I'm trying to love you.

[Midnight]

I'm trying to love you, but it's hard. You like guns, you eat slaughtered animals, you hate universal health care, but I'm trying to love you.

Entering the realm of non-judgement is amazingly difficult. But it is worth the effort since it offers a way out of what keeps us trapped.

[The Arthen]

Thanks for that reach out, but you can probably start with:

1. Those that realize the danger of disarmed folks while lower vibrations still rule the day. They're not necessarily mindless gun nuts.

2. Those who eat chicken, pork or beef are also animal lovers, evolving on a diet.

3. Those who see the monopoly of health care rather than the genuine distribution of it.

4. The ones who love women but fail to see why they too need to let off steam in one way or another. (er....because they're human TOO?)

5. That there are just as many opposing views that do not necessarily consider the real conditions of different places on this planet.

I understand why it is difficult in this case to "enter a realm of non-judgment", but trying to get into the minds of others is not enough - it's really about noticing how they can be chained to concepts that are not even honored in a perfect world in the first place.

[Midnight]

The Arthen, thanks for showing me that even on projectavalon, I'm still in a world that I don't want to be in.

[Rocky_Shorz]

scritches his head, and what world are you looking for, we have guides that might be able to help you find it...

[Midnight]

Those that eat chicken, pork or beef are also animal lovers. Yah, right. Those that eat the flesh of chickens, pigs and cows that are murdered in kill factories are only animal lovers when it comes to the question of the smell of fried meat.

[Artworks]

perhaps 'love' is not the truth here, choosing to not react, observe and move on.

[Rocky_Shorz]

so after being part of Avalon for almost a year, you chose to walk in and show how far from love you are for what reason?

[johnf]

I am never trying to love someone when i am insisting that I know how they should be, and what they should and shouldn't be doing.
When this kind of thinking comes up in me I have to look at my own insistence that I know what is right and what is wrong.
This work is hard, but it is mine to do and mine alone.
The person I have a tendency to focus on and think needs to change is only a pointer back to my erroneous self definitions.
Many say the finger points back at me but I no longer believe that since I have repeatedly found that both the person I see as the problem, and myself are fictions. They are not who I think they are, and neither am I.
After reaching this point I have no need to love or forgive the person because I have stopped believing that they are wrong , or I am right.
There is now a space there in the relationship that draws better things out of the apparent two of us.

[The Arthen]

Those that eat chicken, pork or beef are also animal lovers. Yah, right. Those that eat the flesh of chickens, pigs and cows that are murdered in kill factories are only animal lovers when it comes to the question of the smell of fried meat.

I see predators in nature tearing other animals apart too. And it's because they have to survive. Why do we then turn a blind eye to those murders, except when only it comes to humans?
Then this means, that humans, being the 'most' intelligent species, will have to bear the brunt of everything they do in order to survive. And this is a very delicate balance between respecting human life and being on a pedestal that detests all human life.

If we respect life, we need to respect why life involves the natural killing of life within it as well. If we don't, this planet wouldn't even exist.

There would be no decomposition of plant matter, that feeds as nutrients into other organisms, there would basically be no 'transactions' between anything.

Leopards, Lions, Tigers will all die when there is no deer or other meats present.

Herbivores will die if plants don't die and regrow.

But - BUT - does this mean we should adopt a Darwinistic view of "take advantage of others, kill others because at the end of the day it's about who's strongest"? No.

This can be a very confusing issue to differentiate.

[The Arthen]

The Arthen, thanks for showing me that even on projectavalon, I'm still in a world that I don't want to be in.

I think most of us are - but many have already passed their breaking point and are just trying to deal with it and live on.

[Midnight]

Yes, I choose to walk in and ask why people on this forum don't want sick children to have access to a doctor even if their family can't avoid it, and why assault weapons should be available at Walmart, and why good people chose to not focus on the fact that the meat on their plate is the result of extreme cruelty.

Maybe since I registered so recently, I shouldn't ask these questions. (Not!)

[Kindling]

Tomorrow is Superbowl Sunday. I must have chicken wings!

[markpierre]

I'm trying to love you, but it's hard. You like guns, you eat slaughtered animals, you hate universal health care, but I'm trying to love you.

