IceCube Neutrino Observatory: Deep Space Gamma Detector or Nuclear Blast Detector? You choose...

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edit @ friday: If you read the below posts very closely, you will see the evidence that a gamma detector is really a 1st stage nuclear bomb detector, and can sense gamma before the big boom and activate the big shields, I think-- !

Tell me if you like my theory that the particle detectors in Antarctica and Mediterranean sea are really nuclear bomb gamma ray detectors , LOL

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I wanted to ask the Avalon community if they were familiar with the Icecube Neutrino Observatory that was built recently in Antarctica.

The idea is this (roughly): the ice provides a wonderful insulator, blocking lots of "harmful" or "interfering" radiation while allowing chargeless neutrinos to quickly pass through.

http://imageshack.us/a/img24/5356/icecubeu.png

Suspended in the ice in Antarctica are a number of ruggedized, spherical computers, installed via a sophisticated machine that boils liquid and makes a very precise (and deep!) hole in the ice.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/ICECUBE_dom_taklampa.jpg/220px-ICECUBE_dom_taklampa.jpg

This device is not alone in its generation. I read last year that such a contraption is being built in the Mediterranean sea on behalf of Israel and perhaps some partner nations.

Well, my question is this: if these things were really for what people say they are, detecting gamma from stars and black holes, etc., I don't think Israel would be wasting money on them. I think these things are precise remote nuclear detonation detectors.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Operation_Upshot-Knothole_-_Badger_001.jpg/250px-Operation_Upshot-Knothole_-_Badger_001.jpg

I would not be surprised if a nuclear bomb lets off many sorts of particles maybe even to include neutrinos. I don't know this for sure. But it seems that any particle detector worth its salt could detect the presence of a nuclear reaction, even across the globe.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Advanced_Test_Reactor.jpg/250px-Advanced_Test_Reactor.jpg

I heard that the one down south focuses on the Northern Hemisphere.
The one in the Middle East, who knows. I have no idea what they are looking at or why.

I just wanted to give a heads up.

You know, there are people who can detect Cherenkov radiation emitted by such a reaction. Not everyone, and although I jokingly refer to it next to my avatar, I have no idea who is able to do this, except that I read, the particles result in a strobing blue light on the human retina.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/imgrel/cerenkov.gif

So keep in mind, your own eyes and brains can detect the presence of certain types of unseen radiation. By seeing the path left (in the future and past!) by the atypically fast moving particle.

Neutrinos typically travel faster than other particles through a medium because they are unimpeded.

To be continued, I hope.

P.s. my air national guard unit was involved with missions to transport scientists related to these remote projects.


Thanks for reading. <3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IceCube_Neutrino_Observatory for more reading


The IceCube Neutrino Observatory (or simply IceCube) is a neutrino telescope constructed at the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station in Antarctica.[1] Similar to its predecessor, the Antarctic Muon And Neutrino Detector Array (AMANDA), IceCube contains thousands of spherical optical sensors called Digital Optical Modules (DOMs), each with a photomultiplier tube (PMT)[2] and a single board data acquisition computer which sends digital data to the counting house on the surface above the array.[3] IceCube was completed on 18 December, 2010, New Zealand time.[4]

DOMs are deployed on "strings" of sixty modules each at depths ranging from 1,450 to 2,450 meters, into holes melted in the ice using a hot water drill. IceCube is designed to look for point sources of neutrinos in the TeV range to explore the highest-energy astrophysical processes.

The IceCube project is part of the University of Wisconsin–Madison projects developed and supervised by the same institution, while collaboration and funding is provided by numerous other universities and research institutions worldwide.[5] Construction of IceCube is only possible during the Antarctic austral summer from November to February, when permanent sunlight allows for 24 hour drilling. Construction began in 2005, when the first IceCube string was deployed and collected enough data to verify that the optical sensors worked correctly.[6] In the 2005–2006 season, an additional eight strings were deployed, making IceCube the largest neutrino telescope in the world.

The IceCube Neutrino Observatory is made up of several sub-detectors in addition to the main in-ice array.

AMANDA, the Antarctic Muon And Neutrino Detector Array, was the first part built, and it served as a proof-of-concept for IceCube. AMANDA was turned off in April 2009.[citation needed]

The IceTop array is a series of Cherenkov detectors on the surface of the glacier, two detectors approximately above each IceCube string. IceTop is used as a cosmic ray shower detector, for cosmic ray composition studies and coincident event tests: if a muon is observed going through IceTop, it cannot be from a neutrino interacting in the ice.

