What Now?

[Fred Steeves]

Lots of talk here as of late, and justifiably so, about what's going on in America. As a once proud American, and one who is going to stick it out here come what may, let me tell you what I see anyway. America is gone folks, and she ain't coming back. Straight up. Watching politicians and State run media here any more, is akin to entering into cartoon land bizarro world, and of course we're supposed to take it seriously.:rolleyes:

One way I'm looking at the situation now, is how similar it is to the devastating loss of a close loved one. The hard cold fact is that they are gone, and they are not coming back. At that point the next logical question is: "What now"?

For most, "what now" will be the ultimate moment of despair, and they will fearfully do as they are told. For the few, "what now" will be the entire reason they are here in this place and in this time, because it will represent a moment of unlimited potential.

What that potential is, I wouldn't hazard to limit with mere speculation. But one thing it is not, is "winning" or "losing" a war.

"What Now" is a state of Mind and Spirit, Creation in progress.

Cheers,
Fred

[Kristin]

What is interesting and exciting is creating the best possible outcome in this scenario that we have been co-creating. Action will need to happen, but from the heart. If there is any balance that needs to be had... now is a good time to find it... before the action comes and we end up expressing form a place that is less balanced then the truth-based potential within.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Bill Ryan]

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[ViralSpiral]

A wise man once said......




Congratulations, to your realizations. Excuse me for reading your post.

I sometimes do to see if anything new has happened. LOL


All is well


Jorr



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[Fred Steeves]

http://projectavalon.net/USA_Ecuador.gif

Smart ass...http://nexusnow.info/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/laugh.gif

[Kristin]

Yes, smart and saving his ass (and yours) at the same time!!!

[Kristin]

Seriously though, many will not be able to leave and some will choose to stay to hold the balance. I would encourage all my friends in the US to really find the strong centre in themselves and to be the best human that they can possibly be. Things are going to get hard, and change will come whether you invite it in or not. Live in your truth, inspire others to be their best as well. Use all your talents, keep your thoughts calm and balanced. Laugh when you can, and never forget to love.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Fred Steeves]

Seriously though, many will not be able to leave and some will choose to stay to hold the balance. I would encourage all my friends in the US to really find the strong centre in themselves and to be the best human that they can possibly be. Things are going to get hard, and change will come whether you invite it in or not. Live in your truth, inspire others to be their best as well. Use all your talents, keep your thoughts calm and balanced. Laugh when you can, and never forget to love.


Seriously though, that's some serious good advice Kristin.

[BrianEn]

I can't just pick up and go.

[Caren]

Kristin,
thank you for your honesty, love and encouragement; yours is a beautiful post (as usual) and "From the Heart" just as you say.

[Kristin]

I also live in Canada, just like you (Caren) and Brian. I have a sneaking suspicion that we will be seeing a lot more of our US brothers and sisters coming our way. On my end, I am going to keep that space ready for them and my heart open to do so!

From the Heart,
Kristin

[white wizard]

Whats going on? Why is everyone freaking out? is there something going on I

should be aware of? Clarification would be much appreciated thanks. :confused:

[Dennis Leahy]

One mindset that I hope does not take hold is the mindset that says that things will fall apart, and then somehow we the people will be able to pick up the pieces and create a better system.

If we have no control over our governance now, we will have even less control when things fall apart, and the Ruling Cartels/Cabals (global or national) will control a gigantic mercenary force to make sure they stay in control - using the scarcity paradigm as well as deadly force.

I believe it is foolish to assume that life for "the 99%" will somehow magically get better just because of a collapse. The bankers made out like bandits (they are bandits) with the orchestrated crash of 1929, and they will be just fine in the crash of 2013 (or whenever they decide to "pull it.")

Dennis

[Fred Steeves]

Whats going on? Why is everyone freaking out? is there something going on I

should be aware of? Clarification would be much appreciated thanks. :confused:

No freaking out here white wizard, just reading the handwriting on the wall so to speak. A good analogy would be what is the prudent thing to do when your area is under a tornado watch? Take every precautionary action, be prepared to act accordingly, and keep an eye to the sky.

[PurpleLama]

What now?

Just a sharpening that sword and rounding out the seed collection.

[Kristin]

One mindset that I hope does not take hold is the mindset that says that things will fall apart, and then somehow we the people will be able to pick up the pieces and create a better system.

If we have no control over our governance now, we will have even less control when things fall apart, and the Ruling Cartels/Cabals (global or national) will control a gigantic mercenary force to make sure they stay in control - using the scarcity paradigm as well as deadly force.



I believe it is foolish to assume that life for "the 99%" will somehow magically get better just because of a collapse. The bankers made out like bandits (they are bandits) with the orchestrated crash of 1929, and they will be just fine in the crash of 2013 (or whenever they decide to "pull it.")

Dennis

I agree Dennis, that is precisely why we all need to be balanced and compassionate during these times and not reactionary. In that way we can live with our own actions, can understand ourselves and our hearts best, and be able to be caring and take effective measures without the muddy waters of fear controlling our thoughts.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[13th Warrior]

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Smart ass...http://nexusnow.info/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/laugh.gif

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[another bob]

From a year + ago, still timely:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37047-A-Way-Forward&p=384301&highlight=Nanci+Danison#post384301

:yo:

[RUSirius]

I think no matter where one is in the world, no matter what the conditions, a balanced self, to know thy self is most important, more than food and water, a lack of that just causes bodily death, a lack of the other causes...well I'm not sure what the end result would be, but I dont want to find out.

[Heartsong]

I don't think the United States is going anywhere nor changing as radically as many do. I don't see it in peoples spirits to give up an give in. I'm not talking armed militia, hoarding or apocalypse.

