Pete Santilli Outs Gordon Duff of Veterans Today with Recorded Call

[EnergyGardener]

"You Are Under a Psy-Op" -- Gordon Duff; Chief Editor for Veterans Today"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yWR3iSkk_lI

Pete Santilli also posts the VT Editorial Board, Operations & Managing Editors & International Bureaus / Correspondents on his website.

The subject matter is further discussed in episode #321 on January 19, 2013 with Dr. Morgan Reynolds, a former "W" Bush official and supporter of Dr. Judy Wood, "Where Did the Towers Go?"

http://petersantilli.com/

What percentage of the "Truth Movement" is telling a substantial portion of the Truth, but withholding critical information for our freedom, as a vital Psy Ops effort?

Are Peter Santilli, Dr. Judy Wood, Dr. Morgan Reynolds and Richard C. Hoagland, of only small group, attempting to provide the truth of our circumstance, and thus, its solution?

[grannyfranny100]

I am befuddle by the title...."Outs..Gordon Duff." I did not get the impression that Santilli was challenging Duff as a "bad guy" i.e. disinformation type. Instead their conversation seemed much more as a "hands across the ocean" dialogue which is certainly needed.

[CdnSirian]

I also am confused about this topic.

[gooty64]

Oops Grannyfranny, I don't think you listened all the way to the end.

Santilli was pretending to be "hands across the ocean" to get the info/disclosure from Duff.

Much of what Duff says is hard to understand without a transcript.

Santilli and a staffer have a short discussion after the phone call with Duff has ended. In this post-call chat Santilli makes numerous allegations about what duff has revealed during the phone call.

For example that Duff claims to be a 1%'er and that Duff made (veiled) threats and that Duff claims he could take people out for a $60 payment to a broke hitman.

[jagman]

During the interview Gordon says to Pete you dont know what your up against!You have brought a knife to a gun fight.Pete thought it was Gordon really making a veiled threat.

[EnergyGardener]

The conversation was 95% friendly, as was the helpful information from Duff. Please note the information Duff provided about Sandy Hook; which makes sense he would know that if you review all of his insider sources.

It's the veiled threat that outs him first. And, if you listen to further portions of the discussion that Santilli has made available, you will hear Duff explain that we do not deserve to know the truth and that 30 - 40% of what VT puts out are lies. It is important to appreciate that Santilli is trying to understand why Duff, Fetzner and other close associates of Duff, are not helping Dr. Judy Wood bring her evidence of 9/11 to the forefront. While they pretend to support her, they instead are discrediting her. Duff tries to explain why they aren't helpful—or more accurately—why they are lying instead of helping her awaken the American people with the truth about the presence and use of this energy for destruction, instead of for good.

You can listen to more of the Santilli-Duff conversation on the second part of Santilli's conversation with Suzanne on Spreaker yesterday:

http://www.spreaker.com/user/thepetesantillishow/the_pete_santilli_56

[gooty64]

Yeah, i'm not too sure about that Santilli guy and this is the first time hearing him.
And listening to the second link from the OP was intolerable and Santilli was sounding like a shock-jock jackass.
What a world:(

[EnergyGardener]

Yeah, i'm not too sure about that Santilli guy and this is the first time hearing him.
And listening to the second link from the OP was intolerable and Santilli was sounding like a shock-jock jackass.
What a world:(

Gooty, I can overlook his loud music, antics and a bit of paranoia, it might seem.... ....because I appreciate the 100% effort to deliver the truth. He admits that he is not diplomatic, but a "meat & potatoes" guy, a marine that will not surrender, particularly now that he knows the truth.

Besides, Pete heralds just a few of those that have and are laying everything on the line for us, such as Milton William Cooper and Dr. Judy Wood.

[NewFounderHome]

When you say "You Are Under a Psy-Op".

My question might be where is the hard core proof!

No because I don't believe your statement, but we might need more real proof.

Not political or media bla,bla.

[waves]

What percentage of the "Truth Movement" is telling a substantial portion of the Truth, but withholding critical information for our freedom, as a vital Psy Ops effort?

Are Peter Santilli, Dr. Judy Wood, Dr. Morgan Reynolds and Richard C. Hoagland, of only small group, attempting to provide the truth of our circumstance, and thus, its solution?

You bet! the Truth Movement has been very shrewdly implanted with witting or unwitting 'players' since day one and since, do you think there's any chance that grand opportunity would be ignored?

I don't know enough about Santilli or Reynolds, I trust Judy at this point, but I've viewed Hoagland as a player for a long time - definitely withholding, definitely craftily mixing fact/disinfo and doling stuff out in calculated pieces. Biggest red flag to me is anybody who is a Noory regular on C2C, practically anybody ever on Rense, but especially the high-repeat interviewees. I especially suspect anyone who avoids or won't say squat contrary to the 9-11 lie.

