Bleeding gums, possible causes and treatment?

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello folks,

I have bleeding gums and I would like know to what may cause this and how to cure it?

Searching Avalon I have found that oil pulling should help. I have tried that for one week but I did not see any difference...

So any help would be appreciated. :)

[PurpleLama]

http://heritagestore.com/categories/oral-care.html

Using IPSAB tooth powder and Ipsadent mouthwash from the above link completely cured my gum disease. Now, I love apples!

[Midnight]

Do you frequently floss? I floss after every meal, and my gums are very healthy.

[Ultima Thule]

C-vitamin 2-3grams a day, zinc 30-45mg to encourage collagen synthesis, proanthocyanine to strenghten capillaries.

UT
ps. this from the point of view of possible deficiencies

[Marianne]

You could try Myrhh essential oil. It's widely used in dental products.
Here's a website with some how-to on making mouthwash with essential oils.
http://www.oilsandplants.com/mouthwash.htm

[sigma6]

regular flossing... and rinsing after brushing

[blufire]

Hi Ilie,

You more than likely have gingivitis. It is from infected and irritated gum tissue.

Brush with food grade hydrogen peroxide and baking soda every other day, preferably before you go to bed. Put some peroxide in a small cup and dip your toothbrush in and put baking soda in the palm of your hand and dab the wet toothbrush in the soda.

Brush lightly and concentrate along your gums for several minutes. This will be difficult at first because your gums are so tender. Flossing always helps ;) and I would suggest you have your teeth professionally cleaned.

I do this several times a week . . . in fact I only use baking soda when I brush in the morning and at bedtime and only add the peroxide 2 or 3 times a week.

By the way . . if you only have hydrogen peroxide that you use to disinfect wounds, you can use this too . . . just dilute it with water 50/50.

Good luck

[Sidney]

MMS is suppose to be wonderful for mouth and gum issues. We know its not from gallstones, LOL since youve taken care of that!!

[Nick Matkin]

My dentist says bleeding gums are usually due to a build-up of plaque. This inflames the gums where they touch the plaque-coated teeth and then the gums bleed easily.

Proper, thorough brushing and the CORRECT use of floss removes the plaque.

Unless you have some other cause, I doubt you need resort to alternative medicines, but hey, I'm not medically qualified.

Can you get to a dentist for the correct advice and diagnosis?

Nick

[Ilie Pandia]

My dentist told me not to floss unless absolutely necessary, as flossing will hurt the gums.

She advised me to brush heavily around the gums even if they will bleed. This information seems contradictory, but I've long lost any faith in most doctors :(

I'll start looking into and trying out some of the solutions proposed so far.

@starchild111, yes I had hoped that getting rid of the toxins in the liver will improve the dental health as well, but it seems that is not the case :)

[Arrowwind]

Bleeding gums is caused by an infection and degrading of the tissues of the gums, with weakening vascularity to the tissues.. these microbes may or may not be able to be diagnosed by your dentist.

To cure this rapidly use MMS mouthwash. 3 drops activated into about 2 ounces of water. Rinse and spit twice a day till all symptoms are gone and then for 4 days after all symptoms are gone, then once a week for maintanence.

You can also supplement with 100mg of CoQ10 in made in an oil base. Open the capule and apply directly to gums then swallow. Do this two times a day. Also take 2 grams of vitamin c twice a day whole in capusle or tablet while doing these rinses to help regenerate the tissues.

You really want to get on top of this as oral health reflects overall health. You may want to do MMS protocol 1000 before all is said and done. Dont do vitamin c when you take mms internally.

I would hold on the flossing until your gums are stronger as it can damage weak gums and cut them. Purchase a very soft tooth brush and when you rinse your mouth with the mms use the soft brush to massage the gums and facilitate absorption of the mms into the gums. Keep your brush very clean with dipping it into mms.

Dont you have some mms Illie?

[leavesoftrees]

My dentist told me not to floss unless absolutely necessary, as flossing will hurt the gums.

This is not correct - you need to floss twice a day. You can also buy thin brushes designed to work between the teeth. These are good in combination
with flossing. Every so often using a tooth pick is good, using it to clean along the gum line, front and back for every tooth.

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Ilie, Ultima Thule said 'deficiencies' and from my experience that can be it, you had changes in your diet this last year, so you might want to have a blood test to see how you are doing with your iron levels, your B12 etc and supplement yourself in accordance, see if there are any changes.

MMS is wonderful for the health of the teeth and gums, I had quite a good results when I took MMS for a different purpose but the difference was very well felt.

[Daughter of Time]

My dental hygiene has always been impeccable and yet I had bleeding gums around 15 years ago.

What cured it was high doses of vitamin C - at least 1,000 mg. 3 x per day.

To help speed up the healing process I took one drop of tea tree oil and kept it in my mouth as long as possible, like up to 10 minutes and then spit it out, 3 times per day.

The bleeding stopped within a month and has never come back.

I don't use tea tree oil as a mouth rinse any more but I still take relatively high doses of vitamin C daily.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I do have MMS but was not clear for me how to use it for oral health. I'll give that a try as well.

Yes, I did change my diet but I have had tooth problems ever since I was a child, so if there are deficiencies are not from this diet change, but from previous eating habits.

As ridiculous it is to admit this, I may not know how to properly brush my teeth :becky:

What is puzzling to me is that I have friends that never brush their teeth and yet they seem to have no problems.

[Hip Hipnotist]

Dentists and doctors -- who needs 'em.

Thumbs up for the peroxide and MMS.

For years I've been utilizing an irrigator/Waterpik -- at least twice per day. Peroxide ( regular market/drugstore variety ) and water ( about 50/50 mixture ) and your mouth never felt so good. Talk about fizzing. You never knew you had so many nasty critters roaming your mouth, and that's when you're in good health.

Of course my mouth may feel great -- but I lost all my teeth! That's why I'm not smiling in that photo up there in the left corner. ;-(

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Ah, lighten up. I'm just joshin'. ;-)

DISCLAIMER: "Dentists and doctors -- who needs 'em."

You may very well need 'em. Especially the dentist. But when one says floss, another says don't floss; one says fluoride is beneficial, one says it's deadly; one says root canals are safe, one says the only safe canals are in Italy; you say tomatoe, I say tomotoe...

I just get out the kite string, tie one end around the problem tooth the other around the door knob ( just like in your favorite cartoons ) and SLAMO!! Problem solved. And what it cost ya?

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Yep, once again -- too much time on my hands. ;-))

[Selene]

Illie, if none of these suggestions seems to help and the problem seems to be more deeply seated, I highly recommend you get one of those inexpensive “UV blue light” devices that come with tooth whitener kits, and use it daily (just the blue light) for ten minutes for a few weeks, followed by once a week for a few months. These are incredibly cheap, noninvasive and beyond state-of-the-art effective.

Let me tell you my experience.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4350/teethwhiteningimage2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/11/teethwhiteningimage2.jpg/)
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9406/1280217146844hzcnmyalib.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/1280217146844hzcnmyalib.jpg/)

UV blue light is an utterly safe and highly effective germicidal and antimicrobial agent that penetrates beneath the skin to where the bacteria actually resides. It will destroy even drug-resistant bacteria and is now used for infection control in hospitals worldwide. http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/topics/ultraviolet-germicidal-light.aspx Scrubs, rinses and even gum surgery cannot do this as effectively. Some companies sell blue light devices for sterilizing large areas of equipment, kitchens, etc.

