A quote from Wilcock's latest blog

[SilentFeathers]

Don't worry folk's, mass ascension "may might still" happen-....


NOW THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE DATE TO FOCUS ON

We are still well within an acceptable window where this "quantum jump" could happen -- but now there is no absolute date for us to obsess on.

The closest we have to a timeline is the statement we read earlier -- indicating that it would be "approximately 30 years" after 1981.

However, they did not say "35 years" -- they said "approximately" 30 years.

Therefore, anything much past 33 years from 1981 would probably have caused them to lean towards a figure of 35 years instead of 30.

In some ways I am relieved that we have now passed a hurdle where there is no absolute date for us to argue over.

I do believe some very significant and wonderful events are set to occur between now and whenever this finally happens.

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1099-2012romancereality

When all else fails, "just wing it"

[vortexpoint]

Wow. That's super specific.

I also believe that something significant will happen somewhere between now and somewhere in the future.

[Spiral]

How much do you want to bet that "Daniel" turns out to be DW himself ?

:rolleyes:

[modwiz]

It is amazing how being in love will allow one to accept the lamest of reasonings for events. It is not for me to get between David and those who love him. I have guitars to play.

[RMorgan]

How much do you want to bet that "Daniel" turns out to be DW himself ?

:rolleyes:

I´ve always suspected about that as well...I wouldn´t be surprised at all, anyway.

Just like I´m not surprised that David Wilcock skillfully diluted his poor failure excuse into tons of other divergent information in his latest article. It was a smart a smart move, I must admit, and I guess it took him a lot of time to figure it out.

If he had written an entire article as an excuse to his epic failure, he would be publicly signing a confession, so, instead, he wrote a gigantic article containing all sorts of different information and surgically placed his mediocre excuse right there in the middle of it all.

Finally, he learned the lesson about dated predictions, after all, he was terribly wrong in 2000 and 2012, specially regarding his ideas about ascension, among other things.

Anyway, I often question myself...Is it really that hard for a man to simply admit he was wrong?

[13th Warrior]

Anyway, I often question myself...Is it really that hard for a man to simply admit he was wrong?

Yes, yes it is...

[RMorgan]

Another pearl from his latest article:


THE ROMANCE AND THE REALITY

The "romance" of the Mayan Calendar end-date was that "everything" would happen on that one day. The 2012 crop circle certainly helped give me that impression.

I made a joke in the 2012 Enigma video -- "see you at the I-told-ya-so party in 2013" -- and a lot of people are all upset about that now.

I did, honestly, think that we might see this happen right around that very day -- like "the striking of the clock upon the hour."

However, as we got closer and closer to that all-important date last year, I grew increasingly concerned about it.

I have had hundreds of dreams now predicting a massive, worldwide exposure of Financial Tyranny and the negative things that have happened on Earth.

I have also said, all along, that until this happens, we will never get Disclosure -- and find out that not only do UFOs exist, but that there are humans all over the galaxy.

The reality, as we moved through 2012, was that as much as I had hoped to see these things last year, they didn't happen.

Nonetheless, I had many dreams indicating that they would -- and these dreams are still happening.

Seriously, if anyone here could stand watching his "2012 Enigma" video entirely, you saw that he wasn´t joking at all...If he says he was joking about the "I-told-ya-so party in 2013", then he was joking all along.

It turned out that the "I-told-ya-so party in 2013" happened anyway, but not like he expected.

Then, he had many dreams indicating that something would happen, but, of course, nothing happened, but hey, he´s still dreaming about it. Doesn´t it means that, most likely, his dreams are just regular dreams, not prophetic dreams? He formally confirmed that his dreams are not prophetic, in the above partially quoted article.

When was the last time any of his dreams turned out to be accurate prophecies, after all?

David Wilcock, if you´re reading this, and I´m sure you´re the kind of guy who googles your own name a lot, please, you have to work on that big ego of yours. You´re a terrific researcher and you could really achieve something if you don´t allow your huge ego to stay on the way. By now, I´m sure you realized you aren´t more special than anyone else; You can´t predict the future, you can´t talk to ETs, you´re not the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce and you have no paranormal gifts. If you´re really a good guy and not a con man, you have to start working to be a better man, a humble man...If you´re a con man, you still have time to change, otherwise things will turn out really bad for you eventually, after all, we reap what we sow.

Cheers,

Raf.

PS: I have a prediction for you guys. From now on, he will stop using the term "ascension", which is obviously pretty outworn nowadays. He´ll only use "quantum leap" from now own...He always reinvent himself after a big failure, which is a damn effective marketing strategy used by every major corporation after a big scandal or other image damaging failure.

[peace]

Another pearl from his latest article:


THE ROMANCE AND THE REALITY

The "romance" of the Mayan Calendar end-date was that "everything" would happen on that one day. The 2012 crop circle certainly helped give me that impression.

I made a joke in the 2012 Enigma video -- "see you at the I-told-ya-so party in 2013" -- and a lot of people are all upset about that now.

I did, honestly, think that we might see this happen right around that very day -- like "the striking of the clock upon the hour."

However, as we got closer and closer to that all-important date last year, I grew increasingly concerned about it.

I have had hundreds of dreams now predicting a massive, worldwide exposure of Financial Tyranny and the negative things that have happened on Earth.

I have also said, all along, that until this happens, we will never get Disclosure -- and find out that not only do UFOs exist, but that there are humans all over the galaxy.

The reality, as we moved through 2012, was that as much as I had hoped to see these things last year, they didn't happen.

Nonetheless, I had many dreams indicating that they would -- and these dreams are still happening.

Seriously, if anyone here could stand watching his "2012 Enigma" video entirely, you saw that he wasn´t joking at all...If he says he was joking about the "I-told-ya-so party in 2013", then he was joking all along.

It turned out that the "I-told-ya-so party in 2013" happened anyway, but not like he expected.

Then, he had many dreams indicating that something would happen, but, of course, nothing happened, but hey, he´s still dreaming about it. Doesn´t it means that, most likely, his dreams are just regular dreams, not prophetic dreams?

When was the last time any of his dreams turned out to be accurate prophecies, after all?

David Wilcock, if you´re reading this, and I´m sure you´re the kind of guy who googles your own name a lot, please, you have to work on that big ego of yours. You´re a terrific researcher and you could really achieve something if you don´t allow your huge ego to stay on the way. By now, I´m sure you realized you aren´t more special than anyone else; You can´t predict the future, you can´t talk to ETs, you´re not the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce and you have no paranormal gifts. If you´re really a good guy and not a con man, you have to start working to be a better man, a humble man...If you´re a con man, you still have time to change, otherwise things will turn out really bad for you eventually, after all, we reap what we sow.

Cheers,

Raf.

I don't think he can do it my friend. Or admit he's been wrong, or worse, admit most of this information he produces is a bunch of hyperbole, webbed together through sloppy connections and ... Dreams. We are going off of dreams? We are so much smarter than he thinks we are.

He's exposing himself with each posting on his website. Each thing that comes and goes with nothing to show.

He's probably seeing plenty of people not buying his info, hook, line, sinker, anymore, though he has some good hooks in a lot of folks.

I hope the "awakening"everyone is talking about is realizing a lot of these guys are only causing damage.

He is causing damage.

David. You are causing damage. Stop.

[DeDukshyn]

Lolololl!!!!

Yet ANOTHER Wilcock bashing thread ... And Peace here again after saying how many times he will steer clear of "any more Wilcock threads" Then as soon as there's anothere he's right here like an addict on a fix.

This reminds me of atheists getting together and forming actual weekly meetings to bash god and religions ... lol

Thanks guys! You made me smile! ;)

[peace]

I know. I know.

But this is bad.

You understand the point of my posting about him is within forum guidelines/rules, while what you've done could be considered a personal jab?

I mean, I don't care enough to report it. But you know, it's pretty funny. Generalizing and all.

He's causing damage. End of story.

When someone is trying to show others they are being deceived, it's usually considered helpful. They aren't singled out and talked down to. Or at least they shouldn't be.

Sorry I don't play the Internet to everyone's liking.

[DeDukshyn]

The whole thing is hilarious! ;)

[peace]

The whole thing is hilarious! ;)

Agreed. Seriously. I mean that.

[SilentFeathers]

I thought twice about starting this thread, but couldn't resist. the few sentences by DW in the OP are quite revealing.....

Perhaps I should of just posted it here to reflect my OP in this thread:

Mass Dooms Day dates, Mass Ascension Date, or Mass Deceptions-Being Realistic
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54231-Mass-Dooms-Day-dates-Mass-Ascension-Date-or-Mass-Deceptions-Being-Realistic

ADDED: besides, I thought a few here may be due for a good laugh!

[RMorgan]

I see things like this:

A company sells cars that aren´t working really well. They turn out to be really bad cars.

The customers, unsatisfied with their cars, finally say they wont take it anymore, and then get together to protest, for two basic reasons:

1-They want the company to publicly apologize and correct its mistakes.
2-To avoid other customers to fall in the same trap.

Things aren´t different regarding David Wilcock. He´s in the alternative business and sells products which perhaps have a much bigger damaging potential than cars. He´s in the hope business and, hope, if not fulfilled, leads to frustration and deception.

Can you imagine how much money he earned selling his "The Source Field Investigations: The Hidden Science and Lost Civilizations Behind the 2012 Prophecies" best-selling book and as a professional 2012 lecturer, during the last years?

He explored the 2012 theme extensively, and turned himself probably in the biggest 2012 "guru".

He earned a lot of money selling a defective product, not to say lies, because I can´t prove he was deliberately lying. Maybe he´s just an egomaniac or delusional man.

People have all the right, as consumers, to protest about him and his products. He isn´t giving his products for free, after all. He isn´t a philanthropist, he´s business man.

People have the duty to enlighten other potential consumers, thus sparing them from unnecessary frustration and deception.

He´s the one who wanted to live in the limelight in the first place. He turned himself into a public person and, of course, being a public person means that your reputation can be ruined very quickly if you don´t choose each and every step of yours very wisely and if you´re not guided by rigorous ethics.

[SilentFeathers]

PS: I have a prediction for you guys. From now on, he will stop using the term "ascension", which is obviously pretty outworn nowadays. He´ll only use "quantum leap" from now own...He always reinvent himself after a big failure, which is a damn effective marketing strategy used by every major corporation after a big scandal or other image damaging failure.

I agree Raf, I noticed that "new term" of his and thought it to be quite catchy and "clever".

[SilentFeathers]

The "Cult of Celebrity" members are fading away in to the background quickly....not just in the "alternative" community, but everywhere.

Real life and everyday issues are starting to out-weight the crafty language and clever solution like fairy tales that never come true for many.

many are starting to get more "realistic" :)

[9eagle9]

People are very protective about that sort of thing Peace.

The same way you and i find Wilcocks is morbidly fascinating and compelling n how he can STILL keep getting away with it, keep pulling the wool over people's eyes. You just can't quite wrap your mind around the fact that people can STILL be in such denial, STILL slavishly defend him. You just have to keep coming back and re-assuring yourself because after you get away from it for a few minutes you think " Naw, people aren't that dumb"

So in the same way you and I compelled to projectile vomit, they are compelled to rush in and defend him.


Neither is very flattering but I'll stick with the yacking.


I guess that's why it's called the powers that be.


Lolololl!!!!

Yet ANOTHER Wilcock bashing thread ... And Peace here again after saying how many times he will steer clear of "any more Wilcock threads" Then as soon as there's anothere he's right here like an addict on a fix.