[modwiz]

Santilli is a word and light bending snake. He is disingenuous and has ended up outing himself. He is an elite shill. That is not to say he is wrong about much of what he has to say, but Gordon is a target of the problem and Santilli is counting on the brain dead masses following his lead. Why not? Most people still turn to the MSM for information. That is like going to a cesspool looking for a snack.

He took Gordon's words and set them in a way that could easily be misunderstood by those who do not know about him or about nuance.

[EnergyGardener]

Watch Dr. Judy Wood's videos, read her book or simply listen to the three episodes she did on Santilli's show.

I strive for the truth, overlooking the faults and mistakes other humans make along the way. Perhaps, then, others will overlook mine.

Time is short before this 'disarming' agenda / phase of the feds/cabal step things up further with more shootings and legislation. They know a substantial percentage of the population, even entire states, will fight back. We need real people that have the courage and ability to speak up, perhaps even while making us laugh. Pete Santilli does that for me and has performed a great service to humanity by just his recent acts alone.

[Referee]

Richard C. Hoagland Is MR DIS INFO what are you trying to say??????

[modwiz]

Yeah, i'm not too sure about that Santilli guy and this is the first time hearing him.
And listening to the second link from the OP was intolerable and Santilli was sounding like a shock-jock jackass.
What a world:(

Gooty, I can overlook his loud music, antics and a bit of paranoia, it might seem.... ....because I appreciate the 100% effort to deliver the truth. He admits that he is not diplomatic, but a "meat & potatoes" guy, a marine that will not surrender, particularly now that he knows the truth.

Besides, Pete heralds just a few of those that have and are laying everything on the line for us, such as Milton William Cooper and Dr. Judy Wood.

He is a snake hiding behind good names. How long it takes them to disavow him will show them for what they are too. This is fresh and they may not even know about the prestidigitation he performed here.

[modwiz]

Here is an article on this sh!tshow from Jim Fetzer, an Avalon member. Be warned it is on Veterans Today and may not meet with the OP's approval. This is the site of the "outed" Gordon Duff.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/01/20/lunatics-r-us-the-santilliwoodsunstein-gambit/

[modwiz]

Yeah, i'm not too sure about that Santilli guy and this is the first time hearing him.
And listening to the second link from the OP was intolerable and Santilli was sounding like a shock-jock jackass.
What a world:(

Good ears and perception, Gooty. I picked that up as soon as he started speaking and I had never heard of him either.

[EnergyGardener]

Very few Spread the Truth. Most destroy it with character assassination / distraction.

This is about Dr. Judy Wood and getting her evidence to the public. All else is noise, trying to keep you from that. Duff does to a degree, he attempted to explain why he supports that effort of distraction, while agreeing that she won, because she is right.

But Santilli rightly points out that while being right, Dr. Judy Wood has not yet won, because this power—making nuclear energy appear mere child's play—is still in the wrong hands.

[Selene]

Santilli “outs” Gordon Duff?

Sorry; I missed that impression. Duff still swings in a league ‘way beyond Santilli – or I‘ve missed the OP’s point here.

This is not to say that I consider Duff purely truthful. If so, he’d have been dead long ago. Nevertheless. Nothing here is ever that simple.

Yes: Judy Wood requires some protection – she’s an honest person in a dishonest jungle. She needs plausible denial as a protection; don’t f*k with it, nor anyone willing to offer same….

Yes: Gordon talks to Israeli agents. Duh.

Yes: not “telling everything you know” could be a survival mechanism for insiders. Again, duh….

As I’ve already said, I don’t get this. Gordon Duff is highly placed and – as such – he needs to ostensibly play both sides of the street. I cannot pretend to know anything about his true motivation or purpose, but in the meantime I will continue to include him in the realm of “occasionally useful” …..until shown otherwise. Each comment of his must be evaluated on its own merits. He will eventually need to feed us The Whopper as part of his pay. We can expect that. But in the meantime…? Each item paid separately.

That’s all I’m going to say.

Cheers,

Selene

[modwiz]

Santilli “outs” Gordon Duff?

Sorry; I missed that impression. Duff still swings in a league ‘way beyond Santilli – or I‘ve missed the OP’s point here.

This is not to say that I consider Duff purely truthful. If so, he’d have been dead long ago. Nevertheless. Nothing here is ever that simple.

Yes: Judy Wood requires some protection – she’s an honest person in a dishonest jungle. She needs plausible denial as a protection; don’t f*k with it, nor anyone willing to offer same….

