Albuquerque Shooting 1-20-2013

[SilentFeathers]

Just in;


Albuquerque Shooting: Teenager Kills 5 People, Including 3 Children

Investigators also were seeking to determine who owned several guns that were found at the home, one of which was a semi-automatic military-style rifle.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/20/albuquerque-shooting-2013-new-mexico-teenager_n_2516424.html


The police statement said a "male juvenile" is in custody, charged with two counts of murder and three counts of "child abuse resulting in death."
https://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iGHtOjUimJ4r27IRWnRXDtKK2k9Q?docId=CNG.ff67847b4641455470e3d885ef5416eb.01

Huh? isn't child abuse resulting in death also murder?????

ADDED: As far as I know, This would be the first mass shooting in 2013 in which the shooter used an assault rifle. (if he actually even had an assault rifle and actual used it)

Several articles are now claiming the shooter is a 15 year old.....notice the shooters are getting younger????

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

that is horrific.
so many gun and train related deaths lately.
drownings too. and fires.

almost like the old days :(

[SilentFeathers]

I'm starting to find it hard to believe that darn near every American has access to a military style assualt rifle???? They seem to be available spontaneously when ever someone wants to commit a shooting!

I've personally known several gun lovers, hunters, collectors etc throughout my life and NOT ONE of them owned a military assaut rifle.....(most were hunters/woodsman)

Makes me a bit suspicious to say the least.....

[Wookie]

I'm starting to find it hard to believe that darn near every American has access to a military style assualt rifle???? They seem to be available spontaneously when ever someone wants to commit a shooting!
The hazards of being able to manifest your own reality. Poof out of nowhere an AR 15

[Arrowwind]

this is probably just more bull**** false flag stuff. They want to keep Arizona in line as there are quite a few sheriffs down there ready to rebel.

Jack up the energy, incite the newsmedia propaganda.

But also in Arizona is where William Holden released thousands of assault rifles to Mexico. Who knows where they all went. He aught to be hung, mayhem and death he has brought upon the citizens of Mexico through the hands of drug lords and gangs.. a planned calculation of murder and social decay... there is no redemption for what he was found to be guilty of... and to date has suffered no consequences for.

Somebody busted for shoplifting will suffer more legal consequences than he has.




but hey, we all know a little bown boy and girl is not worth the same as a white girl or boy or a black ones either if its American,, and of course Black boys are worth less than White boys in America. the casting system is getting more and more complicated... with Iraqi boys and girls, regardless or race or color or religion are worth the least,, throw Afganistan in there too.

[SilentFeathers]

Once again they are making this all about the "assaut" rifle.....and they don't even know yet if that was actually the weapon used in the shooting!

They better call Dr. Carver in on this one too to make it so!!!!!!!!!

[kaon]

In the article it states:
"Investigators also were seeking to determine who owned several guns that were found at the home, one of which was a semi-automatic military-style rifle".

Why don't we see:
"Investigators also were seeking to determine if the shooter was on psychotropic medications"

Notice how the focus is always on the guns and not on the root cause of these shootings? I am not saying that the boy was on medications, but I would be surprised if he wasn't. I am sure this is already being aired hourly by the MSM.

Regardless, the loss of life is tragic no matter how you slice it. It's just sad.

[Rocky_Shorz]

many of the shootings we are seeing on the news 24/7 right now would not have been shown before it became their agenda...

an assault rifle was found in the house, it didn't say he used it...

careful not to feed into their manipulation...

[SilentFeathers]

an assault rifle was found in the house, it didn't say he used it...

careful not to feed into their manipulation...

Did you read my post?

This is what I wrote if you didn't, which it seems you didn't....

In post #6


Once again they are making this all about the "assaut" rifle.....and they don't even know yet if that was actually the weapon used in the shooting!

[Rocky_Shorz]

Sorry, I wasn't talking to you, just the hundreds of readers who are going to run tell everyone they know another attack just happened with an assault rifle...

your post wasn't there when I first started typing, but your first post states a little confusing...

"ADDED: As far as I know, This would be the first mass shooting in 2013 in which the shooter used an assault rifle."

[Arrowwind]

many of the shootings we are seeing on the news 24/7 right now would not have been shown before it became their agenda...

an assault rifle was found in the house, it didn't say he used it...

careful not to feed into their manipulation...

Absolutly, In Dallas Texas when I lived there they had over 300 murders a year, many done with guns. They were never reported on the news and they never reported that elderly women who lived alone were targets of murder and rape in the area and we didnt know until our babysitter walked over to say hello to her neighbor and found her dead on the floor.

They have their ways of repressing and manipulating everything.

[SilentFeathers]

Sorry, I wasn't talking to you, just the hundreds of readers who are going to run tell everyone they know another attack just happened with an assault rifle...

your post wasn't there when I first started typing, but your first post states a little confusing...

"ADDED: As far as I know, This would be the first mass shooting in 2013 in which the shooter used an assault rifle."

Thanks, I edited it to make it less confusing.

[SilentFeathers]

They're gonna brainwash people in to believing it was the assualt rifle used regardless, this in the first sentence in a New York Times article that just came out.

A gun-toting teen allegedly used multiple weapons, including a military-type assault rifle, to kill a man, woman and three children inside a New Mexico home, authorities said Sunday.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/teen-guns-5-people-n-m-home-police-article-1.1243564

[SilentFeathers]

What is really disturbing is they are saying the 3 children that died were abused to death rather than murdered???? What the hell?????? This is the first "bizarre" thing I noticed about this shooting.

This is the sentenced being used over and over again in several articles;


He was charged with two counts of murder and three counts of child abuse resulting in death.

I'm just speculating that the 2 murders are the adults and the other 3 counts are for the children..........strange for sure

[Rocky_Shorz]

well now for another point to be made...

the family that was killed had an assault rifle in the home for protection?


is this story to show everyone even if you have an assault rifle, they aren't going to make you or your family any safer...


is this the second killing where the gun owners' own guns were used against them?