I see them turning away from government and turning to small communities centered around common interests. There are more community gardens, public health clinics started and controlled by churches or civic groups, study groups for local changes, than I've seen in my life time. These arose out of need countered by ability and run by the skilled and willing.

Those who run from adversity are serving themselves and albeit that may be the only choice. The other choice is to connect with others and see to each others' welfare.

What do you have to give versus what do you have to lose.

[Wind]

I think that the things that are about to happen will just not affect the US, but also the whole world. Be it war, earth changes or what ever. No matter what happens keep your cool, be aware of the things happening around and show compassion towards others. At least that's what I'm trying to do.

And never underestimate the power of prayer (if that's your thing).

[Spiral of Light]

As one of those who is in no position to leave the U.S., I am prepared as I can be for the hard times that I know are ahead. But, I can't help hoping that there is more than one 'William Wallace' out there who will ultimately stand up to lead the masses in our fight for Freedom...along with the hope that the masses who will rise up will number in the millions.

When will that be? Timing is everything.

[Operator]

I can't just pick up and go.

In this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54578-Albuquerque-Shooting-1-20-2013&p=619890&viewfull=1#post619890) post I said


But I no longer believe in weapons myself. I prefer to vanish undetected.

In hindsight that's not accurate. I think that being alert and awake will help anticipation of trouble
and danger ahead in time. Best option is to leave before the herd (vanish undetected).

However there is an exception! It was demonstrated in the movie Bravo Two Zero (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120617/).

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The part I refer to starts at 0:40 sec.

When you can be certain that you will be followed wherever you go and no place will be safe you have to turn around and
instead of being in an endless defense position you have to make the difficult choice to attack.
This 'surprise' is the only hope of not being hunted down till the last man.
In the clip above watch them move forward ... not backward. Despite being outnumbered.

In this case I don't mean physical attack of course. But it's time folks to turn the tables and swap the roles of hunter and prey.
There comes a point where there is no place to hide and we have to stand and fight (back).

If it isn't done now it will be done later. But the longer we wait the higher the change that it may be with physical means.

[Snookie]

If the information coming from the Farsight Institute and Half Past Human have any validity relative to the Global Costal Event, then it sounds like we will get a kick in the arse to get off the couch and help each other. As Clif says, the PTB won't be anywhere in sight, so it will be up to us.

I had wanted to move to Equador as well, however I have started to feel my place is here. Not to mention it's tough to get your better half to move that far away from his kids and grand kids (and I don't blame him).

Instead I have talked to my neighbors about planting a garden this year. I haven't done this type of work since I was a kid growing up on the farm, but I have a feeling this is what I should be doing. They just happened to know someone who is delighted that we are going to be using their unused garden plot!

[Freed Fox]

Don't be afraid.

It sounds too simple, perhaps even naive. However, fear does nothing to serve us. It only serves 'them'.
If you feel the fear rising up, do your best to face it. Replace it with courage, creativity, and above all determination.

If all else fails, just remember that death is not the end. They can take our lives, but not our souls.

[RUSirius]

Don't be afraid.

It sounds too simple, perhaps even naive. However, fear does nothing to serve us. It only serves 'them'.
If you feel the fear rising up, do your best to face it. Replace it with courage, creativity, and above all determination.

If all else fails, just remember that death is not the end. They can take our lives, but not our souls.

Yes, fear is a killer at many levels, it hits everyone in unique ways, both globally and personally, put fear to bed, permanently! For some (myself included) this does not happen overnight, it is gradual.

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxx

[Operator]

I do not fear my government.

It's not your government ... it's the hidden force behind your government manipulating them to
abuse the power to rule and disguise their own agenda.



All is well.;)


You really think so?

[RUSirius]

All is well.;)


You really think so?

Depends, is it a state of being or the state of the states? Yes to the first, and hands down no to the second.

[Fred Steeves]

All is well.;)


You really think so?

Depends, is it a state of being or the state of the states? Yes to the first, and hands down no to the second.

Good distinction Jeff, my signature says it all my feelings on the state of being. The state of the States? Well definitely not so much like you said.

This thread was about both of those states, but it was certainly not based in fear. Seeking the low ground during a thunderstorm for instance, is not a fearful move, it's just plain smart.

I also have every reason to believe that we have much more power over our circumstances than we think we do, and this is VERY worthy of personal investigation. That being said, all can be well even while being led to the gallows. The manner in which we complete this Earthly journey means everything, it can be the crown jewell of one's life.

[RUSirius]

All is well.;)


You really think so?

Depends, is it a state of being or the state of the states? Yes to the first, and hands down no to the second.

and this is VERY worthy of personal investigation.

To me this is it right here, the "personal investigation" many different levels of planning for things can "work" in different and possibly successful ways, if "we" uniquely and individually find the answer that "we" need to bring to the table by searching the "answer within" I think "we" could be far more successful, than more "earthly" ways of planning to change this place.

[Tangri]

Yes, smart and saving his ass (and yours) at the same time!!!

And yours? How?

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxxx

[Rich]

http://projectavalon.net/USA_Ecuador.gif

If you see my parents say hello from me ;), they live in Vilcabamba (I lived there for a short time too - don't know if I will go back)
here is their website http://www.fincalahermosa.com/index.html

[Rollo]

What Now? Probably this is a great time, opportunity to create and channel all the emotions, energies trough creative act. Start writing, paint a picture, learn how to play on instrument, build a house, dance, sing, upload a video on your brand new YT channel or tailor a hat that Bill will be dying for... Anything that is coming from your heart and soul that you are passionate about. Creativity is one of the greatest gifts that we have and can share.