Entering the realm of non-judgement is amazingly difficult. But it is worth the effort since it offers a way out of what keeps us trapped.


'Non-judgement' is hard. Close to impossible. Human mind is wired to judge everything. All of it's meaningless, and you can't think it away. You have to actually discover for yourself
that judgement is just you lost in whatever conditioning you've accepted.
Call it morality, call it whatever you like. They're not your own ideas.

This will help; everyone without exception is exactly where they need to be, compelled to do whatever they do for a purpose that makes judgement the most oppressive and unholy
crime you can commit.

[Midnight]

Disgusting. That is all.

[GarethBKK]

It does keep us trapped, and it is worth the effort, Midnight, you are right. Keep the faith!

It is a powerful contribution to evolution to inform consciousness that killing is wrong and health belongs to everyone.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Yes, I choose to walk in and ask why people on this forum don't want sick children to have access to a doctor even if their family can't avoid it, and why assault weapons should be available at Walmart, and why good people chose to not focus on the fact that the meat on their plate is the result of extreme cruelty.

Maybe since I registered so recently, I shouldn't ask these questions. (Not!)

you registered almost a year ago and have been in good discussions before I just thought this was strange of you, because it doesn't sound like you are trying too hard...

I agree with you but love a good steak, so I'm not the one either... lol

[markpierre]

Disgusting. That is all.

"Entering the realm of non-judgement is amazingly difficult. But it is worth the effort since it offers a way out of what keeps us trapped."

Yup. Trapped. Good luck.

[Kindling]

Not everyone agrees on the vegan vs non-vegan diet (personal choice - not to be judged by anyone), but I don't think anyone on Avalon thinks sick children shouldn't have access to health care. You are bringing up lots of stuff here lol :-).

[D-Day]

LOL

... what a funny thread!

Midnight, I hereby give you full permission to judge me as much as you like.... if it helps to make you feel better.

Somehow I doubt it will though ;)

Thankfully, the only judgement I truly care about is my own.

So then, here's wishing you all the very best!

I hope you can find a way to enjoy your experience here in the phsycal just a little bit.

Here's a tip,... try to smile and laugh every once in a while along the way.

Happy trails!! :)

[Midnight]

Animals murdered in cruel conditions, poor sick children who can't go to the doctor for financial reasons, assault weapons killing very young children.

Funny thread indeed.

[D-Day]

What' I find funny about this thread is how you just came out of nowhere and started spewing judgement and deep-seeded emotional trauma (cr@p) all over everybody. lol

[SKAWF]

i think there is a difference between conditional, and unconditional love.

it seems that you are saying that you would be able to love us, if we stopped doing x, y, and z.

maybe i would suggest that you try to learn to love us and everything else unconditionally...

despite our many failings.

thanks

[Midnight]

Deep-seeded emotional trauma?

Tell that to the cow lined up, pissing out of fear of the death blow. Try to imagine yourself in the death line-up.

[D-Day]

Deep-seeded emotional trauma?

Tell that to the cow lined up, pissing out of fear of the death blow. Try to imagine yourself in the death line-up.

Been there, experienced that (from both sides)... have moved onto something else now ;)

[Kindling]

Midnight, I'm wondering why all this stuff came up. I am frustrated too, but have no clue what to do about it.

[Artworks]

The world is full of horrid deeds, thoughts and situations, we cannot focus on this as it creates more negativity, we have to work at raising the vibrations. We all judge, but we can be concious of this, observe, allow and let it go.

[markpierre]

Animals murdered in cruel conditions, poor sick children who can't go to the doctor for financial reasons, assault weapons killing very young children.

Funny thread indeed.

Don't know how you mix morality with politics. What's the point of this OP?

[greybeard]

The world is full of horrid deeds, thoughts and situations, we cannot focus on this as it creates more negativity, we have to work at raising the vibrations. We all judge, but we can be concious of this, observe, allow and let it go.
This video is in line with what you are saying Artworks



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yk0ANlMmgI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7yk0ANlMmgI

[spiritwind]

I'm trying to love you, but it's hard. You like guns, you eat slaughtered animals, you hate universal health care, but I'm trying to love you.



