A very high-resolution UFO photo

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All:

A friend gave me this photo last night. It was taken by a friend of his, a number of years ago, in Peru. The original was sent to Art Bell, who apparently never returned it.

This photo posted here is a high-resolution scan (which I did myself at 2400 dpi) of a good first-generation print. The digital images have not been altered or touched-up in any way.

The original high-resolution photo (5.3 Mb) can be downloaded here:

http://projectavalon.net/Peru_UFO.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Peru_UFO_sm.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Peru_UFO_close-up.jpg

[ROMANWKT]

A wonderful photo Bill, It may be a UFO, But a human mind designed this ship, I am an ex engineer from long ago and designed and build body construction, its just vibrates to me as a human archetype design.

Regards to you Bill

roman

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Nice picture, whenever i see a saucer image like that i always feel some nostalgia, i dont know if saucers look like that at all any more, i am probably just spoiled by all those sci-fi movies, series or all those EMV images orbiting the planets or our sun, the J.L. Walson images of the vehicles he made in orbit or further out there make these saucers look very old fashioned and very fifties, sixties and seventies, maybe progress out there isnt as far ahead as we think at all, or perhaps we have captured so many different "ET/ED"stuff that we are now lightyears ahead of them by combining all technologies we came across.

Any idea when and how late during the day this image was taken, and in what year, perhaps some member on the forum with some science background can find out why it does not seem to cast a shadow on the ground, or is the angle just slightly of when the image was taken, the tree does have a shadow if my eyes dont deceive me.

Thanks Bill

[Bill Ryan]

perhaps some member on the forum with some science background can find out why it does not seem to cast a shadow on the ground, or is the angle just slightly of when the image was taken, the tree does have a shadow if my eyes dont deceive me.

Thanks Bill

The shadow from the tree suggests the sun was at a 45-50 degree angle from the ground. Applying that to the disk, the shadow of the craft would be to the bottom left of the photo, not clearly visible. The metallic reflection is fully consistent with the angle of the sun.

I have one or two other details which I can post (an e-mail to my friend from the person who took the photo). Its value is just that it's an unusually sharp image. There are tens of thousands of UFO photos out there, but this must be one of the better ones.

[WhiteFeather]

Nice Photo Bill.......Thanks for sharing with us. Its nice to share! ;)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

So, this is interesting, cant help my imagination running wild now having just read "angels in starships"grinn, looks like this UFO is posing for the image, very kind of it, was it the arrival of this friends friend hot date perhaps? Just being playfull here, the picture is nice in any case.;)

[Snoweagle]

A wonderful photo Bill, It may be a UFO, But a human mind designed this ship, I am an ex engineer from long ago and designed and build body construction, its just vibrates to me as a human archetype design.

Regards to you Bill

roman

Devils advocate here, hubcaps?
From the inclination of the disk suggests it could potentially be a discus thrown from off-camera, left to right. There is little in the photo to correlate distance or size without being speculative.
Indeed, either way, real or fake, the original photograph would have been a quality image which would merit intense scrutiny, formally or otherwise.

[GoodETxSG]

Sport Model? Hmmm...

[Mike Gorman]

Great picture Bill, to me it looks a lot like the craft Billy Meyer photographed, same design. You would think design principles would be universal according to function.

[ghostrider]

Thanks Bill, that craft wanted to be seen... most have sheilds from vibrations that make them invisible ...it doesn't look like a plejaren craft, it does make me wonder which of our visitors it belongs to, and why peru ??? perhaps lots of jungle and people are spread out ???

[pimpom]

Bill is right, i've looked closer into the image code to see if it's been altered by anything at all - and seems not. tho it was recoverd using a CanoScan LiDE 110 last year, so i cannot trace what happend before that - but as i guess the images was taken before year 20000 so i higly doubt it's been altered (but then again, last time i made a fake starship i did remove the trace the same way..) , but an alien craft? dont think so. Looks more like the prototypes from ww2.

[ghostrider]

A thought came to mind, for those who don't believe in UFO's, you see the picture , does that make it not exist ??? to not believe in something one must first believe it exists ... like wearing a seatbelt , ohh I don't believe in seatbelts ...you don't believe in them but, they still exist ... I long for the day where UFO's become spaceships, they are identified, they are spaceships or planetships or interstellar ships, or dimensional ships... to me they are no longer UFO's ...no matter who built them or owns them or their purpose, they are ships , task for different things ...