The victims' identities haven't been released, and the boy's motive and connection to the five victims weren't immediately known. Williamson said investigators were trying to determine if the victims were related.

"We are trying to identify the victims," Williamson said.

Each victim suffered more than one gunshot wound.

Investigators also were seeking to determine who owned several guns that were found at the home, one of which was a semi-automatic military-style rifle.

Authorities weren't releasing the name or age of the teenager accused in the attack or details of any conversation that he had with investigators.

link (http://www.sacbee.com/2013/01/20/5127505/officials-nm-teen-gunman-kills.html#storylink=cpy)

[Rocky_Shorz]

how many heard of these shootings in Albuquerque?


BREAKING: Suspect Arrested in Fatal South Valley Shooting 05/25/2012
BREAKING: South Valley Shooting Reported 10/08/2012
Two Shot, One Dead in South Valley 10/08/2012
Fatal Shooting Locks Down South Valley Schools 05/24/2012
Sheriff’s Office Releases Few New Details About South Valley Homicide 10/12/2012

link (http://www.abqjournal.com/main/2013/01/20/abqnewsseeker/breaking-five-dead-in-south-valley-shooting.html)

[Rocky_Shorz]

I'm not desensitized, but if we are going to ban things that kill people, next we need to ban Assault Vehicles...


UPDATED: Two Children Conscious and Breathing after Being Hit by Car... link (http://www.abqjournal.com/main/2013/01/19/abqnewsseeker/two-children-conscious-and-breathing-after-being-hit-by-car.html?utm_source=upprev)


If you are going to ban weapons from the mentally insane, you might want to consider a 3 ton weapon of Mass Destruction the same...

"in 2012, There were more than 5.5 million car accidents in the United States. Nearly 31,000 were fatal, and more than 2 million people were injured."

a majority happened during evening rush hour... 4-5PM

so a majority were work related...

maybe we should ban work to save lives...

ads like these are still everywhere...

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBygFdYHAjIyVgN6VWz5_YFdkdqmErqRxDzWbFO5IsbpnnN5GrtA

the AR-15...

http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/ar-15-guy-4.jpg

these guns were made with only one purpose, to kill enemies in war...

[Rocky_Shorz]

2:04 p.m. – Neighbors identified the two adults and three children killed Saturday night as the Griego family, who they described as active in the church as well as the South Valley neighborhood.

The suspect’s father, whom neighbors identified as Greg Griego, is a church pastor. When a nearby house burned down recently, neighbors said Griego was helpful in comforting community residents.

Griego and his wife, Sarah, have 10 kids, according to the pastor’s biography on the Calvary Church website, which has been removed. The other children’s ages were not given in the biography.

The suspect, Nehemiah Griego, 15, was not well known among those living within a block or so of the family’s home on Long Lane in the South Valley.

However, neighbor Peter Gomez said he saw the boy walk with siblings and his parents through the neighborhood regularly, and he “wore nothing but camouflage stuff”... link (http://www.abqjournal.com/main/2013/01/20/abqnewsseeker/breaking-five-dead-in-south-valley-shooting.html)

the killer was a Pastors' son?

same last name as the family killed...

[Earth Angel]

that must be a Breast Cancer Awareness gun!!!

[SilentFeathers]

2:04 p.m. – Neighbors identified the two adults and three children killed Saturday night as the Griego family, who they described as active in the church as well as the South Valley neighborhood.

The suspect’s father, whom neighbors identified as Greg Griego, is a church pastor. When a nearby house burned down recently, neighbors said Griego was helpful in comforting community residents.

Griego and his wife, Sarah, have 10 kids, according to the pastor’s biography on the Calvary Church website, which has been removed. The other children’s ages were not given in the biography.

The suspect, Nehemiah Griego, 15, was not well known among those living within a block or so of the family’s home on Long Lane in the South Valley.

However, neighbor Peter Gomez said he saw the boy walk with siblings and his parents through the neighborhood regularly, and he “wore nothing but camouflage stuff”... link (http://www.abqjournal.com/main/2013/01/20/abqnewsseeker/breaking-five-dead-in-south-valley-shooting.html)

the killer was a Pastors' son?

same last name as the family killed...

Yeap, every one that wears camo will be considered potentially deranged "mentally" unstable psychopathic assault rifle loving killers now.

[Rocky_Shorz]

why turn on his own family?

were they trying to get him help?

at this point I'm wondering if everyone that watches Doomsday Preppers are being tracked electronically...

[Arrowwind]

They're gonna brainwash people in to believing it was the assualt rifle used regardless, this in the first sentence in a New York Times article that just came out.

A gun-toting teen allegedly used multiple weapons, including a military-type assault rifle, to kill a man, woman and three children inside a New Mexico home, authorities said Sunday.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/teen-guns-5-people-n-m-home-police-article-1.1243564


Oh in a New Mexico home! For some reason I got Arizona in my head.
New Mexico is where 30 sheriffs out of 33 counties stood up this week and said they would not enforce repressive gun laws.... quite a statement eh? and not matched anywhere else yet.
so maybe thats why this happened in New Mexico. they are reacting fast to the resistence and trying to motivate the locals against them!

Im not saying that this is a false flag event but tptb will use it to their ends, and where better right now than in New Mexico

[bogeyman]

How many people are killed using other weapons? It's the intent of people and the mind set. Its a sickness that some seem to have that causes people to commit murder, and how you solve this sickness.....well that's the $64000 question isn't it?

Guns are just a tool like everything else. But they are designed to kill, or do they have another function?

[Arrowwind]

Guns are just a tool like everything else. But they are designed to kill, or do they have another function?

you can inverse this and say they are designed to protect so that one might live.

[Operator]

Guns are just a tool like everything else. But they are designed to kill, or do they have another function?

The AR-15 also known as M16 is used daily by a lot of American guys overseas killing many civilians including
women and children (Although they are working very hard to get this done by drones nowadays).