This reminds me of atheists getting together and forming actual weekly meetings to bash god and religions ... lol

Thanks guys! You made me smile! ;)

[gooty64]

Not to stir the pot but, from Wilcocks OP article:


NOW FOR A BIT OF WOO-WOO STUFF...

Interestingly, a very highly-placed insider I know, who has worked extensively in classified programs, said there is a Jupiter-sized planet orbiting our companion star.

PS, where is the diving off the high-board smilie?

PSPS, the next thing you will hear from Wilcock is some thing like:
"I am the most popular topic on avalon forum---just look at the evidence---threads about me garner the most prolific amounts of genuine replies from members there!

[SilentFeathers]

Not to stir the pot but, from Wilcocks OP article:


NOW FOR A BIT OF WOO-WOO STUFF...

Interestingly, a very highly-placed insider I know, who has worked extensively in classified programs, said there is a Jupiter-sized planet orbiting our companion star.



I was gonna get my telescope out tonight and start looking for it but it's really cloudy and raining here.

also; I thought I seen a Tibetan rainbow light being monk earlier today too, but I think it was just a tourist, probably from California....

[Fred Steeves]

You know what? Here's my philosophy on this type of thing. If one continues to spout bs, eventually they will be left speaking to an empty room. There's no real cause for the audience to get all alarmed and start hurling insults and such, just walk away...

[SilentFeathers]

You know what? Here's my philosophy on this type of thing. If one continues to spout bs, eventually they will be left speaking to an empty room. There's no real cause for the audience to get all alarmed and start hurling insults and such, just walk away...

My philosophy (most of the time) is to try to wake others up to these spewers if possible, that sometimes just ignoring them and just walking away and doing nothing is somewhat of being an enabler or part of the problem to some extent/degree.

I'm sure some of DW's followers check this forum out once in a while and possibly see threads like this and perhaps think and see things a bit differently and from another angle after reading some of these posts....

But I hear ya Fred....we all deal with things a bit differently.

[9eagle9]

I'm collecting bets DW stages his own death as his next prank and returns three days later....

anyone up for a friendly wager?

[gooty64]

Here's what happens Fred.
In 2011, I took a fair amount of David Wilcock's info and "urgent" news to 2 local consciousness groups in the Twin Cities.
Posted some of it on facebook too.
His bs causes wreckage.

[DeDukshyn]

People are very protective about that sort of thing Peace.

The same way you and i find Wilcocks is morbidly fascinating and compelling n how he can STILL keep getting away with it, keep pulling the wool over people's eyes. You just can't quite wrap your mind around the fact that people can STILL be in such denial, STILL slavishly defend him. You just have to keep coming back and re-assuring yourself because after you get away from it for a few minutes you think " Naw, people aren't that dumb"

So in the same way you and I compelled to projectile vomit, they are compelled to rush in and defend him.


Neither is very flattering but I'll stick with the yacking.


I guess that's why it's called the powers that be.


Lolololl!!!!

Yet ANOTHER Wilcock bashing thread ... And Peace here again after saying how many times he will steer clear of "any more Wilcock threads" Then as soon as there's anothere he's right here like an addict on a fix.

This reminds me of atheists getting together and forming actual weekly meetings to bash god and religions ... lol

Thanks guys! You made me smile! ;)

Key words "Morbidly fascinating" -- I don't share that same fascination.

And I if it were mother Theresa instead of Wilcock I'd done the same. I've done my share of condemning Wilcock, and I don't endorse him, but attack threads of any kind I find amusing ...

If David let's down all his followers, then that is what it is, those people learned their lesson and life moves on ... attack threads serve egos only, not this process of learning.

My 2 cents ;)

Continue the bashing! .. like I said in response to Peace .. I find the "whole thing" hilarious.

[9eagle9]

I said we were morbidly fascinated not you. You're protective.

We're fascinated.

IN a morbid way. By David and those who protect him. It just creates an environment so he can keep doing what he does best. Or the only thing he does.

Which doesn't have to be pointed out for the zillionth time. It will happen for the eleventy zillionth time because people excuse him.

[SilentFeathers]

I don't consider myself "bashing" Wilcock anywhere in this thread.

If I wanted to bash him my posts would look completely different and I am about 100% sure the mod's would permanantly ban me from this forum!

[Kano]

How much do you want to bet that "Daniel" turns out to be DW himself ?

:rolleyes:

No, Daniel is a real person.

[9eagle9]

Laughter is the best medicine.

If he wasn't so funny we wouldn't laugh.



I don't consider myself "bashing" Wilcock anywhere in this thread.

If I wanted to bash him my posts would look completely different and I am about 100% sure the mod's would permanantly ban me from this forum!

[white wizard]

I think I and a lot of people were hoping for something special to happen this

year. The only special thing that happened was a wake up call. No more buying

into facts that do not have any evidence to support them. Change will happen,

eventually, history will tell you that, but don't buy into stuff without sufficient

evidence to back it up. My new phrase "I'll believe when I see data to prove it".

[gripreaper]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c59.0.403.403/p403x403/382860_448996015155524_341187505_n.jpg

[9eagle9]

Another attack-jealous at David's rainbow beingness. Can't you feel the hate, Luke?

[Anchor]

The show will go on for as long as it needs to.

[Snookie]

"However, as we got closer and closer to that all-important date last year, I grew increasingly concerned about it."

I'll bet he became increasingly worried. Oh crap, this just may not happen...then I'll look like a dumb@@s!

[Wind]

My opinion is that David was very humble in his post. He says that he doesn't really know, after all he is just a human as we all are. He assumed wrong like many of us did. Is it wrong? Isn't life all about learning from one's mistakes and moving on?

I'm not sure that why many find his persona so irritating, because I don't. I just like how he connects the dots. I know that he has a brilliant mind and he is not a charlatan, but it cannot be denied that he is doing business and it is booming.

[norman]

There seems to be 2 threads about this and I posted this in the other thread so I'll copy it into here too:





DW
"Do we conclude that ETs do not exist, that "none of this 2012 stuff means anything," and that life on Earth is just going to stay "ordinary" -- for the indefinite future?"

I'd be a little more receptive if David didn't do this strawman thing so perfectly every time he opens his mouth.


Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, he's inspirational and a cute talker, to-boot.

As for hanging my life on his hook, no bloody way Hosea.

He's a typical chancer who knows he's good at what he's doing. He even has what we commonly call a passion for his subject.

So what's the problem then?

I DON'T trust straw man thinking. David uses a lot of it in his work. He's popped a bit right here into this latest post on his blog too.

I'm sure he's good enough at what he's doing to be able to keep straw man twisters right out of what he could make a great case for, alone.

I wish he really would.

Then I could relax and not be so defensive about him and his proclamations.

As I said, I like him, really.

[Arpheus]

I used to like some of his stuff,but when he went all crazy with the whole bankers mass arrest thing i knew that was the straw for me heh,man some people just think they can make up the most crazy stuff without anything real to back it up and they still got a herd following them!!!!!I just dont get it,stuff like this really makes me lose all hope in mankind in a bad way,i am just glad i see the posts of smart and intelligent folks here who agree with me on this subject,my take is he is gonna have a real hard time selling any books he writes from now on lol!!!I am glad i never bought any books he wrote hehe.

[9eagle9]

Thank you for not contributing to the Matrix!



I used to like some of his stuff,but when he went all crazy with the whole bankers mass arrest thing i knew that was the straw for me heh,man some people just think they can make up the most crazy stuff without anything real to back it up and they still got a herd following them!!!!!I just dont get it,stuff like this really makes me lose all hope in mankind in a bad way,i am just glad i see the posts of smart and intelligent folks here who agree with me on this subject,my take is he is gonna have a real hard time selling any books he writes from now on lol!!!I am glad i never bought any books he wrote hehe.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Yes dammit! As long as a Matrix needs to be built it WILL BE built by golly!

The Saga of unpaid Matrix Labor.


The show will go on for as long as it needs to.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Most Matrix builders are humans.

If it were cats doing it we'd really be out of luck.


My opinion is that David was very humble in his post. He says that he doesn't really know, after all he is just a human as we all are. He assumed wrong like many of us did. Is it wrong? Isn't life all about learning from one's mistakes and moving on?

I'm not sure that why many find his persona so irritating, because I don't. I just like how he connects the dots. I know that he has a brilliant mind and he is not a charlatan, but it cannot be denied that he is doing business and it is booming.

[Wind]

If it were cats doing it we'd really be out of luck.

Why not dogs?

[apokalypse]

every time i read Wilcock thread always have a good laugh...

[Shade]

How much do you want to bet that "Daniel" turns out to be DW himself ?

:rolleyes:

No, Daniel is a real person.

How do you know this, Kano? Upon what evidence and argument do you conclude this? I would like to know.
I would not be surprised if Daniel was Willycock. But if he isn't then his stuff still isn't as groundbreaking as Willycock makes out.
The Daniel material was interesting but doesn't stand up to scrutiny. If Daniel was indeed a real scientist he would have been able to argue his theories better than he did, and also they would have made more sense. I found that they were invalidated by simple observations.

[SilentFeathers]

This statement is interesting....



I'm not sure that why many find his persona so irritating, because I don't. I just like how he connects the dots. I know that he has a brilliant mind and he is not a charlatan, but it cannot be denied that he is doing business and it is booming.


http://www.printactivities.com/ConnectTheDots/ufo-dot2dot-3.gif

[9eagle9]

If you found that interesting I found this hair raising.

THE 'HARVEST' -- ANOTHER NAME FOR A WORLD TRANSFORMATION

The entire Law of One series was built around the idea that something very wonderful would soon be happening to us -- something they called "Harvest".

A timeline was given for when this would happen -- approximately 30 years after 1981. We will explore exactly what they said in much more detail later on.

When you read the cumulative body of data in the Law of One series, it seems very clear that "Harvest" refers to a worldwide event.

After this event happens, many of us will now be able to achieve the Rainbow Body state -- or what is often called "Ascension."



Harvest is ascension.


What next?

Pedophilia is meditation.

Rape is enlightening.

Avoidance is holy




Yay David.



This statement is interesting....



I'm not sure that why many find his persona so irritating, because I don't. I just like how he connects the dots. I know that he has a brilliant mind and he is not a charlatan, but it cannot be denied that he is doing business and it is booming.


http://www.printactivities.com/ConnectTheDots/ufo-dot2dot-3.gif

[Prodigal Son]

I don't recall David ever saying that there would absolutely be a definitive event that would earmark December 21, 2012 as a historic date for all eternity. But one thing that I can't get out of my mind is, what the heck was that planet-size sphere that was "hooked up" to the sun for many hours with some kind of tether attached to it? How do we know that a major solar event was not prevented on December 21st in order to facilitate a more gradual upgrade that wouldn't wipe out all life on the surface of the earth as it has most definitely done in the past?

I have felt for quite awhile now that the main theme of December 21 is that it would be a turning point in human consciousness... to head in the right direction. If there was going to be a specific "event", I am ecstatic that it didn't happen because I guarantee that it would not have been a good experience for us Earth-dwellers.

Are the PTB still in charge? Yes. Might they pull out all the stops now so that it seems things are getting much worse? Perhaps. I don't think this whole drama will play out without us finding out exactly why all those FEMA Internment camps are sitting there fully staffed and waiting to be populated.

I think what we're finding out about David is that he's no Edgar Cayce. Maybe his astrological profile is nearly identical but that doesn't make him a psychic. But he certainly is gifted, and a brilliant researcher. His ego? Yes, it's a problem, but it seems to me that those most offended by a big ego are those with a big ego themselves. Personally I glean the valuable stuff from his work... and there is plenty of it, and I ignore the rest. I would think that most of us would have learned to do that by now.