[Dick]

Ofcourse it is an human design, its made bij us, 2000 years after today, and they came back to show it :-)

[ghostrider]

Ofcourse it is an human design, its made bij us, 2000 years after today, and they came back to show it :-)

ha ha I love it, what is scary , it could be yours...you just haven't built it yet... We are pushing diclosure from the future into the past...We sent it back to show it to ourselves and the world... hmmmm...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Why Peru?

this is a real time image so will change, but look at the energy coming in from the sun and how it separates, almost like something is drawing the extra energy from the atmosphere...

http://www.ips.gov.au/Images/HF%20Systems/Global%20HF/Ionospheric%20Map/WorldIMap0.gif

now remember the underwater cities? that look like a huge circuit board?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8bvdhqdWcM


how many have had extreme burns in the summer when playing in the water? it magnifies the energy, could it be an underwater solar system in all of these lakes?

are there really ET civilizations living underground in the mountains of Peru?

remember also the recent release of the Primer field info, the cones are shaped like saucers...

is it possible they are capable of capturing energy while traveling?

MIT recently came up with an alloy that transfer heat into electricity...

could it be an alloy they found in one of the fallen ET crafts they have recreated?

so many questions...

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Im just curious, the pixilation of the back ground is missing around the craft. There is a small but visible trace line around it which is mostly clear.

Im wondering what that might be?

N

[DeDukshyn]

Im just curious, the pixilation of the back ground is missing around the craft. There is a small but visible trace line around it which is mostly clear.

Im wondering what that might be?

N

Contrast. You can see it around the trees in the bottm right as well. Looks a bit like the effect a "sharpening" filter creates to increase contrast at the edges, but I am not saying this is why it is there.

[AwakeInADream]

Has the photo been analyzed professionally?

It looks genuine to me, but I can't tell from looking at it how near or far the craft is, so so I can't judge it's size.

@Bill, How large would you say it is?

[Cidersomerset]

Great picture Bill, to me it looks a lot like the craft Billy Meyer photographed, same design. You would think design principles would be universal according to function.




Same here Galaxy Horse , it looks similar to type one .....

http://www.crystalinks.com/beamships.gif


Artists impression
http://www.galactic.no/rune/bilde2se.jpg


http://chandrakantha.com/articles/indian_music/filmi_sangeet/media/1964_UFO.jpg

T6n-coWZ0-Q

I know some people think he did all with models, dustbin lids & string
but I don't agree , especially his photos in India...LOL...Steve...

[bogeyman]

I would get the photo analyzed by a photographic expert, there are techniques which can determine the size and possibly authenticity of the photograph. It seems to me, initial view, that there is something wrong with the picture.

[witchy1]

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/1939germanhaunebus.jpg (http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/1939germanhaunebu.jpg) http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/nazi13s.jpg (http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/nazi13.jpg) http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/vril-1jagers.jpg (http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/vril-1jager.jpg) http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/vril-6odins.jpg (http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/vril-6odin.jpg) http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/vril-7geists.jpg (http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/vril-7geist.jpg) http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/vril-8odins.jpg (http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/vril-8odin.jpg)
Looks like those German ones from the war. Plenty of photos on the net. These from http://www.ufocasebook.com/naziufos.html
Try here: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47brotherthebig/index.html

There are some better ones...Ill go looking

[witchy1]

clearly fake - sorry

[bennycog]

just one photograph taken Bill?
Since it looks so clear. I would imagine if it was real it would have been sitting in position for a decent amount of time to take the picture.. So just wondering why one photo was taken, unless there is more?
if it was real i would be inclined to think, like most on here that it would be a shadow government vehicle..

Hey witchy i have seen them craft above in a documentry that i saw a few years ago about a ufo graveyard but the ufo's were prototypes done throughout the years.. I forget the what the doco was called and i have searched through the net trying to find it many times but i cannot get it up again.. I really wished i had of saved it somehow..
I have said many times i think that 90 percent to 95 percent or more of unidentified craft seen in the sky is involved in black projects or joint ventures with those extra dimensionals..