I’ve always had excellent dental care, regular teeth cleaning, etc. But one day my hygienist said “Hmmmm… Your gums are deteriorating, bleeding… don’t know why… but I’m sending you to a periodontist (specialist)” The periodontist examined my gums, found that some teeth were loosening due to deep pockets in the gums, and that I had experienced up to 90% bone loss in some places. This was serious indeed – however, no one could find any flaws in my hygiene or diet or anything. It just “happens”, apparently – could even be inherited because my mother had heavy tooth loss when she was young. I was put onto a strict program of regular periodontial cleanings, deep scraping, even flap surgery (twice!) over a period of several years – to no avail.

Finally, the dental surgeon had “the conversation” with me, explaining that there was nothing further he could do and I would almost certainly lose all my teeth sooner rather than later. We discussed dentures, implants etc. I was sickened at the thought, but he wanted to prepare me for the inevitable. I asked: Could I wait until they start to fall out? He said, sure. But let me take impressions now so that we can rebuild them as closely to the originals as possible.

So I thought, what the heck. I’ll enjoy my natural teeth while I still have them – and I bought one of those cheap tooth whitening kits off Ebay. It had a blue light, which supposedly accelerated the whitening. Whatever.

After using the kit weekly for three months, I went back to the surgeon’s hygienist for my regular checkup. She said: “Hmmm. Your gums look much better… no further deterioration…” I said: I’ve been using this blue light… it sterilizes… kills resistant bacteria. She was impressed, called the surgeon in to see. He shrugged. Didn’t listen to a word I said. Said “just a fluke…. you’re still going to lose your teeth…”

I came back again after six months. The hygienist was wowed. My gums were firmer, pinker, healthier. The depth of the pocketing was diminishing. The teeth were seated more firmly in the gums. She called the surgeon in again.

This time, he took one look and said: “What did you say you were doing, again?” Blue light… UV… antimicrobial…. I repeated. “Hmmm… I’ll have to look into this….” He urged me to continue using the device. (I was no longer using the peroxide gel.)

So when I went to my regular dentist for my semi-annual, I told him about the blue light. He said, oh yeah, I’ve just been reading something about the germicidal properties of UV blue light. I had to return the following week. He then told me that since my previous visit he’d run into the dean of the school of dentistry at the local university, and they had discussed UV blue light. The dean was quite knowledgeable and said there was a lot of interesting results coming there.

Then my dentist told me he’d now gotten one of those cheap blue lights to use for his own teeth!

Five years later, I still have all my own teeth, no longer have to see the periodontist – and use my blue light every two weeks, just to be sure.

PS. Be sure you get a BLUE light, not just an ordinary white LED. Read the description carefully before ordering on Ebay.

Cheers,

Selene

[sheme]

http://www.epic4health.com/gumdisease.html

Peace for teeth and gums friend.

[Arrowwind]

i just get out the kite string, tie one end around the problem tooth the other around the door knob ( just like in your favorite cartoons ) and slamo!! Problem solved. And what it cost ya?
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my mother did that to me... But they made me slam the door when i was ready!

[Arrowwind]

What is puzzling to me is that I have friends that never brush their teeth and yet they seem to have no problems.

Exactly. Dental health is not directly correlated to oral hygene. It is much more related to nutrition. When nutrition and mineral content and vitamins are in short supply, then the oral health will degrade allowing for the over growth of microorganisms.

Just look at the dental health of the tribe in Africa that has spectular teeth.. what was their name. the Maasai or something similar. They have few dental problems and have spectacular teeth. It is theorized that it is due to their drinking animal blood daily. Think of the raw food components found in that stuff. They actually milk the animals at the jugular vein daily. heres a video on it but I couldnt find anything relating to their superior dental health that I had read long ago.
http://www.adventureclassroom.org/cultures/maasai.htm

About two weeks ago someone came to me with what she thought was a root canal infection saying she was on her way to the dentist as she had had them before. I convinced her to delay her appointment and try the mms mouthwash. She had noticable swelling and redness to her jaw and significant pain. I told her to take Ibupfrofen 600mg 3x day for the inflammation (i prefer serrapeptase but none was available) and to do the oral mouthwash, telling her it might take up to two weeks. After 4 days she was on to the phase of using for 4 more days after all symptoms are gone. Now she is onto once a week for maintence. This is how it goes with mms... although I have advised on cases that did take 2 weeks . Theirs might have been much more severe I guess.

Hydrogen peroxide can do it too but its is my opinion that some microbes will either build a resistence to H2O2 or that the H202 cant penetrate sufficiently to get them all..probably the later not the former as it is oxidative, but especially from the products purchased from the drug store are poor quality. It is better to get pure pharmaceutical grade H2O2 and make your own 6% solution and dilute that 50% or 75% for oral care. Never take it full strength as it will severely burn. This product requires special handling.

Also with hydrogen peroxide, I have seen it degrade healing tissues, tissues called granulation tissue.. so this is why I stay away from it and also it is why many wound care specialists have moved away from it. Im sure it wont be a big issue on wounds that are on generally healthy tissue but if the tissue is comprimised in other ways say due to circulation or other disease you really want to say away from it and move to other oxidation therapies such as mms or ozone. H2O2 can also get old and hence not work as well. I wouldnt use it on grandma or grandpa. MMS is the superior wound care treatment but make sure you have the proper dilution and rinse it off after 3 minutes of exposure. Some people's skin is sensitive to it... me included., but many are not.

After all is well Illie, start using a xylitol based toothpaste, resume flossing and get yourself a set of dental picks for your own tooth cleaning. Unless you have serious issues you dont need a dentist nor the bill, for this procedure. Do it yourself.

[indigopete]

Dentists and doctors -- who needs 'em

Hi Ilie

I realise this answer isn't going to be too popular, but sod it - this is one of the areas where I have no hesitation in thoroughly recommending a solution from those nasty purveyors of mainstream medicine.

I've suffered from bleeding gums most of my life but I'm now free of them. They are usually caused by Gingivitis which is inflamed gums caused by plaque and bacteria living in the space between your gum and teeth.

The solution is to get your dentist to give you a good gouging out with a "scaling and root planing" service. With an anaesthetic it's not too unpleasant. Here you go . . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaling_and_root_planing

After you get that done it should be enough once your gums start to heal. To maintain them, just keep your teeth clean with interdental brushes that get between the gaps http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=interdental+brushes&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41642243,d.d2k&biw=1274&bih=1049&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=ZqAJUdGmJo2XhQeIkICIDA.

Finally, I would use an antebacterial toothpaste such as (...ducks to avoid incoming projectiles...) "Colgate Total". http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=264453998 I've used it for about 15 years without, as yet, any signs of oral cancer, calcified pineal gland or other spiritual decay. I could well have suffered some "dumbing down" but at least I'm blissfully unaware of it - and anyway, it's handsomely compensated for by the wisdom gleaned from these very forums :).

(Just don't swallow it that's all).

I doubt that any amount of lights, chemicals or potions is going to sort your gums if you don't get a good scraping out done first with some metal in that gap. (IMHO of course :)

Good luck !!