I know it's tough but I guess you're just going to have to try harder. I guess that's why they call higher love unconditional. Looks like we all have a ways to go.

[Heart-2-Heart]

Midnight, I'm wondering why all this stuff came up. I am frustrated too, but have no clue what to do about it.

Hi Kindling....

Don't be frustrated... Accept... accept that... Things.. are the way that Things are.

Someone will always try to change the world .

And things will still be they way they are....

God has to accept every moment there ever : (Take your pick ) is.. were.. are ..has been.. will be ..will never be ..maybe ..should not be....all the beauty..all the horror ..all the pain.. all the suffering ..all the Earthquakes....
all Tsunamis ..all storms .. all floods .. all politicians..all popes .. all priest..all presidents...all doctors.. all bad neighbours ..
all lazy husbands..all bitches ..all taxidrivers ..all meateaters ..all vegans .. all jobless ..all gurus ..all prostitutes
all royals..all bloodtypes....all good people ....all evil people... all forum users ....all users and misusers of the ABC etc..

Yes ... even Forum users....

God has to Accept all forum users.. all with their great minds and all their knowledge
and their spiritual insights ...all the sweet words ..all the harsh words .. all the wellmeaning words .. all the good
intensions ..all

Accept.. is a keyword.. accept all there is..as God has to...

accept is love..with no conditioning

With much love

H2h

[Orph]

I'm trying to love you, but it's hard. You like guns, you eat slaughtered animals, you hate universal health care, but I'm trying to love you.

Entering the realm of non-judgement is amazingly difficult. But it is worth the effort since it offers a way out of what keeps us trapped.Stop trying to love "me". I don't exist in your world. Nobody exists in your world except you. You throw your judgements out onto your own personal universe. Then you point the finger and say all those people "out there" are the ones that are evil and bad. The perceptions are yours. You have to learn to love the perceptions themselves. Don't try to change the perceptions. Just love the fact that you have these perceptions and recognize them as yours.

As I read and respond to this thread, i also realize that "you" don't exist in my universe. I need not try to change you, nor justify who I am. I simply perceive, and love, what is.

[conk]

Animals murdered in cruel conditions, poor sick children who can't go to the doctor for financial reasons, assault weapons killing very young children.

Funny thread indeed.These things you describe are not of and in the natural order. Farm raised animals are foul, putrid examples of what Mother Nature offers her carnivores. And the medical care you insist our children need is full of poisons and practices that are 180 degrees from anything nature provides. So, we get your message, but a little more truth tempered in may be necessary.

You obviously have a sincere heart, so thank you for adding your grace to this forum.

[Latti]

I am never trying to love someone when i am insisting that I know how they should be, and what they should and shouldn't be doing.
. ..............

Your post is right on target, but it seems so difficult for many to understand.

Our greatest challenge is ourselves. By focusing on others, we can add energy to what we don't want and never find peace within.

[Marikins]

To me "love" means to see clearly without judgment. To accept without judgment. So "I see you" means "I love you". Midnight, let's say you are advanced on the path. Well, the others may be just a little slower than you and a few footsteps behind you. See them with love and that will create an easier path to your ideals. If you judge, condemn and resist them you will make yourself unhappy and create more of what you don't love.

An example of the power of acceptance: at an organic grocery store there was a group of four young women in pro-vegan t-shirts set up at a table. They were raffling a vegan cookbook and giving out free recipes. If someone said they ate meat, they welcomed them and offered a printed sheet of substitutes. They asked everyone for their email to continue the dialogue. They were warm and friendly to everyone and attracted a huge crowd of meat eaters and vegan alike. They were a million times more effective at changing the world than the angry Vegans I know who enjoy hating everyone else.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I love animals but I understand that slow starvation and exposure to the elements is a bad death too.
How many birds fall frozen dead from a branch, without ever having felt sorry for themselves, to quote from GI Jane's Master Chief

Animals have feelings and senses just like we do, but mentally they are still very much in the darkness of instinct vs. self knowledge.
I see them as living patterns, nature's attempt to store its energy rather than waste it.