Do we simply forget those victims? I think it should be very clear that assault (as in assault rifle) means that
the bearer is the aggressor ... If assault rifles are banned then ban them also overseas and leave those
people alone ... It will save lives, money, trauma and you don't train your own population how to use those
guns.

[shadowstalker]

Pretty soon owning a gun while raising children will be considered an act of abuse (endangerment of a minor)
Or they will accuse parents of training a potential killer...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Guns are just a tool like everything else. But they are designed to kill, or do they have another function?

you can inverse this and say they are designed to protect so that one might live.

I have a Scoped 30-6 accurate at half a mile, I only need one shot...

not a clip with 15+ bullets for protection...

do you think an assault rifle helps in a police standoff?

they have sniper rifles, it just guarantees death, of the gun owner...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Pretty soon owning a gun while raising children will be considered an act of abuse (endangerment of a minor)
Or they will accuse parents of training a potential killer...

not guns, but possibly Dooms Day Preppers...

kids that grow up with guns respect them...

I was shooting at 9

the problem is the mental health system.

if a kid tells his friends he's thinking about getting a gun and going on a rampage, they are afraid of trying to get them help.

help means tossing them in Jail or a Juvi hall, locking the cage and never letting them escape

what is needed is healing centers.

there is 1/100th as many beds per populace now available for mental patients compared to the 1950's

mental health is too expensive, they'd rather let them sleep under bridges and talk to dumpsters without help...

Welcome to the modern world...

[Operator]

I have a Scoped 30-6 accurate at half a mile, I only need one shot...


If you want accuracy you might want to look into this one

http://www.kapoleims.k12.hi.us/campuslife/teams/03-04/g71/WebClub/Jeremy/web3/barrett.jpg

Barrett M82 ... that one actually kills over one mile

But it really has no application for us. You need an awful lot of training and it is only useful if you need
to take out one hostage-taker at the time. In case there are more the shots of multiple snipers has to
come synchronized as one shot. The first hit will alarm the rest.



not a clip with 15+ bullets for protection...
do you think an assault rifle helps in a police standoff?


I guess that avoiding a standoff is the best option but when short range/close combat is unavoidable
Then this one would be my number one choice

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Wep-02.jpg/300px-Wep-02.jpg

Heckler & Koch MP5

But I no longer believe in weapons myself. I prefer to vanish undetected.
I can understand the usefulness of the 2nd amendment in the USA. But it should not have come this far.

[SilentFeathers]

Pretty soon owning a gun while raising children will be considered an act of abuse (endangerment of a minor)
Or they will accuse parents of training a potential killer...

They are calling the 3 children that died being "abused to death" rather than murdered right now.....Hmmm????

[ghostrider]

isn't every gun an assault weapon ???

[Operator]

isn't every gun an assault weapon ???

No, certain weapons do have specific characteristics that will support an assault.
Things like e.g. flashbangs are used for disorientation of the raided party. They are not meant as
a weapon to kill or injure anyone (Especially useful for getting hostages out, can't kill everyone).
Other type of weapons are for personal defense (like small caliber handguns).

The Barrett M82 is e.g. far too heavy to be used in an assault. It's used for support only.
It is specifically for long range sniper fire.

And this classic one

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZCMCXnHVGis/UFq4YWKTSPI/AAAAAAAAMak/l4wuTRQNAek/s1600/nryliq65.jpg

M2 .50 cal. Machine Gun

Not to be used as an assault weapon (not really portable). Rather to be used to defend fixed positions. It can even
stop armored vehicles. But not accurate at all. Difficult to handle, you aim by following the tracer bullets.

[Arrowwind]

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Two most evil schmucks on the face of the earth


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3,000 of them to "protect" American Citizens




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Confiscate their guns.... know your history!
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.



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I can think of about 6 million people who probably wish they had semi-automatic weapons to protect themselves.
Most of them had Jewish names. All were lead like sheep to their slaughter with barely raising an arm in the
defense of their families, their neighbors, themselves. If you all dont believe that we are in a time of jeopardy then there no hope for you. If you all want to lay down and surrender your constitution then you will walk into a society, create a society in which you will become a full bonefide slave.. In fact. You already a slave. The only reason I can think of to have a gun besides hunting is to stop a home invader and to stop a facist pig from coming to take me or my neighbor away.

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[Rocky_Shorz]

I can understand the usefulness of the 2nd amendment in the USA. But it should not have come this far...

next they are going to tell me I can't use hand grenades for fishing...

or stinger missiles for duck hunting, what's this country coming to?


I better order a few from eBay before it's too late while they still have plenty in stock.

FIM-92 Guided Stinger Missile Case Rocket Launcher LAW AT4 M72 M136 (http://compare.ebay.com/like/140820828356?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar) $350

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/FIM-92-Guided-Stinger-Missile-Case-Rocket-Launcher-LAW-AT4-M72-M136-/00/s/NjAwWDgwMA==/$(KGrHqR,!hIE9rZ8Z5qMBPjG,WoPw!~~60_3.JPG

[Rocky_Shorz]

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I guess you still haven't figured it out...

everything you say needs to get fixed, has been created by the Federal Reserve to make you forget what really needs to change.

as long as big banks run the world none of it matters...

they write the rules and there isn't a darn thing you can do about it...

stop the hate, you've been spun...

[AwakeInADream]

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http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/3000/Barbie-3382.jpg
(not real BTW)

[Operator]

Pretty soon owning a gun while raising children will be considered an act of abuse (endangerment of a minor)
Or they will accuse parents of training a potential killer...

Well, especially in countries with military draft they literally force you to gain knowledge on weaponry.
Maybe we should stop that first. I always wondered why they 'trusted' just everyone from the
population with a weapon. I have met some who were literally dangerous and could not be trusted.
Either they were shooting life rounds during their watch or others vanished with their full automatic
guns during maneuvers.