[Cidersomerset]

The problems we have is we think the Germans had a few prototypes at the end of
the war, technology either channelled to them or given by direct sources by ET's or
some other entities.If they had any more than that, they would have turned the
tide of the war.They go into this in this Russian documentry.

Third Reich - Operation UFO (Nazi Base In Antarctica) Complete Documentary

MwUpPwyyvLw





http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54411-Third-Reich-Operation-UFO--Nazi-Base-In-Antarctica--Complete-Documentary

If the Nazis did manage to set up a base in Ant Arctica which pre war info suggests,
and they did have links to sympathetic regimes in South america, its possible they
have built a secret operartion that thru the connections with the NAZI who
infultrated the US thru operation paper clip have developed into part of the 'Black
government'. Eisenhowers meeting with ET's , could have been the same group
helping the Nazi and an alliance formed ,which leads to the infiltration of the US
Government/Corporate state fachism.Which researchers like Joseph Farrel, Jim
Marrs suggest and Richard Dolan says maybe the origins of the alternate
human/alien space fleet /Moon/mars civilisation,In which case there technology is
way beyond what we see now.It may not be exactly as I said ,but you get the
picture. So most of the tech we see could be anglo ET /terrestial or just developed
human.Or some other scenario within this theme.


Alternately they could be ET's like the Palaidians who have been monitoring us for
thousands of years with their own agendas and we have had contact with them
from time to time. There are thousands of these cases thru out history , to many to
be mass illusions imo. The Tall whites in New Mexico are a fascinating group, and if
Charles Hall is making it all up he's got a good immaginion, Travis Walton and
many others.It could be that a lot of these ET's are from the secret space
programme. Or interdimetional entities linked to the Archons ( greys ) there are
many theories and scenarios as you know but the recordings of seeing disc shaped
UFO's go way back into history.

Of course hoaxing is possible with models, photo shop and CGI buts thats relatively
new and has obviously damaged the credibilty of the field,because the more
cameras have become availble to the public to record these events, fabrication
technology has advanced as well.So we are still far from the diffinitive answer to
whether the multi craft spotted all over the world are real or imagination but the
fact scientists the Vatican and many others are talking about our 'space brothers'
leads me to think I may find out in my lifetime which will be cool..LOL..unless
Arthur C Clarke was right in his book 'To Serve Man' and we are a tasty morsal
being farmed for DNA parts !!

We could speculate all day, but I'm sure we are not and have never been
alone ..LOL..Steve...



17 Billion earth size planets....
http://web.orange.co.uk/images/ice/news/bskyb_image_213765_v1_planets_1_400x240.jpg

http://web.orange.co.uk/article/news/milky_way_has_17_billion_earth_like_planets

[Atlas]

Another saucer of the same kind:

http://www.iwasabducted.com/ufogallery/ufo108.jpg

[The Castellan]

I would get the photo analyzed by a photographic expert, there are techniques which can determine the size and possibly authenticity of the photograph. It seems to me, initial view, that there is something wrong with the picture.
And that is?

[Arak]

My first impression was that this is fake. Most like due the the fact that there is a) no motion blur (which could be explained if UFO would have been hovering), b) there is something wrong with the focus area (too sharp to be behind the trees, too small to be closer than trees), c) image has artefacts around the ufo (which could be becouse of heavy JPEG compression ofc, would need to see the original or better scan to judge better). And if this image is pre-cgi era I would say that this is done by throwing this UFO in the air and snapping then the picture.

[Sunny-side-up]

Nice photo Bill ;)

On subject of UFO's/craft who fly's English Rugby Ball shaped (like a blimp) craft, craft that have bright-malty-clouded-surface (Not individual Lights), it looks like the pulsating skin of a cuttlefish!

[Roisin]

In 2005, myself and 3 others saw a huge silver metallic triangle ufo in broad daylight silently horvering over the shoreline of Lake Erie. And if we had taken a photo of it, it would have turned out like the photo that Bill is showing here in this thread because we were seeing it as clearly as the UFO that is showing up in that pic. So for this reason, I DO think it's an authentic photo of a UFO... that and the fact that Bill trusts his source on this one that's it's authentic so that's important too.