And although I agree that it's primitive to eat animals, we need to, because for example we cannot get our amino acids any other way.
Leucine for example, tryptophan. Important chemicals to important lives!


waking up to ourselves involves accepting life. we are life too, part of the chain, part of the FOOD chain, omnivores for a reason. our brains need a complicated diet in order to be at top functioning.

Like fish oil. how would we live without fish??

the mediterranean diet is wonderful for your health.
surely a fish here and an egg there isn't evil in the sight of the creator?

[happyexpat]

An example of the power of acceptance: at an organic grocery store there was a group of four young women in pro-vegan t-shirts set up at a table. They were raffling a vegan cookbook and giving out free recipes. If someone said they ate meat, they welcomed them and offered a printed sheet of substitutes. They asked everyone for their email to continue the dialogue. They were warm and friendly to everyone and attracted a huge crowd of meat eaters and vegan alike. They were a million times more effective at changing the world than the angry Vegans I know who enjoy hating everyone else.

What an awesome example, Marikins. Thanks for sharing it.

Something profound for me from a spiritual development standpoint was actually coming to an understanding of what yin and yang really means.

If you want to call the white good and the black bad, there is always a seed of either in the other. So if you say one thing is only good and one thing is only bad, it can never be true. Everything has the seed of its dualistic opposite. So by preaching for peace, we spread the seeds of war.

Compassion is mighty powerful.

[shadowstalker]

@Midnight
Judgement says a lot about the person doing the judging not the person being judged.
If one feels the need to judge others in order to get through ones own problems and making smarky excuses in doing so, just remember one thing , someone is judging you in the same way with different attributes. You to have fallen to the way side by others, in this realm or any realm on this planet.
People grow in there own do time, not by others. that is the only way to truly grow, to take time and reflect.. and to understand.

Plants are living things tho they hold there own language.
When you pick your vegie or root does it not cry out,
Are you not sensitive enough to here it's cries.
Are you not sensitive to feel it's pain.

There is no such thing as perfection in this realm or any other for that matter.
Everyone in this realm has there own personal mission, be it to just take a long life vacation or to help change the world, or to just simply observe. and so many other things I can't event count.

Remember one thing.
Before judging others.
One needs to look in the mirror and check to see if there any better then the people they are judging.
Because remember your check list against another maybe long , but some one elses just maybe longer and more precise then yours.

Namaste
Good Luck

[Lettherebelight]

This vid has been posted before, but it sprang to mind when I read the OP...

WfGMYdalClU

I guess we are all to blame and maybe that's the best way to look at things at this point. Just because suddenly in this life, we've acquired some insights, that doesn't mean we can finger point everyone else, there's always three pointing back at us. All we can do is learn to love ourselves, and God (if you believe), and His creation...

...everything else will follow.

[Arrowwind]

I'm trying to love you, but it's hard. You like guns, you eat slaughtered animals, you hate universal health care, but I'm trying to love you.

Entering the realm of non-judgement is amazingly difficult. But it is worth the effort since it offers a way out of what keeps us trapped.

Please dont TRY to love me. Either do it or don't. Clearly if you must try you don't, so don't bother trying and stop trying to fool me. I cant be fooled. But thanks for trying. If your trying you probably are wishing that you did love which is probably better than not loving at all.

[rgray222]

I'm trying to love you, but it's hard. You like guns, you eat slaughtered animals, you hate universal health care, but I'm trying to love you.

Entering the realm of non-judgement is amazingly difficult. But it is worth the effort since it offers a way out of what keeps us trapped.

Judgement is natural, it is part of our DNA, how your react to your own judgement and how you think about others once you have made that judgement is something that you have control over.

There are universal laws which we should all follow, one of those laws is the law of allowing...............the state of allowing without resistance is the purest state of manifesting. You should attempt to allow things to move without resistance and to evolve and grow naturally. Never try to force upon others your beliefs and values. Each person is on a road they have chosen, their evolution is important to them not to you.

Free will belongs to each person, it is our ability to make choices.

It is your choice not to own a gun, that maybe noble and admirable (for you) but that is a choice you have made. It may not be the choice of others.

You have made a choice to not eat meat, again noble and admirable (for you) but that is not the choice that everyone.