And what to think about gaining knowledge about weapon room situations. If one of your mates
is on watch and you make a deal you know exactly how to get to the weapons. And that's not
farfetched because I know for sure that it happened once. Tens or hundreds of UZI's were stolen.

Or even when countries have a professional army people are lured in by free or low cost scholarships
and/or 'work' if unemployment rates are high.

And while I am at it ... I don't understand the habit in the USA of thanking veterans for their 'service'.
What service? With the US invading country after country, killing foreign people with drones, exporting
lots of weaponry I hardly call that 'service'. Are people in the USA feeling that threatened that they
think they are defended by this 'service'? I think it's working in the wrong way. The USA is being set up
to become target of terrorists because of their interference in other countries. Sorry to say, but that's
just a logical conclusion.

I think that we are responsible. We are the ones getting into this 'service' and we are manning the killing
machines and execute their orders. If we want to stop all wars then stop providing this 'service' ...
Service to whom? To them !!

[Arrowwind]

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I guess you still haven't figured it out...

everything you say needs to get fixed, has been created by the Federal Reserve to make you forget what really needs to change.

as long as big banks run the world none of it matters...

they write the rules and there isn't a darn thing you can do about it...

stop the hate, you've been spun...

What people haven't figured out is that without our constitution you will be in such a prison state that you wont even be able to talk about the banks.

The sole purpose that the 2nd amendment was put into the constitution was to maintain the freedom and ability to protect oneself, and to protect individual states from tyranny from the government and to take them down if you can...not a god dam thing to do with duck hunting, and to insinuate that it does reflects pure ignorance of our constitution and the intent of the framers of the bill of rights, and such dialogue it to confound and confuse even further the already ignorant.

The 1st amendment was put there to give us the ability to freely talk to ourselves, our neighbors and to our governmental representatives, not a dam thing to do with pornorgraphy. And when they take that down websites like this will become a distant memeory.

The 10th amendment was put there to maintain states rights so that states would not become prisoners of the federal government.


They are after it all. Your individual rights and states rights.


But go ahead. Dont fight for it.
Just ignore it.
Pretend that it has absolutley nothing to do with your freedom.
Just go back to sleep.
One's life will be over before one know it anyway
and nothing will have been done or contributed to help maintain freedom.

One can pick and choose if you want to what your cause will be but without it all none of it will stand.

[Sidney]

I don't believe anything I see in mainstream news anymore, there are always lies weaved into the fabric of the story. If anyone really did die here, my heart goes out to the family.

[SilentFeathers]

I don't believe anything I see in mainstream news anymore

Using "The Law of Opposites" while watching the MSM makes it much more informative.....

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I can understand the usefulness of the 2nd amendment in the USA. But it should not have come this far...

next they are going to tell me I can't use hand grenades for fishing...

or stinger missiles for duck hunting, what's this country coming to?


I better order a few from eBay before it's too late while they still have plenty in stock.

FIM-92 Guided Stinger Missile Case Rocket Launcher LAW AT4 M72 M136 (http://compare.ebay.com/like/140820828356?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar) $350

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/FIM-92-Guided-Stinger-Missile-Case-Rocket-Launcher-LAW-AT4-M72-M136-/00/s/NjAwWDgwMA==/$(KGrHqR,!hIE9rZ8Z5qMBPjG,WoPw!~~60_3.JPG

WTF is that thing, a didgereeboom or a cleverly disguised bong ( i have been in the military and clever so it has to be a bong).

Handgrenades ARE for fishing, not for cooking/killing and he is a rocket scientist so he knows best.

2zFqArNQlrA

[SilentFeathers]

They are saying out of all the guns found that the kid used the assault rifle of course....


Nehemiah Griego, 15, used the assault rifle to kill his father, Greg Griego, 51, a pastor at Calvary Church in Albuquerque, and mother, Sara Griego, age 40, as well as the three younger siblings, ages 9, 5, and 2, said officials in Bernalillo County, N.M.

This is also mentioned, not that it may necessarily mean anything suspicious:


Greg Griego's brother, Eric, a former city councilor in Albuquerque and state legislator, released a statement Saturday about the murder.

Source:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/mexico-teen-charged-murder-pastor-father-family/story?id=18273128

ADDED: The home likes like a compound to me...

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[SilentFeathers]

Hmmm, movie theaters, malls, and schools oh my!..........now Walmarts???????????? Remember the Obama Admin right after the Sandy Hook shooting meeting with and pleading with Walmart executives to curb the sale of assault or all weapons????????


ALBUQUERQUE — A 15-year-old boy charged with killing his parents and three siblings allegedly intended to add to the slaughter by driving to the nearest Walmart and dying in a shootout with police after another round of killings, the Albuquerque Journal reports.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/21/new-mexico-shooting-victims/1850677/

From the article above:


KRQE-TV also reported that Griego told deputies that he had been having homicidal and suicidal thoughts along with anger problems and had been upset with his mother.

Sound familiar????????????? I wonder what kind of psyche drugs/chemicals this kid was on?

[SilentFeathers]

Watch how the MSM spins this and takes the focus off of the family that actually died and puts the focus on all the people that "could of" died "from the assault rifle" at the near by Walmart!

Almost every news article is starting to put this as the first paragraph now (or near the top of every article).....now that they got everyone knowing about the assault rifle!


A 15-year-old boy charged with killing his parents and three siblings allegedly intended to add to the slaughter by driving to the nearest Walmart and dying in a shootout with police after another round of killings, the Albuquerque Journal reports.
http://www.clarionledger.com/viewart/20130121/NEWS03/130121012/Albuquerque-shooting-Teen-gunman-identified-son-

[SilentFeathers]

Check this out!


Police say he killed his parents, Greg and Sara Griego, and three of their children with an assault rifle. The report says Griego, who waived having an attorney present, described how he first killed his mother, then the siblings, ages 2, 5 and 9, before lying in wait for his father in the wee hours.