David preaches unconditional love as the catalyst for positive change in this Universe. I can't imagine how that might be some part of a disinfo campaign.

Bashing this guy helps no one but the Controllers. The vehemence directed at this guy would be much more productive being aimed at Tony Blair and GHWB, IMHO.....

[SilentFeathers]

He uses a few new words in this recent blog of his.....Harvest, Golden Race, Quantum Leap, Rainbow Body, etc., jumping back to the law of one, crop circles etc etc etc...

I'd say he is trying to reinvent himself to some degree, like using an old recipe but adding a bit more chili powder and some more peppers in to the pot of chili to enhance the flavor a bit, to give it more of a "kick".

Throw a religious spin on it and you got a bowl of chili to live and die for!

"My God!, that Chili is Heaven!!!!"

[SilentFeathers]

Bashing this guy helps no one but the Controllers. The vehemence directed at this guy would be much more productive being aimed at Tony Blair and GHWB, IMHO.....

Wilcock is not a controller?

Questioning Blair or GHWB's behavior and agenda is alright but questioning Wilcock's behavior and agenda is off limits?

This makes absolutely no sense to me....

[9eagle9]

He is a programmer. Now do we know why 'he bothers' us.

Maybe one day he can ascend to 'controller' .

[SilentFeathers]

Also a controller, not like Bush or Blair's policies though....under his own policy.

Strongly disagree with DW's work/policy in the comment section under his blog and see if the mod's even publish the comment.

We are seeing all types of "policy correctness" on many levels all through societies right now...

Like Dubya said years ago, "Your either with us or your with the enemy". This type of mind set is everywhere and embedded in just about everything.

[9eagle9]

That's how the program creates a safe environment for the viruses to run. It needs our cooperation. WE protect it. Without our cooperation it wouldn't have much of a chance.

[Prodigal Son]

Like I said, it's just my opinion. Wilcock is merely one of thousands who are doing this type of work, and no one has it all right, but God bless them for trying. Cherry pick from all of their work and build your own truth.

If people are "controlled" by Wilcock, it's because they are still weak, but they are far better off than being controlled by the MSM.

[SilentFeathers]

That's how the program creates a safe environment for the viruses to run. It needs our cooperation. WE protect it. Without our cooperation it wouldn't have much of a chance.

One of the first signs of a failing/failed policy or "program" is people speaking up about it or against it.

[Belle]

If people are "controlled" by Wilcock, it's because they are still weak, but they are far better off than being controlled by the MSM.

Being controlled is being controlled...it doesn't matter who is doing the controlling...what matters is that you are allowing yourself to be controlled.

Now who in their right mind would allow such a thing...

[9eagle9]

There is a difference between this matrix and that matrix?

One program and prison builder is 'better' than the other? Can you tell me how?

Pick through someone elses work and adopt it as your own truth? Would it be your own truth if you adopted it from somewhere else?

I agree thousands are doing unpaid Matrix Labor. When they clock out for the day they have a beer and complain about the Matrix they just contributed to.



Like I said, it's just my opinion. Wilcock is merely one of thousands who are doing this type of work, and no one has it all right, but God bless them for trying. Cherry pick from all of their work and build your own truth.

If people are "controlled" by Wilcock, it's because they are still weak, but they are far better off than being controlled by the MSM.

[Kano]

How much do you want to bet that "Daniel" turns out to be DW himself ?

:rolleyes:

No, Daniel is a real person.

How do you know this, Kano? Upon what evidence and argument do you conclude this? I would like to know.
I would not be surprised if Daniel was Willycock. But if he isn't then his stuff still isn't as groundbreaking as Willycock makes out.
The Daniel material was interesting but doesn't stand up to scrutiny. If Daniel was indeed a real scientist he would have been able to argue his theories better than he did, and also they would have made more sense. I found that they were invalidated by simple observations.

I know this because I talk to him daily. I'm sorry you don't feel his information is that groundbreaking. I respectfully disagree. What parts of his theories do you feel are invalidated by simple observations?

[9eagle9]

I'm not talking about his theories, which aren't his anyway but gleaned from previously work published by others. Thats parasitical behavior. He , ahem, harvested it from others.

I'm talking about his programming. Ascension is now harvesting. That is a simple observation that someone is attempting to initiate a program that harvesting is a splendid thing. You don't feel that is the least bit disturbing?

[RMorgan]

Bashing this guy helps no one but the Controllers. The vehemence directed at this guy would be much more productive being aimed at Tony Blair and GHWB, IMHO.....

Wilcock is not a controller?

Questioning Blair or GHWB's behavior and agenda is alright but questioning Wilcock's behavior and agenda is off limits?

This makes absolutely no sense to me....

Yes mate, it doesn´t make any sense, besides, people seem to not know the difference between "bashing" and criticizing, which are definitively different things.

Every public person can, and should, be criticized. It´s part of the package and, when a person agrees in becoming a public person, he must accept the consequences.

The freedom to criticize, or freedom of speech, is absolutely essential to maintain democracy and a free society.

Anyway, let me get this thing straight, once and for all.

David Wilcock made his career around the 2012 theme. Before he transformed himself in a 2012 "guru", he was a nobody in the alternative community; His reputation was ruined because of his previous "ascension2000" website, where he claimed to be in contact with ETs who told him mass ascension would happen in the year 2000.

Honestly, I don´t know how people could forget his "ascesion2000" fiasco, but they did somehow. David has smart strategies. He changed his image completely after this event, removed his goatee, dyed his hair blond, changed his website to "divine cosmos",stopped talking about being in direct contact with ETs and changed his "ascension" date from 2000 to 2012.

The above actions, alone, are more than enough to make people suspicious about his integrity. These are facts, not rumors.

Did he apologize for his 2000 fiasco? No, of course not. He just created a new public character for himself.

He was the one who chose 2012 as the foundation, the biggest premise of his entire work and, later, it turned out that the foundation of his work was completely wrong, again.

Now, he expects to get away with it, just like he did in 2000? No way!

If he was integrate enough, a simple sentence like "I´m sorry. I was wrong. I hope you forgive me and I´ll try to learn from my mistakes from now on" would be worth much more than all his 2012 materials combined.

Instead, again, he´s going to reinvent himself. He´ll leave his latest 2012 centered book behind and will draw the public´s attention to his new book, which will be launched this year.

Again, he´ll do everything within his reach to make people forget about his recent failure, in order to keep his "spiritual guru" position at all costs.

The man is a professional, folks.

[9eagle9]

The con man is only as good as those who support the con, perpetrate the con, and try to excuse the con. Its the relationship between the gambling addict and the crooked bookie.

He'd not apologize if his fan base continuously excuse him. Why should he? He can continuously deliver empty promises, and they'll keep paying for them. I'm sure he can rationalize and excuse all his behaviors because he's encouraged to do so. No more than the junkie will turn on his dealer.

[gooty64]

Hey, 9, Raf and SF, let's get front front row seats for one of his seminars for the Q&A part at least. We can skip the foreplay, er i mean first 2 days of the seminar. Now all we need is someone to pay for our little trip for us:p.
My question is: Are all the underground bases really squashed, David?

2nd question: Did the Irish "Anonymous" guy visit you like he said he would after the big interview with Kerry Cassidy, the astrologer lady and special surprise guest "Anonymous"? and if so, how did it go with him?

[SilentFeathers]

Hey, 9, Raf and SF, let's get front front row seats for one of his seminars for the Q&A part at least. We can skip the foreplay, er i mean first 2 days of the seminar. Now all we need is someone to pay for our little trip for us:p.
My question is: Are all the underground bases really squashed, David?

I'd go see him lecture if someone else would pay my way and take me there, I wouldn't use my own money to go see him.

I'd go see him more so with a fly on the wall mentality and with the curiosity of a voyeur and probably find the lecture to be quite amazing and a great experience.


PS: I'd be listening to David while watching the audience more than anything if I attended one of his lectures! :)

[humanalien]

I'm really happy that so many people are finally
seeing DW for the man as he really is. He nothing
but a flim flam man, making his money from people
that fall for his lies.

I especially would like that thank RMorgan for his
laying out how DW has been fooling others for years
and when that fails, he just reinvents himself.

I've been trying to do this for a while now but it only
got me into trouble with the mods. Probably do to
the fact that i lack the ability to express myself well
enough and lay out all the facts.

So once again, Thank you RMorgan. You did a great
job laying out DW's failings.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a guess
that only around one percent of all known whistle blowers
are really telling you the truth as they know it.

To me, the ones that are capitalizing off of their information
are the ones that can not be trusted.

[SilentFeathers]

In my OP I wrote, "If all else fails, just wing it".

I think that describes his strategy for the most part right now. He may also be trying to reinvent himself a tad bit too to some degree, but mostly he's "just wingin it".

IMO, He's loved and admired by enough people that he isn't too concerned about critics or "yesterday".

[RMorgan]

IMO, He's loved and admired by enough people that he isn't too concerned about critics or "yesterday".

Don´t underestimate him, mate. He knows exactly what he´s doing, and that´s one of the reasons it took him so long to publish another article after December 21th passed an nothing happened. He took his time to carefully craft it.

Get a few Philip Kotler´s books about "strategic marketing" and you´ll know exactly what I mean. David is definitively a pro.

[SilentFeathers]

IMO, He's loved and admired by enough people that he isn't too concerned about critics or "yesterday".

Don´t underestimate him, mate. He knows exactly what he´s doing, and that´s one of the reasons it took him so long to publish another article after December 21th passed an nothing happened. He took his time to carefully craft it.

Get a few Philip Kotler´s books about "strategic marketing" and you´ll know exactly what I mean. David is definitively a pro.

I don't underestimate him, I know he's smart. I'm also a business owner and married to a professional business woman who has 30 years experience in marketing and advertising (she's also a business owner).

I fully expect DW to reinvent another "end date" regardless of what he says in this most recent blog of his. That's what has work best for him for many years now. He's just winging it for now until he's ready to lay it out in the open.

[RMorgan]

IMO, He's loved and admired by enough people that he isn't too concerned about critics or "yesterday".

Don´t underestimate him, mate. He knows exactly what he´s doing, and that´s one of the reasons it took him so long to publish another article after December 21th passed an nothing happened. He took his time to carefully craft it.

Get a few Philip Kotler´s books about "strategic marketing" and you´ll know exactly what I mean. David is definitively a pro.

I don't underestimate him, I know he's smart. I'm also a business owner and married to a professional business woman who has 30 years experience in marketing and advertising (she's also a business owner).

I fully expect DW to reinvent another "end date" regardless of what he says in this most recent blog of his. That's what has work best for him for many years now. He's just winging it for now until he's ready to lay it out in the open.

I believe he´s in a dilemma right now.

He could push for another date, which is extremely risky, due to his latest fails, but extremely effective, because it gives people hope. It attracts a large audience of hopium junkies, but it´s a very risky strategy.

(Lotteries have been doing it for centuries, I mean, lotteries are the biggest scam on Earth. They sell hope to people, always with a fixed date, people get addicted to this false sense of hope and, despite loosing for years, they keep buying tickets to keep their hope fueled. Money is secondary in this scheme; Hope is the real product.)

Or he could forget about pushing fixed dates, which is certainly less effective. He would attract a smaller audience, but it´s definitively a safer long-term approach.

The first approach is like an all-in poker bet; He could win a lot or loose everything. His credibility is extremely weakened right now.

The second approach is safer; He would loose a big part of his hopium junkies audience, but he would guarantee a moderate financial security for years to come.