The Deep Core Low-Energy Extension is a densely instrumented region of the IceCube array which extends the observable energies below 100 GeV. The Deep Core strings are deployed at the center (in the surface plane) of the larger array, deep in the clearest ice at the bottom of the array (between 1760 and 2450 m deep). There are no Deep Core DOMs between 1850 m and 2107 m depth, as the ice is not as clear in those layers.

Look closely:


Experimental goals

[edit]Point sources of high energy neutrinos
A point source of neutrinos could help explain the mystery of the origin of the highest energy cosmic rays. These cosmic rays have energies high enough that they cannot be contained by galactic magnetic fields (their gyroradii are larger than the radius of the galaxy), so they are believed to come from extra-galactic sources. Astrophysical events which are cataclysmic enough to create such high energy particles would probably also create high energy neutrinos, which could travel to the Earth with very little deflection, because neutrinos interact so rarely. IceCube could observe these neutrinos: its observable energy range is about 100 GeV to several PeV. The more energetic an event is, the larger volume IceCube may detect it in; in this sense, IceCube is more similar to Cherenkov telescopes like the Pierre Auger Observatory (an array of Cherenkov detecting tanks) than it is to other neutrino experiments, such as Super-K (with inward-facing PMTs fixing the fiducial volume).

IceCube is sensitive to point sources more in the northern hemisphere than the southern. It can observe astrophysical neutrino signals from any direction, but in the southern hemisphere these neutrinos are swamped by the downgoing cosmic-ray muon background. Thus, early IceCube point source searches focus on the northern hemisphere, and the extension to southern hemisphere point sources takes extra work.[11]

Although IceCube is expected to detect very few neutrinos (relative to the number of photons detected by more traditional telescopes), it should have very high resolution with the ones that it does find. Over several years of operation, it could produce a flux map of the northern hemisphere similar to existing maps like that of the cosmic microwave background, or gamma ray telescopes, which use particle terminology more like IceCube. Likewise, KM3NeT could complete the map for the southern hemisphere.

IceCube scientists detected their first neutrinos on January 29, 2006.[12]

Gamma ray bursts coincident with neutrinos

When protons collide with one another or with photons, the result is usually pions. Charged pions decay into muons and muon neutrinos whereas neutral pions decay into gamma rays. Potentially, the neutrino flux and the gamma ray flux may coincide in certain sources such as gamma ray bursts and supernova remnants, indicating the elusive nature of their origin. Data from IceCube is being used in conjunction with gamma-ray satellites like Swift or Fermi for this goal. IceCube has not observed any neutrinos in coincidence with GRBs, but is able to use this search to constrain neutrino flux to values less than those predicted by the current models.[13]

Indirect dark matter searches

Weakly interacting massive particle (WIMP) dark matter could be gravitationally captured by massive objects like the Sun and accumulate in the core of the Sun. With a high enough density of these particles, they would annihilate with each other at a significant rate. The decay products of this annihilation could decay into neutrinos, which could be observed by IceCube as an excess of neutrinos from the direction of the Sun. This technique of looking for the decay products of WIMP annihilation is called indirect, as opposed to direct searches which look for dark matter interacting within a contained, instrumented volume. Solar WIMP searches are more sensitive to spin-dependent WIMP models than many direct searches, because the Sun is made of lighter elements than direct search detectors (e.g. xenon or germanium). IceCube has set better limits with the 22 string detector (about 1⁄4 of the full detector) than the AMANDA limits.[14]

Neutrino oscillations

IceCube can observe neutrino oscillations from atmospheric cosmic ray showers, over a baseline across the Earth. It is most sensitive at ~25 GeV, the energy range which Deep Core will be able to see. IceCube can constrain θ23. Deep Core will have the full 6 strings deployed by the end of the 2009–2010 austral summer. As more data is collected and IceCube can refine this measurement, it may be possible to observe a shift in the oscillation peak that determines the neutrino mass hierarchy. This mechanism for determining the mass hierarchy would only work if θ13 is sufficiently large (close to present limits).

Galactic supernovae

Despite the fact that individual neutrinos expected from supernovae have energies well below the IceCube energy cutoff, IceCube could detect a local supernova. It would appear as a detector-wide, brief, correlated rise in noise rates. The supernova would have to be relatively close (within our galaxy) to get enough neutrinos before the 1/r2 distance dependence took over. IceCube is a member of the Supernova Early Warning System (SNEWS).[15]

String theory

The described detection strategy, along with its South Pole position, could allow the detector to provide the first robust experimental evidence of extra dimensions predicted in string theory. Many extensions of the Standard Model of particle physics, including string theory, propose a sterile neutrino; in string theory this is made from a closed string. These could leak into extra dimensions before returning, making them appear to travel faster than the speed of light. An experiment to test this may be possible in the near future.[16] Furthermore, if high energy neutrinos create microscopic black holes (as predicted by some aspects of string theory) it would create a shower of particles; resulting in an increase of "down" neutrinos while reducing "up" neutrinos.[17] There is no group within the IceCube collaboration working on tachyons, travel through extra dimensions, or observations of microscopic black holes.