[Selene]

I doubt that any amount of lights, chemicals or potions is going to sort your gums if you don't get a good scraping out done first with some metal in that gap. (IMHO of course

Good point, Pete. I was getting that scraping below-gumline-cleaning every three months. It's pretty much the best thing they can do without outright surgery - which I also had. But IMO, the UV light tipped the balance so that my other treatments could be more effective.

Cheers,

Selene

[kersley]

Really?
I had gum disease gingivitis and through the years my gum resided. I lost a few tooth.
I used to brush my teeth 4-5 times a day. I been taking MMS for the past 2 years and my gums don't bleed and my tooth are now solid and not wobbly.
I have not been to the dentist since, this could be the reason why?? MMS??

[Sidney]

My dentist told me not to floss unless absolutely necessary, as flossing will hurt the gums.

This is not correct - you need to floss twice a day. You can also buy thin brushes designed to work between the teeth. These are good in combination
with flossing. Every so often using a tooth pick is good, using it to clean along the gum line, front and back for every tooth.


leaves of trees is right!! and IMO any dentist telling you NOT to floss should lose their license.

[christian]

Toothpaste with neem!

[Nanoo Nanoo]

brush lightly with circular motions. Floss daily or every second day. Do not push the floss all the way to the top of the gum line , this can detach the gum from the tooth.

Use bi Carb soda and small amount of Hydrogen Peroxide 6% by vol, tincture 10 ml Hydrogen Peroxide to 60 ml Water and 3 grams of Bi Carb. Lightly brush the teeth with this then rinse and gargle.

Naniu

[KiwiElf]

Hi Ilie - in addition to all the other great recommendations, a really good electric toothbrush (eg BRAUN Oral B) will do a much better job than a normal toothbrush. Get your dentist to show you how to use it properly tho.

If your're using a "normal" toothbrush, choose a soft or medium variety. DON'T brush left and right (as seen on sooooo many toothpaste ads: brush vertically away from the gum and very gently (not up and down ie top teeth brush downward, bottom teeth upward, tops of teeth - little circular motions.

Wait a couple of hours after eating food before brushing (or you may damage the enamel due to the acids from the food) but good idea to sloosh your mouth with water a few times after a meal - a few drops of the peroxide or other ingredients mentioned in earlier posts is good too (especially after eating fruit or sweet stuff).

Flossing: wrap the floss (waxed is better) around the side of each tooth with gentle but firm up and down motions, followed by a good rinse out after.

Hope that helps! :)

[silverstar]

I've been having dental issues as well. Had to have three teeth removed as older dental methods had gone bad. A particular type of procedure for root canal work is not used any more. They put some type of substance in the root and cut off the root ending. I can't get anyone to tell me what that substance was. Also, a dentist had put a peg in a back tooth to keep crown on the tooth and my tooth underneath was all broken up. Anyway, those little brushes for cleaning between the teeth are great, and if I had known about them I would have been using them long ago. I also had a tooth implant go bad...had to have it removed. I'm really freaked out. But I haven't minded living on liquids. Ensure...for sure. Feel like I'm ready for the nursing home. Good luck.:hurt:

[Arrowwind]

Really?
I had gum disease gingivitis and through the years my gum resided. I lost a few tooth.
I used to brush my teeth 4-5 times a day. I been taking MMS for the past 2 years and my gums don't bleed and my tooth are now solid and not wobbly.
I have not been to the dentist since, this could be the reason why?? MMS??

I do think that mms is the reason. Possibly Illie needs a scaling and if so it should be done, but many people with inflammed gums, that is not the issue. Such build up of plaque is the result of to many bacteria. It can also be related to stomach disorders.

[AriG]

brush your teeth with baking soda and peroxide. Floss every day. Purchase some gum massagers - basically an oversized rounded toothpick designed to increase blood flow to the gums.

Eat raw garlic whenever possible ( when you know you are not going public). Cottage cheese (organic, non gmo) is a great medium for getting it down and adds calcium. Greek yogurt works too.

Replace all greens with Romaine lettuce for a bit. This lettuce has most beneficial vitamins without negative side effects of heavier greens ( blood thickening kale, etc)

If you smoke, reduce your daily intake.

Get some vitamin C via whatever you like, but if you have high cholesterol, avoid vegetable juices high in vitamin K.

Chew on some raw potato.

And get a deep root dental cleaning. Avoid commercial toothpastes - they only worsen dental issues.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Hi Ilie

I second this reply. It fits well with what I would recommend. I had bleeding gums for years as a teen, and used all kinds of cleaning devices and peroxide to try to deal with the condition. It resolved only after I had my teeth descaled and started taking lots of vitamin C. Turns out the problem was scurvy.

Best wishes!



brush your teeth with baking soda and peroxide. Floss every day. Purchase some gum massagers - basically an oversized rounded toothpick designed to increase blood flow to the gums.

Eat raw garlic whenever possible ( when you know you are not going public). Cottage cheese (organic, non gmo) is a great medium for getting it down and adds calcium. Greek yogurt works too.

Replace all greens with Romaine lettuce for a bit. This lettuce has most beneficial vitamins without negative side effects of heavier greens ( blood thickening kale, etc)




If you smoke, reduce your daily intake.

Get some vitamin C via whatever you like, but if you have high cholesterol, avoid vegetable juices high in vitamin K.

Chew on some raw potato.

And get a deep root dental cleaning. Avoid commercial toothpastes - they only worsen dental issues.

[Daozen]

Some pretty solid advice above.

My take:

1) Bleeding gums might well mean Vit C deficiency. Best to take it in pure powder form. I'd say this is the first thing I'd try. See Linus Pauling, Klenner, Stone etc)
2) You can take one drop of MMS, dilute it, and use it as a mouthwash or to brush your gums. Don't over do it.
3) Raw CARROTS are very good for oral health as they provide exercise for the teeth, and a lot of nutrients. Guavas help too.
4) I would also get some sort of powdered herb and rub it directly on your gums. Cayenne, Coriander, Basil, etc... Try a few things.
5) Hydrogen peroxide is OK but can make your teeth hurt, make sure you dilute it a lot. It can be effective but you have to use extreme caution.

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MMS and Vit C can help the gums, but overuse can make the teeth sensitive, so:

1) Brush them directly into the gums, avoiding the teeth, and rinse properly afterwards.
2) Epsom salts (just a small pinch on a toothbrush, or as a mouthwash) really helps to rebuild teeth.
3) Xylitol can be great too.

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Get well soon!

[CurEus]

I has the same problem with gingivitis and bleeding gums for a while. I agree with much of what has been posted above, except for the cleaning under the gums by the dentist...there is no need imho. Here is what worked for me.

I cut out sugars, sodas, juice and all grains and had a thorough dental cleaning to remove tartar...a form of hard plaque..
The bacteria in your mouth thrive on sugars in any form and grains in breads are especially sticky and problematic.
I would use one of these sticks to clean in between teeth and dislodge any food that gets stuck between teeth. I find them much easier to use than floss which sometimes cut my gums. I had a problem with food collecting in behind my molars and the gums would swell.
http://www.dentalshop.co.uk/acatalog/Denti-Brush_Interdental_Sticks.html

After the "flossing" I would use a water pik with a cannula attachment...a cannula gets water up into the gum to flush out plaques.
Instead of water I used colloid silver in the morning and ozonated water in the evening. I would also hold a mouthful of silver or ozonated water in my mouth for a few minutes to kill off bacteria.
I also use an electric tootherbrush in conjunction with Dr. Katz's Mouth health System . His toothpastes and mouthwash actually contains a form of MMS. I only use it once in a while as it contains fluoride it is effective for bacteria control. http://www.therabreath.com
Remember to brush your whole mouth. Roof, cheeks, tongue, under the tongue behind the lips etc...I also massage my gums with my fingertips but I do not "brush them" with the electric toothbrush on as I wore away some of my gums by brushing "too aggressively" according to my hygienist.