“I am not afraid…I was born to do this.” - Joan of Arc

With love for love,
Rollo

[13th Warrior]

What Now? Probably this is a great time, opportunity to create and channel all the emotions, energies trough creative act. Start writing, paint a picture, learn how to play on instrument, build a house, dance, sing, upload a video on your brand new YT channel or tailor a hat that Bill will be dying for... Anything that is coming from your heart and soul that you are passionate about. Creativity is one of the greatest gifts that we have and can share.

“I am not afraid…I was born to do this.” - Joan of Arc

With love for love,
Rollo

It's not the timid who run and hide who change the world...

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[Fred Steeves]

It's not the timid who run and hide who change the world...

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Hi 13th Warrior, I appreciate your passion, truly, but history shows us that war brings nothing but more war. It has failed every time it's tried, and we need look no further than all the major world powers who have fought to be free, especially the U.S. currently, to see where it ultimately leads. Now I'm not trying to tell you what to do brother, do as thou wilt, but if America is allowed to disintegrate into another Civil/Revolutionary War, everybody loses, except the elite of the elites.

And round we go again. I'm tired of going round and round again, there's a better way...

[13th Warrior]

It's not the timid who run and hide who change the world...

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rpB5oLYlQmI

Hi 13th Warrior, I appreciate your passion, truly, but history shows us that war brings nothing but more war. It has failed every time it's tried, and we need look no further than all the major world powers who have fought to be free, especially the U.S. currently, to see where it ultimately leads. Now I'm not trying to tell you what to do brother, do as thou wilt, but if America is allowed to disintegrate into another Civil/Revolutionary War, everybody loses, except the elite of the elites.

And round we go again. I'm tired of going round and round again, there's a better way...

Since i cannot find the film clip for my response i'll have to settle for quoted text.


Theoden: I will not risk open war.
Aragorn: Open war is upon you whether you would risk it or not.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

if we are going to find a way out of this, we need to re-establish our links to our community, starting with self, family, local, country etc. we have lost those fundamental communication tools we once had, and instead of living through the heart we live from the fear that is fed to us,. which we feed on to 'them' to continue these practices.

It is possible to live within the rules of the matrix while dismantling it from the inside. F*K Them!

Stay positive, live from the heart, and love your life.
PVM

[Kimberley]

I am fully aware (well as much as one can be) of the state of the state and the shadow government. They are not well but I am. I don't like what is going down in my country but i am personally better and better each day. I am as prepared as I can be with the exception of still growing. And even with all of the turmoil that is going on in the country I have an overwhelming sense of peace and well-being. I can’t tell you why and I don’t even care why. It is a good place to be. I just have sense that it is all going to happen just the way it needs to happen and I will know what I need to do when I need to do it. I trust my instincts and I trust myself. And yes, I really do believe that all is well in my state of being.

Interesting discussion... and I agree with you sleepy and am in the same place as you seem to be.

Be the peace and all is well...

Also I used to resist change and now I embrace it...that has brought me great freedom and peace.. change is constant.

This is a great find that a friend sent to me today.... I might start a thread on this although it seems to fit in here for a start... Enjoy! And Much love :grouphug:

Mark Robert Waldman 20 minutes

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Mark Robert Waldman is a therapist and an Associate Fellow at the Center for Spirituality and the Mind, University of Pennsylvania, where he currently conducts research with Andrew Newberg, MD, on the neurological correlates of beliefs, morality, compassion, meditation, religious experiences, and spiritual practices. He is adjunct faculty at Loyola Marymount University, Los Angeles, where he is developing communication tools for the Executive MBA program.
He lectures frequently at conferences, colleges, and churches on topics relating to the neuropsychology of stress, relaxation, emotional control, relationship dynamics, conflict resolution, mediation, communication, weight management, and the neurobiological development of personal values and business ethics (neuroeconomics). His research has been featured in Time Magazine, Washington Post, Oprah Magazine and Radio, USA Today, The New York Times science section, and his interviews have appeared on dozens of radio and
television programs, including Oprah and Friends.
Mark is the author of eleven books and anthologies, and his professional papers have been published throughout the world. He was the founding editor of the academic journal, Transpersonal Review, chairman of the Los Angeles Transpersonal Interest Group, regional coordinator for the Spiritual Emergence Network,
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[Kimberley]

Hi 13th Warrior, I appreciate your passion, truly, but history shows us that war brings nothing but more war. It has failed every time it's tried, and we need look no further than all the major world powers who have fought to be free, especially the U.S. currently, to see where it ultimately leads. Now I'm not trying to tell you what to do brother, do as thou wilt, but if America is allowed to disintegrate into another Civil/Revolutionary War, everybody loses, except the elite of the elites.

And round we go again. I'm tired of going round and round again, there's a better way...

Yes and that is what I so love about Mr Keshe's claims and his proposed peace treaty and conference that can be seen here (if you have not already seen it):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54615-M-T-Keshe-Announced-signing-of-the-world-peace-treaty-and-World-peace-conference&p=620278&viewfull=1#post620278


Much love and much peace to us all!!

[ThePythonicCow]

http://projectavalon.net/USA_Ecuador.gif

Population of Equador: 14 Million
Population of Texas: 25 Million

Area of Equador: 256 thousand square km
Area of Texas: 696 thousand square km

We wouldn't all fit, Bill :)

(And I've heard rumors that there are other parts of the USA, outside of Texas.)

