Black helicopter crash over London

[araucaria]

I wonder who was flying over London today; Sky was quick to say 1 dead, presumably the pilot, but apparently someone else was killed too.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/16/helicopter-crash-in-vauxhall-live-updates

[Anchor]

I am currently convinced this was an accident. However, I am also sure the media will try to make a lot out of this - (2 confirmed dead atm). Expect the word terrorist to be used a lot. There were a lot of witnesses who are saying on the news (even here in Australia) that they saw it was an accident and did not look as if it was something done on purpose.

[ROMANWKT]

I pass on this road mostly every day to work for 30 years or so, we have a heliport there in battersea, seems to of hit a tall crane, loads of new building works all over there. lucky no work for me today.

Regards

roman

[Star Tsar]

Not 500 meters from MI6 headquarters might I add....

[ROMANWKT]

Not 500 meters from MI6 might I add....

Exactly

Regards

roman

[araucaria]

I was thinking if a passenger was killed (even by accident), it might be someone somewhat important and they may need to invent someone killed in the street to cover it over. Are black helicopters common?

[Star Tsar]

Yes I agree and the crane it allegedly smashed into is massive it would have had at least two hazard lights on it!

[Zelig]

"The Ministry of Defence said it was not a military helicopter, and a British security official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak to the press said the incident was not terror-related."

It's interesting how it can be so clearly and emphatically declared not terror-related so quickly. It almost seems like those orchestrating the various "terror" dramas are the first to know when it's not one of their productions. Telling.

[donk]

The crane operator only survived the Vauxhall helicopter crash because he was running late and had not reached his cabin when the aircraft came down, a lorry driver said.

Paul Robinson, 42, said the man would have been "wiped out" if he had been on time this morning.

Instead, he was still climbing up the crane's shaft when disaster struck.

Site workers said the man, who has not been identified, had never been late before.

He is understood to have been held up while dropping his children at school.



Good for him, nice synchronicity...good day for the first time being late.

I always thought being on time all the time is over-rated...

[araucaria]

When a plane crashes there are always one or two people should have been on it or shouldn't have been; this is statistically only to be expected. But here we have 100% escaping: nice synchronicty indeed.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

sounds like small arms takin talk

IED search RPG search basic strip search of London INC imo

oh yeah and heathrow will be called HELLsGATE

[Earth Angel]

always wondered why the WTC towers had so few people in them the morning of 9/11.......coincidences?? yea sure

[Keltikmuse]

Not 500 meters from MI6 headquarters might I add....
my thoughts exactly :cool:

[araucaria]

I am still intrigued to know who the second dead person is. Even before this was announced I felt there had to be one. Now it turns out the pilot was one of the best, used to transporting royalty and leading politicians. What was he doing on a foggy day, surely not out on a joyride.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/16/helicopter-crash-pilot-pete-barnes?intcmp=122

[norman]

If the pilot had been flying so many big shots around, was he unfortunate enough to have known too much?


EDIT:

The fact that it happened right in the middle of London suggests it was an accident. If anyone wanted him dead I'm quite sure they would have picked a more remote spot.

[Aurvandil]

I was thinking if a passenger was killed (even by accident), it might be someone somewhat important and they may need to invent someone killed in the street to cover it over. Are black helicopters common?

Yes, you are right:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263213/Helicopter-crash-Vauxhall-London-2-dead-13-injured-aircraft-hits-crane-Thames-skyscaper.html

It also says the pilot didn´t have any passengers... :rolleyes: Really don´t understand how such a experienced pilot can make such fatal misstake...

[Etherios]

i was wrong about the black helicopter comments ...

i think the title here is a bit weird :-P

[Earth Angel]

was there a drill about a helicopter crashing into a crane going on anywhere nearby ??? ;)

[smithersjones]

Yes I agree and the crane it allegedly smashed into is massive it would have had at least two hazard lights on it!
Yes This is true,
However, it has emerged that back in October 2012 a report was filed by A Local Resident to the Air Authority & or Local Council that only One light was visible and furthermore the same light was not working properly??