Yes: Gordon talks to Israeli agents. Duh.

Yes: not “telling everything you know” could be a survival mechanism for insiders. Again, duh….

As I’ve already said, I don’t get this. Gordon Duff is highly placed and – as such – he needs to ostensibly play both sides of the street. I cannot pretend to know anything about his true motivation or purpose, but in the meantime I will continue to include him in the realm of “occasionally useful” …..until shown otherwise. Each comment of his must be evaluated on its own merits. He will eventually need to feed us The Whopper as part of his pay. We can expect that. But in the meantime…? Each item paid separately.

That’s all I’m going to say.

Cheers,

Selene

Gordon misleads on purpose. To get caught. Getting caught makes him a "fraud" and he is therefore made 'safe'. He knows how to stay alive. He made it out alive against one of the best armies to ever take the field.

Judy Woods seems to talk about what and stays away from who. Who is more important, IMO. Who opens the can of worms. What is a technicality.
She could very well be one hundred per cent correct about the technology used. The weapon a perp uses is not as important as knowing who the perp is.

I don't blame her for staying away from who. It will keep her alive. It is also a distraction from the more important information and serves as a smoke screen. Her being factually correct ( if she is) does not remove the obfuscation of who done it.

Who are the terrorists who used the "ray gun"?

[Flash]

I do not like Santilli, never likes him, i just cannot stand his voice and screaming and ranting. Not that bright either, my opinion of course.

[spiritguide]

Right on Modwiz, the shallow end of the pool is deceiving it's the deep end that has the survival info.

[Star Tsar]

I have never heard of Peter before but he is spot on about there not being a more important issue on this planet right now.
I am choosing the view that this episode is just down to a communication error.

Just my two cents

:)

[EnergyGardener]

I have never heard of Peter before but he is spot on about there not being a more important issue on this planet right now.

:)

This is true. Understanding the evidence, the "technicality" of how it happened, appreciating the universal complicity with the cover-up by those actually and pretending to be in power, awakens the taxed, impoverished, sick, chem-trailed, entertained, psy-opped, and flouridated masses.

This urgent importance of getting this information out there immediately is why it is so important to ask, Why are Gordon Duff, his partners and supporters so not interested in getting this information out? Why are they instead spending our valuable time doing the opposite of tarnishing the character and the efforts of those that do?

And, if we know a person admittedly lies about 30 - 40% of the information they print, as Gordon Duff claimed to Pete Santilli in their recorded call, then how is that person, and their organization, "Veterans Today" in this case, ever a credible source of information?

You can pretend that is to save their skin with a wink and a nod that you know what is true and what isn't. However, since we actually heard Gordon Duff admit that Dr. Judy Wood is correct, and since we know that Gordon Duff, who claims he has the financial capability to purchase banks, is working against Dr. Judy Wood instead of supporting her: We know that we can never trust the word of Gordon Duff and Veterans Today.

While that issue may not be quite as important as Dr. Judy Wood's information, it does "Out" them as an incredible source and certainly reinforces the answer to the question of "who" used the Ray Gun.

What is the mystery here? Is not "who" the same "who" behind the immediate effort / campaign to disarm law-abiding citizens, kidnapping and murdering children—and anyone else that gets in their way?

The good news (and kudos to Pete Santilli for instigating and then providing the recorded call): They are not always as clever as they pretend to be, demonstrated foolishly by Gordon Duff's arrogant and boastful claims of having the "world's best psy-ops" and "guns against knives."

In addition to appreciating that virtually 100% of our government officials have committed treason and violated their sworn oaths of office in virtually every way; we must also appreciate that the immediate public government efforts of disarmament, and the crimes perpetuated to accomplish that, openly identifies the top players of the "who" within our own so-called representative government.

It is interesting to observe the arrogant mistakes people make when they believe that their 'guns at the gunfight' will prevail against the truth, as Americans awaken. For, while they might have succeeded in physical control and dominance over humanity for thousands of years, they must realize that they will never maintain that control with our increasing knowledge and finally, against What is Right.

[aranuk]

I have listened to the both audios and Gordon Duff said that 40% of what he writes is deliberately false otherwise he would be dead. I am paraphrasing. How can anyone in their right mind trust anything he writes at all? I know my friend Modwiz thinks quite highly of Duff and I respect his opinions of him, but has Modwiz heard that clearly? The first audio was a bad recording and lots of what he said I couldn't hear at all. However that the Spreeker audio which Energy Gardiner gave us was very clear. I have no opinion yet of Pete Santilli this is the first time I have heard about him. He may be as Modwiz claimed is a snake.