[Fred Steeves]

http://projectavalon.net/USA_Ecuador.gif

Population of Equador: 14 Million
Population of Texas: 25 Million

Area of Equador: 256 thousand square km
Area of Texas: 696 thousand square km

We wouldn't all fit, Bill :)

(And I've heard rumors that there are other parts of the USA, outside of Texas.)

Well well lookie here, another smart ass...http://nexusnow.info/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/laugh.gif

[modwiz]

Hi 13th Warrior, I appreciate your passion, truly, but history shows us that war brings nothing but more war. It has failed every time it's tried, and we need look no further than all the major world powers who have fought to be free, especially the U.S. currently, to see where it ultimately leads. Now I'm not trying to tell you what to do brother, do as thou wilt, but if America is allowed to disintegrate into another Civil/Revolutionary War, everybody loses, except the elite of the elites.

And round we go again. I'm tired of going round and round again, there's a better way...

Yes and that is what I so love about Mr Keshe's claims and his proposed peace treaty and conference that can be seen here (if you have not already seen it):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54615-M-T-Keshe-Announced-signing-of-the-world-peace-treaty-and-World-peace-conference&p=620278&viewfull=1#post620278


Much love and much peace to us all!!

Any signatories yet?

[Arrowwind]

I agree Dennis, that is precisely why we all need to be balanced and compassionate during these times and not reactionary.
From the Heart,
Kristin

The thing is too many people see being non reactionary the same as taking no action at all.

[kreagle]

http://projectavalon.net/USA_Ecuador.gif


I 'propose a move also',.....just in a 'different direction!'


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I fully agree with the 'problem' and the 'need for a move',.....I just want a more 'permanent and final fix for the problem'.


Peace and Love to all,........kreagle

[Fred Steeves]

http://projectavalon.net/USA_Ecuador.gif


I 'propose a move also',.....just in a 'different direction!'


http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx126/JesussPrincessss/BRIDEofJESUS.jpg


I fully agree with the 'problem' and the 'need for a move',.....I just want a more 'permanent and final fix for the problem'.


Oh for Chrissake...http://nexusnow.info/forum/images/smilies/doh.gif

Sorry kreagle, just couldn't help meself.(LOL)

[Kristin]

I agree Dennis, that is precisely why we all need to be balanced and compassionate during these times and not reactionary.
From the Heart,
Kristin

The thing is too many people see being non reactionary the same as taking no action at all.

Indeed, thinking before one acts is my point entirely!
From the Heart,
Kristin

[Tesseract]

Many of the discontents bemoaning the current state of the US issue glib conservative laments such as that the nation is sliding into a 'black hole of socialism'. It really would be quite the irony if some of those folks fled to Ecuador. I'd have a good old chuckle about that.

[Arrowwind]

Its not socialism that Im conerned about, its facism. We have been socialistic for a long time now, although quite ill managed. If we put more into that and less into nation making, war and moving our industry out of the nation to foreign shores and keeping corporations out of politics we'd be just fine.

[Fred Steeves]

Whatever the political "ism", this is the state in which we find ourselves perpetually entrapped.

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Had Enough???

[norman]

Meet the new bosses..................

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[DeDukshyn]

What Now? Probably this is a great time, opportunity to create and channel all the emotions, energies trough creative act. Start writing, paint a picture, learn how to play on instrument, build a house, dance, sing, upload a video on your brand new YT channel or tailor a hat that Bill will be dying for... Anything that is coming from your heart and soul that you are passionate about. Creativity is one of the greatest gifts that we have and can share.

“I am not afraid…I was born to do this.” - Joan of Arc

With love for love,
Rollo


Yes, and to add ... never underestimate the power of practicing creation ... start small if you need to to ... but create -- A Creator who does not create, ends up creating the sorrow caused by the perceived inability to express itself. You cannot stop creating if you wanted to. Direct that carefully ... Life is a canvass ... ;)

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Its not socialism that Im conerned about, its facism. We have been socialistic for a long time now, although quite ill managed. If we put more into that and less into nation making, war and moving our industry out of the nation to foreign shores and keeping corporations out of politics we'd be just fine.

I want to add that there is only a "black hole of socialism" within an economy based on scarcity. Get rid of the economy based on scarcity, then re-evaluate socialism on its merits within that environment. ;)

[gripreaper]

I was born and raised in America, the fourth child of immigrants who came to America from Germany in 1949, after the atrocious events in Europe. I was taught that America was the land of the free and the home of the brave. It was understood that freedom and liberty, self determination, and individual rights were part of this nation, and that this nation was like no other. We would pledge allegiance to the flag first thing every morning at school. We celebrate our freedom every year on the fourth of July, claiming that we are emancipated from the Crown and won this freedom, and have defended it many times in the last few hundred years, against enemies around the world who would attempt to encroach on individual freedom. Many paid with their lives holding these beliefs. I too am mourning the loss of what I once believed to be true about America.

Many here recognize that this freedom and liberty has been an illusion, and that the globalists have circumvented and taken over this country, through wars, banking, corporatocracy, and the media. The owners and controllers have technology, assets and tools which are far superior to that which is available in the public domain.

We are a nation of approximately 300 million people, a small population relative to countries such as India or China, yet our economy is larger than the next six economies combined. We generate about 14 trillion a year in gross domestic product, even though so much of our industries have been outsourced to other countries. Our currency is the world reserve currency, and more dollars are held outside this country than are held within, and these dollars are in every pocket around the globe. Many of the other countries hold treasury notes, which give them access to the GDP we produce each year, and this has reduced the amounts available for capital allocation, other than debt service to the globalists.

There are many reasons for this, too numerous to highlight in this post, but suffice it to say, every foreign and domestic government program is non value added to the economy, and is a huge drain. This is by design, as I believe, so was the incredible expansion in the last several decades.