Results

The IceCube collaboration has published flux limits for neutrinos from point sources,[18] Gamma-ray bursts,[19] and neutralino annihilation in the Sun, with implications for WIMP-proton cross sections.[20]

A shadowing effect from the Moon has been observed.[21][22] Cosmic ray protons are blocked by the Moon, creating a deficit of cosmic ray shower muons in the direction of the Moon. A small (under 1%) but robust anisotropy has been observed in cosmic ray muons.[23]

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here is one of the canadian ones: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudbury_Neutrino_Observatory It got shut down when the new one was made

The Sudbury Neutrino Observatory (SNO) is a neutrino observatory located 6,800 feet (about 2 km) underground in Vale Inco's Creighton Mine in Sudbury, Ontario, Canada. The detector was designed to detect solar neutrinos through their interactions with a large tank of heavy water. The detector was turned on in May 1999, and was turned off on 28 November 2006. While new data is no longer being taken, the SNO collaboration will continue to analyze the data taken during that period for the next several years.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c4/Sudbury_Neutrino_Observatory.artist_concept_of_detector.jpg/220px-Sudbury_Neutrino_Observatory.artist_concept_of_detector.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Sudbury_sno.jpg/220px-Sudbury_sno.jpg

I am not sure if it was because of the heavy water or the imprecision, that it was shut down.


The SNO detector would have been capable of detecting a supernova within our galaxy if one had occurred while the detector was online. As neutrinos emitted by a supernova are released earlier than the photons, it is possible to alert the astronomical community before the supernova is visible. SNO was a founding member of the Supernova Early Warning System (SNEWS) with Super-Kamiokande and the Large Volume Detector. No such supernovas have yet been detected.

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read this bit a few times over and over and memorize it:

"neutrinos emitted by a supernova are released earlier than the photons"

It could almost say, "neutrinos emitted by a nuclear blast are released earlier than the photons"

and that is precisely why I brought this thread to your attention, Avalon :painkiller:

"nuclear blast releases faster than light particles in a non vacuum"

I think they are lying about tachyons, what about you guys?
I think they exist and can be detected.

I think in fact that you could see a tachyon storm whether or not the event that precipitated them actually occurs.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova_nucleosynthesis

Supernova nucleosynthesis is the production of new chemical elements inside supernovae. It occurs primarily due to explosive nucleosynthesis during explosive oxygen burning and silicon burning.[1] Those fusion reactions create the elements silicon, sulfur, chlorine, argon, sodium, potassium, calcium, scandium, titanium and iron peak elements: vanadium, chromium, manganese, iron, cobalt, and nickel. As a result of their ejection from individual supernovae, their abundances grow increasingly larger within the interstellar medium. Heavy elements (heavier than nickel) are created primarily by a neutron capture process known as the r process. However, there are other processes thought to be responsible for some of the element nucleosynthesis, notably a proton capture process known as the rp process and a photodisintegration process known as the gamma (or p) process. The latter synthesizes the lightest, most neutron-poor, isotopes of the heavy elements.

A supernova is a massive explosion of a star that occurs under two principal scenarios. The first is that a white dwarf star undergoes a nuclear based explosion after it reaches its Chandrasekhar limit from absorbing mass from a neighboring star (usually a red giant). The second, and more common, cause is when a massive star, usually a red giant, reaches Nickel-56 in its nuclear fusion (or burning) processes. This isotope undergoes radioactive decay into Iron-56, which has one of the highest binding energies of all of the isotopes, and is the last element that can be produced by nuclear fusion, exothermically. All nuclear fusion reactions from here on are endothermic and so the star loses energy. The star's gravity then pulls its outer layers rapidly inward. The star collapses very quickly, and then explodes.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova

A supernova (abbreviated SN, plural SNe after supernovae) is a stellar explosion that is more energetic than a nova. It is pronounced pron.: /ˌsuːpərˈnoʊvə/ with the plural supernovae /ˌsuːpərˈnoʊviː/ or supernovas. Supernovae are extremely luminous and cause a burst of radiation that often briefly outshines an entire galaxy, before fading from view over several weeks or months. During this short interval a supernova can radiate as much energy as the Sun is expected to emit over its entire life span.[1] The explosion expels much or all of a star's material[2] at a velocity of up to 30,000 km/s (10% of the speed of light), driving a shock wave[3] into the surrounding interstellar medium. This shock wave sweeps up an expanding shell of gas and dust called a supernova remnant.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Teller-Ulam_device_3D.svg/250px-Teller-Ulam_device_3D.svg.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon

A nuclear weapon is an explosive device that derives its destructive force from nuclear reactions, either fission or a combination of fission and fusion. Both reactions release vast quantities of energy from relatively small amounts of matter. The first fission ("atomic") bomb test released the same amount of energy as approximately 20,000 tons of TNT. The first thermonuclear ("hydrogen") bomb test released the same amount of energy as approximately 10,000,000 tons of TNT.[1]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Teller-Ulam_device.png

Thermonuclear bombs work by using the energy of a fission bomb to compress and heat fusion fuel. In the Teller-Ulam design, which accounts for all multi-megaton yield hydrogen bombs, this is accomplished by placing a fission bomb and fusion fuel (tritium, deuterium, or lithium deuteride) in proximity within a special, radiation-reflecting container. When the fission bomb is detonated, gamma rays and X-rays emitted first compress the fusion fuel, then heat it to thermonuclear temperatures. The ensuing fusion reaction creates enormous numbers of high-speed neutrons, which can then induce fission in materials not normally prone to it, such as depleted uranium. Each of these components is known as a "stage", with the fission bomb as the "primary" and the fusion capsule as the "secondary". In large, megaton-range hydrogen bombs, about half of the yield comes from the final fissioning of depleted uranium.[8]



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If you read the above very closely you will see the evidence that a gamma detector is really a 1st stage nuclear bomb detector, can sense gamma before the big boom and activate the big shields, I think :flame:

tell me if you like my theory that the particle detectors in antarctica and mediterranean were really nuclear bomb gamma ray detectors LOL




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teller-Ulam_design

The remaining secret: how the secondary is compressed

The basic idea of the Teller–Ulam configuration is that each "stage" would undergo fission or fusion (or both) and release energy, much of which would be transferred to another stage to trigger it. How exactly the energy is "transported" from the primary to the secondary has been the subject of some disagreement in the open press, but is thought to be transmitted through the X-rays which are emitted from the fissioning primary. This energy is then used to compress the secondary. The crucial detail of how the X-rays create the pressure is the main remaining disputed point in the unclassified press. There are five proposed theories:

Neutron pressure from the primary explosion. This was allegedly Ulam's first concept and was abandoned as unworkable.
Blast wave from the primary explosion. This was allegedly Ulam's second concept and was abandoned as unworkable.
Radiation pressure exerted by the X-rays. This was the first idea put forth by Howard Morland in the article in The Progressive.
X-rays creating a plasma in the radiation case's filler (a polystyrene or "FOGBANK" plastic foam). This was a second idea put forward by Chuck Hansen and later by Howard Morland.
Tamper/Pusher ablation. This is the concept best supported by physical analysis.

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So if a nuclear bomb is brought to thermonuclear conditions by X ray bombardment (gamma),

it stands to reason that a gamma detector isn't just for string theory research and nonsense like that,

but for pinpointing a nuclear process before it's reached a critical point, so the device can be halted or destroyed.

i hope i don't get destroyed. LMAO

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edit: bleh i think the story in this post was fake, it was a link to a site i think that was discredited, claiming an iranian nuke facility got hit

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=241236.msg1401698;topicseen#msg1401698


But here is my old thread on prisonplanet about IceCube:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=161700.0

The Observatory That Can Tell the Future: IceCube Neutrino Observatory
« on: March 01, 2010, 12:27:56 AM »

and my deleted wordpress story:

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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54747-Breaking-Iran-Nuclear-Plant-Attacked-1-24-2013&p=629021#post629021

maybe i should not have discredited this story!
no wonder nuclear stuff is on everyone's mind @.@!!!!!!!!!!

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http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-flaws-found-us-missile-shield-081826501--politics.html