I think the reports that are out now, seem to have a bit more information in them.
We can now see it was not a black helicopter, the pilot was the only person on board,
The pilot was traveling from Surrey to Elstree but diverted due to bad weather.
Many helicopters follow the Thames as a flight route through the city. This helicopter appeared to be flying farther south than usual,

No cause has yet been given for the crash, but visibility was poor in London on Wednesday morning, with fog and a very low cloud ceiling.

[araucaria]

i was wrong about the black helicopter comments ...

i think the title here is a bit weird :-P

How were you wrong, you haven't said anything yet?

I think your post is a bit weird.

The quoted article says the helicopter was black. When whistleblowers have helicopters flying over their homes, they say the helicopter(s) was/were black. Take it from there.

Having said that, it could have been 'sky blue pink' and still done whatever job it was out to do :)

[araucaria]

I was thinking if a passenger was killed (even by accident), it might be someone somewhat important and they may need to invent someone killed in the street to cover it over. Are black helicopters common?

Yes, you are right:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263213/Helicopter-crash-Vauxhall-London-2-dead-13-injured-aircraft-hits-crane-Thames-skyscaper.html

It also says the pilot didn´t have any passengers... :rolleyes: Really don´t understand how such a experienced pilot can make such fatal misstake...

Thank you for that article: it explains the pilot error: the helicopter was shaking before it hit the crane...


EYEWITNESS: HELICOPTER WAS SHAKING BEFORE IT HIT CRANE

Sharon Moore lives on an estate just yards from the crash scene.
The 36-year-old telephoned the emergency services having witnessed the crash with her eight year old daughter Tia at 7:55am.
She said: 'We looked up and we heard firstly the helicopter and one minute it was flying normally and the next it was being erratic.
'It was rocking and shaking from side to side and then it went straight into the arm of the crane. The helicopter just came spiralling down and then it hit at least one car that was driving towards Vauxhall.
'There were three loud bangs which just went "boom boom boom" and it looked as if another car was also on fire.'

[smithersjones]

Really don´t understand how such a experienced pilot can make such fatal misstake...
it has emerged that back in October 2012 a report was filed by A Local Resident to the Air Authority & or Local Council that only One light was visible and furthermore the same light was not working properly??

[smithersjones]

A bit of an update on the helicopter and the company that own it.
-The helicopter is believed to be an Agusta Westland AW109, a lightweight, twin-engine helicopter with eight seats. Records for the helicopter thought to be involved in the crash — G-CRST — show that it was built in 1997 and has twin engines made by Pratt & Whitney of the USA.
and has been registered with leasing company since Feb 2011
Castle Air Ltd
Trebrown
Liskeard
Cornwall PL14 3PX
UK

Castle Air Ltd:
Castle Air was conceived back in 1979 and specialised in aerial filming, making its most famous debut with the hit series "Treasure Hunt". A company policy of continual reinvestment into Aircraft, Personnel and Equipment has allowed us to become a leader in this specialised field.

Operationally Castle Air have been called upon to carry out an extremely wide variety of tasks, from filming in the Arctic Circle to VIP transport on the African equator.

Castle Air diversified into the buying and selling of Agusta 109s from all around the world, with customer bases from Barbados to Australia.

[araucaria]

Apparently this was not the pilot who shipped the 'queen' into the Olympics, a bit beneath him probably.

[Carmody]

If the pilot had been flying so many big shots around, was he unfortunate enough to have known too much?

This man transported royalty and big shots, as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams

I do know of eventual high level masons who had such jobs in their youth. (to be expected, one might say) And I do know good masons, so this about individual and 'potential connections', not a generalized slur.

[Poly Hedra]

I have been watching this all day. I dont think that it was planned. I would love to hear more about the crane operator who was late for the first time in years. Lucky so and so. I wonder if he has realised how insanely lucky he is.