I think he´s going with the safer approach this time, at least for some time. Maybe, after the dust settles, he will come up with another fixed date in the future.

[Shade]

... sorry Raf you know I'm always the contrarian (always seeking balance and to bring it, I am). But I think there is actually less purposeful deception going on with David than you imply. There is an interesting phenomenonnn that goes on, and is especially noticeable in channelling. Things tend to go 'off'. It is very rare to get a timeless piece or a relatively timeless channeller. I can name very few who even come close to the mark. What I understand to cause a thing to have immortality is when it ... the person gets it [and themselves] aligned to the timeless structures, or at least the oldest and most everlasting patterns in the omniverse. most early channelling from a channell [and any statements about the nature of 'what existence is up to'] will be prone to going off. The comforting illusions of youth are thick upon the ground in young channellers-dreamers. As always, a body can have much or little innate maturity [and alignment to the core] and then it matures at the rate the suffering and learning in its life allows for. As it goes on, increasing measures of the omniverse are added to the equations and greater accuracy in how the omniverse is translated ensues.

Now I'm not saying his early stuff or even his later stuff is any good, but what I am saying is that the inaccuracies are more related to bad channeling and his own immature being than to a direct motion to rip people off. His stuff goes out of date and style, because he resides and has resided in a place of non immortal resonance. Ascended? gtfo. He couldn't ascend a sandwich out of a paper bag. I'd rather listen to the paper bag give a talk.

[Prodigal Son]

I was unaware of the Y2K fiasco. Thanks for the heads up. All I can say is that I hope David genuinely believes his own delusions and isn't doing this deliberately for financial gain or fame. He ought to know better than anybody about the futility of storing up treasures in 3d where moth and rust consume. If he really is a charlatan, it's something that I'm having difficulty wrapping my head around, as he should know better than anyone that there's nowhere to hide in 4D or 5D. And yes, an apology to his "fans" would really be in order right now and would do him a lot of good.

Personally I have never given the guy a cent, haven't bought his books or been to his seminars. I would rather spend my money on Kabbalah classes. He has done no damage to my life other than having the hope that mass arrests were imminent.... which I still haven't discounted. The evidence certainly seemed to and still seems to point that way.. but we live in a complex matrix where the controllers have the upper hand of knowing how it works and having the control systems in place. But I am willing to admit that you all have a good argument that he's doing damage and the fact that you are criticizing him (not bashing, I apologize for that) is what makes Avalon the great place that it is.

[9eagle9]

An apology from his fans who keep this web in place would be nice too. Stuff like this ultimately effects all of us.

He is an incredibly immature being, and those really aren't the sort of people that should be making 'spiritual' inroads for others.

[SilentFeathers]

IMO, He's loved and admired by enough people that he isn't too concerned about critics or "yesterday".

Don´t underestimate him, mate. He knows exactly what he´s doing, and that´s one of the reasons it took him so long to publish another article after December 21th passed an nothing happened. He took his time to carefully craft it.

Get a few Philip Kotler´s books about "strategic marketing" and you´ll know exactly what I mean. David is definitively a pro.

I don't underestimate him, I know he's smart. I'm also a business owner and married to a professional business woman who has 30 years experience in marketing and advertising (she's also a business owner).

I fully expect DW to reinvent another "end date" regardless of what he says in this most recent blog of his. That's what has work best for him for many years now. He's just winging it for now until he's ready to lay it out in the open.

I believe he´s in a dilemma right now.

He could push for another date, which is extremely risky, due to his latest fails, but extremely effective, because it gives people hope. It attracts a large audience of hopium junkies, but it´s a very risky strategy.

(Lotteries have been doing it for centuries, I mean, lotteries are the biggest scam on Earth. They sell hope to people, always with a fixed date, people get addicted to this false sense of hope and, despite loosing for years, they keep buying tickets to keep their hope fueled. Money is secondary in this scheme; Hope is the real product.)

Or he could forget about pushing fixed dates, which is certainly less effective. He would attract a smaller audience, but it´s definitively a safer long-term approach.

The first approach is like an all-in poker bet; He could win a lot or loose everything. His credibility is extremely weakened right now.

The second approach is safer; He would loose a big part of his hopium junkies audience, but he would guarantee a moderate financial security for years to come.

I think he´s going with the safer approach this time, at least for some time. Maybe, after the dust settles, he will come up with another fixed date in the future.

This latest blog of his is a journey in so many directions I honestly don't see how anyone can read it without getting a bit dizzy. But, in the midst of all this amazing stuff he writes, I see hints in many places throughout the blog given of a possible new discovery he is "on to" and about to "find". I ironically "predict" it will be a new end date, and probably be made public sooner than later.

He's pretty crafty and a new end date will be the shot in the arm many desire.

We'll see :)

[Reaver]

Well Wilcock is in it for the business as many other 2012 gurus. Barbara Hand Clow said alien rapture would come in 2011 and nothing happened, but she's still in business.

As RMorgan pointed out, Wilcock is selling a "hope" drug to a bunch of people who have problems coping with the harsh reality. He's also nice and polite which gains him the support of some people who override Reason with fluffy emotions which is a disturbing trend within the alternative media: a nice mask/persona is more desirable than raw intelligence.

The problem here is that if you lack knowledge on psychology then you won't be able to tell that Wilcock is looking forward to make money. If lies make him money then he'll sell them, if truth make him money, then he'll sell them. Of course some people can't or are unwilling to see this because the guy has an impeccable persona and he will be forgiven because he's nice and human and what not.

A public apology won't come out from his mouth unless he can see profit in doing so. Anyone can apologize and get away with it, it's easy to do because it's an acceptable social ritual and we are supposed to feel guilty if we don't accept an apology. So if this man was to apologize tomorrow then some people would start to demand a stop to all the negative judgements towards Wilcock.

This is why Psychology is not promoted at all within the alternative media because if it was promoted then most of the prominent personalities would be out of business eventually. Thankfully we have an audience who prefers Mythos over Logos so it's pretty easy to scam the **** out of them, then we can disappear or apologize and keep doing business. Ho, ho, ho

[RMorgan]

... sorry Raf you know I'm always the contrarian (always seeking balance and to bring it, I am). But I think there is actually less purposeful deception going on with David than you imply. There is an interesting phenomenonnn that goes on, and is especially noticeable in channelling. Things tend to go 'off'. It is very rare to get a timeless piece or a relatively timeless channeller. I can name very few who even come close to the mark. What I understand to cause a thing to have immortality is when it ... the person gets it [and themselves] aligned to the timeless structures, or at least the oldest and most everlasting patterns in the omniverse. most early channelling from a channell [and any statements about the nature of 'what existence is up to'] will be prone to going off. The comforting illusions of youth are thick upon the ground in young channellers-dreamers. As always, a body can have much or little innate maturity [and alignment to the core] and then it matures at the rate the suffering and learning in its life allows for. As it goes on, increasing measures of the omniverse are added to the equations and greater accuracy in how the omniverse is translated ensues.

Now I'm not saying his early stuff or even his later stuff is any good, but what I am saying is that the inaccuracies are more related to bad channeling and his own immature being than to a direct motion to rip people off. His stuff goes out of date and style, because he resides and has resided in a place of non immortal resonance. Ascended? gtfo. He couldn't ascend a sandwich out of a paper bag. I'd rather listen to the paper bag give a talk.

Hey Shade, I understand your point.

However, I don´t believe in channeled materials.

First, because people who hear voices in their heads are quite possibly suffering from mental illness.

Second, because I´m aware of the possible existence of mind control weapons, which might quite well be responsible for channelings.

Third, because I believe good entities are quite serious about not interfering with our fate or freewill, so, if a person is indeed an open channel, very probably he will be surrounded by bad entities disguised as ascended masters or whatever, doing what they enjoy most, which is to deceive.

Forth, but not less important, because people can simply fake channeled materials for several different selfish reasons and purposes...Anyone can type - I AM RA...BLABLABLABLABLA.

Either way, the level of contradiction among different channeled materials is simply outstanding. Even if you filter channeled materials and keep only what you believe to be the best of the best, you´ll find many unacceptable contradictions.

Just a quick observation anyway. I don´t intend to derail the thread.

Raf.

[9eagle9]

Interestingly enough David has a degree in Psychology.


Well Wilcock is in it for the business as many other 2012 gurus. Barbara Hand Clow said alien rapture would come in 2011 and nothing happened, but she's still in business.

As RMorgan pointed out, Wilcock is selling a "hope" drug to a bunch of people who have problems coping with the harsh reality. He's also nice and polite which gains him the support of some people who override Reason with fluffy emotions which is a disturbing trend within the alternative media: a nice mask/persona is more desirable than raw intelligence.

The problem here is that if you lack knowledge on psychology then you won't be able to tell that Wilcock is looking forward to make money. If lies make him money then he'll sell them, if truth make him money, then he'll sell them. Of course some people can't or are unwilling to see this because the guy has an impeccable persona and he will be forgiven because he's nice and human and what not.

A public apology won't come out from his mouth unless he can see profit in doing so. Anyone can apologize and get away with it, it's easy to do because it's an acceptable social ritual and we are supposed to feel guilty if we don't accept an apology. So if this man was to apologize tomorrow then some people would start to demand a stop to all the negative judgements towards Wilcock.

This is why Psychology is not promoted at all within the alternative media because if it was promoted then most of the prominent personalities would be out of business eventually. Thankfully we have an audience who prefers Mythos over Logos so it's pretty easy to scam the **** out of them, then we can disappear or apologize and keep doing business. Ho, ho, ho

[DeDukshyn]

I said we were morbidly fascinated not you. You're protective.

We're fascinated.

IN a morbid way. By David and those who protect him. It just creates an environment so he can keep doing what he does best. Or the only thing he does.

Which doesn't have to be pointed out for the zillionth time. It will happen for the eleventy zillionth time because people excuse him.

I was agreeing, silly. You guys have morbid fascinations, and enjoy such threads. I was stating I don't share your endeavours. I have no reason to protect David. Like I said, if people are going to learn something from following David, then being let down, then that is their learning, and the world moves forward. Me or you bashing him or not won't make any difference there.

As you were!

[RMorgan]

I said we were morbidly fascinated not you. You're protective.

We're fascinated.

IN a morbid way. By David and those who protect him. It just creates an environment so he can keep doing what he does best. Or the only thing he does.

Which doesn't have to be pointed out for the zillionth time. It will happen for the eleventy zillionth time because people excuse him.

I was agreeing, silly. You guys have morbid fascinations, and enjoy bashing threads. I was stating I don't share your endeavours. I have no reason to protect David. Like I said, if people are going to learn something from following David, then being let down, then that is their learning, and the world moves forward. Me or you bashing him or not won't make any difference there.

As you were!

Again, there´s a big difference between bashing and criticizing, my friend.

If we were saying something like, as an example, his hair is weird, his nose is ugly and his voice is awkward, this would be bashing. We´re not doing it. Bashing leads to ridiculing, and it´s equally pathetic.

We're criticizing the flaws in his work and his behavior as a public person. That´s all.

Criticizing is essential for the development of knowledge and awareness.

Critical thinking is part of a very desirable set of qualities that lead to non-conformist behavior.

Raf.

[DeDukshyn]

I said we were morbidly fascinated not you. You're protective.

We're fascinated.

IN a morbid way. By David and those who protect him. It just creates an environment so he can keep doing what he does best. Or the only thing he does.

Which doesn't have to be pointed out for the zillionth time. It will happen for the eleventy zillionth time because people excuse him.