[The Castellan]

In 2005, myself and 3 others saw a huge silver metallic triangle ufo in broad daylight silently horvering over the shoreline of Lake Erie. And if we had taken a photo of it, it would have turned out like the photo that Bill is showing here in this thread because we were seeing it as clearly as the UFO is showing up in that pic. So for this reason, I DO think it's an authentic photo of a UFO... that and the fact that Bill trusts his source on this one that's it's authentic so that's important too.

yea, it's like the guys in the ships are saying, "Yo, here I am, get our your cameras!"

[Roisin]

The triangle we saw was much bigger and further away than the UFO that's seen in that photo... and it was hovering at a slightly higher altitude but low enough to see the top of it too.

This was before the days when all cellphones had cams in them like it is today but it was close enough and clear enough.. like the UFO in that photo, it would have shown up the same way had a pic been taken of it.

[Atlas]

I found it ! While looking for similar photos, I found this one allegedly taken in 1996 in Florida:

http://www.ufohypotheses.com/176%20G.%20Breeze,%20FL,%20June%2093,%20Copter,%20Anon%20%201.jpg
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/recent/photo154.htm

And I noticed one interesting thing: the tree in Bill's photo is the exact same one:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/ufos/billsufo-sametree.jpg

What are your thoughts :confused:

[Hervé]

...

... !!! ...

:yo:

[Roisin]

Though it says on that site that it was taken in Florida, how do we know that maybe that was typed out in error where it should have stated Peru instead.... where it could be the same UFO only at a different angle than the UFO in the photo that Bill is showing that was captured by his friend?

I'm guessing that Bill's friend must have taken a few photos of that UFO at that location.

[Atlas]

I'm guessing that Bill's friend must have taken a few photos of that UFO at that location.

Good guess Roisin, there are indeed more photos:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/ufos/gulfbreeze/florida3.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/ufos/gulfbreeze/florida11.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/ufos/gulfbreeze/florida2.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/ufos/gulfbreeze/florida555.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/ufos/gulfbreeze/florida4.jpg

[Hervé]

The sequence, some resized, some mirrored:


https://fwtinw.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y2prKquU-Rk03uKRikcBQOiLZk6duf5bbJ3l6h5FKS4nrPKfzgPd_nrtMLFAPxAtpv-T962IfYdn0VxGBN3efL7BRSESqJVyE8pfAIp9yyvuCE/florida-01-m.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y2p6XhYXVkr_k6GnhlbOlUfNzLr2QrAAZPXzMSMUSoQelh436Inrh5m4GSaEJYtis0pG6byYFcSIeUF4KUvHEkq9e-k215FUs-qScBJr4EIaD0/florida-01a-Peru_UFO-m.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y2pA9u4RkI5FCTlalNC4PP7v2TDohGmB7ZCt87CYIvoX2AUBP1--B5Va82XzPziOv_Kt6TJLQ1vCAMdcDhFG9Gi2BFhpq5kt8D5woVQiV8h_JI/florida-02-m.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y2pT_UYWaVVUYUswe7Tq1YR0uuc0H2qymyO0f2x0qLqj0IZhwCrf_w2acVKn10WAIA1tfEtEyZqUSkdOnlvN14Xx8Zw5-a2TG4gRModckCdvz4/Florida-04a-Heli-1996.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y2pQEYI1gePoXfV7OaCDklcPxTSfpxVwdWdhn7AbEZZijfgwhVxIrU0c5ICMkU7QLx01KQn25KLjf3IHlJKzpNqtkFxrGbC0E20X Q1I9BoPtGo/Florida-04b-Heli-1996.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y2psILIB0gKIxx60lcKtWo4VO9r8AyZSf3dn2w0GtfhF5uKEFFYOWCgiKAAfLSPFoWEONM5RLV435w2e72a184b2Cb91OdVoEGql Fqi4yCG2VI/florida-06.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y2pqSDDe_buuI8gfJRpNON6IYzbyT_chbikrgUb52O_3O8uGXT1LcEYs33kulySmDRO4uk9w7d6EmK_A1WlNzqe2FV0aNx1Lllrt 6UChF8nVf8/florida-08.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y2pbTsZCwCqoZof4MLehjDNXtXVMFaWTERjrp6KZa7gjosfoNnADpGl4fW9ZxsJsChmKMO20U8LfEOioyo2VvUt-g5LjYSnNWOtpgTX3mav43w/florida-09a.jpg?psid=1

[Atlas]

That is correct Amzer Zo.