You appear to believe in universal healthcare, that is noble and admirable (for you) to many, it takes away people's choice which goes against what the human experience is about. I personally believe this removes a great discussion that mankind should be having which is self healing.

Nobody knows what is best for each individual or all of mankind, it is not up to you or the government to force their beliefs on mankind, this attempt to remove free will does not and can not work. You (all of us) should be celebrating free will, personal choice, personal growth and evolution. One should never attempt to force people into their beliefs and values.

Sometimes the Universe takes you in a direction that you are not sure you want to go. You begin to think and believe this when you either cannot see the destination or your not sure of the destination.

Stop the worrying and "allow" yourself to trust the universe. There are roads provided to usher you from one destination to another that you never knew existed. Each one of us is on our own road, making our own choices to get to our destinations, you do not need to believe that we should all be on the road you have freely chosen.

[ceetee9]

I think there are few here who would argue that this world is perfect and that there isn't a wealth of injustice and horrific things done to animals and humans alike. This isn't the kind of world I would create and wish to live in either, but the fact remains I am here. Did I agree to come here for whatever reason before I arrived on scene? I haven't a clue. But I recognize that my knowledge, understanding and opinions are shaped and filtered by our collective limited knowledge and understanding as a species.

Why, for example, would the creator create the animal kingdom where all species had to kill other animals and/or plants to survive? And don't be so self-righteous if you are a vegetarian or vegan as there have been several scientific studies done that show that plants not only have feelings but can anticipate when they are about to be killed. Why would the Creator not have his lifeforms derive their sustenance from, say, the zero-point field? No need for food or water or excrement. I would have, but then I'm not God and don't presume to know or understand his reasoning.

I also think there are few here who would argue that we should not take care of those who are incapable of taking care of themselves. But this is not achieved by creating more multi-billion (if not trillion) dollar bureaucracies. Universal healthcare is designed primarily to further the enslavement of people by making them more dependent on their government.

And as for the guns, I too would much rather live in a world without the need for weapons of any kind, but only a fool could believe that, in this 3D experience, making guns illegal would make them safer. Disarming the citizens not only provides the criminal element with some reasonable assurance that they can attack most anyone with little fear of retaliation or that they will be killed by the victim, but, more importantly, it is the last step necessary to ensure a full totalitarian government. History has proved this time and again, but we learn nothing from history.

We all play a part and are responsible for, to one degree or another, the insanity that permeates this planet. In my opinion, we would do much better if we stopped being so judgmental and divisive by focusing on our differences and started being more compassionate and tolerant by working together and focusing on our likenesses.

[deridan]

salutations to posts 25 and 35,
a yes we observe and a yes so what are we to do,
and an enlightened food view

i guess it feels like bad karma, one is in a bad world and takes part in one of its flawed processes, eating slaughtered animals
one could perhaps hope for better resources, more space, more humaneness,
the background theory to being nonplussed about this fits in with some theoretics, that souls investing animals are in a different place of evolution

considering our own evolution, -& the other factors in your OP- we would only hope as a species, while doing this phase of our soular evolution that we move towards some sort of utopia. sure we have some sort of dream world now, its possible to achieve some things but still there are some deficiencies which test our mettle .. where we either move up or downward, other tests for other parts of our whole being reserved for another time.

post 26 while true and necessary [in some of -or the [whole] energy confluem] i am in odds about,
i'm reminded of the outline of a movie i've heard about, the 2011movie In Time,
where it appears asif the 'perhaps possible:' reincarnating mass organism humanity, to experience whatever 'flows of karma'(if that is permissible) dies from the bottom, like one of those weird plants reaching ever upward, where the bush/push is only at the top.
well atleast we can treat that concept with disgust, for we need not even be particularily attached to the "specie as is"

[Deega]

I'm trying to love you, but it's hard. You like guns, you eat slaughtered animals, you hate universal health care, but I'm trying to love you.

Entering the realm of non-judgement is amazingly difficult. But it is worth the effort since it offers a way out of what keeps us trapped.


Thanks Midnight, interesting Tread, you don't ''love'' your/our societal programming, you're not on the hate side, you just want to have our say on this!