APNewsBreak: Flaws found in US missile shield
By DESMOND BUTLER | Associated Press – 5 hrs ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Secret Defense Department studies cast doubt on whether a multibillion-dollar missile defense system planned for Europe can ever protect the U.S. from Iranian missiles as intended, congressional investigators say.
Military officials say they believe they can overcome the problems and are moving forward with plans. But proposed fixes could prove difficult. One possibility has been ruled out as technically unfeasible. A second, relocating missile interceptors planned for Poland and possibly Romania to ships on the North Sea, could be diplomatically troublesome.
The studies are the latest to highlight serious problems for a plan that has been criticized on several fronts.
Republicans claim it was developed hastily in an attempt to appease Russia, which had opposed an earlier system. But Russia is also critical of the plan, which it believes is really intended to counter its missiles. A series of governmental and scientific reports has raised questions about whether it would ever work as planned.
At a time that the military faces giant budget cuts, the studies could lead Congress to reconsider whether it is worthwhile to spend billions for a system that may not fulfill its original goals.
The classified studies were summarized in a briefing for lawmakers by the Government Accountability Office, Congress' nonpartisan investigative and auditing arm, which is preparing a report. The GAO briefing, which was not classified, was obtained by The Associated Press.
Military officials declined repeated requests to discuss the studies on the record, noting they were classified. Even speaking on condition of anonymity, officials declined to say whether the GAO accurately had reported its conclusions. But the briefing had been reviewed by several Defense Department officials and the revisions they requested were incorporated. There was no indication they had objected to how the studies had been described.
The officials who spoke to the AP emphasized that the interceptor intended to protect the United States is in the early stages of development and its capabilities are not known. They said that the U.S. is already protected by other missile defense systems. Even if European-based interceptors are unable to directly defend the United States, they say they would protect not only European allies and U.S. troops stationed on the continent, but also U.S. radars there that are necessary for all U.S. missile defense plans.
Missile defense has been a contentious issue since President George W. Bush sought to base long-range interceptors in Central Europe to stop missiles from Iran. Some Democrats criticized the plans, saying they were rushed and based on unproven technology. Russia believed the program was aimed at countering its missiles and undermining its nuclear deterrent.
It might seem logical for the U.S. to want to have a defense against Russian missiles, but it's not that simple.
A new missile defense system aimed at Russia could undermine the balance between the nuclear powers, leading Moscow to add to its arsenal and build up its own defenses. It would undermine prospects for further cuts in nuclear weapons, which are a priority for President Barack Obama, and could hurt U.S.-Russian cooperation on other issues of international importance.
Obama reworked the plans soon after taking office in 2009, saying the threat from long-range Iranian missiles was years off. His plans called for slower interceptors that could address Iran's medium-range missiles. The interceptors would be upgraded gradually over four phases, culminating early next decade with those intended to protect both Europe and the United States.
The plans have gained momentum in Europe with the signing of basing agreements in Poland, Romania and Turkey, as well as backing by NATO.
Russia initially welcomed the plan, but now strongly opposes it, especially the interceptors in the final stage. Russia fears those interceptors could catch its intercontinental missiles launched at the U.S.
It is that fourth stage that is now at issue.
The GAO investigators said that the classified reports by the Missile Defense Agency concluded that Romania was a poor location for an interceptor to protect the U.S. It said the Polish site would work only if the U.S. developed capabilities to launch interceptors while an Iranian missile was in its short initial phase of powered flight.
But the administration is not pursuing that capability because it does not believe it is feasible, according to one senior defense official.
The military has considered deploying interceptors on ships, but the Navy has safety concerns that have not yet been resolved. The suggestion of attempting intercepts from ships on the North Sea probably would aggravate tensions with Russia. That could put it right in the path that some Russian ICBMs would use, further reinforcing Russia's belief that it, not Iran, is the target of the system.
The GAO investigators also took the administration to task for not conducting studies earlier that could have revealed the problems. Reports by the GAO and scientific bodies advising the government have raised other concerns about the missile shield, citing production glitches, cost overruns, problems with radars and sensors that cannot distinguish between warheads and other objects.
One report by the National Academy of Sciences recommended canceling the fourth phase of the system and deploying the interceptors to the East Coast.
The GAO study was requested by Rep. Michael Turner, R-Ohio, who until recently led a panel that oversees missile defense. He said he is concerned that the interceptor in development might be useless in protecting the United States.
"This report really confirms what I have said all along: that this was a hurried proposal by the president," he said.
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Online:
Missile Defense Agency: http://www.mda.mil/system/system.html
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Follow Desmond Butler on Twitter: http://twitter.com/desmondbutler

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http://news.yahoo.com/nkorean-nuclear-test-may-intelligence-windfall-023248130.html