Freedom and liberty was allowed to flourish in America since WW2, after project paperclip brought the best and the brightest from all over the world to America, to back engineer the stellar technology and to usher in the digital age, and I think it was due to some huge revelation that the elite had which accelerated their timeline, and made it necessary to very quickly generate defenses and technologies to cover all of their variable events and agendas going forward. We all know about the secret black ops economy and projects, the stellar technology, underground bases and such, so we see the fruits of this expansion.

What I now believe is happening, is that these globalist elite have basically finished their project, have the technology they want, and now need to take their corporation called America and trim the fat, reduce it to where it is just their global mercenary bully force military, and sustain the corporate industries which support their advanced technologies. How many people this requires and what industries are to remain housed within the borders of the US are up for speculation, as well as how this is to be achieved, and how fast. We are nothing more than a used office chair in the elites corporate office, to be discarded when used and worn out.

Many are speculating that the elite plan for America includes some catastrophic failure, or an apocalyptic type collapse and reset. So far, it looks like they are slowly bleeding the wealth and resources for capital allocation, and are destroying the middle class and placing all of us into a state of poverty and subsistence level living. This has gone really well for them in the last decade, since 9-11, and permeates every sector of society.

If a catastrophic event is planned, it would be , either an expected natural phenomenon, such as an EMP from the sun, the Madrid fault splitting the country in two, a coastal tectonic shift which wipes out most of the western and eastern seaboard, or a pole shift, or some such event. Engineered events may include a war, engineered economic collapse and civil disobedience, breakdown of the centralized oil and electric grids, or a combination of the above, or a myriad of other options and false flags.

The solution for some, is to leave this country and take up residence elsewhere, where the effects would not be felt so severely, although I do believe that an American collapse would affect the entire world, and that the reduction of the populace to serfdom is a global agenda, and not just American. America is the stalwart which the rest of the world loves and hates, as a symbol for all that is wrong with the world, but also all that is right.

America, whether the freedom and liberty was engineered or not, has had a taste of what it is like to live the illusion of freedom, and as a band of rogue individualistic immigrants, did a pretty damn good job living that illusion, and developed an economy which still rivals that of any other country on the planet. We should be commended for this, while we mourn the loss of this dream and recognize the truth of what really happened, and where we stand now.

We stand at a precipice, one which mankind has not stood on for thousands of years. I do believe we have been here before and have the DNA race memories in our core to remind us of what happens when oligarchy reaches the point where there is a small one percent of psychopathic controllers at the top, and 99% serfdom for the rest of us. This is what we face, complete totalitarian fascism.


For most, "what now" will be the ultimate moment of despair, and they will fearfully do as they are told. For the few, "what now" will be the entire reason they are here in this place and in this time, because it will represent a moment of unlimited potential.

And that potential starts at home. Get out of debt and decentralize your basic needs as much as possible. Go out into your local communities and gather with like minded individuals and create co-operatives, and localize basic needs as much as possible, preferably away from the major population centers. Take up a spiritual practice, by decalcifying the pineal gland through mineral cell salts, detox, clean energized and alkalized water, raw fruits and vegetables, and aerobic exercise. This is the first step in a commitment to “what now?”

The unlimited potential lies in America, having had a taste of freedom. It has yet to be tested and seen, if we are willing to unite and rally around the things which bring us together, and not fall for the divisive tactics of the controllers. I know that most of the 300 million people here are still asleep, but this sleeping giant has never been poked in the ribs before and been awakened, like we are about to experience in the next few decades, or sooner.

The global military force known as the US military is comprised of many individuals, and it is my hope and dream that they stand with the people, and that most of the respective states will also not comply with the draconian dictates being handed down. I know the awakening needs to be soon, before we are totally reduced to serfdom and we no longer have the wherewithal or the power to take on such a formidable global force.

We have the potential, as Fred has so eloquently stated, and it is up to us, the remnants who see the handwriting on the wall. If the current baby boom generation passes, who has a look backward and forward from freedom to fascism, and this slow bleed of serfdom continues into the next generation and we all die off, I don’t think it will be possible to turn the tide of potentiality towards an outcome which is favorable to all mankind.

Certain anomalies could happen, such as free energy, which could totally shift the chess board and level the playing field a bit. All of us having guns and ready to defend our 2nd amendment right are not formidable against the tools the elite have. We almost need a miracle. That miracle lies in the hearts of man, his empathy against those who have no such notions. It’s not a war, but it is an understanding of who these entities are, and accepting the TRUTH that they are not human, that they came here from somewhere else, manipulated our very DNA and set up a slave system on this planet, and they need to be removed.

That is an intention, one which can be manifest as we husband our energy and learn how to righteously use energy, and how quantum energetics has power. This power is not linear, but exponential, and it would only take a remnant to generate enough inertia to shift the tide. I think the tide is shifting, even in the view of how successful the elite have been, just in the last couple of months. Yes, they have their new data center and they are running beta tests on how to manipulate and steer the collective, and they are having great success. What successes are occurring in the hearts of man, who have not arisen yet?

I’m hopeful, and try not to look too hard at what is manifesting in the physical collective, but rather what is happening energetically in the quantum. That is where the change starts, in the hearts and minds of the people. The elite understand this all too well, and have been very successful at manipulating this energy on the quantum level, through their false flags, their rituals, and their human sacrifices. We need to have similar tools which are empathic, and strong enough to counter their initiatives.