You're judging the societal culture that we live in! It's a question like this that may bring in time changes if the effort toward it is relentless. You know that changes come slowly, are incremental, and years may probably bring a better way of feeding ourselves, of better government...hopefully!

And, who knows, the generations to come will be more intuned with loving behavior..!, hopefully.

All the best to you!

[blufire]

Me thinks somebody has hijacked midnights computer and is using his avatar. ;)

[GloriousPoetry]

A lot of times I feel humanity needs to grow up but then I am also remined of the beauty we have inside of us. Here is some proof of this beauty.....this song is amazing, many versions of it. Hope it sparks something special for you Midnight or at least it reminds you that humanity is capable of creating beauty in this world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKN49r6qt5E[/url][/YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE]

Blessings,
Gloria

[shadowstalker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKN49r6qt5E

[christian]

I'm trying to love you, but it's hard. You like guns, you eat slaughtered animals, you hate universal health care, but I'm trying to love you.

Entering the realm of non-judgement is amazingly difficult. But it is worth the effort since it offers a way out of what keeps us trapped.

I feel your struggle and I appreciate you sharing this, really. Let's keep fighting the good fight. :cool:

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/150954_10151502895443185_340975369_n.jpg

"You have to keep breaking your heart until it opens." — Rumi

[greybeard]

The thing is if everyone sorted there own back yard everything would be fine.
Byron Katie said "There are three kinds of business. Mine other peoples and Gods, the more time I spend in my business the better."

As far as unconditional love goes, we can but try.
Nasargadatta said Unconditional love is not posible until you are enlightened, as there is always an agenda, if only that it makes you feel good.

As said on the thread God is unconditional love. There is no need for you to be forgiven (by God) as there is no judgement in unconditional love.

The video by Mooji that I posted gives the best explanation of why there is the hardship and cruelty in the world I have heard.
Chris

[genevieve]

Midnight--

I highly recommend reading the e-book offered on http://butterfliesfree.com

It has given me a different perspective on judging my own life and other people's lives/actions.

Hopefully you'll experience more peace.


Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve

[Sidney]

Midnight, maybe you can just say " I love you, but I hate the things you do". because, people aren't what they do always. We are all products of our environment, with a bit of this and that thrown in, and poof, we are an individual of unlimited potential, and unlimited imperfections. Doesn't mean we are bad.

[Midnight]

Much love to all posters on this thread! And I'm not joking. Rock on!!!

[bram]

Hi Midnight,

You have no doubt found out now that if you post any kind of message regarding the right to bear arms or cause suffering to animals on this forum, you get inundated with very nasty, angry responses and personal attacks from people who like to see themselves as spiritually evolved. Anyway, keep up the good work!!

Love, bram

[bram]

A lot of times I feel humanity needs to grow up but then I am also remined of the beauty we have inside of us. Here is some proof of this beauty.....this song is amazing, many versions of it. Hope it sparks something special for you Midnight or at least it reminds you that humanity is capable of creating beauty in this world.

mKN49r6qt5E

Blessings,
Gloria

Hi Gloria, I fixed your u-tube thingy.

Love, bram

[Midnight]

I want to love you, but you keep screwing up.
But I still love you,

[Kindling]

I'm glad. I still love you too :-).

[Ultima Thule]

Love all you wan´t Midnight, but before you do that in my general direction, I have to confess that I´m at times annoying, jealous of many things, unpredictable in my feelings, eat meat, cannot control my thoughts(save for a tiny percentage of my waking hours), have no clue what is true in this world, was a bit annoyed about this thread of yours, at times find myself feeling just fine and dandy about all the issues in the world, just because I happen to live in an environment that doesn´t push governmental oppression, child sacrifice, abductions, poverty, famine etc. in my face.. and many things more that are not so lovable in me at all.. I guess that makes me quite "normal" actually - which boils down loving-wise to the fact that never will the object of ones unconditional love be perfect and "deserving" and still never mind the amount of imperfection, one should be able to find that unconditionality in oneself, which I guess is exactly why you started this thread.