Gum with Zyletol will kill mouth bacteria and help heal cavities. Dr. Ellie has some decent information and a program worth trying. http://www.drellie.com/

I added several vitamins including high doses of Vit C. & I began drinking bone broth and using grass fed butter and skate liver oil. 2 filling fell out and healed over...much to my dentists shock :) I no longer have plague at all when I follow this routine (or most of it) and a cleaning by the dentist takes 2 minutes and I'm done.

BTW!! MMS discoloured my teeth when I used it and also wore off some enamel...it must be very much diluted imho...
good luck!

[Daozen]

added several vitamins including high doses of Vit C. & I began drinking bone broth and using grass fed butter and skate liver oil. 2 filling fell out and healed over...much to my dentists shock I no longer have plague at all when I follow this routine (or most of it) and a cleaning by the dentist takes 2 minutes and I'm done.

Wow.


BTW!! MMS discoloured my teeth when I used it and also wore off some enamel...it must be very much diluted imho...
good luck!

Yes, you have to make sure the yellow drops are diluted until the water is clear.

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Banana skins also whiten teeth, plenty of vids on youtube.

[eva08]

JUst thought, since teeth cleaning was mentioned: I just recently heard from my dentist that a fluoride paste is used for buffing the teeth. I am going to request at the next teeth cleaning to not use this paste, but use some peppermint oil instead.

[Ilie Pandia]

My dentist told me not to floss unless absolutely necessary, as flossing will hurt the gums.

This is not correct - you need to floss twice a day. You can also buy thin brushes designed to work between the teeth. These are good in combination
with flossing. Every so often using a tooth pick is good, using it to clean along the gum line, front and back for every tooth.


leaves of trees is right!! and IMO any dentist telling you NOT to floss should lose their license.

Her advice may have been biased because my use of dental floss would remove some of her handy work and she would have to redo it for free :becky:

My teeth are tightly packed together, it's a real strain to floss them. I'll try those tiny tooth brushes but I seriously doubt they would fit in there.

Once a year I go to have tartar removed and have a professional cleaning. The procedure is painful and rather aggressive in my opinion and it does not seem to help.

Overall I am amazed with the amount of information you have posted here, much of it did not know about. So I'll start testing things out and will keep you posted as to what is going on!

PS: I am thinking that I should probably change my dentist... but every time I do, the new dentist complains what a poor job the old dentist did...

[EsmaEverheart]

Everyone has given you good advice so far. The only thing I can add is that you could rinse your mouth with warm salt water a few times a day. This will soothe the bleeding gums.

[conk]

Everyone, please do not use conventional toothpaste. The glycerin (lubricant) coats the enamel and prevent re-mineralization of the tooth surface. Major cause of cavities.

Xylitol sugar is a wonder product for dental health! My family chews xylitol gum daily. Do not discount the benefits of this sugar for dental health, and for sinus issues. Xylitol kills bad bacteria. Careful, as it is dangerous for dogs.

For bleeding gums my intuitive naturalist recommends White Oak bark. Break open the capsule and massage the bark all around the gum line. I do this nightly. Do not rinse it out, but sleep with it against the gums.

Also, as mentioned above Vitamin C is awesome for tooth and gums. Careful here too and maybe rinse with baking soda after a few minutes to neutralize the viatmin C acid.

[Ilie Pandia]

Everyone, please do not use conventional toothpaste. The glycerin (lubricant) coats the enamel and prevent re-mineralization of the tooth surface. Major cause of cavities.

I'd be very interested to read some documentation about this! I think someone else mentioned it on the forum before, but this is huge, if true. Not even the non-fluoride tooth-paste is glycerin free....

[conk]

Everyone, please do not use conventional toothpaste. The glycerin (lubricant) coats the enamel and prevent re-mineralization of the tooth surface. Major cause of cavities.

I'd be very interested to read some documentation about this! I think someone else mentioned it on the forum before, but this is huge, if true. Not even the non-fluoride tooth-paste is glycerin free....It is most certainly true, yes. There are several good brands who recognize this fact and do not use it. Coral White is one, as is EarthPaste. There are more. Truly, the teeth don't need any cleanser at all. Simple brushing and flossing is sufficient. For those who eat a poor diet, with junky products, likely do need a paste or cleanser. You can also use dental soap made of olive oil and peppermint oil. Not bad, but not pleasant. ;)

Dr. Weston Price (wrote THE book on nutrition) says that if we eat as indigenous peoples do, then no brushing is required at all.

[OnyxKnight]

She advised me to brush heavily around the gums even if they will bleed. This information seems contradictory, but I've long lost any faith in most doctors :(

In most cases, the gums not only inflame, but "inflate" too. The bacteria makes its way in some pockets under the gums, and the pockets get filled with blood, in which they grow/multiply. Your dentist gave you a good advice, getting rid of the blood in those areas would wash away most of the infection.

I used to have a severe problem with this, but its not that big of a deal today, there has been some progress using this advice, flossing, plaq liquids/mouthwash, and good thorough teeth brushing.

I'm not sure why I still seldom experience this, from time to time. It could be that I don't take vitamin C as much as I should lol.

[kintun]

Have you tried colloidal silver?
It is a powerful antibiotic. Not so common nowadays because the pharmaceutical industry left it aside when they developed other antibiotics.
Just pour 1 tbsp in a glass of water and wash your mouth with it several times a day. You can drink it also, if you think your disease is in another place too. It works great in soar measles, or cuts.

[yukondiva]

You have gingivitis the best thing would be to see a dentist then you will want to floss at least two times a day, if you do not see a dentist it will result in bone loss if you do not have that already, no treatment will reverse bone loss, do you feel a strange feeling in your mouth like a constant welll how do i say this, like something is eating your gums?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Butter oil ( activator X) and fermented cod liver oil its a blend (Blue ice royal) in one capsule made by Green Pasture, stopped my gums from bleeding, you might want to look the info Pete Peterson provided in his interview with Bill and Kerry ( ratfish/skateliver oil) as i understood however the Green Pasture stuff is one of the best on the market, MMSof course and colloidal silver might help too, you can take 5 to 5 gram quantities of ascorbic acid when you use colloidal silver. Maybe that helps you a bit.

[Flash]

Have you tried chewing sticks?

http://www.africantribalmusic.net/african-history/african-chew-sticks-traditional-toothbrush


Chew sticks have been used for centuries all over Africa as a means to clean teeth. Chew sticks are natural toothbrushes made from frayed sticks. Sticks and twigs are cut from various trees and bushes such as licorice bush, gum tree, and the Salvadora Persica tree which locals call “The Toothbrush Tree”. In fact, the World Health Organization promotes the use of the trigs of the Salvadora Persica tree as a natural toothbrush
see article for more info


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8wfZhMQo_s

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPZ7kOxo9II

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8wfZhMQo_s

[Dorjezigzag]

I Have seen that someone has already mentioned myrrh, I would confer about this and propolis. You can often get toothpaste that put these ingredients together often with fennel.