The material is from Mike Hawkins (www.ufovideo.net),

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/ufos/gulfbreeze/UfoMagazinesPicsPublishedXZ23.jpg

His testimony in the video below:

T-Y0PutVVSY

[Bill Ryan]

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Wow! Hats off to buares, indeed. I got to be impressed (and not for the first time by him, at all). :)

To repeat what I was told (first-hand, in Jan 2013, by a friend in California, when he visited Ecuador) -- the photo he gave me was (he said) taken personally by a friend of HIS in Peru near the Pan-American highway. He had a high-quality print, and I made the digital scan myself.

I've written to him just now to ask him what may have happened here...

[Bill Ryan]

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Well, we have a bit of a mystery here. My friend has forwarded the 2006 correspondence from HIS friend — copied below with names and addresses redacted — who had said he'd taken the photo. He added that his friend had sent the original photo to Art Bell, but it had not been returned... the print he'd retained (and which was later scanned) was a copy.

The only answer I can think of is that somehow my friend had the photos confused. (There WAS another one, which looked to be a different craft, was pretty clear but not quite so dramatic, and which I did not post on this thread. I'll continue to clarify if I can... :) )






From: _________
To: ____
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:53 AM
Subject: RE: ufo

Hi,

The pictures were taken in January, 1960 in Peru near the Pan American Highway in the foothills of the Andes Mountains. The UFO was about a quarter of a mile away and it appeared to be as big as a shipping container but in a round form. The people in the area said they saw them on a regular basis and the had a Spanish name for them that meant ghost planes. We were more curious than scared but again they would take off when we moved towards them. They appeared to be just watching us. With maps I could probably find the area again but in 46+ years l would imagine that the area would look different because of development.

I hope everything is going great,
_________





Original Message:
From: ____
To: _________
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 8:45 PM
Subject: ufo

Hi - I know it's been a while for you on the ufo photos, but since I have put one on my desktop as background my kids are asking questions, like:


Were you scared when taking these photos?
How far away were you from the ufo?
In other words, how big do you think it was?
Was it Peru or was it Columbia or where along the Pan American highway was it?
Was it true what I told them that the locals were used to seeing them?
Could you find your way back there again?

[swoods_blue]

Let me jump in as a "recovering journalist", LOL. This thread illustrates that memory works in very funny ways and that sources are ALWAYS suspect.

Bill's testimony re: Peru was shared very shortly after he was given the photo and told its alleged location. I also have a lot of experience reading Bill's writing, and know his passion for getting details right. So I'm fairly sure he accurately re-reported what he heard.

And while I don't doubt Bill's sincerity or veracity at all, I have no knowledge at all about his friend ("Friend 1"). I know Bill trusts him, but we have no independent basis for evaluating that trust. We don't know if "Friend 1" accurately remembers the information he was told about the location of the photo, or if he was actually told the photo was taken in Peru. Maybe Peru came up in the conversation with the alleged photographer ("Friend of Friend 1") and Friend 1 conflated data points. Maybe Friend of Friend 1 wasn't actually the photographer, but Friend 1 thought he was. Perhaps Friend of Friend 1 lied about the provenance of the photo to Friend 1... And so on.

All we actually have to work with are: 1) A scan created by Bill of a print of a photograph (not the original photograph); 2) A hearsay story regarding the provenance of the photo; and 3) buares' excellent sleuthing which seriously calls the hearsay story into question.

Let's say we can ascertain that this is an unretouched photo, and further let's say that we actually pin down who took the photo, when and where. We STILL don't know what it's a photo of. Is that the classic "pie plate" fake? Is it an actual aircraft? If it's an aircraft, is it a model, a human prototype, a secret project, or an actual extraterrestrial craft?

That's why you have to analyze the photo, that's why you need primary sources, and even then, it's just a photo.

Most importantly, this is why unimpeachable "proof" is extremely hard to come by.

[Atlas]

The pictures were taken in January, 1960

This was posted in 2012 on this page: http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/2012/02/report-ufo-sighting-39.html

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/ufos/gulfbreeze/profguyf.jpg

It would be interesting to have Guy F.'s take on this !

[Bill Ryan]

The only answer I can think of is that somehow my friend had the photos confused.