I was agreeing, silly. You guys have morbid fascinations, and enjoy bashing threads. I was stating I don't share your endeavours. I have no reason to protect David. Like I said, if people are going to learn something from following David, then being let down, then that is their learning, and the world moves forward. Me or you bashing him or not won't make any difference there.

As you were!

Again, there´s a big difference between bashing and criticizing, my friend.

If we were saying something like, as an example, his hair is weird, his nose is ugly and his voice is awkward, this would be bashing. We´re not doing it. Bashing leads to ridiculing, and it´s equally pathetic.

We're criticizing the flaws in his work and his behavior as a public person. That´s all.

Criticizing is essential for the development of knowledge and awareness.

Critical thinking is part of a very desirable set of qualities that lead to non-conformist behavior.

Raf.

I totally understand what you are saying Raf, I usually just ignore people I don't find very interesting, or if I disagree with them, and move on to things that forward myself. So I guess I just don't see the value. That's me, you guys are you; please, carry on. ;)

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

I think it´s important to add this:

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/rafaelmorgan2/01_zpsf0d8d14e.jpg

source:http://web.archive.org/web/19990508172312/http://www.ascension2000.com/

Screenshot taken from David Wilcock´s ascension2000 website, as it was in May, 1999.

Any comments?

Raf.

[9eagle9]

Never ceases to amaze me that people flock from the MSM that duped them to continue to be duped by the alternative media. The reason we have alternative media is to LEARN about how we got duped by MSM media. Instead people just go find someone else to pull the wool over their eyes.

[Freed Fox]

Never ceases to amaze me that people flock from the MSM that duped them to continue to be duped by the alternative media. The reason we have alternative media is to LEARN about how we got duped by MSM media. Instead people just go find someone else to pull the wool over their eyes.

It is the craving for a sense of security that tempts us into accepting the beliefs of others, along with the self-doubt that higher truths can be discovered within... At least, that is the way it seems to me. People want to be validated and not lost, or confused.

[Anchor]

David is definitively a pro.

Mmmm - I'd say its more likely that he is advised by them.

Watching this play out is an interesting dynamic.

Did anyone here actually read the article he posted?

The harvest analogy is worth contemplation. Consider that when a harvest starts, a period of time is taken before it is complete, the labour of bringing in the crop is not an instant thing - it has a beginning, duration and end. There are then processes that need to be completed on the crop bought in.

Harvest in the Law Of One, involves physical bodily death. Clearly we are not all dead yet - but we all will die, and when we do, harvest for us will be concluded and the next stage begins.

I think David Wilcock's article dances around some concepts that are useful if you want to know more about this sort of thing, but knowing about it is not really that important.

[Freed Fox]

I think the term 'harvest' should be something of a red flag, thinking objectively. The 'RA' seemed to place importance in the accuracy of its terminology. Well, harvest in the earthly sense is done to consume or utilize the crop. It is always done to the benefit of the harvester, and never to the benefit of the crop. Just my 2 cents on the LoO.

[Anchor]

I think the term 'harvest' should be something of a red flag, thinking objectively. The 'RA' seemed to place importance in the accuracy of its terminology. Well, harvest in the earthly sense is done to consume or utilize the crop. It is always done to the benefit of the harvester, and never to the benefit of the crop. Just my 2 cents on the LoO.

In the law of one, the harvest and the harvester are the same; and there is no specific reference to harvester.

[9eagle9]

Yes, like I said earlier. People make their own matrix he supplies the mindfodder to build it with. The harvester becomes the harvest, its a virus that spreads.

The entirety of parasitical interaction is based on agreement. David only has to tell the sheep that harvest is ascension and they make agreement with it. He's priming the pump. As much as David claims to be Ra I doubt he has any depthful comprehension of the Law of One, I've certainly never observed it in his behaviors.

[Shade]

Hey Shade, I understand your point.

However, I don´t believe in channeled materials.

First, because people who hear voices in their heads are quite possibly suffering from mental illness.

Second, because I´m aware of the possible existence of mind control weapons, which might quite well be responsible for channelings.

Third, because I believe good entities are quite serious about not interfering with our fate or freewill, so, if a person is indeed an open channel, very probably he will be surrounded by bad entities disguised as ascended masters or whatever, doing what they enjoy most, which is to deceive.

Forth, but not less important, because people can simply fake channeled materials for several different selfish reasons and purposes...Anyone can type - I AM RA...BLABLABLABLABLA.

Either way, the level of contradiction among different channeled materials is simply outstanding. Even if you filter channeled materials and keep only what you believe to be the best of the best, you´ll find many unacceptable contradictions.

Just a quick observation anyway. I don´t intend to derail the thread.

Raf.

Believing in channeling which comes from 'other entities' is irrelevant to my point. Channelling may be seen as accessing ones own facet or facets of perspective on the omniverse. If it is nothing other than oneself, that does not mean it is made up with the intent to deceive, nor that a person is mentally ill.
I learned how to be empathic and telepathic through channelled material. In my early years as an acolyte that was pretty much all I chose as my teaching and I was very good at picking the good stuff.
Seeing channelled material as necessarily 'other beings from other dimensions and planets etc' is actually a very limited perspective on what is going on, and biased, to be honest, because that is not the only explanation. I have come to understand all these things are aspects of people themselves. That does not mean that the channelleing of people through other people doesn't happen... I am very sure that it does.

The point to saying channelled material is all crap is not really how you go about finding the jewels in the field... you don't go around reading it all just any old crap then go oh look they contradict each other therefore it ALL must be crap.... no.. you have within you a beautiful knowing already of the truth and you look at a material and if it rings true ALREADY... it's good. It's like saying all humans are full of crap because as a whole, they contradict each other.

The quality in the field is as varied as people themselves. I found the good stuff. P'taah was one of my faves and by Jani King, not by whoever the hell else does him. I also liked St Germain's works and once again only by specific authors not just by 'anyone' - it makes all the difference. From them I learned telepathy and how to unify polarities - man I learned so much from them. I also learned from many small independents. Ananda Bosman's channelled work[his very early stuff is channelled] is some of the best writing that I have ever read.

learning how to be receptive to becoming the other is a massive field in spiritual evolution and without it one cannot master the facets of the divine being in totality.
From my observations, the most evolved persons on the planet have been and are channels. To malign the field for the reasons you have stated is from misunderstanding its nature.

Just like as with anything, what I hold as a tenet in channelling is that its not what is done but who does it and hence how it is done. Channelling isn't the issue, people are.

[Shade]

I think the term 'harvest' should be something of a red flag, thinking objectively. The 'RA' seemed to place importance in the accuracy of its terminology. Well, harvest in the earthly sense is done to consume or utilize the crop. It is always done to the benefit of the harvester, and never to the benefit of the crop. Just my 2 cents on the LoO.

Yes, It is terminology used in the logos of the Cabal. Not wanting to lump all Cabal in one basket, it is used not by all sects though I am sure. They too see harvesting as taking place and indeed that the harvesters benefit. It is intertwined in their eschatological beliefs in that in the end times, humanity is harvested by whatever cause - whether by them [preferred angle in the past] or by nature [which I am going to bet is the preferred angle these days] and they, the chosen, then inherit the earth.

it's all a bit retarded the whole harvest thing. It's addiction to the pyramidical. And the pyramidical as a geometry of rule in self or the whole is anachronistic to mature spiritual beingness.

[9eagle9]

Harvesting has been occurring since time out of mind. Energy theft is nothing new. It' s just unobserved. And if one observes one is rude for doing so, so the theft goes on and on.

People are so hopiated now they can do whatever they want right out in the open. The safe environment that is created for it.

They used to attempt to hide their dirty deeds but in an environment where everything is excused or rationalized there's no real reason to hide anymore.

[Freed Fox]

Thanks for that perspective Shade, I had not thought of the concept of this 'harvest' in that light before. However, I think you're coming on a little too strong with that second-to-last line... Even if we see someone else's beliefs to be potentially destructive we shouldn't resort to an aggressive stance that could be construed as a personal attack.

There's a certain degree of respect that we should establish for one another as a ground floor (there's no basement). I understand differences in communication styles. Some people are naturally more aggressive. And there are those of course who refuse to 'sugar-coat it'. That's admirable too. Just keep in mind there is little communicated tone over the internet with the typed word. We need to respect the level of discernment that every member here is practicing by the virtue of their very presence. It is much more than the common man who deals only with his immediate observable experiences.

[DeDukshyn]

Harvesting has been occurring since time out of mind. Energy theft is nothing new. It' s just unobserved. And if one observes one is rude for doing so, so the theft goes on and on.

People are so hopiated now they can do whatever they want right out in the open. The safe environment that is created for it.

They used to attempt to hide their dirty deeds but in an environment where everything is excused or rationalized there's no real reason to hide anymore.

Fully agree with you on this one. ;) ;) ;)

Addition:
Jake started a good thread on energy harvesting. here it is: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51142-The-Question-of-LOOSH----&highlight=loosh+jake

I'm not entirely sure that what Anchor was talking about has this same distinction (energy harvest?), but he can clarify if he feels the need.

Oh, and it is not always unobserved ... obviously.

[Anchor]

I'm not entirely sure that what Anchor was talking about has this same distinction (energy harvest?), but he can clarify if he feels the need.

Thanks, and I can confirm that I am entirely sure this ("loosh"/energy harvesting) is not what I was talking about :) I was only referring to Harvest in the context meant in the Law Of One.

Its fair game to go after though, after all its David Wilcock, once again, using someone else's esoterica to support his interpretation of things.

I would be happy to see Mr Wilcock take a stab at explaining how he interprets the "Harvest" as covered in the Law Of One transcripts.

[PurpleLama]

For the origin of Harvest, as a conceptual device, one need look only so far as the parables of Jesus. Wheat and the tares, the laborers are few, etc, etc. For a complete interpretation, one must know the filters through which the material is transmitted, that being the chosen belief systems of those individuals participating in the channelling itself. Carla was/is a Christian, therefore Ra's terminology reflected that, and the material was presented in such a way to not violate her free will in choosing her own belief system. With this in mind, much information may be inferred from the material by paying attention to how Ra is trying not to say things as much as is being said.

Wilcock and his own channelling, I have observed, has taken more of the feel good approach, taking the easy way rather that the literal interpretation of his source material. Anchor has already touched on the concept of Harvest as being something occurring when one physically dies, which is straight out of the Law, whereas David seems bent on pushing the idea that we all just magically transfer into light bodies when the clock strikes midnight. It is possible for one to just magically transfer, sure, *if* and only *if* one has already built the light body themselves. This is not an automatic process, but it is indeed the substance of such practice of remote viewing, astral projection, and so on. I'm not saying these practices do it either, rather it's a door through which such things may be ascertained.

I did hear David/Ra once say that when we harvest, that our family and pets automatically go with us, again the Law of One seems to say nothing of the sort. That was a bit of channelling he did back in '08, and was the beginning of my own turning a critical eye toward him.

The requirement to harvest, as per the Law, is that one be perfectly balanced through the first three chakras, and this is something seen more from his critics than from his proponents, unfortunate, meh. Being balanced, able to look at the coming event of ones death in a balanced, nonreactive state would be paramount, and this sort of stability, as has been widely observed, is not prevalent among the majority of his supporters.

David is just a guy who would probably do a lot more good if he didn't seem to think himself immune to the distortions that are part and parcel of *any* effort at channelling. In my experience, applying one's discernment to one's own self is difficult and rewarding.

[SilentFeathers]

Seems DW cleverly used some good "Keywords" in this latest blog as "attention grabbers", HARVEST grabs those Bible and apocalyptic (end time) people types, quantum leap grabs the scientific types, rainbow and ascension grabs new ager types, and there's quite a few more key words he uses.