My girlfriend had a real problem with bleeding gums and everything the dentist recommended did not work, after my singing praises of the propolis myyrh toothpaste she reluctantly used what she calls my hippy toothpaste.

It worked for her and in no time her gums were better.

YOu can actually get tinctures of propolis which you could apply directly to the gums which I would think could be effective, I have used it effectively for mouth ulcers

[161803398]

I cured myself in a month with Eco-Dent mouthwash containing Co-enzyme Q10 and Echinacea AND my dentist --the ASSHOLE -- who was going to do the operation told me (after I had fixed problem myself - not before): "Oh, that's what I use". Jerk!

[Arrowwind]

[
My teeth are tightly packed together, it's a real strain to floss them. I'll try those tiny tooth brushes but I seriously doubt they would fit in there.

...

That your teeth are still tighly packed is a good sign. You've not yet had much gum errosion. Toothpicks can actually damage the gums, they are just too wide for most people to try to stick between the teeth and if you can get them in there I'd say watch out for developing problems. After the gums have shrunk from gum diseaes I dont really know if they can be fully restored. Id like to think so but not sure if it would be very common.

You've gotten so much good advice here Im expecting a positive report in about a month!

[Daozen]

Yes Flash those chewing sticks are great... cheap as well.

I think beneficial oral bacteria is pretty important. I drink Yakult now and then and it helps. Its probably not the best brand but its better than nothing.

Maybe you could make a mouthwash out of dilute natural yoghurt...

[Ilie Pandia]

You have gingivitis the best thing would be to see a dentist then you will want to floss at least two times a day, if you do not see a dentist it will result in bone loss if you do not have that already, no treatment will reverse bone loss, do you feel a strange feeling in your mouth like a constant welll how do i say this, like something is eating your gums?

Hello,

I don't think I am that far yet. I don't have the feeling you are describing. The only feeling I have in my mount is around some molars where extensive dental work has been done. It's like I feel those teeth are not mine, if it makes any sense :).

[Ilie Pandia]

[
My teeth are tightly packed together, it's a real strain to floss them. I'll try those tiny tooth brushes but I seriously doubt they would fit in there.

...

That your teeth are still tighly packed is a good sign. You've not yet had much gum errosion. Toothpicks can actually damage the gums, they are just too wide for most people to try to stick between the teeth and if you can get them in there I'd say watch out for developing problems. After the gums have shrunk from gum diseaes I dont really know if they can be fully restored. Id like to think so but not sure if it would be very common.

You've gotten so much good advice here Im expecting a positive report in about a month!

Yes, tooth are still firmly packed together, and they are rigidly fixed in the gums. There is no pain that I am aware of, but I cannot eat ice-cream or some sweet food without sharp pain in some molars.

I've started to wash with MMS and I also gently brush with baking soda. I am more conscious of the brushing process and I no longer do it on auto-pilot. I take the C Vitamin, the CoQ10 and some Zinc supplements. Doing careful flossing as well.

So we will see how this goes :)

I've collected (and still continue to do so) all the advice on this thread and I'll keep at it until I find something that will do the job!

[modwiz]

Myrrh gum is excellent for toning gum tissues. I had a chiropractor who has a similar problem and had excellent results with regular rinsing with myrrh gum extract. The gum used for incense can be sucked on/held in place while it dissolves also. Myrrh gum is not tasty, but much better than scotch IMO. The essential oil can be applied to the affected area and might be the easiest and most effective treatment.

[Arrowwind]

Myrrh gum is excellent for toning gum tissues].

Myrrh is a powerful antimicrobial. Myrrh combined with goldenseal applied topically can cure up a brown recluse bite fairly quickly.

[Daozen]

You can actually massage the Coq10 right into the gums. Same with the Vit C, but be careful and make sure not to hit the teeth. A zinc tablet in water would make a nutrient mouthwash...

[ThePythonicCow]

Exactly. Dental health is not directly correlated to oral hygene. It is much more related to nutrition. When nutrition and mineral content and vitamins are in short supply, then the oral health will degrade allowing for the over growth of microorganisms.
Yup.

My gums are a firm happy strong pink.

I brushed my teeth maybe twice in the last week, rather briefly both times.

I chew NOW brand vitamin C throughout the day (xylitol sweetened, which my gut is used to now), and supplement heavily the vitamins and minerals.

[Ilie Pandia]

Week 1 - Report.

Gums are now happy pink. They are no longer bleeding. As far as I am concerned is a dramatic improvement.

I will continue with the treatment for one more week.

Ah, I've also bought the Soladey ionic tooth brush. That may help as well, but I want to wait for at least a month before a definite report on that.

[Ilie Pandia]

Week 4 - report.

Today I went to the dentist. Some old dental work started to hurt pretty bad so I had no choice but to go. Apparently I'll have to get another "crown" and root canal work.

But something else has happened. For the first time ever the doctor did not complain about the very poor health of my gums :). She did not compliment me either, but she did not complain. And that is huge thing for me.

Previously she would always say my gums bleed to easily, they are not well, gave all kinds of tooth paste to try. Not this time.

[sheme]

But what do you think? and what have you actually done? I am delighted to hear of your progress friend peace to your mind and body.

[Ilie Pandia]

Oh I am very happy with the results and I was waiting for a dentist's confirmation and I got that today :) (I did not tell the doctor I no longer use the tooth paste...)

As in terms of what I did, the story is in this short thread, but to summarize:

- MMS Wash
- Hydrogen Peroxide
- Brushing Sodium Bicarbonate
- Got a Soladey Toothbrush (but I am not yet very convinced of its effectiveness)
- Flossing
- I've tried those inter dental tooth brushes, but teeth way too packed together for those to work
- I've supplemented with CoQ10 and Zinc, plus some general supplements that I had lying around.
- and of course plenty of Vitamin C

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Ilie, great to hear about your results, from my own experience - MMS is very good for strengthening the teath and clearing the gums from any bad bacteria. I am also brushing with only Sodium Bicarbonate and throw away any 'natural' toothpaste, next week I am about to visit a special biological dentist to hopefully replace my 9 (had 12!) mercury fillings which I feel were poisenous to me for many years now with white fillings. like you, I am also looking forward to see what the doctor's verdict will be about the health of my mouth. keep on doing what you did so far, since it seems to have worked well for you. great.

[MargueriteBee]

I had this problem a few months ago. Hydrgen Peroxide cleaned it right up. My gums don't hurt and my tongue is pink. I use it everyday as a mouthwash.


Hello folks,

I have bleeding gums and I would like know to what may cause this and how to cure it?

Searching Avalon I have found that oil pulling should help. I have tried that for one week but I did not see any difference...

So any help would be appreciated. :)

[sheme]

Just one thing I forgot to mention that is of importance --Nicotine/smoking causes healthy blood supply to gums to fail.

Thank you so much for the feed back Ilie -it is really great to know you improve. love to you friend.

[Lone Bean]

Have you tried colloidal silver?
It is a powerful antibiotic. Not so common nowadays because the pharmaceutical industry left it aside when they developed other antibiotics.
Just pour 1 tbsp in a glass of water and wash your mouth with it several times a day. You can drink it also, if you think your disease is in another place too. It works great in soar measles, or cuts.