At some point, he said he took a picture of his dead mother and emailed it to his girlfriend, who either called 911 or told a family member who did. When police arrived, they found an AR-15 assault rifle and a .22 caliber rifle with a scope in a vehicle at the home. The youth told police the guns came from his parents' closet.

Pretty strange the assault rifles are always found in vehicles.....

But they are saying now he was planning on going to Wally World to do more damage....hmmm

Source:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/21/albuquerque-teen-suspected-gunning-down-family-described-as-loner/

[Rocky_Shorz]

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I guess you still haven't figured it out...

everything you say needs to get fixed, has been created by the Federal Reserve to make you forget what really needs to change.

as long as big banks run the world none of it matters...

they write the rules and there isn't a darn thing you can do about it...

stop the hate, you've been spun...

What people haven't figured out is that without our constitution you will be in such a prison state that you wont even be able to talk about the banks.

The sole purpose that the 2nd amendment was put into the constitution was to maintain the freedom and ability to protect oneself, and to protect individual states from tyranny from the government and to take them down if you can...not a god dam thing to do with duck hunting, and to insinuate that it does reflects pure ignorance of our constitution and the intent of the framers of the bill of rights, and such dialogue it to confound and confuse even further the already ignorant.

The 1st amendment was put there to give us the ability to freely talk to ourselves, our neighbors and to our governmental representatives, not a dam thing to do with pornorgraphy. And when they take that down websites like this will become a distant memeory.

The 10th amendment was put there to maintain states rights so that states would not become prisoners of the federal government.


They are after it all. Your individual rights and states rights.


But go ahead. Dont fight for it.
Just ignore it.
Pretend that it has absolutley nothing to do with your freedom.
Just go back to sleep.
One's life will be over before one know it anyway
and nothing will have been done or contributed to help maintain freedom.

One can pick and choose if you want to what your cause will be but without it all none of it will stand.

the constitution was written when it took 15 seconds to reload a Musket and had a 15% accuracy

How can you say there is no difference from that and a Gun that can blast 15 shots in several seconds...

you can have a gun to protect yourself, but it's time to shut down the flow of these types of guns to the insane...

as you said the second amendment was to protect yourself and your kids.

he world is open to suggestions, what is your answer to the slaughter of innocents?

[Rocky_Shorz]

Check this out!


Police say he killed his parents, Greg and Sara Griego, and three of their children with an assault rifle. The report says Griego, who waived having an attorney present, described how he first killed his mother, then the siblings, ages 2, 5 and 9, before lying in wait for his father in the wee hours.

At some point, he said he took a picture of his dead mother and emailed it to his girlfriend, who either called 911 or told a family member who did. When police arrived, they found an AR-15 assault rifle and a .22 caliber rifle with a scope in a vehicle at the home. The youth told police the guns came from his parents' closet.

Pretty strange the assault rifles are always found in vehicles.....

But they are saying now he was planning on going to Wally World to do more damage....hmmm

Source:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/21/albuquerque-teen-suspected-gunning-down-family-described-as-loner/

even stranger, he didn't live in the home, the neighbors saw him walk through the neighborhood with his Dad the Pastor with the same name. I was thinking father's brother's family...

[SilentFeathers]

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I guess you still haven't figured it out...

everything you say needs to get fixed, has been created by the Federal Reserve to make you forget what really needs to change.

as long as big banks run the world none of it matters...

they write the rules and there isn't a darn thing you can do about it...

stop the hate, you've been spun...

What people haven't figured out is that without our constitution you will be in such a prison state that you wont even be able to talk about the banks.

The sole purpose that the 2nd amendment was put into the constitution was to maintain the freedom and ability to protect oneself, and to protect individual states from tyranny from the government and to take them down if you can...not a god dam thing to do with duck hunting, and to insinuate that it does reflects pure ignorance of our constitution and the intent of the framers of the bill of rights, and such dialogue it to confound and confuse even further the already ignorant.

The 1st amendment was put there to give us the ability to freely talk to ourselves, our neighbors and to our governmental representatives, not a dam thing to do with pornorgraphy. And when they take that down websites like this will become a distant memeory.

The 10th amendment was put there to maintain states rights so that states would not become prisoners of the federal government.


They are after it all. Your individual rights and states rights.


But go ahead. Dont fight for it.
Just ignore it.
Pretend that it has absolutley nothing to do with your freedom.
Just go back to sleep.
One's life will be over before one know it anyway
and nothing will have been done or contributed to help maintain freedom.

One can pick and choose if you want to what your cause will be but without it all none of it will stand.

the constitution was written when it took 15 seconds to reload a Musket and had a 15% accuracy

How can you say there is no difference from that and a Gun that can blast 15 shots in several seconds...

you can have a gun to protect yourself, but it's time to shut down the flow of these types of guns to the insane...

as you said the second amendment was to protect yourself and your kids.

he world is open to suggestions, what is your answer to the slaughter of innocents?

The 2nd amendment is the only amendment that really states a purpose;

AMENDMENT II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Does this say cannons are omitted?

Many states had militia's with cannon....(back then) cannon is a bit more drastic than an AR15

Doesn't say much about magazines capacity or much about protecting oneself from a thief either......

It is very clear to me why it was written....

[Rocky_Shorz]

Watch how the MSM spins this and takes the focus off of the family that actually died and puts the focus on all the people that "could of" died "from the assault rifle" at the near by Walmart!

Almost every news article is starting to put this as the first paragraph now (or near the top of every article).....now that they got everyone knowing about the assault rifle!


A 15-year-old boy charged with killing his parents and three siblings allegedly intended to add to the slaughter by driving to the nearest Walmart and dying in a shootout with police after another round of killings, the Albuquerque Journal reports.
http://www.clarionledger.com/viewart/20130121/NEWS03/130121012/Albuquerque-shooting-Teen-gunman-identified-son-


sounds like they did finally get the story straight, I was wondering why a Pastor had an assault rifle...


The sprawling home is in the 2800 block of Long Lane, a dirt road in the South Valley just off Old Coors Road. The couple had a total of 10 children, but it appeared only the three youngest and the 15-year-old were at home at the time of the shootings.