Or..... that the Gulf Breeze photos were indeed faked (or 'borrowed' from elsewhere). There have been a number of accusations of a hoax.

Here's a page showing the original photos that Ed Walters claimed to have taken:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050205095646/http://www.skiesare.demon.co.uk/gbp.htm

The ones shown in these posts...

#36 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54537-A-very-high-resolution-UFO-photo&p=864109&viewfull=1#post864109), #37 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54537-A-very-high-resolution-UFO-photo&p=864114&viewfull=1#post864114)

...are NOT among them.

Can you (buares, Amzer Zo) help me — slowly, carefully! — to understand this a little better? (In the meantime, my friend is going to ask Guy F — yes, this is indeed my friend's friend :) — for his personal, detailed story...)

[Atlas]

You can find some more photos in Mike Hawkins' collection here: https://myspace.com/xhawkins/mixes/classic-ufo-photos-442168

https://a4-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/90/f6ed6ba9fdc28bff1dd70f3819c7249c/full.jpg

https://a3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/108/fc2d06256ab2a510f86b284d0c93b52b/full.jpg

https://a1-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/12/326293dc6a3e12f19958cb79a1fe7cd4/full.jpg

https://a1-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/71/7959b25c530926dee6f6e43da8f3a881/full.jpg

[Atlas]

The original was sent to Art Bell

The photos were indeed submitted to Art Bell in 1999: https://web.archive.org/web/19991110020437/http://www.artbell.com/ufos3.html

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/ufos/gulfbreeze/hawkinsartbell.jpg

https://web.archive.org/web/20020909195812/http://artbell.com/img/roswellsau2.jpg

[Roisin]

My first impression was that this is fake. Most like due the the fact that there is a) no motion blur (which could be explained if UFO would have been hovering), b) there is something wrong with the focus area (too sharp to be behind the trees, too small to be closer than trees), c) image has artefacts around the ufo (which could be becouse of heavy JPEG compression ofc, would need to see the original or better scan to judge better). And if this image is pre-cgi era I would say that this is done by throwing this UFO in the air and snapping then the picture.

I've been a graphic artist since the 80's and I taught Photoshop at a community college. I was educated at The Cleveland Institute of Art and Parsons School of Design in Manhattan. Those are JPG compression artifacts but it doesn't necessarily mean that they are there due to "heavy" compression at all because they can show up in photos that have only been compressed "a little" in the process of changing file formats.

[Hervé]

So... what is it?

Fighter jet or helicopter?

https://a4-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/90/f6ed6ba9fdc28bff1dd70f3819c7249c/full.jpg

https://fwtinw.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y2pQEYI1gePoXfV7OaCDklcPxTSfpxVwdWdhn7AbEZZijfgwhVxIrU0c5ICMkU7QLx01KQn25KLjf3IHlJKzpNqtkFxrGbC0E20X Q1I9BoPtGo/Florida-04b-Heli-1996.jpg?psid=1


Anyway, that jet is on a collision course with Earth...

[Bill Ryan]

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Thanks, Everyone... :)

My friend is having lunch with Guy F next Tuesday, and has asked me for a list of questions to put to him. Not as an interrogation, at all — but as a straightforward request for clarification.

My suspicion now (but it's really quite confusing!) is that Guy F did indeed take original photos in Peru in 1960, but that some of them have (a) been 'borrowed' and doctored, and/or (b) innocently (or possibly mischievously) misrepresented as being related to other incidents/sightings.

[GoodETxSG]

Location, location, location...

I am sure if we cropped a piece of the photo (Leaving the UFO out) that shows a clear picture of the tree's, tree line, shadows on the ground, terrain & sky there are several type's of professionals that can help us. Maybe a photo sent to a Botanist or Horticulturalist the Tree "Family" or "Type" and "Indigenous Place of Origin" etc... (I don't know the Lingo) can be ID'ed...

Also, I remember that Intel Assets used to be able to tell from outdoor photo's and angle of shadows the relative Latitude and location (No matter the time of day) by Terrain and Vegetation. Maybe an "Ad-Hoc" combination of professionals can be pinged by any of us (With the same prepped photo) who have such contacts for their input?

Just a thought and a way to Vet this a little further...

[Atlas]

Anyway, that jet is on a collision course with Earth...