I was going to mention colloidal silver. I read on another forum about some seriously good dental (gum) results when people rinsed this around their teeth. I make my own colloidal silver. It's so easy to do and so much better (and A LOT CHEAPER!) than what you can buy already made. The only dental problem I have is where my gums have slightly receded above the enamel line of a few of my teeth. It really makes me jump when the toothbrush hits those spots. I've been using the "sensitive teeth" toothpaste and it really works but when I go to the dentist and the hygienist starts scraping around I almost literally jump out of the chair. I've only recently started rinsing my teeth with colloidal silver in the hope that it will stimulate my gums to grow back over those areas where the dentin is exposed. Otherwise, I may have to stop going to the dentist if they don't stop scraping in those areas despite me telling them they are very sensitive.

I forgot to ask: What is MMS? ~thanks!~

[taotetim]

some great info here, a water pik helps alot i found floss can damage gums more when there fragile and bleeding, someone mentioned hydrogen peroxide and q10 enzyme, the have work for me too. namaste tim

[Unicorn]

Illie, if none of these suggestions seems to help and the problem seems to be more deeply seated, I highly recommend you get one of those inexpensive “UV blue light” devices that come with tooth whitener kits, and use it daily (just the blue light) for ten minutes for a few weeks, followed by once a week for a few months. These are incredibly cheap, noninvasive and beyond state-of-the-art effective. PS. Be sure you get a BLUE light, not just an ordinary white LED. Read the description carefully before ordering on Ebay.

Selene, I followed your advice and bought one of those cheap UV blue light devices. It has made such a difference! I have to say the results are incredibly good, in just a few weeks. And its so convenient and easy to use. Many thanks for your advice. I confirm it works wonders, and I recommend it to anyone.

Thanks again!

[HaulinBananas]

Illie, if none of these suggestions seems to help and the problem seems to be more deeply seated, I highly recommend you get one of those inexpensive “UV blue light” devices that come with tooth whitener kits, and use it daily (just the blue light) for ten minutes for a few weeks, followed by once a week for a few months. These are incredibly cheap, noninvasive and beyond state-of-the-art effective.

Let me tell you my experience.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4350/teethwhiteningimage2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/11/teethwhiteningimage2.jpg/)
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9406/1280217146844hzcnmyalib.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/1280217146844hzcnmyalib.jpg/)

UV blue light is an utterly safe and highly effective germicidal and antimicrobial agent that penetrates beneath the skin to where the bacteria actually resides. It will destroy even drug-resistant bacteria and is now used for infection control in hospitals worldwide. http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/topics/ultraviolet-germicidal-light.aspx Scrubs, rinses and even gum surgery cannot do this as effectively. Some companies sell blue light devices for sterilizing large areas of equipment, kitchens, etc.

I’ve always had excellent dental care, regular teeth cleaning, etc. But one day my hygienist said “Hmmmm… Your gums are deteriorating, bleeding… don’t know why… but I’m sending you to a periodontist (specialist)” The periodontist examined my gums, found that some teeth were loosening due to deep pockets in the gums, and that I had experienced up to 90% bone loss in some places. This was serious indeed – however, no one could find any flaws in my hygiene or diet or anything. It just “happens”, apparently – could even be inherited because my mother had heavy tooth loss when she was young. I was put onto a strict program of regular periodontial cleanings, deep scraping, even flap surgery (twice!) over a period of several years – to no avail.

Finally, the dental surgeon had “the conversation” with me, explaining that there was nothing further he could do and I would almost certainly lose all my teeth sooner rather than later. We discussed dentures, implants etc. I was sickened at the thought, but he wanted to prepare me for the inevitable. I asked: Could I wait until they start to fall out? He said, sure. But let me take impressions now so that we can rebuild them as closely to the originals as possible.

So I thought, what the heck. I’ll enjoy my natural teeth while I still have them – and I bought one of those cheap tooth whitening kits off Ebay. It had a blue light, which supposedly accelerated the whitening. Whatever.

After using the kit weekly for three months, I went back to the surgeon’s hygienist for my regular checkup. She said: “Hmmm. Your gums look much better… no further deterioration…” I said: I’ve been using this blue light… it sterilizes… kills resistant bacteria. She was impressed, called the surgeon in to see. He shrugged. Didn’t listen to a word I said. Said “just a fluke…. you’re still going to lose your teeth…”

I came back again after six months. The hygienist was wowed. My gums were firmer, pinker, healthier. The depth of the pocketing was diminishing. The teeth were seated more firmly in the gums. She called the surgeon in again.

This time, he took one look and said: “What did you say you were doing, again?” Blue light… UV… antimicrobial…. I repeated. “Hmmm… I’ll have to look into this….” He urged me to continue using the device. (I was no longer using the peroxide gel.)

So when I went to my regular dentist for my semi-annual, I told him about the blue light. He said, oh yeah, I’ve just been reading something about the germicidal properties of UV blue light. I had to return the following week. He then told me that since my previous visit he’d run into the dean of the school of dentistry at the local university, and they had discussed UV blue light. The dean was quite knowledgeable and said there was a lot of interesting results coming there.

Then my dentist told me he’d now gotten one of those cheap blue lights to use for his own teeth!

Five years later, I still have all my own teeth, no longer have to see the periodontist – and use my blue light every two weeks, just to be sure.

PS. Be sure you get a BLUE light, not just an ordinary white LED. Read the description carefully before ordering on Ebay.

Cheers,

Selene

This thread came to mind when I saw this short youtube video about how photons affect the body - in this video - improve healing:

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This thread has been a very helpful resource and I hope this will add to it.

[Unicorn]

Following this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66916-IODINE-the-most-misunderstood-nutrient-Dr-David-Brownstein&p=777898&highlight=iodine#post777898 I started to have a natural source of iodine (kelp and fucus algae). Now I've noticed that just a couple of weeks after taking this supplement, my gums didn't bleed any more. I've also noticed other benefits since. It seems that there's a generalised iodine deficiency everywhere. There are many symptoms associated with this deficiency. Among others, sore gums.

[enfoldedblue]

I had a quick scan of all the responses here, and there is some great advice. I was however, very surprised that there was nothing on oil pulling (though I could have missed it)! I started oil pulling about 5 mos ago. At first I found it a bit difficult to do, but after a few goes it became easy and just part of my morning. Now I wouldn't go without it.


What is Oil Pulling?

Oil pulling is an age-old remedy that uses natural substances to clean and detoxify teeth and gums. It has the added effect of whitening teeth naturally and evidence even shows that it is beneficial in improving gums and removing harmful bacteria!

The basic idea is that oil is swished in the mouth for a short time each day and that this action helps improve oral health. Just as with Oil Cleansing for the skin, the principle of “like dissolves like” applies, as oil is able to cut through plaque and remove toxins without disturbing the teeth or gums.

The practice of oil pulling started in India thousands of years ago, and from my research, was first introduced to the United States in the early 1990s by a medical doctor named Dr. F. Karach, who used it with success in his medical practice.