Transformation is a good word too!

Harvest is a very powerful key word to almost every one of his followers.....but it's very creepy for me to think that one must be "harvested" first before "ascension" happens....yikes!

I wonder what day this "harvesting" episode is to take place? :)

These dates come and go.....perhaps DW's new "end date" will be something like a day in 2029 or somewhere else a ways down the road and a bit far away, I'm sure he's tired of picking dates that come and go so quickly...... I'm sure he's tired of "failing" when picking dates/times.

[9eagle9]

The requirement to harvest, as per the Law, is that one be perfectly balanced through the first three chakras, and this is something seen more from his critics than from his proponents, unfortunate, meh. Being balanced, able to look at the coming event of ones death in a balanced, nonreactive state would be paramount, and this sort of stability, as has been widely observed, is not prevalent among the majority of his supporters.


The wheat and the tares is a perfect example.

David himself demonstrated he does not have the same balanced approach to death. Loudly. On the radio, broadcasting for all to see that David only talks, he doesn't walk the talk. I'd hardly expect to find that same quality in his apostles.

Most of his talk is senseless and would be mostly impossible to walk. It sets people up for failure when they don't live up to David's expectations of the truth. He doesn't demonstrate 'the truth'.

He claims he is a psychic but none of his 'predictions' ever come true. That is not 'psychic' . That is creating a mold and attempting to inhabit it.

David's numerology chart shows that he has not even reached the state of evolution to be endowed with inner wisdom.

He's stuck in 3 and 4's-- unhealed wounds, and overly emotional . 3 and 4 may add up to 7, but it is not 7.

[PurpleLama]

Harvest is the term used in the Law, whereas ascension is the current popular phrase. These words essentially point to the same thing. The thing is, with the Law, and with any other valuable spiritual discipline or system of information, it's about balance, balance, balance.

As per the Law, the harvest is something that goes on for hundreds of years, and for harvest to be a mass event, rather than an individual one, the real implication is of ELE (extinction level event). It's not to be expected that mankind should become so harmonious as to achieve such a thing collectively in the *cough* easy way.

[9eagle9]

He can't get out of 'date' picking. It's his program. He can't do ANYTHING differently, he's on a program.

As far as the harvest vs ascension ....Tts called priming the pump. Create the thoughtform now and inhabit with energy. If and when the circumstances arrive his adherents will be ripe for the harvest. It's like putting a Pepsi label on a can of lye (lie).

He had to try a different tack since his ascension babble demonstrated itself to be entirely unfruitful. I'd imagine David grows a good crop, emotional woundedness, wound resonance, arrested in development. As PL noted earlier, people who are balanced are not good candidates for harvesting.

One needn't wait till they die to be harvested. This sort of thing is energy sucking while one is living.


Seems DW cleverly used some good "Keywords" in this latest blog as "attention grabbers", HARVEST grabs those Bible and apocalyptic (end time) people types, quantum leap grabs the scientific types, rainbow and ascension grabs new ager types, and there's quite a few more key words he uses.

Transformation is a good word too!

Harvest is a very powerful key word to almost every one of his followers.....but it's very creepy for me to think that one must be "harvested" first before "ascension" happens....yikes!

I wonder what day this "harvesting" episode is to take place? :)

These dates come and go.....perhaps DW's new "end date" will be something like a day in 2029 or somewhere else a ways down the road and a bit far away, I'm sure he's tired of picking dates that come and go so quickly...... I'm sure he's tired of "failing" when picking dates/times.

[SilentFeathers]

He's been good for the last 12 years up until 12-21-2012, the next date will be his final one, one that won't fail him in this lifetime.

He may even rattle it off in his next blog, now that 12-21-2012 is behind him, it's time for him to get back to work!

[9eagle9]

Let's get with the program!

Currently what he's experiencing is counter-intuitive to the program. Twice and more he's been shown it doesn't work. He doesn't get that. He will HAVE to find another date and you can literally sense him casting about for straws now, or find another program. According to his blog there's couple on there that look promising as soon as the fish nibble at the bait. The marketing thingie, what most appeals to my audience. They don't like the truth so basically anything goes.

The rainbow ascension will be developed from his fans self indulgence. When will that happen to me?!

The marketing thingie as you expressed earlier.

His fans are locked into the program now so... its only a matter of time.

[jackovesk]

NOW THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE DATE TO FOCUS ON

We are still well within an acceptable window where this "quantum jump" could happen -- but now there is no absolute date for us to obsess on.

The closest we have to a timeline is the statement we read earlier -- indicating that it would be "approximately 30 years" after 1981.

However, they did not say "35 years" -- they said "approximately" 30 years.

Therefore, anything much past 33 years from 1981 would probably have caused them to lean towards a figure of 35 years instead of 30.

In some ways I am relieved that we have now passed a hurdle where there is no absolute date for us to argue over.

I do believe some very significant and wonderful events are set to occur between now and whenever this finally happens.

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1099-2012romancereality

1 Question David..?

How the 'F' do you know, what are you God or something..?

Your no better than the 'Lying Govts' around the world...:yes4:

I thought you said it was going to happen last year..?

Like the 'Criminal Govts', you like them just 'Change the Rules' to suit yourselves..!!!

I'm just sick of your convoluted crap...:bad:

Know this to (ALL) of your kind that push this 'New Age' :bs:

Your kind are quickly becoming 'Irrelevent' just like the MSM..!!!

For 'Christs' sake all you 'Wilcock Worshipers' (I call you Weeple instead of Sheeple), :director: WAKE-UP..!

Take no note of the 'above' if you only follow the 'Wilcock Types' for entertainment purposes only...:yo:

[PurpleLama]

Some words we are using to mean different things, other various terms are used for the same things. I'm saying balance is the main prerequisite for harvest/ascension. The real, salient point is that the work to be done is here, in this reality, the work isn't just to get outta here. Those who long the most to leave this world are those who are most attached to it, and are the least qualified to go. The lesson has not been mastered that we brought ourselves here to learn/teach. Those who get a step ahead, who cut through the veil or what have you, they don't go anywhere, they just get on with the work at hand. C'est la vie.

[DevilPigeon]

NOW THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE DATE TO FOCUS ON

We are still well within an acceptable window where this "quantum jump" could happen -- but now there is no absolute date for us to obsess on.

The closest we have to a timeline is the statement we read earlier -- indicating that it would be "approximately 30 years" after 1981.

However, they did not say "35 years" -- they said "approximately" 30 years.

Therefore, anything much past 33 years from 1981 would probably have caused them to lean towards a figure of 35 years instead of 30.

In some ways I am relieved that we have now passed a hurdle where there is no absolute date for us to argue over.

I do believe some very significant and wonderful events are set to occur between now and whenever this finally happens.

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1099-2012romancereality

1 Question David..?

How the 'F' do you know, what are you God or something..?

Your no better than the 'Lying Govts' around the world...:yes4:

I thought you said it was going to happen last year..?

Like the 'Criminal Govts', you like them just 'Change the Rules' to suit yourselves..!!!

I'm just sick of your convoluted crap...:bad:

Know this to (ALL) of your kind that push this 'New Age' :bs:

Your kind are quickly becoming 'Irrelevent' just like the MSM..!!!

For 'Christs' sake all you 'Wilcock Worshipers' (I call you Weeple instead of Sheeple), :director: WAKE-UP..!

Take no note of the 'above' if you only follow the 'Wilcock Types' for entertainment purposes only...:yo:

I find it interesting reading some responses (no thread in particular, just in general), people seem to trap themselves in a 'total recall' plot of their own making... This is the trap we need to be aware of and need to avoid at all costs, it's all too easy to become hypnotised to "guru(s)" who claim sensational things and fail to deliver consistently, then blame the failure on "changing timelines" which if you think about it is totally impossible to prove.

[9eagle9]

Unfortunately though the way David distorts matters, the RA Harvest transforms itself into a harvest of a darker form.

This is what I mean about the 'new' age coming and distorting precepts so that a tower of babble is created. Creating constructs and inhabiting them emotionally and energetically will turn the RA Harvest into one that is not serving anyone but serving others. Or one is served up to others.






Some words we are using to mean different things, other various terms are used for the same things. I'm saying balance is the main prerequisite for harvest/ascension. The real, salient point is that the work to be done is here, in this reality, the work isn't just to get outta here. Those who long the most to leave this world are those who are most attached to it, and are the least qualified to go. The lesson has not been mastered that we brought ourselves here to learn/teach. Those who get a step ahead, who cut through the veil or what have you, they don't go anywhere, they just get on with the work at hand. C'est la vie.

[SilentFeathers]

It's also wise to note that we are beings right now directly connected to the Earth and all things upon it, this is our home for now, we don't go ANYWHERE until perhaps when we physically die....why in the hell are so many in such a rush to leave here when they basically just got here? and only have a vapor of a time to be here?

Why ignore the meaning of this place and lifetime here on EARTH and focus on being somewhere else or being something else so much?

Sure this place may be inhabited with spirit beings etc., but that is them and we are who we are, tethered to the EARTH and all of her elements.

To spend a lifetime wishing to be somewhere else and to be something else is ridiculous/ludicrous in my opinion.

When I occasionally get lost in this hupla of imagination and fairy tale deceptions I often go sit in the woods on the Earth and let a few mosquito's bite me, feel the trees and nature around me, and realize that what we humans do most to each other is completely ridiculous!

We are our own worst enemies.....ET's, or a massive solar flare could never do the damage that we do to ourselves.

Just my thoughts at the moment!

[PurpleLama]

Within the Law of One, and within the Cayce readings, it is strongly cautioned against seeking specific details, dates and events, for such is to invite the loyal opposition to distort the given information for the purpose of discrediting the source. It does appear David missed that part.

[SilentFeathers]

Within the Law of One, and within the Cayce readings, it is strongly cautioned against seeking specific details, dates and events, for such is to invite the loyal opposition to distort the given information for the purpose of discrediting the source. It does appear David missed that part.

I've never read the law of one, tried to a few times and shrugged it off...It just never seemed real to me, therefore I could never focus on spending time trying to read it for more than ten minutes.

[Reaver]

...then blame the failure on "changing timelines" which if you think about it is totally impossible to prove.
And that's how many of those gurus get away with it. Some will demand other people to stop their harsh judgement because the guru's ideas are impossible to prove. It is very convenient because if it's impossible or extremely hard to prove then you can dance around the subject indefinitely and denounce your critics as closed minded heretics who need to work on their heart.


why in the hell are so many in such a rush to leave here when they basically just got here? and only have a vapor of a time to be here?
Alienation and Hyper Reality. If you notice a lot of gurus -mainstream and alternative- sell people a powerful emotional and mind drug. They create a wonderful paradise of bliss and then sell this to those who are broken. It works wonders because it is only natural that someone who feels suffocated by his/her miserable life would want to escape that suffering, either by erasing their self identity or by obtaining the means to buy paradise. Society only offers a poor excuse labelled as psychology to "help" these people, the ultimate objective is to normalize these people again so that they can get back to the assembly lines and do their slave work.

Lots of people don't go back to normal again so they become broken outcasts who still crave a life with more meaning. Some manage to rise to the challenge and others drift away to other venues. Some end up in the alternative media where there seems to be people who understand their predicament. The gurus promise salvation and do point out how they have been brainwashed by the System Machine. After the subject accepts this truth then they are ready for the next phase. Next comes the revelation, the truth about their nature: They are gods, light beings, indigos, they are part of a big cosmic mission and what have you.