The sheriff’s office is releasing few details, including when or where Nehemiah Griego was arrested. It did not release the names or ages of the victims, nor would it release a criminal complaint detailing the incident.

Neighbors and others identified the couple as Greg Griego, a gang member turned pastor, who served at Calvary Chapel, as well as at the Metropolitan Detention Center, and Sarah Griego, a stay-at-home mom who home schooled the children.

Nehemiah Griego was not well-known among those living within a block or so of the family’s home.

However, neighbor Peter Gomez said he saw the boy walk with siblings and his parents through the neighborhood regularly, and he “wore nothing but camouflage stuff.”

Greg Griego had converted his backyard barn into a halfway house for released prisoners, according to neighbors. He also held services at the county jail’s “God Pod,” where he gave inmates spiritual advice.

Griego is a former gang member, according to an article posted on the Prison Fellowship website. The organization advocates religious services for inmates.

Griego reportedly served in Desert Storm, and Nehemiah told neighbors he wanted to be a soldier. He always wore army clothing and camouflage, but he wasn’t allowed to play violent video games, according to one neighbor, since the boy’s parents didn’t allow anything “dirty or violent” and limited TV watching... link (http://www.abqjournal.com/main/2013/01/20/abqnewsseeker/breaking-five-dead-in-south-valley-shooting.html)

[Rocky_Shorz]

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I guess you still haven't figured it out...

everything you say needs to get fixed, has been created by the Federal Reserve to make you forget what really needs to change.

as long as big banks run the world none of it matters...

they write the rules and there isn't a darn thing you can do about it...

stop the hate, you've been spun...

What people haven't figured out is that without our constitution you will be in such a prison state that you wont even be able to talk about the banks.

The sole purpose that the 2nd amendment was put into the constitution was to maintain the freedom and ability to protect oneself, and to protect individual states from tyranny from the government and to take them down if you can...not a god dam thing to do with duck hunting, and to insinuate that it does reflects pure ignorance of our constitution and the intent of the framers of the bill of rights, and such dialogue it to confound and confuse even further the already ignorant.

The 1st amendment was put there to give us the ability to freely talk to ourselves, our neighbors and to our governmental representatives, not a dam thing to do with pornorgraphy. And when they take that down websites like this will become a distant memeory.

The 10th amendment was put there to maintain states rights so that states would not become prisoners of the federal government.


They are after it all. Your individual rights and states rights.


But go ahead. Dont fight for it.
Just ignore it.
Pretend that it has absolutley nothing to do with your freedom.
Just go back to sleep.
One's life will be over before one know it anyway
and nothing will have been done or contributed to help maintain freedom.

One can pick and choose if you want to what your cause will be but without it all none of it will stand.

the constitution was written when it took 15 seconds to reload a Musket and had a 15% accuracy

How can you say there is no difference from that and a Gun that can blast 15 shots in several seconds...

you can have a gun to protect yourself, but it's time to shut down the flow of these types of guns to the insane...

as you said the second amendment was to protect yourself and your kids.

he world is open to suggestions, what is your answer to the slaughter of innocents?

The 2nd amendment is the only amendment that really states a purpose;

AMENDMENT II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Does this say cannons are omitted?

Many states had militia's with cannon....(back then) cannon is a bit more drastic than an AR15

Doesn't say much about magazines capacity or much about protecting oneself from a thief either......

It is very clear to me why it was written....

every city I've ever lived in had Armories, where weapons were stored until a time of need.

the question isn't whether Americans have the right to defend themselves, the question is how to keep people safe when lunatics are allowed to get guns to go on rampages.

a Desert Storm Veteran had an assault rifle for protection...

it was used on him...

the mom at Sandy Hook was a trained gun user, armed to the teeth for protection...

her guns were used on her...

what is the answer?

[SilentFeathers]

This is a bit more complex than a quick fix remedy and has many decades in the making, severely escalating with the feminist movement and no fault divorce in the 70's. IMO

What we are really seeing now is not so much a gun problem, magazine capacity problem, etc etc etc., it is more about the destruction of families and communities, moral breakdowns, and the collapse of a society. Also massive brainwashing and manipulation.

It's a bit late for a quick fix IMO.....

[Rocky_Shorz]

I see no problem stopping further sales of assault rifles to anyone who doesn't pass a background check.

I see a huge opportunity, when a child walks into a gun shop to buy a gun or bullets, to stop them...

if a shop has access to background checks, they should also have access to a warning system that someone searching for a gun is "off"

Photo standing at the counter along with a name and address...

write it up as a receipt and after the purchase explain the 7 day hold before a weapon can be released. The Kid will go ballistic not getting his gun after handing over his money, but he'll be staring down a barrel of a 45 while waiting for the police to arrive...

when my daughters best friend was kidnapped and murdered We stood up and demanded a National database... kids have stopped disappearing...

I wanted instant choppers in the air and roads shut downs to catch the kidnappers while there is still time to save the child, so of course I sound extreme.

I want to see Armories for Parents of psycho kids to lock down weapons away from the home.

anyone who won't release a weapon to keep their family safe is a freak that doesn't deserve guns anyways...

my only care is finding a way to keep kids safe.

where are the Mental Health healing centers?

[Arrowwind]

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I guess you still haven't figured it out...

everything you say needs to get fixed, has been created by the Federal Reserve to make you forget what really needs to change.

as long as big banks run the world none of it matters...

they write the rules and there isn't a darn thing you can do about it...

stop the hate, you've been spun...

What people haven't figured out is that without our constitution you will be in such a prison state that you wont even be able to talk about the banks.

The sole purpose that the 2nd amendment was put into the constitution was to maintain the freedom and ability to protect oneself, and to protect individual states from tyranny from the government and to take them down if you can...not a god dam thing to do with duck hunting, and to insinuate that it does reflects pure ignorance of our constitution and the intent of the framers of the bill of rights, and such dialogue it to confound and confuse even further the already ignorant.