Thanks Amzer Zo, from "Mike Hawkins Exposed !" (https://web.archive.org/web/20030815113912/http://www.ufovideo.com/hoaxes/mikehawkins/hawk1.php), Tom King says that Mike Hawkins doctored some of his photos/videos for money/fame and that he claimed to have received the photos in his mailbox from anonymous source.



My suspicion now (but it's really quite confusing!) is that Guy F did indeed take original photos in Peru in 1960

I personally think that these photos are from Florida because these trees are Pinus echinata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_echinata) and are not on the list of trees commonly found in Peru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Trees_of_Peru).

[Hervé]

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I personally think that these photos are from Florida because these trees are Pinus echinata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_echinata) and are not on the list of trees commonly found in Peru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Trees_of_Peru).

Thanks buares... hat's off again!

I too was wondering about these trees growing up in Peru since they looked very consistent with the Gulf Breeze environment as seen on the video you posted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54537-A-very-high-resolution-UFO-photo&p=864114&viewfull=1#post864114) around the 07:00 minute mark.

[GoodETxSG]

It appears we have the first of a few questions for this source.

Also the Helicopter that is captured in a couple of the frames is one that has been used for some time (Since the 60's) and as a very powerful weapons platform and locations where they were "Based" during the claimed time frame shouldn't be hard to determine IMHO.

I do believe the Southern States including TX, LA and FL had them stationed during that time frame (I have no idea about around Peru unless it was a Navy version from a "Carrier" but range would be an issue and Jets would make more sense. This type of aircraft would be more of an "Expedient" Intercept choice, one that in the area and could be a quick show of force (Again, speculation & IMHO).

I would have to do more digging though and am having Internet issues... Maybe someone else can "Google Around" for that info?

https://fwtinw.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y2pT_UYWaVVUYUswe7Tq1YR0uuc0H2qymyO0f2x0qLqj0IZhwCrf_w2acVKn10WAIA1tfEtEyZqUSkdOnlvN14Xx8Zw5-a2TG4gRModckCdvz4/Florida-04a-Heli-1996.jpg?psid=1

Bell AH-1 Cobra / HueyCobra (Bell 209) Attack Helicopter
http://www.militaryfactory.com/imageviewer/ac/pic-detail.asp?aircraft_id=13&sCurrentPic=pic4

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Bell_AH-1_SuperCobra_In-_Flight.png

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oXQ9-xdmlmE/UmNAb1aCi0I/AAAAAAAAfHg/cA6beEXws-A/s1600/pakistan+army+aviation+corps+ah-1f+s+cobra+gunship+attack+missiles+wot+war+terror+fata+Baktar-Shikan+ATGM+King+Cobra+viper+AH-1W+AH-1Z+Super+Cobra+Attack+Helicopter+helfire+BGM-71+TOW+AGM-114+Hellfire+missile+(2).jpg

[Bill Ryan]

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I personally think that these photos are from Florida because these trees are Pinus echinata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_echinata) and are not on the list of trees commonly found in Peru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Trees_of_Peru).

Thanks buares... hat's off again!

I too was wondering about these trees growing up in Peru since they looked very consistent with the Gulf Breeze environment as seen on the video you posted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54537-A-very-high-resolution-UFO-photo&p=864114&viewfull=1#post864114) around the 07:00 minute mark.

Yes... something to remember, of course, is that Peru (like Bolivia and Ecuador!) has a very wide range of different climate zones, depending on height above sea level and proximity to some very high mountains. (I'm writing this now at 9,000 feet on a cool, cloudy day, and there are pine trees sprinkled around all over. Some of those are very likely imports from other countries, and are non-native species.)

Guy F told my friend that his sighting was "in the foothills of the Andes". That could be anything from 5,000 — 10,000 ft high (2,000 — 3,000 meters). This says nothing about the species of pine trees in the area, but is something to consider.

[Bill Ryan]

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I've relayed these summary questions to my friend to very kindly ask Guy F when he has lunch with him tomorrow:



How many photos of this craft did he take? (As can be seen from the above posts, there seem to be many different variations on the internet.)



Was there a jet or a helicopter nearby? (I'm assuming not, otherwise Guy would surely have mentioned it, but maybe he can clarify definitively on record.)



