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ROMANWKT
25th January 2013, 10:45
This will be my final inquiry into the human potential, after pushing part 1 and 2 of what I had written as I felt majority of people here on Avalon did not click. Well I think that most, if not all had clicked, since the introduction to Lester Levenson, and so then a sort of final conclusion.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15834-Its-all-nonsense-part-1

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32896-MANIFESTING-IN-THE-MATRIX-its-all-nonsense-part-2

I want to thank here firstly Bob, Carmody, Greybeard(Chris) and lastly who I felt was on the right track (for me anyway) of his assessment of the mechanical approach by Levenson, and that’s SKAWF (Steve), though at the moment I may not agree with his estimated 4 steps in and 4 more to go. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54632-The-Mechanics-and-Psychology-of-it-all.&p=621666&viewfull=1#post621666

Going back 43 years, I had already read everything that I could lay my hands on, including a whole 10 volume encyclopedia page by page, all of it, and only moved on until what one was reading was understood, then moved to Psychology, Philosophy, Zen, and the Occult and everything you could imagine, nobody to refer to, completely alone in ones thoughts.

At the age of 30 things began to happen to me, I wanted to know the truth so much that I had constant pain in my abdomen and in my chest area that was unbearable, I craved for the answers to life and the universe, I craved for Knowledge to who and what I was, I craved and I craved. For 18 months I had from then suffered the most dreadful physical and psychological effects, all day long and all night long these voices kept lecturing me constantly day and night.

I could not work, my first marriage was breaking down as my wife then could not understand, and I could not tell her. I walked out of my job, and stayed out for 2 years, but these voices would not leave me alone, I just ended laying in bed with puss running from both of my eyes, I looked as if somebody had kept punching me, my eyes were completely swollen and bruised, I had sty’s and boils all over my face with constant puss just leaking out, It scared the hell out of my family, doctors did not know where all this was coming from, friends came, I could not hold a conversation, I began to talk in in riddles and in such depth that it blew them all away to this day.

These voices lectured me continuously as I said day and night I could not sleep, every time I went to sleep I could see them, one at each ear and two in front lecturing about the creation of earth and the universe, but in different ways every time, I never had fear of them, always dressed in different coloured long gowns like Christ is always portrayed, they were human with very pleasant faces, one was very aggressive but not frightening to me in anyway, he was dressed as a Viking, a giant of a man, kept hitting his sword on his half metal half wooden shield to get your attention while others were yapping away on each side of you, this went on for 18 months, then one day I snapped and told them all to piss off and leave me alone. I begged them and I begged them to leave me alone, slowly the voices started to subside, and slowly they stopped showing themselves less and less in my sleep, until another 18 months later, it all just stopped.

That was the end of that, and had cost me 3 years of my life, and its the only experience that I had ever had. My face and my health returned back to normal, found a new job, new life. Got divorced 11 years later amicably, had no kids, had inherited 4 kids by first wife, gave everything to her, kids grown up well, and started again from scratch, got a room and owned a small mattress 1fork, 1spoon, 1plate, and 1cup, that’s it. remarried 19 years ago, all is well.

This is me 4 years later after my experience, its the only photo I have after that, as you can see all healed, and in balance.


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So why am I telling you these thing, because I had never shared this with anybody ever, not even with my mother, who only died only 3 years ago, This sort of crap in ones life belongs here, not out there.

Knowledge is a most wonderful thing, look outside and see what we have created through knowledge, but knowledge is the biggest rabbit hole ever devised by the mind of man, for it is not a truth, but a creation. We can spend our whole life chasing the rabbit and never find ourselves, I created something that I at first, revelled in, wallowed in, and was in rapture with, that turned to a looped nightmare for me, and I had never done drugs, ever.

This reminded me when Bob was saying that we need to have strong desire and be humbled to that which we seek, but a desire into the minefield of mind was my downfall, desire misplaced, a desire in mind, not out of mind, big mistake. Sure I meditated, but got it wrong somewhere. No guide, no religion, no direction except from books.

I wonder if anybody has grasped where I am going with this, the mechanics of course. The bible is the book of mechanic that 7 billion people would translate it differently, the Koran, the hidden Cabbala, the inner club of the Buddhists, I did not want to join any of them, I had never joined anything in my life, until nearly 2 years ago at Avalon, it is the first joining for me though I had followed it since it started.

Later looked and understood (for me anyway) that there is mind and that there is the subconscious, mind is the your genie the creator, the subconscious is the memory storage of all your experiences created by mind, the subconscious will replay into mind your accepted recording as your looped reality, as on autopilot.

