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[Corncrake]

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S. Collins puts forward some good points from a technical perspective on why he believes the moon landing did take place. Whatever you think about the mood landing his concluding remarks are well worth remembering. Only 13 minutes and do watch if only for his droll presentation style!

[EsmaEverheart]

I have recently been watching my Dark Shawdows DVD collection. This Soap Oprea was on TV around the same time as the Moon Landing. If you have ever listened to interviews from the Actors on this program, you will have heard them talk about the taping technology of the time. This video made me think of that. Dark Shadows was recorded on video but it was like live TV. It was too expensive for them to stop tape if someone flubbed thier lines and they had to just keep going. Which is why you see a lot of flubs in episodes. Also the special effects were pretty primative too. So this guy saying that they didn't have the technology to fake the Moon Landing is very accurate in my opinion.

[Valle]

I dont know reagarding Apollo11, but I got a small problem with math.

Image of rocket:

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Saturn_V_rocket_and_Apollo_11_journey_AP_NASA(1).jpg



Moon/Earth Gravitation = 1,62 / 9,78 = 0,166 ~ 1/6

Apollo 11 rocket
Fuel Earth take off = Stage 1: 5.031.023 punds, Stage 2: 1.074.590 punds , Stage 3 (fly to moon): 261.836 punds = 6 367 449 pounds
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LunarModul
What need to be done with Lunar Modul ”Stage 4” part of rocket,
1) Slow down speed,
2) Land Lunar Module,
3) Lift off from Moon,
4) Take Lunar Module back to Earth.
(Ofcuse earth gravity demand much less fuel to go to earth)

Fuel needed to do Moon lift off (”Stage 4”) = ? 
(1/6 ~ 1 000 000 pounds ~ Second Stage or doese it only need half of that 1/12 = still two times as much as stage 3..)
Stage 4 is much smaller - so much less fuel is neded.. but it stills seems too small to me..

Apollo 15 Moon liftoff:
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So my problem is that if they landed with Apollo 11 how did they come home again?
- NASA should know this so I probably made a juvernile error :-)

[Maia Gabrial]

From one of John Lear's interviews, he actually has pictures of the back side of the moon hanging on his walls that are amazing! Roads, buildings, factories are all there. Pictures to prove that there's alot going on up there. I think moon talks start at about 49:00 or so; but the whole interview is very interesting....

Check out: "Bases 14 John Lear in His Lair Part Three"

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[Cidersomerset]

Interresting points and presented well, but I cannot comment on the technical points he is making as it will need a photographic buff or enthusiast to reply..........

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I think this is all very exciting stuff.

It would be neat to go into space; too bad it's not more common so that crazy people can go too. LOL

[kaon]

He brings up some really good points from a photographer's POV.

Here's another video on the subject by Michio Kaku who also believes the moon landing was authentic.

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[kaon]

I think this is all very exciting stuff.

It would be neat to go into space; too bad it's not more common so that crazy people can go too. LOL

If one is wealthy enough being crazy won't stop one from buying their way into space. Just make sure you don't get lured into a movie studio :o

[Bill Ryan]

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From Project Camelot's Henry Deacon 3rd update (http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_4.html):






• We asked Henry if the Apollo astronauts had actually gone to the moon. This was a question that had not actually previously occurred to us in earlier meetings. There was a long pause before Henry replied saying: Yes, they had. But it was not a simple answer.

Most of the missions did indeed go to the moon, but some photos and film footage were fabricated for PR purposes, and - remarkably – some advanced technology was borrowed: a lightweight nano tech-skin shielding combined with a charged-field technology were utilized on some of the craft to provide very effective radiation shielding, combined with other technologies used to protect the astronauts from Gamma and other hazardous radiations and energetic particles during the journeys. Additional advanced “alien” technologies were added to land the Lunar Module and assist take-off from the moon.

Some Apollo astronauts were aware of these technologies (though only a couple were aware of the alternative space program). This accounts for some general reluctance to be interviewed or to speak openly on the subject. Their anger at those who claim they never went at all is understandable, because they did indeed reach the moon. They were very brave men... and they had some help.

[gripreaper]

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From Project Camelot's Henry Deacon 3rd update (http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_4.html):






• We asked Henry if the Apollo astronauts had actually gone to the moon. This was a question that had not actually previously occurred to us in earlier meetings. There was a long pause before Henry replied saying: Yes, they had. But it was not a simple answer.

Most of the missions did indeed go to the moon, but some photos and film footage were fabricated for PR purposes, and - remarkably – some advanced technology was borrowed: a lightweight nano tech-skin shielding combined with a charged-field technology were utilized on some of the craft to provide very effective radiation shielding, combined with other technologies used to protect the astronauts from Gamma and other hazardous radiations and energetic particles during the journeys. Additional advanced “alien” technologies were added to land the Lunar Module and assist take-off from the moon.

Some Apollo astronauts were aware of these technologies (though only a couple were aware of the alternative space program). This accounts for some general reluctance to be interviewed or to speak openly on the subject. Their anger at those who claim they never went at all is understandable, because they did indeed reach the moon. They were very brave men... and they had some help.

Sure is a lot of inquiry emerging lately which was extensively covered in the early days of Camelot, a whole new wave of interested seekers.