As per usual this is propaganda at its finest and it is used to override the mind and emotional bodies of the victims. Language is used as a magical and scientific tool to override any traces of self identity in the subject. Clever wording is used so that the subject actually thinks its their free will in action. In reality the subject's identity has been erased and been replaced with the identity created by the gurus. Now they have a very nice alternative persona and can seek refuge in the corners of the alternative media... yeah funny how they can never cope with the fact of them being outcasts and that's desirable for the gurus. Why? because if a person really starts to work on their condition and find true empowerment in their outcast condition... well then it becomes extremely hard to hypnotize this kind of person.

So this is Hyper Reality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperreality as defined by Jean Baudrillard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Baudrillard)... well some do fall into Baudillard's version and that is extremely disturbing... anyhoo..

What Hyper Reality offers is a fictitious version of reality, but often times it is extremely embellished. Enter the Alternative Hyper Reality where light bodies, chakras (a prostituted version), indigos, light workers and such non sense are abundant. Why is it so successful? In part because it offers a more desirable version of reality. You just don't tell your clients/victims that they are broken people who have to sweat, bleed and cry to get themselves out of their mess... nah that's too much and there's a really tiny market for authentic spirituality.

So you grab an ugly broken human being and perform an extreme makeover. Now it is not human anymore, it is something much nicer: A light being, a god, a goddess, part of a cosmic family with a extremely important mission and you are going "home" to a far away galaxy in a far away planet where you will be understood and loved by all.

The funny thing is that those who become completely enthralled by this Hyper Reality are so broken that they are unable to create their own fantasies so they have to rely on the gurus to give them fantastical tales about their own identity and they will be fed truth and lies, whatever helps to feed their psychological dependence. They don't like to consider themselves humans because unconsciously that links their identity to some sort of suffering and alienation, instead of facing their demons head on, they prefer the easy path and consume psychological drugs instead.

Hyper Reality it's very easy to consume and Reality is very hard to face. Many prefer the thrills of Hyper Reality. Ironically this only worsens the human condition and we find ourselves in a mass psychological reenactment: http://www.sanctuaryweb.com/reenactment.php

[RMorgan]

It's also wise to note that we are beings right now directly connected to the Earth and all things upon it, this is our home for now, we don't go ANYWHERE until perhaps when we physically die....why in the hell are so many in such a rush to leave here when they basically just got here? and only have a vapor of a time to be here?


I don´t get it as well, my friend.

People don´t want to (physically) die, but hey, change the word "die" to ascension/rapture/harvest/quantum leap/whatever and people suddenly want it!

Isn´t it all the same thing? As far as I can tell, whenever you "ascend", you´ve got to let your physical body behind, so isn´t it the same as physically dying?

People got to be careful with what they wish...

Recently, I saw that "Cloud Atlas" movie. Among other stories, there´s a bunch of cloned restaurant employees, who work their entire lives in a slavery regime, held by the promise of "ascension". From time to time, they take a bunch of employees and supposedly take them to the place where they will "ascend". This keeps the other employees´s hope high, of course, because it gives them hope that they will also "ascend" some day.

The thousands of "ascension" candidates are taken to some sort of slaughterhouse, which looks more like a big church. One of the cloned girls is lead to a fancy minimalist private room, where she sits on a fancy chaise-long. A couple of nurses ask something like - Are you ready to ascend? - The girl answers very happily - Yes, I am. Then the nurses put a helmet like structure on her head and BANG, a pneumatic piston, similar to those used to kill cows, blows her brain up in an fraction of a second.

Immediately, they take her corpse and process it on a huge automated machine, and guess what? They make a soup with her corpse (and thousands of other cloned corpses) and use this very disgusting human soup to feed the other clones, who are gladly working as slaves, waiting for the day they will also "ascend".

This is just an example, taken from a fiction movie, but it´s quite self explanatory and, somehow, profound.

The myth of salvation has been keeping people in slavery for thousands of years. Why bother being a slave here for a few decades, if you´re going to live on paradise for the rest of eternity after you die/ascend?

People should really be careful with what they wish. Who knows, mass "ascension" may happen someday, but may not be quite what people expect it to be.

Anyway, everyone will ascend, descend, or simply vanish when they die. Why all the rush to face the unknown?

Raf.

[9eagle9]

That is pretty well typical expression of emotionally wounded people. They want to escape their life for something magically delicious. Instead of just learning how to practice magick they want to be shuttled off to some vague magical place, circumstance or condition.

As much as they yark on about unconditional that is them putting conditions on their own existence.

That is imbalance on its own. David being pretty well wounded himself attracts that sort of thing, and as a psychologist he’s got to know the escapism fairy tale route will appeal to the wounded, unbalanced. Or maybe not, its hard to see one’s ‘issues’. He doesn’t show them how to heal imbalance or wounds because that is what his ‘program’ depends on . He couldn’t very well show his fans if he himself is not walking his talking.
His whole operation is based on wound resonance.

All powers that be programming depends on the emotionally wounded. Why focus on the present and what’s here now when in some unknown date in the future something magically impractical will happen?


It's also wise to note that we are beings right now directly connected to the Earth and all things upon it, this is our home for now, we don't go ANYWHERE until perhaps when we physically die....why in the hell are so many in such a rush to leave here when they basically just got here? and only have a vapor of a time to be here?

Why ignore the meaning of this place and lifetime here on EARTH and focus on being somewhere else or being something else so much?

Sure this place may be inhabited with spirit beings etc., but that is them and we are who we are, tethered to the EARTH and all of her elements.

To spend a lifetime wishing to be somewhere else and to be something else is ridiculous/ludicrous in my opinion.

When I occasionally get lost in this hupla of imagination and fairy tale deceptions I often go sit in the woods on the Earth and let a few mosquito's bite me, feel the trees and nature around me, and realize that what we humans do most to each other is completely ridiculous!

We are our own worst enemies.....ET's, or a massive solar flare could never do the damage that we do to ourselves.

Just my thoughts at the moment!

[sigma6]

Man has the capacity to project into the future and reflect on the past, as with anything, moderation in all things. I suppose if Bill said he rediscovered a new bond of friendship and appreciation, I wonder how many would have a similar ''change of heart' We don't know how many, but with the numbers on this forum we know that it would be some significant measure of statistical reality...

We are what we are... if anyone here thinks they can pull off what David is doing, or match his research... put your money where your mouth is... in the mean time, I read what intrigues me. The thing I find with the critics and naysayers, is much like this post, it just doesn't really add anything of particular value, other then the a reflection of the poster. Their emptiness, lack of creativity, ego, cynicism, or just plain lack. At the very, very least David is creative and intelligent. And I still find some of his research and writing of great interest. You don't have to love him, but he deserves respect like any other living soul. He has made information available and added to my knowledge and understanding. Can't ask for more then that... as for predictions of the future... that's anybodies game... let the buyer beware... I think your still supposed to use your own judgment.

[Anchor]

Unfortunately though the way David distorts matters, the RA Harvest transforms itself into a harvest of a darker form.

This is what I mean about the 'new' age coming and distorting precepts so that a tower of babble is created. Creating constructs and inhabiting them emotionally and energetically will turn the RA Harvest into one that is not serving anyone but serving others. Or one is served up to others.






Some words we are using to mean different things, other various terms are used for the same things. I'm saying balance is the main prerequisite for harvest/ascension. The real, salient point is that the work to be done is here, in this reality, the work isn't just to get outta here. Those who long the most to leave this world are those who are most attached to it, and are the least qualified to go. The lesson has not been mastered that we brought ourselves here to learn/teach. Those who get a step ahead, who cut through the veil or what have you, they don't go anywhere, they just get on with the work at hand. C'est la vie.

Thanks you two, for finally nailing what I have been trying to find a way to say.

[Reaver]

We are what we are... if anyone here thinks they can pull off what David is doing, or match his research... put your money where your mouth is... in the mean time, I read what intrigues me. The thing I find with the critics and naysayers, is much like this post, it just doesn't really add anything of particular value, other then the a reflection of the poster. Their emptiness, lack of creativity, ego, cynicism, or just plain lack. At the very, very least David is creative and intelligent.
Well it would take me time to pull off a con on the scale Wilcock's playing. Match his research... well it would also take some time and effort to put together the research of other people and claim it as my own.

I do have a big ego so I'll challenge you: You and I will submit a certain number of posts to the membership. They will vote on whose writings are the best in terms of quality and creativity. The one with the lowest votes get's banned for life. You know, let's put our money where our mouths are. You in?

[SilentFeathers]

Man has the capacity to project into the future and reflect on the past, as with anything, moderation in all things. I suppose if Bill said he rediscovered a new bond of friendship and appreciation, I wonder how many would have a similar ''change of heart' We don't know how many, but with the numbers on this forum we know that it would be some significant measure of statistical reality...

We are what we are... if anyone here thinks they can pull off what David is doing, or match his research... put your money where your mouth is... in the mean time, I read what intrigues me. The thing I find with the critics and naysayers, is much like this post, it just doesn't really add anything of particular value, other then the a reflection of the poster. Their emptiness, lack of creativity, ego, cynicism, or just plain lack. At the very, very least David is creative and intelligent. And I still find some of his research and writing of great interest. You don't have to love him, but he deserves respect like any other living soul. He has made information available and added to my knowledge and understanding. Can't ask for more then that... as for predictions of the future... that's anybodies game... let the buyer beware... I think your still supposed to use your own judgment.

I'm glad DW's work has enriched your life.....your post surely reflects the understanding and knowledge DW has enriched you with.

[gripreaper]

I think RA came back as a reincarnation of Thoth, and then Serapis from Atlantis returned and took St Germaine to lunch and they skipped time and inhabited bodies through the continuum when there was a call from earth to help with the harvest of souls to adhere to the ascension of the best possible timeline to forgo any discrepancies to avert the energy of the things that were to be revealed and sent out into the cosmic awareness for David Wilcock to transmute through the essence of that which is in the soulstream of RA and Edgar Cayce who foretold of Nostradamus and Revelations in the bible and how these are interrelated and how David has been chosen to proffer all essences into a synchronistic synergy of essences and he is RA as well as Edgar Cayce and is from the highest soulstream sent here to enlighten all of us.

That's what I think.

[Hervé]

Lots of good stuff in here about how to produce Ḥashshāshīn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%B8%A4ashsh%C4%81sh%C4%ABn):


the "Old Man of the Mountain" (Sabbah) would drug his young followers with hashish, lead them to a "paradise", and then claim that only he had the means to allow for their return. Perceiving that Sabbah was either a prophet or some kind of magic man, his disciples, believing that only he could return them to "paradise", were fully committed to his cause and willing to carry out his every request.

... Or "Soylent Green (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green)"...

... or how a "rejected" one can get really miffed:



From Steve Richards' Maugans' interview (http://offplanetradio.com/podcast/dreamtime-healing-ancient-aboriginal-modalities-with-steve-r.html):

Now, the other one I wanted to go in, and just explain how powerful programs are. A lot of women out there feeling they’re not good enough. So I’ve got a woman there, ‘not good enough’. So I’m dealing with her, I go back thousands of years ago. She’s a virgin, lined up with all the rest of the virgins and the high‐priest is coming along picking out the virgins to be sacrificed. ‘Thank you. Continue, what’s happened?’ “I wasn’t chosen, I’m not good enough.” That’s where it locked in thousands of years ago. Today, that program is still running, “I’m not good enough.” ‘Til we cleared that dimension. [Steve’s Notes: What a program ‐ an honor to die as a sacrifice?]