Can Guy identify from the various photos which one(s) he actually took (and are authentic), and which have been doctored by others?



Where exactly, as best Guy can recall, when, and under what circumstances, did he encounter this craft?



What rough altitude above sea level? That might be helpful to identify the species of pine tree. buares has identified the tree as a species that's native to Florida — Pinus echinata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_echinata) — but is not listed as commonly found in Peru.)

[Bill Ryan]

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Here's a slightly abbreviated version of the e-mail I've just received from my friend, having just had lunch with Guy F:





He wants me to send him the photos of the ones which were photoshopped. As I mentioned to you he is a very curious person and still going strong at 77.

He said he was in the foothills of the Andes below Lake Titicaca and the UFO was on his left as he was driving south. It was hovering and he stopped the car and was able to take those photos. He said something about hearing that the craft were coming down from Lake Titicaca. The local people were used to them.

He said he probably has the negatives somewhere but has no idea where. He does not remember how many photos he sent to Art Bell but apparently Bell released them somewhere saying they were from elsewhere when Guy specifically told him they were from Peru.

I’ll let you know what he says after seeing the altered ones.

Notes:


Lake Titicaca (which is at over 12,000 ft) is in Bolivia, but borders Peru's south-east corner.(See the map below)
If Guy F is 77 now, he'd have been 22 or 23 in January 1960.


http://projectavalon.net/Peru_map_sm.jpg

[Bob]

Link to the photo? http://projectavalon.net/Peru_map_sm.jpg

[GoodETxSG]

Thank you for the follow through Bill!

So it is not the more precise info I was hoping for on the relative location.

"In the foothills of the Andes below Lake Titicaca and the UFO was on his left (East) as he was driving South." I believe the altitude range of 5,000 to 10,000 feet were mentioned. This should give us some data to start playing around with Google Earth to compare terrain and vegitation for matches in semi random grids. If we located a large grove or forest of tree's of this type I would be colored impressed.

All of my PC's/Server's/VM Lab's are down since my injuries (They say "Plumber's have the leakiest Pipe's" and being a Cloud Admin I fit that description)... I wish I had the resources to scan around and look myself.

With all of the activity going on in the area of that lake, close by ancient ruins and other places in the region I am not all shocked that locals are used to seeing objects similar to this.

This has been an interesting discussion none the least,

[seehas]

Ive showed the picture to my girlfriend she is peruian and she said its in peru, but otherwise ive been to the lake titicaca just weeks ago and for me it looked totaly different. Doesnt help much...

The Model of the ufo doesnt seem to be part of the gulf breeze phenomenon either, the objects from there looked quite different and could belong to another interest group.

[Hervé]

Foothills...

With my idea of foothills...


http://i.space.com/images/i/000/030/706/i02/peru-andes-mountains-kompsat-2-1600.jpg?1373464398
The foothills of the Andes Mountains near the southern coast of Peru were captured by the Kompsat-2 satellite


http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/samerica/lgcolor/pecolor.gif


... driving South and the saucer hovering to the left... them thar hills should be visible... not there... so, the encounter location was probably even below the foothills (the western ones, the eastern foothills being Amazonian rain forest).

That would also indicate the original, scanned by Bill, to be a mirrored version of the actual site (position of saucer relative to tree shadows) which is easy to do when mistakenly flipping a negative the wrong side.




https://fwtinw.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y2prKquU-Rk03uKRikcBQOiLZk6duf5bbJ3l6h5FKS4nrPKfzgPd_nrtMLFAPxAtpv-T962IfYdn0VxGBN3efL7BRSESqJVyE8pfAIp9yyvuCE/florida-01-m.jpg?psid=1
M. Hawkins posted photo; shows what looks like sandy soil with grooved-in tracks. Type of grass could be another clue?


One question would be: what kind of camera and film did Guy F. use back then?

Starter on Peru's vegetation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_zones_of_Peru):


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Peru_veg_1970.jpg

[DNA]

Great picture Bill, to me it looks a lot like the craft Billy Meyer photographed, same design. You would think design principles would be universal according to function.

I agree, it looks like the Billy Meier craft.

[Bill Ryan]

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[wxmm]

Mike Hawkins is a scammer. https://www.ufovideo.com/hoaxes/mikehawkins/hawk7.php