TOKYO (AP) — North Korea's latest underground test shows it is making big strides toward becoming a true nuclear power. But the test may also reveal key clues the secretive nation might have hoped to hide about how close, or how far away, it is from fielding a nuclear weapon capable of striking the United States or its allies.
Hoping to capitalize on a rare opportunity to gauge North Korea's nuclear capabilities, intelligence and military officials around the region are scrambling to glean data to answer three big questions: how powerful was the device Pyongyang tested, what sort of device was it, and what progress does the test indicate the nation has made.
North Korea hailed Tuesday's test as a "perfect" success, saying it used a device that was stronger and more advanced than those in its past two attempts. Add that to its successful rocket launch in December and the threat of a North Korea ready to strike at the United States, which it sees as its arch-enemy, would appear to be more real than ever.
But just how close is it?
The main thing intelligence officials want to figure out is what kind of device was used. Was it a plutonium bomb, like the ones it tested in 2006 and 2009, or one that used highly enriched uranium?
James Acton, an analyst with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said North Korea's plutonium stockpile is small and it would be difficult and expensive for the North to produce more. But a test using highly enriched uranium, which is cheaper and easier to produce, would raise the threat that North Korea can expand its nuclear arsenal quickly.
"A highly enriched uranium test would be a significant development," he said. "Unfortunately, we don't yet have any evidence as to the device's design yield or whether it was made from plutonium or highly enriched uranium."
Finding that out is a race against time.
Joseph De Trani, former head of the National Counterproliferation Center, predicted U.S. intelligence would determine the size and composition of the nuclear device in one to three days based partly on radioactive elements released into the environment.
"Highly enriched uranium is something that degrades quickly, so you would have to collect within a 24-hour period," especially because the traces from an underground explosion will be minimal, he said.
Neighboring Japan may provide some of those answers.
Its fighter jets were dispatched immediately after the test to collect atmospheric samples. Japan has also established land-based monitoring posts, including one on its northwest coast, to collect similar data.
But experts caution such monitoring doesn't always work because test sites can be sealed to prevent tell-tale leaks. They also note that North Korea has proven it has the ability to mask its tests quite well. No radioactivity was detected after North Korea's test in 2009.
The first indication of the latest test was seismic activity at the test site, which U.S. officials estimated at roughly magnitude 5.1. That would be equivalent to a medium-sized earthquake. North Korea's two previous tests registered at magnitude 4.3 and 4.7.
Working off that data, South Korean officials estimate the yield of the device — a measure of how strong its explosion is in comparison to TNT — to be between 6 and 7 kilotons. The United States has estimated it at "several kilotons." Either way, it would be North Korea's biggest yield yet but far less than that of the weapon dropped on Hiroshima in 1945, which was about 20 kilotons.
"Because the depth of the test is not known and the geology of the test site is uncertain, translating the seismic magnitude into yield is difficult," said Acton, the Carnegie analyst. "My own back-of-the-envelope calculation suggests a yield of between 4 and 15 kilotons."
The size of the blast suggests it was, as North Korea claims, a success.
North Korea's first test is largely believed to have fizzled, with a yield of less than 1 kiloton, and the second was between 2 and 7 kilotons.
"The first test almost failed. The second one showed they could basically do it. The third one showed that this is really working," said Won-Young Kim, a seismologist at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory.
The final intelligence task will be confirming or debunking North Korea's claim that this time around it tested a smaller, more advanced bomb. That is important because if the North is to field a nuclear weapon on the tip of a long-range missile, it must be lightweight. Making this determination will also depend on what materials leaked from the test, which experts can use to understand what kind of a device was detonated and infer how it was designed.
Experts have long been divided on whether North Korea has made much headway on clearing that hurdle, though the general consensus is they are not there yet. David Albright and Andrea Stricker, of the Institute for Science and International Security, said the latest test could be a measure of progress.
"Although more information is needed to make a sound assessment, this test could, as North Korea has stated, demonstrate this capability," they said in a statement. "ISIS has also assessed that North Korea still lacks the ability to deploy a warhead on an ICBM, although it shows progress at this effort."
Even so, they stressed North Korea could be years away from having a credible nuclear weapon that it could launch at the United States.
They said North Korea will need to conduct missile flight tests with a re-entry vehicle and mock warhead, increase the explosive yield of its warheads, possibly working to make them smaller, and improve the reliability of both its warheads and missiles.
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Associated Press writers Foster Klug in Seoul, South Korea, and Kimberly Dozier in Washington contributed to this report.

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I wanted to link to this thread since it ties in to this one: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55999-Russian-X-Ray-Girl-Thrills-Japanese-Scientists-with-Her-Remarkable-Gift


We should open a real study on Avalon and archive these things. :flame:

I think this has something to do with gamma detection. Wikipedia says that the difference between gamma and Xray is not absolute.
In fact the position on the spectrum is so close, it's hard to tell how this woman does it (which end of spectrum she uses, like we use visible light).

Have you heard of Cherenkov radiation? Some humans (maybe all!) can detect this not only on the retina as a blue flash, but in ways that translate to ESP to normal human beings. Cherenkov radiation is commonly described as particles (like neutrinos) moving faster through the local medium (the air or through space for example) than light is able.


A neutrino (pron.: /njuːˈtriːnoʊ/; Italian pronunciation: [neuˈtriːno]) is an electrically neutral, weakly interacting elementary subatomic particle[1] with half-integer spin. The neutrino (meaning "small neutral one" in Italian) is denoted by the Greek letter ν (nu). All evidence suggests that neutrinos have mass but that their mass is tiny even by the standards of subatomic particles. Their mass has never been measured accurately.