Stan

[Star Tsar]

Yes I had heard that when it came out (disinfo or his life) but it had slipped my mind...
You know as I think about neither of these to fellows have done anything of real substance (as far as I know) so I have decided to withdraw my attention!

And just like that he vaniished.....

:crazy_pilot:

[Akasha]

Listening to it, I got the impression that Duff knew he was being recorded for future broadcasting by Santilli. After all who refers to the person they are in conversation with by their first and surname repeatedly unless it's "for the benefit of those that have just joined us"?

With that in mind, maybe Duff took an opportunity to come clean on a variety of hot potatoes but with the assumption that he was in private conversation as his potential future defense.

Duff's "handler" comment was telling too.

Regarding Duff's comments about Soros, he has been behind the pot legalization drive for over a decade now. :smokin:

Ultimately hats off to both of them from my corner. I'm glad to have had the opportunity to eavesdrop on that conversation. However, Santilli's drama queen antics after the fact don't do him any favours in my book.

[iceni tribe]

Gordon Duff , Jeff Prager ,Fetzer and a growing number of researchers are coming to the conclusion that only mini nukes or something similar brought the towers down.
Judy Woods book is excellent for showing that the destruction that day couldn't have been done by conventional means.
Unfortunately Judy was introduced to the Huchinson effect in 2006 by none other than Andrew Johnson and this is were her book falls apart.

Santilli the new idiot in town has sided with Judy Woods and has declared war on all the other theory's, he even accused Jim Fetzer as having a hand in Judy woods assistant Michael Zebuhr murder,in St. Paul, MN, on Saturday, 18 March 2006.


Santilli is a useful idiot for PTB and i hope one day he gets to wear a bright orange suit with the rest of the dis information brigade.

[EnergyGardener]

Judy Woods book is excellent for showing that the destruction that day couldn't have been done by conventional means.
Unfortunately Judy was introduced to the Huchinson effect in 2006 by none other than Andrew Johnson and this is were her book falls apart.

Santilli the new idiot in town has sided with Judy Woods and has declared war on all the other theory's, he even accused Jim Fetzer as having a hand in Judy woods assistant Michael Zebuhr murder,in St. Paul, MN, on Saturday, 18 March 2006.


Santilli is a useful idiot for PTB and i hope one day he gets to wear a bright orange suit with the rest of the dis information brigade.

Among the other issues that this thread and the recording demonstrate—for the Truth and the good of mankind, you are trying to get everyone to overlook that Duff said Dr. Judy Wood was right.

[EnergyGardener]

I do not like Santilli, never likes him, i just cannot stand his voice and screaming and ranting. Not that bright either, my opinion of course.

Again, classic disinformation distraction tactic of attacking the colorful "real personality" of a true patriot. Adrenalin is evident for sure.

I will always choose to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with a few fearless, real humans like Peter Santilli (and his team), than with tens of thousands of criminal-funded spineless treasonous cowards—all traitors to the citizens of this planet.

You can continue attempting to avoid the flood by with your fingers in the dike by your textbook responses of distraction to the truth; but the weight of the lies and tyranny of this large, rotten and hollow damn is too great—it will soon break.

[Alie]

I have listened to the both audios and Gordon Duff said that 40% of what he writes is deliberately false otherwise he would be dead. I am paraphrasing. How can anyone in their right mind trust anything he writes at all? I know my friend Modwiz thinks quite highly of Duff and I respect his opinions of him, but has Modwiz heard that clearly? The first audio was a bad recording and lots of what he said I couldn't hear at all. However that the Spreeker audio which Energy Gardiner gave us was very clear. I have no opinion yet of Pete Santilli this is the first time I have heard about him. He may be as Modwiz claimed is a snake.Stan

Hi Stan
Here is what I understand from this interview about Veteran's Today ... It is a forum (I think this would be a good word or maybe platform is better) that many spies/former spies/people in the know etc. can write their articles to "out" information. Gordon has said in more than one interview that those who write can write anything they wish without it being edited or censored. That is why there is disinformation on Veteran's Today. It's not necessarily Gordon Duff who is writing disinfo, rather it's the side effect of have a No-Censorship policy for the writers. That is why he said about 30-40% is "possibly" disinfo. Now this is the the story -- true or not true, just what I've heard him say.

Now folks can get angry at this fact but I appreciate that Veteran's Today exists, and I read many articles during the week, which otherwise would never be brought out to the public. Amazing stuff put out to veterans (people who probably REALLY love America and might be the ones to finally have enough).

[EnergyGardener]

Duff said VT readers do not "deserve" the truth.

How is that explained away?