I found hundreds of testimonials online from people who experienced benefits from oil pulling, including help with skin conditions, arthritis, asthma, headaches, hormone imbalances, infections, liver problems and more.
http://wellnessmama.com/7866/oil-pulling-for-oral-health/

Within a week of starting I noticed my gums looked and felt amazing. At first Tom wasn't attracted to the practice, but once he saw how it changed my gums and whitened my teeth he was totally sold. After he had been doing it for about a month he went to see his dentist. His dentist was so impressed with the results he said he was going to tell his colleague who was a periodontist (sp) so that he could recommend the practice to his patients.

From what I have read the health benefits of the practice go beyond oral health. From what I understand overnight our mouth fills with toxins that our body is trying to eliminate. Most of us in the morning drink something and swallow all these harmful bacteria back into our system. Oil pulling works similarly to oil in a car the oil picks up all the toxins and debris and then (after 20 min) we spit it out and effectively rid of a big toxic load.

I use sole (a salt water mixture where the water has reached maximum salt saturation---point where salt no longer dissolves) to rinse my mouth after.

I use coconut oil, but the traditional oil is sesame (haven't tried)

Here are a few more links:

http://www.examiner.com/article/oil-pulling-science

http://www.naturalnews.com/040293_oil_pulling_cognitive_decline_home_remedies.html

[pumashared]

hate to join so late and i see alot of good responses. my dad is a trained dentist although he no longer trusts the medical system he does still have some great insights.

here is what i highly recommend and is very cheap and quick. after brushing your teeth hold warm water in your mouth and start rubbing your gums with one finger(like if u were brushing your teeth with a finger). do this for 3 minutes. I guarantee you, that you will see some great improvements.

[STR]

Hello folks,

I have bleeding gums and I would like know to what may cause this and how to cure it?

Searching Avalon I have found that oil pulling should help. I have tried that for one week but I did not see any difference...

So any help would be appreciated. :)

When your gums bleed it is because you are not properly cleaning your mouth after eating. The blood is irrigating the areas out telling you something is not right. Brush and floss at least once per day. They will continue to bleed for a time at first. Once you get them clean where the body can heal this will stop. Ignore it over long term it can lead to longer term issues requiring a perio specialist. You don't want that. Floss is much cheaper. Rinse a lot. Use non sugar drinks.

[DarMar]

This is kinda weird?

Was reading through thread and actually no one offered applicable solution that is NOT synthetic.
So much about manifesting consciousness and our dependance and curved look at our roots.
Our roots are from nature, not light machines or peroxide chems.

I have solution for all those who are willing to try walk natural path. you can even document those, it will be fun.

soulution is simple and maybe in you garden and is called WHITE OAK.
yup, a tree...

Lemme start from somewhere more concrete.. I was abuser of coca cola, poor diet, tobacco, coffee and stuff that rottens teeth and gums.
had gone to dentist and asking for help, but answer was: you need to pull this one, this one and this one out... almous all of them.
Horrible truth was that i didn't have single healthy tooth inside me. And that is because i never used toothpaste (i love my brain), but my teeth suffered a lot.
Whenever i would ask dents, is there actually a paste without flour i'd got insta smash with his eyes and no valid answer...

i was looking for alternate to pulling out parts of my body so started wondering around. Somehow one night i got not strong tooth pain and bleeding gums that tears flowed by themselves, not by me or, simply from pure unstandable pain. Not interesting experience as i was stabling through house to find salt or something that would cure it.. but nothing helped and it got only worse.
In that moment i went out of house, to be honest this was too intuitive action from me and i wasn't really active in thinking, just doing.. Since i live in forest i went into some deeper and stopped in from of white oak tree.
I stood and looked at it and it's leaf looked like teeth to me, its acorn visualised as a hard teeth.
than i asked gently tree if it could help me and cure me. I took few young branches and few of old one from bark itself (black ones). went home put them in teapot and cooked, not till point of total bowling but just few moment before
boil point. Water was dark-yellowis, similar to piss. So i took that into mouth (ofc i cooled it first) and started to wish wish around mouth. Now this is fun, effect was instant!
Than i took cooked part of bark and started chewing on it, it was wiry nice and soft, but it eased pain and sweat. Than i have bitten hard that bark enters every pore of tees and where i had caries n stuff.

In one hour my gum was back on place, without seating, without pain and without blood.
I stood amazed, and my next move was to go google about power of bark tree.. and what stories i could find. I was amazed even more!
There are thousands of guides, ways, testimonies to make it even better than just my plain simple cooking way.

You can peel bark off, dry it to point when you can crumble it into powder and you do just that. Make powder from it with which you can brush on teeth and that is a story how i came to start brushing my teeth again :)

But best way to brush teeth is chewing white oak branch, and you do it until ends of bark loosens and they start to look like brush. Please do try clean teeth and plagued places with that soften branch.
You will se that in 2-3 week carries and plague is GONE!

i don't need dentist and he hates me now.
One other interesting thing started to happen, i have feeling that my cavities in teeth are filling themselves somehow and i can feel repairing going on.

You can try google more about this theme, i can't suggest any specific link but you will find tons of nice info, and if not.. all I told is valid, and actually all info you will ned to help with teeth problem.
One thing i would suggest tho. try not to make it complicated, i saw for example people mixing white oak with soda bicarbona and some essential oils to get "perfect paste"..

Me, I'm just still cooking branches, drinking that tea from it and i do powder because you will soon find out how powerful nature is and keeping it as simple is possible. Because we do not need to fight to breathe, it is far more simpler...
Friend had hemeroid problem so i gave him this powder too.. he couldn't believe it.


Can't wait to hear experiences!

p.s- thanks Flash for post on chewing branches, that is it!

[Unicorn]

DarMar,

Your experience is just amazing! BTW, where I live I can't find white oak easily. Do you know of any reliable web where I can buy it? Thanks in advance.

[Swan]

Hello Unicorn,

Dr Christophers " Tooth and Gum Powder" contains white oak.

[Loren]

Last year my dentist said my gums were in rough shape, I used wooden tooth picks. He gave me some soft gum plastic ones and now they are in great shape.Comes with a nice little travel case as well. I also run my tooth brush under hot water to soften the bristles. L

[GreenGuy]

I have brushed my teeth with tea tree oil and baking soda for more than 20 years. My dad tried to get me to use it way back in the 60s but I hated the taste. I also had gum disease, the dentist wanted to do surgery on them - in your dreams, doc! Now I use a mix of tea tree and myrrh oil in my homemade toothpaste, and it works great.

[Bob]

Hello folks,

I have bleeding gums and I would like know to what may cause this and how to cure it?

Searching Avalon I have found that oil pulling should help. I have tried that for one week but I did not see any difference...

So any help would be appreciated. :)

Hi Ilie -

Hip Hipnotist posts exactly what is the correct preventative maintenance treatment. The water pick irrigator is the ultimate in gently getting the bacteria and food particles out from the gums and between the teeth.

The immune system tries to go after the bacteria, and the only way is to bleed to deal with the bacterial enzymes which eat away the teeth, and try to create an infection.

To treat the infection, as yucky as it sounds, Chlorhexidine Gluconate solution, called PERIDEX is the recommended medical treatment. What that will do is create an environment where the bacteria suck up the antiseptic (which that stuff is). It is a sugar which the bacteria prefer over the sugar they are getting from your blood and the food particles. The bacteria though don't survive, and expire.