Neutrinos do not carry electric charge, which means that they are not affected by the electromagnetic forces that act on charged particles such as electrons and protons. Neutrinos are affected only by the weak sub-atomic force, of much shorter range than electromagnetism, and gravity, which is relatively weak on the subatomic scale. Therefore a typical neutrino passes through normal matter unimpeded.

In a perfect vacuum, it's theorized that light and neutrinos should travel the same speed since neither is impeded. But there is no such beast as a perfect vacuum in nature and Cherenkov always arrives first.

It could be that as particles pass through other human bodies she is able to pick up on information they carry as a result of passing through the medium.
She's a medium's medium to make a joke about mediumship.



Russia is very interested in this sort of thing.
I tried contacting the SPR (society for psychical research) on this topic but to no avail.
They are too busy with their stupid conventions and papers to bother with reality as we perceive it here.


I believe some people are talented at detecting what scientists refer to as Weak Interaction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_interaction.


Weak interaction (often called the weak force or sometimes the weak nuclear force) is one of the four fundamental forces of nature, alongside the strong nuclear force, electromagnetism, and gravitation.

This girl is good at detecting strong nuclear force and high spectrum electromagnetic interaction.

Gamma radiation, also known as gamma rays or hyphenated as gamma-rays and denoted as γ, is electromagnetic radiation of high frequency and therefore high energy. Gamma rays are ionizing radiation and are thus biologically hazardous.


The nuclear force (or nucleon–nucleon interaction or residual strong force) is the force between two or more nucleons. It is responsible for binding of protons and neutrons into atomic nuclei. The energy released causes the masses of nuclei to be less than the total mass of the protons and neutrons which form them; this is the energy used in nuclear power and nuclear weapons.[1][2] The force is powerfully attractive between nucleons at distances of about 1 femtometer (fm) between their centers, but rapidly decreases to insignificance at distances beyond about 2.5 fm. At very short distances less than 0.7 fm, it becomes repulsive, and is responsible for the physical size of nuclei, since the nucleons can come no closer than the force allows.

The nuclear force is now understood as a residual effect of the even more powerful strong force, or strong interaction, which is the attractive force that binds particles called quarks together, to form the nucleons themselves. This more powerful force is mediated by particles called gluons. Gluons hold quarks together with a force like that of electric charge, but of far greater power.

There is something about them that transcends the normal range of electromagnetic affect...

"You know, there is such a thing as a tesseract" ~Mrs. Whatsit, A Wrinkle in Time


Our Local Neutrinos Come from the Sun

Most neutrinos passing through the Earth emanate from the Sun. About 65 billion (6.5×1010) solar neutrinos per second pass through every square centimeter perpendicular to the direction of the Sun in the region of the Earth.



This is also why you people (and me) get ill when we have massive solar flares.
Neutrino storms affect the human mind, just like a natural storm affects the atmosphere of our planet.

This also ties into Sun Worship, which in and of itself, meh, what's the harm?

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I wonder if with the present North Korea nuclear crisis,
my theory about these neutrino detectors will be put to the test... with success?

Are they in fact part of the global missile defense grid?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56710-North-Korea-Nuclear-threat


http://www.questia.com/library/1G1-163197930/looking-behind-the-missile-shield-controversy

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-21213779.html

http://www.bermanpost.com/2008/11/why-we-need-missile-shield.html

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.11/nukes_pr.html

http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/u-s-activates-missile-defense-shield-for-north-korean-missile-test/

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2012/02/04/1934740/nato-missile-shield-plans-proceed.html

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=5617271&page=1


Russia Makes New Threats Over U.S.-Poland Missile Deal

By TOMEK ROLSKI and JONATHAN KARL (@jonkarl)
MOSCOW, Aug. 20, 2008

Russia's foreign ministry today threatened to go beyond diplomatic protests in response to the signing of a U.S.-Polish deal to base part of an American missile defense system in Poland, which borders part of Russia.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I noticed that there are a ton of HAARP related threads on Avalon,
and wanted to drive home yet again the point that I believe this Icecube Neutrino Observatory serves a secret secondary purpose of also detecting local anomalies (nuclear warheads being launched and detonated!) and transmitting information to HAARP.

HAARP is amazing but too slow. How can a compositional analysis really provide the kind of fast reaction that a gamma/neutrino detector can provide?
What if some of the particles it detects transcend the local notion of time? You just can't beat a gadget that lets you know what's about to happen vs. what has already happened.


HAARP just reacts.
Icecube detects more, imo.