[modwiz]

I have listened to the both audios and Gordon Duff said that 40% of what he writes is deliberately false otherwise he would be dead. I am paraphrasing. How can anyone in their right mind trust anything he writes at all? I know my friend Modwiz thinks quite highly of Duff and I respect his opinions of him, but has Modwiz heard that clearly? The first audio was a bad recording and lots of what he said I couldn't hear at all. However that the Spreeker audio which Energy Gardiner gave us was very clear. I have no opinion yet of Pete Santilli this is the first time I have heard about him. He may be as Modwiz claimed is a snake.

Stan

Duff tells us that as much of 40% of his info will be incorrect or misleading in some way. 40% is a top figure. Parsing language is its own art. Learning about admiralty law has been helpful there, LOL. Gordon knows that being able to be laughed at as someone who admits to mixing nonsense into his news keeps him alive and reporting. It keeps VT online. Plausible deniability gives the elite the out they need to allow him to do what he does. As Bill Ryan says, providing irrefutable proof of things is often very bad for ones health. VT is not for the weak of mind. That doesn't stop the feeble minded from going there. Let us face facts, exceptional intelligence is just that, the exception. Everyone else is average intelligence and below. It's just how it is.

[ThePythonicCow]

I am befuddle by the title...."Outs..Gordon Duff."
I just changed this thread's title from

Pete Santilli Outs Gordon Duff of Veterans Today with Recorded Call
to

Pete Santilli Recorded Call with Gordon Duff of Veterans Today

[ThePythonicCow]

I am befuddle by the title...."Outs..Gordon Duff."
I just changed this thread's title from

Pete Santilli Outs Gordon Duff of Veterans Today with Recorded Call
to

Pete Santilli Recorded Call with Gordon Duff of Veterans Today

A second change, now that I've listened to it: I added "(Judy Wood right!)" to the title. Both Pete Santilli and Gordon Duff were clearly supporting Judy here, and Gordon said outright that "time has proven her right."

There is a partial transcript of this recorded call (linked in this thread's first post) at: http://www.scribd.com/doc/121331717/You-Are-Under-A-Psy-Op-Gordon-Duff-Chief-Editor-For-VeteransToday-com

[hardrock]

This really outed no one, and was all what we figured it to be. I had already heard Gordon's statement on his opinion of the factual statements on his site VT. It is what it is, I suppose. IMHO, there is no place to get TRUTH that is reliable, and everyone seems compromised on any given topic. As I learned here on this site many years ago, discernment is your friend. It's an old saying that you believe none of what you hear and half of what you see. Those old timers were smarter than they seemed.

The quagmire in this, is that I don't want to shoot the messengers but most of the messengers are corrupt and you can't discern the difference without investing waaay too much time into it. There are a lot of brave people out there with a conscience, but at what point do we just throw our hands up and throw all the babies out with the bath water? I'm a history junkie and a truth seeker. I guess I picked the wrong interests, because these 2 seem more difficult than most!

[EnergyGardener]

Paul. Thanks for your attention to this thread, but the original Title should remain. You weren't listening close enough to the conversation if you sincerely do not believe that Gordon Duff and Veterans Today were outed.

But, perhaps the most interesting result of all good threads is to see who lines up where, how deafening the silence is from the majority and observing new tactics for message dilution.

This is my first experience having the title changed.

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul. Thanks for your attention to this thread, but the original Title should remain. You weren't listening close enough to the conversation if you sincerely do not believe that Gordon Duff and Veterans Today were outed.
Ah - I almost missed your reply (you didn't quote me, so I didn't get a PM telling me of the reply.)

I did listen to the end, and found his complaints that Gordon was threatening to assassinate him to not be persuasive, whereas I did find the passionate support of Judy Wood by both Pete Santilli and Gordon Duff to be quite persuasive.

I'll change the title back, though I think that the most substantive part of this interview is their support of Wood, not the complaints of a threat.

We do change titles now and then, to better reflect the content of a thread.

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul. Thanks for your attention to this thread, but the original Title should remain. You weren't listening close enough to the conversation if you sincerely do not believe that Gordon Duff and Veterans Today were outed.


I'll change the title back, though I think that the most substantive part of this interview is their support of Wood, not the complaints of a threat.

I resolved the difference in preferred emphasis between us on this video by reposting it again, in a new thread under the 9/11 sub-forum: Pete Santilli and Gordon Duff: Judy Wood was right! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54801-Pete-Santilli-and-Gordon-Duff-Judy-Wood-was-right-)

Just to be clear -- I am delighted that you posted this video, EnergyGardener. Thanks! I would have missed it otherwise, and it was one of the more compelling endorsements of Judy Wood's work that I've heard.