !



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Published on 13 Jan 2013


The suicide rate in the US army has rocketed, with the number of those taking their own lives now higher than those who perish in battle.

Cidersomerset
15th January 2013, 12:08
John Snow should know better, the first sentance is Al Qeada linked terrorists
more BS , even channel 4 news one of the more intelligent news channel
quotes the 'ficticious Al Qeada link'.They are Mali jahadists simple !!


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Published on 14 Jan 2013


Al Qaeda-linked Islamist rebels in Mali have promised to drag France into an Afghanistan-style war.
They've launched a counteroffensive after four days of French air strikes on their northern strongholds