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http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSr29DJvY-vFkGGktT16ktNQOccX_b0PbKAnCKkiJ4wKvwCKZ-Ohttp://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_haarp/haarp17_03.jpg


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With this nuclear situation escalating in N Korea, I am starting to feel really bad about writing this thread in the first place.
Maybe it compromised the safety of our country and I would be ashamed to be a part of that.

I don't like the posturing by N Korea and wonder why they are even on the map, honestly.

I am not really buying in to the demonization of them, but you know what,
this is getting ugly fast.

"a swiftly tilting planet", to use a L'Engle phrase

:spy: :spy: :spy:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR78BEMMOcvAMMrlgLF3O3M5QSW4EaS3EJvnfpSoegyGGr_Pc1urwhttp://www.angelfire.com/tx/babassu/helicalwave.gif

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSW8f23hf8p2gqv02Q5F9L2yYEOeucpY9QGxyfxs3ysCnds1YsJQghttp://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTThYL34lyFLtgiUeM5yZeCR9z_HrzeKmxtT7hvoMiRDtynsmgx

[deridan]

"With this nuclear situation escalating in N Korea, I am starting to feel really bad about writing this thread in the first place.
Maybe it compromised the safety of our country and I would be ashamed to be a part of that.

I don't like the posturing by N Korea and wonder why they are even on the map, honestly.

I am not really buying in to the demonization of them, but you know what,
this is getting ugly fast.

"a swiftly tilting planet", to use a L'Engle phrase"

...
I once went to Korea, and found myself hungry to scrounge up all knowledge on the subject.
I believe it was General MacArthur who headed up the US offensive from Japanese bases.

There are slight administrative differences between the North and South (i.e. governing language tendencies differently). (I'm not exactly knowledgable, I'll just approximate for ease,& sothat I don't have to study it again) Its just also that there were two global factions, communists, and the free-capitalist system. The North brought themselves under communist auspices.
with WWII preceding the Korean war, another factor came into play. The chinese were fighting the japanese, and as such the chinese trained Korean cadres, these were the core of the North Korean force (so in time-scale its probably after the Chinese communists wrested control away from Chinese nationalists).

The war was ugly. I think the south learned alot about infantry tactics, cause the north swarmed with greater ease.

Into this mix, comes Sam Cohen
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/sam-cohen-creator-of-the-neutron-bomb-2150838.html
(I read his book a few years back, in one of those frenzied efforts that leave a book half read)
he was the creator of the Neutron bomb.

and without trying to leave a nice little conclusion or view to this blog post,
considering the relative collateral that the north would introduce by the opening of their efforts,
I find it as karma - fates hand in showing how a special ops army would go to work using that creators weapon.
{:), great blogs, you are one for detail}

[Violet]

IceCube got some media attention again. Since this topic already exists, I'm going to put it here, if that's ok of course:

Project IceCube

Meet project IceCube, a collaboration of 29 institutes including VUB (Brussels), UG (Ghent) and the Dutch University of Utrecht in a fascinating search for neutrinos on the South Pole.


"Neutrinos are subatomic particles with no charge and almost no mass, which very rarely interact with anything. This means they can practically cross the Universe in a straight line, passing through entire planets undeflected - and undetected."
(BBC (http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-33787562))


Which also means they can pass through your human body. Every second 30 trillion of them flash through at approximately the speed of light.

Light. Though practically massless, they do carry energy and this allows for extra measurement and clues.

So, them crossing nearly everything makes it hard to detect them.

"Only rarely do they collide with atomic nuclei but when they do, the collision creates muons that (when travelling at high speed through water or ice) produce a weak blue light called Cherenkov radiation." (HLC (http://www.hetlaatstecontinent.be/wetenschappen/icecube.html))

And that's the little light (particles), this collection of sensors is going to try track down (or up, depending on where you consider your sky) in the ice. This collection of sensors is called the IceCube particle detector.

http://www.hetlaatstecontinent.be/wetenschappen/afbeeldingen/icecube03.jpg
(from: http://www.hetlaatstecontinent.be/wetenschappen/afbeeldingen/icecube03.jpg)


"The IceCube consists of 86 holes in the ice, into which strings of sensors were lowered to depths of 1.5-2.5km"
(HLC (http://www.hetlaatstecontinent.be/wetenschappen/icecube.html))

Neutrino movement is more easily picked up in the ice of the South Pole because of the ice's purity. The goal is to discover neutrinos in the first place and to then discover where they came from.

The source of the project and driving force is professor Francis Halzen, currently connected to the university of Wisconsin.

Some of the more recent findings can be read about in this article:
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2015/may/11/icecube-neutrinos-do-come-in-three-flavours-after-all

Sources:

http://icecube.wisc.edu/
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-33787562
http://www.hetlaatstecontinent.be/wetenschappen/icecube.html