[GK76]

The key point was at the end. Whether they went to the moon or faked it doesn't matter... it's just a way of distracting the would-be conspiracy theorists and having them caught in a loop of "Did they? Didn't they?" We all should be more focussed on the crap they are getting away with now, or we will be forever reacting to their plans well after the event could have been avoided.

Perhaps only the present matters.

[GarethBKK]

So my problem is that if they landed with Apollo 11 how did they come home again?

Hi Valle, The Lunar Module (LM) was jettisoned in lunar orbit after astronauts had transferred to Command Module (CSM). It was the CSM (with fuel) that brought them home, not the LM. The S-IVB was fired twice. The first burn was to get into earth orbit, and the second was a six-minute burn to get to escape velocity. This was not needed on the return as earth's gravity did the work.

[Valle]

So my problem is that if they landed with Apollo 11 how did they come home again?

Hi Valle, The Lunar Module (LM) was jettisoned in lunar orbit after astronauts had transferred to Command Module (CSM). It was the CSM (with fuel) that brought them home, not the LM. The S-IVB was fired twice. The first burn was to get into earth orbit, and the second was a six-minute burn to get to escape velocity. This was not needed on the return as earth's gravity did the work.

ok, thanks :-)

[Bill Ryan]

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Jay Weidner (http://jayweidner.com) wrote a stunning, detailed and incisive account of how Hollywood director Stanley Kubrick was contracted to fake the moon landing footage using then-state-of-the-art 1960s Front Screen Projection technology. He has more recently made a DVD of his presentation -- very well worth watching.

Full article archived here (and it's a fascinating read):

http://realitysandwich.com/kubrick_apollo

Note that in Richard Hoagland's Camelot interview (http://projectcamelot.org/richard_hoagland.html), Hoagland had discovered the fingerprints of exactly this Front Screen Projection technique... but while correctly finding the tell-tale clues, had misinterpreted them.

[PRAGMAE]

Hi all. I'm sure everybody knows this doc but I'm new here and gotta find time to read this forum (goldmine). This doc is quite good, it expose the moon landing subject. It's called :

Apollo Zero Revisiting the Manned Moon Landings.

[ThePythonicCow]

Hi all. I'm sure everybody knows this doc but I'm new here and gotta find time to read this forum (goldmine). This doc is quite good, it expose the moon landing subject. It's called :

Apollo Zero Revisiting the Manned Moon Landings.
You can find more about this video documentary on this thread: Apollo Zero [Full Movie] (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32185-Apollo-Zero-Full-Movie)

[PRAGMAE]

Oh yeah !!! Thank you sir !

[T Smith]

Interesting. Here is the counter argument, also from someone familiar with the technology:

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[Operator]

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Jay Weidner (http://jayweidner.com) wrote a stunning, detailed and incisive account of how Hollywood director Stanley Kubrick was contracted to fake the moon landing footage using then-state-of-the-art 1960s Front Screen Projection technology. He has more recently made a DVD of his presentation -- very well worth watching.

Full article archived here (and it's a fascinating read):

http://realitysandwich.com/kubrick_apollo

Note that in Richard Hoagland's Camelot interview (http://projectcamelot.org/richard_hoagland.html), Hoagland had discovered the fingerprints of exactly this Front Screen Projection technique... but while correctly finding the tell-tale clues, had misinterpreted them.

So we may conclude, also from the Space odyssey film, that the technology indeed was available.

I think this is similar to the 9/11 event ... they keep the truth seekers fighting with each other. Divide and conquer.
It is not important what or how it happened. What's most important is that the official story is a lie and it should be
a COMMON goal to confront them with that and unmask all (yes multiple) shadowy power groups.

[Vitalux]

This will always be a divided question based on ignorance, fear and blind belief.
It does not matter how much evidence is produced of how the moon landing was FAKED.
Those that wish to believe that NASA put a man on the moon in 1969, will ignore all that information and only cling to information that supports their belief.

Like Jordan Maxwell said; " People only want to hear and see, only what they want to hear and see, regardless of truth" :(

[ThePythonicCow]

Interesting. Here is the counter argument, also from someone familiar with the technology:
As you well know, the above interview of Jay Weidner, from late 2012, has been posted twice earlier on this forum, with various interesting comments:

The Continuing Search For The Truth (Helvetic; Post #848) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=585580&viewfull=1#post585580)
US 'planned to blow up moon' (i.e. detonate an A-bomb in the cold war) (T Smith; Post #18) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52419-US-planned-to-blow-up-moon--i.e.-detonate-an-A-bomb-in-the-cold-war-&p=589487&viewfull=1#post589487)

I just listened to it now (perhaps for the second time?). I thinking that Jay Weidner has nailed it. Excellent.

Thanks!

[KiwiElf]

The key point was at the end. Whether they went to the moon or faked it doesn't matter... it's just a way of distracting the would-be conspiracy theorists and having them caught in a loop of "Did they? Didn't they?" We all should be more focussed on the crap they are getting away with now, or we will be forever reacting to their plans well after the event could have been avoided.

Perhaps only the present matters.

Bang on... and another example of "absolutist thinking" - black or white, yes or no. Extremes with only two choices. The grey area in between is what we should be looking at. ;)

I believe we did go to the moon - with some "help" - confirmed by Werner Von Braun (and others). And some of it was also staged because TPTB obviously couldn't show us what was really up there (ie an ET presence).

Keep in mind that for many decades, NASA had a monopoly on the info being released, ie, we only had their word for it with little more for independent comparison.