The 1st amendment was put there to give us the ability to freely talk to ourselves, our neighbors and to our governmental representatives, not a dam thing to do with pornorgraphy. And when they take that down websites like this will become a distant memeory.

The 10th amendment was put there to maintain states rights so that states would not become prisoners of the federal government.


They are after it all. Your individual rights and states rights.


But go ahead. Dont fight for it.
Just ignore it.
Pretend that it has absolutley nothing to do with your freedom.
Just go back to sleep.
One's life will be over before one know it anyway
and nothing will have been done or contributed to help maintain freedom.

One can pick and choose if you want to what your cause will be but without it all none of it will stand.

the constitution was written when it took 15 seconds to reload a Musket and had a 15% accuracy

How can you say there is no difference from that and a Gun that can blast 15 shots in several seconds...

you can have a gun to protect yourself, but it's time to shut down the flow of these types of guns to the insane...

as you said the second amendment was to protect yourself and your kids.

he world is open to suggestions, what is your answer to the slaughter of innocents?

Innocents have always died. Its the nature of the world. Insane people need better medical care. Parents need to parent better. Im not responsible for their failings. My kids dont go around murdering anyone and they should not be punished for the bad things other people do.
I will not relinquish my right to defend myself or anyone else to defend themselves from tyranny because some people are badly behaved. What happening here is nothing new to the world and taking peoples guns away will not make it go away. Clearly UK has demonstrated that as well as other countries who have confiscated guns. In the end what you end up with is only criminals having guns and every one else is vulnerable.
Seems to me if they medically managed crazy people better most of this would not be happening. The drug culture is largely responsible and drugs are involved in MOST of the cases and I will not play into the lie that guns are the problem when actually the pharamceutical industry is the cause and the dangerous use of pshycotropic drugs on the population and it is a known fact that these drugs do these things... it is published on the insert of every dam box of drugs they sell and doctors still prescribe them and people still use them. So they are really the ones to blame.

[SilentFeathers]

I see no problem stopping further sales of assault rifles to anyone who doesn't pass a background check.

I see a huge opportunity, when a child walks into a gun shop to buy a gun or bullets, to stop them...

if a shop has access to background checks, they should also have access to a warning system that someone searching for a gun is "off"

Photo standing at the counter along with a name and address...

write it up as a receipt and after the purchase explain the 7 day hold before a weapon can be released. The Kid will go ballistic not getting his gun after handing over his money, but he'll be staring down a barrel of a 45 while waiting for the police to arrive...

when my daughters best friend was kidnapped and murdered We stood up and demanded a National database... kids have stopped disappearing...

I wanted instant choppers in the air and roads shut downs to catch the kidnappers while there is still time to save the child, so of course I sound extreme.

I want to see Armories for Parents of psycho kids to lock down weapons away from the home.

anyone who won't release a weapon to keep their family safe is a freak that doesn't deserve guns anyways...

my only care is finding a way to keep kids safe.

where are the Mental Health healing centers?

A couple of good points but most of what you wrote is to vague for me to agree with or I simply just don't agree.

EDIT: Actually I only agree with you on the second to the last sentence and somewhat on the first sentence to some degree depending on how draconian the background check would be.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I agree, I've been saying it for years, but I was a caregiver for a level 2 Bi-Polar for 13 years...

now most people don't like California, but one thing they do right is not allow medically insane to buy guns...

what they don't do right is offer a health care center to help those in need, but none of the states do.

she's in the hospital now after trying to kill herself, but I'm no longer involved in her care...

I'm not sure what's going on to suddenly be pushing so many over the edge...

[Arrowwind]

We have 350 million people in this nation. the percentage of those doing mayhem and murder are likley less than 1%.... or something like that. Its only the media that makes it seem like so much more. Many of the murders are done in gangs and gangs have been supplied with guns by the CIA, especially in California.

Murder is nothing new...
before guns it was knives and axes.

Lizzie Bordon took an ax
and gave her mother 40 whacks
when she saw what she had done
she gave her father 41


Falls River, Mass. 1892
a distant relative of our family




http://www.amfire.com/images/statistics/homicideRates1900-1990.jpg

A: Massive urbanization. America changes from mainly farmers to mainly city dwellers. Massive immigration of European groups that had been suppressed for generations by landlords, the government and the church. A small percentage of some immigration groups react to their newfound "liberation" by becoming criminals. The dislocations of WWII were follwed by the easy money of bootlegging.

B: The murder rate from 1870 to 1905 was slightly under or slightly over 1 per 100,000. During this time anyone, balck, white, immigrant, a 14 year old, etc. could buy a firearm anywhere and anytime. If "guns cause murder" as the anti-freedom groups say, why was the murder rate so low when anyone and everyone could buy firearms? It is self-evident that whatever factors increase the murder rate, the open and free sale of firearms is NOT one of them.

C: If "poverty causes crime" as the left-wing anti-guns groups say, why was there a 45% DECREASE in murders during some of the worst years of the great depression?

D: Prohibition repealed. The murder rate DECREASES by 50% between 1933 & 1958. During this time, any adult could buy any kind of firearm, even mail-order purchase of firearms.

E: The landmark 1968 Gun Control Bill is passed. Congress promises the American people this bill will end gun violence in America.

F: The "drug culture" takes hold and the "drug wars" start.

G: Ten million soldiers return to America and leave the armes services after WWII. Many also return after the Korean War. Many undreds of thousands bring back "souvenirs" of every kind, including fully automatic machine guns. Millions of military surplus firearms come into America, literally by the shipload and are sold on the open market. If "guns cause crime" as the gun control groups contend, there should have been and explosion of murder during this time.