Your beingness, which is you yourself projects itself into mind the Matrix, where the matrix being a mathematical, fractal reflection steaming from your beingness, a projection that you call I, that I assumes an animated existence within the mind of the matrix, I assumes a body that can reproduce itself in this reflection, I is in the bubble of the matrix mind that we all share, as we are all a constant projection from our beingness living an illusional I reality. When we die, we drop mind the matrix, the illusional I, therefore having lost the projection from yourself your beingness of the illusional matrix mind, any false separation that may of had existed in the reflection as I (as you) would melt into your beingness that had itself (you) projected in this mind for what we call our reality and lifetime.

I do not believe that ones beingness is going home as they say, because beingness stems from another projection, another mind that would be the logos, a type of archetype, for a human spices, a clan that extends itself into beingness, that beingness projects itself into matrix individualised through by ones DNA codes. I also believe, that going beyond the logos lead to the source mind of all that is, some masters have pointed out that going beyond as up to 10th dimension, that still the source had not been found. Something is projecting, projections, of projections, from an original mind itself, that even your beingness is itself a projection from something greater.

Your potential lies in clearing the path to your creative mind, which is a projection from yourself, your beingness. Your genie your mind is interfered with by your subconscious memory that has been indoctrinated with false belief, until that path is cleared, you will not attain your full potential, hence levensons releasing and Ho, oponopono.

I am cutting this short, its to long.

Therefore knowing and understanding the mechanics, would firstly lead to more people to excelling in the matrix as human potential, and secondly would lead to understanding of the difference between mind and beingness, for one can only seek for that elusive truth through beingness, and not through mind as its only a creator and only returns what you have stored within your recording, your subconscious, hence caught in a loop as I had 33 years ago.

So to repeat the obvious to most of you here, removing the mind out of the equation when dealing within yourself as to your beingness and asking the question why? That’s why we have to still the mind completely, before we attempt to ask infinity of what is, rather than asking a creative mind who will create all the answers that you allow it to create, which are false. So meditation as taught by all, for thousands of years is the only ways to still the mind first and proceed.

I would like to finish with this video that was shown by our Chris, which amply answers all to me and the last answer to a question, which I am sure we with all the best intentions, fall into, as do I.

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Warmest regards to you all and thank you

roman

GarethBKK
25th January 2013, 12:24
"The place where thought recedes and wisdom emerges." See you there in peace, brother.

learninglight
25th January 2013, 12:31
Roman

I write this with a tear in my eyes and much love in my heart. Thank you for sharing with such openness and honesty


Much love to you as always my friend

:hug:

sharon

Journeyon
25th January 2013, 15:36
Thank you roman! Your insight and willingness to share offers a light on the path that we all are traveling upon.

The posts I have seen of yours offers such wisdom and a guiding call that offers us peace if we choose to look there. There is so much in the play of the physical that can trap us into focusing our creative power there, there, there... However as the I focuses so it creates! Your messages and my readiness have turned me more consistently in the direction of who I am and the power of my thought. Consciously being aware of how i am feeling and where my attention is at and feeling no resistance is offering a more consistent state of peace with what is. Love and compassionate allowing can then abide.

Your video attachment was so perfect! I feel as if it would be a good one to listen to every morning as I am getting ready to start my day. Reminding me to get the separate mind out of the way and greater knowingness to be.

In peace,
Journey on

ROMANWKT
25th January 2013, 16:53
Most grateful to you all for your kind word

warmest Regards as ever

roman

Ol' Roy
25th January 2013, 19:18
Dear Roman,

Thanks for your heartfelt synopsis of your life and some struggles. I to have been on the same path as you. I have"tried" many things to get out of this funk. Including programs on releasing. My downfall has been impatience, discipline, follow-through or what label you put on it! I want everything NOW!

When the going got tuff, I didn't get going!

You have renewed my interest Lester Levinson's work. Maybe, I am ready now. It sounds so simple. Clearing, releasing, forgiving. All terms for the same thing IMHO!

What a beautiful tool, if I would only use it!

I have a lot of respect for you, Greybeard, Another Bob, and Tony. Your words of wisdom
do inspire me.

I do encourage all Avalon members to check out Roman's post on hunan potential.

Take care, Roy

another bob
25th January 2013, 20:12
Hiya Roman!

Thanks for sharing your journey! For one thing, it can serve as a cautionary tale for those who imagine they can "do it on their own." It takes a lot more than reading a library of books and exchanging views on the internet, to really get to the bottom of things. Not that such tools and aids can't help, but ego-mind is a master deceiver, and we can easily be led into a lot of dead ends and unnecessary detours if we try to figure it out by relying on that mind.

This is why the great traditions of esoteric spirituality always recommend spending time with a qualified guide in real time -- someone who can accurately assess where we are really at, behind our masks, and having already made the journey to some extent, be able to direct us toward the avenues most appropriate and advantageous for our stage of growth.