I’d love to go to Ecuador, and I’d also love it if Bill would just come out and say it: what he sees for America and what information gave him the inertia to move to Ecuador, and why he has such a strong sense of urgency in everything he posts. If he has shared all he dare or will, I understand.

I also understand that I am standing with my fellow Americans, and I hope they will stand with me. This is not "nationalism" or "patriotism" so much as it is standing with the empaths of mankind, those with a heart and a soul, who know how to use them.

[mosquito]

What now ?

2012 is gone, with all its' empty promises and false hopes. Be thankful, because now we can focus on the moment.

Now is NOW. Now is the time to realize there are NO saviours on their way; we are not our past; we are not what we've been told; we are creators, we are NOW.

The future, good or not so good, lies with each and every one of us, whether you stay where you are or whether you get up and go somewhere else.

Grip's above post merits reading and rereading.

PS, congrats on 20,000 thanks Fred !

[Freed Fox]

Many great points gripreaper, very well said.



Many are speculating that the elite plan for America includes some catastrophic failure, or an apocalyptic type collapse and reset. So far, it looks like they are slowly bleeding the wealth and resources for capital allocation, and are destroying the middle class and placing all of us into a state of poverty and subsistence level living. This has gone really well for them in the last decade, since 9-11, and permeates every sector of society.

If a catastrophic event is planned, it would be , either an expected natural phenomenon, such as an EMP from the sun, the Madrid fault splitting the country in two, a coastal tectonic shift which wipes out most of the western and eastern seaboard, or a pole shift, or some such event. Engineered events may include a war, engineered economic collapse and civil disobedience, breakdown of the centralized oil and electric grids, or a combination of the above, or a myriad of other options and false flags.

One thing that I noticed about the last election (and the discourse in general for years now) is that suddenly there is only a middle and upper class. "Lower class" has been removed entirely from the vocabulary. Leading up to this, I believe, the term 'working class' was used in substitution, but I haven't even heard that phrase for a good while now. Seems like a deliberate measure to keep people from realizing how much peril the middle class is actually in, and how much larger the lower class is than it once was.

In my opinion, any major catastrophic event to push along the agenda would almost have to be an engineered one (even if it was engineered to appear natural). TPTB don't strike me as the type to rely on factors that they can't directly (or indirectly) control. I might also be underestimating the measures they have in place to avoid such catastrophes (underground refuges, etc).

On Bill's part, I can't speak for him, but I don't think he's keeping any major revelation from us. Rather, I think he's simply playing it smart and reading between the lines, like many others around here. He's already read the handwriting, so to speak. Again, that's just IMO and I can't speak for him.

Thanks again for sharing, I appreciate your passion. God willing, I will be one of those Americans standing by your side when push comes to shove.

[Kimberley]

Hi 13th Warrior, I appreciate your passion, truly, but history shows us that war brings nothing but more war. It has failed every time it's tried, and we need look no further than all the major world powers who have fought to be free, especially the U.S. currently, to see where it ultimately leads. Now I'm not trying to tell you what to do brother, do as thou wilt, but if America is allowed to disintegrate into another Civil/Revolutionary War, everybody loses, except the elite of the elites.

And round we go again. I'm tired of going round and round again, there's a better way...

Yes and that is what I so love about Mr Keshe's claims and his proposed peace treaty and conference that can be seen here (if you have not already seen it):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54615-M-T-Keshe-Announced-signing-of-the-world-peace-treaty-and-World-peace-conference&p=620278&viewfull=1#post620278


Much love and much peace to us all!!

Any signatories yet?

Yes from citizens but not from rulers/leaders to the best of my understanding....

[modwiz]

Hi 13th Warrior, I appreciate your passion, truly, but history shows us that war brings nothing but more war. It has failed every time it's tried, and we need look no further than all the major world powers who have fought to be free, especially the U.S. currently, to see where it ultimately leads. Now I'm not trying to tell you what to do brother, do as thou wilt, but if America is allowed to disintegrate into another Civil/Revolutionary War, everybody loses, except the elite of the elites.

And round we go again. I'm tired of going round and round again, there's a better way...

Yes and that is what I so love about Mr Keshe's claims and his proposed peace treaty and conference that can be seen here (if you have not already seen it):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54615-M-T-Keshe-Announced-signing-of-the-world-peace-treaty-and-World-peace-conference&p=620278&viewfull=1#post620278


Much love and much peace to us all!!

Any signatories yet?

Yes from citizens but not from rulers/leaders to the best of my understanding....

Thank you. Disappointing, but only a little surprising. This is the water to find out who is a good witch or a bad witch. So far, they are all melting. LOL

[Freed Fox]

Yes from citizens but not from rulers/leaders to the best of my understanding....

Thank you. Disappointing, but only a little surprising. This is the water to find out who is a good witch or a bad witch. So far they are all melting. LOL

I'd like to think that most people, even some world leaders, actually do want peace that is widespread and sustainable. What is lacking is the belief that it is possible. We see that harmonious co-existence is not only possible but preferable in small scale communities, but we have no historic recollection of the concept of world peace. Some may need a demonstration that it is more than a fantasy, even if they don't acknowledge that they must be part of that demonstration.

[modwiz]

Yes from citizens but not from rulers/leaders to the best of my understanding....

Thank you. Disappointing, but only a little surprising. This is the water to find out who is a good witch or a bad witch. So far they are all melting. LOL

I'd like to think that most people, even some world leaders, actually do want peace that is widespread and sustainable. What is lacking is the belief that it is possible. We see that harmonious co-existence is not only possible but preferable in small scale communities, but we have no historic recollection of the concept of world peace. Some may need a demonstration that it is more than a fantasy, even if they don't acknowledge that they must be part of that demonstration.