[Anchor]

Man, 39, from Surrey, named as second victim of London helicopter crash as Met chief tells of disbelief that more than two lives weren't lost in rush-hour fireball horror just yards from busy train station

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263213/39-year-old-Sutton-named-second-victim-London-helicopter-crash-police-chief-speaks-disbelief-accident-did-claim-lives.html


Matthew Wood, 39, died after the helicopter came crashing down onto the street in Vauxhall during peak rush hour
RotorMotion pilot Pete Barnes, 50, worked on films such as Die Another Day, Tomb Raider II and Saving Private Ryan
Helicopter hit crane at top of The Tower St George Wharf in central London today and cartwheeled before exploding
Struck ground just 20 yards from Vauxhall station and area was evacuated because of precarious position of crane
Two people died and at least 12 injured - one critically - in crash involving helicopter flying to Elstree, Hertfordshire
Four out of five injured people taken to hospital have been discharged
Plume of smoke visible at 8am with bystanders saying weather was bad and 'you could hardly see top of building'
Eyewitnesses saw 'a flash and helicopter plunged to the ground' and said 'people were screaming after it crashed'
London Fire Brigade: Eight fire engines, four fire rescue units and 88 firefighters attended along with ambulances
Firefighters trying to make structure safe and insist there is 'no imminent risk of crane collapsing at the moment'
Air Accidents Investigation Branch begins investigation to establish if proper procedures were followed by pilot
MI6 'went into lockdown' but London's Counter Terrorism Command says there's 'nothing to suggest terrorism link'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263213/39-year-old-Sutton-named-second-victim-London-helicopter-crash-police-chief-speaks-disbelief-accident-did-claim-lives.html

[smithersjones]

Just found out this, thought that i would throw this into the mix?
The United States is building a new Embassy in London! Beginning in 2008 when we announced the purchase of a site in the Nine Elms area of Wandsworth, and ending in 2017 when we are scheduled to move into a new facility, this is a process that will produce a modern, welcoming, safe and energy efficient embassy for the 21st century.

Aerial View of new site
http://london.usembassy.gov/new_embassy16.html

Whilst i do NOT think that there is anything sinister in this horrific accident, (RIP those that have lost their lives)
Just imagine what would be doing the rounds now if the new Embassy had been built already??

[peace]

holy ****. a conspiracy for everything, huh?

this place is laughable.

[ViralSpiral]

holy ****. a conspiracy for everything, huh?

this place is laughable.

http://www.hippiehero.com/images/product/large/275.jpg

[Ellisa]

Sometimes an accident is just accidental.

In this case it seems to have been established that the crane did not have the correct warning lights on it and the crane and it and the building were some 400 ft from the ground. The helicopter would not have had a chance in a thick fog, which apparently there was.

Or perhaps MI5 or 6 have a fog machine?

[ghostrider]

okay, a pilot that flys important people or royalty around, he aint no slouch... bet he heard something , someone didn't want repeated ...easy to tamper with a chopper... at bragg when I was in the army, blackhawk choppers crashed all the time ... lots of moving parts ...

[araucaria]

holy ****. a conspiracy for everything, huh?

this place is laughable.

http://www.hippiehero.com/images/product/large/275.jpg

We are not finding a conspiracy everywhere, just decoding the mainstream news, which is always a good idea, rather than just take it at face value. The thread title is inexact. The craft was not black but dark blue, but as I have already said, the color is ultimately irrelevant - not a moving part :)

I am left with two things: my intuition that one person at least 'on the ground' was also killed proved correct. Interesting, but no more than that at this stage. Second, the helicopter seems to have been having mechanical problems before crashing; this would be the cause of the crash and needs investigating.

[araucaria]

The plot thickens: there were actually two crane drivers miraculously saved by oversleeping:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263615/Vauxhall-helicopter-crash-Lucky-Richard-Moule-Nicki-Biagioni-overslept-missed-death-minutes.html

This is truly miraculous, no irony intended.