H: The 1960 to 1980 period is a mirror image of 1905 to 1933. This time it was the massive urbanization of the Black population, plus renewed massive immigration. As in the 1905-1933 period, a small percentage of the newly "liberated" groups turned to professional crime. The crime family bootleg wars were duplicated by the drug wars. The black drug war criminal gangs of today, like the Sicilian, Italian and Irish gangs of the 1920's will eventually settle down, a process that appears to have already started in the 1980's. The decriminalization of "diet pills" would probably lower the murder rate. Not to the same degree as the repeal of prohibition, but it would help

Key Facts at a Glance
Homicide rates recently declined to levels last seen in the mid-1960s
To view data, click on the chart.
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Note: The 2001 rate includes deaths attributed to the 9/11 terrorism attacks.

Source: National Center for Health Statistics (http://www.cdc.gov/nchswww/), Vital Statistics For related data about homicide trends, see Homicide Trends in the U.S. (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/homtrnd.cfm)

and we all know that those murders were done by Cheney and Rumsfeld.

[SilentFeathers]

We have 350 million people in this nation. the percentage of those doing mayhem and murder are likley less than 1%.... or something like that. Its only the media that makes it seem like so much more. Many of the murders are done in gangs and gangs have been supplied with guns by the CIA, especially in California.

Murder is nothing new...
before guns it was knives and axes.

Lizzie Bordon took an ax
and gave her mother 40 whacks
when she saw what she had done
she gave her father 41


Falls River, Mass. 1892
a distant relative of our family



Yeah, your more likely to die in a car accident than be murdered, or get hit by lighting if you carry a golf club rather than a AR15.

Your right, many gang banger murders have drove the numbers up in recent years, I also stand by what I wrote in an earlier post.


This is a bit more complex than a quick fix remedy and has many decades in the making, severely escalating with the feminist movement and no fault divorce in the 70's. IMO

What we are really seeing now is not so much a gun problem, magazine capacity problem, etc etc etc., it is more about the destruction of families and communities, moral breakdowns, and the collapse of a society. Also massive brainwashing and manipulation.

It's a bit late for a quick fix IMO.....

BTW: Lizzie Borden's step mom whom she allegedly "axed" to death was my great great aunt, a distant relative of mine.

[SilentFeathers]

An interesting tid-bit of info:


Questions Raised on Guns in Slayings
By Jeff Proctor / Journal Staff Writer on Tue, Jan 22, 2013
Authorities are looking into whether Pastor Greg Griego had a criminal past — as friends and colleagues have said — and, if so, whether he was prohibited from owning the assault-style rifle and other guns his son allegedly used to kill him and four other family members.
http://www.abqjournal.com/main/2013/01/22/news/questions-raised-on-guns-in-slayings.html

If he had a criminal past this will help the "gun control politicians" with their agenda....

They'll also probably start propaganda that parents that "homeschool" their children may not be such a good idea after all....


New Mexico homeschooled teen Nehemiah Griego accused of murdering family, planned to keep killing at local Walmart
Griego told a friend he was going to keep killing, but his friend, mercifully, talked him out of it. He eventually told a church security guard about the crime, and the retired cop called 911, according to reports.
http://www.nydailynews.com/n-m-teen-accused-killing-family-quiet-article-1.1243888?pmSlide=

[Arrowwind]

An interesting tid-bit of info:


Questions Raised on Guns in Slayings
By Jeff Proctor / Journal Staff Writer on Tue, Jan 22, 2013
Authorities are looking into whether Pastor Greg Griego had a criminal past — as friends and colleagues have said — and, if so, whether he was prohibited from owning the assault-style rifle and other guns his son allegedly used to kill him and four other family members.
http://www.abqjournal.com/main/2013/01/22/news/questions-raised-on-guns-in-slayings.html

If he had a criminal past this will help the "gun control politicians" with their agenda....

They'll also probably start propaganda that parents that "homeschool" their children may not be such a good idea after all....
[/QUOTE]

Actually to me it says that laws will not control guns used in violent acts. If people want guns they will find guns.

[SilentFeathers]

What a coincidence, almost everything is fitting perfectly with the political agenda!!!!!!!!!!!!


New Mexico teen accused of family slaughter loved 'violent' video games, police say

He contemplated shooting up a local Walmart

"The motive as articulated was purely that he was frustrated with his mother,"

He had four guns -- a .22 rifle with a 10-round ammunition holder, an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle and two 12-gauge shotguns -- some of which had been purchased by his father's friends and sold to the dad privately, police said.

The father, who had an old arrest record and used to run a halfway house for ex-cons on his property, had taught his son how to shoot, police said.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/22/16643356-new-mexico-teen-accused-of-family-slaughter-loved-violent-video-games-police-say?lite

[SilentFeathers]

The media keeps repeating everywhere that this kid wanted to go to a Walmart too and shoot a bunch of people and cause a "massacre".

The more they repeat this crap the more likely some weak minded mental case will go and do it!!! Be careful at all Walmarts folk's, we've all seen enough evidence that the media has a way of brainwashing people, especially when they constantly repeat something.

[modwiz]

The media keeps repeating everywhere that this kid wanted to go to a Walmart too and shoot a bunch of people and cause a "massacre".

The more they repeat this crap the more likely some weak minded mental case will go and do it!!! Be careful at all Walmarts folk's, we've all seen enough evidence that the media has a way of brainwashing people, especially when they constantly repeat something.

A little dark humor, which usually hides some truth: A massacre at a Walmart would improve the gene pool. A massacre at Wall street would improve morale.

Decisions to decisions.

Best decision. No shooting.

[PurpleLama]

Best decision. No shooting.

I'm loving these little disclaimers.

[Rocky_Shorz]

shooting planned for a week, talked it over with his girlfriend...

instead of teaching kids to duck, maybe we should teach them when to ask for help for their friends...

http://www.abqjournal.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/griego-teen-340x350.jpg

http://www.abqjournal.com/main/2013/01/22/abqnewsseeker/breaking-teen-shooting-suspect-had-contemplated-killings-for-at-least-a-week.html

did it take MK one week to break through his Senses?

His Dad was helping X-cons move forward through life without violence...

was that not in MKs plans?