I agree and if it weren't for that pesky footage of them buggering some under-aged person, they might be able to sign it. Darn blackmail.

[gripreaper]

Thanks again for sharing, I appreciate your passion. God willing, I will be one of those Americans standing by your side when push comes to shove.

You are welcome Freed Fox. Although you are a new member, I have thoroughly enjoyed your input and your energy, and am glad to have made your acquaintance. Welcome to Avalon.

[Arrowwind]

I believe we are awakening and that there will be a stand by state and by county and by church and by militia and by every freedom loving person in our nation. If I didn't really believe that, if I didn't somehow know it in my gut I dont think I would be trying so hard to mirror the tenants of freedom in all that I do and all that I say of late. I can feel the pulse of my community and they are awake and aware to the danger and they are preparing. I am seeing many prepare food storage, share knowledge, talk of necessities and preparations for this great shift that we all feel is coming. Every wednesday I gather together with the locals at the coffee shop. Its all that is talked about. Really. Many here are preparing and we are well aware of our need for each other and of the cohesion needed to survive. All I can say is find the root in your community and start feeding it for no one will get through this alone.

[Fred Steeves]

It's pretty cool seeing people vow to be standing shoulder to shoulder during what may be approaching, atleast in the Spirit sense as far as forum friends. There is great power in this, and it might be an ace in the hole, even with no internet or other physical communications available. Let me explain what I'm getting at, because it involves a phenomena that happened a couple of months ago, and it's been lingering around the back of my mind that it was meant to be of use more than at just that one time, that it was somehow a "tool" so to speak, which may prove of great importance someday when much needed.

Some of you may remember a thread I started back in early November when my Dad was dying.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51784-Pointing-The-Way

To make a long story short, he was terrified of death, and I wanted desperately to help him ease that burden on the way out if possible. It was an hour+ drive each way to the hospital daily for a couple weeks, allowing much driving time to think and meditate on things.

One morning early on the idea came to mentally construct a "safe place" for him to go, even if subconsciously, where there were no worries, and no fear, where he could clearly contemplate his situation, and to hopefully come to his own conclusion that there was nothing to fear after all.

So I created it right then and there while driving(sort of), and it worked!(sort of). See, it was like creating a force field of sorts, but it was too much for me to manage, I just couldn't keep it up, and whenever my thoughts would deviate from that specific intent, it would begin to frazzle, and come apart at the seams. I just couldn't both take care of him and his daily needs, AND keep that "safe place" for him going simultaneously.

That's when "IT" happened, and this is what I "saw": Everyone involved in that thread, most likely subconsciously, recognized what I had created but could not maintain, and they were the cavalry come to the rescue. They basically said "Fred, you've created this, and now we've got your back brother. Take a load off, we'll maintain it from here on out, as long as it takes. Go inside your Dad's sacred circle yourself, and be with him worry free".

Well that's exactly what happened! It was a very real, tangible thing. I could literally feel the power and love of being inside this sacred, and unbreakable circle. It was a real life demonstration of the immense power of many individuals acting as one through the power of intent. And guess what it worked! In the last couple of days my Dad knew it was his time, but he had had the time and the space to come to the conclusion that there was nothing to be afraid of, and he died in peace.

So this story was to illustrate what I think the "tool" I'm speaking of is all about, and I'm betting that it's based in science as well. If everyone reading this sets the intent to be with, and of service to the others reading this, then it will be that same sacred and unbreakable support system if/when the s**t hits the fan. I'll take that over internet communication any day.

It's still a rough idea in the making, so hopefully I explained it well enough. Dr. Emoto's water experiments come to mind as well. This is very real stuff, and well worthy of further investigation. For instance, name an army capable of stopping such a thing?

[CdnSirian]

Thank you Fred. You've described it perfectly.

[Zelig]

I also live in Canada, just like you (Caren) and Brian. I have a sneaking suspicion that we will be seeing a lot more of our US brothers and sisters coming our way. On my end, I am going to keep that space ready for them and my heart open to do so!

From the Heart,
Kristin

I don't think things in Canada are all that different from the other side of the imaginary line. The oppressor wears a slightly different costume when operating here but employs similar tactics, as evidenced by the thuggery at the Toronto G20 gathering. I think the confiscation of an elderly man's artificial leg is a red flag in that regard.

[Kimberley]

Hey for those on this thread that are interested the World Peace Treaty can now be signed on line it was just posted a couple of hours ago...

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition..._PEACE_TREATY/

They are posting this in as many different languages as possible, obviously the above link is the english version.

Peace and love :grouphug:

[DeDukshyn]

Yes from citizens but not from rulers/leaders to the best of my understanding....

Thank you. Disappointing, but only a little surprising. This is the water to find out who is a good witch or a bad witch. So far they are all melting. LOL

I'd like to think that most people, even some world leaders, actually do want peace that is widespread and sustainable. What is lacking is the belief that it is possible. We see that harmonious co-existence is not only possible but preferable in small scale communities, but we have no historic recollection of the concept of world peace. Some may need a demonstration that it is more than a fantasy, even if they don't acknowledge that they must be part of that demonstration.

I agree and if it weren't for that pesky footage of them buggering some under-aged person, they might be able to sign it. Darn blackmail.

This came out half like a joke, but Modwiz is dead right. This is a huge problem with political and corporate leaders as well as with Hollywood and music celebrities. So many are under control due to fear from being lured into such situations. Its an epidemic, that the mainstream media is very selective about reporting on.

[sleepy]

xxxx xxxxxx

[Fred Steeves]

I will stand shoulder to shoulder with my insubordinent Americans...sleepy

Outstanding!