The gums where they have been damaged, and no doubt receding, are stimulated by this stuff to re-grow healthy. Deep pockets in the gums will heal most likely in 2-6 months. This particular antiseptic will also work on skin wounds anywhere, not just the mouth. The ability to cause the tissue to heal and close holes and gaps, is important. I have not seen that happen with ANY natural oils (which while killing the bacteria, they cause skin damage to the basal cells). This stuff has performed miracles.

The waterpick is better than flossing because of the mechanical issue of more damage, and pushing the bacteria into the bloodstream. Normally when the gums are not bleeding flossing is a good way to get the plaque away from the tooth surface, but it does PUSH the plaque into the gum deeper. Waterpicking causes the embedded gum plaque (whence mechanically loosened to be flushed). When it is flushed away, a syringe with a tip applicator to put a few drops in the affected areas lets the substance get to where it has to do its clearing of the bacteria.

Diet as mentioned, the addition of vitamin C is important.

BUT particular bacteria can be a situation where the bacteria are a different strain than the normal mouth bacteria.. This I suspect is the chronic issue. There are ways to switch mouth bacteria to healthier strains, and they will the go after the nasty stuff.

One last thing, and folks on the forum suffering from migrains, nasty headaches, jaw aches, and optical hallucinations (part of the migrains)...

The two top teeth and the two bottom teeth, the canines, when the nerves there get inflamed, they WILL cause migrains. That inflammation causes the nerves to expand, get irritated, and a histamine reaction happens. Fix those teeth, get the hidden bacteria food particles out and you will see a massive improvement in lack of headaches and migrains, and jaw pain.

Between the canines and the first premolar the nerve is accessed - both sides of that canine, it must be clean, no bleeding, no nerve inflammation..

Ilie, with the chlorhexidine gluconate inside of 4 hours you will note a healthy difference.

The size of the molecule is large enough that it will NOT pass in to normal healthy cells, but bacteria eat it up.. It will restimulate tissue healing rapidly..

Bob

PS - I know folks insist on natural stuff, but in critical situations, there are ways to get assistance fast, heal and then switch to natural methods.. As Ilie pointed out some of the natural methods didn't do the job. My point precisely. Find the right tool, use it. Find the reason what went wrong, solve it. (Identify step), then maintain the working solution. - best..


http://chanlo.com/images/canine.jpg

[Inaiá]

Hello folks,

I have bleeding gums and I would like know to what may cause this and how to cure it?

Searching Avalon I have found that oil pulling should help. I have tried that for one week but I did not see any difference...

So any help would be appreciated. :)

It would be nice to see how are your nutrients levels. My sister had bleeding gums due to an unsuspect and serious lack of vitamin D.
Propolis: In my family we use propolis to cure cold sore, acne, tonsillites, chilblein... It is an excelent anti-bacterial and antifungal substance. Although we buy at the farmacy the version that comes with a little bit of alcohool in it, its natural curative properties are scientifically recognized. Some Info (http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%B3polis) in brazilian portuguese about that.

Will look at the Chlorhexidine Gluconate solution, Bobd. Seams efective with the bonus of rehabilitating the tissues...


PS - I know folks insist on natural stuff, but in critical situations, there are ways to get assistance fast, heal and then switch to natural methods.. As Ilie pointed out some of the natural methods didn't do the job. My point precisely. Find the right tool, use it. Find the reason what went wrong, solve it. (Identify step), then maintain the working solution. - best..

I agree. Technology is not something evil. Materialism is not in things. "Everthing is a tool, what matters is the way we use it"... and our posture before the universe, others and ourselves. Technology doesn't automacally disrupt one's spirituality and can be well aplied in our human lives. Sure we are in baby steps in our sciences and we have a lot to learn and to improve on it. Sure also, our society needs to recognize and cultivate its natural cradle (we all know that and are in our way, as fast as we can). But this, by no way, should mean to abandon the good that can come from the rightly applied technology. Let's unite ourselves, helping each other in absolutly every way we can. Peace.

[DarMar]

Bobd very thanks for descriptive post.

since my first left upper cannine got scratched, real pains actually started. Actually i broke tip of it, those upper ones was anyways too long :)
Anyways i didn't quite did any medical research as I live from young days an intuitive way, the less explained definitions and principles makes me conclude better.

So did for the oak principle..
I had real sweaten bleeding gums, when i gargled tea from branches, sweat was retracted in matter of hours.
Than i took branch and started scratching in between gums and teeth,
one would expect pain from that area but nor even pain and single drop of blood was on that branch.
I did the same with ordinary toothpick and i had one special made by myself a plastic one.. but i was just scratching the teeth and that is irritating to them.

What actually happens when you brush white oak?
You get purest most natural form of vitamines and chems you need for teeth to recover! so it is not just scratching.

a short description quote:

Medicinal Properties
The active ingredients in oak bark are tannin and quercin. Quercin is similar in effect to salicin and is used along with bioflavinoids to strengthen the capillaries and veins. White oak bark also contains ample amounts of calcium, manganese, potassium and magnesium. Its primary therapeutic properties are astringent and antiseptic. A few of oak’s other properties—haemostatic (arrests internal bleeding), febrifuge (reduces fever), diuretic, anti-emetic (relieves malarial-type fevers and chills), and anti-venomous (antidote for poisonous plants, insects and snake bites.)

As i said i was not curing healthy state i had to prolly pull every single teeth in my mouth. State was critical, and you know wen you came to dentist with critical teeth?
he won't even give you a shot if tooth is infected, right?

Well i eased pain, cleaned it and it worked, simple as that. Now all teeths since that day are much harder and they are completely white... while i'm still into coffee and tobacco.
Funny thing yesterday i ended to see my old friend which has very critical state in his mouth, similar as mine was. I suggested it to him and he will start with it so i will get to see results from other hand soon too.

One more good thing is that i started to drink tea from branches. I just cook them in water and no additives in there, and i must admit it tastes great.
I don't drink it every day i think it would not be too good, but has some effect of cleaning internal of body.

The key thing is things that makes white oak so great such as potassium, magnesium and calcium and all of that.


I found one interesting from which i quoted above also:
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20060703.htm (http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20060703.htm)



Your experience is just amazing! BTW, where I live I can't find white oak easily. Do you know of any reliable web where I can buy it? Thanks in advance.

Unicorn, from some readings over web i read that branch of a walnut could be very similar.
Found this link with few branches with antimicrobal properties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teeth_cleaning_twig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teeth_cleaning_twig)

[gripreaper]

I've just read all the threads here on gums and teeth, and I'd like it if more people would share their experiences.

I've got receding gums and a mouth full of amalgam, and find it difficult to maintain a good oral hygiene protocol. I'm interested in oil pulling as well as the UV device, as they seem simple enough. For me, simple is best. I've brushed my teeth with an electric toothbrush using MMS, and used a water pic too, but still my receding gums do not grow back and I have these inner crevices exposed where it is really difficult to keep clean. I get discouraged.

I'm heading out to get some sesame oil (oil pulling) and a UV teeth kit. I gotta do something.

[Elainie]

http://www.orawellness.com/

I love the above system, it's what I use. I used to oil pull but no longer have the time.

[conk]

Sorry if mentioned already, but White Oak Bark was offered to me by an intuitive healer. Also, vitamin C deficiency can lead to a faulty gum line. Food grade hydrogen peroxide will kill off bad bacteria, while oxygenating and reviving good bacteria. No mouth wash ever!!!