It doesn't mean one need sign up for some club, or join an institution, but there is no substitute for a qualified mentor, face to face, at least at certain critical times on the way. A lot of pain and suffering can be avoided by working with a good teacher. Of course, that can also be a mine field, because there are far more frauds than true masters out there, but it's worth the effort to find a good guide, just as it would be if one were entering an unknown geographical territory, rife with traps and war zones.

Blessings!

ROMANWKT
25th January 2013, 20:24
Hiya Roman!

Thanks for sharing your journey! For one thing, it can serve as a cautionary tale for those who imagine they can "do it on their own." It takes a lot more than reading a library of books and exchanging views on the internet, to really get to the bottom of things. Not that such tools and aids can't help, but ego-mind is a master deceiver, and we can easily be led into a lot of dead ends and unnecessary detours if we try to figure it out by relying on that mind.

This is why the great traditions of esoteric spirituality always recommend spending time with a qualified guide in real time -- someone who can accurately assess where we are really at, behind our masks, and having already made the journey to some extent, be able to direct us toward the avenues most appropriate and advantageous for our stage of growth.

It doesn't mean one need sign up for some club, or join an institution, but there is no substitute for a qualified mentor, face to face, at least at certain critical times on the way. A lot of pain and suffering can be avoided by working with a good teacher. Of course, that can also be a mine field, because there are far more frauds than true masters out there, but it's worth the effort to find a good guide, just as it would be if one were entering an unknown geographical territory, rife with traps and war zones.

Blessings!

Yes Bob I most heartily agree with you, it was completely the wrong direction that I took and knew absolutely nobody who could direct or help then, nobody that I knew was into my things, totally on my own. we live and learn, and yes still learning, I do thank you for all your effort before Bob.

Warmest regards to you Bob and thank you

roman

4evrneo
25th January 2013, 21:55
Roman,
That was beautiful.
The video made me laugh out loud, and cry out loud.

Now, I need to get out of my way :)

Bless,
Annette

sandy
26th January 2013, 02:12
I am grateful you share Roman and more than that I value you and your intent. Your actions are Love in action IMHO :)

ROMANWKT
26th January 2013, 15:23
I just would like to thank you all for your great messages, and all your kind thought, I thank you all most sincerely, and am sending my most kindest regards to you all.

Thank you

roman.

Orph
26th January 2013, 15:58
Thanks ROMANWKT, for your various threads on this topic. I'm going through this mine-field ( or maybe it's a mind-field ), that you have traveled. And going it alone. As you and AnotherBob have mentioned, that isn't exactly the smartest thing to do. But being alone is the only thing I know. So, for the last couple of years I have relied on the good people here to help me learn. What a lifeline this has been. But, the energies are changing now. I don't know if it has anything to do with the whole "Dec. 21" circus or what. But a change, at least for me, is definitely afoot. I very much feel more positive energies now. My "aloneness", is becoming my strength, if for no other reason than I'm not inundated with all the other problems of the world. Not saying there still aren't problems in my world, but I don't feel like I'm just "stuck" anymore. I'm becoming alive again.

conk
27th January 2013, 17:43
As you have referenced Greybeard (chris), allow me to quote one of our favorite teachers, Dr. David Hawkins. "Just turn it over to God". We must stop searching and trying too hard, and just be. From the I perspective it seems depressing to think that all the knowledge, once obtained, will yield happiness and full understanding, but in the larger context it is so much fluff. The depths and levels may only be understood by the Source?

The sharing of your story is appreciated and cherished Roman. As are the lessons gleaned from your experiences.

greybeard
27th January 2013, 18:11
As you have referenced Greybeard (chris), allow me to quote one of our favorite teachers, Dr. David Hawkins. "Just turn it over to God". We must stop searching and trying too hard, and just be. From the I perspective it seems depressing to think that all the knowledge, once obtained, will yield happiness and full understanding, but in the larger context it is so much fluff. The depths and levels may only be understood by the Source?

The sharing of your story is appreciated and cherished Roman. As are the lessons gleaned from your experiences.

Thanks for sharing Roman--much appreciated

This is the late Dr Hawkins last book.
Ive just got my copy .
Dr Hawkins after his years of experience of using all kinds of therapy in his practice and the studying of virtually every method of bringing about relief from misery--physical--mental--emotional ----this method outlined in the book, he states, is the most effective in all areas of life be it business, relationship, personal, or spiritual.
Basically its surrender.

If you look at a resume of his career is awesome.

http://www.veritaspub.com/index.php?page=about

Chris

Letting Go: The Pathway of Surrender


Description...

The present work describes a simple and effective means by which to let go of the obstacles to Enlightenment and become free of negativity. During the many decades of the author’s clinical psychiatric practice, the primary aim was to seek the most effective ways to relieve human suffering in all its many forms. The letting go technique (surrender) was found to be of great practical benefit and is described in this book.


http://www.veritaspub.com/product_info.php?products_id=1042