[eaglespirit]

Rather Fitting 'What Now?'...listen with an open-minded heart : )
Whatever You "Individually/Personally" feel about Clif...it is nevertheless a good delivery, imho!
.......

If You have an hour or so...Current Clif Thoughts and Suggestions:

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/wujo/clifswujo11232013challenge.mp3

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/index.html

[Calz]

Rather Fitting 'What Now?'...listen with an open-minded heart : )
Whatever You "Individually/Personally" feel about Clif...it is nevertheless a good delivery, imho!
.......

If You have an hour or so...Current Clif Thoughts and Suggestions:

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/wujo/clifswujo11232013challenge.mp3

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/index.html


Thanks so much for posting this Dan ... *very* interesting and thought provoking indeed :thumb:

Matters not if you "like" Clif or his work.

***adding***

Here is the interview Clif is referring to in the mp3:


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[blake]

As one of those who is in no position to leave the U.S., I am prepared as I can be for the hard times that I know are ahead. But, I can't help hoping that there is more than one 'William Wallace' out there who will ultimately stand up to lead the masses in our fight for Freedom...along with the hope that the masses who will rise up will number in the millions.

When will that be? Timing is everything.


Wouldn't that be nice if it were true that some people will stand up, and lead the masses to freedom? Why is it that the individuals who make up the masses don't take responsibility for the conditions that face them now? It would appear that it was just so much easier for these individuals to go along to get along, while enjoying eating the carrots that entrapped them. The individuals who make up the masses were told where all these carrots offered to them were all leading to. Yet, it would appear it was their choice to accept entrapment over freedom. It would appear their view might be something like: why take on individual responsibility when one can pray, and hope for a savior to right the wrongs that the individual chooses not to look in the eye at, and take proper action on. They seem to think: let someone else clean up the mess that all these individuals, the masses, are making. Now the mess is in our face. Now many seem to hope for saviors to get the masses out of what they themselves got themselves into. Do you really think the masses, with that type of mentality, deserve to be saved?

What have the masses learned so that they would know how to keep their freedom, and now choose wisely in their everyday action to keep their freedom and the freedom for the next generations? They have learned nothing, and just gossip about the outrage of it all that they themselves created. The masses will get what they deserve. Like the saying goes: people get the government they deserve. Our government is simply a reflection of the values of those they rule over, the masses. Our government is a reflection of the choice of action that the masses have made over the years to be where we are now. If the individuals, that make up the masses, don’t like where they are now, then what they are saying is that the really don’t like themselves very much.

Everyone wants to be saved, but few will do the every day work, year after year to make saving them worthwhile or even possible.

The masses will get what they deserve, for the choices they have made. They didn't act in consistent ways to keep their freedom, their privacy, their wealth, or their unalienable rights. Instead, most went along to get along with their continuing out of control governments, so now, the individuals, making up the masses, will all have to pay the piper. Just as when someone finally maxes out on their credit card, their food supply, their cash, the game is over, and they look for a savior to bale them out. Responsible people don’t live their lives that way. So the masses, the individuals who make up the masses, have not been responsible. So there comes a time when the government owns you lock stock and barrel. The individuals didn’t have to go along to get along, they choose to, whatever their excuses were. And you know what they say about excuses…………….. Eventually everyone has to face the consequences for their excuses for the poor, and often cowardly, lazy actions they choose. Hello Americans.

No one, in my humble opinion, is going to rise up to lead the masses, because the masses don't have the will power, the ethics, let alone the courage to do their part of the job in keeping their freedom. The masses had their window of opportunity for years. They just continued to eat the carrots from those in authority that were enslaving them. Now there will be no more carrots, just do what you are told, give them whatever you have, or see your children tortured as you are powerlessly locked away. There will be no savior. The only savior is the person looking in the mirror back at you. And most of those reflections were going along to get along, because it was so much easier than the inconveniences necessary for standing up for freedom and goodness.

No one is coming to save the “masses: by leading anyone into action. The psychological greediness and laziness in the average individual and their training to go along to get along, and pray to be saved is all it took to entrap you all into Check Mate.

Those in control will do quite nicely after a financial crash. Those who had the control before will even have greater control after the crash over an even more desperate society. Desperate people are so easy to manipulate, and so easy to kill.

No one is coming to save anyone. You are now on your own. Your small and very few communities will be like little ants that the powers that be will spray raid on. They have all the marbles, no matter what happens. No one is coming to save you. Look in the mirror, that is all you have. And if you are responsible for others, I do hope you are building your physical, mental and emotional muscles up.

Some people hide behind spirituality, and pray for a leader. Other people use spirituality as a tool to keep their emotions, and minds in check while they deal effectively with the challenges of this very real world we live in, where hunger, and radiation poisoning is a very painful way to die.

Looking to milk the system? That is always an easy out to rationalize, and refuse to see deeply how in doing so the covert currents are actually milking you. But some people don’t like to look at facts. They like to look at fairy tales and angels, and pray for someone to save the day.

No one is going to save or lead the masses out of this mess that the masses created. The individuals making up the masses will now have to pay the price for the choices they have made.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[eaglespirit]

Mr. Davis, Good Day to You...

My thoughts on your thoughts:

The "masses" co-created this 'mess' you speak of through 'sick' penetrated fraud and deception, well-planned and multi-level-manipulated for oh so long a time here...so it is simply for us older and more experienced souls(most all here at Avalon) to do everything we can come up with in an ever so good way in front of us...it will be 'intelligent-spirit-moved' change by US, each individually as we calmly see and initiate, the best we may, in each moment now in front of us!