[9eagle9]

I feel sorry for the woman who cleared her 'I'm not good enough' program.

Undoubtedly now she feels good enough and will carry the 'you are conceited' meme into the next life that was generated in this one from feeling good enough.

And thus we keep the cycle going.

[9eagle9]

If Soylent Green is People then the Matrix is People. And people feed it and off each other to keep it in place.

And then complain that it's in place. But never ever once pause to reflect how they contribute to it.

because they don't want you to know.

And if anyone needed a reason for knowing, that would be it. We become each other's jailer.




Lots of good stuff in here about how to produce Ḥashshāshīn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%B8%A4ashsh%C4%81sh%C4%ABn):


the "Old Man of the Mountain" (Sabbah) would drug his young followers with hashish, lead them to a "paradise", and then claim that only he had the means to allow for their return. Perceiving that Sabbah was either a prophet or some kind of magic man, his disciples, believing that only he could return them to "paradise", were fully committed to his cause and willing to carry out his every request.

... Or "Soylent Green (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green)"...

... or how a "rejected" one can get really miffed:



From Steve Richards' Maugans' interview (http://offplanetradio.com/podcast/dreamtime-healing-ancient-aboriginal-modalities-with-steve-r.html):

Now, the other one I wanted to go in, and just explain how powerful programs are. A lot of women out there feeling they’re not good enough. So I’ve got a woman there, ‘not good enough’. So I’m dealing with her, I go back thousands of years ago. She’s a virgin, lined up with all the rest of the virgins and the high‐priest is coming along picking out the virgins to be sacrificed. ‘Thank you. Continue, what’s happened?’ “I wasn’t chosen, I’m not good enough.” That’s where it locked in thousands of years ago. Today, that program is still running, “I’m not good enough.” ‘Til we cleared that dimension. [Steve’s Notes: What a program ‐ an honor to die as a sacrifice?]

[jackovesk]

NOW THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE DATE TO FOCUS ON

We are still well within an acceptable window where this "quantum jump" could happen -- but now there is no absolute date for us to obsess on.

The closest we have to a timeline is the statement we read earlier -- indicating that it would be "approximately 30 years" after 1981.

However, they did not say "35 years" -- they said "approximately" 30 years.

Therefore, anything much past 33 years from 1981 would probably have caused them to lean towards a figure of 35 years instead of 30.

In some ways I am relieved that we have now passed a hurdle where there is no absolute date for us to argue over.

I do believe some very significant and wonderful events are set to occur between now and whenever this finally happens.

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1099-2012romancereality

1 Question David..?

How the 'F' do you know, what are you God or something..?

Your no better than the 'Lying Govts' around the world...:yes4:

I thought you said it was going to happen last year..?

Like the 'Criminal Govts', you like them just 'Change the Rules' to suit yourselves..!!!

I'm just sick of your convoluted crap...:bad:

Know this to (ALL) of your kind that push this 'New Age' :bs:

Your kind are quickly becoming 'Irrelevent' just like the MSM..!!!

For 'Christs' sake all you 'Wilcock Worshipers' (I call you Weeple instead of Sheeple), :director: WAKE-UP..!

Take no note of the 'above' if you only follow the 'Wilcock Types' for entertainment purposes only...:yo:

I find it interesting reading some responses (no thread in particular, just in general), people seem to trap themselves in a 'total recall' plot of their own making... This is the trap we need to be aware of and need to avoid at all costs, it's all too easy to become hypnotised to "guru(s)" who claim sensational things and fail to deliver consistently, then blame the failure on "changing timelines" which if you think about it is totally impossible to prove.

Yes, 'Hope' is 'Overated' whereas going within and 'Creating your Own Reality' just by being 'Aware & Present' in the moment is not...:)

If your not already practicing this, you soon will be...:yes4:

[Bill Ryan]

I feel sorry for the woman who cleared her 'I'm not good enough' program.

Undoubtedly now she feels good enough and will carry the 'you are conceited' meme into the next life that was generated in this one from feeling good enough.

And thus we keep the cycle going.

The resolution of "I'm not good enough" programming (however it takes its hold) is not "I'm conceited".

The proper resolution would be: "I'm fine the way I am, and have no cause to think or feel badly about myself in any way."

The goal is to remove these negative thoughtforms. Not replace them with their opposite.

[9eagle9]

I'll try that and see what happens :)




I feel sorry for the woman who cleared her 'I'm not good enough' program.

Undoubtedly now she feels good enough and will carry the 'you are conceited' meme into the next life that was generated in this one from feeling good enough.

And thus we keep the cycle going.

The resolution of "I'm not good enough" programming (however it takes its hold) is not "I'm conceited".

The proper resolution would be: "I'm fine the way I am, and have no cause to think or feel badly about myself in any way."

The goal is to remove these negative thoughtforms. Not replace them with their opposite.

[niki]

Yes, 'Hope' is 'Overated' whereas going within and 'Creating your Own Reality' just by being 'Aware & Present' in the moment is not...:)

If your not already practicing this, you soon will be...:yes4:

Unfortunately, even the "Creating your own Reality" has become just another empty and "just ordinary" meme/jargons, with no subtle/deeper meaning whatsoever.

it's just another term cleverly 'marketed' by all those sickeningly New-Age "gurus, Ascended Masters, Lightworkers, Light beings, Galactic Federation of Light" and all other similar B.S !

too many damn lies in humanity, even among the alternative communities!
which makes me feels even more hopeless and feeling misanthrope (hating our human species)!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

The proper resolution would be:


"I'm fine the way I am,

Yupz!


and have no cause to think or feel badly about myself in any way."

Nopez!

and have only cause to think or feel good about myself in any way.

YUPZ


That gives you, "I'm fine the way i am, and have only cause to think and feel good about myself in any way"


The above in green sentence is a correct affirmation, depending on someones personality or how Clear, someone is this will have the desired effect in any case, the interesting bit is of course, sociopaths and psychopaths can also start feeling pretty good about themselves and make them sometimes even more narcisist since every message you send to your brain will have an effect.

The trick with affirmations is, when you do the affirmation stated as an absolute positive some questions will arise to contradict you statement, these questions regarding the subject of your affimation need to be adressed untill you run out of questions, the best way is is to write down your affimation 20x and leave space under them to also write down you replies to the affirmation as soon as they boil up, ( this gives you your progamming on a silver platter) do this in a single sitting, and repeat as long as needed for as many days is needed to complete your contradicion list and adress them, you will probably come to the conclusion you have many questions that basically are the same in different formulations, fix the hard one and the rest will drop like a ton of bricks since they are only variations of the hardest question, go for the cause, not the effects.

Affirmations should only be stated as absolute possitives/negatives, dont give your mind or conciousness anything thats contradictory, it doesnt "get it" that way and gives you poor/mixed up results ( "i only beat the **** out of you because i love you"this is how mind control works, divide and conquer, it also creates borderline personalities and other psychiatric conditions, wich in fact are only logical results of presenting the brain, heart and soul with mixed messages and it has to create a reality that "somewhat works"for survival, also logical would be some going cuckoo or appear that way), the magick is in programming/deprogamming either completely positive or that other choice.

Regards

Ed

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Unfortunately, even the "Creating your own Reality" has become just another empty and "just ordinary" meme/jargons, with no subtle/deeper meaning whatsoever.

it's just another term cleverly 'marketed' by all those sickeningly New-Age "gurus, Ascended Masters, Lightworkers, Light beings, Galactic Federation of Light" and all other similar B.S !

too many damn lies in humanity, even among the alternative communities!
which makes me feels even more hopeless and feeling misanthrope (hating our human species)!

So how have you changed your reality and or do you have suggestions about how to change it, please share.

Hating the human species is a bit of a generalisation imo, you have nobody you love then, not even yourself?

[9eagle9]

It has Niki. It has BECOME that way.

Who turned 'Creating Your Reality' that way? Corrupted it? Made it empty?

Your post has a lot more of what you know in it then I think you are consciously aware of.

The tools for invoking a creation matrix aren't marketed by sickening new age gurus; they are corrupted beyond use by new age gurus, who spindle the truth, function and meaning in it and THEN market metaphysics as MSG, and Cornsyrup.

A safe environment is CREATED for them to corrupt older functional wisdoms and practices because basically those are not huge money makers in a stressed out slave labor world. People are programmed with the promise of instant self gratification by the tv set, with credit cards, and fast food. A ripe environment. The truthful nature of creating one's own reality takes a bit of work and quite a lot of time investment and self reflection, but one is then working for themselves and enriching themselves not feeding the pockets of new age bureaucrats. They are no longer feeding 'the matrix'.

At all times we are creating our own reality unconsciously with no effort, no gurus, not new age bs. However, we are programmed people so ...we create a reality for others that they prefer. We are just the batteries, the creators of a reality that does not serve us very well because our creative energy is filtered into molding a reality for the corrupt to enjoy.

David is a prime example. Without his fans creating his 'reality' he'd not have that reality, that arena to run around corrupting people, and tools that would truly empower people. He has his own little matrix world and it is just another brick in the wall of a larger matrix world.

If people defend what he corrupts they are simply depriving themselves of their ability to create a reality of their design. They are hurting themselves, and then spin in circles pointing fingers at others screaming, 'you are angry'!

Why should we be, we aren't the ones sickened by the water well that others either drink from or defend.

Like we created an environment for the government to do whatever it wants. Nor were we allowed to be angry or criticize the government thus creating a safe environment for it to get our of our control. Now we do the same thing with the new age fluffsters as they corrupt higher principals and take them out of people's reach.

There are very clear wisdoms that the new age has not corrupted into meaninglessness. People who practice them are not popular, but hold these principals in sacredness and keep them whole for others. They are not secret they are sacred. The 'secret' was never a secret.

It still exists but it's not popular since it didn't go through the happy juice blender and are not based on instant gratification.

Basically what they want are a pack of living cy-borgic organic portals that helplessly just direct their energy wherever it feels good to direct it to create their reality for them. And that is where most people are heading. You see evidence of it daily.

Then one decides for themselves if they are going to follow suit or ...not. That then would be the first step of creating your own reality. I'm not going there.

WE are very much involved for a battle to preserve our minds.






Yes, 'Hope' is 'Overated' whereas going within and 'Creating your Own Reality' just by being 'Aware & Present' in the moment is not...:)

If your not already practicing this, you soon will be...:yes4:

Unfortunately, even the "Creating your own Reality" has become just another empty and "just ordinary" meme/jargons, with no subtle/deeper meaning whatsoever.

it's just another term cleverly 'marketed' by all those sickeningly New-Age "gurus, Ascended Masters, Lightworkers, Light beings, Galactic Federation of Light" and all other similar B.S !

too many damn lies in humanity, even among the alternative communities!
which makes me feels even more hopeless and feeling misanthrope (hating our human species)!

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It depends if Niki really hates humans or just despises the cardboard cut out masks that they have become. In that case she's not hating humanity anymore than someone who hates a cardboard box . No moral quandry there.




Unfortunately, even the "Creating your own Reality" has become just another empty and "just ordinary" meme/jargons, with no subtle/deeper meaning whatsoever.

it's just another term cleverly 'marketed' by all those sickeningly New-Age "gurus, Ascended Masters, Lightworkers, Light beings, Galactic Federation of Light" and all other similar B.S !

too many damn lies in humanity, even among the alternative communities!
which makes me feels even more hopeless and feeling misanthrope (hating our human species)!

So how have you changed your reality and or do you have suggestions about how to change it, please share.

Hating the human species is a bit of a generalisation imo, you have nobody you love then, not even yourself?