I salute you for trying, and thank you for reminding us all of what we are aiming for.
Apropo: what if one imagines the absolute horror of a person to love, say Catholic, child molesting Adolf Hitler that likes to eat his meat raw and living while making crude remarks of Gandhi, Mother Theresa, Jesus, Allah, Jahwe and all other siginificant figures and has found a way to be immortal, happy and outside of the influence of karmic repercussions - and love him in spite of it all. That should make your neighbour a lot easier target :)


UT

[Maunagarjana]

I'm trying to love you, but it's hard. You like guns, you eat slaughtered animals, you hate universal health care, but I'm trying to love you.

Entering the realm of non-judgement is amazingly difficult. But it is worth the effort since it offers a way out of what keeps us trapped.

I hate guns and do not own one but I would use one to defend the lives of others if I had to, I am about 90% vegetarian in my diet (which for me is progress), I am for true universal health care (with no insurance companies involved).....sooo, am I worthy of your conditional love? If not, I'll do my best not to judge you for it. I'll let you know if I ever manage to live up to your lofty standards. I'd hate for you to miss out on an opportunity to be able to extend your love to someone. But for my part, I do not see love for someone being contingent upon my approval of them. For me, it comes from a recognition of our unity even within our diversity and our different stages of development and also a realization that love is the essence of who we all are, regardless of our eating habits or political views.

[greybeard]

Unconditional love has nothing to do with relationship.
I remember one person saying she had unconditional love for her son---that's not truly unconditional as its focused on "her" son.
Jesus said love the other as your self---in the truth there is only SELF.
Namaste means The God within me greets the God within you.
So the love is for your true Self----human unconditional love is for the person but not the action---it does not condone.

Chris

[Artworks]

I think compassion is a word that could be used more than love, for me even the word unconditional love brings requirements, expectations etc, the word love seems to be attached to ego and therefore always has conditions and is somehow so physical.

[Carolin]

Hi Midnight,

I understand your resistance to the state of the world and the behaviour of our fellow man. I can only assume it's not just gun toting carnivores that you find unlovable. Our world is riddled with unimaginable cruelty, starvation, suffering and greed. Bill quoted Thom Hartmann in his thread "The Cry of Gaia" which touched my heart and will stay with me forever. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23176-The-Cry-of-Gaia

In the 24 hours since this time yesterday, over 200,000 acres of rainforest have been destroyed in our world. Fully 13 million tons of toxic chemicals have been released into our environment. Over 45,000 people have died of starvation, 38,000 of them children. And more than 130 plant or animal species have been driven to extinction by the actions of humans. (The last time there was such a rapid loss of species was when the dinosaurs vanished.) And all this just since yesterday.

I agree with your statement "Entering the realm of non-judgement is amazingly difficult. But it is worth the effort since it offers a way out of what keeps us trapped." I would like to add that non-judgement and conscious decisions is our way to contribute to the highest good. We can't raise our vibration while finding fault with everything and everyone or withholding our love, however natural it is to us humans.

[conk]

Hi Midnight,

You have no doubt found out now that if you post any kind of message regarding the right to bear arms or cause suffering to animals on this forum, you get inundated with very nasty, angry responses and personal attacks from people who like to see themselves as spiritually evolved. Anyway, keep up the good work!!

Love, bram
Where in this tread is there a nasty, angry response?

[Rich]

I'm trying to love you, but it's hard. You like guns, you eat slaughtered animals, you hate universal health care, but I'm trying to love you.

Entering the realm of non-judgement is amazingly difficult. But it is worth the effort since it offers a way out of what keeps us trapped.

Sounds to me like you want to feel that you belong?
But feel in conflict that loving someone who is doing evil will support their doings?

[Adalwulf]

Animals murdered in cruel conditions, poor sick children who can't go to the doctor for financial reasons, assault weapons killing very young children.

Funny thread indeed.

Life can be very unfair and harsh, always has been and probably always will be....sitting around and thinking about all the suffering going on isn't going to change any of that. Do what you can to make your personal slice of the world a better place and quit struggling with the choices others make..

[Falcor]

it might be better for now if you put more energy into loving yourself........ than trying to love me :P

[Referee]

Well I do Love You and because I do I will Share a message from William Cooper.

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